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Not only Karabakh will be hit by the SOM-B1 missiles. Is Iskander equalized?

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While we literally stopped waiting for the continuation of the triumphal march of the Russian football team at the playoffs of the World Cup 2018, which happens for the first time in the modern world. stories Very disturbing and equally important news they began to arrive from the unpredictable South Caucasus, which approached such a military-political state, when the scales at the so-called bifurcation point begin to lean toward the chaotic escalation of political tension into another round of large-scale escalation of the conflict, which has centuries-old cultural and historical roots. We are talking about the ethnopolitical Karabakh conflict, which, with a dashing presentation of the military leadership of Azerbaijan, can be quickly transformed into another Armenian-Azerbaijani war. And this is not an exaggeration at all, after 30 of June 2018, Minister of Defense of the Azerbaijan Republic, Colonel-General Zakir Hasanov, during an official meeting with the commanders of the armed forces, said that Baku was ready to resolve the Karabakh conflict by force if the territorial dispute was not resolved by diplomatic means.

Delving into the historical facts, it can be stated that the panacea of ​​this “long-playing” conflict was not the First Congress of Armenians of Karabakh on July 22 1918, the main results of which (the proclamation of Nagorno-Karabakh as an independent state and the creation of the People’s Government) were parried through the resolution of the Plenum of Armenia The Central Committee of the Central Committee of the RCP (b) of 3 July 5 of the year (“leave the NK within the Azerbaijan SSR with the possibility of creating a wide regional autonomy”), nor the conclusion of the 1921 of May 5 of the Bishkek ceasefire agreement I, who was regularly violated by the Azerbaijani side until the “April war” of 1994.

Of course, we will not completely block one of the parties now, which means we will not deny the inhumanity shown in the decapitation of the Armenian soldier Karim Sloyan in April 2016 and the killing of three civilians in the Talish village with further mockery of their bodies, not We will deny incidents involving the destruction of Azerbaijani army units of medieval Armenian cemeteries in the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic. The atrocities and barbarism committed by the hooligan elements of the Armenian side against the Azerbaijani community from September 2010 and 17 cannot be denied: the Armenian groups dissatisfied with the decision of the session of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Socialist Republic of Armenia, negative for Yerevan, eliminated all the anger for the peaceful Azerbaijani population of the Dashtavan, Masis, Zangilar settlements, Syas, Alishi, Masis, Zangilyar, Syaz, and the peaceful Azerbaijani population of the villages of Dashtavan, Masis, Zangilar, Saz, Sis, Zangilar, Syan, Zaskulyar, Syas, the Syrian population of Dashtavan, Masis, Zangilyar, Syaz, Sisan etc., arranging their mass beatings with heavy bodily harm and destruction of property. All this has already happened and, unfortunately, it is impossible to turn back the clock. And so let's look at the real situation.

Be that as it may, the last years the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan are the main destabilizing component in this complex geostrategic pole of the Eurasian continent. What is the "April war", the active phase of which lasted almost four days (from 1 to 5 of April). There is no need to be grounded by a military-political expert to see a direct relationship between the start date of the offensive actions of the Azerbaijani army along the entire line of contact with units of the Defense Army of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic and the almost complete breakdown of diplomatic relations between Moscow and Istanbul. It is quite obvious that the Azerbaijani military leadership in this military action against Stepanakert was counting on comprehensive support from Recep Erdogan’s entourage, because the tragic incident with the interception of our Su-24M front-line bomber with AIM-9X rocket from the suspension of the Turkish F-16C Block 50 chimeters and synthesized F-XNUMXC Block XNUMX missiles and synthesized Turkish F-XNUMXC Block XNUMX missiles and synthesized by the Turkish F-XNUMXC Block XNUMX rocket and its keynotes in the Turkish F-XNUMXC rocket and its keynotes. the Turkish-Armenian and Turkish-Syrian borders have only contributed to this.

No less serious reason for Baku’s so bold behavior regarding the Karabakh issue is the recent commissioning of the Southern Gas Corridor (SGC), designed to transport gas from the Azerbaijani Shah Deniz field to the Trans-Anatolian TANAP pipeline system, through which gas will flow through Greece and Albania to Italy via the branch of the Trans-Adriatic gas pipeline and to Central Europe via the 2-th branch passing through Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary.

Considering the fact that since the beginning of 20-s through SGC, it is planned to pump up to 10 billion cubic meters of Azerbaijani gas annually to Southern, Central and Western Europe, for the European Union, Baku can turn into a kind of capacity that is even weaker than 5,5 than the “Nord Stream-2”, but still a saving straw that can at least partially support the industrial sector of the EU afloat. Such a model can be considered on the sidelines of the European Parliament in the event of an escalation of the regional military conflict between the Russian Armed Forces and NATO's allied forces in the Eastern European and Baltic theaters of military operations, when supplies of any types of energy from our country will be stopped. So we are witnessing such a painful and bold revival of the military and political ambitions of Azerbaijan towards the NKR. Despite the attempt to secure strong diplomatic support for Ankara, all that the Azerbaijani Armed Forces in the “April war” were able to snatch was only a small fragment of Artsakh’s territory. “Speaking in meters, I have to say the following: Armenian forces, which had 800 thousand hectares of territories as a security zone, lost approximately 800 hectares, which is not a thousandth part” (Serzh Sargsyan, source).

Nevertheless, the units of the Army of Azerbaijan against the background of large temporary gaps in the duty of the Armenian army on the western approaches to the villages of Areni, Chiva, Yelpin and Zangakatun managed to get an important tactical advantage in the northern part of the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic. It consists in taking under fire control of the strategically important highway Aratat - Stepanakert, through which there is a direct transport connection between Yerevan and the capital of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. Thus, the distance between the new mountain strongholds of the Azerbaijani military units and this route is from 5 to 3 kilometers. Given the complex mountainous terrain, this may not be enough for an effective fire attack through the Kornet-E anti-tank missile systems acquired by the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry in more than 100 units. more than 10 years ago, but quite enough to create an anti-tank "barrier" with the help of promising ATGM "Spike-ER". The thing is that the Kornet-E 9М133-1 anti-tank guided missiles require a direct view of the target, since they use a semi-automatic laser beam guidance system that is unable to work on objects located behind obstacles (in our case, natural terrain elements); it does not save even a decent range in 3,5 km at night and 5,5 km - in the daytime.

The Israeli Spike-ER ATGM, on which big bets were made in the Azerbaijani army, is a new-generation product using an anti-tank guided missile with a modern dual-band infrared-television IIR homing head and inertial guidance system that provides the missile with the necessary upward flight path for subsequent transfer to a dive and simultaneous search for enemy targets on the surface. The inertial navigation system of this rocket also integrates a module using a two-way secure radio channel to receive video images from the TV / IR sensors of the rocket directly to the operator’s terminal indicator in real time, as well as to correct the targeting flight path from the third-party means of optoelectronic or radio engineering / radar reconnaissance (it can include both drones and ground target designators, as well as radar artillery reconnaissance). As it is known, the Azeri air forces can use the widest list of Israeli-made UAVs: Orbiter-2M, Heron-TP, Hermes-450 / 900 for the implementation of target designation to the Spikes. Due to this, “Spike-ER” can easily hit any equipment, following in Artsakh along the Ararat-Stepanakert branch, including the one that is beyond the line of sight.


Launch of anti-tank / multipurpose missile "Spike-NLOS"


As for the even more long-range modification “Spike-NLOS” (“Non-Line Of Sight”), capable of striking enemy targets at a distance of 25 km, it also entered into service with the Azerbaijani army. Possessing all the tactical and technical advantages of the electronic “stuffing” of the Spike-ER rocket, NLOS poses a much more serious threat to the armed forces of Armenia and the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. Its use by Azerbaijani military units almost completely eliminates the need to deploy significant resources for the construction of new fortified areas in remote mountainous areas of Karabakh, since the 25 km is more than enough for fire work from already existing positions. For example, with the help of “Spike-NLOS”, the armed forces of Azerbaijan can without any difficulty open fire on any vehicles crossing the M11 highway and the Sot Pass in the direction of the NKR Martakert region; This highway is the second vital “artery” connecting Karabakh with Armenia. At the same time, the calculations of the “Spikes” do not need to approach the Sotsky pass, but it will suffice to turn south of the Azerbaijani villages of Khoshbulag or Kolla.

Among bloggers and commentators of various analytical resources of the Runet who are aware of the Karabakh conflict issues, there is a perception that the Azerbaijani Armed Forces will under no sauce attack the transport interchanges on Armenian territory until the military conflict shifts to the Azerbaijan-Armenia plane. . It would be possible to agree with this inference, if not for the latest information about the appearance of Turkish tactical long-range tactical cruise missiles SOM-B1 as part of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces. The rockets, designed by the Turkish SIC “TUBITAK SAGE”, were presented for a wide review in Baku during the last rehearsal of the military parade in honor of the 100 anniversary of the formation of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, held on 26 on June 2018.

As you understand, for the confrontation with the army of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic alone, it would be quite enough for Azerbaijan to have a mixed tank and missile artillery arsenal, represented by several dozen T-90С, 100 — 150 Т-72Б and Т-72M1 “Aslan”, 50 МN 12 "Rapier", the same "Spikes", as well as the MLRS 9K58 "Smerch" and high-precision Belarusian "Polonaise". But here we are talking about a rather long-range rocket “SOM-B1” (in a modification involving an air launch from a multipurpose fighter suspension) with an 250 km radius of action, designed to overcome enemy air defense in following the terrain of an enemy and attacking strategic objects of the enemy in the depth of the territory under his control. The range of these missiles completely covers the territory of Armenia, and therefore it is logical to assume that their mission is to carry out massive anti-radar attacks on the RPN 30H6E and low-altitude detectors 5H66М / 76N6, attached to the S-XNXR-APNC-XNIM armed with the Armenian army. It is known that the Armenian Air Force has approximately 300 C-8PT divisions with towed launchers of the 300P5-85 and C-1PS type with self-propelled 300P5С / Д.

Today, they are considered the most formidable force for Azerbaijan, as they are capable of intercepting not only Israeli drones at Baku, MiG-29 fighters and Su-25 attack aircraft, but also 300-mm T-300 “Kasirga” salvoes, which were Azerbaijan purchased more than 20 combat vehicles, as well as LORA and Polonez guided tactical missiles with an effective dispersion surface (EPR) of at least 0,1 q. m (it is known that C-300PS works on targets with EPR 0,05 sq. m). The Armenian "Three Hundreds" is also in favor of the fact that the NURSs "Kasirga", as well as the guided missiles "LORA" and "Polonaise" are distinguished by rather mediocre maneuverability (in the case of the T-300, their complete absence), which means that anti-aircraft guided missiles 5B55P can intercept them, as they are able to implement an overload in 27-30G. Today we are witnessing the active purchase of tactical missiles SOM-B1 from Turkey by Azerbaijan. These products, the hulls of which have a large number of elements made of composite and radio-absorbing materials, are distinguished by a rather low radar signature (EPR less than 0,1 square meters). The edges of the hull also contribute to a reduction in radar visibility, which form a rectangular cross section and X-shaped aerodynamic rudders in the tail section, a large angle of collapse of which makes it possible to throw most of the electromagnetic radiation from the enemy’s radar into space.


