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GRU special forces hunt for Super Cobra and the outcome of the Vietnam War

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After the end of World War II, specialists from the Main Intelligence Directorate of the USSR Ministry of Defense took part in a huge number of secret operations, many of which led to the death of leaders of various countries and political movements, as well as receiving top-secret materials about plans and new weapons potential adversaries.


Separately among these special operations is the abduction of the newest American helicopter AN-1G "Hugh Cobra". It gave a new impetus to the development of the domestic helicopter industry and made it possible to successfully modernize the Strela-2M man-portable air defense system, which became a real headache for Americans in Vietnam. Although ... officially nothing like this happened at all, and the leak of information about the most mysterious operation of the Soviet special services occurred only after some of its members decided to tell about the exploits of their youth before their death.

GRU special forces hunt for Super Cobra and the outcome of the Vietnam War


Landfill for testing new weapons

In the distant 1967 year, Vietnam was blazing in a fire of fratricidal civil war. The communist North was supported by China and the USSR, and the government of South Vietnam relied on US assistance, which introduced its own armed forces into the country.

In fact, the territory of this country has become a place for testing new types of weapons and tactics for conducting fundamentally new military operations, one of which was the infamous “carpet bombing” conducted by the Americans.

It is no secret to anyone that the fighters of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam went on the offensive after receiving new consignments of Soviet and Chinese weapons, and the American paratroopers helped fight off the Saigon armies. The Iroquois attack helicopters delivered punctuated strikes at the concentration centers of the Viet Cong partisans, but were very vulnerable to the Soviet Strela-2 MANPADS.

Shock non-killing "Super Cobras"

Everything changed on the eve of the new 1968 of the year. The powerful offensive on the US military bases deployed by North Vietnam literally choked on blood. This was due to the latest American AN-1G “Hugh Cobra” helicopters, literally on the eve of arrivals from the USA.

They had better armor protection, were extremely maneuverable, and easily avoided the attacks of the Strel, and the latest weapon systems made the Super Cobra a very serious combat unit.


Missile attack helicopter AN-1G "Hugh Cobra"

To accomplish these tasks, the AN-1G was equipped with missile launchers, 40 mm automatic grenade launchers, 7,62 mm machine guns and XM-3 cluster mines. aviation smoke devices made it possible to hide the exact location of the helicopter, reducing the effectiveness of the use of air defense systems.

Understanding that the situation was getting out of his control, Ho Chi Minh had to ask for help from the Soviet Union, which itself turned out to be completely unprepared for such a development of events.

Get a trophy at any cost

It was necessary to solve the arisen problem in the shortest possible time. As always in such cases, the military specialists of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the USSR Ministry of Defense were to come to the rescue. By that time in the jungles of Indochina, there were already several Soviet sabotage groups that possessed an extensive spy network.

Already by the spring of 1968, it was possible to establish that in the territory of Cambodia, in 30 km from the border with North Vietnam, is the top-secret American military air base Flying Joe. The fact that even the government of Cambodia did not know about the existence of an island in the impenetrable jungle of the American Air Force could indicate the level of secrecy.

The Flying Joe Air Base did not have a large size. It was based on several light and transport helicopters, as well as 4 shock "Super Cobras".



The main task of the pilots was the covert sabotage of sabotage and sniper groups into the jungles of North Vietnam, as well as the evacuation of the fighters after completing the combat mission. Helicopter pilots did not enter into direct confrontation with the Vietnamese army. They guarded the base carelessly, confident that nothing threatened them on the territory of sovereign Cambodia.

What was their shock when, on one of the days of May 1967, a group of thugs broke into the base, on the shape of which there were no identification marks! The attackers were no more than 10 people, but under their precise fire, only for the first 20 minutes of the battle, 15 Americans were killed.

But the most surprising was that the "partisans" managed to blow up three AN-1G, and on the fourth helicopter ... just flew away. On the battlefield, they left only the three corpses of their comrades who had a characteristic Asian appearance.

Hide your own shame

The American commandos that arrived on the scene of the accident could not identify the dead who did not have any documents with them. Even their small arms and knives turned out to be American, and there were no distinctive tattoos on their bodies.

As the GRU veterans later told, they were all ready for the fact that any special operation could be their last in life. Therefore, in addition to weapons and explosives, they carried with them capsules with a fast-acting poison, which they used in critical situations.


Special Forces Army of North Vietnam


The professionalism and lightning speed of the operation prompted the Americans that the work of the GRU special forces was in front of them, but no direct evidence of the presence of Soviet military experts on the Flying Joe was ever found.

The fact that the Americans themselves were on the territory of Cambodia illegally added a special piquancy to the situation. Political scandal was not needed by anyone. The dead soldiers and the burned down helicopters were called combat losses, and the missing Super Cobra - missing in the impassable jungles of North Vietnam.

Interestingly, in order to preserve secrecy, all the losses were spread on different dates, and the airbase itself was soon eliminated altogether. Only a few years later, through a KGB source, did the Americans learn about the USSR’s involvement in this operation, albeit without much detail.

Thoughts on real events

So where did the AN-1G Super Cobra helicopter go, which has never officially flown to any North Vietnamese base? Only a few people knew about it. Most of them have long been dead.

The indirect fact that the GRU special operation had a continuation is the fact that just a few days after the described events, several transport aircraft flew towards the USSR. Eyewitnesses claimed that there were details of some kind of flying structure in the carefully sealed boxes, as well as aircraft weapons of various types.

Without a doubt, our designers carefully studied the design features of the Super Cobra that fell into their hands, and some American know-how was borrowed and used in the construction of Soviet Mi-24 helicopters. The first flight of the legendary Crocodile was already carried out on 19 in September of 1970, and today the Soviet Mi-24 is considered the most common and effective attack helicopters in the world.


Modern Mi-24


By and large, we can only wait until all interested parties remove the secrecy regime and open the documents about the military operation, which, officially, never happened. We will dwell on one more event that significantly influenced the course of the Vietnam War, to which the GRU commandos could have a hand.

Super-weapon against AN-1G

At the beginning of 1970, the not very effective Strela-2 MANPADS underwent a serious modernization, turning into a portable anti-aircraft missile system Strela-2М that terrified the enemy. Today they rarely talk about it, but with the appearance of a new “Arrow” in Vietnam in 1972, the nature of the war has completely changed.

Prior to that, impunity felt Americans began to suffer very serious losses. What to talk about, if not well trained fighters of the North Vietnamese army were able to destroy the Americans' 204 flying targets in the remaining years of the war! To do this, they needed to make 598 launches, which is a very good result for that time.



Perhaps this is a coincidence, but the best goal was exactly the “Super Cobras”, which were perfectly captured by the sight of the “Arrow-2M” and fell, hit the most vulnerable spots.

The losses of the Americans have become extremely high, and popular protests against participation in the Vietnam War forced the Pentagon to agree to the withdrawal of troops from the territory of this long-suffering country. Left without military support, South Vietnam soon capitulated, and the country united under the leadership of the Communist Party and Comrade Ho Chi Minh.

Unknown victory of the Cold War

Today, the Soviet attack on the Flying Joe airbase speak only indirect facts. Official information as if struck out of the series of real events. But there are explanations with which it is difficult to disagree.

The fact is that the USA and the USSR acted illegally on the territory of Cambodia. And let this country did not enjoy special prestige in the world, but the brazen violation of its interests could greatly shake the political positions of the parties concerned. Nobody wanted to quarrel with the UN, so the little “party-crush” decided to just hush up. Moreover, the American special forces themselves have repeatedly conducted similar illegal operations.

