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“The fate of Dukhonin was decided. Further known. Dukhonin was torn to pieces. ” Part of 2

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In spite of all Nikolai Nikolayevich, he remained true to his duty. As expected, the meeting with the new Supreme Commander ended fatally for him. The news of the death of Dukhonin quickly spread throughout the country. A little later, the poet Vladimir Piast dedicated this event to a poem. And in it, he called Krylenko "the executioner" and this, in the presence of the People's Commissar of Education, Anatoly Vasilyevich Lunacharsky. And he was indignant: “No, gentlemen, this is impossible, well, what kind of expression! Well, how can you! Comrade Krylenko is a prominent revolutionary figure, and you say “executioner”, is it really poetry! ”But everyone at that literary party, including Lunacharsky, understood perfectly well that Duhonin simply became a victim of a revolution that“ is not done in white gloves.


Waiting for the train

Dukhonin was cornered. However, being a true professional in his field, he felt responsible for the army and for the fate of the state in the war. Nikolai Nikolayevich understood that because of the ferment in the ranks of the soldiers, that very “external enemy” could break through a weakened front. Therefore, with obstinacy bordering on madness, he continued to send orders and directives to headquarters, hoping to the last for a successful outcome of the confrontation. After all, in fact, there was not much left to hold out. Dukhonin was afraid of a catastrophe, he was afraid of breaking through the enemy soldiers, but at the same time his faith in his own fighters had practically left him. However, at the end of November, he sent a message to the headquarters of the Northern Front: “In the extreme case, if the connection with the Stavka is completely lost ... the situation on the fronts will be such that the army, having lost their stability, will open the front, then the limit of their movement to the rear Nar position, Lake Chudskoye, Pskov-Ostrovskiy positions and fortified position covering the direction to Bologoye-Moscow. Ensuring this front should consist in firmly retaining the most important paths and our domination over the paths going from west to east. ”

“The fate of Dukhonin was decided. Further known. Dukhonin was torn to pieces. ” Part of 2


Literally the next day, Nikolai Nikolayevich sent another telegram there: “If the demoralization of the military masses ... leads to a breakdown of the positions ... and the beginning of the civil war, then with a shortage of troops loyal to the duty to perform the task that you specified on November 14 ... with the loyal national honor of the Russian troops to cover the direction of Pskov - Bologoe, denoting the approaches to Moscow from the north and northwest, meaning that Russia will continue to fight until the decision of the Constituent Assembly or rules lstvennoy power based on the majority of the country. To the left of you in this extreme situation, covering the routes from the west to Moscow in the Nevel-Vitebsk-Orsha region, a group of 17 and 22 corps and 2 of the Kuban division is formed ... It’s their task to attach parts of the Western Front to would this front also succumb to complete demoralization. By force weapons people leaving the front without permission, when he moves from the spot and rushes inland, do not let go deep into Russia ... or disarm them in advance. In this extreme situation, we must save Moscow and half of Russia from civil war. ”

The following message has already flown by the commanders of the South-Western and Romanian fronts: “The information received from both front reconnaissance and undercover reconnaissance forces us to assume that the enemy can move to action in the near future on the Romanian front and, possibly, on the South-Western front ... pursuing the goal of mastering Bessarabia, Odessa, and coal Donetsk areas. It is necessary to take all measures in order to timely detect the intentions of the enemy. ”
On November 30, 1917, Nikolai Nikolayevich learned that a train with Baltic sailors, who had joined the Bolsheviks, was moving to his headquarters in Mogilyov. But even the realization that he was on the edge of the abyss, did not knock him out of a rut. Assessing the situation, Dukhonin decided to seek his fortune from the government of the UPR. He asked him for permission to transfer the Stake to Kiev. But in the general secretariat this request was reacted, to put it mildly, with skepticism. The UNR government understood perfectly well how this relocation could have ended. Therefore, at first, the secretariat diligently delayed the answer, and then began to put forward counter conditions. To fulfill them Dukhonin was already corny there was neither the strength nor the time.

