No matter how we had to choose the president of Georgia ...

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No matter how we had to choose the president of Georgia ...Due to certain circumstances, Russia is currently the main source of possible preservation of the power of the president in Georgia. As it is known, President Saakashvili’s powers expire as early as January of next year, which means that Saakashvili’s trust limit has expired. Georgia’s people have already expressed left the country. According to the World Congress of the Nations of Georgia, about 2 million people left the country and the rest in 3,5 million looks quite eloquent.

Naturally, Saakashvili understands that his personal security depends on whether the power is in his hands or the hands of his protege ... If the opposition comes to power from him, they will naturally be asked for the Georgians who left, and for the spoiled relations with Russia, and for lost South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and for the shame of a lost war, and much more for that ... They will ask not at the international level, but specifically inside the country for landing political opponents and big businessmen. In short, the prospects are not bright and, naturally, the intention to peacefully leave January in the plane s Mishiko not included ..

What variants of succession of events are there to preserve power? And, alas, there is only one such option ... Declare a state of emergency in the country and give up elections for some time. And for this, it is enough to once again conduct a military provocation on Ossetian or Abkhazian land. Saakashvili understands perfectly well that the second provocation will not end as well, in general, painlessly as the first. Russia will already strike at the full program — destruction of military objects, bombardment of command and control centers in Tbilisi itself, destruction of infrastructure ktury gosudarstv.Ot this openly warned many high-ranking military in Russia and in Georgia itself.

What is the basis of my statement? Yes, on the simple logic of the events of recent months. Now Georgia ranks second in the world in military spending ... A small Transcaucasian country spends 8% of its GDP on armaments. And this money is spent purposefully on the army. For what such spending in a region where there are practically no claims on territorial and other issues between neighboring states.
Another interesting fact is that the Georgian army before 2008 made 32 thousands of professional servicemen. Now their 37 thousands and preparing them are an order of magnitude better than those who fought in August 2008-go. And add to this the desire for revenge ...
Well, the most interesting thing is probably the purchase of weapons. Just list the countries that are actively selling their Georgians weapon or Soviet weapons, which proved to be excellent even in that August-United Kingdom, Estonia, Lithuania, Bosnia, Herzegovina, France, Turkey, Greece, Israel, Ukraine, Czech Republic, Bulgaria, and of course the main supplier-USA. Is the list of friends impressive? Western and Soviet equipment is being actively supplied from these countries, which is being successfully modernized.
At present, the American anti-tank systems (which is interesting against whose tanks?) Javelin and aviation Hellfire-2, SAM Patriot-3, and Stinger, Bulgarian multiple launch rocket systems RM-70,40 drones Hermes-450, Soviet howitzers D-20, Turkish armored personnel carriers Ejder-70pcs. and Cobra-100 pieces, French AS-332 multi-purpose helicopters ...

Our former allied republics-Ukraine and Moldova are not far behind the western suppliers ...

Ukraine independently supplied Georgia according to the vice-premier of Georgia Georgy Bramidze, voiced as early as February of this year 10 tanks T-72,3 BTR-80,25 BTR-70,20 MANPADS Igla, 40 units of MANPADS Strela and several ATGM Kombat..Add to this (according to the former director state-owned companies Ukrspetsexport Anatoly Gritsenko) supply of air defense systems Osa, Beech, MI-8 and MI-24 helicopters ... But this is not all ..

Ukrainian weapons, previously sold to other countries of the Black Sea region, are being actively bought up and resold through Moldovan firms, again to Georgia ... Previously, this process had a different focus - Chechnya and Tajikistan ..

Well, it remains a simple analysis, where and when? Again, we take open Georgian sources ... There is no need to be a rocket scientist to understand the logic of the Georgians, already practiced in 2008-we conduct exercises and concentrate on this pretext troops, and then the active phase. ..And according to the Georgian Minister of Defense, Georgia will conduct the next large-scale exercises in early September at the borders with Samocablo and the Aphazet ...

