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Brothers and sisters. Joseph Stalin's appeal to the Soviet people on July 3 1941

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3 July 1941, the first since the beginning of World War II, the appeal of the head of state Joseph Stalin to the Soviet people. The appeal was broadcast on radio and was of great importance for raising the spirits of millions of Soviet citizens. For the first time since Stalin headed the USSR, he allowed himself in fact a traditional Orthodox appeal to fellow citizens - “brothers and sisters”.




In addition, in his radio address Stalin made such an addition as “my friends”, in fact emphasizing that in the face of the enemy, the state and society should rally to achieve the Great Victory. Incidentally, this is also to the conversation about who made the “greater” contribution to the Victory: the state or the people? By itself, this question is irrelevant, since the Soviet leader tried not to separate himself from the people, which can also be traced in this famous address.

From circulation:
The war with fascist Germany cannot be considered a normal war. It is not only a war between two armies. At the same time, it is the war of the entire Soviet people against the German fascist troops. The goal of this nationwide Patriotic War against the fascist oppressors is not only the elimination of the danger hanging over our country, but also assistance to all the peoples of Europe moaning under the yoke of German fascism.




It’s better not to remind of what the peoples of Europe who are liberated (as a result) from Nazism today are trying to “pay”. Each reader is well aware of this.

It must be emphasized that it was 3 July 1941 of the year, after the speech of Joseph Stalin, the very concept of the “Great Patriotic War” began to spread. Prior to this, the terminological interpretations of hostilities varied. At the same time, the new term became an additional unifying factor for all the peoples of the vast Soviet Union in the fight against the enemy who had encroached upon the frontiers of the Fatherland.
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  1. Gnefredov
    Gnefredov 3 July 2018 11: 26
    +29
    Goosebumps ran while listening to the performance.
    A tremendous plus in the karma of the author of the article.
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 3 July 2018 11: 29
      +37
      Stalin's contribution to the victory of the Soviet Union over fascism is enormous.
      1. For example
        For example 3 July 2018 12: 19
        +7
        Replace "German fascists" with "Kiev fascists" and read this speech for residents of Donbass. Actually.
    2. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 3 July 2018 12: 08
      +2
      Quote: Gnefredov
      A tremendous plus in the karma of the author of the article.

      Unfortunately, the unknown author of the article ...
      1. For example
        For example 3 July 2018 12: 14
        +8
        Now many "historians" are clever and say that the Nazis are Italians.
        Vissarionich clearly says the Germans are fascists !!!
        1. Nikolay Fedorov
          Nikolay Fedorov 3 July 2018 12: 42
          +9
          Quote: For example
          Now many "historians" are clever and say that the Nazis are Italians.
          Vissarionich clearly says the Germans are fascists !!!

          Apparently, historians say, really, too smart and too complicated phrases for your understanding. laughing You see, they had in mind that Italy was the birthplace of fascism, and Mussolini considered Hitler his disciple and follower. Many countries of that period were fascist, not only Italy and Germany.
          PS If you respect Stalin, then you should not call him what you called him. There are generally accepted forms. You know them.
          1. zyzx
            zyzx 3 July 2018 12: 55
            +3
            Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
            Apparently, historians say, really, too smart and too complicated phrases for your understanding

            Military historian? Or just unrealistically smart? Well, if smart then in Italy FASCISM, in Germany, National Socialism. And the birthplace of all is England. Well, grandfathers didn’t care at all, they called them fascists, we’ll wet the fascists.
            1. leshiy076
              leshiy076 3 July 2018 13: 08
              +6
              The birthplace of fascism and its ideological basis is the Hebrew state and the Old Testament.
              1. zyzx
                zyzx 3 July 2018 13: 47
                +2
                Quote: leshiy076
                The birthplace of fascism and its ideological basis is the Hebrew state and the Old Testament.

                Well here it is not necessary, to anterish the ants here. There saaaaaavavsem completely different way and meaning, such times. But fascism, the national of socialism, has a specific theory and specific authors.
                1. leshiy076
                  leshiy076 3 July 2018 16: 21
                  +1
                  The ancients themselves may not have anything to do with it, but even so, those who pull this ancient ideology into the modern world. Fascism and National Socialism arose out of the blue. He had specific prerequisites and specific sponsors.
                  1. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 5 July 2018 09: 25
                    0
                    Quote: leshiy076
                    but very much to do with those who pull this ancient ideology into the modern world.

                    so can usury be equated with ancient fascism
              2. Maki Avellevich
                Maki Avellevich 3 July 2018 16: 13
                0
                Quote: leshiy076
                The birthplace of fascism and its ideological basis is the Hebrew state and the Old Testament.


                Hello!
                with a hangover chtol?
                you don’t seem to understand what the Nazis are and you also didn’t read a single line from the Five Books, so the pictures looked
                1. Hierarch
                  Hierarch 3 July 2018 18: 50
                  +3
                  Well then ... Goy and a Jew ... Classic ...
                2. leshiy076
                  leshiy076 4 July 2018 07: 20
                  +2
                  Where to me with an uncircumcised understanding ...
                  1. Maki Avellevich
                    Maki Avellevich 4 July 2018 08: 41
                    +2
                    Quote: leshiy076
                    Where to me with an uncircumcised understanding ...


                    I suspected you were thinking this.

                    no questions
          2. ver_
            ver_ 7 July 2018 05: 27
            +1
            ..not convinced ..
    3. Gradus HuK
      Gradus HuK 3 July 2018 12: 20
      +12
      Great man! Great country!
      1. dSK
        dSK 3 July 2018 16: 27
        +1
        Quote: GradusHuK
        Great person!

        In 1886, Ekaterina Georgievna wanted to determine Joseph to study at the Gori Orthodox Theological School, however, since he is completely did not know Russian, he failed to enter. In 1886-1888, at the request of the mother, to teach Joseph Russian language taken children of the priest Christopher Charkviani. As a result, in 1888, Soso did not enter the first preparatory class at the school, but immediately into the second preparatory class, in September of the following year he entered the first class of the school, which he graduated in June 1894.
        In September 1894 years Joseph passed the entrance exams and was enrolled to the Orthodox Tiflis Theological Seminary.
  2. Thrall
    Thrall 3 July 2018 11: 27
    +21
    Brothers and sisters

    Modern European leaders cannot afford such treatment - transgender people and LGBT people will be offended. Therefore, to rally their nations before the threat of a potential aggressor, they have no chance smile
    1. Gnefredov
      Gnefredov 3 July 2018 11: 31
      +11
      Well, yes, parent number one, parent number two, three, and so on. Horror green sad
      1. Zubr
        Zubr 3 July 2018 11: 36
        +9
        No, blue with a pink border ... smile
        1. MPN
          MPN 3 July 2018 11: 45
          +8
          Quote: Zubr
          No, blue with a pink border ... smile

          No, there are the colors of the rainbow on the LGBT flag ... Is there a rainbow hat? Brown had to take the color of children's surprise ...
      2. Weyland
        Weyland 3 July 2018 11: 43
        +2
        Quote: Gnefredov
        parent number one, parent number two

        and instead of “brothers and sisters” they have long had “siblings” (sibling - from sib = SIster / Brother.)
    2. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 3 July 2018 12: 42
      +1
      Quote: Thrall
      Modern European leaders cannot afford such treatment - transgender people and LGBT people will be offended

      What, then, remains healthy Germans? Only sarcasm. German politician greets people of more than 40 sexes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8sWBVNgeW0
  3. 210ox
    210ox 3 July 2018 11: 28
    +12
    We had three Patriotic wars .. But only the Great Patriotic War on the one hand brought us so much grief and deprivation, and on the other hand lifted our people to an unprecedented height ... Stalin's appeal to the people underlines this.
    1. Sweetheart
      Sweetheart 3 July 2018 11: 45
      +15
      Quote: 210ox
      We had three World War II

      War 1812-Patriotic.
      War 1941-1945, Patriotic.
      What third "domestic" have you dug up, is it really imperialistic. 1 World?
      With what .... assumption did it become "domestic"?
      1. solzh
        solzh 3 July 2018 11: 51
        +5
        Quote: The Swordsman
        Quote: 210ox
        We had three World War II

        War 1812-Patriotic.
        War 1941-1945, Patriotic.
        What third "domestic" have you dug up, is it really imperialistic. 1 World?
        With what .... assumption did it become "domestic"?

        Well, Nicholas the Bloody called that war the second Russian.
        1. Sweetheart
          Sweetheart 3 July 2018 11: 56
          +7
          Quote: solzh
          Well, Nicholas the Bloody called that war the second Russian.

          Where a horse with a hoof. Tudy and cancer with a claw .. well, I wanted to at least somehow compare with my own, much more like it. smart rulers, but no. it didn’t grow together .. and the war got into a mess, was contrary to the interests of the country, and lost the kororn with his head .. worthless ..
          1. Opera
            Opera 3 July 2018 12: 26
            +8
            Listen, well, an article about Stalin! About his appeal to the people! After all, is there anything to talk about? Or are you not interested? You can relate to Stalin in different ways, but the leader was strong! This topic is not enough for you? Why are you here trying to spit on the Sayat Orthodox Tsar and thereby offend the believing Russian people! Do you ever feel ashamed? People like you all the time trying to share the history of our great country! You impoverish it and humiliate the peoples of Russia, denigrating everything until 1917 and the Bolsheviks! For many of you, the story begins with Stalin in general! Stalin played a big role in our victory! Emperor Nicholas II and the Russian people won the 1st World War! The betrayal of the left of all stripes under the auspices of our eternal western partners did not allow to take advantage of the fruits of victory! The kind of hatred that the holy Russian Orthodox Tsar causes in you can be explained only by the rage that goes over to millions of Orthodox Christians! If you have even a drop of reason, then answer yourself that you can create in this way at all ?!
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 3 July 2018 13: 50
              +7
              Quote: Oper
              try to spit on the Sayat Orthodox Tsar and thereby offend the believing Russian people!