In the journal "Hourly" for 1937, Nikolai Nikolayevich's correspondence with his wife was partially published. In his messages, he wrote: “On my shoulders I bear a great responsibility before my conscience and before my homeland. The slightest mistake can have fatal consequences. The string is stretched to the last degree. Faith does not leave me, and this is the guarantee of the very productivity of work. ”

Here is another passage: “Works doom. You know, but I still believe in Russia. I do my duty as my conscience and conscience dictates. ”

Face to face

Nikolai Vasilyevich Krylenko arrived in Mogilyov on the third of December 1917 of the year. First of all, he declared himself the new Glavkoverhom, and then informed Dukhonin that he was waiting for his departure to Petrograd. So, they say, ordered SNK.



For Dukhonin went. Krylenko's envoys arrested him and brought him to the railway station. Nikolai Nikolayevich had no doubt that the hour of death was near: “I had and I have thousands of opportunities to hide, but I will not do that. I know that Krylenko will arrest me, and maybe even shoot me. But this is a soldier’s death. ”

Nikolai Nikolaevich was delivered straight to the Krylenko car. But in Mogilev, in the meantime, rumors began to spread that General Kornilov’s army was approaching the city. And the revolutionary-minded soldiers and sailors gathered at the train. They didn't need the truth. They only believed in what they themselves wanted. For them news about Kornilov meant one thing — one could deal with Dukhonin. An angry mob demanded his extradition.

According to the official version, Nikolai Vasilyevich Krylenko even tried to stop them and calm them down. But his “efforts” were not crowned with success. Anton Ivanovich Denikin in “Outlines of the Russian Distemper” wrote: “... a crowd of sailors — wild, angry in front of the Glavkoverkha; Krylenko tore up General Dukhonin and cruelly abused him”.

According to one of the versions, the sailors, despite Nikolai Vasilievich's persuasion, still broke into the car. Then they brought Dukhonin him from there to the site. Shot sounded. The bullet hit the head of the former Supreme Commander. And after that he was already finished off with bayonets and butts.

Krylenko later recalled: “I cannot keep silent about the sad fact of mob court over the former Glavkoverh Dukhonin. Popular hatred too boiling. Despite all attempts to save him, he was pulled out of the car at the station Mogilyov and killed. The flight of General Kornilov on the eve of the fall of the Headquarters was the cause of the excess. Comrades! I cannot tolerate stains on the banner of the revolution, and with the strictest condemnation one should relate to such facts. Be worthy of winning freedom. Do not blur the power of the people. Revolutionary people are formidable in the struggle, but should be soft after victory. ”

Considering Krylenko’s further path, he quite often resorted to manipulating facts that were advantageous for him. And although he officially even sympathized with Dukhonin, many researchers are inclined to believe that this is nothing more than a farce. There is a version that Krylenko deliberately made a mockery of the body of the former Supreme Commander. Moreover, everything that happened near his carriage was a skillful dramatization, and the massacre of Dukhonin was agreed with the leaders of the Bolshevik movement. This version is indirectly confirmed by the fact that when the leaders learned about the death of Nikolai Nikolayevich, they reacted as calmly as possible.

Shortly before his death, Nikolai Nikolayevich wrote that most of all he was afraid of sneering at his body in the event of a massacre. And his fears were confirmed. Almost all eyewitnesses of those events noted this fact. One of the witnesses recalled: “The whole day continued the abuse of the brutal crowd over the body. Already in the evening, they saw the corpse of the deceased being planted with a cigarette in their hands next to a dead dog. When the body was washed, 16 bayonet, 3 saber and two gunshot wounds were found. ” Others said that they had mocked Dukhonin’s body for several days, until it began to decompose. Only after that he was sent to Kiev.

General Gustav Mannerheim recalled: “At the station of the city of Mogilev, where the Supreme Commander’s Headquarters was located, a strange atmosphere reigned. On the platform was a small group of horrified people, and in the middle was a large bloody stain. I learned that the Acting Supreme Commander, Lieutenant-General Dukhonin, was shot dead. Without security, he arrived at the station to sign an agreement with the newly appointed Bolshevik commander-in-chief, a former candidate officer Krylenko. At that very moment, when they met on the platform, soldiers jumped out of the Krylenko train and quickly dealt with Dukhonin. ”

On December 7, Nikolai Vasilyevich Krylenko told Trotsky about the incident: “In connection with the murder of Dukhonin, the legal formalization of the case is necessary; The body was sent to Kiev. If you refer the case to a judicial investigator, an autopsy is required, even to the point of digging. I propose to terminate the case by a resolution of the state power ... Acts of inquiry are sufficiently rehabilitated from all sorts of misinterpretations ... but it is hardly advisable to initiate proceedings with the mandatory interrogations of sailors.