Combat vehicle MLRS T-300 "Kasirga"


Unlike the above unguided and guided missiles approaching Armenian C-300PT / PS along a ballistic trajectory, the SOM-B1 missiles, benefiting from the complex mountainous terrain of the South Caucasus, can become a surprise not only for conventional 36X6 radar radars or radars / targeting 9С18М1-3 "Dome" (included in the C-300PS and Buk-M2E), but also for target illumination radar 30H6, located on the universal 40ВХNUMXДД / ДМ. Indeed, in the areas of mountain ranges and elevations, even these towers “do not make the weather” to increase the radio horizon. Moreover, the use of passive guidance methods in the SOM rockets (inertial navigation system with GPS correction, terrain Reference Navigation Correlation Module, the optical-electronic correlation module “Image Based Navigation”, as well as the infrared IIR sensor) eliminates the possibility of direction finding of these missiles with the help of electronic and electronic intelligence equipment. As you see, one can cite a lot of arguments in favor of the fact that Baku is preparing an escalation scenario of seizing the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic using high-precision SOM-B6 cruise missiles purchased from the Turkish company Roketsan.

Nevertheless, the issue with the air carrier for tactical missiles “SOM-B1” in the Azerbaijani Air Force remains unexplained, since the republic’s aircraft depot includes outdated (in terms of avionics) front-line MiG-XNUMHA / UB fighters, interceptors / reconnaissance aircraft MiG-29PD / RB bombers, Su-25 attack aircraft (including combat training Su-25UB), as well as combat training aircraft M-25 "Aermacchi". The above-mentioned Russian cars are not equipped with the multiplex channel of the intermodular information exchange MIL-STD-346B, and therefore the integration of SOM missiles into their ammunition will not be possible until the above multiplex data bus is received. The scientific and technical base of Azerbaijan does not allow this to be done, and therefore it can be assumed that the relevant work will be performed by specialists of the Israeli concern Israel Aerospace Industries. The only air carriers of the “Somov” in the Azerbaijani Air Force can be Italian combat training aircraft M-1553, which are analogs of the Russian Yak-346 and equipped with the most modern radio electronic “stuffing”, including the standard MIL-STD-130B, especially since their combat load reaches up to 1553 kg. Obviously, rockets weighing 3000 kg will be placed on the root underwing nodes of the suspension, which will create a minimum load on the power elements of the M-591 wing, because initially this aircraft is not intended for the use of such massive weapons.


Tactical long-range missile "SOM-B1", entered service with the Azerbaijani Armed Forces


As we can see, Baku is very thoroughly working out the whole range of technical and tactical issues related to the destruction of Armenia’s air defenses in the very first day after the start of a military resolution of the Karabakh conflict, and therefore it’s time to think about the earliest possible update of the air defense component of the Armenian army on collective security (CSTO). In particular, Yerevan needs a couple-three dozen self-propelled “Tor-M2” air defense missile systems and an “Armor C1” air defense missile system, which would reliably protect all the most important military facilities from Azerbaijani “SOM-B1” suddenly departing from the mountain folds of the South Caucasus . The supply of C-300PMU-2 “Favorite” divisions, which could destroy even smaller targets with the ENF 0,02 square, would not hurt. m, because Azerbaijan every year more and more rattles the hodgepodge of various western, Israeli and Belarusian precision weaponsas well as compact UAVs, the hulls of which are made of composite materials with minimal reflectivity.

It is also necessary to consider the issue of creating an even more reliable “anti-missile umbrella” over the joint-based “Erebuni” airfield, on which the 3624 air base of the Russian Aerospace Forces is deployed: in the region of Avb, a mixed anti-aircraft missile brigade is required as part of the C-300ВХNUMX divisions equipped new missiles with an active homing system 4М9МВ, as well as C-82 “Triumph” battalions with similarly designed 400Н40 missiles (they will be able to intercept attacking Azerbaijani cruise missiles beyond mi radio horizon). Of course, the implementation of this countermeasure will not be without the involvement of at least one aircraft of the radar patrol and A-6U guidance, because the terrain features dictate their own rules. Leaving such an explosive situation without a military response from the CSTO, which could involve both Karabakh and all of Armenia in the war, would be extremely wrong.

As for the individual response of Yerevan in the case of Azerbaijani aggression, the Iskander-M operational tactical missile systems 9K720, equipped with 9X723-1 operational tactical ballistic missiles, will undoubtedly play a special role. As it is known, just a few months after the end of the active phase of hostilities in the “April war” 2016, Armenia purchased from Russia one division (2 batteries) Iskander-M in the number of 4 self-propelled launchers (SPU) 9П78-1 (with 8 missiles ready for launch), 4Т9 transport-charging machines (TZM), command-staff and auxiliary machines. It would seem that the amount is ridiculous against the two ZRDN S-250PMU-300 Favorit, one division of the Barak-2 air defense system, as well as against the 8 launchers of the Iron Dome complex, purchased in Israel. At the resource “Inosmi.ru” you can even find an article “How Azerbaijan will shoot down Armenian Iskanders,” where journalists from haqqin.az based on a conversation with an expert from the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Andrei Frolov praising the possibilities of the Israeli Iron Dome complex, supposedly capable destroy tactical ballistic missiles 4М9-723.

If you look at this question from a purely technical point of view, neither C-300PMU-2 Favorit, nor Barak-8, nor Iron Dome will be able to cope with this task: the probability of successful destruction of the Iskander-M missile on the marching and final sections of the trajectory does not exceed 0,1 — 0,15. Unlike operational tactical missiles “LORA” and “Polonaise”, which are not distinguished by the ability to perform energetic and intensive anti-aircraft maneuvers on the trajectory, 9МXNNXX-723 missiles equipped with aerodynamic rudders, gas-jet thrust vector deflection systems and dual units of maneuvering body patterns and dual-generation maneuvering patterns and air rims, and dual-generation maneuvering patterns and air patterns and dual-generation maneuvering patterns and air rims and dual air-force deflection patterns and dual-generation maneuvering patterns and airplanes. anti-missile maneuvers with overloads in 1 units This requires anti-missiles, firstly, maneuvering with 30 — 70 overload units, and secondly, the presence of PIF-PAF type gas-dynamic transverse-control (DPU) engines, which allow to go to critical overloads not for tenths, but for hundredths of a second. That is, in addition to the traditional smooth increase in the angular velocity of the turn due to the planes, the rocket will be able to make lightning throws in the direction of the Iskander-M maneuvering missile.

The Tamir anti-missiles of the Iron Dome complex, as well as the Barak-8 and 48H6Е2 anti-aircraft missiles, are not equipped with such control systems and can "squeeze" overloads from 30 to 50-60G from themselves. Consequently, the Armenian armed forces should not be puzzled over the interception of the Iskander-M systems by the air defense systems used by the Azerbaijani army. The reciprocal attack of 9М723-1 ballistic missiles on the shelling from Baku, without any doubt, will give an excellent result and make such hot heads think about Azerbaijan’s Defense Minister Zakir Hasanov with his aggressive statements. The only missile defense systems capable of questioning the 100's effectiveness of the Iskanders are the French SAMP-T (using Aster-30 missiles equipped with transverse control engines), Patriot PAC-3 missiles (with MIM missiles -104F MSE), as well as domestic C-400 Triumph and C-350 Vityaz (using 9М96ДМ interceptors); but they should not be expected in the arsenal of Azerbaijani air defense forces in the foreseeable future.

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https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3248946.html
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/spike-nlos/spike-nlos.shtml
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/spike-er/spike-er.shtml
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  1. Vard
    Vard 6 July 2018 05: 59
    12
    It’s like Armenia itself goes into a hunting pit ... Biting its hands who are trying to stop it ...
    1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
      Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 15: 52
      +7
      Quote: Vard
      It’s like Armenia itself goes into a trap hole.

      Thanks to such predictors as you. Armenia has been going into a pit for several thousand years, but due to its peacefulness it gives way to the one who dug this very hole.
    2. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
      Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 15: 58
      +3
      Quote: Vard
      Biting the hands that are trying to stop her ...

      Actually, those who are trying to “Stop” us (!), We chop off! Biting, scratching, moaning, lamenting? At, not for us! Refer with your warnings to your strategic "ally" in the South Caucasus. Although he listens vryatli. The social and political situation in the Khanate reaches a boiling point.
      1. megavolt823
        megavolt823 6 July 2018 17: 33
        +5
        Vladimir Ter-Odiyants! Dear! you are told that a lot has been done by Armenia towards the abyss. And you are like a crazy crest (Moskalyak to somewhere out there). When it gets hot, it's late. You can blame anyone, even me. Azerbaijan for Russia is a former territory. With a different story. Russia is trying to maintain relations with all the former republics.
        Actually, those who are trying to “Stop” us (!), We chop off!
        Who are you ?????? what can you ?????? you are geographically cut off from Russia. Your politicians are doing (Step By Step) cutting you off and geopolitically. And the behavior of Armenia is very brave. But many do not share such your confidence. Azerbaijan is patronized by many countries out of their interests. And you are moving towards the abyss. There is no one here, no jokes, hatred, humor is not appropriate. hi
        1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
          Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 18: 37
          +3
          Quote: megavolt823
          they say that a lot has been done on the part of Armenia

          Vladislav! Dear! If I listened to everything that “well-wishers" echoed to me, then I probably would have appeared in your place!
          Quote: megavolt823
          Are you like a crazy crest

          You won’t believe it. I have a rich life experience. In life, I have seen and experienced a lot. I had to fight, to be a witness to the collapse of the Great Country. I used to come across such prophecies as yours. And where are they now? And here we are! What are there! Thus God created us! And we are those who are! We are not fighting for Life. And to the destruction of the Enemies. We enter the Glorious Pages of Armenia, with the blood of enemies. And now, for my not-so-small Years, I have never once seen a "crazy" person, especially since you deigned to write a "crest"!
          Quote: megavolt823
          When it gets hot, it's late.

          To the Armenians! It is typical to live in the "hot" climatic zones of Armenia.
          Quote: megavolt823
          It will be late

          Do not be so kind as worried about the "well-wisher" of the Armenians. The Armenians have seen a lot in their lifetime. Including the "apocalyptic" forecasts like yours. But where are all those who predicted universal punishment and punishment for the Armenians? Right Vladislav! At the junkyard of History! I have sunk into oblivion. I think you do not need to list how many Empires "failed" in the Other World, Armenia!
          Quote: megavolt823
          You can blame anyone, even me

          Have mercy Dear, and you for what? For a couple of three phobic phrases? Let it be known to you, dear Sir. Did the Armenians pay attention to all the accusations against You? That land would have spread out and to all the "well-wishers" of Armenia, would have landed in the Fiery Hyena!
          Quote: megavolt823
          Azerbaijan for Russia is a former territory

          NOT HIGH, do you have an opinion about your strategic "partner" with the South Caucasus ?!
          Quote: megavolt823
          Who are you ?????? what can you ??????