              No one who believes Russian people is offended. A believing Russian people himself called this emperor Nicholas the Bloody.
              Quote: Oper
              People like you all the time trying to share the history of our great country!

              You and people like you pushed our country into a bloody civil war. It was people like you who didn’t want to give people the right to free medicine, free education, etc. You and people like you (Shkuro, Krasnov and others) brought Hitler beasts to our country. You and people like you rejoiced in the collapse of the Great Soviet Union.
              Quote: Oper
              Emperor Nicholas II and the Russian people won the 1st World War!

              Did the people need this dirty imperialist war? The people understood what he was fighting for? So do not say stupid things.
              Quote: Oper
              What hatred does the holy Russian Orthodox Tsar cause in you?

              What hatred can this cause? This miserable, helpless emperor causes only one grin.
              Quote: Oper
              If you have even a drop of reason, then answer yourself that you can create in this way at all ?!

              We have already created what you and those like you destroyed!
              1. Opera
                Opera 3 July 2018 14: 47
                +5
                I would not be interested to even talk with a person like you, however, you deigned to throw accusations that it turns out like I brought the fascists into the country ?! Sorry I can answer you only here. So none of my ancestors supported the Bolsheviks, not on their paternal or on the maternal side! In my family there were no revolutionaries, red commanders, commissars, and generally Bolsheviks! And thank God! However, all my relatives fought with the Nazis in the ranks of the Red Army. Even women. Almost all were injured and all were awarded orders and medals. They fought not for the world revolution and not for communism, but for their homeland! By my mother, my ancestors are Siberian Cossacks, by father, the peasants of the Tambov province, as far as I can say in three generations, who served in the Semenovsky regiment! Further. Speaking about the fact that you created something there, but it turns out that I destroyed it, I will answer you too — my ancestors served Russia in all generations and fought in all the wars that Russia waged. I have been in uniform since 1986, when I was called up for military service in the ranks of the SA. I have the military rank of sergeant and special lieutenant colonel. Since 1993, participated in almost all the famous events that my country went through. So, the next time you open your mouth, thinking if of course you have a head not only to have it in it! Well, about Nicholas II. It’s bloody for some gorlopans, it’s a rag so that you somehow decide to begin with, at least decide on insults! And it doesn’t interfere even with something to read. Then you will find out that in the Russian Empire there was free education and free medicine, and by the number of doctors, including Zemsky, Russia occupied one of the first places in the world! Tsar Nicholas II is ranked among the Saints by the Russian Orthodox Church, like Tsar the Martyr! Certainly insulting a saint, you are blaspheming and of course you will be responsible for this either here during this life or before God! Both are possible. If you don’t repent, you will have to grind off your loved ones and you are putting this hard work on them with your stupid behavior! And to top it off, the Union collapsed the CPSU, namely its entire political elite in the localities in the Union republics, contrary to the wishes of the people, including mine! The union had to be reformed and let people live humanly!
                1. Sweetheart
                  Sweetheart 3 July 2018 17: 02
                  +5
                  Quote: Oper
                  They fought not for the world revolution and not for communism, but for their homeland!

                  Suppose .. However, they served, the USSR, and since they raised you such a hater of what they have been serving for 70 years, it means that you always had a wormhole in your family.
                  Quote: Oper
                  I have the military rank of sergeant and special lieutenant colonel. Since 1993, participated in almost all the famous events that my country went through.

                  In the execution of the White House, the same thing? In what order did Yeltsin serve?
                  Quote: Oper
                  So, the next time you open your mouth, thinking if of course you have a head not only to have it in it!

                  Are you talking about yourself? All the same, sometimes you need to eat a sandwich. And do not say what you said here. At least chewing a sandwich, no one will understand you and you will not be disgraced. Your interpretations of History here.
                  Quote: Oper
                  Then you will find out that in the Russian Empire there was free education and free medicine, and by the number of doctors, including Zemsky, Russia occupied one of the first places in the world!

                  Blah blah blah ballallalalaa-No need to lie.
                  The collection of the highest marks on the most comprehensive reports for 1898 of governors, military governors and city governors. - SPb., 1900. - P. 44
                  http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/s/h/shatsky_2/Gramotnos
                  t-Nikolaj-005.jpg
                  According to the testimony, in the reporting year, two district zemstvos - Bakhmut and Slavianoserb - decided to introduce universal education in their counties and made appropriate appropriations, thanks to which the possibility of universal primary education in 6 years will appear in Bakhmut and in the Slavianoserb 12 years later, the Highest Your Majesty's Resolution: "How many times he said, there is nothing to rush with this!" and the words: "introduce universal learning" are underlined by Your Majesty’s own hand. "
                  On the Web, one can often find allegations that universal primary education was legally introduced in tsarist Russia. The year of introduction is indicated as the 1908th.

                  Here is a typical example of such a statement:
                  http://www.diary.ru/~timik/p83542957.htm

                  A real cry of the soul. The report was considered at a meeting of the Council of Ministers on March 7, 1900, that is, the emperor knew for sure that in 1912, introducing universal education in at least one county of Russia would be unnecessary haste.
                  https://monco83.livejournal.com/18703.html
                  When anti-communists fall upon Stalinism, they usually try to avoid mentioning the sources of their horrific figures, at best referring to the writer and publicist Solzhenitsyn or a similar character to him.
                  In the same way, they avoid numbers when they praise tsarism. Usually, two facts are cited: the country was so rich that it exported grain abroad, and that industry grew rapidly. All. It is not clear why these two really true facts did not prevent the three revolutions in Russia? They, the anti-communists, are not interested in answering this question.
                  Are these the successes of your royal medicine?
                  according to official data of the tsarist statistics, every year from 6-7 million born babies, at least 43% did not live up to a year or 5 years of age. In other words, at least 4,4 million children died every year in the Empire: from hunger, disease, epidemics, poisoning ...
                  In general, it’s good for you to read.
                  http://maxpark.com/user/2004327006/content/132594
                  1
                  Together with this. You will not be so clearly looking through the pink glasses at this ridiculous figure in the history of Russia.
                  https://mamlas.livejournal.com/4970640.html
                2. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 3 July 2018 17: 48
                  +8
                  Quote: Oper
                  I would not be interested to even talk with a person like you, however, you deigned to throw accusations that it turns out like I brought the fascists into the country ?! Sorry I can answer you only here. So none of my ancestors supported the Bolsheviks, not on their paternal or on the maternal side! In my family there were no revolutionaries, red commanders, commissars, and generally Bolsheviks! And thank God! However, all my relatives fought with the Nazis in the ranks of the Red Army. Even women. Almost all were injured and all were awarded orders and medals. They fought not for the world revolution and not for communism, but for their homeland! By my mother, my ancestors are Siberian Cossacks, by father, the peasants of the Tambov province, as far as I can say in three generations, who served in the Semenovsky regiment! Further. Speaking about the fact that you created something there, but it turns out that I destroyed it, I will answer you too — my ancestors served Russia in all generations and fought in all the wars that Russia waged. I have been in uniform since 1986, when I was called up for military service in the ranks of the SA. I have the military rank of sergeant and special lieutenant colonel. Since 1993, participated in almost all the famous events that my country went through. So, the next time you open your mouth, thinking if of course you have a head not only to have it in it! Well, about Nicholas II. It’s bloody for some gorlopans, it’s a rag so that you somehow decide to begin with, at least decide on insults! And it doesn’t interfere even with something to read. Then you will find out that in the Russian Empire there was free education and free medicine, and by the number of doctors, including Zemsky, Russia occupied one of the first places in the world! Tsar Nicholas II is ranked among the Saints by the Russian Orthodox Church, like Tsar the Martyr! Certainly insulting a saint, you are blaspheming and of course you will be responsible for this either here during this life or before God! Both are possible. If you don’t repent, you will have to grind off your loved ones and you are putting this hard work on them with your stupid behavior! And to top it off, the Union collapsed the CPSU, namely its entire political elite in the localities in the Union republics, contrary to the wishes of the people, including mine! The union had to be reformed and let people live humanly!