All the fighters of the GRU special forces gave a lifelong non-disclosure subscription of events at the Flying Joe airbase. Only on their deathbed, some of the veterans, recalling the turbulent years of youth, told their relatives about her.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 7 July 2018 06: 28
    +22
    An interesting article .. there were times ... There were people ... Anecdote of those times ... The green berets tell us when they returned home how they were captured .. they came at us and kicked ... And with what hands? Hands they stretched their eyes ...
    1. Rhino
      Rhino 7 July 2018 20: 19
      +9
      In the photo, "special forces of North Vietnam" and four pale-faced snouts that are also Vietnamese?
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 7 July 2018 20: 36
        +6
        these are the descendants of the French - Vietnamese
      2. Oleg
        Oleg 7 July 2018 23: 23
        +2
        "Our pilot LiSiTsyn shot you down" / "Phantom", Soviet folk song /
      3. Thompson
        Thompson 8 July 2018 12: 50
        +14
        Snout? Do you also have a snout?
      4. Horse, people and soul
        Horse, people and soul 8 July 2018 21: 04
        +1
        Li Xi Qing is usually tall and pale-faced.
      5. 112-17
        112-17 10 July 2018 18: 09
        +5
        in the photo group MACV-SOG, they acted in Vietnam and in neighboring countries in the interests of MACV. Here's another photo apparently the same group, see the main upper extreme.
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 22 August 2018 21: 34
          +1
          Two in the top row and the far right are Vietnamese spilled.
      6. Vivan
        Vivan 3 October 2018 17: 29
        0
        I can’t identify the nationality of the pale-faced, but the Vietnamese are 100% South Vietnamese (pro-American) special forces!
    2. Mikado
      Mikado 8 July 2018 07: 17
      +24
      This is a rewritten article from a special forces book that I read as a teenager in 90. The very fact of hijacking a helicopter is a fake. There was no such thing. I, men, I understand everything - patriotic and all that. But there was no fact! Even if it were, no one would ever let it slip, my friends! soldier do not be offended, I cannot be accused of anti-patriotism wink drinks
      1. vkfriendly
        vkfriendly 8 July 2018 13: 37
        +20
        Yes, according to the story, it is clear that this is more like a military bike. Especially about how the whole squad flew away in a helicopter with the exception of three belay
      2. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 8 July 2018 13: 46
        +1
        Ohhhh ... Our modest website was visited by the Secretary General of the CPSU Central Committee !! No one else, dear comrade, can say that it WASN’T. Even the chief of the GRU of the General Staff of that time cannot, because the operation could not be carried out by its structure. You must be more modest ...
        1. Dooplet11
          Dooplet11 9 July 2018 11: 57
          +8
          Well yes. It was. The entire group (at least seven people), with the exception of the three remaining, loaded into a two-seat helicopter cockpit and flew away. And the pilot in the special group was superas, launched and lifted a super-secret car, without having an RLE. Everything is modest and tasteful. ))))
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 9 July 2018 17: 27
            +14
            Well, first of all, who said that everyone booted? Probably those who did not pursue them, huh? Since I did not want to get it, suspecting that there are still clippers in the form of a cut-off group on the way out. Security is, as I understand it, on an illegal base there was a smaller regiment ...
            And secondly, the American training course for helicopter pilots took from two to three months. Do you know this technique? How can you teach a couple of months to drive a fairly complex kid’s car from the street? Can...
            But there are other courses. There are those who teach management of everything that moves in general. Based on the general principles of designing and driving land vehicles. And they teach this, suddenly, to the intelligence elite and the GRU. In general, it is enough to first have a photo of the tidy and controls, as well as some explanations from the pilot. Of course, you can’t conduct an air battle like this, but it’s quite possible to jump and get out in a straight line.
            With the inherent pros of modesty.
            1. Dooplet11
              Dooplet11 10 July 2018 14: 37
              +3
              Oh well. Blessed is he who believes. In fairy tales.
            2. max702
              max702 14 August 2018 22: 54
              0
              Quote: Mikhail3
              And they teach this, suddenly, to the intelligence elite and the GRU.

              I don’t know how it used to be in the USSR, but the graduate of the Novosibirsk School of the GRU captain who passed through Chechnya was the last I taught to drive in category "B" .. this is? What are they taught there? To be honest, I was sure that the special forces can steer everything up to helicopters / airplanes .. True, the pilots friends were laughing at this like horses .. But not being able to drive a car for a special forces officer is somehow wild ..
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      4. RomanRoman
        11 July 2018 18: 16
        0
        Quote: Mikado
        This is a rewritten article from a special forces book that I read as a teenager in 90. The very fact of hijacking a helicopter is a fake. There was no such thing. I, men, I understand everything - patriotic and all that. But there was no fact! Even if it were, no one would ever let it slip, my friends! soldier do not be offended, I cannot be accused of anti-patriotism wink drinks

        So, the author directly writes “According to the official version, this event did not exist at all, although some elderly employees of the USSR GRU shortly before their death stated the opposite ...” Open the general page for viewing articles.
        Well, some visitors of the site do not like to read the written laughing
        I personally, myself do not know whether this is true or not.
        It is possible that such a thing could take place. Or maybe not. But the coincidences with the Mi-24 and "Arrow-2M" look interesting. Do not find Although it may also be a common coincidence.
        In any case, you read the article and commented without rudeness. From me personal respect drinks
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 11 July 2018 21: 33
          +3
          My friend, rudeness .. sometimes happens, but already on the forum. recourse And after that, I sometimes personally apologize. soldier Anything can happen. But the story was really printed, EMNIP, in the book "Special Forces" (or so), which he personally held in his hands as early as 16, in the late 90's. It was written, if not mistaken, based on newspaper articles. A fictional story. Which does not detract from the merits of our military. There were anti-aircraft gunners in Vietnam. Pilots - denied. Maybe the truth is, our special forces gave heat to the "green berets" somewhere in the jungle. But no one will say that! yes drinks
          You know, Roman, I started a couple of years ago with the nickname "Diplomat". what Tried to be cultural, to even reconcile someone, and all that. Happened? No! “People do not change” (Woland). And recently, sometimes the "tower is tearing down" from some categories of visitors. yes And I just don’t go to the first three sections of the forum so as not to get a negative charge - there is nothing to do there. hi thanks for the kind words. drinks With respect, Nicholai drinks
          1. Cresta999
            Cresta999 16 July 2018 16: 21
            +1
            I personally don’t know about the pilots, but besides air defense, OsNaz was definitely there. By the way, he did a good job there. :) I know a couple of interesting stories from there. The real ones.
        2. LastPS
          LastPS 21 July 2018 19: 17
          0
          I do not find any matches. Of course, the appearance of cobras influenced the creation of the Mi-24, as well as the appearance of the T-34 on the creation of the Panther, it is logical that successful solutions are copied. The tandem arrangement of the cobra crew, the machine gun installation in the nose turret, and indeed the very concept of an attack helicopter specially tailored for these tasks, and not just being a modification of the production car, is a merit of the Americans and their Vietnamese experience. I did not hear at all that the arrow successfully hit the cobras with respect to other types, and from a purely logical point of view, it was much more robust to strike an attack helicopter, equipped with a smoke jamming system and exhaust gas exhaust into the plane of rotation of the screw, I think it’s much more difficult "flying minibuses" of the Iroquois. Arrow-2m is more effective than two in the fight against any type of aircraft, simply because it took into account the experience of the previous one.
  2. Baloo
    Baloo 7 July 2018 06: 56
    +21
    What was their shock when, on one of the days of May 1967, a group of thugs broke into the base, on the shape of which there were no identification marks! The attackers were no more than 10 people, but under their precise fire, only for the first 20 minutes of the battle, 15 Americans were killed.
    But the most surprising was that the "partisans" managed to blow up three AN-1G, and on the fourth helicopter ... just flew away. On the battlefield, they left only the three corpses of their comrades who had a characteristic Asian appearance.

    Respect and respect for veterans and current "thugs." good drinks hi
  3. WATCH_OFFICER
    WATCH_OFFICER 7 July 2018 07: 02
    +9
    Quote: Vard
    there were times ... there were people ...

    Times are even more interesting now, I think that people are no worse ... We don’t know, and most likely we won’t know what secret operations our special forces in Syria are doing now ...

    PS I have not heard before for a joke +.
    1. Siberian 63
      Siberian 63 8 July 2018 18: 40
      +3
      preparing the ground for Gazprom, which is not clear.
    2. Gennadich
      Gennadich 11 July 2018 01: 28
      0
      yeah, operations in Syria are good ... they won’t be able to move even in small groups, placing at least one man-gun’s surface around the perimeter and dying like a dash
  4. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 7 July 2018 07: 22
    +8
    At the beginning of the article: "..They had the best armor protection, were extremely maneuverable and easily dodged Strel’s attacks ..
    In the end; .. "it was Super Cobras that were the best target, which were perfectly captured by the sight of the new Strela-2M and fell, struck in the most vulnerable places ... request
    1. Razvedka_Boem
      Razvedka_Boem 7 July 2018 08: 03
      +16
      The author hints that just as a result of the abduction of the Super Cobra, it was possible to modernize the Strela MANPADS.
      1. RomanRoman
        7 July 2018 11: 40
        +8
        Quote: Razvedka_Boem
        The author hints that just as a result of the abduction of the Super Cobra, it was possible to modernize the Strela MANPADS.

        Absolutely right. Moreover, the article says it almost directly hi
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 7 July 2018 16: 13
          +23
          Quote: RomanRoman
          Absolutely right. Moreover, the article says it almost directly

          Sorry, but you don’t understand what you’re writing about. The publication is called:
          Hunting for GRU special forcesSuper Cobra"And the outcome of the Vietnam War
          . The single engine AN-1G Huey Cobra and the twin-engine AH-1W Super Cobra that appeared in the 1983 year are completely different modifications.
          How to understand this:
          Perhaps this is a coincidence, but the best goal was exactly the “Super Cobras”, which were perfectly captured by the sight of the “Arrow-2M” and fell, hit the most vulnerable spots.
          ? You certainly will not make it difficult to explain how the "sight" of MANPADS captured "the most vulnerable places." My husband, who at one time thoroughly studied this complex, read it laughing loudly!

