West begins to fight for 200 Russian plants

Sooner or later it had to happen. Russia is gradually beginning to sink in the trash. City dumps turned into huge landfills of sewage, representing a great danger to people. There are more than 200 tons of various wastes per inhabitant of our country today, which means it’s time to think about a different approach to waste disposal.

Actually, such a task has already been set by the President of Russia. Vladimir Putin ordered the construction of 200 waste treatment plants before 2025. In fact, we are talking about creating a new industry, which is well developed in a number of Western countries, but is practically atrophied in our state. Of course, such news Western corporations could not disregard the corresponding equipment companies. In particular, manufacturers of turbines used to generate energy released during waste incineration.

First of all it concerns the German Siemens, the Czech Škoda and the American General Electric. However, Russian manufacturers have something to offer.

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[solzh]

Russian manufacturers have learned to produce products no worse than similar Western models, and even better. I understood it. But there is no comparison in such parameters as quality, price, reliability between our products and Western.

[Grandfather]

Sooner or later this was to happen. Russia gradually begins to drown in trash

oh, yes ... and in every sense of the word ... in the domestic, political, economic ...

[210ox]

The problem is first and foremost in the heads. First of all, you need to get used to sorting the garbage, and then recycling.

Quote: Dead Day

Sooner or later this was to happen. Russia gradually begins to drown in trash

oh, yes ... and in every sense of the word ... in the domestic, political, economic ...

[aybolyt678]

Quote: 210ox

The problem is first and foremost in the heads. First of all, you need to get used to sorting the garbage, and then recycling.

why in Soviet times there was milk on bottling? and now only beer, but milk has disappeared? you need to allow milk and yoghurts and medicines for bottling and create an appropriate market segment

[ZVO]

Quote: aybolyt678

why in Soviet times there was milk on bottling? and now only beer, but milk has disappeared? you need to allow milk and yoghurts and medicines for bottling and create an appropriate market segment

And who will buy them?
The rhythm of life has completely changed.
We did not have (almost almost) - highly specialized stores.
The most popular are universal stores of western business models (both Western networks themselves and Russian tracing papers).
Where and panties and socks and tires and vacuum cleaners and washers and milk ...

[sir_obs]

And who will buy them?

And it depends on what to pour. If that, excuse me, shit, which is made of powder, so it is not needed from the store. But here a man comes and sells fresh milk, sour cream and cottage cheese from a real live cow in the morning from the farm, so I take it apart.

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[Mikhail Ivanov_4]

So far, the sanitary services have not turned their attention to him. But this is before the first appeal of the buyer to the hospital.

[Vadim237]

This is obtained by two processing plants per entity.

[antivirus]

ON 1-ON 1 MILLION PEOPLE, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT LIFE OF THE LEVEL AND WASTE FROM THIS LEVEL.
there will always be just a few - it is necessary to design the packaging and disposal of products in advance.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: antivirus

there will always be just a few - it is necessary to design the packaging and disposal of products in advance.

No need to refuse reusable packaging. It is necessary to force manufacturers to dispose of their containers, then they will choose the materials from which this container is made ...

[Royalist]

We still do not know how to extract money from garbage. And then blah, blah we are going bad.
I will give a few examples: that used batteries poison nature and that they must be disposed of specially for a long time and they write and say, but try a special container for these batteries. My relative accumulated 20 pieces of such batteries and traveled around the city floor, but could not find where to put them. And the so-called "fluorescent lamps", in every institution or in every hospital, God accumulates them, how many, and where to put them? And an anecdotal example: in our village, one granny carried a 29-inch LCD TV to the dump, the cat urinated in the ventilation slots (I have no idea how it happened). This incident was told to me by a familiar telemaster, my telly started to fail and called him, and in his cabin lies a bad telly, and he told me word for word.
How efficient will the Ural turbine FIG knows him. Of the Western manufacturers, in my opinion, the Asians have the best chances: the “baboon” imposed sanctions, and Tirlyam still winds up now: “I won’t give a damn to another,” and Asian guys just rub their hands and say: “wow a good man hegemon - everything does so that we rap a penny "

[Artem Popov]

I don’t know where your relative lives, now these boxes are in every supermarket, and there are a lot of mercury lamp and battery receiving points. (they are often combined)

[serge siberian]

In France, as early as the 70s, they started building such a plant. Then it was a suburb of Paris. It took more than 20 years to build it, but the plant is already in Paris. The French themselves talked about the plant in the late 90s. They put billions. And then our oligarchs sawed it.