Well, if we add to this the last news from Abkhazia where special services covered several large warehouses with weapons and ammunition, including air defense systems, it becomes clear what, where and when ... It remains to develop and implement countermeasures against such plans ...
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  1. Prophet Alyosha
    +30
    15 May 2012
    The next time Russia should not repeat the mistake of leaving the pro-American regime in power in Georgia. But there is no need to destroy anything unnecessarily - the fraternal Georgian people will be with Russia.
    1. +37
      15 May 2012
      The article does not call for the destruction of Georgia. The article correctly says that in the event of repeated coercion to peace, we will be FORCED to destroy the MILITARY INFRASTRUCTURE of the state of Georgia so that there is no need to engage in coercion for the third time.
      Do Russians want war ?! Categorically - no! But if the solution of security issues is not possible by political measures (and with a tie-eater this is exactly so!), Then you will have to threaten military force or, in extreme cases, use it.
      1. +23
        15 May 2012
        Quote: "Now there are 37 thousand of them and their training is much better than those who fought in August 2008."
        Now there are more runners and run faster ??? laughing
        Quote: "And add to that the desire for revenge ..."
        This thirst only torments the top, the rest is unlikely to hunt again to slap the slaps
        1. DERWISH
          +12
          15 May 2012
          MOST CORRECTLY THIS SHOULD MAKE A DECREASE OF GEORGIAN LOCAL POPULATION OF GEORGIA LEAD AND HORSE CLEAR IN CASE OF MILITARY ACTIONS IT WILL AFFECT AS MOST RULES !!! LET MISHIKO FOR A TIE AND ABROAD !!! AND NO bully
        2. +39
          15 May 2012
          Well, you witty! The longer the site, the more convinced that the more stars, the dumber and more monotonous comments.
          According to the information of the deputy chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces A. A. Nogovitsyn, as of August 13, the loss of Russian troops totaled 74 people dead, 19 missing, 171 wounded.
          Of course, they easily slapped the Georgians in the face, it’s not you one of the 74 or 19 or 171 people. As easy as they put a slap on the head. And once again it is necessary to weigh - you know for sure that it is not you who will hang up - you will then write "glory to the fallen heroes, WE took Tbilisi", etc.
          1. Yarbay
            +9
            15 May 2012
            Mostovik
            Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!
          2. vlaval1
            +1
            15 May 2012
            Bridge, it would be possible to put +100 !!!! well done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        3. Cadet787
          +4
          15 May 2012
          This bastard, haunted by the laurels of Benito Mussalini, hanged with his head down.
        4. borisst64
          +2
          16 May 2012
          "their training is much better than those who fought in August 2008"

          Who defined this?
      2. +30
        15 May 2012
        Quote: BigLexey
        we will be FORCED to destroy the MILITARY INFRASTRUCTURE of the state of Georgia so that there is no need to engage in coercion for the third time.
        Colonel-General Ivashov-The attack of Georgia on our allies in the person of Abkhazia and South Ossetia will be aggression against Russia. And the answer will not be so restrained and modest as it was in August 2008. Even a small armed government will declare war on Russia. Russia does not want to fight , but if the Georgian people allow their president to arrange the right to do so, it will be a full-scale war. With the bombing of Tbilissi, the presidential palace, with attacks on all military garrisons ... And then the question will arise in general about the existence of Georgian of the state ....
        He didn’t add anything and didn’t decrease anything ...
        1. Winter
          +21
          15 May 2012
          Saakashvili has nowhere to go, and he will be valued for power until the last. Something is planned! .. It is not in vain that our people strengthen the southern direction at an accelerated pace!
          1. +6
            15 May 2012
            Quote: Winter
            Saakashvili has nowhere to go

            Well, why, Milady, have an American wife with sukashvilli, can get a green card ...
            1. Ataturk
              +4
              15 May 2012
              Quote: Nick
              Well, why, Milady, have an American wife with sukashvilli, can get a green card

              she is not an American but from Holland.
              1. 0
                18 May 2012
                And there, and there p.i.do.r.a.m., oh, excuse me, gays, living freely. In Dur-Country they are even married, and in the States the resident supported them. Mishiko can go there and there - equipenisually.
        2. +1
          15 May 2012
          Georgia has neither troops nor weapons for war, but it may be enough for provocation, only Saska will not have power in any military situation, but the Georgians will be put in a pose just right.
      3. Yoshkin Kot
        +10
        15 May 2012
        bridges, water towers, power plants, airfields, ports, industrial enterprises, bakeries, military bases, didn’t forget anything?
        1. +12
          15 May 2012
          laughing According to Lenin, you also need a telephone with a telegraph
          1. +7
            15 May 2012
            But have you forgotten the Internet and mobile operators?
            1. +3
              15 May 2012
              Quote: domokl
              According to Lenin, you also need a telephone with a telegraph

              Quote: dengy12
              But have you forgotten the Internet and mobile operators?

              In short, all communications ...
            2. 0
              18 May 2012
              Operators on the side, but how to get into cell phones from bombers?
      4. Scrooge
        +3
        15 May 2012
        military force is not a flag in the May Day demonstration ... they don’t swing it. It either has the country or it doesn’t.
        and second
        Quote: BigLexey
        if resolving security issues is not possible with political measures
        ... and who said it was impossible?
        certain circles DO NOT WANT to solve peacefully. it will be more true.
    2. Yoshkin Kot
      +10
      15 May 2012
      brotherly Georgian people? what are you? when was he like that? we are not people for them, if a Russian is a talented person, they will definitely say that his mother "bl-d" gave birth to him from a Georgian
    3. +15
      15 May 2012
      Well, where, do you see the fraternal Georgian people today? All this is already in the past, prapoganda has done its job. So Saka and the Georgian people are de facto the same
    4. YARY
      +16
      15 May 2012
      Well brotherly - thanks to the "work" of the "oilmen" and years of fooling, it is said loudly! angry
      Not mercenaries fought with Russia in 2008! And their attitude towards Russians, even in Soviet times, cannot be called derogatory. This is their national trait. angry
      So change the mode-YES! Return to Russia, NO! But the constant pressure and supervision that the Yankees used to go wild is reasonable. bully
      Let's wait for the next "blitzkrieg" of the Tie-maker - And forward! To Tbilisi! To Batumi!

