The irreconcilable struggle for the health of the nation. Market reaction to cigarette excise growth

The Russian government continues the uncompromising struggle for the health of the nation. This time they decided to raise the level of health by increasing the excise rate on cigarettes. As you know, the rate increase took place on July 1. The figures are as follows: on 10% plus 14,5% the estimated cost per thousand cigarettes.

This is the second increase in the excise rate on tobacco products for two years.

So from 2017, the rate was 1562 rubles (no more than 2123 rubles). Now - 1718 rubles (no more than 2335 rubles.).

In the material RIA News it is reported that tobacco companies are preparing to respond to the increase in the excise rate by raising the price of tobacco products. At the same time, it is noted that “there is no direct correlation between the increase in the price of tobacco and the increase in the excise rate” But it was immediately added, in the cheapest segment of tobacco products a pack of cigarettes will add in the price of about 5-6 rubles. This increase will take place in a few weeks - when products made after the excise rate increase reach the market.

Against this background, it is worth publishing statistics on the number of smokers in Russia. If you believe the data of the Romir research group, which were based on a population survey, the number of smokers in our country for five years has fallen by more than 30%. At the beginning of 2018, 26% of Russians surveyed called themselves smokers.

Earlier in the RF Armed Forces decided to replace the issuance of cigarettes to smokers for the issuance of candy.

Recall that earlier, Vladimir Putin said it was necessary to take measures that would eventually increase the average life expectancy in the country to 80 years by the 2030 year.

Comments

[Vanek]

The fight against smoking and the fight against smokers are two different things.

Rising prices and smoking bans in public places (stop) - there is a struggle with smokers as such.

[The black]

As you know, the rate increase took place on July 1

. Well, everything seems to be Saturday, evening, today my beloved power will not go into my pocket anymore. but no, a mistake came out, it turned out without a rest servants of the people work, everyone thinks about Russia

[The black]

there is a struggle with smokers as such.

..... this is the encouragement of smuggling and growing tobacco in their own gardens .... a healthy lifestyle needs to be promoted (and what is being promoted in the mass media in our country ...? ), install horizontal bars in yards, open gyms, make classes available in sections ...

[Uncle lee]

Better samosad than ersatz tobacco!

[Ushly_bashkort]

For samosad you need to have a garden / garden to go there periodically, to suffer with it. Not everyone can afford it. Well, there is a pipe and high-quality tobacco, and not the dregs that are shoved into cigarettes, cigarettes in the end.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Ushly_bashkort

Not everyone can afford it.

so don’t smoke

[Ushly_bashkort]

It’s easy to skazat, but it’s hard to do =) Sometimes I can not smoke for a month, sometimes without animals, it’s natural to be a beast, somehow it turns out that way.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Better samosad than ersatz tobacco!

Better in any way. He quit smoking 15 years ago, which is what I wish for everyone.

[72jora72]

Better in any way. He quit smoking 15 years ago, which I wish everyone

Threw 5 years ago, now the truth is popper weight

[tap]

Weight rushing on age. Therefore, now you also need to quit eating.

[Per se.]

Quote: 72jora72

now the weight is really good

With age, many have gotten "weight down", even if they continue to smoke. But, as the women are being led to, you cannot say otherwise, they are now smoking almost all the time, "slender women" ... That is the paleo that they are now selling to smokers, the real poison, often, there is no tobacco at all, paper-based and chemical impregnation , "smoking mixture". Unhappy this foolishness can not smoke, and, too, can not quit. Already it comes to the fact that, like damned, they go smoking every 30-40 minutes, some of them get up at night. In Soviet times, very rarely smoked on the go, now it is a common phenomenon. A smoking woman was rare, it was either some kind of extravagant personality, such as a poetess, actress, or who came from the zone, and then they didn’t particularly advertise their addiction, often in solitude. Now there are more women in the smoking rooms of women than men ... It is sad, in and of itself, smoking, and, especially, the smoking of the surrogate that supplanted normal tobacco. Our authorities would be better concerned about the quality of imported smoking rubbish, rather than raising the price of import of poison.

[Olegovi4]

Quote: Per se.

women, you can’t say otherwise, they’re now smoking almost without exception, “slenders”.

I will support. I began to notice that on the street I often meet ladies with gypsies than men. or the smokers "hide" where?)))

[Vanek]

Quote: Olegovi4

or are the smokers "hiding" where?)

If decent ...

I'm on the sidelines ...

[Vanek]

Quote: 72jora72

Threw 5 years ago

I haven’t been drinking alcohol for eight years. 96 minus 22 kg.

Oops!

Smoked, smoked and will ...

I do not advise you. I don’t advise anyone. Dumb thing.

Head

[72jora72]

Quote: 72jora72
Threw 5 years ago


I haven’t been drinking alcohol for eight years. 96 minus 22 kg.

Oops!

Smoked, smoked and will ...

I haven’t been drinking alcohol since 2000 (there have been two breakdowns for the whole time one and a half and two weeks).

[Simargl]

Quote: 72jora72

now the weight is really good

Yeah! And I tried to learn to smoke for a whole month ... 20 years ago. About five years old I have been struggling lazily with weight. This is from smoking, probably ...
Or with age I become more lazy and rational, I save energy ...

[Vladimirsky]

Quote: Ingvar 72

which I wish to everyone.

I didn’t smoke at all - which is what I wish for everyone. I often ask smokers to explain what good is wrapped in tobacco paper? I never received a clear answer.
But I live with 82-year-old smelled tobacco father-in-law, smoking 2 packs a day for the past 65 years. In the morning I wake up from his loud expectorations in the toilet - it seems that pieces of lungs fly out with mucus.

[cost]

I often ask smokers to explain what good is wrapped in tobacco paper?

You don’t have to suck here
here it is necessary to drag out

[Igor V]

Quote: Vladimirsky

Quote: Ingvar 72

which I wish to everyone.

I didn’t smoke at all - which is what I wish for everyone. I often ask smokers to explain what good is wrapped in tobacco paper? I never received a clear answer.
But I live with 82-year-old smelled tobacco father-in-law, smoking 2 packs a day for the past 65 years. In the morning I wake up from his loud expectorations in the toilet - it seems that pieces of lungs fly out with mucus.