                  Your ancestors served not Russia, but the tsar. You have slavery in the blood, nothing can be done about it.
                  In the Union, for your information, people lived like human beings, until the refromators arrived. Everything is upside down.
            2. I am Russian
              I am Russian 3 July 2018 14: 22
              +6
              What is the holiness of this bloody spineless? Is this “master of the Russian land” not defending the Russian people, not defending his power sent down by God? do not make me laugh.
              burn in hell to such such a "saint"
              1. Opera
                Opera 3 July 2018 15: 24
                +4
                The origin of the phrase "throwing beads in front of pigs" has biblical roots. Matthew speaks of the conversations of Christ with his followers. In one of the sermons of the Sermon on the Mount, which is considered to be the basis of the doctrine, it is said: "Do not give the shrine to the dogs and do not throw your pearls before the pigs, so that they do not trample it under their feet ..."
                1. I am Russian
                  I am Russian 3 July 2018 16: 50
                  +6
                  essentially have something to say? or just be rude, as you usually can?
                  1. Opera
                    Opera 3 July 2018 18: 25
                    +2
                    I essentially told you! What to say when you consider the words of Christ to be rudeness ?! Blaspheme and blaspheme! I can bring you the words of the Apostle, after three attempts to exhort heretics, turn away! It is harmful. With you or with those who dishonor the nickname with which you pour dirt here, I have already talked much more! So, let the Apostle forgive me for overfulfilment of the plan! Nothing to talk about with you!
                    1. I am Russian
                      I am Russian 3 July 2018 18: 31
                      +2
                      in essence, you are naughty, and you know it perfectly. Do not impose my obscurantism on me. You have 12 apostles, how are you hiding this time?
                      1. Sweetheart
                        Sweetheart 3 July 2018 18: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: I'm Russian
                        You have 12 apostles, how are you hiding this time?

                        Every neophyte is trying to be holier than the pope .. alas and oh for Opera, the site is clearly confused.
                        In 1982 he took one oath. He swore to one. He changed it, and now he is talking about holiness ...
              2. -Pollux
                -Pollux 3 July 2018 23: 02
                0
                Quote: I'm Russian
                What is the holiness of this bloody spineless?

                Nicholas II seems to be declared a martyr, not a saint? Or do you not know the difference?
            3. Sweetheart
              Sweetheart 3 July 2018 16: 33
              +4
              Quote: Oper
              You can relate to Stalin in different ways, but the leader was strong! AT

              And why are you so alarmed? On the other branch, you spoke of Stalin with such poisonous, hardly restrained hatred .. and suddenly you became interested in this, in truth, Great Man and ruler of Russia?
              Quote: Oper
              Emperor Nicholas II and the Russian people won the 1st World War!

              Brad.
              Quote: Oper
              The kind of hatred that the holy Russian Orthodox Tsar causes in you can be explained only by the rage that goes over to millions of Orthodox Christians!

              Another nonsense.
              Quote: Oper
              If you have even a drop of reason, then answer yourself that you can create in this way at all ?!

              Be so kind as to show that very drop of reason. If you have one and don’t meddle with your religious nonsense.
              Quote: Oper
              You impoverish it and humiliate the peoples of Russia, denigrating everything until 1917

              You're lying again.
              this is yours. in authorities, the most useless and mediocre king of the Romanov dynasty.
              Well, for decency, they would have chosen-John the Terrible, Rurikovich, not a couple of Romanovs-where the sovereign was useful to the country. Peter 1. let him and his suitors, Alexandra 3. but not this insignificant figure who lost the country. Innocent in millions as world , and the subsequent collapse of the country. The Bolsheviks rebuilt Russia. Having made it so much as powerful.
              Quote: Oper
              The betrayal of the left of all stripes under the auspices of our eternal western partners did not allow to take advantage of the fruits of victory!

              Again idle lies.
              February 17 was entirely the merit of the aristocracy, merchants, clergy and generals. What can you recall what the SINOD of the ROC wrote about the abdication and the February bourgeois revolution? Something then no one in the Synod remembered any holiness at all.
              1. Opera
                Opera 3 July 2018 18: 38
                +2
                I can repeat any of my words anywhere! I can call Stalin a strong leader once again, but strong does not mean the right one to put it mildly. Respond in such a rude tone that you have chosen — do not respect yourself! Moreover, you are unprecedentedly bold on the Internet!)))) Regarding the king. Those who betrayed him created an emergency commission in an attempt to find his fault even though quite unexpectedly found out that Nicholas II spent all his inheritance left by his father to rearm the army and help the families of those killed and wounded! This is truly an agromic amount! As a result, they simply did not dare to make any accusations! All this I write is not for you! People will read and be interested. They will read the documents ... Above, I answered the man who is called Russian here disgracing the name of our people. My words to him and to you unconditionally!
                1. Sweetheart
                  Sweetheart 3 July 2018 19: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: Oper
                  . Respond in such a rude tone that you have chosen — do not respect yourself!

                  I don’t need your respect. Moreover, you didn’t realize that for every sneeze you have, with the dust of a hundred years ago, from an old abandoned closet, from where you all drag rumors of gossip and myths. They don’t add any respect to you either.
                  Quote: Oper
                  Moreover, you are unprecedentedly bold on the Internet!

                  And what, does it offer something to measure in reality? What? Epaulettes? Knowledge? What are you going to measure?
                  Quote: Oper
                  Those who betrayed him created an emergency commission in an attempt to find his fault even though quite unexpectedly found out that Nicholas II spent all his inheritance left by his father to rearm the army and help the families of those killed and wounded! This is truly an agromic amount!

                  And this somehow justifies him personally. And equally those who surrendered him and the country? The same bloody sour pot with which nothing good came of .. neither the donuts, nor the loaf, continuous bloody drama of the Civil, that’s what you are responsible for.
                  Quote: Oper
                  People will read and be interested. Read the documents

                  The documents of the "philanthropist-enlightener" who wanted to see are already given to people in the links; there is nothing there that would draw to holiness.
                  Quote: Oper
                  Above, I answered the man who is called Russian here disgracing the name of our people. My words to him and to you unconditionally!

                  Your interpretation is of little interest to me. Russian does not mean the slave of Nikolashka and his ilk.
                  1. Opera
                    Opera 3 July 2018 19: 37
                    +1
                    In this case, the last question. The Holy Tsar of the Passion-bearer is revered by millions of Orthodox Russia. Your attitude is your business. But you publicly insult the venerated saint here and do not think that you insult the feelings of believers?
                    1. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 3 July 2018 23: 07
                      +2
                      Quote: Oper
                      nor do you think you insult the feelings of believers?

                      Igor, do you need to respect the feelings of unbelievers? how does unbelievers feel that terrible cruelties, such as the Inquisition, are associated with the Name of Jesus? or with the name of Allah - terrorism? or with the name of the Holy Tsar — ​​Russia's loss to the Bolsheviks? or is the struggle of the people's monarch Stalin with the red barons called repression?
                      the category of the divine or the saint belongs to this, as Jesus bequeathed in his Sermon on the Mount, secretly. So that the right hand does not know what the left is doing. A true believer does not need a church. The assignment of Nicholas 2 to the face of saints is one of the mistakes of the Church.
                      1. I am Russian
                        I am Russian 3 July 2018 23: 20
                        +3
                        or with the name of the Holy Tsar - Russia's loss to the Bolsheviks

                        The Bolsheviks did not overthrow the tsar; they carried out a coup against bourgeois power - the interim government, which in turn overthrew the tsar.
                        The October Revolution (revolution) was reactionary, patriotic in nature.
                        Otherwise, I agree with you
                    2. Sweetheart
                      Sweetheart 5 July 2018 22: 13
                      0
                      Quote: Oper
                      The Holy Tsar of the Passion-bearer is revered by millions of Orthodox Russia.

                      So what?
                      No less than people remember the good word of Stalin, whom you vehemently hate.
                      However, you demand respect for Nikolashka, spitting on my saints.
                      So with what measure you have measured yourself, they measure it to you.
                      Yes, by the way, now in the transfer of the Right to Vote, a survey was conducted for the Reds or for the Tsar, and so 89.% For the Reds.
        2. Nikolay Fedorov
          Nikolay Fedorov 3 July 2018 12: 17
          +8
          Quote: solzh
          Quote: The Swordsman

          What third "domestic" have you dug up, is it really imperialistic. 1 World?
          With what .... assumption did it become "domestic"?

          Well, Nicholas the Bloody called that war the second Russian.

          The people called it German, and the official power - the 1st World War. So do not make it domestic. That way you can put in a number of World War II and the Russian-Japanese war, as well as the Turkish war.
      2. Nasrat
        Nasrat 3 July 2018 12: 26
        +1
        Quote: The Swordsman

        War 1812-Patriotic.
        War 1941-1945, Patriotic.
        What is the third "domestic" you dug up

        Perhaps 1853-1856 .... The fighting was in the Crimea, in the Far East, Peter was under siege, they came from the White Sea ....
        1. 210ox
          210ox 3 July 2018 13: 07
          0
          It may be differently related to Nicholas II. But initially the First World (Imperialist) in the Russian Empire was declared the Second Patriotic .. And about the Crimean, maybe ..
          Quote: Nasr
          Quote: The Swordsman

          War 1812-Patriotic.
          War 1941-1945, Patriotic.
          What is the third "domestic" you dug up

          Perhaps 1853-1856 .... The fighting was in the Crimea, in the Far East, Peter was under siege, they came from the White Sea ....
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 3 July 2018 17: 51
            +2
            Quote: 210ox
            It may be differently related to Nicholas II. But initially the First World (Imperialist) in the Russian Empire was declared the Second Patriotic .. And about the Crimean, maybe ..
            Quote: Nasr
            Quote: The Swordsman

            War 1812-Patriotic.
            War 1941-1945, Patriotic.
            What is the third "domestic" you dug up

            Perhaps 1853-1856 .... The fighting was in the Crimea, in the Far East, Peter was under siege, they came from the White Sea ....

