The horrific gun situation in Chicago (USA): "just 55 kills per month"

According to the representative of the CPD (Chicago Police Department), the decline in the level of violence in the city goes 16-th consecutive month. The police are satisfied with the results, but at the same time they recognize that it is necessary to work more and better. At the same time, violent crime statistics are striking.

During 12 hours on July 2018, the police responded to at least four firearm incidents. weapons.

In June, 255 shooting cases and 55 (!) Killings happened. One of the last in June was shot 14-year-old teenager in Washington Park City.

In the first six months of 2018, 252 was killed in Chicago, which is 79 less than during the same period in 2017.

In 2018, there were 1100 firearm incidents, which is 270 fewer than in the first half of 2017.

“This progress can be attributed to the hard work of thousands of dedicated Chicago police officers, assisted by technology, data, smarter policing and good public relations”, Said First Deputy Superintendent of the Police Department Anthony Rixio.

This year, Chicago police seized (attention!) About 4300 illegal weapons, and was also able to reduce the sales of heroin and fentanyl.

At the same time, the total spread of illegal “firearms” in major US cities continues to be a serious problem for the States. In today's morning news on "VO" reported on the total number of crimes involving firearms in the United States.

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[sir_obs]

Well ... for democracy, without clinking glasses.

[MPN]

In the photo, a dude like a submachine gun simulates shooting and so "Tra-ta-ta-ta ..."

[bouncyhunter]

Not that you see: in a photo like the police imitate work.

[MPN]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Not that you see: in a photo like the police imitate work.

Ahhh, well, actually ... it seems ...

[Shurik70]

I remind you.
The sale of drugs in the US is the main CIA funding item.
Once the sale of cocaine was legalized in China, and the British decided to enrich themselves on this. The agony of the country lasted a long time, affecting all neighbors. It took the overthrow of two dynasties and several civil wars, so that after this, China would again become great.
The United States became doomed from the moment the Anglo-Saxons decided to enrich themselves in the sale of drugs in their own country. Now is the agony. The process is long, but lethal. Unlike ancient China, the USA has influence all over the world, so the collapse of the Consumer Empire will affect the whole world. And it can even drag everyone along to the grave.

[Black_Vatnik]

"the availability of weapons among citizens disciplines society" (c) any average arms lobbyist in Russia.

[aristok]

Quote: Black_Jacket

"the availability of weapons among citizens disciplines society" (c) any average arms lobbyist in Russia.

Exactly..
Chicago citizens have no legal opportunity to have weapons (merit of the Democrats) - this is the source of the dregs of society

[cost]

We must help the comrades from Chicago. I propose to open there, Mr. Hunter

[Dart2027]

Quote: Black_Jacket

any average arms lobbyist in Russia

This year, Chicago police seized (attention!) About 4300 units illegal weapons, and was also able to reduce sales of heroin and fentanyl.

Moreover, the total distribution illegal "gunshot" in major US cities continues to be a serious problem for the United States. Today’s morning news on VO reported the total number of gunshot crimes in the United States.

[USSR-1]

And how they stand for human rights! Banged in the city alone 252 people for six months ... and silence. Is it the case in Russia !!! They dispersed an unauthorized demonstration organized by an American mongrel, for example, Navalny (without injuries)! Horror!

[Conductor]

There are rights. Cholovik))) You can leave the mother-in-law

[Blackmokona]

For comparison

According to the report of the prosecutor's office, the number of people who suffered serious harm as a result of crimes in Russia increased by 19,7% compared to the same period in 2016.

At the same time, in Moscow the number of persons killed as a result of criminal attacks increased by 226% and amounted to 1842 cases.

[Fungus]

Why a comparison?

[Blackmokona]

In order to make it clear, there are many or few murders in Chicago.