          Glory to the Almighty Creator !!! I am what I am! And I don’t need another! With the help of God's Will, can we, if the Lord God permit? Still !
          Quote: megavolt823
          you are geographically cut off from Russia

          So what? Isn’t the many-thousand-year-old creation for the benefit of Peace and Progress, the Armenians have not proved like you. The very right to life in the midst of the Blood-greedy Environment ?????
          Quote: megavolt823
          . But many do not share such your confidence

          With All Existing Respect as it is. I take it to you! But (!) Somehow your "news" did not impress about the doubts of some members of the forum regarding my CONFIDENCE!
          Quote: megavolt823
          Azerbaijan is patronized by many countries out of their interests

          Take a word! The peoples of Azerbaijan are creative, fruitful, cheerful! And it does not matter to the Azerbaijanis that the current bankrupts in power have brought the Great Peoples and the People of Azerbaijan to their present deplorable state. Even such "analysts" state this sad fact.
          Quote: megavolt823
          And you are moving to the abyss

          Be nice with the phraseological turn. And then, my knowledge of the Great and the Mighty can not cope.
          1. Tengri Warrior
            Tengri Warrior 13 July 2018 12: 45
            +2
            And it does not matter to the Azerbaijanis that the current bankrupt in power has brought the Great Peoples and the People of Azerbaijan to their present deplorable state.

            laughing You, that is, the Armenians, can you at least temporarily not prove your clowning in the billionth circle?
            Azerbaijan? Deplorable state? And does that say an Armenian? laughing Will you show on the fingers all the horrors and realities of the state of Armenia, or will you guess it yourself? laughing
        2. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
          Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 18: 44
          +1
          Quote: megavolt823
          Here, no one is no one, jokes, hatred, humor is not appropriate

          And here it is, from an unidentified area. Have you deigned to unsubscribe? what
        3. Yujanin
          Yujanin 6 July 2018 21: 28
          +4
          you are told that a lot has been done by Armenia towards the abyss. And you are like a crazy crest (Moskalyak to somewhere out there). When it gets hot, it's late.

          And you are moving towards the abyss. There is no one here, no jokes, hatred, humor is not appropriate.

          Useless. Here only surgical intervention will help.
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        4. aws4
          aws4 7 July 2018 17: 09
          0
          I repeat more races now to you .. there is no such Armenian name - Ter-Odiyants .. this is a provocateur !!!!
    3. Yujanin
      Yujanin 6 July 2018 20: 58
      +3
      It’s like Armenia itself goes into a hunting pit ... Biting its hands who are trying to stop it ...

      They are explaining everything to the Armenians in plain text, but they are in no way .....
      1. Opera
        Opera 6 July 2018 23: 05
        +3
        It could be assumed that this gentleman above, who Ter-Odiyants is simply a short-sighted person in the sense of not owning a situation, naturally thinks to observe the “victorious procession” of the Armenian army from afar under what flag it is ... However, something similar is heard from representatives of this people often! Such bravado that you can really think that it was they alone who triumphantly fought back their entire history from evil neighbors! What I do not know? Maybe complete amnesia of historical memory? Perhaps suppression by not very good traits of a national character (which all peoples have) of all the others, including the instinct of self-preservation? Honestly, I don’t want to understand. Rocking the situation inside the country in such an environment is suicide! Perhaps they are hoping for new American brothers in the mind of the newly acquired? Well, the story of the no less proud and arrogant Georgian people knows examples! Perhaps they are sure that the Russian guys in an extreme case will arrange another heroic Bayazet? And why should our guys die for forgive the stupid Armenian happiness in which they insistently get on their ears ?! Why is the exact same stupid Azerbaijani happiness worse than Armenian ?! And what actually do I want to ask all this business ?! For peaceful development on their poor land, Armenians do not need rockets, believe me! The only thing they just need is a grateful historical memory, that's it! And they can shove their ambition sooooo deep and far and measure it exclusively among themselves in what they are masters of extra class!
        1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
          Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 7 July 2018 00: 03
          +1
          Quote: Oper
          One could assume that this gentleman is above, who is Ter-Odiyants

          Well Duc, a priori who is Higher than you is Mr. Gasp! You yourself deigned to be in a hole. Confuse, however! I just checked this fact! Henceforth, be careful.
          Quote: Oper
          thinking to watch the "victorious procession" of the Armenian army from afar

          Well why? I very creatively "observed" in the 2nd liberation campaign of the NKR! I will not rant, see useful! But my actions can be compared to Brandenburg-800 on a much smaller scale. In the Ardennes at the end of the war. The fact is that I know the Turkic languages ​​without false modesty, Azerbaijanis will not let me lie. That's the conclusion! Our Turkic neighbors are so impressionable fellow ! That panic easily gives in. Here and think, what a scope for people like me! When you “work”, on the enemy’s logistics. wink , communications.
          Quote: Oper
          Such bravado that you can really think that it was they alone who triumphantly fought back their entire history from evil neighbors!

          The one that Oper! When Armenia wrote the history of the Great People with the blood of its enemies! Many countries, kingdoms, principalities wink ! There wasn’t a trace!
          Quote: Oper
          What is it I do not know

          From that and your resume. No one is perfect.
          Quote: Oper
          Perhaps they are sure that the Russian guys in an extreme case will arrange another heroic Bayazet?

          Oh, you wouldn’t touch the brave guys. And then there are all kinds of associations like “IhThereNo”, but they’re a rod as an argument.
          Quote: Oper
          forgive the stupid Armenian happiness

          I do not forgive! You would worry about yours! You have it unenviable in the context of recent events ..., mmm, for example, with pension reform.
          Quote: Oper
          Armenians do not need rockets, believe me!

          Believe your phobic conclusions? At least they will doubt themselves.
          Quote: Oper
          And they can shove their ambition sooooo deep

          With respect! But judging by your hmmm conclusions, have you had any experience in the past ?!
        2. Yujanin
          Yujanin 7 July 2018 02: 40
          +1
          The only thing they just need is a grateful historical memory, that's it!

          Over time, thank you. You can not even doubt it. History has already seen cases.
      2. Bo Yari
        Bo Yari 7 July 2018 07: 06
        +1
        he is just a rascal
      3. aws4
        aws4 7 July 2018 17: 44
        0
        Shevchenko listened attentively and I’m not bad at all, but it was just blah blah blah ... an adult intelligent person who believes that he is well versed in international issues and knows the mentality of these nations, he says such nonsense ... imagine for a moment the region where the Armenians were returned or to Azerbaijanis or vice versa ... well, they won’t get along together against this hatred of each other .. more than a dozen years will pass until the bulk of these peoples forgive the shed blood .. alas, these are not Slavs, these are Caucasians ... and even after a while there is no guarantee that they will get along .. the question is that no one benefits from peace between Armenia and Azerbaijan ... 1 it is not beneficial to the leadership of these countries themselves .. when there is a worst enemy and not somewhere, and at your gate under your door it’s very easy to control and dump problems on the current situation and stay in power ... 2 the world is not beneficial for other players of the USA, Turkey, Iran and even Russia .. you can always use the contradictions to your advantage and in your interests more to annoy the third countries with the participants in this game .. it would seem that Russia, Turkey, the USA, Iran can’t force these two countries to sign a peace and not claim on each other’s territories? just take it together to study the issue and decide to whom which lands will be left and then put it before the fact, and those who do not sign it will crush economically first, since leverage of pressure on these countries is a dime a dozen, Russia alone can inflict devastating damage on the economies of both countries and if all at the same time, there’s nothing to talk about .. and if it doesn’t work (which, in principle, from a number of fiction) then the military .. but no, no one needs peace in the Transcaucasus and the peoples of these countries are not only hostages of their hatred for each other but primarily hostages of their governments and the governments of third countries of the players of Russia, the USA, Turkey, Iran, Europe, etc.
        1. Dry
          Dry 9 July 2018 11: 21
          +1
          Quote: aws4
          the question is that no one benefits from peace between Armenia and Azerbaijan ...

          Quote: aws4
          and primarily the hostages of their governments and the governments of third countries of the players of Russia, the USA, Turkey, Iran, Europe, etc.

          Totally agree with you.
          1. aws4
            aws4 9 July 2018 16: 24
            0
            thanks Artak obviously you are one of not many who understand me.
    4. Borders
      Borders 12 July 2018 17: 22
      0
      Who is trying to "save" her? Aren't those who organized Operation Ring in 1991?
  2. Fungus
    Fungus 6 July 2018 06: 19
    +6
    The forces are not at all equal. Not in favor of Armenia. There is no need to start a war. It will be bad for everyone. So you need to live in peace and tranquility.
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 6 July 2018 13: 27
      +5
      I agree with you, not in favor of Armenia! Azerbaijan is stronger militarily + Turkey and Karabakh will go over to Azerbaijan, a matter of time (+ will help US instability)
      1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
        Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 16: 13
        +2
        Quote: Siberia 9444
        Turkey and Karabakh will move to Azerbaijan

        From your post, even in the most fantastically brave heads of the unsurpassed Military Thought of Azerbaijan. Do not dare to dream of "such" territorial acquisitions. Alexander! Feel seismic activity on the Site? Anto all you !!! I see all righteous anger falling upon you laughing Demos.
    2. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
      Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 16: 06
      +4
      Quote: Fungus
      The forces are not at all equal. Not in favor of Armenia.

      God is with us! In Syria, too, the forces seem to be unequal. Having on its side such an Ally as the Russian Air Force, as well as operational tactical groups of the MTR. And also the “meat” from Iran, the Assad regime juggles on the border of the abyss to maintain its rule. But ( !) People, Karl! (figure of speech). Well, he doesn’t want to step into the "bright" future with the current ruler. Here and draw a conclusion.
      1. NKT
        NKT 6 July 2018 20: 48
        +4
        And the people of Libya and Iraq, “having replaced the rulers” are already enjoying their bright future with might and main.
      2. Lekxnumx
        Lekxnumx 7 July 2018 03: 26
        +2
        Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
        God is with us!

        I mean, NOBODY. As it was said in the famous comedy, I will rephrase "While spaceships plow the expanses of space" to trust in God? 21 in the yard comrade.
        Judging by your own history before the adoption of Christianity, they also didn’t feel so rude. So what kind of god is it with you? Near-Eastern Christian, or Armenian pagan and so on on the list, there were many gods in history.
        The “empires have sunk” so beautifully described above, “and we live”, of course, the comparison is so-so, given that the size of present-day Armenia is smaller than the Jewish Autonomous Region of Russia.
        Compared to you, any region of Russia, even some cities of the empire. Less pathos less pathos comrade peacock.
        1. Karenius
          Karenius 8 July 2018 18: 01
          +1
          Lek, as the song of our fellow-brother Vyacheslav Dobrynin sings, "... do not pour salt on the wounds" ... The imposition of the Christian religion by Middle Eastern extremists in Armenia (this was somewhere in 312/313, as our historians wrote) broke the the backbone of Armenian statehood ... That is why after half a century we were able to be divided among themselves by Romans and Persians. Of the systemic destructive acts of adherents of the Christian religion, it should be noted the destruction of our pagan temples at the root and the arson of all available literature in Armenian (and so they worked everywhere ... you can recall the fire in the Alexandria Library as an example) ... Nobody says that Mesrop Mashtots created the Armenian alphabet ... he restored what we wrote before the atrocities of the Christian annihilators ... what he brought to this, I don’t know, I’ll ask the pros somehow.
          And with what gods we will survive in the next war, I know ... Some under the banner of Christ, some under the banners of our pagan gods, others under the banner of Tsekhakron.
          1. Lekxnumx
            Lekxnumx 8 July 2018 18: 07
            0
            Quote: Karenius
            on which we wrote before the atrocities of the Christian annihilators ... what he brought to this, I don’t know, I’ll ask the pros somehow.

            He put a plus, even though someone in our century knows how the religions of Christianity, Islam came to the Caucasus. And they came with a sword, they were imposed, but the current slow-thinking people describe it as something "saving."
            1. Karenius
              Karenius 8 July 2018 18: 29
              0
              Quote: Lek3338
              how came the religion of Christianity, Islam in the Caucasus.