To which Lev Davidovich replied: “It would be pointless and criminal to transfer the case to the hands of judicial officials of the old temper. If necessary, you can refer the case to the revolutionary court, which must be created by democratic soldiers' organizations under the Stavka and guided not by the old letter, but by the revolutionary sense of justice of the people. ”



Alexey Alekseevich Brusilov wrote in his memoirs: “It was time for the tragic death of N.N. Dukhonin. The telegrams about how brutally he was killed were a heavy blow to us all. ”

As for Krylenko, he noted: “The fate of Dukhonin was decided. Further known. Dukhonin was torn to pieces ... The stakes were taken, and the entire technical apparatus of command was in the hands of the new government. ”

* * *

Since the probability of provocation by the Bolshevik-minded soldiers and sailors was great, Nikolai Nikolayevich’s funeral took place at night. They were attended by only a few people, including his wife, Natalya Vladimirovna.

After the death of Dukhonin, the Bolsheviks no longer had a worthy opponent who would somehow be able to prevent them from embarking on peace negotiations with the Germans in Brest-Litovsk. At those negotiations there was a tragedy that became resonant. According to one of the versions, General Vladimir Yevstafyevich Skalon could not accept the conditions of peace, to which the Bolsheviks agreed. And therefore committed suicide. But his death did not affect further events, the agreement was signed.

In 1934, the cemetery where the body of Dukhonin rested was liquidated. His remains were transferred to the Lukyanos civil cemetery, where his father was buried. Moreover, the ashes of Nikolai Nikolaevich were buried there, but they did not make the corresponding inscription on the tombstone. Only after many years, when the tombstone was restored, the name and dates of life of the former commander-in-chief appeared on it. True, they are indicated inaccurately, approximately.



By the way, after the massacre of Dukhonin, the Bolsheviks tried to get his wife too. And for her head was even appointed a substantial reward. Apparently, someone was afraid that Natalya Vladimirovna could have spoken too much. Therefore, they decided to get rid of it. But they did not succeed. First, Natalya Vladimirovna under the protection of the Red Cross (a woman changed her first and last name) took refuge in Ekaterinodar. In this city, she worked in a hospital. Then, together with the soldiers of Wrangel, Dukhonina was able to move to Serbia. Here she also continued to work as a sister of mercy. After the end of World War II, Natalya Vladimirovna lived in Germany for a while, and from there she moved to Morocco. In Casablanca, she died in 1968 year.
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  1. Adjutant
    Adjutant 5 July 2018 07: 43
    +5
    Wild West in Russian open spaces
    General lynched
    A reward has been announced for the wife’s head.
    And not just the general, but Glavkoverkh. Even the saying appeared: "Send to Dukhonin to the headquarters."
    Preludes of the Civil War.
    Thanks to the author for interesting details.
  2. Each other
    Each other 5 July 2018 08: 47
    +3
    I’m interested in who wrote this courageous statement of Dukhonin? :
    “I had and have thousands of opportunities to hide, but I won’t. I know that Krylenko will arrest me, and maybe even be shot. But this is soldier’s death. ”

    In my opinion, the general had a very strange idea of ​​the so-called soldier's death. Instead of a heroic death in battle, silently wait until they shoot. winked
    And about the reward for Dukhonin’s wife, where did the information come from? Especially about his so-called "solidity"? bully
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 5 July 2018 08: 55
      +1
      Quote: Saling
      I’m interested in who wrote this courageous statement of Dukhonin? :

      A.I. Denikin, Essays on Russian Troubles
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 5 July 2018 09: 19
      +2
      Quote: Saling
      Instead of a heroic death in battle, silently wait until they shoot.

      And what could he do? against whom to show your personal heroism? - a corrupted soldier mass. Earl Keller was also killed, and he also did not want a fratricidal war, Kaledin shot himself, Mishchenko shot himself when they tried to remove military awards from him.
      On the fingers of a hand you can count such generals.
      1. Each other
        Each other 5 July 2018 16: 53
        +4
        Tell the tales of the Viennese forest about the repentance and soul of the generals to romantic young ladies. Like fairy tales about their so-called humanity and unwillingness of fratricidal war. laughing
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 5 July 2018 17: 15
          0
          Quote: Saling
          Tell the tales of the Viennese forest about the repentance and soul of the generals to romantic young ladies.