[Muvka]

12 500 000 - 1842 - Moscow.
2 720 000 - 660 - Chicago.
Murders in Moscow are slightly less than 2.8 times more, despite the fact that the population is 4.6 times more. It turns out in Chicago a little less than 2 times more murders come out.
And yet, if I understood the article correctly, we are talking only about murders from a gunshot, and in Moscow there are general statistics, even if someone was thrown out of a window ...

[Blackmokona]

Few mistakes were made from the bottom. And well done, you know what to count on 100 thousand people

2018 murders committed in Chicago in the first six months of 252

1) 252 * 2 = 504
2) 1842 \ 504 = 3,655
3) 12 500 000/2 720 000 = 4.595
4) Moscow has slightly fewer murders, 26% more murders in Chicago
Well, the countries once thought so.
US 4.9 per hundred thousand people
Russia 9.2 per hundred thousand people
2013 UN data

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: BlackMokona

2013 UN data

And what is not for 1993?

[Blackmokona]

You can provide the latest data, do not mind

[nerd.su]

Quote: BlackMokona

You can provide the latest data, do not mind

Statistics, the thing is very subtle. But, let's take the data of the FBI, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation and the UN, published in the media.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) summed up the criminal results of 2016.
According to the report, the number of violent crimes increased on average by 5,3% compared to the same period of 2015. The number of aggravated attacks increased by 6,5%; kills - by 5,2%; rape - by 4,4%; robberies - by 3,2%.

At the same time, according to the UN, 10147 people were killed in the United States from firearms (I emphasize firearms) in 2016.
Again, according to the United Nations for 2016, 31,5 people per 1 million inhabitants were killed in the United States killed only with firearms (I emphasize firearms), and in Russia 5,6 people per 1 million.

According to statistics from the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, the number of murders (I emphasize, all murders) in Russia has significantly decreased. Over 5 years (2011–2016), the indicator decreased by 27% - from 14,3 thousand to 10,4 thousand per year.
Something like that.

[Blackmokona]

Give the total number of killings and lead to killing per 100 thousand people

[nerd.su]

You have read my post inattentively. Where does this attachment to 100000 come from? The UN counted a million. As of 2016, in the United States 31,5 people were killed using a firearm, and in Russia, 5,6. If per 100 thousand, then in the United States 3,15 people, and in Russia 0,56. That's clearer?
But the meaning of the rest of the information is that in the USA the number of murders is growing, but in Russia it is falling. And in 2016, only 10,4 thousand people were killed in Russia, and in the United States in 2016 only 10147 people were killed with firearms. Statistics are eloquent.
And if we take the statistics on mass killings in schools and other public places, the picture will be even more eloquent.

[Muvka]

Why do you multiply 252 by 2, not 55 by 12? Looking for convenient digits?

[Blackmokona]

Because the less vanging the better. Differences are statistically smoothed

[210ox]

And why not compare? Do we need to clap your hands that THERE is bad with crime, and HERE, well, you can tolerate it ... Gopnikov and bandits, or does our firearm shoot differently?

[ultra]

So in Chicago and the population is less than 3 million people, and in Moscow only officially 12,5.

[Muvka]

And in Chicago there is only infa about the firearm. Correct me if I misunderstood. And in Moscow, the total figure.

[Blackmokona]

Not just about the killings, about the firearm said separately without specifying cases of killings with it

[Muvka]

Quote: BlackMokona

Not just about the killings, about the firearm said separately without specifying cases of killings with it

Then how do you explain this line? Why is it talking only about a gunshot?

In 2018, there were 1100 firearm incidents, which is 270 fewer than in the first half of 2017.

[Blackmokona]

A Caucasian shot an incident at a wedding in the sky, a man shot an incident in his leg.
Murder is different

[Muvka]

Tell me, why is the specification “using firearms” being carried out, since, as you say, all incidents are mentioned here?

[Blackmokona]

So the incidents I have listed without the use of a gun, or what?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: BlackMokona

For comparison

According to the report of the prosecutor's office, the number of people who suffered serious harm as a result of crimes in Russia increased by 19,7% compared to the same period in 2016.