              I already somehow emphasized ... If our ancestors in 622. would not stand aside during the Byzantine-Persian massacre (and co-religionists hoped for our help to them), and shoulder to shoulder stood next to the Persians, then perhaps they would have won; and there wouldn’t be a massacre of ours by the Khazars as brothers of the neighbors of the Caucasian Albans, after which they disappeared among others, and, most importantly, a decade later, a quartet of Persians and three South Caucasian peoples could possibly repel a derogatory blow from Arabia. And then there would be no Seljuks and Timur, who, in order to cross the Derbent river, ordered to cut out all the locals and throw them into the river ...
              ... One mistake of our ancestors ...
          2. Tengri Warrior
            Tengri Warrior 13 July 2018 12: 54
            +1
            Cehacron


            That is, the Armenian Mine Kampf?
      3. Siberia 9444
        Siberia 9444 10 July 2018 15: 37
        +1
        Good comments laughing Vladimir Ter-Odiyants God be with them! This is + and you are sure that there will be a VKS or MTR fellow Why should Russia climb into this rams request And why should a Russian die for these or these.
        1. Borders
          Borders 12 July 2018 17: 24
          0
          Are the Armenians asking to die for them? IMHO, they themselves somehow somehow resolved all the current issues in the NK (the liberation of Shuushi and Martakert) and around it (Karvachar, Berdzor)
  3. Snail N9
    Snail N9 6 July 2018 06: 47
    +4
    It is strange why this problem lasts so many years, because its solutions were proposed: 1- transfer of Karabakh to one of the parties, with an equivalent exchange for the territory of the other side, 2-giving Karabakh "special status" and the creation of joint management of the two sides, 2-management under UN auspices .... Why do not even one of these options, except the military side, consider what is in the way?
    1. For example
      For example 6 July 2018 09: 11
      10
      Quote: Snail N9
      Strange ... because its solutions were proposed:
      .... don't even consider what gets in the way?

      Just imagine your wife instead of Karabakh. Put yourself on one side of the "conflict" and the other neighbor.
      And now apply all three of your "decisions."
      Arranges? wink
      1. MPN
        MPN 6 July 2018 13: 27
        +3
        Quote: For example
        And now apply all three of your "decisions."
        Arranges?

        1 - transfer of Karabakh to one of the parties, with an equivalent exchange to the territory of the other side,
        Only this, but here it is necessary to look at the goods face ... lol
        1. For example
          For example 6 July 2018 14: 51
          +4
          I wrote about my wife. Are you ready to give her away?
          And if we talk about Karabakh, then politicians offering this are just ghouls, scumbags. After all, PEOPLE live in these territories! This is their land. That's the thing.
          1. MPN
            MPN 6 July 2018 14: 59
            +2
            Quote: For example
            I wrote about my wife. Are you ready to give her away?

            I tried to amuse, but it didn’t work out very well. repeat
          2. Tengri Warrior
            Tengri Warrior 13 July 2018 13: 04
            0
            PEOPLE live in these territories

            But nothing that these "people" drove other people from their lands, thereby trampling their rights?
            This is their land.

            Show me at least one international legal document that confirms this stupidity. Armenian fairy tales do not count!
      2. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
        Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 16: 18
        +3
        Quote: For example
        Just imagine your wife instead of Karabakh.

        With all due respect. But in my opinion, you went through a comparison! Well, if so ?! That is by all means, up to the Balzac age, and the basic component, intelligence. Although it would be in its infancy. wink
      3. Sergey-8848
        Sergey-8848 10 July 2018 01: 38
        0
        The main symbol (the same mountain) is in Turkey. No one bothers anyone and does not forbid her to consider her own.
        Trying to hide behind the CSTO, only because once they had signed something, is not serious. Moreover, for some reason all the signatories were caught up in the spring. And while no one has seriously talked with the new government yet.
        1. Tengri Warrior
          Tengri Warrior 13 July 2018 13: 11
          +1
          Try to hide behind the CSTO

          And this is at their genetic level ....... cuckoo hiding behind someone. History has proven this many times.
    2. BAI
      BAI 6 July 2018 15: 25
      +1
      There is another option - the neutral status of an independent state for Karabakh.
      1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
        Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 16: 20
        +2
        Quote: BAI
        status of an independent state for Karabakh.

        Well, this should be a starting point in future negotiations.
    3. NG inform
      NG inform 6 July 2018 17: 24
      -2
      Ethnic, religious, civilizational, evolutionary conflict. A unique region - in these territories, in their fertile parts, the maximum population density was reached thousands of years ago and has since changed very little! Those. for a thousand years, no matter how many people multiplied, they died exactly the same. One stereotype is formed: die, but not a step back, die, but grab a hundred. Those who did not follow this stereotype simply dropped out, no one was left. Therefore, there is no way to find a compromise, only pressure - you need to burn excess human resources. If you grab from a neighbor at least 0.1% of the territory, it means you will increase your strength by 0.1% and it will become 0.2% easier to crush a neighbor. Put 100000 people? It doesn’t matter, there are few places who want to give birth to new ones - a lot, the main thing is that there is where to give birth.
      The only solution is a rigid roof, which was RI and the USSR.
      1. mgero
        mgero 7 July 2018 01: 00
        -1
        K sajaleniyu shas krisha diryavaya! Esli mojete snachala U vas "v istoricheskix" zemlyax skajem Navarosiyu, Odessu krishuete posmotrim kakaya krisha, mojet tagda zaydem pod krishu.
      2. Borders
        Borders 12 July 2018 17: 21
        0
        Erdogan justifies this and justifies the capture of the northern part of Cyprus ...
  4. Daniel
    Daniel 6 July 2018 07: 27
    +2
    25, but also 300-mm rockets of the T-300 Kasirga multiple rocket launcher system, which were purchased by Azerbaijan in the amount of more than 20 combat vehicles, as well as LORA and Polonaise guided tactical missiles, which have an effective dispersion surface (EPR) not less than 0,1 sq. m
    Something can not be believed polonaise speed 4,5-5 Mach flies to the target vertically still in flight maneuvers
    1. Yujanin
      Yujanin 6 July 2018 14: 07
      +6
      Azerbaijan’s relations with Israel resemble an iceberg, since “nine-tenths of these relations are hidden under the surface of the water.” I. Aliev.
      Greetings Daniel! Have something to share?)
      1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
        Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 16: 21
        +3
        Quote: Yujanin
        Have something to share?)

        Money in the morning! Chairs in the evening! Tilki like that!
        1. Yujanin
          Yujanin 6 July 2018 21: 32
          +7
          Money in the morning! Chairs in the evening! Tilki like that!

          What side did you squeeze into? Leasing and grants department a floor below. laughing
          1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
            Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 23: 17
            0
            Quote: Yujanin
            What side did you squeeze into?

            By the right given to Me by the Lord God!
            Quote: Yujanin
            Leasing and grants department a floor below.

            Ouch! And I thought the recovery department of the Min.Fin of Azerbaijan, as a Winner!
            1. Yujanin
              Yujanin 7 July 2018 01: 43
              +3
              By the right given to Me by the Lord God!

              You can watch, but do not touch your hands laughing
        2. Tengri Warrior
          Tengri Warrior 13 July 2018 13: 43
          0
          Have you already repaid the multimillion-dollar debts (in which you are drowning) to the Russian state, or is it verbally written about finances? lol
  5. Daniel
    Daniel 6 July 2018 07: 33
    +1
    Evgeny Damantsev-And where did you get the data that Polonaise is quite mediocre maneuverable? Belarusians on the contrary say a hundred missiles maneuver the developer himself says who tested these missiles in China means he knows what he says
  6. ZVO
    ZVO 6 July 2018 07: 47
    +3
    Every year Azerbaijan rattles its hodgepodge from various Western, Israeli and Belarusian high-precision weapons more and more


    And on 2 photos from the 3 presented - why the Russian military automobile platforms .... Fresh. those. produced in Russia. not inheritance (as some might try to explain) ...

    Those. what is it?
    And both?
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 6 July 2018 09: 07
      +8
      Quote: ZVO
      Those. what is it?
      And both?

      I suspect one for the money - the other for free
      1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
        Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 16: 24
        +1
        Quote: Winnie76
        I suspect one for the money - the other for free

        It remains the case for small. Guess once, which side for the money and who for the "crane in the sky"? winked
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 6 July 2018 10: 56
      +2
      Quote: ZVO
      why russian military car platforms

      Are you sure that they are not Kazakh? Azerbaijan used to buy from them, as far as I know.
      1. ZVO
        ZVO 6 July 2018 11: 20
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: ZVO
        why russian military car platforms

        Are you sure that they are not Kazakh? Azerbaijan used to buy from them, as far as I know.


        4-axle Kamaz, the same as used on the Shell ...
        Kazakhs?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 6 July 2018 11: 52
          +6
          Quote: ZVO
          4-axle Kamaz, the same as used on the Shell ...

          I apologize, but the four-axle KAMAZs were the first to use the Kazakhs for military purposes, for the joint development with the Israelis for the MLRS.
          And they are produced in Kokshetau
          1. ZVO
            ZVO 6 July 2018 12: 15
            0
            Quote: Spade
            Quote: ZVO
            4-axle Kamaz, the same as used on the Shell ...

            I apologize, but the four-axle KAMAZs were the first to use the Kazakhs for military purposes, for the joint development with the Israelis for the MLRS.
            And they are produced in Kokshetau


            You surprised me....
      2. KURT330
        KURT330 6 July 2018 14: 35
        +1
        Nope, Russian! And what's so extraordinary? Maybe even our T-90 Chinese, S-300 Favorite, Malaysian, BMP-3 Taiwanese, etc.?))) So everything here is Russian. Buy and sell and go))
  7. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 6 July 2018 08: 33
    +1
    Quote: ZVO
    And both?

    And do not be surprised! Money doesn't smell. This is for us from all screens - hurray, hurray! And at the same time, the supply of APU with spare parts from Russia is in full swing ... And sewn-covered.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 6 July 2018 10: 52
      +7
      Quote: kunstkammer
      Money does not smell.

      But they smell like “allies”, who constantly have to “hint” that alliance is a two-way street.
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 6 July 2018 09: 05
    +2
    On June 30, 2018, the Minister of Defense of the Republic of Azerbaijan, Colonel-General Zakir Hasanov, during a meeting with the commanders of the armed forces, announced Baku’s readiness for a military solution to the Karabakh conflict if the territorial dispute is not resolved through diplomatic means.
    .... That is, it will not be regulated through diplomatic means .... And if it does, it is only as Azerbaijan wants ....
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 6 July 2018 10: 53
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      That is, it will not be regulated through diplomatic means ....

      And how many years has it been “diplomatically settled”? And nothing has changed.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 6 July 2018 11: 15
        +4
        But it, in fact, cannot be settled, only frozen ...
    2. KURT330
      KURT330 6 July 2018 14: 41
      +2
      .... as it requires justice and 4 UN resolutions!
      1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
        Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 23: 22
        +2
        Quote: KURT330
        as it requires justice and 4 UN resolutions!

        Substitute concepts! Not in one of the 4 NKR resolutions, just as Armenia is not indicated as an aggressor! It says in black and white: Among other things, the Right of Nations to Self-Determination :! What is not clear?
    3. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
      Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 16: 27
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      , only as Azerbaijan wants ....