            If the war for the "pipe" is declared the 3rd Patriotic, will you agree? laughing
      3. not main
        not main 3 July 2018 22: 14
        +1
        Quote: The Swordsman
        Quote: 210ox
        We had three World War II

        War 1812-Patriotic.
        War 1941-1945, Patriotic.
        What third "domestic" have you dug up, is it really imperialistic. 1 World?
        With what .... assumption did it become "domestic"?

        Is the war of 1611-1612 not the Patriotic War? Is not the people risen? But we still remember Ivan Susanin! I'm not talking about Minin and Prince Pozharsky!
  4. Sidor the Fierce
    Sidor the Fierce 3 July 2018 11: 28
    +15
    That's what kind of leader we need NOW.
    1. VeteranVSSSR
      VeteranVSSSR 3 July 2018 11: 35
      -1
      Like: ,, ... your word, comrade Mauser ... ''
      1. Sidor the Fierce
        Sidor the Fierce 3 July 2018 11: 37
        +11
        And what's funny? I would have shot a couple of hundred bureaucrats and I am sure that we would not have known the word Corruption!
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 3 July 2018 11: 43
          +5
          Quote: Sydor Fierce
          And what's funny? I would have shot a couple of hundred bureaucrats and I am sure that we would not have known the word Corruption!

          Berry also thought so ... shot ... until he himself was shot! wassat
          Yezhov went the same way - he finished the same ....
          And the corruption as it was, remains! Someone at the front at the front, where he stayed forever, and someone "at the front" at headquarters and the whole chest in medals ...
          1. BAI
            BAI 3 July 2018 12: 51
            +7
            Quote: Nasr
            Quote: Sydor Fierce
            And what's funny? I would have shot a couple of hundred bureaucrats and I am sure that we would not have known the word Corruption!

            Berry also thought so ... shot ... until he himself was shot! wassat
            Yezhov went the same way - he finished the same ....
            And the corruption as it was, remains! Someone at the front at the front, where he stayed forever, and someone "at the front" at headquarters and the whole chest in medals ...

            And what was the export of capital abroad to Berry, Yezhov and, God forgive me, Beria? Many desks and government officials had real estate in England, Spain, Germany?
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat 3 July 2018 12: 57
              +2
              Laughter through tears .... those who did not even think of owning real estate in England, Spain, Germany, Japan, etc. - were convicted of having links with foreign intelligence! wassat
              Those. a funnel could easily come for you, because a neighbor liked your apartment or summer cottage ... Anonymous - and you are an English spy! laughing
              And corruption - corruption as it was, remains!
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 3 July 2018 13: 31
      +4
      Immediately I remember a joke, my grandfather told .- "what does the era of Stalin have in common with a trip on a tram? Half sits, the second half shakes ...!" After the war, the grandfather who went through the entire war from the first month to 1946 .. was planted as a pest ... He beat up the rear pug - the quartermaster. Because he was harassing his wife, my grandmother, during the war ..., ...
    3. Doliva63
      Doliva63 3 July 2018 17: 53
      +2
      Quote: Sydor Fierce
      That's what kind of leader we need NOW.

      To deserve this, it is necessary to carry out the Socialist revolution. Ready?
  5. Conductor
    Conductor 3 July 2018 11: 41
    +5
    I would like to recall the appeal of Stalin after the war - Citizens and Citizens. not a word about sisters and brothers.
    1. solzh
      solzh 3 July 2018 11: 46
      +9
      Quote: Conductor
      I would like to recall the appeal of Stalin after the war - Citizens and Citizens. not a word about sisters and brothers.

      AND? What are you trying to say?
    2. Sweetheart
      Sweetheart 3 July 2018 11: 48
      +24
      Quote: Conductor
      I would like to remind

      I would like to remind you, since 1947, the abolition of food cards. The USSR canceled food cards in 1947 - two years after the war, and France - in 1949, England - in the early 50s. Moreover, even on cards in these countries, the products were so expensive that they could not be bought.

      And in the USSR 5 years after the abolition of cards, bread, meat, butter already cost 2,5 times cheaper than before the abolition of cards, sugar is two times cheaper. And over the same five years, in the United States, bread prices rose by a third, in England - doubled, in France - more than doubled, and meat prices in the United States increased by a quarter, in England - by a third, in France - doubled. That is, under the political system of the USSR period, when buying products, citizens of the USSR every five years became almost twice as rich. No one has ever been ahead of the Stalinist USSR in terms of economic growth, and what other example of an “effective economy” do you need after that?

      Caring for the Citizens and Citizens of the Soviet Union. Why are you unhappy?
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 3 July 2018 11: 55
        +5
        My father remembers very well that after the war he lay hungry for weeks on the stove, his father was no longer there — he died, his health was disappointing after the front. And mother fell ill from hard work ... There were also brother and sister ...
        Yes, and the grandmother on the mother's side said - there was nothing to eat and they did not give land to plant even a bed of carrots - and this is in the village !. And from the farm they were always met by the foreman and checked with pens whether they had stolen a handful of wheat for the children .. Yes, pearl! sewed pockets at the bottom of the hem, and pearl a handful for children .. One dragged three - the husband did not return from the front ..
        1. Nikolay Fedorov
          Nikolay Fedorov 3 July 2018 12: 32
          +7
          Quote: Nasr
          And from the farm they were always met by the foreman and checked with pens whether they had stolen a handful of wheat for the children .. Yes, pearl! sewed pockets at the bottom of the hem, and a perl handful for children ..

          But now what a vast expanse for the descendants of the thieves of state property! Three years ago there was a bar of impunity theft - 1000 rubles at the purchase price of the affected enterprise. Then they raised it to 1500 rubles, and soon - up to 2500 rubles at the purchase price. Steal - I do not want!
          Quote: Nasr
          My father remembers very well how after the war he lay hungry for weeks on the stove ...

          Let me ask you a curiosity - why did your father, being already quite an adult boy, just remember everything perfectly, lay on the stove for weeks, and did not try to work to eat? I myself began to work with 10 years. My father started working at the age of 9. What prevented your father from working?
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        2. Leshy1975
          Leshy1975 3 July 2018 12: 39
          +9
          Quote: Nasr
          My father remembers very well that after the war he lay hungry for weeks on the stove, his father was no longer there — he died, his health was disappointing after the front. And mother fell ill from hard work ... There were also brother and sister ...
          Yes, and the grandmother on the mother's side said - there was nothing to eat and they did not give land to plant even a bed of carrots - and this is in the village !. And from the farm they were always met by the foreman and checked with pens whether they had stolen a handful of wheat for the children .. Yes, pearl! sewed pockets at the bottom of the hem, and pearl a handful for children .. One dragged three - the husband did not return from the front ..

          Not only you had it, but many, and my grandmother also had nothing to eat. And what could happen after the GV and VO (the first MV, we no longer take it). They gave everything for the front and victory. And the whole country, tearing the last health, worked to fix it as soon as possible. And corrected. That shanty covered with straw, in which the Germans stood by the way, was demolished and a normal rural house was built in the 60s. Grandmother was a collective farmer. No, of course, as some people said, they could surrender to an enlightened and cultured nation and drink German beer. Well, I am one of those who believe that those who surrendered instead of the expected German beer would go for lampshades and other useful things. And what about the IVS? Yes, maybe it has nothing to do with it, he is just part of his great time and great people.
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 3 July 2018 12: 42
            +4
            Not about letting the conversation go, and not about the IVS, but about the fact that they did not live sweetly after the war ...
            Meat, bread were 2,5 times cheaper .... maybe they were, but not for everyone ...
            Quote: The Swordsman
            Quote: Conductor
            I would like to remind

            I would like to remind you, since 1947, the abolition of food cards. The USSR canceled food cards in 1947 - two years after the war, and France - in 1949, England - in the early 50s. Moreover, even on cards in these countries, the products were so expensive that they could not be bought.

            And in the USSR 5 years after the abolition of cards, bread, meat, butter already cost 2,5 times cheaper than before the abolition of cards, sugar is two times cheaper. And over the same five years, in the United States, bread prices rose by a third, in England - doubled, in France - more than doubled, and meat prices in the United States increased by a quarter, in England - by a third, in France - doubled. That is, under the political system of the USSR period, when buying products, citizens of the USSR every five years became almost twice as rich. No one has ever been ahead of the Stalinist USSR in terms of economic growth, and what other example of an “effective economy” do you need after that?

            Caring for the Citizens and Citizens of the Soviet Union. Why are you unhappy?
            1. Opera
              Opera 3 July 2018 13: 00
              +7
              I agree with you completely. My father is your same age. He lives thank God and sometimes tells how they were starving then. Two sisters fell ill and died because they were very weakened by constant malnutrition. After the war, they did not see meat at all in a village in the Tambov Region! Already later there was livestock but everything went on sale. Myself only that it was impossible to sell!
              1. Nasrat
                Nasrat 3 July 2018 13: 04
                +5
                Quote: Oper
                I agree with you completely. My father is your same age. He lives thank God and sometimes tells how they were starving then. Two sisters fell ill and died because they were very weakened by constant malnutrition. After the war, they did not see meat at all in a village in the Tambov Region! Already later there was livestock but everything went on sale. Myself only that it was impossible to sell!