          Even if you do not take into account the absolutely unsubstantiated allegations regarding the hijacking of an unfamiliar rotary-winged car, from whose base the existence from the field of mythology, the question arises how did the 7 man flew away on a two-seater car? wassat
          And yet, dear Roman, tell me what kind of modification in this photo, and what does it have to do with what is stated in the publication?
          1. merkava-2bet
            merkava-2bet 8 July 2018 00: 55
            +3
            An experienced combat helicopter <model 309> AN-1 King Cobra was indeed a very advanced machine, and there were two modifications, for the Ground Forces and the naval one, the differences were only in the number of gas turbine engines, the marine had two gas turbine engines.
            The first flight of the sea King Cobra was in 1971, and in 1972 a land variant flew, and both cars were created without an order from the MO, it was an initiative development at the expense of the company, but it did not go into production due to the high cost, almost 10 times more expensive than AH-1G.
            Here are a couple of pictures
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              1. merkava-2bet
                merkava-2bet 8 July 2018 01: 54
                +3
                I didn’t want to offend Olya, and I’m very happy about her comments, but I’d like to explain to other comrades that there were experimental machines based on one helicopter helicopter, and since I’m sitting with a tablet at work where there’s no Internet, I’m probably wrong address, a thousand apologies for Olya.
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 8 July 2018 02: 00
                  +6
                  Quote: merkava-2bet
                  I didn’t want to offend Olya, and I’m very happy about her comments, but I’d like to explain to other comrades that there were experimental machines based on one helicopter helicopter, and since I’m sitting with a tablet at work where there’s no Internet, I’m probably wrong address, a thousand apologies for Olya.

                  Andrei, I am sure that Olya will not be offended, she is extremely adequate for a girl!
                  She drew the attention of a respected author in the photo. experienced car, which is there in general, "neither to the village, not to the city." request
          2. merkava-2bet
            merkava-2bet 8 July 2018 01: 59
            +3
            By the way, you can stupid question, and what is the modification in the photo, like the ski chassis was removed only on the first experimental machines AN-1, and then refused.
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 8 July 2018 02: 53
              +4
              Quote: merkava-2bet
              By the way, you can stupid question, and what is the modification in the photo, like the ski chassis was removed only on the first experimental machines AN-1, and then refused.

              Why stupid? Not at all! request As you rightly noted, this is the first prototype of the Cobra. Later Bell's specialists refused from the retractable chassis, so it didn’t give much attention to the characteristics, but it made the helicopter harder and more expensive. By the way, Mi-35M, the chassis also did not retract.
      2. Bongo
        Bongo 7 July 2018 15: 35
        +15
        Quote: Razvedka_Boem
        The author hints that just as a result of the abduction of the Super Cobra, it was possible to modernize the Strela MANPADS.

        Excuse me, how could a hypothetical abduction of AN-1 help in the modernization of Strela-2М. In general, the article is frankly full of inaccurate information. In addition, the author, who respects himself and his readers, is obliged to indicate the sources. negative
        1. Razvedka_Boem
          Razvedka_Boem 7 July 2018 17: 56
          +1
          Excuse me, how could a hypothetical "abduction" of AN-1 help modernize Strela-2M MANPADS?

          In the case of a hypothetical hit by a helicopter in the USSR, perhaps its study was the impetus for the modernization of the Arrow - they increased the power of the warhead, updated the electronics, etc.
          1. Mooh
            Mooh 7 July 2018 20: 27
            +9
            From a hypothetically caught helicopter there should be material traces and documents in the archives. But for some reason they are not. Well, Olga subtly hinted that the whole story doesn’t agree on dates and facts.
            In short, the article is bullshit in its most severe form.
          2. Bongo
            Bongo 8 July 2018 01: 41
            +6
            Quote: Razvedka_Boem
            In the case of a hypothetical hit by a helicopter in the USSR, perhaps its study was the impetus for the modernization of the Arrow - they increased the power of the warhead, updated the electronics, etc.

            This is not documented, the creation of a Strela-2M MANPADS began before "a hypothetical helicopter hit occurred." Thermal signature "Cobra" almost corresponds to the thermal portrait of the helicopter UH-1 Iroquois, which began to be used much earlier than the AN-1G. In addition, the main goal for the Strela-2M was from the very beginning jet planes of tactical and deck aircraft.
  5. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 7 July 2018 07: 29
    +31
    Cranberries They cannot even compose believable ...
    1. Alf
      Alf 7 July 2018 08: 35
      +2
      Quote: Puncher
      Cranberries They cannot even compose believable ...

      Why do you think so ?
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 7 July 2018 10: 21
        +19
        I also tend to cranberry version. Although the basis of the events could be real, the event was not so brilliantly executed as described. However, this is just my opinion. The author’s dilettantism issue phrases
        [/ quote] "Super Cobras", which were perfectly captured by the sight of the new "Arrows-2M" and fell, amazed to the most vulnerable places.
        и
        some American know-how was borrowed and used in the construction of the Soviet Mi-24 helicopters. [quote]

        IC GOS "Strela-2m" saw only one place - the engine nozzle, and saw it well. So what about the "place" is not necessary here. And to compare machines of fundamentally different classes (MI-24 and Super Cobra) is also not worth it.
        Again, such a reverent attitude towards the UN and international law by the two superpowers of that time seems doubtful.
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 7 July 2018 11: 44
          +17
          Quote: Aviator_
          I also tend to cranberry version.

          And I agree with you. Well, for example, this article is a rehash of the article that appeared in No. 4 (597) of 1.02.18 ["Arguments of the Week", author Alexander Kondrashov.
          In the Arguments of the Week
          The greatest danger was represented by 15 "green berets", preparing for the transfer under Hanoi. It was the elite of American special forces - the cool Rambo.

          Our commandos were fewer - only 10 soldiers. But, taking advantage of the surprise, they made a daring attack on the base of "Flying Joe."

          Within 20 minutes, 15 American Green Berets were destroyed, three Super Cobra helicopters were blown up, and the fourth was hijacked to North Vietnam.

          For a reprint artist who identifies himself as Zablotsky Roman, this moment is described as
          Helicopters did not enter into direct confrontations with the Vietnamese army. They guarded the base after the sleeves, being confident that nothing threatened them in the territory of sovereign Cambodia.
          What was their shock when, on one of the days of May 1967, a group of thugs broke into the base, on the shape of which there were no identification marks! The attackers were no more than 10 people, but under their precise fire, only for the first 20 minutes of the battle, 15 Americans were killed.

          Further in the "source"
          The AN-1G "Super Cobra" helicopter, officially taking off from the Flying Joe air base, did not cross the Cambodian-Vietnamese border. However, a few days later several transport planes flew towards the USSR, exporting parts of the disassembled latest American helicopter.

          "Our" Roman has such a novel
          So where did the AN-1G Super Cobra helicopter go, which officially hasn’t flown to any North Korean base? Only a few people knew about this. Most of them have long been dead.
          An indirect fact that the GRU special operation was continued is the fact that just a few days after the events described, several transport planes flew towards the USSR. Eyewitnesses claimed that in carefully sealed boxes were parts of some kind of flying structure, as well as aviation weapons of various types

          Well and further on in the text.
          That's how many I have not read the recollections of our veterans who participated in this Vietnam conflict, for some reason everyone indicates that they arrived in Vietnam by sea, some of the goods were delivered in sealed wagons via China, which was no longer friendly to us ... Flight transport from the USSR to Vietnam as they don’t look anywhere, and on what plane could the BTA fly to Vietnam then? An-8 or An-12? Which route? China fell away immediately. Option around China and Korea range does not allow. An-22? So he began to enter service after the events described. There is only one way to get into the USSR, like all other trophies ... Well, I would like to clarify such a moment, unknown thugs left three corpses on the battlefield, according to the science fiction writer and his friend, the attacker was 10 (or about 10), that is, 7 (seven) people survived. QUESTION how 7 people could fit in a double helicopter !!! Well, the second is where in this group came the man who knows how to fly a top-secret American helicopter? !!! They blew up three helicopters, and flew off in the fourth, questions further, how did they determine that the helicopter was ready to fly, that all the blocks, all the equipment was in place, how did they immediately determine that the helicopter was working properly refueled and ready to launch? I would like to ask a plagiarist if he ever saw a helicopter launch, what means are used for this, and how many personnel are involved for this? The answer - that helicopters can be operated autonomously from field sites - is not accepted, first of all, there are tools for launching and maintenance on the field sites, for a one-time landing / take-off, the argument does not work, for a number of reasons I’m just too lazy to describe. And there were helicopters at a stationary aerodrome, which imposes some restrictions on aircraft that are parked.
          For those who read this or a similar Liberda, at least sometimes logically try to think. And then you will begin to distinguish “forget-me-not from ...” this is from Filatov, “The Tale of Fedot the Sagittarius”. And do not haw it ... like unprecedented revelations of the direct participants on his deathbed ... Just imagine how crowds of journalists are sitting and waiting for a call from inconsolable relatives of a dying bearer of secrets. Presented ?!
          1. RomanRoman
            7 July 2018 12: 11
            +4
            Quote: Fitter65
            Well, for example, this article is a rewrite of the article that appeared in 4 No. (597) from 1.02.18 [“Arguments of the Week” by Alexander Kondrashov.