      And Azerbaijan accepts only the only decision from Baku’s view. The annexation of the entire South Caucasus!
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 6 July 2018 17: 01
        +2
        Another false statement.
        1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
          Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 23: 23
          +1
          Quote: Bakht
          Another false statement

          Still need to look, from whose point of view
          Quote: Bakht
          false statement

          ?
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 6 July 2018 23: 35
            +3
            "Annexation of the entire South Caucasus." An absolute lie. You medal named after Dr. Goebbels
  9. wooja
    wooja 6 July 2018 09: 11
    +4
    The Armenians themselves choose their fate, it's not about the rockets ....
  10. Bakht
    Bakht 6 July 2018 09: 40
    +9
    As always, TTX replaced a reasonable analysis. I don’t even want to discuss the article, because with a naked eye you can see the biased nature of the selection of factual material. The presentation style also shows a one-sided view of the author.
    A political solution to the conflict is possible with a reasonable policy of Armenia. Since this is unrealistic, there will be no political solution.
    And do not attract external forces by the ears. This is a territorial conflict unleashed by Armenia and Azerbaijan is in the position of a defending side. Aggressor in Yerevan. When the author understands this, then something can be discussed.
    1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
      Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 16: 48
      +2
      Quote: Bakht
      I don’t even want to discuss the article, because bias is visible with the naked eye

      Well, of course, in your opinion, if the article reveals the aggressive plans of the power. The elite of Azerbaijan, then it is tendentious and angered.
      Quote: Bakht
      A political solution to the conflict is possible with a reasonable policy of Armenia. Since this is unrealistic, there will be no political solution.

      Your way out! Armenia and NKR must cease to exist as States! But at the same time, and even very desirable for a certain part of the establishment of the hands of Azerbaijan and the Armenian People ?!
      Quote: Bakht
      And do not attract external forces by the ears.

      And they do not need to be attracted to parts of the body. They are there!
      Quote: Bakht
      . This is a territorial conflict unleashed by Armenia and Azerbaijan is in the position of a defending side.

      Substitution of concepts, therefore, you deliberately introduce the Site Audience into a false perception of Reality. And the reality is this! NKR people! Fell on the National Liberation struggle against the dominance of aliens!
      Quote: Bakht
      Aggressor in Yerevan. When the author understands this, then something can be discussed.

      Well, with this categorical statement you had to start! Otherwise, you cannot! The current elite of Azerbaijan does not accept in principle!, An alternative to the solution of its Aggression! From this and all your "militancy." A large-scale round of the "hot" phase at the moment, as well as in the short term, is unlikely. If only the socio-political situation in Azerbaijan does not get out of the control of the Government. And so only blood-pralitic for Az. Army "victorious" relations. And only!
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 6 July 2018 16: 57
        +3
        I have already said that there is nothing to discuss here. Your position is understandable and it is ABSOLUTELY not true. One thesis "the people of NKR" shows your bestial xenophobia.
        According to the letter of L. Ter-Petrosyan, the UN says that 45 thousand Azerbaijanis lived in the NKR. They are not the "people of the NKR"?
        1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
          Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 23: 31
          0
          Quote: Bakht
          One thesis "NKR people" shows your bestial xenophobia

          And what "animal", you saw?
          Quote: Bakht
          According to the letter of L. Ter-Petrosyan, the UN says that 45 thousand Azerbaijanis lived in the NKR.

          And what's so strange? Over 300 thousand Armenians lived in Azerbaijan! How to deal with such a fact! By the way, this fact, it’s impossible to interpret, following the sequence of your logic. How ethnic cleansing borders on the Genocide! I think! Almost sure! Not far off iski on the events in Sumgait and Baku. From the side exposed Genocide!
        2. Borders
          Borders 12 July 2018 17: 04
          0
          In total, about 150-160 thousand of the population lived in NKR. If "..in NKR lived 45 thousand Azerbaijanis ...", then who are the remaining? And are these "remaining" also the "people of the NKR"?
  11. Vadim237
    Vadim237 6 July 2018 10: 46
    +6
    But shock drones of the kamikaze of Azerbaijan can easily incapacitate the Iskanders of Armenia.
    1. Yujanin
      Yujanin 6 July 2018 14: 20
      +5
      All right! The Armed Forces of the AR keep enemy territory under constant control. The movement of all means is also monitored, and information about any routes is automatically transmitted to the command post.

      Khojaly (Stepanakert) airport



      1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
        Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 16: 57
        +2
        Quote: Yujanin

        All right! The Armed Forces of the AR keep enemy territory under constant control.

        Rather it was to write like that! The Israeli operator-instructors, the UAV UAV, following the hawks of the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense are preparing to inflict a Cunning Strike on the air harbor of the Sovereign State. 24 years ago, having succumbed to the open pressure of the "Great Powers", it stopped the Liberation Campaign against the Aggressor!
        1. Yujanin
          Yujanin 6 July 2018 21: 40
          +1
          Rather it was to write like that! Israeli instructor operators, UAV UAVs, following the hawks of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry, are preparing to inflict a Cunning Strike

          The essence does not change.
          1. Karenius
            Karenius 6 July 2018 21: 52
            +1
            Southerner, Vladimir exaggerates the number of powers that stopped our liberation campaign. Only Russia stopped ... I just didn’t let go just walk my boot around Ganzak. You can guess at the instigation of which of the fish-eyes specifically ... it was which earlier was against the deployment of Soviet troops in Baku.
            1. Yujanin
              Yujanin 6 July 2018 22: 00
              +4
              Karenius, first learn to guard your borders yourself .. liberators laughing
              1. Karenius
                Karenius 6 July 2018 22: 06
                +1
                Further it will be easier ... it seems that they got rid of scum in power.
                1. Yujanin
                  Yujanin 6 July 2018 23: 06
                  +1
                  Honestly, there is already progress. Keep up the good work. May we be lucky with you - we will put dots over İ. This hemorrhoids was very dragged on.

                  “Your tanks spoil our streets”: Mer Gyumri requires the Russian ambassador to repair them

                  Find out more at: http://www.aravot-ru.am/2018/07/06/278292/
                  1. Karenius
                    Karenius 7 July 2018 13: 59
                    0
                    Oh, Southerner, Southerner ...
                    After reading this comment, I have a feeling that I got to the site of venereologists: you select information from a newspaper, the founder of which is on the lists of local chronic political prostitutes ... and the words about the official whose name is "who is this?"
                    ... It will be necessary, we will tell Pashinyan that to pacify the violent in Gyumri, you can use the experience of Kocharyan ... this is when this one sent the Karabakh special forces to put things in order at the airport there :)
                2. mariusdeayeraleone
                  mariusdeayeraleone 8 July 2018 22: 44
                  +2
                  Further, it will be more fun)) soon join NATO.
                  1. Karenius
                    Karenius 8 July 2018 22: 54
                    0
                    We won’t have time .... Vanga said that on the 24th Russia will gouge Turkey ... But how long before this our war will last ... this, of course, will be a nightmare for all parties.
                    1. Tengri Warrior
                      Tengri Warrior 13 July 2018 13: 51
                      +1
                      Vanga said that


                      Vanga, Juna, Nastrodamus ....... these are the realities of Armenia. laughing
                  2. Borders
                    Borders 12 July 2018 17: 05
                    0
                    so what about the former Russian base in Gabala?
                    1. KURT330
                      KURT330 13 July 2018 14: 10
                      0
                      She and the Russian right now ... only TURBAZ ... And cool girls come!
          2. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
            Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 23: 34
            0
            Quote: Yujanin
            The essence does not change.

            That is, following your logic, “Though with the devil, but against the Bolsheviks”! He cited from memory Gen. Krasnov when he was serving in the Wehrmacht.
            1. Yujanin
              Yujanin 7 July 2018 01: 55
              +2
              You have to make friends in the gums. We have strategic and mutually beneficial relationships with partners. The parties are satisfied. The Ministry of Finance of Azerbaijan will not allow to lie.
    2. mariusdeayeraleone
      mariusdeayeraleone 6 July 2018 15: 14
      +2
      You see, iskenders are needed if there is a maternal rear!
      Shoot, and turn to hide in the depths of defense! This will not happen here. Even if they manage to shoot, they will fly more than 6 times, although there are no important goals there
  12. xtur
    xtur 6 July 2018 11: 29
    +4
    > since June 17, 1988: Armenian groups dissatisfied with the negative decision of the session of the Supreme Council of the AzSSR for Yerevan took out all their anger on the peaceful Azerbaijani population of the villages of Dashtavan, Masis, Zangilyar, Sayat-Nova, etc. and destruction of property

    Damantsev, well, you can’t write such phrases, they immediately expose you to a dunno or an engaged person - already in February-March 1988 Sumgayit took place.

    And such a position immediately destroys the desire to read everything else. But the truth in this conflict is only one, and very simple - RI - and it took one century to restore order on one side of the Caucasus, and not enough longevity to restore order on its other side.
  13. mariusdeayeraleone
    mariusdeayeraleone 6 July 2018 11: 37
    +4
    9M723-1 for shelling from Baku, without a doubt, will give an excellent result and make you think such "hot goals"

    The province, you will lose forever.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 July 2018 12: 10
      +5
      It is time for Azerbaijan to purchase the Arrow missile defense system.
      1. mariusdeayeraleone
        mariusdeayeraleone 6 July 2018 15: 10
        +3
        I completely agree! The fact is that the army’s motorization is not finished yet, it will be more visible after full auto-mobilization! Since the system turns into red alert2. Here then. ARROW may be turned on, and the purchase of long-range howitzers and fighters has not yet been completed.
    2. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
      Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 17: 00
      +1
      Quote: mariusdeayeraleone
      9M723-1 for shelling from Baku, without a doubt, will give an excellent result and make you think such "hot goals"

      One can see the undermining of the RDG, NKR of the electrical substation near Mingachevir, without any doubt, does not teach anything!
  14. Samara_63
    Samara_63 6 July 2018 13: 34
    +2
    It can be seen that now Azerbaijan is at a show-off ... All this equipment that they buy will be controlled by people ... not the fact that they have mastered it well there, and most likely they have problems with operation ...
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 6 July 2018 13: 42
      +4
      Do you know for sure that there are no literate people in Azerbaijan? Not a single one at all? There is no one to even master the technique that has been taught to recruits in a couple of years? And the officers in the school for 5-6 years.
      I’m sure that it’s not a fact that you can master TRIACQ.
      1. Samara_63
        Samara_63 6 July 2018 13: 47
        +3
        I served in the USSR army. From there, and conclusions ...
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 6 July 2018 13: 59
          +9
          Well, then you have not seen those people. I've seen colonels from Russia at a department in a civilian university. I can also conclude. But I do not make generalizations. We at the end of the institute gave them a picture. She hung for three years, until they guessed to take it off. "Oak Grove" was called.
          I assure you that in Azerbaijan (as in any other country) there are a couple of hundred literate people who will not even yield .... to Russian. wink
          1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
            Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 20: 44
            0
            Quote: Bakht
            I assure you that in Azerbaijan (as in any other country) there are a couple of hundred literate people,

            Not High, you have opinions about your compatriots. If you dare to make a resume in your comment! From the ancient multi-million people, you bother with exorbitant "luxury." Having defined only a few hundred literate? Let it be known to you that in the distant past of the middle of the 20th century. UNESCO recognized Azerbaijan! Mugam World Heritage Treasury Music !!! And how do you think the Ancient Multimillion People, was honored to create the World Treasure, will fit in your understanding with only a few "hundreds" of literate people ?!
            By the way! In 1969, the UN recommended that NASA introduce Azerbaijan into a platinum plate! Mugam, as a musical card, for a message to other Civilizations. What NASA did, it seems, launched Voyager 70 in the distant galaxies with Azerbaijan in the 72-2 years of the last century! Mugamom.Love your homeland, the history of your people as they are.!
        2. KURT330
          KURT330 6 July 2018 14: 56
          +1
          And now there is no USSR))
          1. Samara_63
            Samara_63 6 July 2018 15: 04
            +2
            Bad. That's why you have a war, and in the USSR you lived together ...
      2. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
        Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 17: 11
        +1
        Quote: Bakht
        Do you know for sure that there are no literate people in Azerbaijan?