[Cossack 471]

Where is the year 2025 .... and you can start now Offhand. what can be done immediately; replace plastic bags with paper ones. plastic bottles on glass. build a sorting workshop at landfills. open collection points for batteries and lamps and set up containers for separate waste collection. But this is with the desire of the authorities. And while they hope in patriotism (so that we shout "Russia. Russia !!!"), they will not do anything

[A_L_F]

Begin with yourself

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: A_L_F

Begin with yourself

Stop writing us your calls. Start living the way most people live - without special services, special apartments, special clinics, special salaries, special pensions ... you need to bring up punishments, and it’s convenient to start your calls with yourself at home, in a soft chair ... You stand up, leave to the street and make a comment to those who do not want to start with themselves ...

[A_L_F]

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: A_L_F

Begin with yourself

Stop writing us your calls. Start living the way most people live - without special services, special apartments, special clinics, special salaries, special pensions ... you need to bring up punishments, and it’s convenient to start your calls with yourself at home, in a soft chair ... You stand up, leave to the street and make a comment to those who do not want to start with themselves ...

Before telling others what to do, tell me what you did to clean up the garbage?
I work in a plastic processing and manufacturing enterprise.

[antivirus]

1) first of all, sorting and processing (in our city, for several years now, "cf. convoy" has divided into its own terry). then
2) to bend the production of products under the full life cycle of products and packaging - waste - THEN AND WASTE WILL NOT BE A PROBLEM.
3) Litter left at TERR-AND WHERE HE "HAPPENED" -SOBYANIN - SOBYANINSKY EXCELLENCE IN THE TECHNOLOGIES FOR TRANSFORMING rotten odors

[sir.jonn]

In recent years, in the sea, I have suffered from the worthless quality of German, Swedish, Danish and other manufacturers, all of them using reputable brands produce frank marriage. In my opinion, it's time to implement import substitution, against the background of the disgusting quality of Western technology. You can develop and improve your manufacturers. Now we need to change the customs policy so that it impedes the penetration of low-quality technologies, and not technologies in general.

[Vadim237]

And what is it, in the sea, you used, from these manufacturers, that it was constantly covered?

[sir.jonn]

Brand new M32 poppies with a bunch of problems that even Germans grab their heads, a bunch of Alpha Laval products from heat exchangers to the boiler. All nodes were designed with their direct participation. My impression is that they work there for them alone to be armless, they do not even try to competently eliminate constructive marriage. As the primary operation, defects always creep out this law but they are others here are obviously sloppiness. I do not want to seem like a Ukrainian and Pole phobus, but in my opinion at the factories they make all the equipment exactly theirs handwriting of marriage concealment is definitely present.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: sir.jonn

Now we need to change the customs policy so that it impedes the penetration of low-quality technologies, and not technologies in general.

they will sell to us .... in 1988 they sold the technology for the production of shoes to the Omsk shoe factory. It turned out to be spyware. Millions of Soviet rubles down the drain.

[just exp]

And what secret data did they want to know through shoe equipment?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: just explo

And what secret data did they want to know through shoe equipment?

sorry mixed up. It is not spyware, but wrecking. It was established, but could not produce shoes.

[Beltasir matyagu]

We have our own excellent designs. Stop feeding the aliens

[the monastery]

between German equipment and ours I will choose the Germans! it is definitely
mentality

[sir.jonn]

It was earlier after 2000 that everything changed drastically, I'm not talking about consumer goods, the Germans are no longer in engineering.

[the monastery]

two weeks ago they chose equipment for the carpentry workshop
Czechs italian rf and nemtsi. and so in the course of the Germans is always something. mentality!