          The general had nothing to repent of, and moreover, the souls of the generals, for information - cats also have a soul (as an example) And what romantic young ladies to tell me - they are now either drinking beer in the fan zones or half-naked on the beach, sunbathing will not.
      2. Vladimir 5
        Vladimir 5 5 July 2018 19: 40
        -1
        The problem is that local senior management understood the responsibilities and consequences, and tried to smooth out the confrontation and avoid bloodshed. Here are those brought in sealed wagons (very interesting lists) and freight boats from New York (the list of more than 200 fighters is still unknown, although obviously from 99% of the Moses sons), and their London trains only wanted a lot of blood in Russia (at will main patrons) ... According to this, it can be considered an intervention and seizure of power in Russia in October 1917 by invaders from outside the state ...
      3. Walking
        Walking 6 July 2018 20: 12
        0
        Quote: bober1982

        Count Keller was also killed, and he also did not want a fratricidal war.

        Count Keller was killed in Kiev and the Bolsheviks have nothing to do with his death.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 6 July 2018 20: 43
          0
          I did not say that he was killed by the Bolsheviks; by the way, he considered Kornilov to be an adventurer.
    3. Royalist
      Royalist 5 July 2018 16: 19
      0
      Maybe Dukhonin himself was torn to pieces, but Krylenko wanted to express his sympathy with Dukhonin?
      At that time, everything could be
    4. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 5 July 2018 18: 11
      +4
      "In my opinion, the general had a very strange idea of ​​the so-called soldier's death" ////
      -----
      The general's view was the most normal. Do not scream at the crucial moment.
      He did not get scared.
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 5 July 2018 08: 53
    +5
    December XNUMX Nikolai Vasilievich Krylenko informed Trotsky of what had happened: ". If you transfer the case to a judicial investigator, an autopsy is mandatory in Kiev, even up to digging. I propose to terminate the case by a government decision... The acts of inquiry sufficiently rehabilitate from all kinds of rumors ... but initiating proceedings with compulsory interrogations of sailors is hardly advisable. "
    To which Lev Davidovich answered: “It would be pointless and criminally hand over the case to judicial officials, not guided by the old letter, but be guided by the revolutionary justice of the people».

    The "revolutionaries" forgot that EVERYTHING also has a retroactive effect: the bracket received an ice ax in full accordance with the "revolutionary" sense of justice, and the trampled Krylenko was shot immediately after ....20 minute(!) "court" session.
    What they planted is what they got Yes

    according to Dukhonin: Nikolay Nikolayevich did not want to soak his hands with the blood of rebels (but his fellow citizens), ordered the shock units to leave Stavka and leave Mogilev, even preferred his death to a bloody confrontation
    Beautiful, noble, sacrificial, but wrong for the country, because from the civil war did not save, and even vice versa ..
    God be his judge ....
    As a citizen of Russia, he lived a worthy, wonderful life.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 5 July 2018 10: 21
      +2
      Quote: Olgovich
      the trampled Krylenko was shot immediately after .... a 20-minute (!) “court” hearing.

      but they trampled for more than a month - from January 31 to March 3, 1938. It was rewarded according to merit ... Interestingly, they condemned him for creating the "counter-revolutionary fascist-terrorist organization of climbers and tourists." wassat
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 5 July 2018 13: 00
        +3
        Quote: Weyland
        Interestingly, they condemned him for creating the "counter-revolutionary fascist-terrorist organization of climbers and tourists"