        Relax Of course there are! Their overwhelming majority in Azerbaijan! But unfortunately, the current situation in Baku does not allow the Healthy Forces of the Peoples of Azerbaijan to declare publicly their disagreement with the aggressive behavior of the Official of the Khanate.
        Quote: Bakht
        There’s no one to even master the technique taught to recruits in a couple of years

        Let it be, you know! According to the statement of the crisis manager of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan. Your Armed Forces are 80% of contract soldiers. Serious Arimyahs will not trust armored vehicles to recruits. Moreover, if the service life is limited to 1,5-2 years of service.
        1. KURT330
          KURT330 9 July 2018 16: 36
          +1
          Why are you so alarmed? Well, we have neither competent nor skilled. So relax and guess at the coffee grounds (you love it) wink
      3. Borders
        Borders 12 July 2018 17: 06
        0
        what's with the tomatoes? how is carnation traded? greenery ?
    2. KURT330
      KURT330 6 July 2018 14: 54
      +7
      We will collect traders from the markets, each one by Laura and the Polonaise, we will give out Som-steep by Harop and SOM, and we will give the rest of the idiots Tornadoes and TOS-s. Here are just a small contingent with a roll-over İQ Shahidomobiles will be handed out laughing
      Well, guys stop, are you really holding us here for the sleepwalkers?
      So, over the past 4 years, in terms of the “Quality of the education system” indicator, the country has risen by 69 levels (from 104 to 35 places), by the indicator of “Quality of management schools” - by 52 levels (from 124 to 72 place), the indicator “Mathematics and quality of scientific education ”- at 42 levels (from 108 to 66 places), the indicator“ Degrees of personnel training ”- at 43 levels (from 94 to 51 places), the indicator“ Local specialized training services ”- at 35 levels (from 79 to 44 places) , the indicator "Internet access in schools" - at 28 steps (from 69 to 41 places). By the way, Russia is at 38 places.
      UNEC expresses confidence that in the future Azerbaijan will achieve more serious successes in education policy.
      1. Borders
        Borders 12 July 2018 17: 07
        0
        "... Aschirpichan walks widely ..." (c) Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev
  15. Lekxnumx
    Lekxnumx 6 July 2018 13: 52
    +4
    One question is more accurate than many, but I will single out one. OTRK Laura who needs this EPR? if it flies at an altitude of 45 km. Which radar station Damantsev is going to accompany the OTRK? On the final trajectory, how much time does it take to escort and destroy? 27 km from the systems? Sergey is needed here.
    Well, if Damantsev considers himself an expert, then I will try on this image. A rocket has flown out, you don’t see it during the march, it’s only on the final section that the radar is illuminated, take 27 km and take ideal conditions, the complex is not directly next to the defended object that is under attack. How much time calculation, how many minutes or seconds?
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 7 July 2018 00: 52
      +1
      Quote: Lek3338
      Which radar station Damantsev is going to accompany the OTRK?

      may be brought soon, but not a fact

      Quote: Lek3338
      it is only at the final section illuminated by the radar, take 27 km

      at speed in the final section in:
      3 max - 27 seconds
      4,5 max - 27 / 1,5 = 18 seconds
      1. Lekxnumx
        Lekxnumx 7 July 2018 01: 07
        +3
        Quote: prosto_rgb
        3 max - 27 seconds
        4,5 max - 27 / 1,5 = 18 seconds

        As expected, the game with TTX from Damantsev about the EPR said something else was silent. Is there a difference between CR and OTRK if you look in this case? By the way, the Kyrgyz Republic is dangerous because it envelopes the surface most of the march time flies at low altitudes. It can be detected depending on the performance characteristics of the radar in the range from 20 km to 45-50 km, if the memory of the Belarusian radar among Soviet systems or the mast Radar systems S-300, S-400. Well, given this, the chance to intercept the CR is greater than the OTRK in the case of Armenia. Because the CR calls up at the final exit to the target and it is subsonic in contrast to the OTRK for tracking which you need a high-altitude radar of which There is no Armenia. Conclusion? The whole article which is built on the Kyrgyz Republic and Damantsev’s conclusions about the reason for buying the Kyrgyz Republic sank into the summer.
        Allow me to clarify 3 mach is 3600 km per hour? If divided by 27 km how much is obtained?
        1. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 7 July 2018 02: 24
          +1
          Quote: Lek3338
          By the way, the Kyrgyz Republic is dangerous because it goes around the surface most of the march time flies at low altitudes.

          Yes.
          but not only that. their angular velocity is large. it’s hard for drives to have time to turn around if it flies close.
          Quote: Lek3338
          if my memory serves me the record of the Belarusian radar among Soviet systems

          It is difficult to say which complex you mean. But under the USSR in Soviet Belarus it was radar systems not produced
          maybe this is Vostok-E:
          http://www.vpk.gov.by/catalog/radar/624/
          But this is already RB own development after 2010. Adopted and is on alert.
          Quote: Lek3338
          or mast radar systems S-300, S-400

          They save "in the forest" ie on the plain, in the conditions of mountainous relief, there is not much sense from them.
          In general, the mountainous terrain is a separate song and its art for all military branches.

          Quote: Lek3338
          Well, given this, the chance to intercept the Kyrgyz Republic is greater than the OTRK in the case of Armenia

          Yes. And not only Armenia, but also in general ... ballistic missiles are a more complex target.
          Hussite shooting at sites in Saudi Arabia is a confirmation of this (that’s a guarantee).
          Quote: Lek3338
          Because CR cries up on the final exit to the target

          depends on KR
          Quote: Lek3338
          OTRK for tracking which you need a high-altitude radar of which there is no in Armenia. Conclusion?

          They can be transported quickly enough, as the S-400 was brought to Syria. But there are BUT ...
          Quote: Lek3338
          The whole article which is built on the Kyrgyz Republic and Damantsev’s conclusions about the reason for buying the Kyrgyz Republic sank into the summer.

          This is obvious, even without the above arguments.
          KR purchased exactly for the same reason as other modern high-precision weapons.

          Quote: Lek3338
          Allow me to clarify 3 mach is 3600 km per hour?

          Approximately yes, or 330-340 m / s off the ground.
          But ALWAYS depends on the temperature and density of the surrounding air, so it will be different at different heights. At a height less.
          Quote: Lek3338
          If divided by 27 km, how much is it?

          A little understood value of 0,0075 hours.
          But at a given speed of 3600 km / h, this is the same 27 seconds.
          1. Lekxnumx
            Lekxnumx 7 July 2018 03: 04
            +1
            1. I didn’t know thanks, I guessed, but I didn’t enter into the nuances of the action of the Kyrgyz Republic.
            2. I once because of the Syrian events I read an article on radar Rosa RB low altitude, I can be mistaken in terminology because I am not a specialist. All that I write purely from visual memory, I do not write out what I regret. By the word Soviet I meant post Soviet developments in that number.
            3.Clearly, the mountainous area does not consist of one hill, there are high-altitude drops, constant contact is difficult to achieve in the case of the Kyrgyz Republic.
            4. For some reason, Damantsev vice versa
            5. Little is known about the TTX of the Kyrgyz Republic in Turkey, but I have one source. One of the rare sources on the Turkish-speaking Internet, one informed wrote a series of articles, I read at my leisure. Mostly they have a booth there, the yellow press writes fantastic opuses about weapons .
            6. It will depend on Russia so far there has been no need.
            7. Damantsev’s performance characteristics were affected due to the politicized view of the situation
            8. Thank you clearly
            Question RZSO Polonaise flies at an altitude of 50 km? Then comes out against a full volley of batteries RZSO Polonaise, it is not a fact that it will reflect layered air defense, missile defense of a stronger enemy, not to mention the Armenian Armed Forces. Or am I mistaken?
            1. prosto_rgb
              prosto_rgb 7 July 2018 18: 29
              +2
              Quote: Lek3338
              2. I once because of the Syrian events I read an article on radar Rosa RB low altitude, I can be mistaken in terminology because I am not a specialist. All that I write purely from visual memory, I do not write out what I regret. By the word Soviet I meant post Soviet developments in that number.

              in this case, most likely this:
              http://www.vpk.gov.by/catalog/radar/631/
              Quote: Lek3338
              4. For some reason, Damantsev vice versa

              strictly theoretically it is, but practice shows something else
              in Yemen and kr were used, but more problems with ballistic. Although there complexes work specifically for missile defense missions
              Quote: Lek3338
              5. Little is known about the TTX of the Kyrgyz Republic in Turkey, but I have one source. One of the rare sources on the Turkish-speaking Internet, one informed wrote a series of articles, I read at my leisure. Mostly they have a booth there, the yellow press writes fantastic opuses about weapons .

              what little is known is a fact, it would be interesting to read.
              Quote: Lek3338
              6. It will depend on Russia so far there has been no need.

              Yes!
              Quote: Lek3338
              7. Damantsev’s performance characteristics were affected due to the politicized view of the situation

              this is generally a common phenomenon, and not just this author
              Quote: Lek3338
              Question RZSO Polonaise flies at an altitude of 50 km?

              Yes, about 50km. The media sounded different numbers from 40m to 50 km.
              Quote: Lek3338
              Then it goes against a full volley of RZSO Polonaise batteries, not the fact that it will reflect layered air defense

              Means of air defense that can hit him, today in the world does not exist.
              As practice in Yemen / Saudi Arabia has shown.
              Up to 1 anti-ballistic missiles were used per 4 ancient Scud-type ballistic missile (sized as a transport and launch container for 4 polonaise missiles), and according to the standards, 2 missiles are considered.
              A battery of 6 cars on each 8 missiles - a volley of 48 pieces. in order to hit it, a minimum of 48x2 = 96 anti-ballistic missiles should be hit, and launched almost simultaneously.
              - for the C300, it will be only 24 (!!!) launchers, and you need to place them close enough to the protected target.
              - For Tor-M2, 12 launchers are already better, respectively, they must be placed close enough near the protected target. But, there are limitations
              The maximum speed of movement of the hit targets, 700 m / s (2,2mah)
              - for Shell-C1
              Maximum target speed: 1000 m / s (3 max)
              PS
              Hit the rocket "Polonaise" on target. Shooting at 300 km (298,6 km). Inert warhead.
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  17. KURT330
    KURT330 6 July 2018 14: 30
    +3
    Damantsev RESPECT! I haven’t laughed like that for a long time. Well, like, guys, let’s throw ourselves off and buy up arms for Armenia))) What do you need to do, nothing more ?! Friends, Armenia is an aggressor and will get what it deserves. However, no one has yet dug to Armenia, we are talking about terrorists on our land. And the theses of Damantsev contradict the official position of the Russian Federation.
    1. asv363
      asv363 6 July 2018 16: 05
      +2
      Evgeny Damantsev is one of the few authors of the VO resource who does not particularly go into politics. It’s up to you to decide what and who cut 30 (thirty) years ago.
      1. Borders
        Borders 12 July 2018 17: 12
        0
        what to decide? but who only for them (the golden-tooth Absheron traders) didn’t try to “solve” something there with the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh: both the Chechens Basayev (see the assault on Shushi in May 1992) and the Afghans Gulbuddin Hekmatiar (in the Fizuli and Jabrail district 1991-92), and Ukrainian pilots (bombing Stepanakert), and Turkish instructors (see the battles in the summer of 1992 -93 for Martakert district and Horadiz) ... BECAUSE-free (s)
  18. KURT330
    KURT330 6 July 2018 14: 40
    +3
    Quote: Spade
    Quote: kunstkammer
    Money does not smell.