At the same time, in Moscow the number of persons killed as a result of criminal attacks increased by 226% and amounted to 1842 cases.

Managed journalist Yakov Lysenko from Gazeta.ru

www.sensei-yoda.blogspot.com/2018/01/blog-post_44
37.html

[Andrey Yuryevich]

I honestly do not care how many and how it bends there ... it's full of cares.

[Loginoff]

But nothing that with the permission to carry weapons in Chicago, the crime rate has decreased?
https://zbroya.info/ru/blog/6395_skrytoe-noshenie
-oruzhiia-v-ssha-ot-shtata-k-shtatu /

[Kerensky]

To begin with, it would be nice to find out who they are “reassuring”. Maybe their villains began to end at this level of fire.

[RL]

In the Czech Republic, both a short-barrel and a “long-barrel” are allowed (traumatism is forbidden! And rightly because trauma is immediately and crazy to use, judging by the newspaper headlines from Russian newspapers). Crimes in the Czech Republic with a shotgun - 99% illegal weapons. I am for a legal firearm. And I myself have others advise to have. And I have the right to protect my life, health and property (and the life, health and property of my fellow citizens and people who are in a critical situation through the fault of criminal elements) by shooting. It will be calmer - a hooligan knows that I can have a weapon, so beware, and just because they will not shoot too. With a fool, you will bare the trunk and 10 others will immediately measure you on the street, in the zucchini, just anywhere.
Of course, everything must be approached wisely. I think our gun laws are the best in the world.

[Blackmokona]

Only law-abiding citizens can forbid owning a firearm, the law is not written for criminals.

[Eggor]

As for technologies that help. On the streets of Chicago, like many other cities in the United States, a ShotSpotter shot detection system is installed. It is impossible to put the situation under control by ordinary police means.



And another story about this system in Chicago, this time NBC:

[Skunks]

Again, the "lobby" is beginning to drive a wave of Russia to allow the free sale of weapons .. Do not believe the men, again they want to arrange a bloody massacre with us!

[cost]

True man says

[tracer]

Do you always believe Skunks?

[Letnab]

yeah, right, under the wrong flag ..

[RaptorF22]

It is a masterpiece Free sale of weapons I believe

[Strips]

What is so terrifying that the author found?
In the United States, the number of weapons in the population is approximately 270 million (and according to other sources it is more than 350 million), and the number of murders is not so much relative to the population.

I’m even afraid to imagine the crime rate in Russia, if in Russia 80% of the population had weapons. Yes, and many other countries, too.

[Antares]

Quote: Tiras

I’m even afraid to imagine the crime rate in Russia, if in Russia 80% of the population had weapons. Yes, and many other countries, too.

in urbanized countries there will be the same statistics (or better if the police work and citizens shoot criminals) as in the United States.
Legal Weapons Disciplines! Illegal liberates ...
if the population is banned from the right to arms, then you will provide criminals with ideal conditions and there will be even more gunshots (unarmed sheep reserve)
An armed citizen is the representative of the state in the face of crime .. and the police can only draw up a protocol and record the action.

[RaptorF22]

Armed citizen is not a slave Only in ancient Rome slaves did not have the right weapons

[Letnab]

Why are all opponents of the short barrel so afraid of their fellow citizens? A little topic appears, so cries begin, LOWER! They themselves will shoot !!! And weapon lovers are lobbyists of arms magnates !!! I read the thread, mostly hysterical posts on the above topic. Although there are quite calm discussions with examples of the rational use of weapons, and oddly enough from those, most of those who lived abroad saw the situation alive ...

[RaptorF22]

Well, how do you not understand She is from God The citizen who defended himself This is not a slave and therefore unreliable And since he is so dangerous, he does not agree that he should be robbed or killed. Well, there are also hoplofob prohibitionists who showed their attitude to the people as they like to be frightened there. Look at America a special mentality

[aristok]

At the same time, the total spread of illegal "gunshots" in major US cities continues to be a serious problem for the United States.