You don’t have to imagine everything so straightforwardly. The doctor anesthetist recommended that I myself smoke in the morning. From this, sputum liquefies and loses weight more easily. And this notorious sputum does not appear from cigarettes, but from diseases earned during life. Cigarettes help him, so he lived to such an age, spoils statistics, despite the advertising on packs.
And I advise you to move out from the father-in-law, and your irritation will pass.

[Vladimirsky]

Quote: Igor V

Cigarettes help him

those. if someone does not have sputum and he does not smoke - then does not get sick ???
I made fun ... he lives on everything ready. Heavier than a cigarette for 10 years in his hands held only half a liter. He doesn’t know how to replenish the account on the phone ......
As for the advice - so he moved to live with us, having sold a house in the village - it’s kind of hard in winter alone ...

[Igor V]

Quote: Vladimirsky

As for the advice - so he moved to live with us, having sold a house in the village - it’s kind of hard in winter alone ...

Well what can I say, take away his cigarettes and he will not bother you soon.

Quote: Vladimirsky

Quote: Igor V

Cigarettes help him

those. if someone does not have sputum and does not smoke, then it does not get sick ???.

I mentioned straightforwardness.
If, for example, a person worked N years in a workshop near the grinding site, then he will probably have chronic bronchitis, which sometimes becomes acute. And if this person was also damaged by the recurrent nerves during the operation, then the accumulation of sputum is a matter of life. In any case, medical websites write that a person will die sooner or later from this, especially at night when he sleeps.
So you be careful to mock. No one is insured.

[Vanek]

Quote: Vladimirsky

paper with

Filter. There is still a filter.

Quote: Vladimirsky

Clear answer

NOTHING!

Like a smoker I say.

Quote: Vladimirsky

so never

Because.

[Simargl]

Quote: Vladimirsky

wrapped tobacco paper

There is no tobacco there for 15-20 years. Algae at best.
By the way, algae do not burn the throat so, so I had to shove the trick with whitefish "light": the puff is not so burning, so you can draw in more smoke. In contrast to the same cigar ...

[shura7782]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Better samosad than ersatz tobacco!

Before the samosad, you need a cold elite moonshine.
It is necessary to closer to the root.
Mamma Miya, where does childhood go .....?!

[Vanek]

Quote: Black

.healthy lifestyle should be promoted

Here!

This will be the fight against smoking.

Quote: Black

it is the promotion of smuggling and growing tobacco in their own gardens.

I smoke, as you say, smuggling. And I don’t break off a gram. She costs two cheaper. Samosad? I will ask the father-in-law. He lives all summer in the country. For the winter will procure.

All kotnrabanda is done in the city of Odessa on Malaya Arnautskaya street. *

[electrooleg]

And I switched to steam! Now I do not cough lying down horizontally. I recommend to everyone! I wish you the thickest pile and health guys!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: elektroleg

And I switched to steam!

Lungs with glycerin also clog.

[electrooleg]

Glycerin, unlike resin, is a water-soluble compound.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: elektroleg

Glycerin, unlike resin, is a water-soluble compound.

Have you seen transparent toys with glycerin and water?

[electrooleg]

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BB%D0%B8%
D1%86%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BD

So in toys, instead of glycerin, one name.

Glycerin is a colorless, viscous, very hygroscopic liquid, mixes up with water in any proportions.

[Ingvar 72]

Oleg, I worked with glycerin. The wheels are still treated with a mixture of water and glycerin, the water dries, and the glycerin remains.

[Per se.]

Quote: elektroleg

And I switched to steam!

Well, with "light steam" or vapors in the lungs, Olezhische. With this rubbish, flippers can be glued together faster, no one checks that they have splashed for this pair. I'm surprised you, nicotine addicts! Maybe you can get to an enema, too, than “sterile” “smoking” ...

[electrooleg]

Quote: Per se.

I am surprised to you, freak addicts from nicotine!

I soak a non-nicotine slush. Pure taste. I only need a nipple, nicotine is not required!

[Per se.]

Oleg, to each his own. For me, smoking is an empty and bad habit, like everything connected with it. The ritual tube of the Indians to date, thanks to tobacco concerns with their super profits on shit with special additives, instead of good tobacco, has become a need to breathe this rubbish like air. Here, in the blowing of soap bubbles, the meaning has become even more, especially since the benefits of positive instead of “nipples”.

[electrooleg]

Quote: Per se.

smoking is an empty and bad habit

Exactly! Therefore hover!

[Conductor]

Oh, right word, a room to open is denyuzhka needed, but to ban and raise, then paper is what to take officials.

[tracer]

Wait, wait ... So you do not die before you measured the nature of years you need to advertise a "horizontal bar"? Seriously? Have you ever heard of the fact that this is somewhat "harmful"? That is, did someone prove to you through the “inscriptions at the stops” and other advertisements the advantages of the “tournament” over the number on the foot in the morgue? You yourself do not understand? And what will "carry" you ... You tell the doctor. The decree is correct. And I don’t want to offend you. It applies to every smoker rather.

[A good one]

Quote: tracer

Wait, wait ... So you do not die before you measured the nature of years you need to advertise a "horizontal bar"? Seriously? Have you ever heard of the fact that this is somewhat "harmful"? That is, did someone prove to you through the “inscriptions at the stops” and other advertisements the advantages of the “tournament” over the number on the foot in the morgue? You yourself do not understand? And what will "carry" you ... You tell the doctor. The decree is correct. And I don’t want to offend you. It applies to every smoker rather.

“To smoke harming one’s health” and everyone perfectly understands this and in order not to offer the state as an alternative to this, everyone who wants and quits smoking should choose and adhere to his own path in this, in accordance with his health, willpower, and hobbies.

[sogdy]

Quote: Not bad

"To smoke harm to health" and everyone perfectly understands it

On June 27, 2002, the US Supreme Court ruled "forever" that all the "evidence" presented for the dangers of smoking is untrue. The harm of smoking has not been proven, the benefits are objective.
The same data were presented by the Military Medical Academy of the RF Armed Forces in 1997.
The same data were obtained during military medical research in Bulgaria in 1985-87, and confirmed in 1993-94.

We return to the conclusions of the 30s - with the ban on tobacco, one third of the population is doomed to a life span of 34-37 years. On the same basis, Peter 1 introduced compulsory smoking in the Russian Empire.