                It was so! The uncle recalled how he said to his mother - Mom, but will there be a time when I’m being eaten? And mother is crying ...
                1. Opera
                  Opera 3 July 2018 13: 20
                  +4
                  The hunger was terrible. They ate both quinoa and nettle! It must be understood that it was at that time that the famous decree 7-8 on three spikelets thundered! How many peasants appeared in the camps such a feeling that there is still no complete information! Along with this, one must take into account the obvious miscalculations of the leadership — there was an increase in the supply of grain abroad and strategic stock was still created ... Grandma always recalled that time — the worst thing was when my grandfather died of his wounds! She always spoke so sincerely — how we survived I don’t know. So God has given.
                  1. Nasrat
                    Nasrat 3 July 2018 13: 24
                    +2
                    My father still drops a tear when he recalls those years ... But the numbers are beautiful:
                    Quote: The Swordsman
                    Quote: Conductor
                    I would like to remind

                    I would like to remind you, since 1947, the abolition of food cards. The USSR canceled food cards in 1947 - two years after the war, and France - in 1949, England - in the early 50s. Moreover, even on cards in these countries, the products were so expensive that they could not be bought.

                    And in the USSR 5 years after the abolition of cards, bread, meat, butter already cost 2,5 times cheaper than before the abolition of cards, sugar is two times cheaper. And over the same five years, in the United States, bread prices rose by a third, in England - doubled, in France - more than doubled, and meat prices in the United States increased by a quarter, in England - by a third, in France - doubled. That is, under the political system of the USSR period, when buying products, citizens of the USSR every five years became almost twice as rich. No one has ever been ahead of the Stalinist USSR in terms of economic growth, and what other example of an “effective economy” do you need after that?

                    Caring for the Citizens and Citizens of the Soviet Union. Why are you unhappy?
                    1. Opera
                      Opera 3 July 2018 15: 13
                      +2
                      You know, lately I've been reading a lot about all these events of the late 19th and 20th centuries and I have been constantly wondering how the Russian people were able to go through all this and maintain their identity ?! It cannot be explained by God's providence! How the peasantry survived is simply beyond comprehension !!! How many terrible burdens of lego on our fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers! And yes, you can draw beautiful numbers! But let’s they draw together with these figures which figures the USSR was investing at the same time in the restoration of Eastern Europe, and how much later did the Third World countries swell in the socialist bloc ?! Theirs did not starve at that time already, who survived. Thanks for that too.
        3. Sweetheart
          Sweetheart 3 July 2018 18: 43
          +2
          Quote: Nasr
          Yes, and the grandmother on the mother's side said - there was nothing to eat and they did not give land to plant even a bed of carrots - and this is in the village !.

          Lies like the famous -th daughter of an officer from the Crimea, take my word for it ..
          1. Opera
            Opera 3 July 2018 19: 10
            +2
            You are rude here to everyone whose opinion does not coincide with your i.e. adoration of Stalin! I’m just curious to ask you, since the famine of 1946-1948 wasn’t ?! Didn't people die? Is that a lie?
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 3 July 2018 23: 13
              +1
              Quote: Oper
              1946-1948 was not ?! Didn't people die? Is that a lie?

              the years were not well-fed but there were no deaths.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 3 July 2018 12: 10
        +4
        The main concern was with urban citizens and civilians. Relatives, grandfathers, grandmothers, my father talked about the terrible poverty in the post-war village. Although one grandfather worked as a team leader at MTS, the other was a worker at a distillery in the countryside. These were state-owned enterprises, so their financial situation was better than that of collective farmers. And the workers of state farms (those of the "old" state farms, before the mass transformation of collective farms into state farms under Khrushchev) lived better than collective farmers. Then, from 1954-1955, under Malenkov and Khrushchev, there was an improvement in the material situation of the collective farmers. And the biggest breakthrough in this area was achieved under Brezhnev-Kosygin.
        1. Opera
          Opera 3 July 2018 20: 05
          +2
          Under Brezhnev-Kosygin ... Mdaaa ... And in 1974 collective farmers were even given passports! But you could just look at them. To go further than the district, permission in the form of a certificate had to be obtained from the chairman anyway!
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 4 July 2018 16: 51
            +1
            Teachers, agronomists, engineers, party organizers who lived on collective farms also had passports until 1974. Like no one took them from former citizens who, for some reason, moved to the countryside. Passportization of workers and employees of state farms has been mandatory since the Stalin era. And given the fact that under Khrushchev more than a third of collective farms were converted into state farms, the workers of these state farms, former collective farmers, automatically received passports long before 1974. Plus, rural residents of suburban areas near large cities and the border zone had passports. Of the seven children of my grandfather, my father’s father, five left for the city in the 50s and 60s, after studying, my father worked in agriculture, but in other areas, not in his native village. It turns out that only one father’s brother remained on his collective farm. I have the majority of cousins, second cousins ​​also in the 50-70s. went to live in the city. In general, even in the absence of passports, the outflow of the population from collective farms of the 50-60s. was huge. It is enough statistics of those years to see how the ratio of urban to rural population has changed. Those who really wanted to leave had such an opportunity.
      3. Xander
        Xander 3 July 2018 12: 15
        +4
        Every five years they became richer and richer, and at some point they became so rich that they burst from untold wealth. And where only historians and economists recruit you laughing
        1. Ivan Ivanov
          Ivan Ivanov 3 July 2018 12: 35
          +2
          Quote: Xander
          Basically, the care was about urban citizens and citizens.

          So listen - the country was divided into thin rural and well-fed urban, which is not true, otherwise there would be no one to raise. And food difficulties are natural - the country is in ruins.

          Quote: Xander
          that burst from untold riches

          Do not invent, the standard of living objectively grew, brains were not enough to maintain party control and a two-circuit monetary system, as in China. They didn’t build protection from the fool, it’s true, there were no objective reasons to fall.
          1. Xander
            Xander 3 July 2018 13: 01
            +1
            Do not invent, the standard of living objectively grew

            Well, everything in the world is relative, with respect to some Uganda, of course, it grew.

            Party control ruined everything. A planned, centralized economy could not live long, because it was bulky, old, inefficient. From scratch, raising and bragging about huge growth is always easy, but then, as it is exhausted, it’s a dead end. It was lucky that in the 70s, oil prices were dragged, otherwise hello perestroika / collapse in the 80s.
            1. Ivan Ivanov
              Ivan Ivanov 3 July 2018 13: 13
              +1
              Quote: Xander
              Well, everything in the world is relative, with respect to some Uganda, of course, it grew.

              USSR GDP - 12% of the world, where is Uganda?

              The Planova has its own problems, the market one has its own, with mine. more serious, for the first time a hybrid would suit everyone. Not party control is ruining, but stupid, ideology is useful to any community if it is for the common good, without it there is no movement, there is it in corporations, and there is some.
            2. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 3 July 2018 23: 20
              0
              Quote: Xander
              A planned, centralized economy could not live long, because it was bulky, old, inefficient.

              The system was conceived by Stalin Books read the sea. Under Khrushchev, the dollar was first launched. We moved away from the meaning of the dual-circuit system. As the proletarians disappeared, they did not change the ideological plate. They did not see a change in the role of the concept of Cost and its dependence on the concept of energy. Just ignored !! As a result, money was equated from industry to money from oil and gas. Reported on success, with negative growth !! Then Gorby EBN. That is the whole history of the USSR after Stalin.
              1. Xander
                Xander 3 July 2018 23: 54
                +1
                The system was thought out by Stalin Books read the sea


                laughing Yes, yes, super-manager Stalin thought out! super system, but it’s they there these are all to blame, they left, they betrayed us. I will not even go into all the details and quote the numbers of your super centralized system, about deficit, low productivity, improper distribution of resources, etc. All this you will find there are SEA books.

                I will ask only a few questions.
                If the system is thought out and it is almost perfect from your words, why did you try to change it on the go? And why did nobody ever try to restart it anywhere? What is wrong with these stupid little people, why they do not accept the gifts of the genius of Stalin? wassat
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 4 July 2018 05: 09
                  0
                  Quote: Xander
                  What is wrong with these stupid little people, why they do not accept the gifts of the genius of Stalin? wassat

                  Have you tried to read "about some problems of the development of socialism in Russia"? where Stalin himself very openly and directly answers your questions.
                  I will also ask you to answer simple questions
                  - What better system is now created?
                  and more
                  - with that centralization and volume, but with today's technology and diversification, whose system would be more viable?
                  - And you did not read Valentin Kasatonov's "Economy of Stalin"?
        2. solzh
          solzh 3 July 2018 12: 37
          0
          And where are you getting these smart ones? laughing
        3. Nikolay Fedorov
          Nikolay Fedorov 3 July 2018 13: 15
          +4
          Quote: Xander
          Every five years they became richer and richer, and at some point they became so rich that they burst from untold wealth. And where only historians and economists recruit you laughing

          And not ashamed to write this? Although, perhaps, what shame for an Israeli am I writing? feel
          It was the USSR and Stalin who made so much effort to create the state of Israel, in which there would be less than 50% of Arabs. It was the USSR that was one of the first to recognize the Jewish state. It was the USSR that was the first to respond to the calls of the Jews and helped the young state to create an army. He helped with the supply of weapons and military equipment, as well as the training of military specialists. This is precisely what allowed the Palestinian Jews to not only create their own state, but also to win a convincing victory over the combined Arab forces under the leadership of the Jordanian king Abdullah in the face of stiff Arabs.
          They didn’t try to think - and where did the military equipment and other Soviet weapons come from, sent massively (FREE, Karl !!!) to Israel via Czechoslovakia and Hungary? I inform you. Soviet people worked without becoming rich, undernourished. But they helped the young Jewish state. And are you laughing at it now? A normal person should be ashamed of this. What about modern Israelis?
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 3 July 2018 13: 37
            +3
            Quote: Nikolai Fedorov

            They didn’t try to think - and where did the military equipment and other Soviet weapons come from, sent massively (FREE, Karl !!!) to Israel via Czechoslovakia and Hungary? I inform you. Soviet people worked without becoming rich, undernourished. But they helped the young Jewish state. And are you laughing at it now? A normal person should be ashamed of this. What about modern Israelis?