        This is one of the episodes of Krylenko ..
        But from the Sentence to him, from 1938:
        Accused KRYLENKO N.V., working as Commissar of Justice RSFSR and then the USSR, created in the organs of Justice large wreck organization right and directed its subversive activities in the justice system until 1938.
        The right-wing organization directs its activities on the preparation of intervention by the fascist states against the USSR and on the defeat of the USSR. N.V. KRYLENKO shared these attitudes and directed his practical activity to achieve the same goals, i.e., intervention and defeat of the USSR.
        Ah, what a great enemy I’m plotting — I’ve prepared, it turns out, intervention is a defeat for my country! good However, it is not surprising, given its role in ending resistance to the invaders in 1917.
        And after all, ALL recognized, signed everything! Yes
        And then it’s understandable: you won’t spoil the investigators of the NKVD, it’s not a fight with the lonely honest Russian general Dukhonin .....
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  4. andrew42
    andrew42 5 July 2018 15: 12
    +1
    The problem is that the tsarist generals, who were principled and scrupulous in the matter of honor, did not understand that they were opposing not the rebellious Russian people, and not even the masses, but the 2nd wave, the "fighting detachment" of Masonic mercenaries, whose goal was to destroy Russia as a world phenomenon and Russian people as a carrier of a certain information gene code. The first wave was the “Februaryists” who tied the hands of the military and threw off the king (what is the king, such is the result). And then the guys in leather jackets turned around in full. It was a terrible time. What the hell kind of trouble? Troubles - this is when part of the elite plunges the country into chaos to achieve their own self-interest. Then, under the slogans of "freedom / equality / fraternity", a new elite came in, a vicious anti-Russian nerus, who was a cadet, a monarchist, a Socialist-Revolutionary - on the drum. And all this is beautifully covered from above by Ilyich’s "national-theoretical" research. He wrote the music of the revolution. Only the people who acted to this music were not the liberators of the people, but the new red masters. It was lucky that Stalin and his comrades later shot most of this frantic pack, and the rest were still forced to build socialism. For not shfig, subscribed - build.
    1. Royalist
      Royalist 5 July 2018 16: 34
      +1
      In some ways, you’re right: “they just played, they didn’t act on this music, but” .... “Comrades with a Russian pseudonym: Trotsky, Kamenev, Zinoviev and a great many others
      1. Each other
        Each other 5 July 2018 16: 55
        +1
        Well, Nikolai Romanov, the same Russian was only by name and surname. laughing
      2. Karenius
        Karenius 5 July 2018 22: 14
        0
        Quote: Royalist
        In some ways, you’re right: “they just played, they didn’t act on this music, but” .... “Comrades with a Russian pseudonym: Trotsky, Kamenev, Zinoviev and a great many others

        After 6 years, you will need Lazo fireboxes.
  5. Royalist
    Royalist 5 July 2018 16: 24
    0
    Quote: Weyland
    ©

    And here is the "fascist-terrorist alpenist organization"?
    1. ZIS
      ZIS 5 July 2018 18: 48
      0
      And who trained the edelweiss in the Caucasus?
  6. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 5 July 2018 21: 52
    +5
    About Duhonin
    The author collected all the gossip about the death of Dukhonin, there aren’t many of them on the Internet, but the soldier didn’t even bother to write about the reason for such a fierce attitude, he was also replaced by the Vrikipedia.
    The reason Dukhonin suddenly became so hated lies in the fact that he, with his last order, ordered him to be released from Bykhov prison a group of generals and senior officers who participated in the speech of General Kornilov. The one who owns the famous phrase, reflecting the whole essence of the white movement: “We went to power to hang, but we had to hang to come to power.”
    When the news that Kornilov, Denikin, Markov and other "Bykhovites" had left the place of detention came to the soldiers, just those whom Lavr Georgievich was going to hang, they became wildly furious.
    “Comrades, we let Kornilov escape, we released him from our hands. We will not release, at least, Duhonin! ” - roared the crowd and even Krylenko, the new Commander-in-Chief, the Bolshevik, could not stop them. The general was torn to pieces by an angry mass.
    Dukhonin did not recognize Soviet power, did not comply with the SNK order on the start of peace negotiations, thereby he became a counter-revolutionary. The author’s explanations that Dukhonin was allegedly preoccupied with the fact that the front would open, but this is only an idea for the exaltation of the general. In a conversation with SNK, not a word was said about this. The conversation was about peace talks, and not about the opening of the front.
    And in conclusion, a real pearl. I quote “By the way, after the reprisal against Dukhonin, the Bolsheviks tried to get his wife as well. Moreover, a substantial reward was even appointed for her head. ”
    And so it does not climb into any gates. Firstly, Dukhonin’s wife was at Headquarters at that time, took her body for several days and took him unhindered to Kiev. During this time, she could have been arrested a hundred times. Secondly, to promise a reward for the capture is not the method of the Soviet government, because there was no need for this, the new government had many voluntary assistants, and if there was such an order, they would have found it from underground.
    Remuneration for the head is the methods of the bourgeois authorities that do not enjoy the support of the people.
    And a few words about Krylenko
    Since the end of 1937, anonymous letters began to come to Krylenko in the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.) And personally to Stalin. He was accused of having links with the right-wing Bukharin, Tomsky and Uglanov, attributing to him the words that Stalin became a dictator, driving the country into a dead end. Perhaps he was a member of the anti-Soviet organization of the right, but most likely he was the victim of denunciations and slander. The time will come and Soviet historians will also deal with his case.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 6 July 2018 06: 54
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Green
      Since the end of 1937, anonymous letters began to come to Krylenko in the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.) And personally to Stalin. He was accused of having links with the right-wing Bukharin, Tomsky and Uglanov, attributing to him the words that Stalin became a dictator, driving the country into a dead end. Perhaps he was a member of the anti-Soviet organization of the right, but most likely he was the victim of denunciations and slander. The time will come and Soviet historians will also deal with his case.