[Muvka]

For the money of the tobacco giants and not such evidence will be presented.

[ul_vitalii]

Quote: sogdy

Quote: Not bad

"To smoke harm to health" and everyone perfectly understands it

On June 27, 2002, the US Supreme Court ruled "forever" that all the "evidence" presented for the dangers of smoking is untrue. The harm of smoking has not been proven, the benefits are objective.
The same data were presented by the Military Medical Academy of the RF Armed Forces in 1997.
The same data were obtained during military medical research in Bulgaria in 1985-87, and confirmed in 1993-94.

We return to the conclusions of the 30s - with the ban on tobacco, one third of the population is doomed to a life span of 34-37 years. On the same basis, Peter 1 introduced compulsory smoking in the Russian Empire.

In America, tobacco companies are suing millions of people to sue for undermining their health, which’s for the heap.

[sogdy]

Quote: ul_vitalii

In America, tobacco companies are suing millions of people to sue for undermining their health, which’s for the heap.

Facts please.
Recent allegations have been skin cancer. Still absurd. Our, domestic, data - the incidence of cancer in the same socio-professional-territorial group among smokers is 3 times lower. A number of cancers are absent.

Most of the data manipulation is based on the fact that smokers are usually at risk - they work more, in more difficult conditions, etc. - since their health and moral stability are initially higher.
Exclusively a matter of metabolism.

So to refer to the "money of corporations" is not to know too much. For example, annual amounts of damage from careless smoking. The number of dead - including completely third-party. Amounts of expenses for fire protection, including the organization of places for smoking - and, especially, the allocation of sites for it.

And with this we play - life versus money.

[Flatter]

Smoking reduces oxygen consumption, which, being the strongest oxidizing agent, shortens life expectancy. People live longer in areas with low oxygen levels.

[tracer]

When do you smoke than stuff whitefish? One would like to say "exhale beaver" .. An American court can prove anything and then cancel it for lack of evidence. Not well, I swear ..... And although it’s right, you think correctly, comrade. No one also proved harm lying on the rails in the subway, or the road goes on red. In vain that your mother kept you in childhood from such a sincere and harmless desire to put your fingers in the socket .. No one has managed to prove the harm from the sockets ..

[Snail N9]

The inscription on the pack of cigarettes: "you can smoke, anyway, you will not survive until retirement" .....

[tap]

At the beginning of the sentence, add: “The FIU recommends ....”

[SSR]

Quote: Black

and we are propagandizing in the media what? ... right, they’ll banyat for this word)

I can specifically walk around the city and take photos not only of horizontal bars, but of whole street gym groups.
Knock on your gorono or on the site virtue, but at the expense of the media I am silent. Np I know what kind of media you have.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Well, I don’t know, I live in new buildings, in every yard there is a horizontal bar and bars, etc. Yes, and the prices for the gym are now quite affordable, and for children a lot of free sections (Krasnoyarsk)

[Muvka]

Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin

Well, I don’t know, I live in new buildings, in every yard there is a horizontal bar and bars, etc. Yes, and the prices for the gym are now quite affordable, and for children a lot of free sections (Krasnoyarsk)

Because of the smoke from the cigarette, the horizontal bars are not visible ...

[Vanek]

Quote: Muvka

horizontal bars are not visible

And it depends on where you look. Who wants to see it.

Vladimir

[Vanek]

Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin

for children a bunch of free sections

If not free, then at least acceptable. Adequately. Available.

I drive my son to SAMBO. 500 p. month. There was an option with football, but there it is more expensive.

[Vanek]

Quote: Black

work without rest

Poor things ...

[Vladimirsky]

Quote: Black

my favorite power will not go into my pocket. but no

I calculated roughly - if you smoke 2 packs / day - for a year in the region of 600 dollars. My father-in-law has been a smoker for about 65 years (he is almost 82). Given the current price of cigarettes, for 65 years he would have “smoked” a good one-bedroom apartment. Given the cheap cigarettes in Soviet times, I think the father-in-law "smoked" the cost of "odnushki".

[bald]

This is generally a topic, and those who quit smoking (including myself) are generally cruel.

[tracer]

Do not smoke, what problems? Everything is simple.

[Grandfather]

sometimes it seems that the authorities need non-smokers, non-drinkers, old, unemployed, sick, dumb
sapiens.

[Lyapis]

Don't you think that “non-smokers” and “non-drinkers” cannot stand in the same logical chain next to “sick” and “dumb”? And the need for power in the unemployed is very doubtful.

[sogdy]

Quote: Lyapis

Don't you think that “non-smokers” and “non-drinkers” cannot stand in the same logical chain next to “sick” and “dumb”?

Statistics (if anything, the Health software package continues to work) sets it that way.
Add - not only in our country.
Disappointed?

There is such a thing - Eurobuddism. The stupidest reasoning and, most importantly, mandatory exercises that reduce self-control and critical thinking, - as a result, an increased tendency to obey. Hypnotism is called - unlike hypnosis.

[Conductor]

and not surviving to retirement.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Dead Day

sometimes it seems that the authorities need non-smokers, non-drinkers, old, unemployed, sick, dumb
sapiens.

But the authorities are not at all against the fact that people would thump. You can’t smoke in trains and planes, but you can quite run into degrees and fight with conductors, stewardesses and passengers. Young people occupy benches in the evening and by morning there are deposits of beer cans and bottles. Thumping is not harmful - cirrhosis, psychosis, crime, ruined families, road accidents, injuries at work, at home, etc. But for a couple of drags in the wrong place, they will soon begin to execute. "Drink hard, but don't smoke!" - with care, your Government.

[tracer]

You have strange analogies .. You still don’t set fire to everything around you? No one is spying on you from neighboring windows? And from under the sofa?

[Vanek]

Quote: tracer

what problems?

And no one says that this is a problem.

Do not want do not.

I smoke at the bus stop. You do not want. For God's sake. GO OUT!

The law was adopted after I started smoking. Any questions to me?