            Must categorically upset you. The author did not see the article indicated by you or even knew about its existence. This is the first. And second, dozens of publications have written about this special operation over the years, so blaming the author for plagiarism is at least not correct. I have no doubt that such a critic as you will not even try to apologize, so let all the vileness you spill will be on your conscience. And to believe or not to believe the article, which directly states that direct evidence of the incident does not exist, everyone's business.
            1. RomanRoman
              7 July 2018 12: 17
              +1
              Quote: RomanRoman
              Well, for example, this article is a rewrite of the article that appeared in 4 No. (597) from 1.02.18 [“Arguments of the Week” by Alexander Kondrashov.

              And the funny thing that can surprise you, Mr. Fitter65 (Alexander.). And I understand that Alexander Kondrashov is you? Do not remember which article you personally did rewrite? I will. This is the article "The Most Mysterious Operation of the Russian Special Services", published on https://www.eg.ru/society/439131/ on 22 December 2017 of the year under my authorship. If podvorovyvat topics you don’t have to blame others for this.
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 7 July 2018 16: 38
                +12
                Quote: RomanRoman
                And the funny thing that can surprise you, Mr. Fitter65 (Alexander.). And I understand that Alexander Kondrashov is you?

                Roman, though I am not personally acquainted with Alexander (Fitter65) personally, but we served with him in some places and he, judging by the comments, has the knowledge that a person far from the armed forces and aviation simply cannot possess. request
                In my opinion, you are too carried away with “journalism”, publish absolutely inaccurate information and undertake to write about what you know very little about. hi
                1. RomanRoman
                  7 July 2018 16: 57
                  0
                  Quote: Bongo
                  Quote: RomanRoman
                  And the funny thing that can surprise you, Mr. Fitter65 (Alexander.). And I understand that Alexander Kondrashov is you?

                  Roman, though I am not personally acquainted with Alexander (Fitter65) personally, but we served with him in some places and he has the knowledge that a person far from the armed forces and aviation cannot possess. request
                  In my opinion, you are too carried away with “journalism”, publish absolutely inaccurate information and undertake to write about what you know very little about. hi

                  very bad that wanting to whiten your friend, you did not pay attention to what he wrote. In addition, you are trying to condemn the author without even reading his articles carefully. Very sad
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo 8 July 2018 01: 52
                    +10
                    Quote: RomanRoman
                    very bad that wanting to whiten your friend, you did not pay attention to what he wrote.

                    How did you decide that I am trying to whitewash someone? In addition, I have already indicated that I am not personally acquainted with Alexander, although perhaps we had once seen each other.
                    Quote: RomanRoman
                    In addition, you are trying to condemn the author without even reading his articles carefully. Very sad

                    Let's elaborate, what do you disagree with?
                    With the fact that it is very sad that you are confused in the modifications of the helicopter?
                    With the fact that you absolutely do not know the history of the appearance and combat use of Strela-2M MANPADS?
                    So that you have no idea about the design and how this MANPADS functions?
                    Due to the fact that it is impossible to fly a two-seat helicopter to a rather large group of special forces?
                    With the fact that you are absolutely not familiar with the secret clerical work?
                    Or how are aircraft tested and how many people participate in them?
                    Shortly after the end of the Vietnam War, the American F-5E fighter and A-37 attack aircraft were tested in the USSR, and later it received wide publicity.
                    With all due respect, but I am proceeding from the many blunders of a technical nature, logical and temporary inconsistencies, with regret I have to state that this publication is a “artistic whistle”.
            2. Fitter65
              Fitter65 7 July 2018 14: 53
              +5
              [quote = RomanRoman] I must absolutely upset you. The author did not see the article you specified and did not even know about its existence. [/ Quote]
              Of course I believe you, can there be any doubt ...
              [quote = RomanRoman] And the funny thing is that you, Mr. Fitter65 (Alexander.) may surprise you. And so I understand that Alexander Kondrashov is this you? [/ Quote]
              Link "pzhzhalsta" if you can, and here at least the first ten editions that wrote about this indicate. At the expense of "insult" that you called a plagiarist, so the first in February wrote
              ".... the new AN-1G Hugh Cobra helicopter. Super Cobras ...,"
              You do not hesitate to write
              "It was based on several light and transport helicopters, as well as 4 attack" Super Cobras. "
              For the overall development of "Modifications Bell AH-1" Cobra "
              Helicopter AN 1 Cobra was produced in the following modifications:

              AH-1G - serial modification.
              AN-1E - modification with a nose turret for a 20-mm four-barreled gun.
              AH-1F - A modification created to combat tanks.
              AH-1J Sea Cobra - a helicopter with improved power characteristics - two Pratt-Whitney RT6T-3 engines with a total capacity of 1800 hp were installed.
              AN-1P - modification with fiberglass blades.
              AH-1Q - modification for the fight against tanks.
              AH-1R, S - modifications, including a four-blade main rotor, a more powerful engine and advanced electronic equipment.
              AN-1T - development of the AH-1J modification, engine power increased to 2050 hp
              AH-1W Super Cobra is an improved version of the AN-1T, which included Hellfire anti-tank missiles using a laser guidance system, Stinger or Sidewinder class missiles. Deliveries of the AH-1W Super Cobra began in 1985.] [/ quote]
              The truth is that a hellocopter nicknamed Super Cobra went into the army in 1985, this is a minor misunderstanding. Well, I did not believe Wikipedia, I opened the directory “Aviation of the capitalist states” for 1975, and there was only AN-1 G “Hugh Cobra”.
              [quote = RomanRoman] And the funny thing is that you, Mr. Fitter65 (Alexander.) may surprise you. And so I understand that Alexander Kondrashov is this you? [/ Quote]
              Why did you decide that this brother of your intellect is Me? Why did you decide that I’m not Macedonian, Nevsky or Pokryshkin, not only that they are also Alexandra, but I’m also the fellow countryman Aleksanra Ivanovich ...
              [quote = RomanRoman] If you steal themes. then do not blame others for this. [/ quote]
              Unlike you, I don’t suffer from literary masturbation, all the more not well-reasoned, not confirmed, and even suffering from technical illiteracy ... Also to increase your intelligence from TTX AN-1 [quote] The mass of an empty helicopter is 2993 kg. [/ quote] and this is from the TTX An-12 of the main transport aircraft of the USSR Military Technical Aviation for 1968 [quote] The maximum carrying capacity is 17 kg. [/ quote]
              As Dmitry Brekotkin from the Ural Dumplings says - SKOKA-SKOKA.
              So I would like to know the lope-lope you need transport planes to transport one disassembled helicopter. AAA! There is !!! Found, in 1968, the An-2 were also part of the BTA. Here they can really be identified as [quote] several transport planes flew towards the USSR. [/ quote]
              Again, the US airbases that were in Indochina at that time were completely legal.
              And I also liked the caption under the photo [quote] Modern Mi-24 [/ quote]
              Well, you don’t know how to say it correctly, but you yourself find the offensive synonym for the word TUPO, stick a photo of the Czech Air Force Mi-24D in the article when they have more modern 20 Mi-35s (as of 2016). But judging by your article for you that the AN-1G with AH-1W, that the Mi-24D with the Mi-35 does not make any difference ....
          2. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 7 July 2018 12: 13
            +9
            Yes, I did not pay attention to the description of the "delivery" of cargo from there to our BTA. I agree, this is an extremely bloated patriotic fake, taken from a dubious source - "Arguments of the Week."
            1. RomanRoman
              7 July 2018 17: 01
              +1
              Quote: Aviator_
              Yes, I did not pay attention to the description of the "delivery" of cargo from there to our BTA. I agree, this is an extremely bloated patriotic fake, taken from a dubious source - "Arguments of the Week."


              Why are you lying? I wrote the original source in the form of an article I wrote https://www.eg.ru/society/439131/

              Which is your dubious source and reprinted. Do you like to shield your companion who directly accused me of plagiarism. Not ashamed? Or admit it can not?
              1. Fitter65
                Fitter65 9 July 2018 16: 53
                +3
                Quote: RomanRoman
                Why are you lying? I wrote the original source in the form of an article I wrote https://www.eg.ru/society/439131/

                I write myself, I refer to myself as a documentary evidence ...
                Quote: RomanRoman
                Which your dubious source and reprinted.

                And why do you consider it a dubious source and what exactly did he reprint?
                Quote: Fitter65
                No 4 (597) dated 1.02.18 [“Arguments of the Week”, author Alexander Kondrashov.

                By the way, he so convincingly led to the fact that this case could be.
                Quote: RomanRoman
                Do you like to fence off your accomplice, who directly accused me of plagiarism. Not ashamed? Or admit it is impossible?

                And with whom is this comrade, whom do you blame as an accomplice, is a criminal connection? By the way, I explain to you that to the author Alexander Kondrashov, I have the same attitude as you to knowing what you are writing about, that is, NOTHING ...
                And at the expense of the first drawing in both articles
                Flight tests of the “Cobra” showed that cleaning the chassis only slightly improves flight performance, but complicates and makes the car heavier. On subsequent Cobras, a fixed ski chassis was installed, as in the Hugh.