[aybolyt678]

German equipment performed well in World War II.

[the monastery]

rudely moved citizen. then fortitude won!

[Self]

But do not invent anything. Those who remember the USSR know that the problem of global garbage was very effectively solved. The container is all returnable and glass. Products were packaged all in paper, and not in polyethylene and plastic, etc. Garbage was thrown even in a bucket, then returned home, and not in bags))) The remainder is organic waste, which does not pose a big environmental problem.

[TimurEkgardt]

Now they will probably throw stones at me, but I will express myself. A couple of years ago in the city of Orekhovo-Zuyevo they tried to open a garbage processing plant, people opposed and listened to them, moved them a little further south, to the direction of Drezna - Likino-Dulyovo, there, too, people stood up against this plant. On May 2018, in 15, in Kurovskoye, a rally was held against “resumption” (it already worked, but garbage was collected only from the city, well, for a bribe from other village villages) of a landfill (not even a factory!), None of the authorities I did not attend this rally, and in addition to the landfill, they raised a lot of questions regarding not only landfills, but also the eternal (or rather 3-year) repair of a children's clinic, a kindergarten from construction waste (I can throw photos and documents from Virtue).
At least they defended it, and a couple of weeks later trucks with garbage went to that landfill. A week later, local residents caught up with vehicles, blocked the way for garbage trucks, at the same time tuning letters to the presidential administration and a bunch of different places. Question to Putin V.V. never reached a straight line, but now they seem to have stopped. Most recently, a video flashed in YouTube where Vorobyov defiantly drills Yegorov and that omitted one leaves the round table. Window dressing, idle talk and complete devotion from the authorities. I'm in the Orekhovo-Zuevsky district of Mos. I see only this area and one playground with a new road 300m. the situation will not change.

[TimurEkgardt]

Having been recently in Ramenskoye, I realized that I live simply in the end place. For 6 years, the city has changed beyond recognition, instead of dumb sheds there are beautiful platforms, all the tracks are neatly paved, I never found broken roads (except maybe a couple of potholes in one of the yards). Orekhovo, of course, also got better, but as it was the fifth point, it only got worse and compared to other cities of the Moscow Region.

[aybolyt678]

oddly enough, roads have become better, cities have become more beautiful, championships are larger. Only now all my life I dreamed of becoming rich. And despite the daily 14 hours at work, without holidays with one Sunday - stably in the middle. There is no prospect of becoming rich.

[iscander]

We have also tried many times the authorities tried to break through the idea of ​​building a plant, since all landfills were crowded for a long time - the public instantly reared up (such as ecology, etc. - “we will die” (as if burning dumps and stench for many kilometers - it is more environmentally friendly)) and all the progress was dying.
Everyone wants it to be built, but not near him - and since people live everywhere and think alike, the MRZ cannot be built anywhere. And every summer we smell the stench of burning landfills!
The authorities sometimes have to go "bending over the knee" of the residents' wish for their own benefit - to issue compensations, relocate, but to build a waste recycling plant, otherwise there will never be a solution to the problem!

[TimurEkgardt]

So the fact of the matter is that there is a place, albeit not by any standard there, that you need 10 km from the village, but THERE IS! They just broke there to pave the way.

[askort154]

I have a summer house in a village 60 km from the city. All waste is dragged into the surrounding forest. Garbage collection and disposal is not provided at all. For mushrooms I leave the village for a dozen km. Hair stand on end, as you think, how many such villages in Russia. Previously, at least they handed over glass bottles, but now it’s golem plastic.

[iscander]

Really - it's high time!
And we open one landfill after another (which regularly burn), and as soon as residents hear about the construction of a waste recycling plant they go crazy with fear - everyone understands that it is needed, but everyone wants to be built anywhere, but not nearby with them, and as a result, they do not build anything anywhere - and everything is buried in garbage and stench!
And recently there was information about one European city that actually lives on the energy of its own garbage - so many expensive hydrocarbons are burned, while its free source is practically lost for free.