[tracer]

I personally have no questions for you. We are discussing the issue. So from the point of view of the state, you as a taxpayer must live as long as possible in order to pay taxes. When you get sick, and very seriously, the state somehow invests a huge amount in you .. So that you still pay taxes and at the same time live. Does he need it? It is not clear to you who you give the money to, but ultimately the state will pay for it? Young girls smoke all in a row .. How much should be invested so that their sick children will be treated later, and after all crocodiles will pour tears. Ethl is humanly understandable. One thing is not clear ... If everyone understands why millions of people are addicted to this addiction .. Paradox ..

[sxfRipper]

from the point of view of the state, you, as a taxpayer, must live as long as possible in order to pay taxes

This is what worries our state!

[Conductor]

Young girls (and they really smoke a lot) Homebuilder enter

[Gnefredov]

I have a deep conviction that some rubbish was added to cigarettes so that the smoker could not leave this habit. I myself have long abandoned, but what it cost me ...

[Muvka]

Quote: Gnefredov

I have a deep conviction that some rubbish was added to cigarettes so that the smoker could not leave this habit. I myself have long abandoned, but what it cost me ...

And I have a deep belief that you simply do not have willpower.

[72jora72]

And I have a deep belief that you simply do not have willpower.

He smoked from 13 years old, while for 12 years he was engaged in the classical struggle, before quitting, he smoked two packs. Threw after half a pack of Tabex.

[Vanek]

Quote: tracer

Young girls all smoke in a row

Seventeen years ago I met Nadezhda Nikolaevna. To her question:

“How do you look at me to smoke?”

- Smoke - I will knock out teeth!

Fourteen years as married.

I do not smoke.

And so, yes. They still have to give birth.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

And let's, when you will be standing at the bus stop, I’ll come and meet your need for a small one, in the end, to write it is a natural need, but to smoke, no !!! And if you do not like it, then leave silently, huh !!!

[sxfRipper]

But this will already be a violation / insult to public morality!

[Conductor]

This hooliganism in CoApe. although if you write or poop hunting. then somehow you need to cope. and even a spit. and sneeze and yawn. and fart cannot be offended by someone’s morality.

[Vanek]

Whether:

Quote: Conductor

fart

for spite? So that you build your eyes?



Joke.

[Vanek]

Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin

peeing is a natural need

I'm not against. And there is.

But!

Going for little need is FOR a stop. Into the bushes.

This is the question of decency. About education.

Ivan

[Muvka]

So go smoke FOR a stop. Be decent.

[Simargl]

Quote: Vanek

Going for little need is FOR a stop. Into the bushes.
This is the question of decency. About education.

And he to you tool not going to show - only make golden rain
He will come home smoked, and you - wet.
Or do you agree that indulging in natural and unnatural needs is necessary in secluded or specially designated places? This is the question of decency.

[Vanek]

Quote: Simargl

to the question of decency

Obscure the passerby at the bus stop. This is immensely cooler than smoking at the same bus stop!

[Simargl]

Quote: Vanek

it's a lot cooler

It's all a matter of tradition. The same burqa in Europe - while bad manners. And open gay in CA will not live long.

[not main]

Quote: tracer

Do not smoke, what problems? Everything is simple.

This is easy for you! And it is VERY easy for me! Although I understand that this is a HARMFUL habit!

[novel66]

Vanek, such measures are also necessary, I don’t smoke, and I don’t really like it when I am somewhere on the railway station. Stations are fumigated by fighters for their rights. but I have no rights, it turns out

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

So here I am about the same! If a person has a need to smoke, so let him decide it is not at my expense !!!

[Separ DNR]

Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin

If a person has a need to smoke, so let him decide it is not at my expense !!!

Come on, okay ... WITHOUT PANIC!
DNR will help you with your own cigarettes
True, and what kind of tobacco FU, and in a pack of “Winston” may be “Lucky strike”, but it doesn’t matter

People's Truth - Donbass
Jun 14 at 23:56

The triumph of justice and justice.

Recently we had a publication in which we described the nuances of the smuggling activities of the Ministry of Emergencies of the DPR (https://vk.com/wall-40947678_2734).
There are certain successes in this matter.
It all started with the fact that, near the border across the territory of the Russian Federation, UAZ cars were driving full of counterfeit cigarettes produced in the DPR.
But for the smugglers a terrible thing happened.
The first vehicle was caught 1 km from the border on the side of the Russian Federation. The person driving was detained, and about 400 blocks of counterfeit tobacco products were found in the car.
We will not talk about the quality of these cigarettes, production conditions and standards that no one has ever complied with.
The second car was found in a forest belt at a distance of three kilometers from the border, but the driver was not found in it.
The driver showed genius and after a while came to declare that his car was stolen and was also detained as a result.
Both collaborate with the investigation and actively help him.
But no one could have thought that the Russian border guards, who even occupied certain posts, would come to "solve the problem."
Not fused. They were detained.
Detainees contributing to the investigation have already talked about the involvement of representatives from the DPR.
Actually, taking this opportunity, I want to convey greetings to some direct participants, namely:

(TEXT CUT, full article, here: https://vk.com/truepeoples)

[ul_vitalii]

Roma, welcome I also don’t smoke, I agree with the comment.

[novel66]

hi, Vitaliy! But you will make a remark - they are still offended, nadis kicked the chicken from the playground. so a little before the fight did not reach

[Masya masya]

Roman, hi! the song was remembered ...
Stop smoking, quit! To fool, to smoke, to throw a fool!
You don’t need to smoke - move on!
Say yes to health and no to nicotine
And then it will fly away with cigarette smoke.
To and fro, yeah! Head is spinning.
Back, forward, jump - it's time to take a break.
And it’s not even the weather and your tiredness,
Take care of yourself, quit smoking soon!
Stop smoking - get on your skis!
Stop smoking - you will not be offended by your health!

[novel66]

I’ll add, it’s better not to start like me! Masenka, the kindest

[Vanek]

Quote: novel xnumx

better not to start

100%

[sogdy]

Roman, I think your medical record has a yellow sticker.

[novel66]

star of david ??

[sogdy]

No, usually a strip at the end. But it depends on the storage method.

[novel66]

colleague. do not scare me! what is the sticker?

[Vanek]

I have a car with a trailer. In 2002, a simple category "B". In the current edition, this is "B1". If I'm not mistaken...

Me now what? Go relearn? So it turns out?