                It turns out that the helicopter with tail number N209J is a prototype of the AN-1G. And not even Attac Helicopter, and he has a relationship with Super Cobra as well as your knowledge, so I would like to quote
                Quote: RomanRoman
                Not ashamed?

                to show their ignorance, not professionalism and graphomania?
                Quote: RomanRoman
                Or admit it is impossible?

                You can admit, at least to yourself, the audience has already seen this. Therefore, please try to print your opus where you are valued on your printer, there you can raise the circulation, but there are no critics.
          3. Locksmith
            Locksmith 10 July 2018 10: 51
            0
            Quote: Fitter65
            QUESTION how 7 people could fit in a two-seater helicopter !!! Well, the second is where in this group came the man who knows how to fly a top-secret American helicopter? !!!

            Helicopters have a typical control scheme, even helicopter pilots master it within half an hour = everything is so similar.
            For example, the left stick of the model console -step -gas -ruder, often use a speed tutor, then forward (up lever) = increase the pitch - fly up, down-down. The right stick is the elevator-aileron handle, rocked left, tilts to the left, and so on = we control the swashplate, pedals are the ruder, on the model console the left stick is responsible for this with the same result, rocked to the left (pressed the right pedal) = the helicopter face went to the left. It is difficult to work out the motor skills of movement, but it is very similar. At competitions, foreign pilots climb into the cabin of our turntables and steer without problems (similarly to models)
            Even KA52 could take two more people into the cockpit, for a total of four, you can fly close by and fasten yourself with arms pylons. wink
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 10 July 2018 15: 25
              +4
              Quote: Locksmith
              Helicopters have a typical control scheme, even helicopter pilots master it within half an hour = everything is so similar.

              May be. So much it seems that the pilot of the aircraft has been trained in specialized schools for several years. If I understand you correctly, then the problem can be solved simply, we recruited helicopter pilots and simplicity designers, ready-made combat pilots. And our Moscow Region spends so much money on training. I will tell you more in Voronezh there is a military school, so there is a faculty where future officers, UAV control specialists are trained, but not one of them is allowed to control a controlled aircraft. Your argument in favor of the fact that he came and flew did not stand up to any criticism. Judging by your post, you are very far from big aviation.
              Quote: Locksmith
              At competitions, foreign pilots climb into the cabin of our turntables and steer without problems (similarly to models)

              What does it look like? Like, the driver met Kamazm and Volvo, in the parking lot, give the steering wheel, but try it without any problems. Have you ever seen a manual for flight operations in your eyes? There, by the way, all cases are very specifically described, how and under what conditions, he can "sit down and steer without problems." That is, this is the argument of a person who is completely unaware of the elementary.
              Quote: Locksmith
              Even the KA52 could take two more people into the cockpit, for a total of four, you can fly close by and fasten yourself with arms pylons

              The fact that the KA-52 can take in the cabin except for the crew another 2 (TWO? !!!!!) people, in neither the technical description nor in the brochures of the company Kamov did not meet, if not difficult you could not on the layout scheme of the cabin of this helicopter to indicate where they fit ?. The fact that for the mobile transfer of the helicopter to the jump airfield there is a set of hanging containers, for various equipment it is, it also says that the hanging container has the ability to transport technical staff.
              Yes, and please specify how you can fly close fastened to arms pylons?
              First of all, how to fasten your seat belt? Soldier belt or officer belt?
              Secondly, how and why on this pylon can you fasten your seatbelt? Have you even just seen this pylon about which you write close? Sorry, but your comment is the same nonsense of inflamed consciousness as the article we are discussing. hi bully
  6. Fox
    Fox 7 July 2018 07: 31
    +3
    Yesterday was a holiday, Office Day ... veterans and retirees gathered ... the old people also told a lot of interesting things about the service))))
    you must remember the story, know and honor the Heroes, align with them.
  7. avia12005
    avia12005 7 July 2018 08: 21
    +3
    Why does the Russian Federation use nuclear weapons against the enemy, if there are GRU special forces? Such a unit would disable Britain in a day. fellow
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 7 July 2018 14: 23
      +4
      Quote: avia12005
      Why does the Russian Federation use nuclear weapons against the enemy, if there are GRU special forces? Such a unit would disable Britain in a day. fellow

      There is no "GRU special forces" in the RF Armed Forces.
    2. Locksmith
      Locksmith 10 July 2018 10: 54
      +1
      Quote: avia12005
      Why does the Russian Federation use nuclear weapons against the enemy, if there are GRU special forces? Such a unit would disable Britain in a day. fellow

      Indeed, bulls impregnated with a "beginner" and voila were scattered everywhere belay
  8. bandabas
    bandabas 7 July 2018 08: 25
    +6
    I will not argue. But! Yesterday once again I went to the library .... There is nothing to read, continuous "popadanets". If only that ... And, a question. It seems the author has reread "action movies".
    1. Locksmith
      Locksmith 10 July 2018 11: 01
      +1
      Quote: bandabas
      It seems the author has reread "action movies".

      There are books that do not fall into civilian libraries, for example, “The Vietnam War Experience” in the appendix, for example, to the air defense forces, in particular to the S-75 complex, there are a lot of interesting things. How they got away from the retaliation strike by simply chopping up the cables and taking out the cabin P with uncomplicated antennas and spread outriggers belay who served at 75 represents this haemorrhoids - restore the cable network, but it is many times cheaper to lose 3 cabins at once.
  9. nekromonger
    nekromonger 7 July 2018 09: 55
    +2
    Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t ... everything is rumored and according to the stories.
  10. TatrA-50
    TatrA-50 7 July 2018 10: 43
    +1
    Just not the Main Intelligence Directorate, the Main Directorate
  11. Royalist
    Royalist 7 July 2018 13: 41
    +2
    Quote: Balu
    What was their shock when, on one of the days of May 1967, a group of thugs broke into the base, on the shape of which there were no identification marks! The attackers were no more than 10 people, but under their precise fire, only for the first 20 minutes of the battle, 15 Americans were killed.
    But the most surprising was that the "partisans" managed to blow up three AN-1G, and on the fourth helicopter ... just flew away. On the battlefield, they left only the three corpses of their comrades who had a characteristic Asian appearance.

    Respect and respect for veterans and current "thugs." good drinks hi

    I join your opinion: a bow to such guys
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 7 July 2018 18: 07
      +3
      Quote: Royalist
      I join your opinion: a bow to such guys

      I read komenty, fell into a stupor. So was the special operation and theft of the helicopter or not?
      Be that as it may, respect to all who honestly and conscientiously serves the homeland, died or died from wounds and diseases received during execution. It’s just possible to regret that their names are not called streets, they are not told at the solemn rulers. hi
  12. Royalist
    Royalist 7 July 2018 13: 53
    +1
    Quote: Aviator_
    I also tend to cranberry version. Although the basis of the events could be real, the event was not so brilliantly executed as described. However, this is just my opinion. The author’s dilettantism issue phrases
    Super Cobras, which were perfectly captured by the sight of the new Strela-2M and fell, struck to the most vulnerable places.
    и
    some American know-how was borrowed and used in the construction of the Soviet Mi-24 helicopters.

    IC GOS "Strela-2m" saw only one place - the engine nozzle, and saw it well. So what about the "place" is not necessary here. And to compare machines of fundamentally different classes (MI-24 and Super Cobra) is also not worth it.
    Again, such a reverent attitude towards the UN and international law by the two superpowers of that time seems doubtful.

    That the author is not a specialist is not in doubt. I agree with you, which casts doubt on the "bashfulness" of the amers. In the Soviet Union, if this was in the interests of the state, they could also “forget” some UN provisions
  13. Royalist
    Royalist 7 July 2018 14: 19
    +4
    Quote: avia12005
    Why does the Russian Federation use nuclear weapons against the enemy, if there are GRU special forces? Such a unit would disable Britain in a day. fellow

    As for Britain, I do not know, but, something smaller, please. In the 70s, in the Republic of Cape Verde, a coup d'etat occurred and the "progressive" president was overthrown. At night 4 of our commandos seized the president’s palace and local television and held onto power until the "legitimate president" appeared
  14. Doliva63
    Doliva63 7 July 2018 14: 19
    +6
    Lifetime subscription does not exist. Units of the USSR Armed Forces did not fight there. Why replicate rumors?
    1. faiver
      faiver 7 July 2018 19: 32
      +2
      where not to fight? did they just "advise"?
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 7 July 2018 20: 44
        +3
        Quote: faiver
        where not to fight? did they just "advise"?