            Themselves swollen from hunger, and helped others! One must judge for this, and not be proud!
            What did this help give? Here is the same Israel? And his own people were torn ... and still wonder why the winners live worse than the defeated?
            1. Opera
              Opera 3 July 2018 19: 32
              +2
              The people are not that torn, the people were dying! And this is because now the expression has been planted for 10 years for three spikelets perceived to be exaggerated, and yet it was pure truth and it is a victorious people! Out of political interests, the USSR significantly increased the supply of grain abroad in comparison with the pre-war! At that time, there were not enough men in the country itself, the country was in ruin, there was not enough agricultural equipment, and the harvest was less because of the drought ... All this help at the same time did not fit into the countries of Eastern Europe! The collective farm chairmen were tried for liberalism because they couldn’t just look at their exhausted villagers and tried their best to help! To deny all this is real blasphemy.
              1. Nikolay Fedorov
                Nikolay Fedorov 5 July 2018 10: 19
                +1
                Quote: Oper
                The people are not that torn, the people were dying! And this is because now the expression has been planted for 10 years for three spikelets perceived to be exaggerated, and yet it was pure truth and it is a victorious people! Out of political interests, the USSR significantly increased the supply of grain abroad in comparison with the pre-war! At that time, there were not enough men in the country itself, the country was in ruin, there was not enough agricultural equipment, and the harvest was less because of the drought ... All this help at the same time did not fit into the countries of Eastern Europe! The collective farm chairmen were tried for liberalism because they couldn’t just look at their exhausted villagers and tried their best to help! To deny all this is real blasphemy.

                You would, comrade investigator-prosecutor-judge, stop throwing ash on your head. You should not learn the story from Suvorov, Navalny or other singers of the State Department songs. It’s as if you and I lived in different countries ... You have continuous famines, gulags and genocides. And my many relatives simply lived. None of my relatives died of hunger, thank God. At the front and in the rear they died. A lot of it ... And one clan of my relatives remained miraculously unkulled. They gave birth exclusively to boys - in large numbers. Worked to exhaustion. And the house was built in the end more and higher than the village council.
                PS A small but telling detail. My non-dispossessed relatives dug up a drain hole, did everything wisely. As a result, they didn’t walk "in the wind" like the whole district, but sat down on a warm toilet at home. And my grandfather did the same convenience. All the others in the district were too lazy.
        4. Doliva63
          Doliva63 3 July 2018 17: 58
          +3
          Quote: Xander
          Every five years they became richer and richer, and at some point they became so rich that they burst from untold wealth. And where only historians and economists recruit you laughing

          If for you the measure of wealth is a personal pocket, then the flag you have drawn is correct laughing
  6. solzh
    solzh 3 July 2018 11: 44
    +17
    The Great Conversion of the Great Man to the Great People.
  7. Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 3 July 2018 11: 45
    +5
    With a fright, brothers and sisters, and after the Victory immediately citizens.
    1. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 3 July 2018 12: 38
      +4
      The official daily appeal.
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 3 July 2018 18: 01
      +2
      Quote: Ferdinant
      With a fright, brothers and sisters, and after the Victory immediately citizens.

      Here are those who are arrogant, then they complained that in the country they were "spread rot", and this is just a natural selection - those who don’t have very brains, do not live long laughing
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  9. bober1982
    bober1982 3 July 2018 12: 15
    +1
    Stalin, by such an appeal to the people - brothers and sisters, just took into account the religiosity of the people, the current moment was too critical, the fight against priests quickly and quickly turned off. The authorities could not refuse the help of the Church, atheistic and godless theories were rejected (until this critical moment had passed)
    1. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 3 July 2018 12: 39
      +4
      We must think that Nicholas 2 called all the brothers and sisters.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 3 July 2018 12: 52
        0
        I did not quite understand your idea, but I was a little wary, and now it will start on the thumb - Mannerheim’s board, whitewash.
    2. Evgeny Strygin
      Evgeny Strygin 3 July 2018 13: 27
      +2
      you are talking nonsense. The “fight against priests” in the Soviet version is education and enlightenment. What did they stop? Remember the damn icon over Moscow.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 3 July 2018 13: 52
        +1
        Quote: Yevgeny Strygin
        you are talking nonsense. The “fight against priests” in the Soviet version is education and enlightenment. What did they stop? Remember the damn icon over Moscow.

        Moreover, there is an icon over Moscow, as much has been said, retold, this is a dear comrade, from a series of pseudo-Orthodoxy and beautiful tales.
        How to understand education as the fight against priests? It’s just a masterpiece, Emelian Yaroslavsky himself (Miney Gubelman) didn’t think of it.
        1. Evgeny Strygin
          Evgeny Strygin 3 July 2018 17: 22
          +1
          and understand it - not grimacing.
          1. Opera
            Opera 3 July 2018 19: 48
            +2
            That is, that they killed and exiled priests, destroyed temples and robbed formed the people ?! If you now cancel the exams and schoolchildren run into the temples to grimace you raise their education ?! Or is this not enough, do you think you need to crucify a hundred other clergy and burn all Sunday schools ?!
            1. Evgeny Strygin
              Evgeny Strygin 4 July 2018 08: 00
              0
              Yes, certainly crucify. Or six times. The rest I do not know how to comment - is everything all right with you? Stormy fantasy on historical themes at night for the intimate does not pinch?
    3. Doliva63
      Doliva63 3 July 2018 18: 34
      +2
      Quote: bober1982
      Stalin, by such an appeal to the people - brothers and sisters, just took into account the religiosity of the people, the current moment was too critical, the fight against priests quickly and quickly turned off. The authorities could not refuse the help of the Church, atheistic and godless theories were rejected (until this critical moment had passed)

      Brothers and sisters - and here religiousness, I do not understand. I have brothers and sisters, all are mentally normal - brothers served in the Strategic Rocket Forces, sisters - doctors.
      About the "help" of worshipers in the Second World War I have not heard. I heard only the opposite.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 3 July 2018 19: 01
        0
        Quote: Doliva63
        About the "help" of worshipers in the Second World War I have not heard.

        Stalin appreciated this help; in 1943, at a meeting in the Kremlin with the highest hierarchs of the Church, he thanked them for the help that the Church provided to the front and the people.
        1. Sweetheart
          Sweetheart 3 July 2018 19: 06
          0
          Quote: bober1982
          Stalin appreciated this help; in 1943, at a meeting in the Kremlin with the highest hierarchs of the Church, he thanked them for the help that the Church provided to the front and the people.

          Yes ... it was, but I also remembered well how the hierarchs of the ROCOR praised Hitler.
          And now we see the same thing after the Russian Orthodox Church merged with the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad, according to the completely talkative talkers in cassocks who allegedly were "deceitful" and allegedly crap.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 3 July 2018 19: 36
            0
            Quote: The Swordsman
            Yes .. there was a case, but I also remembered how hierarchs of the ROCOR praised Hitler

            Not true. Stalin did not care about ROCOR, it was an organization alien to him.
            Hitler developed vigorous activity in the occupied Soviet territories - he began to open closed Churches, he wanted to entice people to his side in this way, but his plans failed, the church people (Soviet people) resisted the Germans, and Stalin knew this.
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 3 July 2018 20: 47
          +3
          Quote: bober1982
          Quote: Doliva63
          About the "help" of worshipers in the Second World War I have not heard.

          Stalin appreciated this help; in 1943, at a meeting in the Kremlin with the highest hierarchs of the Church, he thanked them for the help that the Church provided to the front and the people.