Quote: novel xnumx

I don’t smoke

I sincerely envy you. How many I did not try. How not to try. Anyway, I pack 0,8 packs a day. And that. I think this is a lot. Father-in-law 2 packs smokes.

Quote: novel xnumx

fighters for their rights. but I have no rights, it turns out

A mutual decision is needed here, something ... Roman, you killed me. Not ready to answer (not about the lack of rights). I have no words. I apologize.

If I had not smoked, it would have been unpleasant for me too. Probably.

Novel

[novel66]

let's live in peace!

[Vanek]

Quote: novel xnumx

let's live in peace!

So be it!

Novel

[ul_vitalii]

Quote: Vanek

I have a car with a trailer. In 2002, a simple category "B". In the current edition, this is "B1". If I'm not mistaken...

Me now what? Go relearn? So it turns out?

Quote: novel xnumx

I don’t smoke

I sincerely envy you. How many I did not try. How not to try. Anyway, I pack 0,8 packs a day. And that. I think this is a lot. Father-in-law 2 packs smokes.

Quote: novel xnumx

fighters for their rights. but I have no rights, it turns out

A mutual decision is needed here, something ... Roman, you killed me. Not ready to answer (not about the lack of rights). I have no words. I apologize.

If I had not smoked, it would have been unpleasant for me too. Probably.

Novel

Ivan, welcome He quit it himself, tortured a cough, but I can tell you that three acquaintances quit smoking, bought Tabaks tablets, a bunch of tablets with a course of absorption in the pharmacy. At the same time, according to them, smoking is allowed and craving disappears at a certain stage, each of them has a lot of pills left, so they piled them and got one more. They don’t smoke for two years, we work together. Try it, it's worth it.

[Vanek]

Quote: ul_vitalii

it's worth it

I'm not against.

Quote: ul_vitalii

Try

And you want and prick. Somewhere inside, yes. Hunt to quit. Tabaks say ... Sooner or later I will come to this.

The main thing is that it would not be too late.

R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№

[Simargl]

Quote: Vanek

I have a car with a trailer. In 2002, a simple category "B". In the current edition, this is "B1". If I'm not mistaken...
Me now what? Go relearn? So it turns out?

If the first right issued before реформи - you have open all subcategories. But beginners have problems.

[dvina71]

Quote: Vanek

Rising prices and smoking bans in public places (stop) - there is a struggle with smokers as such.

You are not right. If you can still argue about the price increase, then the rest works to combat the phenomenon as such. Here the explanation is simple .. there are no medical and other indications to start smoking .. well, no, that's all. This happens under the influence of external factors ... namely, image-based ones ... The main thing ... it's cool .. !!! No, it’s not cool .., aggressive advertising is minus, smoking on every corner is minus ... and the price increase .. for healthy people is a reminder to tie this crap.
PI.SI .. Personally, I don’t smoke and never smoked, tried it .. didn’t like it .. Because it was based on taste sensations, and not image .. PS .. even in our environment there are less and less smokers ..

[Vanek]

Quote: dvina71

under the influence of external factors.

Fatherlessness.

Since 11 years without a father. Just at the right time he was not there. There was no one to tell.

[Simargl]

Quote: Vanek

Just at the right time he was not there. There was no one to tell.

Not a reason!
Father smokes, younger brother smokes. I don’t ... and I don’t drink (quite 10 years), unlike them. DNA test?

[Vanek]

Quote: Simargl

DNA test?

No, no .. Optional.

[sogdy]

Quote: dvina71

Here the explanation is simple .. there are no medical and other indications to start smoking .. well, no, that's all.

Very intelligibly stated by Dr. Spock.
By the way, completely opposite to your beliefs.

[USSR-1]

an interesting type of struggle is obtained: the strong one twists his hands by raising prices as he wants, and the weak one is forced to submit without the right to resist. And why is this type of struggle called the "struggle for health"?

[Wilderness]

There is no struggle for health here, a simple struggle for loot. Having handed out the tobacco industry into the hands of foreigners, we got the result: each pack of cigarettes sold is a bunch of currency flowing out of the country.
By the way, in rural areas there is now an increased interest in growing tobacco, which has not been around for a long time, the demand for seeds in spring was very high.

[samarin1969]

"... the number of smokers in our country over five years fell by more than 30%. At the beginning of 2018, 26% of Russians surveyed called themselves smokers."
Soon, the Federal Tax Service will fine non-smokers for "reducing the tax base."

[Simargl]

Quote: samarin1969

Soon the Federal Tax Service will fine non-smokers for "reducing the tax base"

It compensates for excise losses.

[Dimy4]

The state is inconsistent in its decisions, it seeks to increase the number of pensioners, then simultaneously reduce.

[Nychego]

The Russian government continues to crumble, not fight for the health of the nation.

[Altona]

Quote: Vanek

The fight against smoking and the fight against smokers are two different things.

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This is about the same as before, when the dangers of butter and chicken eggs were explained. In fact, there is a fundraiser at the expense of smokers. I don’t know how they have statistics there, but there is shag and dump on the market.

[Uncle lee]

Do not shoot the office!

[Vanek]

Quote: Altona

but there is shag on the market

Ohhhh yeah.

What is true is true.

[Altona]

Quote: samarin1969

Soon, the Federal Tax Service will fine non-smokers for "reducing the tax base."

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An article on smoking “unlicensed tobacco” will be added to the Administrative Code.

[Ankipelgygyrgyn]

Yes, my grandfather smoked a cigarette with self-dumping in the mound - get a fine!

[The black]

Quote: Ankypelgygyrgyn

Yes, my grandfather smoked a cigarette with self-dumping in the mound - get a fine!

For what?

[novel66]

for tobacco without excise duty, and if you still try to sew the spread ...

[The black]

Quote: novel xnumx

for tobacco without excise duty, and if you still try to sew the spread ...

There is no such in adm. codex .... you can grow it easy.

[novel66]

disorder, and if all tobacco will be grown for sale. how does the state profit?

[Simargl]

Quote: Black

There is no such in adm. the code

Codex Not Commandments!
Be.

[Vanek]

What if it’s not a samosad, A !?

[Nychego]

Quote: Altona

An article on smoking “unlicensed tobacco” will be added to the Administrative Code. wink

There will be another dead article.