      Do you not trust justice of the times of Stalin ?! am
      Krylenko all RECOGNIZED and SIGNED, incl. and in court: he led the organization with a view to intervention and occupation of the country by the Nazis. COURT RECOGNIZED IT traitor
      This accomplice of the invaders is for you a hero, yes ...
      Who would doubt that..
      1. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene 6 July 2018 15: 28
        +2
        Quote: Olgovich
        Do you not trust justice of the times of Stalin ?!
        Krylenko all RECOGNIZED and SIGNED, incl. and in court: he headed the organization for the purpose of intervention and occupation of the country by the Nazis. COURT declared him a traitor
        This accomplice of the invaders is for you a hero, yes ...

        The point is that at that time, many pests got into the NKVD and the courts, who deftly cooked up cases, and very convincingly. So with Krylenko. Anonymous letters were flowing. And then there was no time to understand.
        You too deftly slander, so you have to shovel a lot of information to expose you. So once again check and make sure - it will not hurt.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 6 July 2018 16: 15
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Green
          Quote: Olgovich
          Do you not trust justice of the times of Stalin ?! ......
          The COURT recognized him as a traitor. This accomplice of the invaders for you is a hero, yes ...

          .... So with Krylenko. Anonymous letters flowed ..
          In general, it’s not clear what you have to do with it, Alexander. ???? No one spoke during my life, did not consider either Dybenko, Krylenko, Antonov-Ovseenko or many other traitors. I always knew that “by their names.” ...... An entire generation grew up with these streets and a normal attitude. Moreover, many of them have children and grandchildren for a long time. Is there any kind of temporary imbalance. ?? .... some ??. At the same time, there used to be Khalturin Street, but now not. And Olgovich sits for himself in Moldova with one single thin training manual! And spin as you want !!!!! And you need to earn some money .... Already balls for the commercials ...
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 7 July 2018 10: 18
            +1
            Quote: Reptiloid
            ? During my lifetime, no one spoke, did not count, neither Dybenko, nor Krylenko, nor Antonov-Ovseenko and many others traitors.

            And under STALIN they convicted and were traitors- all his time. They are him SNK associatesHe knew them very well. Or was Stalin ... wrong ?! belay
            The Trotskyist Khrushchev justified the traitors.
            Do you support his decisions? Are you a Trotskyist? lol Yes
            An entire generation has grown up with these streets and a normal attitude. Not only that, many of them have children and grandchildren for a long time. Is there any kind of temporary imbalance. ?? .... some ??

            If you haven’t noticed the imbalance: by supporting Stalin, you .... deny his MOST IMPORTANT actions on personnel issues, namely the destruction of iconic figures of the first echelon ..
            But the actions of the despised you Khrushchev to justify these traitors -... you approve.
            HOW do you not wedge anything? Explain! request
            That
            And spin as you want !!!!!
            lol laughing
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 7 July 2018 19: 33
              +1
              Quote: Olgovich
              HOW do you not wedge anything? Explain!

              Enough to speculate, they have already explained to you: what happened and how. No one except you wedges. The time will come and we will understand everything and everyone ...
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 8 July 2018 09: 50
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Green
                Enough to speculate, they have already explained to you: what happened and how. No one except you wedges. The time will come and we will understand everything and everyone ...

                How and what happened is known: Stalin DESTROYED all SNK and ALL the first Politburo (their closest associates in SNK and PB) -like GESTAPO spies, intelligence, terrorists, bandits.
                For you, this is a hero and he and ...they are. belay fool lol
                Well, who are you after that? lol
                1. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 8 July 2018 18: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Well, who are you after that?