          How many priests blew up enemy tanks, how many enemy agents opened, how many guerrilla groups organized? Not at all. Zero good. Parasites at the expense of patients on the head. Why did Stalin hobble with them, a question from another area. Example: in the 85th he met a priest who was finishing political Lviv, he claimed that he became a priest solely by the will of the party and military authorities. Fighting for brains, even though they are ... of that.
  10. Leshy1975
    Leshy1975 3 July 2018 12: 16
    +9
    it is not surprising (after all the accusations starting from the 90s), over the years, my attitude to IVS has improved much.
    And here everything is simple. Yes, the decisions he makes are clearly not controversial and ambiguous. But blaming him for what he did for his own benefit and enrichment will not work, and no one is safe from mistakes. This is really respect for the person who shared all the burdens of time and war in particular. Which has both sons at the front and one died. Can anyone imagine the children of the current "elite" not in London, Paris, but at the front in the trenches? And in the case of a really serious situation in our country, "our elite" will not rush to children and property over the hill? I think it will be so. Accused of tyranny and cruelty. Well, the current leadership really can’t blame it. On the contrary, the greater the amount of theft presented, the greater the chance of getting conditionally or with honor to another high position. (by the way, in the days of Stalin, under the interpretation of WRITTEN, a whole "bouquet" of crimes, even such "innocent" as embezzlement, fell). I’ll just say it for myself, but I'm not sure anymore that mass purges are evil, observing the activities of “our elite” as part of families with brilliant business wives and children, brilliant businessmen (well, plus the rest of the brilliant businessmen are relatives). Comparing the personnel policy of GDP and IVS is not that funny, but not even decent in relation to Stalin. And the ability to achieve goals, the same is not decent to compare. The GDP gives an instruction and forgets it and the results of the execution are not heard. And who would try such a fortel indicating the IVS crank. So, the farther, the more the ITT is gaining respect in my eyes. There is someone to compare.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 3 July 2018 12: 33
      +2
      Quote: Leshy1975
      but I’m not sure anymore that mass purges are evil,

      You can easily fall under these very purges yourself, a very delicate question, there are enough examples in history.
      1. Leshy1975
        Leshy1975 3 July 2018 12: 51
        +1
        Quote: bober1982
        Quote: Leshy1975
        but I’m not sure anymore that mass purges are evil,

        You can easily fall under these very purges yourself, a very delicate question, there are enough examples in history.

        Enough of course, and I won’t argue, especially since it’s delicate. And now what to do when there are a lot of reverse examples in our state. People clearly deserve it, but there is no punishment (do not consider conditional or transfer to another place of work as such). And if "our elite" the farther, the more detached from the people, are we not going to a massive confrontation of the "elite" against the people? And if it comes, what will the price be? Then we definitely won’t get off with individual cases, therefore it’s like “the lesser of two evils is chosen”, which, incidentally, is also not without controversy.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 3 July 2018 13: 41
          +1
          Quote: Leshy1975
          People clearly deserve it, but no punishment

          And who will specifically determine who deserved something, and even more so determine the degree of punishment? The same crooks will determine, if not worse.
          The main contingent of prisoners in the Solovki camps was the former creative elite, as well as former representatives of liberal and anarchist parties, professors and other activists for the rights of the oppressed, that is, those who fought against the legitimate (tsarist) power with their demagogy.
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 3 July 2018 18: 04
        +2
        Quote: bober1982
        Quote: Leshy1975
        but I’m not sure anymore that mass purges are evil,

        You can easily fall under these very purges yourself, a very delicate question, there are enough examples in history.

        "And you do not steal!" (C)
        Business laughing
      3. Sweetheart
        Sweetheart 3 July 2018 18: 46
        +1
        Quote: bober1982
        You can easily fall under these very purges yourself, a very delicate question, there are enough examples in history.

        It’s possible if the environment is the same as those whose four million denunciations are still not declassified — don’t know why?
        Maybe because, well, a lot of people will be among the current "rulers of thoughts, wide pockets and golden toilets" just those very descendants of those who scammed?
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 3 July 2018 19: 08
          +1
          Quote: The Swordsman
          and those whose four million denunciations to this day are not declassified, do not know why?

          In the USSR, every 10th wrote denunciations, in the army the percentage of secret employees was even higher, this indicates primarily a strong state, everything was under control.
          1. Sweetheart
            Sweetheart 9 July 2018 08: 54
            0
            Quote: bober1982
            In the USSR, every 10th wrote denunciations

            Do you write this from your own experience? Or from the words of, for example, Solzhenitsyn, Larina, or some other talker?
    2. spektr9
      spektr9 3 July 2018 12: 53
      +3
      As my history teacher once said - without such a policy, the big question is who would have won the Second World War ...
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 5 July 2018 09: 54
        0
        Quote: spektr9
        As my history teacher once said - without such a policy, the big question is who would have won the Second World War ...

        And whose story is it and whose teacher is it?! Probably what escaped policemen studied in the NTS?
  11. Vanek
    Vanek 3 July 2018 13: 48
    +1
    To each of the readers, this...

    Hello everyone hi
  12. Seal
    Seal 3 July 2018 15: 36
    +2
    Quote: Malyuta
    A believing Russian people himself called this emperor Nicholas the Bloody.

    What, all the same, is the whole nation? And when did you actually name it?
    1. spektr9
      spektr9 3 July 2018 15: 51
      +3
      Likely how bloody Sunday passed and christened ... And in general the king who managed in two wars to put a lot of people at the same time without achieving results in another name and can not
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 3 July 2018 18: 05
        +4
        Quote: spektr9
        Likely how bloody Sunday passed and christened ... And in general the king who managed in two wars to put a lot of people at the same time without achieving results in another name and can not

        You still forgot that the people in those wars were just "meat", and not the recipient of preferences based on their results.
  13. Seal
    Seal 3 July 2018 15: 48
    +1
    Quote: The Swordsman
    Moreover, even on cards in these countries, the products were so expensive that they could not be bought.

    In the USSR, at the end of December 1947, with the salaries of the majority of the urban population between 500 and 1000 rubles, a kilogram of rye bread cost 3 rubles, wheat - 4,4 rubles, a kilogram of buckwheat - 12 rubles, sugar - 15, butter - 64, sunflower oil - 30 ice cream pike perch - 12; coffee - 75; a liter of milk - 3-4 rubles; a dozen eggs - 12-16 rubles (depending on the category, of which there were three); a bottle of Zhigulevskoye beer - 7 rubles; a half-liter bottle of “Moscow” vodka - 60 rubles.
    That is, under the new 1948 year, a hard worker for his monthly salary could buy from 8 to 16 pounds.
    1. Sweetheart
      Sweetheart 3 July 2018 18: 51
      +3
      Quote: Seal
      That is, under the new 1948 year, a hard worker for his monthly salary could buy from 8 to 16 pounds.

      To whom, you see from 8 to 16 half a liter. Wasn’t enough?
      Thus, for a salary of 900 rubles one could buy 300 kilograms of white bread, about 75 kilograms of beef, 300 liters of milk, 39 bottles of vodka, 4 pairs of shoes. Http://russian7.ru/post/chto-mozhno-bylo-ku
      pit-na-srednyuyu-za /
      Do not forget to give references. From where you raise the turbidity. Yes and do not master half a liter, it is harmful, you see. For an intellectual conversation ...
      What prices were in 1947 (the year of monetary reform) for basic foodstuffs and consumer goods and what they became six years later (in the year of Stalin's death), is clear from the table below.

      Name of products and goods / prices in Stalin's rubles 1947/1953

      White bread and bakery products (1 kg) ... 5, 5 rub. / 3 RUB
      Black bread ... 3 rub. / 1 RUB Meat (beef) ... 30 rub. / 12, 5 rub.
      Fish (zander) ... 12 rub. / 7, 1 rub.
      Milk (1 L) ... 3 rub. / 2, 24 rub.
      Butter ... 64 rub. / 27, 8 rub.
      Eggs (ten) ... 12 rub. / 8, 35 rub.
      Refined sugar ... 15 rub. / 9, 4 rub.
      Vegetable oil ... 30 rub. / 17 RUB
      Vodka ... 60 rub. / 22, 8 rub.
      Beer (0, 6 L) ... 5 rub. / 2, 96 rub.
      Bank of crabs ... 20 rub. / 4, 3 rub.
      The car "Victory" ... - / 16000 rub.
      The Moskvich car ... - / 9000 rub.
      Shoes (a pair, on average) ... 260 rub. / 188, 5 rub.
      Chintz (1 m) ... 10, 1 rub. / 6, 1 rub.
      Woolen fabric (1 m) ... 269 rub. / 113 RUB
      Natural silk ... 137 rub. / 100 RUB
      COST OF FOOD BASKET IN MONTH ... 1130 rub. / 510 RUB

      The food basket developed by Soviet scientists in 1950 was significantly heavier than the one proposed by "liberal scientists" in 1994.
      https://www.politforums.net/historypages/14437750
      56.html
  14. Seal
    Seal 3 July 2018 17: 05
    +2
    Quote: Sergej1972
    Then, from 1954-1955, under Malenkov and Khrushchev, there was an improvement in the material situation of the collective farmers.

    This is Malenkov.
    "Came Malenkov
    - Ate pancakes "

    And in 1959, Nikita raised the tax on fruit trees in private courtyards and in household plots. And on the personal possession of animals. Collective farmers and other peasants in response to this, shedding tears, began to cut down their fruit trees and slaughter cattle.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 3 July 2018 18: 07
      +3
      Quote: Seal
      Quote: Sergej1972
      Then, from 1954-1955, under Malenkov and Khrushchev, there was an improvement in the material situation of the collective farmers.

      This is Malenkov.
      "Came Malenkov
      - Ate pancakes "

      And in 1959, Nikita raised the tax on fruit trees in private courtyards and in household plots. And on the personal possession of animals. Collective farmers and other peasants in response to this, shedding tears, began to cut down their fruit trees and slaughter cattle.