[shubin]

Stop smoking, and you will be happy! For a year now, as I have not smoked, I am satisfied as an elephant!

[ul_vitalii]

I’m four years old, happy as four elephants By the way, my friends took the Bulgarian Tabaks and threw it away.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: shubin

Stop smoking, and you will be happy! For a year now, as I have not smoked, I am satisfied as an elephant!

Are there any elephants who quit smoking? And I don’t smoke or drink for the eighteenth year! And smoked for about 30 years. He quit immediately at the same time, because if you drank, then you will definitely light a cigarette. And now I do not regret how much!

[shubin]

I have been a smoker for 35 years, though I started quite late after the army. For me personally, the integral attribute of a cigarette was coffee, one without the other, well, but I managed it, it turns out that coffee is good without a cigarette!

[cost]

Yes, and a cigarette without coffee is not bad!

[ul_vitalii]

No, elephants are happy when they have carrots, fresh cabbage, I also don’t drink it for twelve years

[Altona]

Quote: Black

For what?

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How for what? For smoking tobacco without paying excise taxes and taxes. Already there is an article in AK for "planting uncertified potatoes" in its area, and they will introduce shag.

[Aaleks1974]

A poorly cited article number? And as for the samosad, it was after Prima or Ray, it was still possible to drag out, and after today's cigarettes, it would be easier to quit (quit smoking 16 years ago).

[Altona]

Quote: shubin

Stop smoking, and you will be happy! For a year now, as I have not smoked, I am satisfied as an elephant!

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Here, not everyone can learn to produce nicotinic acid themselves again. The body requires externally.

[dvina71]

Quote: Altona

Here, not everyone can learn to produce nicotinic acid themselves again.

Only here PP, has nothing to do with tobacco ..

[free]

This is not a fight against smoking, but rather an increase in tax collection. The fight against smoking should be waged in a cultural space, not a price one.

[stayer]

I smoked for 31 years, not childishly, two packs a day. Always annoyed all sorts of laws that infringe on my rights as a smoker. Today, it just so happened that he left me at once. )))). Lord, how happy I am that I do not smoke!
And I look at such laws now, chuckling softly. Stop smoking, it turned out to be very easy and simple to do.

[shubin]

I fully agree with you, colleague!

[Opera]

If the price of cigarettes and alcohol had suddenly sharply reduced the revolutionary majority of HE with foam at the mouth, they would have proved to each other - the enemies will spread the health of the nation! And Dedkastary, who Hemingway would have gone deep fishing for a week ... Of course, in protest! What agitation of a still healthy lifestyle is necessary for people here I do not know at all! On the contrary, I think that sometimes it comes to absurdity with us! Already in the restaurants it was necessary to make the division of halls into smokers and non-smokers! Gyms have been opened so much that prices are unquestionably affordable + a very flexible payment system — you go — you pay, you go fishing ... — you don't pay! We used to have a small gym. Yes, just a room with a barbell, weights and dumbbells. The guys always cursed about the time when someone walks. All did not fit. Now please, anything, and there are no simulators! I live in textile workers. Near the metro is a sports complex Moskvich. So that’s just what there is from dancing and gymnastics to various types of martial arts and weightlifting! The center is packed with children and adults. Weekends from early morning.

[Conductor]

Go to Morshansk, the situation is different there.

[Servisinzhener]

Is this about the opportunity to play sports? I looked in a search engine, in Morshansk, 2 fitness clubs (rocking chairs).

[Opera]

Conductor, well, you surprised me to the core!) Morshansk, and in particular the Morshansky district, as I understand it, do you mean the Tambov region? This is the homeland of my paternal relatives. My uncles, aunts and cousins, sisters, nephews and nieces live there!))) I don’t have to go there on purpose. I go there often. Offhand I can say that there are big tournaments very seriously organized in football between the schools of the district and a lot of attention is paid to athletics. Photos of my two nephews of champions of the Morshansky district in school football are in the VK. This is the name of the mass sport of the Morshansky district. A lot of attention is paid to student sports. A very good boxing team. What are you talking about at all ?!)

[Dormidont]

It would be time to ban cigarette production altogether, and eliminate tobacco companies. Here you have the money for pension payments for three five-year periods

[sgr291158]

Well, well, in all likelihood, you have to quit. Something is a pity to let such money into the smoke.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: sgr291158

Well well, in all likelihood you have to quit

For almost a year now I’ve been spinning around this thought (and it is around me).

Quote: sgr291158

Something is a pity to let such money into the smoke.

And that too. Estimated with his wife - about 5 thousand rubles. per month (!!!) we only go for a smoke. Everything was waiting for the "cut-off" when my cigarettes exceeded a hundred, in order to quit reasonably ... The moment has arrived.

[Servisinzhener]

Unlike other recent financial initiatives, this one I fully support. Because smoking causes real harm to health, and it is prevalent in exorbitant amounts. In my childhood, the probability of seeing a smoking woman was the same as seeing an alien. And now, many women smoke more rural machine operators. So they are doing everything right.

[Nasrat]

I can’t stand the smoke of cigarettes ... at work (only engineers) I reduced all smokers in their rights (in salary), which is surprising - no one begged them to quit smoking, they themselves quit ... there weren’t any protests and strikes .. there are two smokers left, they have a long history of smokers - decks are their problems.

[Altona]

Quote: Aaleks1974

A poorly cited article number? And as for the samosad, it was after Prima or Ray, it was still possible to drag out, and after today's cigarettes, it would be easier to quit (quit smoking 16 years ago).

New edition of Art. 10.12 of the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation "... violation of the rules for the production, procurement, processing, storage, sale, transportation and use of seeds of agricultural plants ... entails a warning or an administrative fine on citizens in the amount of three hundred to five hundred rubles; for officials - from five hundred to one thousand rubles; for legal entities - from five thousand to ten thousand rubles. ”

[pafegosoff]

What's this? All gardeners - fine? Gardens to roll into the asphalt? Gardens - for playgrounds? Shops "Seeds" considered dens!
Again Matvienko overeat overeat?

[dvina71]

Quote: pafegosoff

What is that?

The opinion of a specialist.