        In vietnam. Advised and instructed, yes. I know about this from both ours and the Vietnamese. Perhaps some organizational special events were held, but did not hear. And the described episode does not even pull on the script.
        1. faiver
          faiver 7 July 2018 20: 56
          +2
          And the described episode does not even pull on the script
          - it’s just pulling on the script, but ours cannot be removed, it will be worse than the “tanks” laughing
          Advised and instructed
          - my grandfather was there along this line hi
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 7 July 2018 22: 03
            +3
            Quote: faiver
            And the described episode does not even pull on the script
            - it’s just pulling on the script, but ours cannot be removed, it will be worse than the “tanks” laughing
            Advised and instructed
            - my grandfather was there along this line hi

            Thank you to your grandfather for the victory of the Vietnamese people! No irony. drinks
      2. RomanRoman
        7 July 2018 22: 12
        0
        Quote: faiver
        where not to fight? did they just "advise"?


        And the submitted photo of the Vietnamese special forces - the usual fake. And in fact, they simply selected pale and tall Vietnamese mutants lol hi
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 8 July 2018 04: 40
          +12
          Quote: RomanRoman
          And the submitted photo of the Vietnamese special forces - the usual fake. And in fact, they simply selected pale and tall Vietnamese mutants


          Sorry, but how can you prove that in this photo it is North Vietnamese, not South Vietnamese special forces, and Russians, not Americans? The physiognomies of the Europeans are clearly not Slavic. No.

          Moreover, after downloading this photo to a search engine, in most cases in foreign sources, it is identified as an image in which the US military. Everyone can easily verify this.
          I certainly understand that "sensational" fake information increases the number of likes and views. But at the same time, the author should understand that this extremely negatively affects his reputation and trust in what he writes to readers will not. VO already has an “analyst” who regularly writes outright nonsense, for example, about a missile defense system in the Kuril Islands. I am sure that two such "experts" for the site will already be bust. wassat
          1. Hole puncher
            Hole puncher 8 July 2018 06: 44
            +4
            Quote: zyablik.olga
            I’m sure that two of these "specialists" for the site will already be too much

            You can’t say better ...
          2. RomanRoman
            9 July 2018 12: 42
            -1
            zyablik.olga (Olga), instead of improving your verbiage and wanting to demonstrate your knowledge of the question, throw me the address of the analyst you called.
            He may well be an adequate and worthy person, since he is tearing you away from him.
            Thanks in advance for your help.
            1. zyablik.olga
              zyablik.olga 12 July 2018 15: 28
              +3
              Quote: RomanRoman
              zyablik.olga (Olga), instead of improving your verbiage and wanting to demonstrate your knowledge of the question, throw me the address of the analyst you called.
              He may well be an adequate and worthy person, since he is tearing you away from him.
              Thanks in advance for your help.

              I vomit from not professionalism and lies that are full of this publication. What do you say to that?
              Quote: 112-17
              in the photo group MACV-SOG, they acted in Vietnam and in neighboring countries in the interests of MACV. Here's another photo apparently the same group, see the main upper extreme.
    2. RomanRoman
      7 July 2018 22: 08
      0
      Quote: Doliva63
      Lifetime subscription does not exist. Units of the USSR Armed Forces did not fight there. Why replicate rumors?


      Really not officially fought. But only the GRU MO to the USSR Armed Forces has a rather indirect relationship. And in general in Vietnam there was no pilot Li Xi Tsyn and Chinese tankers. In general, there was no one, some Viet Cong
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 9 July 2018 22: 01
        +3
        Viet Cong were in South Vietnam. The Army of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Vietcong are different, albeit friendly structures.
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 12 July 2018 15: 30
          +3
          Quote: Sergej1972
          Viet Cong were in South Vietnam. The Army of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Vietcong are different, albeit friendly structures.

          In fact, at the end of 60's, the main burden of combat operations in South Vietnam fell on the VNA, and the Vetkong actually joined its ranks.
  15. nnz226
    nnz226 7 July 2018 15: 35
    +2
    You feel the professionalism of the guys from the GRU special forces during the "showdown" on an American base! RESPECT !!!
  16. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 7 July 2018 15: 39
    +2
    Well, why does this GRU special forces even need him if you don’t crank up such delicate and piquant moments?
  17. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 7 July 2018 15: 46
    +2
    Quote: Royalist
    Quote: Aviator_
    I also tend to cranberry version. Although the basis of the events could be real, the event was not so brilliantly executed as described. However, this is just my opinion. The author’s dilettantism issue phrases
    Super Cobras, which were perfectly captured by the sight of the new Strela-2M and fell, struck to the most vulnerable places.
    и
    some American know-how was borrowed and used in the construction of the Soviet Mi-24 helicopters.

    IC GOS "Strela-2m" saw only one place - the engine nozzle, and saw it well. So what about the "place" is not necessary here. And to compare machines of fundamentally different classes (MI-24 and Super Cobra) is also not worth it.
    Again, such a reverent attitude towards the UN and international law by the two superpowers of that time seems doubtful.

    That the author is not a specialist is not in doubt. I agree with you, which casts doubt on the "bashfulness" of the amers. In the Soviet Union, if this was in the interests of the state, they could also “forget” some UN provisions


    Guys, this is the feeling that you are in the Literary Gazette staff of the department of literary criticism! The author did not write a report on the operation, but gave a little, not without literary pathos, about the glorious deeds of the past wars.
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 7 July 2018 16: 19
      +11
      Quote: sib.ataman
      Guys, this is the feeling that you are in the Literary Gazette staff of the department of literary criticism! The author did not write a report on the operation, but gave a little, not without literary pathos, about the glorious deeds of the past wars.

      The publication is full of logical inconsistencies, frank technical blunders and is based, to put it mildly, on unverified information.
    2. Fitter65
      Fitter65 7 July 2018 17: 21
      +7
      [quote = sib.ataman] Guys, the feeling that you are in the Literary newspaper full-time employees of the department of literary criticism! [/ quote]
      Immediately as a critic from the TOKOE literary newspaper is written through A-SUCH. Well, and so on:
      [quote = sib.ataman] The author did not compose a report on the operation, but slightly told, not without literary pathos, about the glorious deeds of past wars.
      [/ Quote]
      The author did not compose, but carried, and carried bullshit. and from the second line of his story:
      [quote] ... It gave a new impetus to the development of domestic helicopter industry and allowed to successfully upgrade the Strela-2M portable anti-aircraft missile system, sib.ataman [/ You did not try to think a bit about what should have given an impetus in 1968 (but I apologize for the expression "author" writes about the events of 1968) for the modernization of MANPADS STRELA-2M, if
      [quote] "Arrow-2" (GRAU index - 9K32, according to the classification of the US Ministry of Defense and NATO SA-7 Grail ("grail") - the Soviet man-portable air defense system, adopted by the USSR Armed Forces in 1968. [/ quote]
      and here about M2
      [quote] 9K32M Strela-2M (NATO code - SA-7B Grail) is a modernized version of the Strela-2 MANPADS, adopted by the USSR Armed Forces in 1970. [/ quote]
      Moreover, the reason for the modernization of the new MANPADS was not in the appearance of the SUPERGELEKOPTER, but in
      [quote] The combat use of the Strela-2 complex revealed its lack of effectiveness. Many damaged aircraft returned to their bases and were put back into service after a short repair. This was because the missiles hit the tail of the aircraft, which contained few vital systems and assemblies, and the power of the warhead of the missile was insufficient to create a larger area of ​​destruction of the target structure.
      In accordance with the Government Decree of September 2, 1968, the Strela-2 complex was modernized. The new complex received the designation "Strela-2M" (9K32M). It is designed to defeat low-flying targets in catch-up and oncoming courses in conditions of visual visibility. The complex also allows you to launch missiles at maneuvering and stationary air targets. [/ Quote]
      Oh how !!! So it’s not fault: “AN-1G (Attac Helicopter - 1 Gunship), but unofficially -“ Hugh Cobra. ”Such a short development period for the“ Cobra ”is explained by the maximum possible use of the proven design solutions of the well-developed UH-1. Outwardly AH-1G is radically different from its ancestor UH-1B. Nevertheless, the propulsion system, transmission and tail boom were preserved. The main rotor (HB) has undergone minimal changes: at the ends of the blades, they used faster profiles and removed the stabilizing rods typical of the early Bell helicopter models. but the design of a semi-rigid two-bladed propeller having a sleeve with a common horizontal and axial hinges of the “door hinge” type has not changed. But the front of the fuselage was redesigned. When developing it, the experience of creating the “Warrier” and “Sioux Scout” was fully taken into account. Arrow and the pilot was placed one after another in a narrow cockpit with excellent visibility, and as a result the fuselage was brought up to 90 cm wide. With the same engine as the Hugh, it allowed to increase the maximum speed, although the mass of the empty helicopter increased. "...
      And what's just super duper? Well, instead of the “pot-bellied” UH-1 “Iroquois” or HYU, with missiles and machine guns on the sides, its “thin” modification appeared. Helicopters as platforms for weapons appeared on the basis of transport. We are experimenting with Mi-1, Mi-4 weapons, and what’s been happening in Poland, where they issued the Mi-2 under license ... And if a lot of UH-1 was taken for Hugh Cobra, then when we created the Mi-24, a lot was borrowed from the Mi-8 ...
  18. Avior
    Avior 7 July 2018 21: 59
    +16
    What attacked the author?
    All history is true.
    Only it was not in May 1967, but in December 1969, and they flew not on a Super Cobra helicopter, but on a Super Frelon helicopter, and it was not in Vietnam, but in Egypt, and the special forces were not Soviet, but Israeli, and they stole not an American helicopter, but the Soviet P-12 radar.
    And so everything is true, everything was so.
    hi
    1. RomanRoman
      7 July 2018 22: 59
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      All history is true.


      lol Thank you so much for your sense of humor. hi
      1. Avior
        Avior 7 July 2018 23: 02
        +6
        Yes, what a sense of humor, I just compared with the original source and corrected some minor errors hi
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 8 July 2018 04: 17
          +5
          Quote: Avior
          Yes, what a sense of humor, I just compared with the original source and corrected some minor errors

          good
  19. Catfish
    Catfish 7 July 2018 23: 35
    +4
    Quote: zyablik.olga
    . The single engine AN-1G Huey Cobra and the twin-engine AH-1W Super Cobra that appeared in the 1983 year are completely different modifications.