The keyword is "illegal" ..
Where the firearm is legal (in the states controlled by the Republicans) there is no such lawlessness - everything is smooth.

[RaptorF22]

Hoplofobam is unlikely to cross They have a pathological fear, a special mentality

[tracer]

Now I’ll say “one thing”. And the "evil demons" will punish me again for this. APPLIES WEAPONS TO THE MAINLY BLACK-SKIN POPULATION !!! Nobody will tell you about this ... "They are all the same" ... Everyone is silent about this because they are "non-pecuniary." The equality of rights is very trendy, and of course you can’t call a Negro a Negro .. But (I’m like you, someone who knows America firsthand) if your daughter is "wobbling" with black ... Everything ... from you tmho and with a smile neighbors will turn away, colleagues will whisper at work on you. And most importantly, this is some kind of "truth" .. Why? Because you are likely to “lose” your own daughter, as your hope and part of the family. In the best case, they will grow old and you will raise your black grandchildren. With a guarantee close to 100!

[tracer]

So this "simplified perception of the world" and contact with it is transmitted to the entire spectrum of communication with society. And violence is certainly their "trick". They don’t like to learn, and they don’t want to. The life patterns of the “cool black guys” on the white Cadillac are brought up from childhood. There are no talents and Cadillac is a very hunt from a nearby store. Where to get the money? No question - the drug business! "It's that simple." And that’s all .... Let's go. I slightly cross-polish the thought on another topic for clarity, "PEDESTRIAN DESTRUCTION ON THE ROADS IS NOT A PROBLEM OF CARS AND DRIVERS AND A PROBLEM OF TRANSPORT MOTION ORGANIZATION." In the article, one thought is given out: “cars are to blame”, and in our case, weapons ...

[RL]

And what are your suggestions?

[RaptorF22]

+100500 You can’t say better

[APASUS]

"God created people, and Samuel Colt called them equal."
“God made man equal. But, Colonel Colt made some more equal than others. ”
In the USA, everyone puts their own meaning into this phrase ..............

[RaptorF22]

Yes good machine Alas, we can’t buy it Although the price did not stand

[rotor]

What to take from Chicago - the criminal capital of the United States.

[Dormidont]

Pomegranate would have them more

[Vard]

You can probably add that this all happens in several criminal areas and does not go to other parts of the city ... Drug addicts and criminals shoot drug addicts and criminals ...

[kebeskin]

Well, too, they surprised me. He specifically decided to google how many killings in St. Petersburg in 2017 happened. In January-March 2017, 72 murders were committed in St. Petersburg. Again cheers patriotic articles went.

[RaptorF22]

And how many more refused to be registered as murders In the style of slipped plaster fell

[Chicha squad]

In our accidents and from vodka everything dies more smoothly.

[RaptorF22]

And is vodka to blame?

[Chicha squad]

And what about America, the gun is to blame for the fact that he kills people?

[A. Privalov]

Terrible statistics, to be sure ... On the other hand, in each country there are problems. As for me, a dead person, there is a lost person and there is no big difference, did he get a bullet from a stoned thug, or was bent from fake vodka. One is no better and no worse than the other - grief in the family ...

[LeonidL]

This is overwhelmingly the result of skirmishes between gangs of "minorities" and they do not care about restricting the sale of weapons, they will not limit whether they will be banned or not. Their weapons are in bulk and not at all from weapons stores. And beat them with a police throne or block them without 150% of the hole under the camera ... And the police often lose in armaments, they don’t have automatic rifles, but the gangs have them, including AK. In principle, killing for the majority of those killed is not particularly worthwhile, it is a pity only when children playing near windows die from random bullets. ... However, in those nice district men, they have little chance of getting a normal education and then work, most likely the way to the gang ... and the logical end from a bullet, knife or drugs.