                  You platinka stuck, how much can you repeat the same thing?
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 9 July 2018 09: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    You have a plank you can repeat the same thing?

                    You did NOT answer ANYTHING. I will repeat the question:
                    Stalin killed the whole SNK and ALL the first Politburo (his closest associates in the SNK and PB), like GESTAPO spies, intelligence, terrorists, bandits, etc.
                    For you, this is a hero and he and ... they?!?! belay fool lol
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 7 July 2018 09: 49
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Green
          The business is that at that time both in the NKVD and in the courts sneaked through a lot of pests that cleverly cooked up things, and very convincingly. So with Krylenko. Anonymous letters were flowing. .

          How to get it ?! belay fool Plastunsky, through the back door? lol Yes to whole STATES to introduce their agents, even single ones, a whole story!
          And then the people themselves “made their way” and, acting at their own peril and risk, alone, without organization, created the crime, shaking the country! Do you realize what you're saying? fool
          Quote: Alexander Green
          Anonymous letters were flowing. And then to understand there was no time.

          Those. it's better shoot down was, just in case? fool lol
          In your opinion, the Stalinist court simply stamped the anonymous letters with the verdict “to shoot”.
          You thinkunder which baseboard Have you omitted the state that was then? or does it not reach you?
          1. Karenius
            Karenius 7 July 2018 16: 05
            +1
            Quote: Olgovich

            How to get it ?! Plastunsky, through the back door?

            I already wrote - how. Through the bed, as is done today ... Didn’t they look how they slipped Avakov’s boy to transfer the task?
            I gave an example for the Bolsheviks: the ardent Leninist Moskvin took a boy with the surname Yezhov to his house.
            This is the same Moskvin, whose appearance in the room with Alliluyev’s coffin, Stalin, who watched the guests through spread fingers, got up from the chair and “shared” grief with him.
          2. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 7 July 2018 19: 31
            +1
            Quote: Olgovich
            How to get it ?! Plastunsky, through the back door?

            And in your training manual isn't this process explained? Everything is very simple: dispossessed of the fist, sent, he escaped, straightened the fake certificate. entered the plant and on the recommendation of the plant is sent to work in the NKVD. I hope you understand how he then acts?
            Quote: Olgovich
            Those. was it better to shoot, just in case?
            In your opinion, the Stalinist court simply stamped the anonymous letters with the verdict “to shoot”.

            No, I didn’t stamp, understood, justified many, but there were cases when the courts, investigators from the former cooked up such documents that looked like real ones, and the laws were harsh. Beria then rehabilitated quite a few of them.
            And I repeat once again for the dull. The time will come and the Soviet people's court will check all cases and issue its fair verdict.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 8 July 2018 10: 05
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              Quote: Alexander Green
              And in your training manual isn't this process explained? Everything is very simple: dispossessed of the fist, sent, he escaped, straightened the fake certificate. entered the plant and on the recommendation of the plant is sent to work in the NKVD. I hope you understand how he then acts?

              This is written in YOUR training manual: you can’t invent more stupidity! I say again: for all this was needed powerful organization that would direct, finance, order hundreds of thousands of people — where and what to do. By itself, ONE person will NOT and can NOT do this, they will immediately break it.
              This was well understood and therefore invented by the endless right and spy centers funded from abroad
              Quote: Alexander Green
              No, I didn’t stamp, I understood, I justified many,

              Who was acquitted of KLIPS, liar? Zinoviev, Kamenev, Bukharin Radek and so forth ?! fool lol belay
              Quote: Alexander Green
              former investigators cooked up such documents

              Enough BADGERS: Surnames of ex-on-table investigators !.
              Quote: Alexander Green
              Beria then rehabilitated quite a few of them.

              Beria is the one whom trampled in mud Molotov, Kaganovich, Voroshilov and others. True Stalinists? Yes
              Quote: Alexander Green
              And I repeat once again for the dull. The time will come and soviet people's court will check all cases and issue a fair verdict.

              I do not understand: in the 30s, the court was NOT fair?
              And in the 50s too?
              And in the 60s, 70s, 80s?
              Those. with you, never been ?! belay
              By the way, this mythical court will revive the illegally destroyed?
              1. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene 8 July 2018 18: 31
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                Quote: Olgovich
                By the way, this mythical court will revive the illegally destroyed?