Commentary on Art. 10.12 of the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation 2. The object of the offense is public relations in the field of production, harvesting, processing, storage, transportation and use of seeds of agricultural and forest plants, as well as the organization and conduct of varietal and seed control in the Russian Federation. Objects - seeds and parts of agricultural plants (tubers, bulbs, fruits, seedlings, seeds proper, etc.) used for reproduction of varieties of agricultural plants or for reproduction of forest plant species with varietal and sowing qualities.

Source: http://www.kodap.ru/razdel-2/glava-10/st-10-12-ko
ap-rf

If you consider planting tubers a public relationship .. you need to see a doctor ..
For information in the Russian Federation, the sale of GMO seeds is prohibited .., for this, this article exists ..

[kolkulon]

Smoked, smoked and will smoke.

[Qwertyarion]

Quote: Ushly_bashkort

It’s easy to skazat, but it’s hard to do =) Sometimes I can not smoke for a month, sometimes without animals, it’s natural to be a beast, somehow it turns out that way.

Good day! On the third attempt I quit smoking, it was not so simple, I smoked a lot, up to two or three packs a day. I do not smoke since 2011.

[pafegosoff]

I have never quit. He stopped. About ten times. Sometimes for three years (1977-1980 after severe pneumonia) Now I stopped 15 years ago. And somehow too lazy to start: grow tobacco, mess with it. Yes, and grandchildren, granddaughters ... Children do not smoke.

[mavrus]

Quote: Vanek

The fight against smoking and the fight against smokers are two different things.

Rising prices and smoking bans in public places (stop) - there is a struggle with smokers as such.

Fighting smokers and smoking is pushing spice and other rubbish into the market ... This is it. But in essence, this is a cover for the government and the highest medical practice of the complete collapse of Russian health care.

[Olegovi4]

Quote: mavrus

pushing spice and other stuff to the market ... This is - time

if the body wants to bend, then it will bend with the BF. therefore here not once, not two ....

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I'm all for it! Cigarettes and spirits must be very expensive so that only working adults can afford them, not schoolchildren and students ...

I would also forbid alcohol to undermine until the age of 21 ... And then, according to the law, we can sell from the age of 18, and drink strong drinks only from the age of 21 ... As a result, they sell and drink from 18, and often much earlier...

Who’s come up with this ?! Once you can drink from the age of 21, then everything that is stronger than real wine, for example, 12,5% ​​of the alcohol content, can be sold only from the age of 21 !!!

[Kerensky]

Cigarettes and spirits must be very expensive

And here I am against. Such an approach will produce "garage production" and a lot of revenue will flow bypassing the state.
With normal factory production and a real selling price, nothing bad will happen.
Imagine that a worker can afford 6 bottles of vodka and a block of cigarettes per day. Drink - smoke? No, of course! He will take a piece of paper after work, smoke a cigarette on the bench and go home, for tomorrow he will be back at work. Garage surrogates will die out as a class - it is not for them to compete with production.
Smoking in designated areas? Yes easily! But there must be places.
In my childhood, “adult uncles” drank the “White Stork” port on “their” benches (there was still a glass hanging on a branch), and grandmothers and mothers sat on “their own”. And everything was decorously noble ...
Yes. They took vodka for weddings, funerals and anniversaries, even on NGs they did not always put a bottle on the table.

[pafegosoff]

The Pervach-Elite device with a greenhouse ... And two times the stage, plus filtration if desired. And then - tinctures ...

[pafegosoff]

And you can kill from the age of 18!

[Alex Justice]

Smart countries have banned the purchase of cigarettes born in 2018 and beyond. The next generation will be completely non-smokers.

[Alex Justice]

Quote: shubin

coffee without a cigarette goes well!

I do not believe

[pafegosoff]

I don’t believe it either, because I drink chifir!

[gukoyan]

Oh, how good it is that I do not smoke, so many babos can be spent on gasoline)))

[pafegosoff]

Do you smell gasoline?

[Valerevich]

The more forbidden, the stronger the desire to try. They will scream about the dangers of smoking and stand sniffing exhaust fumes ...

[pafegosoff]

This is true, while sniffing asbestos for free, swearing in the same way! And, most importantly, asbestos, ultrasound and other fun conditions - a pension of 60!

[Fitter65]

Yes, I like it on the drum, I don’t smoke and don’t get upset even for a thousand cigarettes at least ...

[Mentat]

To smoke modern cigarettes, especially the "lower price segment" ... Sometimes, from somewhere - a terrible chymosin will carry cigarette smoke, tobacco there, probably, only as a flavoring. The cigarette itself is not packed with tobacco leaf, but with some strips soaked. What is it to draw in? I don’t know, it's like jamming a cologne.

[Mentat]

I didn’t smoke, and I’m not going to. However, I see that they are smoking now ... Smoking is not a cheap habit, but now it has been turned into a mass sucking of the disgusting deshman, it has already gone far from the initial fascination with tobacco leaf, there was at least some flavor. In general, the invention of cigarettes and smoking by absorption into the lungs of smoke (at first it was not so) I consider a diversion against humanity. What is now being sold under the guise of cigarettes is twice a diversion. It is not necessary to raise excise taxes on them, but generally prohibit it, as it does not correspond to any concepts of standards.

[pafegosoff]