[RaptorF22]

Therefore, according to the logic of hoplofobov need to ban vodka?

[A. Privalov]

Quote: RaptorF22

Therefore, according to the logic of hoplofobov need to ban vodka?

I do not know who the "hoplofobs" are and what their logic is, but you can kill with a fork, and poison yourself with laundry detergent. Neither forks, nor washing means because of it do not forbid.

[gladcu2]

Well, what are those who want to visit?

Capitalism will reveal its true face to you.

[RL]

So invite, although you can go to Canada without an invitation. And it wouldn’t be in the first one. And in Kirkland, I could also serve as a guide for you. And in the vicinity of the Yellow Knife.
Why? Life in Canada failed?

[LeonidL]

You need to know where and to whom to visit ... there are places and "places" ... like everywhere else, including in Russia.

[TiRex]

In Moscow, the number of particularly serious crimes from January to September 2017 increased by 13,9%, although in general this number has decreased in Russia, according to statistics published by the Prosecutor General. At the same time, the number of deaths resulting from criminal attacks in the capital increased by 226%. ... in Moscow, the number of people killed as a result of criminal attacks increased by 226% and amounted to 1842 cases

Those. more than 200 dead per month from criminal assaults only ...

although only 3 live in Chicago

[DeGreen]

It will not be enough

[Zomanus]

Well, they have a firearm, and we have available means.
It’s just that all this is being registered with them, and it’s hiding with ours,
that would not spoil the statistics of a single lane.

[Nikolaevich I]

Honestly, I didn’t want to “open” this article at all: it’s so clear that the “arms lobbyists” will rush to defend their crazy “idea”! They have at least $$ s in their eyes ... even a "stake on their head" is useless! What other "statistics" of killings by a firearm should they cite as an example? With a sign of infinity? I think the answer will still be "insanity"!

[RaptorF22]

Right And hoplophobes and prohibitions, as usual, will sing a song. Our special mentality is insane. How terrible to live. And as usual, we will be planted for self-defense This is a tradition

[LeonidL]

Most crimes are committed in southern Chicago and in the areas of resettlement of "minorities" there a couple of years ago there was generally a zone of free shooting and shooting between ethnic and racial gangs of gangsters. No wonder Chicago is the homeland of the Democrats and the city of refuge.

[Eggor]

Chicago (Illinois). A family of seven getting into a car in the East Garfield area of ​​the park on Sunday evening fell into a gang shootout.

A video from a surveillance camera published on Monday shows a family getting into their car a few minutes before another car pulls up and someone opens fire from a pistol towards the family.

The bullets hit three sisters at the age of 5, 14 and 15 years, along with three gang members standing nearby.

The sisters are expected to recover from gunshot wounds, the 14-year-old girl is in critical condition and is fighting for her life.

According to police, the family was not the target of the shooter.

“We know that they had absolutely nothing to do with the incident,” police superintendent Eddie Johnson said.



The first mass shooting in July.

[Eggor]

The question is - what could a respectable father of the family do in this situation if he had at least ten legal trunks? To shoot after?

[tracer]

If a person is trained to shoot it was possible in response to the car. For a 9 mm caliber, a luger to break glass in a car is not a problem at all. And if you are not trained do not hell with weapons to walk.

[burglar]

Quote: BlackMokona

For comparison

According to the report of the prosecutor's office, the number of people who suffered serious harm as a result of crimes in Russia increased by 19,7% compared to the same period in 2016.

At the same time, in Moscow the number of persons killed as a result of criminal attacks increased by 226% and amounted to 1842 cases.

Where did you get this nonsense? Here Kommersant writes: In January-November 2017, in Moscow and St. Petersburg, 289 and 171 murders and attempted murders were registered, respectively. In 2016, in the two largest cities of the Russian Federation, 351 and 221 crimes of this kind were registered, respectively.

[Alex Justice]

Golem propaganda.