    I myself served in the army during this Vietnam War. No publications were missed, especially in the Foreign Military Review. The first “swallow” was Hugh Cobra, the second King Cobra, I read about some Super Cobra fifty years later in your comments. I’m a tanker, not a helicopter pilot, maybe I don’t know something, but ... something is doubtful. hi
  20. Curious
    Curious 8 July 2018 01: 25
    +13
    The first serial AH-1G Hugh Cobra rolled off the assembly line of the Bell plant in June of the 1967.
    The first AH-1G arrived in Vietnam at Bien Hoa air base near Saigon in August 1967.
    The author hijacks a helicopter in May 1967.
    In general, the crap about the Soviet special forces raid on the Flying Joe camp in May 1968 was launched by the well-known Tolya Taras in his book "Commandos" back in 1997. Since then, this legend has been wandering around all kinds of media that don’t really care about the reliability of the information, but chase after sensations, adding new “details” from certain mythical participants. The famous Khramchikhin brought the account of the helicopters destroyed during this operation to 19. No one else has destroyed yet, but our author seems to bypass Khramchikhin.
    "By that time, several Soviet subversive groups that had an extensive spy network were already operating in the jungle of Indochina. "
    The first military translator arrived in Vietnam in 1967. What sabotage groups and agents can we talk about if the translators could not provide the leadership of Soviet military intelligence in Vietnam.
    In general, those who managed to visit those places, he understands that there can be no talk of any sabotage groups from a non-native population in those jungles, and any Soviet Asian, even if he is Chukchi, is very different from the local ones.
    To the author - to play in the apiary. Admins - still check the quality of information.
    1. RomanRoman
      8 July 2018 08: 17
      0
      Quote: Curious
      The first serial AH-1G Hugh Cobra rolled off the assembly line of the Bell plant in June of the 1967.
      The first AH-1G arrived in Vietnam at Bien Hoa air base near Saigon in August 1967.
      The author hijacks a helicopter in May 1967.


      I understand that you consider this story to be someone's fantasy. Well, the author says that officially it was not, referring to the stories of old men and conjectures. What confuses you?
      About the hijacking of a helicopter. If you already write something, then at least read correctly written in the article. What May 1967 of the year are we talking about?
      Sometimes the desire to comment something too great? So this is beautiful. And then they would sit there at work, and nudilis lol hi
      1. bloodsucker
        bloodsucker 8 July 2018 09: 50
        +5
        RomanRoman
        What May 1967 are we talking about?
        I will intercede for Curious, he rightly notes that "To the author - to play in the apiary"
        RomanRoman, you don’t read this: “What shock did they have when a group of cutthroats burst into the base on one of the days of May 1967" ... etc.
        1. Curious
          Curious 8 July 2018 11: 33
          +5
          Obviously, the author is still at puberty; therefore, instead of listening to criticism and drawing the right conclusions, he tries to be clever. If the author likes to be on duty carpet on the site - free will, although there are already enough of them on the site.
  21. merkava-2bet
    merkava-2bet 8 July 2018 02: 18
    +2
    Quote: merkava-2bet
    By the way, you can stupid question, and what is the modification in the photo, like the ski chassis was removed only on the first experimental machines AN-1, and then refused.

    It is embarrassing that if it is an experienced machine, but the М65 NTS sight is mounted on it and suspended from the PTU TUR Tou, that this is a weapon test or some kind of art.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 8 July 2018 02: 56
      +4
      Quote: merkava-2bet
      It is embarrassing that if it is an experienced machine, but the М65 NTS sight is mounted on it and suspended from the PTU TUR Tou, that this is a weapon test or some kind of art.

      Andrey, forgive me, but where have you noticed on this machine the ATGM and the aiming system M65? There are many photos of "Cobras" in the network with an ATGM "Tou", compare them carefully with this image. hi
      1. merkava-2bet
        merkava-2bet 8 July 2018 03: 26
        +2
        Perhaps I mixed it up, so this is the first time I see this photo, but this photo is more understandable.
      2. merkava-2bet
        merkava-2bet 8 July 2018 03: 46
        0
        I don’t want to seem like a bore, but under the wing there are four containers, similar to the ATGM Tou, the turret for the machine gun / gun is voluminous, and the main nose of the fuselage is not pointed like in the photo that I posted, but dulled, it looks like a homing sight. on the gunner’s cockpit, he watches through the eyepieces of the sight. I can assume that one of the cars may have been redone for testing weapons.

        1. Bongo
          Bongo 8 July 2018 04: 04
          +3
          Quote: merkava-2bet
          I do not want to sound like a bore, but under the wing there are four containers, it looks like an ATGM

          This is a model, and the "Tou" is absolutely not similar. No.
          Quote: merkava-2bet
          The main body of the fuselage is not pointed like in the photo I have laid out, but blunted, it looks like a aiming sight.

          The M65 sighting system and the ATGM are indicated by an arrow. Compare carefully with the first options.
          1. merkava-2bet
            merkava-2bet 8 July 2018 04: 37
            +2
            The sailor has no questions, thanks.
    2. Curious
      Curious 8 July 2018 03: 03
      +3
      "Bell 209 prototype of the AH-1 Cobra series, with skids retracted (FAA no. N209J)"
      Caption for the image in question.
  22. Andy
    Andy 8 July 2018 10: 31
    +1
    honestly, the story is incomplete and the commentators are also somehow not up to par. trump the knowledge of helicopters in front of the author and jib as 7 out of 10 climbed into the helicopter. missing the following points, the cover group died, the remaining (number unknown to us) left on a captured turntable or left by land. why did you attach to the number 10 - the article says no more than 10. I have two questions - the number of the group the participant should have known for sure so as not to shoot his own. in what way he (the participant) left the attacked base (ground or turntable) - if the ground then obviously didn’t climb into the turntable. while there are no answers ... about declassifying the details, this will never happen. otherwise, one would have to admit the Soviet military attack on the Americans without declaring war and other things with the ensuing consequences.
  23. revnagan
    revnagan 8 July 2018 11: 47
    +2
    Someone who then something "slammed":
    https://fishki.net/2644806-ohota-specnaza-gru-na-
    super-kobru.html
    Well, and who is the plagiarist, prick?
  24. Catfish
    Catfish 8 July 2018 14: 21
    +1
    Quote: Curious
    "Bell 209 prototype of the AH-1 Cobra series, with skids retracted (FAA no. N209J)"
    Caption for the image in question.


    Good afternoon, Victor.

    But still, what is the name “Super Cobra”? Hey-bo for the first time in half a century I hear. Is this the third model ???

    In general, not critical, but interesting. hi
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  26. Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich
    0
    I agree, infa about the seven who have flown away at the 2-seater Hugh-Cobra seems to many to be fantastic ...
    But I can notice that 10 people of the Devyatayev group in 1944 managed to fit in the 5-seater Heinkel-111.
    I just really wanted to live ...
    And as you know from the "Features of the national hunt":
    "-When you want to live - you’re not getting so excited" :-)))))))))))))))
    1. Dooplet11
      Dooplet11 9 July 2018 12: 22
      +3
      The X-111 has five crew members, and there are large volumes in the fuselage. He even had this option: He 111 H-20 / R1 - adapted for transporting 16 paratroopers, equipped with a landing hatch. And how and where to “fool” someone into a double HughCobra? Can’t you show a finger on a helicopter photo? ))))
    2. PROXOR
      PROXOR 12 July 2018 12: 45
      +1
      We got on the runners and flew. whoever could and held on or suspended evacuation. KM in 20 villages, Most of the group started out in a rush, and the cobra went to the rendezvous point.
      Even now, they are working out the suspension evacuation technique.
      1. Dooplet11
        Dooplet11 12 July 2018 13: 16
        +2
        There is nothing in the article about "pyokh". The author claims - flew away in a stolen car.
        Eyewitnesses claimed that in carefully sealed boxes were parts of some kind of flying structure, as well as aircraft weapons of various types.