    But they smell like “allies”, who constantly have to “hint” that alliance is a two-way street.

    You (ordinary Russians) will soon realize that the Armenians were not and will not be allies to you. On the 11th, Pashinyan bowed to NATO. Well, they do not take you sideways. They have no press, no schools, no TV, no universities in Russian.
    1. Samara_63
      Samara_63 6 July 2018 15: 07
      +1
      About schools hurt ...

      But this is not the main thing, this is their own business, Russia has always been stronger when she had never hoped for anything!
      Well, I’m almost sure that you will have a war, and a terrible campaign, but most importantly you treat prisoners of war with dignity! And then in the last conflict there was a video how the Armenian shepherd was interrogated ... I really did not like it!
      1. KURT330
        KURT330 6 July 2018 16: 44
        +4
        Well and more ... I also didn’t like it when the Gogi from Somalia interrogated Ukrainian officers ...
      2. Bakht
        Bakht 6 July 2018 17: 05
        +1
        This is not only territorial, but also ethnic conflict. At the end of the 20th century, they became the norm. And they have no rules and laws. This does not mean that I justify atrocities. Just stating a fact. Yugoslavia, Ossetia, Karabakh, Africa. Prisoners are rarely taken.
        1. Samara_63
          Samara_63 7 July 2018 15: 10
          0
          It must be determined, either of you both have an army? Or terrorists? For the army, such methods are unacceptable ...
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 8 July 2018 10: 10
            +2
            The conversation was about the first war. Then there was no army. There were some obscure detachments of volunteers, mercenaries. Now there is an army. In any case, there is an army in Azerbaijan. And clearly managed and controlled. And I think that there will be an order of magnitude less atrocities. But this is an ethnic conflict. And excesses will certainly be. This is inevitable in any army. It was even in the SA in Afghanistan. There were always enough iditots in any army in the world. Another thing is how this will nip the leadership.
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 8 July 2018 10: 22
              0
              The terrible war ... probably the worst in the twentieth century ...
              The Germans, when they occupied Europe, were forced to leave garrisons in the occupied settlements.
              They understood that only with the help of conformists from the local population would it be possible to do without a major depletion of the army fighting at the front. If in each village we left a company of machine gunners, then soon there would be no one left at the front.
              From this came the policemen, the commandant’s office, Nachtigall, the Vlasov’s army, etc.
              In Afghanistan, the Russian and Afghan government forces, standing together, were not uncommon.
              In Vietnam, the Americans and South Vietnamese units worked together ...
              The horror of Karabakh is that no one, no local population, is going to pull over the war to annihilation. Busy villages and cities are cleared of the population living there on a national basis.
              Armenians do not have Azerbaijani policemen in Azerbaijani villages simply because Azerbaijanis are no longer there.
            2. Yeraz
              Yeraz 9 July 2018 17: 29
              0
              Quote: Bakht
              Another thing is how this will nip the leadership.

              this will not be able to stop. We add relatives of the martyrs in the first war and plus other relatives during the positional campaign, a huge percentage of people in the army will be typed and the leadership will not be able to stop this.
              Another thing is that the Armenian civilian population will not sit still and their military will not leave them, and they will not be able to if they wish.
              Therefore, this problem will not stand. Only the problem with the prisoners, but here the leadership will be able to control the situation.
      3. Karenius
        Karenius 6 July 2018 22: 11
        +1
        Quote: Samara_63
        About schools hurt ...

        There is nothing against you in this. This is true for Aboriginal people, but there are such schools for Russians.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 July 2018 19: 53
      +3
      What is it - half of Armenia already lives in Russia.
      1. Borders
        Borders 12 July 2018 17: 13
        0
        where does this data come from?
  19. KURT330
    KURT330 6 July 2018 15: 45
    +3
    Quote: Samara_63
    Bad. That's why you have a war, and in the USSR you lived together ...

    Do you have it? Well, that’s bad. After the USSR, it is blazing everywhere. So the base was rotten.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 July 2018 19: 56
      0
      It’s just that during the USSR it all accumulated in a capacitor and in the late 80s it exploded.
  20. KURT330
    KURT330 6 July 2018 16: 05
    +2
    Quote: Samara_63
    About schools hurt ...

    But this is not the main thing, this is their own business, Russia has always been stronger when she had never hoped for anything!
    Well, I’m almost sure that you will have a war, and a terrible campaign, but most importantly you treat prisoners of war with dignity! And then in the last conflict there was a video how the Armenian shepherd was interrogated ... I really did not like it!

    Well, the war has more than one face. There are humane moments and too harsh. During the Second World War, many Soviet soldiers (mainly Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians, since the loss of civilian population prevailed in these regions) also did not stand on ceremony with captive fascists.
  21. KURT330
    KURT330 6 July 2018 16: 13
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
    Quote: Fungus
    The forces are not at all equal. Not in favor of Armenia.

    God is with us! In Syria, too, the forces seem to be unequal. Having on its side such an Ally as the Russian Air Force, as well as operational tactical groups of the MTR. And also the “meat” from Iran, the Assad regime juggles on the border of the abyss to maintain its rule. But ( !) People, Karl! (figure of speech). Well, he doesn’t want to step into the "bright" future with the current ruler. Here and draw a conclusion.

    Hehe ... Due to the IRI, you breathe and eat, call him the main ally, and now the IRI has become "meat" laughing At the expense of forces, that is, you say that if Armenia remains face to face with Azerbaijan, will you defeat us right away? Did I understand you correctly? wink
    1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
      Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 6 July 2018 19: 01
      +2
      Quote: KURT330
      Hehe ... Due to the IRI, you breathe and eat,

      We Live, Create, Fight. Thanks to the Will of God, as well as the Will and Fortitude of the NKR Armenians!
      Quote: KURT330
      Iran has now become "meat"

      If you have even the slightest idea of ​​fighting at least on a tactical level, would you doubt the conceptual skills of military affairs in the IRI Armed Forces? Finally, refer to the sources of the Iraq-Iran conflict. There you have it! Human "waves", upon the attack, attacks on the forehead, ossification and stagnation of the Military Thought. Although Iraqis are also in the "gun".
      Quote: KURT330
      At the expense of forces, that is, you say that if Armenia remains face to face with Azerbaijan, will you defeat us right away?

      It is difficult for me to follow the flight, of course, a High Thought. But you were not so kind to point out! Where was it indicated in this post about the opposition to the NKR <> Azerbaijan?
      Quote: KURT330
      Did I understand you correctly?

      With respect! But you do not understand correctly!
      Peace to your house!
      1. KURT330
        KURT330 9 July 2018 16: 48
        +1
        We will not have Peace! They burned children in Khojaly alive, ripped open the bellies of pregnant women, removed scalps from the elderly, now suddenly they wanted peace! You will answer for all this ... Not you are your children ... This dance on the bones will not stop by itself. The unrest began in Karabakh too, the people demand the resignation of Bako. After all, they know that Armenians like you, who are sitting under other people's flags, set up simple Karabakh people. You probably feel comfortable in France, and those who are in Karabakh are waiting for a missile on their heads any minute. Also me, peace-loving what))
        1. Borders
          Borders 12 July 2018 17: 14
          0
          Yes, for a long time all this fake about the "genocide in Khojali" is disclosed: http://www.xocali.net/RU/
  22. KURT330
    KURT330 6 July 2018 16: 17
    +2
    Quote: asv363
    Evgeny Damantsev is one of the few authors of the VO resource who does not particularly go into politics. It’s up to you to decide what and who cut 30 (thirty) years ago.

    [/ quote] Having delved into historical facts, we can say that neither the First Congress of the Karabakh Armenians for July 22, 1918 became the panacea for this “long-playing” conflict, the main results of which (the declaration of Nagorno Karabakh as an independent state and the creation of the People’s Government) were countered only through 3 years by the decision of the plenum of the Bureau of the Central Committee of the RCP (b) of July 5, 1921 (“leaving the Nagorno Karabakh Republic within the Azerbaijan SSR with the possibility of creating wide regional autonomy”), nor the conclusion of the Bishkek ceasefire agreement on May 5, 1994, which was regularly violated by the Azerbaijan side before the April War of 2016.
    As you can see, Baku is very carefully practicing the whole range of technical and tactical issues related to the destruction of the Armenian air defense on the very first day after the start of a military resolution of the Karabakh conflict, and therefore it’s just right to think about the speedy updating of the air defense component of the Armenian army, especially since the country is a member of the Treaty Organization Collective Security (CSTO). In particular, Yerevan needs a couple of dozens of self-propelled air defense systems "Tor-M2U" and air defense system "Pantsir-C1", which would reliably protect all the most important military installations from Azerbaijani "SOM-B1", suddenly flying out from the mountain folds of the South Caucasus . The supply of the S-300PMU-2 Favorit divisions, capable of destroying even smaller targets with a 0,02 sq. m, because every year Azerbaijan rattles its hodgepodge from various Western, Israeli and Belarusian high-precision weapons more and more compactly, as well as compact UAVs, the hulls of which are made of composite materials with minimal reflective capabilities. [quote]

    That is, what you call is not getting into politics? wink
  23. KURT330
    KURT330 6 July 2018 16: 40
    +2
    Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
    Quote: parusnik
    , only as Azerbaijan wants ....

    And Azerbaijan accepts only the only decision from Baku’s view. The annexation of the entire South Caucasus!

    Oh really?! Is this written in ancient Armenian manuscripts?
  24. Black sniper
    Black sniper 6 July 2018 18: 00
    +1
    Quote: Siberia 9444
    I agree with you, not in favor of Armenia! Azerbaijan is stronger militarily + Turkey and Karabakh will go over to Azerbaijan, a matter of time (+ will help US instability)

    Only you do not forget that Armenia is in the CSTO !!! If one of the crazy ones jerks, few will not seem to anyone !!! am
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 July 2018 19: 58
      +5
      In 2016, they jerked and that where this CSTO was, this organization is the same as NATO - one for all and each for itself.
      1. Karenius
        Karenius 6 July 2018 20: 44
        +2
        In 2016, there was a banal betrayal by Serzhik ... he wanted to give away our lands, referred to as the “buffer zone” - so he would be calmer at international meetings on the Karabakh issue ...
        Our soldiers thought differently ...
        _____
        It will not be easy for my friends in uniform in the next war ... I'm talking about those who, returning for a couple of hours to their home, forget to ask their sick mother about their health, and they don’t ask about children either ... But they are confident and in his subordinates ...
        1. Yujanin
          Yujanin 7 July 2018 03: 05
          +1
          It will not be easy for my friends in uniform in the next war ... I'm talking about those who, returning for a couple of hours to their home, forget to ask their sick mother about their health, and they don’t ask about children either ... But they are confident and in his subordinates ...