[TimurEkgardt]

This is where else at the factory this cow grazed? They showed us the same thing. In principle, in the city everything is only for the plant, but at a distance from the city. And there is a place, you just have to open the Yandex card and look carefully.

[NordUral]

Why not ours? Or at least with a blocking package?

[Dzungar]

What about recycle trash .....? There in large quantities polyethylene, glass, color metal .....

[Dzungar]

I heard that the garbage business in Russia is controlled by several families ... And every time a conversation started in a particular region about building a waste incinerator or recycling plant, this idea was quietly dying quietly after some time .... It’s much easier simply to collect money from a garbage truck than to invest it in some business ....

[asiat_61]

Today, more than 200 tons of various wastes are produced per inhabitant of our country, which means it’s time to think about a different approach to waste disposal ... Bullshit. Lousy .. Explanator in a word ..

[Apollo]

These plants had to be built 10-12 years ago, without waiting for the population to begin to suffocate from the garbage stink. I wonder what President Putin was thinking then.
They say the president’s head was "sick" about not raising the retirement age ...

[vfvlasov]

I am sure! Medvedev will buy incinerators for expensive! He does not have enough intelligence to make his Russian plants.

[ppgt90]

There was no desire to comment on something, but after reading the comments I decided to write. Dear Sirs! None of those who left a comment has a clue on the handling of especially hazardous waste. By the way, all household waste belongs to the 3rd hazard class. This is for general development. Further, all enterprises associated with the collection, transportation and disposal of waste are under the clear "supervision" of criminal structures. A lot of money is spinning in the junk business. Very huge. By the way, for the most part, enterprises engaged in the aforementioned “garbage” activities comply with the Russian legislation on the treatment of especially hazardous waste. What is happening in the suburbs is the result of the greed of officials who allow the opportunity to work with "scumbags" from garbage. Decent businessmen now do not act so rudely, not the 90s. Each respected office employs a whole staff of ecologists who protect the enterprise that gives them bread and butter from all kinds of "mistakes". And the salary in these "offices" is far from small and the centralization of power from top to bottom is excellent. Regarding separate collection of garbage. It has been used for a long time, but for the most part the population does not really want to bother with it, it is easier to take and dump everything into one container. The construction of factories was long overdue, but environmental officials were not profitable for some time, and money for the construction of such a plant should be decent. I hope that the kick from the president will take precedence and the money will be found. There will be a lot of screeching around the plants. Why? All the small offices working in this business will burn out, and who wants it? That will populate the population. And our population in terms of waste management is generally not competent. After all, we can easily just throw garbage from the balcony and nothing. What's wrong with that? Everything is fine. Although I would not take an example from Europe. Things are worse with garbage there than with us. So we welcome the introduction of garbage processing plants. The most important thing to understand for ourselves. Guys! Waste is not easy. Here it is necessary to approach wisely, otherwise this. You can not burn, God forbid. In the end, I recall that the "garbage mafia" of Italy with the help of uncleaned and not taken out garbage was replaced by the Italian government. Here's what trash can do.

[Vladimir SHajkin]

Yeah, when you have to start everything.

[Alexy]

For starters, it would be nice to ban the use of plastic bags.
In the United States, paper packaging has long been

[Shuttle]

Some not quite finished news ...

[Berkut24]

The problem seems to be obvious, but no. The enemy of these factories will be the "garbage" mafia, which has turned more than one governor into a ram's horn, lowered more than one prosecutor's office and sent more than one hundred activists and unnecessary witnesses to the next world. Suffice it to recall the Fenin dump in Reutov. If even now Putin has to personally decide the issue of each garbage plant, then investors and Western companies will have to smoke on the sidelines for ten years.

[Berkut24]

Russia is gradually beginning to drown in trash.

This is because the illegal garbage collection has become a klondike for criminal gangs and some officials. And no factories will help until the state itself approaches this issue as an environmental problem, not a criminal one.

[Lyabaka]

Officials will gladly buy from the Germans, even from the Chinese, but as usual they will say to us: "There is no money, but you are holding on."