        Helicopter hijacked with weapons? Fine! What is the load capacity of a seasoned and armed HughCobra? And how many five (two out of seven regularly put in the cabin) of special forces soldiers weigh? Kilogram 450-500? In general, the article is full of blunders, clumsy and tales of Uncle Remus.
  27. NF68
    NF68 8 July 2018 15: 38
    0
    Interesting article.
  28. bang
    bang 8 July 2018 18: 02
    +1
    Quote: zyablik.olga
    hijacking an unfamiliar rotorcraft

    the guys were not going to fight in an unfamiliar car, but simply overtake a helicopter.

    Quote: zyablik.olga
    the question arises: how did 7 people fly away in a two-seater? wassat

    In addition to the “Cobra”, there were other helicopters at the base.

    And so I agree, the author wrote an article hearing a ringing, but not knowing where he is.

    Quote: zyablik.olga
    hijacking an unfamiliar rotorcraft
  29. Vivan
    Vivan 9 July 2018 00: 32
    +14
    I am Vietnamese, I am 62 years old. He studied at MADI from 1972 to 1985. He graduated from the institute with honors, my real name is Wi Van Ding, carved on a marble wall on the 3rd floor of the main building of MADI - for the 1979 edition. All this I say so that no one doubts that there really exists a person with the name Vie Wang Dinh, that is, I.
    I highly doubt the authenticity of the fact that the GRU special forces hijacked a modern American helicopter for that time. My reasons are as follows:
    1) Open the map of Indochina (any, even without specifying the scale). It is easy to find DMZ between North and South Vietnam - this is exactly the middle of the length of Vietnam vertically (i.e. along the meridian). The width of Vietnam at this place is 50 km. Now find the closest point in the territory of Cambodia from the southern tip of North Vietnam (DMZ). You will see that the distance from Cambodia to North Vietnam is 5-6 times greater than the width of Vietnam at the DMZ site, that is, 250-300 km. Not at all 30 km, as was described in the article. And inaccuracy in any business gives rise to legitimate distrust!
    2) I read along and across nhat-nam.ru the recollections of Soviet military advisers who worked in Vietnam between 1959-1973. In addition, I personally know some of the SAF, and also was interested in issues of military cooperation between the USSR and the DRV during the years of the war against the USA, so I can definitely say:
    - during the war years, Soviet military pilots did not take part in air battles, but only instructed the Vietnamese. The only foreign pilots who fought in Vietnam on the DRV side were 14 North Koreans (all of them fought on the MiG-17 and all died in battles due to excessive heroism - went into battle without parachutes!);
    - USSR military pilots transported cargo from North Vietnam to Laos to the patriotic forces of Pathet Lao in transport planes, this is a fact;
    - among the SAF there were detachments of “trophies”, but they were not looking for samples of American weapons throughout Indochina, but only in the territory of North Vietnam. The Vietnamese categorically did not allow the SHS to cross the 17th parallel (imagine - what a scandal would be if some SHS were captured!);
    - Artistic illustration for this article can be found on YouTube (film "Another's War" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRi2LMfYJdg&t
    = 991s).
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 9 July 2018 00: 39
      +4
      Quote: Vivan
      Vivan

      Respect. A plus.
      And journalists - they are such ... journalists ... eat something hoto all, and invent everything .. feng shui, I'm sorry, Goss ..
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  30. Nitarius
    Nitarius 9 July 2018 05: 21
    +1
    technology always and always drag each other .. there is no other way)) to study the enemy! industrial espionage))) nowhere to go))
  31. DVTamga
    DVTamga 9 July 2018 10: 55
    0
    The article is interesting. Most likely this was not (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%81
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    2. RomanRoman
      9 July 2018 12: 37
      0
      Thank. It is for such readers that we work. good
  32. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 9 July 2018 11: 00
    +3
    It gave a new impetus to the development of domestic helicopter industry

    It is very loudly said.
    Of borrowings - only an idea. Refuse the transport compartment as a useless ballast for a combat helicopter.
    The Americans based on the transport / combat nodes of Hyui designed a purely combat cobra, ours based on the Mi-8 nodes designed the Mi-24 (while still preserving the truncated transport compartment for the landing)

    Without a doubt, our designers carefully studied the design features of the Super Cobra that fell into their hands, and some American know-how was borrowed and used in the construction of the Soviet Mi-24 helicopters.

    Funny statement.
    This statement suggests that the author has a poor idea of ​​the design of both helicopters and the history of their design.
    The maximum that was borrowed was the idea to get away from the universal fuselage - transport and combat purposes, and to direct the saved weight to strengthening the protection of the crew and critical nodes.
    Those. move on to designing an exclusively combat attack helicopter. This idea has long floated on the surface. The appearance of the "cobra" was only an impetus.
  33. iouris
    iouris 9 July 2018 14: 15
    +2
    Already read this story. A very long time and without "water".
  34. Andrey787
    Andrey787 10 July 2018 19: 49
    +3
    Beautiful fairy tale, plus plus patriotic !!!
    For elementary school, it will go with a bang !!!
    The genre should be developed, not only with powerful Russian heroes and dashing Red Army soldiers.

    When I was little, I had many children's books with beautiful illustrations about the Great Patriotic War. There always our heroes are handsome men with a shred of mother bread in their bosoms, they won - evil, wretched, ugly fascists !!!

    In the USA the same is full of such tales. Indeed, according to their version of the story, the first astronaut is Neil Armstrong, and they launched the satellite and reached Berlin in 1945 ...

    The only negative, this article should be in the section "stories and stories", and not in the "story".
  35. slaventi
    slaventi 11 July 2018 03: 38
    +1
    Super Cobras, and some American know-how were borrowed and used in the construction of the Soviet Mi-24 helicopters
    Mi 24 and AN-1G are conceptually different machines. AN-1G. In the mid-60-s, ML Mile chose the concept of the predominant development of a "flying (air) infantry fighting vehicle", which allows equipping future Soviet airborne units with a universal helicopter capable of performing the functions of both a "flying armored personnel carrier" and "flying tank". The concept of an "air infantry fighting vehicle" was developed by ML Mil in the first half of the 60's. Perhaps something was and was borrowed, as is done by everyone., And maybe not, it is not a fact that this special operation really existed. When foreigners talk about T34, they always mention the Christie pendant - it makes people laugh.
    Iroquois attack helicopters delivered punctuated strikes at Viet Cong’s partisan concentration centers,
    Americans contemptuously called North Vietnam Vietnamese guerrillas and Vietnamese communists. If you take the literal translation of Kong is a monkey., Viet Cong is a country of monkeys, a Vietnamese-Vietnamese monkey .. The truth is, then these monkeys cleaned the snout of "pale-faced guopods."
    1. Vivan
      Vivan 11 July 2018 09: 57
      +5
      About the term “vietkong”. This term was first used by Ngo Dinh Ziehm (President of South Vietnam from 1955-1963) to refer to South Vietnamese partisans (Viet = Vietnamese, Vietnamese; Congshan = communist, communist), although not all partisans were communists.
      The Americans clearly distinguished Viet Cong (South Vietnamese rebels) from the North Vietnamese Army (NVA).
      There is nothing in the word “Viet Cong” that could mean “monkey.” And there is nothing to do with the fact that in Hollywood they called a monster monkey named Kong.
  36. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 11 July 2018 15: 57
    +4
    Oh my God ! How much ravings in the article! What, nafig, in the 1968 MANPADS "Strela-2"? !!! The first MANPADS "Arrow-2" appeared among the Vietnamese in 1970 g .... the first combat use was recorded in March 1971. All the first half of the 70's were used "Arrow-2"! "Arrow-2M" began to appear among the Vietnamese in the 2 half of the 70's ... (according to some sources, in the 75-m ....) And the story of the helicopter abduction has been known for several years and is classified as dubious. ..
    American know-how was borrowed and used in the construction of Soviet Mi-24 helicopters.
    How can this be believed, after the discovered "mistakes"? fool
    1. iouris
      iouris 12 July 2018 11: 47
      +2
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      How can you believe it

      I believe, because it’s absurd!
  37. Romka47
    Romka47 13 July 2018 12: 04
    +3
    STOP !!!! “Everything has changed on the eve of the new 1968. The powerful offensive launched by North Vietnam on American military bases literally choked in blood. This was due to the latest American AN-1G Hugh Cobra helicopters, which had arrived from the USA just before That is, the helicopters appeared on December 31, 1967 (on the eve of the new 1968) " What was their shock when one day in May 1967 a group of thugs broke into the base " It turns out, according to the article, our guys are so cool that they hijacked a helicopter half a year before it even appeared in Vietnam
  38. Pattern
    Pattern 15 July 2018 02: 20
    0
    The "author" does not change ... It is just right for him to start a friendship with Rezun-Suvorov.
  39. Dr. Hub
    Dr. Hub 16 July 2018 10: 39
    0
    Firstly, I read this article before, but I don’t remember where. Secondly - I have big doubts that the Special Forces Army of the North Vietnam is pictured. Starting from uniforms, insignia, ending with weapons and dark glasses. Where did you see the specialists taking pictures in the form of the enemy and with his weapons?