          Before you touch the permission with your hands, first ask. If they leave ... they will not be taken away by then!
        2. Tengri Warrior
          Tengri Warrior 13 July 2018 14: 41
          0
          our lands

          The ones that cross over your throat and turn you into slaves? Yes?
          Our soldiers thought differently ...

          Your soldiers actually thought how to save their fifth points, darling. For them I thought (and asked) the General Staff of Russia. So there is no need to breed the ancient Armenian antimony here again. You know all this best of all, just the Armenians do not give you rest.
          I’m talking about those who, returning for a couple of hours to their home, forget to ask their sick mother about their health, and they don’t ask about children either ... But they are confident in themselves and their subordinates ...

          The artist is small and big! laughing
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 6 July 2018 20: 40
      +5
      Quote: Black Sniper
      Quote: Siberia 9444
      I agree with you, not in favor of Armenia! Azerbaijan is stronger militarily + Turkey and Karabakh will go over to Azerbaijan, a matter of time (+ will help US instability)

      Only you do not forget that Armenia is in the CSTO !!! If one of the crazy ones jerks, few will not seem to anyone !!! am

      NKR is not a member of the CSTO. If the b / d will be conducted in the regions of Azerbaijan and NKR, the CSTO will not be able to intervene in the conflict.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 9 July 2018 17: 35
        +2
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        If the b / d will be conducted in the regions of Azerbaijan and the NKR, the CSTO will not be able to intervene in the conflict.

        even if it is conducted on the territory of Armenia, the CSTO will do nothing. Only appeals for peace and peacefully sell weapons to Azerbaijan. Turkic countries at the public level will be for Azerbaijan, all Turkic and Islamic structures of Turkic countries will join and volunteers will go. it’s not the 90s. In the 90s it was impossible to imagine an Azerbaijanian in the Middle East with weapons in the hands of a man fighting for the Arabs, and now 1000 people have just died in Syria and are fighting the same number. Therefore, we will see Turkic volunteers, etc.
        But Russia will intervene in any sneak she needs, Azerbaijan will start first, it will not matter in Karabakh or Armenia.
        They will see that Azerbaijan has reached a dangerous level. Armenia will attack. Azerbaijan will respond, but Russia will go on the side of Armenia and say Azerbaijan first.
        No need for her, it will calmly watch as Azerbaijan rushes forward and does nothing.
        The papers have lost power. That's the right of the strong.
      2. Borders
        Borders 12 July 2018 17: 15
        0
        Duc, the NKR Armenians themselves cope ...
    3. KURT330
      KURT330 9 July 2018 16: 49
      +1
      And what, will you fight for them? Well, well .. wait ..
      1. Borders
        Borders 12 July 2018 17: 16
        0
        Heavier than the keyboard and cigarettes in his hands held the “waiter”?
    4. Tengri Warrior
      Tengri Warrior 13 July 2018 14: 19
      0
      Only you do not forget that Armenia is in the CSTO !!! If one of the crazy ones jerks, few will not seem to anyone !!! am

      Hello! ))) And in what way the anti-terrorist operation of the Azerbaijani forces on their own, internationally recognized, a territory called Karabakh may concern the CSTO?
      Did you skip geography lessons or were you forced to study Armenian fairy tales instead of geography?
  25. mariusdeayeraleone
    mariusdeayeraleone 6 July 2018 21: 01
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
    Quote: mariusdeayeraleone
    9M723-1 for shelling from Baku, without a doubt, will give an excellent result and make you think such "hot goals"

    One can see the undermining of the RDG, NKR of the electrical substation near Mingachevir, without any doubt, does not teach anything!


    To such madness, there would be a crazy answer!
    You would think that on the opposite side, too, specialists are sitting.
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  27. usovo1
    usovo1 6 July 2018 23: 40
    0
    One A-50 is not enough, it cannot fly forever
  28. gnollmen
    gnollmen 7 July 2018 00: 17
    +3
    The author of the article does not have accurate data about Polonaise.
    The exact data is here http://www.vpk.gov.by/news/media/6094/?sphrase_id
    = 17341
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 7 July 2018 02: 30
      +1
      Quote: gnollmen
      http://www.vpk.gov.by/news/media/6094/?sphrase_id
      = 17341

      and even thats not all
  29. Cottager452
    Cottager452 7 July 2018 08: 14
    0
    Russia is strong in imperial spirit!
  30. mariusdeayeraleone
    mariusdeayeraleone 7 July 2018 13: 10
    +2
    Quote: Bo Yari
    he is just a rascal



    A lot of them, blind as kittens))))
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  32. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 9 July 2018 15: 02
    +1
    In favor of the Armenian "Three Hundreds" also plays the fact that the Kasirga NURSs, as well as the LORA and Polonaise guided missiles are distinguished by rather mediocre maneuverable qualities (in the case of the T-300, their complete absence), which means anti-aircraft guided missiles 5V55P are capable of intercepting them, as they are able to realize an overload of 27-30G.

    Shoot from S-300 to Polonaise a direct path to defeat, even if there is 100% academic performance.
  33. KURT330
    KURT330 9 July 2018 16: 31
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
    Quote: KURT330
    as it requires justice and 4 UN resolutions!

    Substitute concepts! Not in one of the 4 NKR resolutions, just as Armenia is not indicated as an aggressor! It says in black and white: Among other things, the Right of Nations to Self-Determination :! What is not clear?

    The Security Council, reaffirming its resolutions 822 (1993) of April 30, 1993, 853 (1993) of July 29, 1993 and 874 (1993) of October 14, 1993, reaffirming its full support for the peace process of the Security Conference and cooperation in Europe, and the tireless efforts of the Minsk Group of the Conference, noting the letter of the current Chairman of the Minsk Conference of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe on Nagorno-Karabakh dated November 9, 1993 addressed to the President of the Security Council and addenda1, expressing serious concern that continuation of the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh region of the Republic of Azerbaijan and around it and continued tensions between the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Azerbaijan would be a threat to peace and security in the region, noting with concern the escalation of hostilities due to ceasefire violations and excessive use of force in response to these violations, in particular the occupation of Zangelan region and the city of Goradiz in Azerbaijan ,Affirming the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Azerbaijan and all other states in the region,Reaffirming also the inviolability of international borders and the inadmissibility of the use of force to acquire territory,Expressing grave concern about the most recent case of the displacement of a large number of civilians and the emergence of a humanitarian emergency in the Zangelan region and in the city of Horadiz and on the southern border of Azerbaijan, 1. Condemns the recent violations of the ceasefire established by the parties that entailed the resumption of hostilities, and in particular condemns the occupation of the Zangelan region and the city of Horadiz, attacks on civilians and shelling of the territory of the Republic of Azerbaijan;2. Calls on the Government of Armenia to use its influence to achieve compliance by the Armenians of the Nagorno-Karabakh region of Azerbaijan with resolutions 822 (1993), 853 (1993) and 874 (1993) and to ensure that the forces involved are not provided with funds to continue their military campaign;
    3. Notes with satisfaction the statement of nine members of the Minsk Group of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe of November 4, 1993 and appreciates the proposals contained therein regarding unilateral ceasefire statements;
    4. requires interested parties to immediately cease hostilities and hostile acts, unilateral withdrawal of occupying forces from Zangelan region and the city of Horadiz and withdrawal of occupying forces from others recently occupied regions of Azerbaijan in accordance with the “Updated Schedule of Urgent Measures for the Implementation of Security Council Resolutions 822 (1993) and 853 (1993)” 2 as amended at the meeting of the Minsk Group, held in Vienna from 2-8 November 1993;
    5. Most urges the parties concerned to urgently resume compliance with the ceasefire established as a result of direct contacts undertaken with the assistance of the Government of the Russian Federation in support of the Minsk Group, and to make it effective and permanent; and continue to search for ways to resolve the conflict through negotiations in the context of the Minsk Process and the “Updated Schedule” as amended at a meeting of the Minsk Group on November 2-8, 1993;
    6. Once again urges all States in the region to refrain from any hostile acts and from any interference that would lead to the escalation of the conflict and undermine peace and security in the region;
    7. Requests the Secretary-General and relevant international agencies to provide urgent humanitarian assistance to the affected civilian population, including the population in the Zangelan region and in the city of Horadiz and on the southern border of Azerbaijan, and to help refugees and displaced persons return to their homes with dignity and without risk;
    8. Reiterates its request to the Secretary-General, the current Chairperson of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe and the Chairperson of the Minsk Conference, to continue to report to the Council on the progress of the Minsk process and on all aspects of the situation on the ground, in particular on the implementation of its relevant resolutions, and on the current and future cooperation between the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe and the United Nations in this regard;
    9. Decides to remain actively seized of the matter.
    Adopted unanimously at the 3313 meeting.
  34. macgyver
    macgyver 10 July 2018 13: 34
    +1
    Armenia is the way to Iran, and most likely the Americans will light it there first to prepare the bridgehead for the invasion. I hope the Armenians jumping for their Pashinyan understand this ...
    1. Borders
      Borders 12 July 2018 17: 19
      0
      understand what? Do you even know that when the Armenian units (in the conditions of the blockade) stormed the firing points of Kelbajar (the former Armenian Karvachar), then the fuel in the tanks of Armenian tanks was entirely IRANIAN? Do you even know that when the Russian units got bogged down in the battles in Chechnya, then the ONLY Muslim country NOT represented at the battlefield (from the Mujahideen, etc.) was Iran? Maybe try to connect these two LIKE would be unrelated facts?
      1. macgyver
        macgyver 12 July 2018 18: 38
        +2
        What the hell should Iran do in CIA operations in Chechnya? Muslims, Islam, etc. ... nothing to do with it. Now look at who Pashinyan is and who came to power with him. A damn sweet smell from them a mile away, almost like from Yushchenko ... Combine these facts, it would seem unrelated ... and think about what our "sworn overseas friends" are preparing there.
        1. KURT330
          KURT330 13 July 2018 10: 33
          +1
          Do not pay attention, this subject is hysterical for the reason that the only vital artery of Armenia runs through Iran. The cover is soon to Iran, as well as to the Karabakh separatists ... and maybe to Armenia!
      2. Tengri Warrior
        Tengri Warrior 13 July 2018 16: 49
        +1
        Kelbajar (former Armenian Karvachar)

        Is New Hapshire a former Armenian Nor Hampshirekan? laughing
        then the fuel in the tanks of the Armenian tanks was entirely IRANIAN

        Iran did this not for the sake of your beautiful nose, but to harm Azerbaijan. If you do not understand this, then you are worthless on a market day.
        That is, you Armenians again, as has historically been used. But you don’t get used to it.

        PS. The time will come when you and your Iran pr (e) will pay for a couple of cents. That is your essence.
  35. KURT330
    KURT330 13 July 2018 14: 08
    +1
    Quote: Tengri Warrior
    Cehacron


    That is, the Armenian Mine Kampf?

    Yeah, Tsekhakron))) They always and everywhere were the "shop assistant" s ... And in Baku, and in St. Petersburg, and in Istanbul, and in Paris, and in Tehran, and in Sochi and in Moscow!