      Nikita did not suffer at all from the mind. With him, in fact, the sunset of the Union began.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 4 July 2018 17: 29
      +1
      For some reason my people didn’t cut anything under Khrushchev. And about the fact that they paid for each tree in the last years of Stalin's life, they told. And the fact that there were compulsory deliveries from personal subsidiary plots, they told. By the way, under Malenkov they were greatly reduced, and under Khrushchev, in 1957, they were completely canceled. You correctly write that Khrushchev raised the tax that existed since Stalin's time. And many sincerely believe that before 1959 it did not exist at all. Eccentricities regarding personal subsidiary plots and livestock began in 1959-60. and by the end of 1964 ceased. And most of all the people who bred cattle in cities and workers' villages suffered the most. This was either forbidden altogether or serious restrictions were imposed. In contrast to cities and workers' settlements, on collective farms and state farms a lot depended on the local authorities. Some acquaintances and relatives talk about the last years of the reign, some things, others say that there was nothing particularly terrible. The country was huge. In some cities, the people in 1962-1964. stood in long lines for bread, milk, etc., but somewhere the situation was more or less normal.
      My relatives, despite all the eccentricities of the last 5-6 years of Khrushchev’s rule, still lived in the early 60s. better than in the last years of Stalin's life.
      I think that the refusal of compulsory deliveries from private farms blocked the growth of the tax on fruit trees in its positive consequences.
      As far as I know, the cattle tax was introduced in 1963, and was canceled two years later. There, by the way, a lot depended on compliance with the norms. For rabbits, the bird, the restrictions did not seem to apply. But the number of cows, pigs, sheep, goats in the collective farmer's family was limited by certain norms. It seemed that you could have one cow, two heifers and (or) gobies, one sow with offspring, sheep and (or) goats up to ten, beehives up to twenty, rabbits and poultry without restriction. Collective shepherds, shepherds could hold more cattle, had the right to graze her along with collective farm cattle.
      Slightly messy wrote, sorry. No time for editing.
      1. Victor jnnjdfy
        Victor jnnjdfy 4 July 2018 21: 11
        +3
        My friend’s father was an individual in the Kobrin district of the BSSR. A participant in the war and an order bearer, but in life a peasant-curcul. He kept all receipts, orders and instructions. Reading is some kind of sur. Up to the point that the horse of this individual farmer (who has never been a collective farmer) was obliged to cover the N-th number of collective farm mares in a year. No one asked the horse and the mares.
  15. Seal
    Seal 3 July 2018 17: 17
    +1
    Quote: BAI
    And what was the export of capital abroad to Berry, Yezhov and, God forgive me, Beria?


    “Our financing went according to one scheme: couriers brought money from Soviet comrades,” says William Harn, an ex-assistant of the US Communist Party in 1978-1985. - An ordinary suitcase, and in it - packs of dollars. We wrote receipts. Although in some countries, they say, there was no need even for couriers. Bank cells leased. Any person with a key could come and take the required amount. Thus, the USSR helped with money not only to us, but also to other foreign communists. And not always in cash. I heard that the rebels in El Salvador did not receive dollars, but diamonds - they were also stored in bank cells in the capital of Mexico.
    And how many such “briefcases with diamonds for the dictatorship of the proletariat” like “disappeared” along the way? And together with couriers? And in how many cases has it been "slightly withdrawn"? This happened under Lenin and Dzerzhinsky, and under Stalin with Menzhinsky, Berry, Yezhov, Beria, Merkulov, Abakumov, Ogoltsov, Ignatiev, under Khrushchov with Serov, Shelepin and Semichastny.
    1. Sweetheart
      Sweetheart 3 July 2018 18: 53
      0
      Quote: Seal
      Our financing

      Your funding ... yeah, but do not give a reference to your source of "knowledge"? Or do you pass a gag to something existing?
  16. Seal
    Seal 3 July 2018 17: 23
    +2
    Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
    The people called it German, and the official power - the 1st World War. So do not make it domestic.

    Who is the official authority? In my opinion, the most official power in Russia at that time was Emperor Nicholas II.

    Or do you have candidates for even greater formality than Nicholas II?
    1. Seal
      Seal 3 July 2018 17: 27
      +2
      Nikolay Fedorov
      The people called it German, and the official power - the 1st World War. So do not make it domestic.

      You can add more.

      And further.

      Enough or continue?
      1. Opera
        Opera 3 July 2018 20: 34
        +3
        Yes, they just do not want to know! They do not care do you understand ?! Show them the source, copies of documents, whatever! They don't give a damn! They need to blame the civil war on Nikolai2, justify the subsequent bloody terror and millions of victims! Bawdy and treacherous Brest world! And those values ​​that the Bolsheviks exported from Russia, including over 90 tons of gold that they managed to send to their patrons before they capitulated to the allies of Russia !!! Can a normal person even understand this ?! And they can! It was precisely realizing the insignificance and meanness of the Bolshevik government that in fact they so fiercely hate the Russian Tsar! They say bloody Nikolai 2 ?! How do I still think Vladimir Ilyich then remained alive ?! The poor one hid all the time ... How did all his associates survive and then shoot each other with rapture ?! I won’t put my mind in it!
  17. Seal
    Seal 3 July 2018 17: 31
    +1
    Quote: spektr9
    Likely as bloody Sunday passed and christened ...

    But the State Political Publishing House convinced that the "bloody" of Nicholas II was allegedly called immediately after his coronation, which on May 30 (according to the new style) of 1896 in Moscow on the Khodynsky field killed about 1400 people as a result of a crush.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 3 July 2018 18: 10
      +2
      Quote: Seal
      Quote: spektr9
      Likely as bloody Sunday passed and christened ...

      But the State Political Publishing House convinced that the "bloody" of Nicholas II was allegedly called immediately after his coronation, which on May 30 (according to the new style) of 1896 in Moscow on the Khodynsky field killed about 1400 people as a result of a crush.

      What difference does it make him so? The fact itself, I hope, will not be denied.
  18. RUSS
    RUSS 3 July 2018 22: 14
    +1
    Brothers and sisters .... How smelled fierce, I remembered my seminar training.
  19. Normal ok
    Normal ok 5 July 2018 17: 34
    0
    Brothers and sisters

    As hot as I remembered what was taught at the seminary. And the people liked it.
  20. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 6 July 2018 09: 03
    0
    That is absolutely not enthusiastic about this "brothers and sisters." As well as from the subsequent listing of military leaders - from Nevsky to Kutuzov.
    It seems that then, for Stalin, there were no Soviet people - a serious stratum of urban residents (and even part of the rural population); for him, the whole nation was concentrated in some kind of incline-Kerzhatsky layer, ready to pray and bow down even to the temple, even to the stump.
    No, of course, removing the atheistic aggressiveness and not splitting society in vain was the right decision. But these "brothers and sisters" look like an excess, testifying even to the inadequacy of the leader.
  21. ver_
    ver_ 7 July 2018 05: 52
    0
    Quote: Oper
    I essentially told you! What to say when you consider the words of Christ to be rudeness ?! Blaspheme and blaspheme! I can bring you the words of the Apostle, after three attempts to exhort heretics, turn away! It is harmful. With you or with those who dishonor the nickname with which you pour dirt here, I have already talked much more! So, let the Apostle forgive me for overfulfilment of the plan! Nothing to talk about with you!

    .. Jesus Christ = Prince Andrei Bogolyubsky - blood on him is not measured as well as sins .. His woman betrayed him, his relatives executed him .., yeah - the same * saint * as Dzhugashvili .. Dzhugashvili the same * failed * ( poisoned) - well, he was a very effective manager when an executioner was behind his shoulder ..
  22. Seal
    Seal 9 July 2018 08: 43
    0
    Quote: The Swordsman
    To whom, you see from 8 to 16 half a liter. Wasn’t enough?
    Thus, for a salary of 900 rubles, one could buy 300 kilograms of white bread, about 75 kilograms of beef, 300 liters of milk, 39 bottles of vodka, 4 pairs of shoes


    The cost of a bottle of vodka is a universal indicator. Again. On New, 1948, a bottle of the most common Moscow Special vodka cost 60 (sixty) rubles. Salaries were from 500 to 1000 rubles.
    If you didn’t even buy 1000 rubles, thirty-nine bottles of vodka.
  23. Seal
    Seal 9 July 2018 08: 59
    0
    Quote: The Swordsman
    Your funding ... yeah, but do not give a reference to your source of "knowledge"? Or do you pass a gag to something existing?

    And what, you were banned in Google?
    Brezhnev's dollars: where did the "Party Gold" in the amount of $ 11 billion go?
    Newspaper article: Argumenty i Fakty Weekly No. 41 12/10/2011
    1. Sweetheart
      Sweetheart 9 July 2018 09: 05
      0
      Quote: Seal
      Newspaper article: Argumenty i Fakty Weekly No. 41 12/10/2011

      read icteric articles?
      How is the commission of the Yegor Gaidar that spent a bunch of pennies, but he never found a damn thing, the notorious "party gold"?
  24. Seal
    Seal 9 July 2018 09: 04
    0
    Quote: Doliva63
    What difference does it make him so? The fact itself, I hope, will not be denied.

    The fact that political propagandists called Nikolai the Second - Nikolai the Bloody, of course I will not deny. But do you probably understand the difference between political propagandists and the people?
    However, even part of the people, without thinking at all, could repeat this version. Like many other versions. For example, Lenin never called Comrade. Trotsky, Kamenev or Zinoviev "political prostitutes." But in one film this phrase slipped through, then the Political Publishing House circulated it - and please. Almost the whole country (including myself) was once sure that Lenin called them that way.