"... Earlier, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation decided to replace the issuance of cigarettes for smokers with the issuance of sweets ..."
But the Ministry of Health noted that sweets shorten life and lead to diabetes, obesity and other related diseases ...
In short - that’s all garbage! Just the state once again needs loot!
He does not need healthy people! He needs everyone to die before retirement.
Do not believe? Well, the last time I went on sick leave in 1983. Cut out the appendix. I don’t smoke for about 15 years, as a person seduced twenty subordinates. And what is the state? I don’t care if he is healthy or not. I don’t care. I don’t want to spend money on treatment. And recently I smoked cigars and a pipe. Your, mind you, cigars! And he made the pipes himself (there was still ebonite and ivory for mouthpieces). And tobacco was grown by Turkish, Cuban, Virgin ... Yes, and from a shag with the same fermented autumn cherry leaf, a good blend is obtained. With tobacco, the main thing is to withstand drying, fermentation correctly. And there will be - the upper class! And how to bloom! Beauties! I tried cigarettes in those days ... Indescribable muck! What is put there? Of the cigarettes that I liked before were Cuban from Ligeros to Reis. Well, the French "Zhitan" - now in France do not let out. At the school, during the flight, the lovers watched whose crew was flying to Vilnius and ordered the Kaunas “Kastitis”. If in Tallinn, then - "Tallinn". But I didn’t like “Riga”. Their "Prima" was even better. Not Ducat, of course. Chisinau was fragrant, but - rather weak. Better to go to friends Cubans or Angolans for strong. Of the local, Ukrainian, the Kremenchug Prima was better. But Cherkasy some kind of "Pamir" ...
Cigarettes - "Belomorkanal" Uritsky and Java. Tobaccos - "Captain" and "Sailor". Cigars used to be sold in wooden cases - 25 pieces. Everyone has their own taste: “La Crown of Havana”, “Romeo and Juliet”, “Upman” ... and so on. With Armenian cognac from 6 to 10 rubles. And even under the Pilsner draft of aluminum capitol barrels yesterday arrived on the An-12 from Prague. They lived in the 1970s rather poorly, but qualitatively ... By the way, one of the incentives to stop smoking was a hangover: a double load is useless. And whoever wants to quit smoking, let him catch the hangover moment and not load himself with nicotine. in a day, nicotine starvation will decrease, having suffered up to three days, you will feel refreshed and want to light up by habit: a motor reflex. Be distracted by anything: seeds, nuts, matches ... expander ball, etc.
Do not help government officials gobble up your tobacco excise contributions!

[Mentat]

Quote: mavrus

The fight against smokers and smoking is pushing spice and other rubbish to the market ...

That said it. You want to compose such nonsense you don’t.

[Kerensky]

That said it. You want to compose such nonsense you don’t.

And what kind of liquid in these electronic pipes? What local chemists can fill there?
Until sorted out - it may be too late.
In our club, the youth had a badajola awl with a Coke + a couple of tablets of some kind + drops (I watched from the cameras). And the whole company flew from a liter bottle of this cocktail. Especially slender girls fainted.
Why? Expensive at the club, but I want to "club". They dance, outside (in shirts in the winter), walk around in the car for the treasured bottle and again dance ....

[Romanenko]

But an interesting example is on the topic of anti-smoking.
Once I got to Mexico with a group of colleagues and it suddenly turned out that the local population almost never smokes, although cigarettes are sold, there are places for smoking almost everywhere, in public places and restaurants, if you are a smoker, they will suggest you to stay in a specially designated zone or at a separate table aside, but no one will drive. The prices for cigarettes are there within reasonable limits, something around 2 dollars per pack, then it was 70 rubles, our cigarettes cost around 60 (good).
It became incredibly interesting how the Mexicans achieved such an effect; it turned out that there were no such bans as we had in Mexico. A government anti-smoking program was adopted and for 20 years they explained to people that smoking is bad, and they made young people aware that smoking is ugly and not fashionable, in short, the youth there are completely non-smokers, and looking at them the elderly and the elderly who quit who just limited. But all without brainwashing, price attacks and moral violence, as we have.
But in Peru they went our way, almost everywhere “down” and everyone smokes around the corners and in the cubicles in the toilets, in short there is an irreconcilable struggle, who needs it?
And the answer is simple - a government that feels the truth is solid and real authority will not twist the hands of the population. This is done by temporary workers with a legislative plan for the shaft, brainless and greedy.
Look what happens with the same tobacco products - the ratio of price and quality runs in different directions, the higher the price, the lower the quality, the language doesn’t even turn into tobacco. And under the guise of a struggle for health, a counterfeit, issued as tobacco, is being sold for a wide stream of Albanian price tags.
How does this affect smokers?
Yes, definitely, people simply switch to substitutes, often even more harmful to the body, and Mr. Badminton Pokemonovich reports on the next victories.
Once again I ask, who needs this business window dressing at the expense of the smoking part of the population ???

[Monk]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: Ushly_bashkort

Not everyone can afford it.

so don’t smoke

I agree completely, who makes you all smoke ??? it’s not bread, but harmful pleasure; if you want to ruin your health, pay, but rather do sports and creation. They found the same universal problem for me, they will pay more for cigarettes. And I do not care, personally I can not stand the smoke and it is unpleasant to see a smoker. It is gratifying that more and more people are getting rid of this addiction.

[tractor driver73]

This is a struggle for the profit of the tobacco magnates who unfasten a considerable cus to the Duma lobby!

[timgan777]

quit smoking on March 1, 2012, and never regretted, although the first half of the year was very difficult ...
I am for increasing the cost of tobacco, I am AGAINST when people die because of this rubbish

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: zapfen

Weight rushing on age. Therefore, now you also need to quit eating.

Or stop increasing age .

[Sergey Averchenkov]

If they wanted to make people quit smoking, they would simply ban smoking. Do not believe them, they do not care about the health of the nation ... they simply squeeze money out of you. Scum.

[cosmonaut]

guys, who can, share the seeds of tobacco) ass ... already fucked up this fight. This fight goes only into the pocket of Medvedev and his friends crooks and other bourgeoisie. As a result, we smoke not tobacco, but some kind of incomprehensible rubbish. Yes, and trihorod

[avic]

This increase is just another moment of withdrawing money. Neither the fight against smoking nor the fight against smokers is not related.
Like who smoked it will be so.
But in modern cigarettes, yes, there is no pure tobacco. Everything is processed. Must smoke more - buy more often, now pay more.
Previously, one cigarette could be enough before lunch, which only the same Astra cost ... :)
Nobody smoked less, and smokers only increased. It is already normal when a pregnant woman smokes to the fullest. Or a stroller in one hand, a cigarette in the beer in the other hand.
In fact, such movements (raising value) is a step against people.
Tobacco for pipes in general is also not the same.

[Lena Petrova]

More fines for abandoned cigarette butts and empty packs are required. At the houses, in the forest, in the car window. Minimum - 500 rubles. And then this is already not considered for garbage.

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Quote: Vanek

Quote: tracer

Young girls all smoke in a row

Seventeen years ago I met Nadezhda Nikolaevna. To her question:

“How do you look at me to smoke?”

- Smoke - I will knock out teeth!

Fourteen years as married.

I do not smoke.

And so, yes. They still have to give birth.

Without teeth.......)))))).
Just kidding