                Well, you read with interest when you get to the truth in the events that happened somewhere in the depths of history, Why this can not be done regarding the events of the new History?
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 9 July 2018 09: 15
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                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  Well, you read with interest when you get to the truth in the events that happened somewhere in the depths of history, Why this is impossible to do regarding the events of the new History?

                  What is impossible? Revive your innocent people killed? Yes, no!
                  But again you bob your head, not answering
                  : Who was acquitted from KLIPS, liar? Zinoviev, Kamenev, Bukharin Radek and so forth ?!

                  ENOUGH CHAIRS: Surnames of ex-ex-investigators!

                  Beria is the one that Molotov, Kaganovich, Voroshilov and other faithful Stalinists trampled into the mud?

                  Are you afraid, a very timid citizen? Scared!
                  1. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene 9 July 2018 21: 36
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                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Are you afraid, a very timid citizen? Scared!

                    Let it be to you, I have been many years old and I'm not afraid of anything. I’m just not sure that we now know the whole truth about our past. Now all this has done so much rubbish that only a public independent historical commission of Soviet power can clear it.
                    I don’t understand one thing, why are you so afraid that future historians should conduct an additional investigation on all past controversial events?
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 10 July 2018 09: 23
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                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      Let it be to you, I have been many years old and I'm not afraid of anything. I'm just not sure what we are now we know the whole truth about our past.

                      You do not know, but judge very confidently. belay At the same time, DO NOT WANT to know anything other than the Short Course.
                      Original documents today (which your carefully hid, why, by the way?) -Sea. Study, read, compose YOUR opinion.
                      But you are weaklings, afraid of the truth, which will destroy these facts with your benevolent illusory world of soc. paradise, which in reality, was not.
                    2. Alexander Greene
                      Alexander Greene 10 July 2018 16: 11
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                      Quote: Olgovich
                      But you are weaklings, afraid of the truth, which will destroy these facts with your benevolent illusory world of soc. paradise, which in reality, was not.

                      No, it's you who are afraid of the truth. Heaped up a bunch of lies, concocted a bunch of fakes. and now you’re afraid when real historians get to the bottom of the truth, look at YouTube - they sometimes erupt in the media.
                      And confidently, I only write about what I’m sure of, and if I’m not sure about something, I write that the time will come, and we will deal with this matter. And you stick your fakes into everyone’s nose and diligently impose them, although all that is written there is a lie and a matter of time to completely expose them.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 11 July 2018 10: 01
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                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        No, it's you afraid of the truth

                        belay
                        You deny the original sources-archival documents-tens and hundreds of thousands of units.
                        THIS IS THE FEAR OF TRUTH.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        And with confidence I only write about what I’m sure of, and if I’m not sure of something, I write that the time will come, and we we’ll figure it out. And you stick your fakes in everyone’s nose and impose them hard, although all that is written there is a lie and a matter of time to fully expose them.

                        Those. You have not figured out, but ALREADY know what it is-lie and fake. lol fool
                        Do you know what to write? fool
                      2. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene 11 July 2018 13: 13
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                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Those. You-YET not figured it out, but ALREADY know that this is a lie and "fake".

                        I see your lies and tricks right through, because you write something that a priori cannot be, you are engaged in slander and distortion of historical facts, and from the individual you do the general, replace the content with the form, mix the reasons with the investigation, etc. All normal people have long understood this readers of our forum.
  7. Old warrior
    Old warrior 5 July 2018 23: 11
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    Another bike about the "ba-a-arodny" generals and the "vile gang of brutalized Bolshevik cattle." Guys - get treated ..
  8. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 5 July 2018 23: 42
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    There was no need to send Lenin’s grandfather to mother, this is not forgiven.
  9. Loki_2
    Loki_2 6 July 2018 19: 06
    +2
    Watch from 21:12. Timing videos are not inserted correctly.

    Oh!?!
    It turns out that Dukhonin was torn to pieces for the decision to release Kornilov. And Krylenko, risking his life, tried to save him from lynching ... And the author corrupted the rest of the facts in order to smear his gavnets.
    How bad ...
  10. tasha
    tasha 7 July 2018 06: 31
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    It is interesting how NL Dukhonin reacted to the February Revolution and the actions of the Provisional Government, which, with its orders, began to ruin the army and the state ... Probably, once I entered its service, positively ...