      PySy After the liberation, you can restore Adjara as the British and make Batumi (forever!) The Russian base of the Navy , like Poti actually goof !!! angry angry angry

      And secure everything with a legal transfer to eternal gratuitous use!


      1. father tudy-syudy
        -36
        15 May 2012
        Was the author of the article sober when he composed all this? laughing
        - The people of Georgia will independently choose their future in the elections! What does Russia have to do with it?
        - Georgia’s military policy is solely the prerogative of the Georgian leadership elected in the general election! What does Russia have to do with it again? Did Georgia once tell Russia what to buy from weapons and what not? Funny laughing
        - Ukraine, for those who are not in the know, today an INDEPENDENT State, and is able to independently determine partners in the arms trade! What does Russia have to do with it again?
        - Georgia has every right, as a sovereign state, to organize and conduct exercises with anyone, how and wherever it wants! What side is Russia in general here?
        - what is "Abkhazia"? Who is this and where is it? By whom and when is it recognized or recognized? laughing
        - A very base article for such a reputable site!
        1. +8
          15 May 2012
          and you dear yourself were sober when you read the article?
          1. +3
            16 May 2012
            Why should he sober up? He doesn’t have the brain to think, but to be sick in the morning ... the author is right ... Tensions in the south are growing and Saakashvili does not accept unleashing a provocation against Russia simply because he has no choice ..He is a political corpse, and after the election of a new president, perhaps a physical one .. so a thousand times are right .. We need to keep an eye out
        2. +11
          15 May 2012
          Mr. Tudy-Syudy (a very accurate name), let me remind you that in August 2008 the regular army of "independent Georgia" attacked a peacekeeping contingent that had an international mandate, signed by Georgia as well. The contingent consisted of Russian citizens. Under the fire of the Georgian army's multiple launch rocket systems (even NATO admitted this, if you don't know), civilians were killed. For example, you scream very loudly about civilians in Syria. And in Ossetia, there were Russian citizens who made their choice independently and consciously (find three differences from the citizens of Georgia). Thus, Russia defended its citizens (or is it a wonder you that the state is obliged to protect its citizens?).
          Quote: Father Tudy-syudy
          Did Georgia once tell Russia what to buy from weapons and what not?

          Please explain why you (the West, NATO) tell Iran how to arm and what. And he arms himself out of fear of your aggression. There are many examples of such aggression in recent years. Enumeration will take up a lot of space.
          Quote: Father Tudy-syudy
          what is "abkhazia"? Who is this and where is it? By whom and when is it recognized or recognized?

          Firstly, study geography (or it’s not customary with you, it’s easier to live in ignorance), and secondly, recognition of Russia is more than enough and your politicians understand this very well.

          PS. But Father then escaped !! Absolutely NATO. As I met a strong one, I’d squeeze the tail, and bark from the gateway. They do not know how to honestly and openly defend their point of view - the gut is thin!
          1. vlaval1
            -16
            15 May 2012
            Please explain why you (the West, NATO) tell Iran how to arm and what. And he is arming himself out of fear of your aggression .----- Well then, Georgia should help develop an atomic bomb --- yes, the Baltic states too, along with Moldova and Ukraine, they are also afraid of Russian aggression
            1. OSTAP BENDER
              +23
              15 May 2012
              Don’t put Ukraine here! I live in Ukraine and I will tell you. No one here is afraid of Russian aggression (finally, the words Russian and I hope Moscow, you write with a capital letter), maybe several people like you, but this is not all Ukraine! And yet, I live on the border with Moldova (Moldova will be right) and communicate with Moldovan citizens, so I have not met frightened people with the Russian threat! It’s there that the Romanians are howling, like you probably are! So Jew, don’t sign for us!
              1. vlaval1
                -12
                15 May 2012
                blender, then the Romanians and the Poles will give a bomb! laughing Let them also be nuclear powers! laughing laughing
              2. -4
                15 May 2012
                I fully support
              3. +2
                16 May 2012
                Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                I live in Ukraine and I will tell you. No one here is afraid of Russian aggression
                From the point of view of some Ukrainians, you are simply zombified by Moscow ... When people do not understand, or rather do not want to understand the benefits for their country and are ready to throw their brothers into the grave just because freedom is more important than a good life, they will not understand you .. You you become second-rate .. So it was and will be so ...
                1. OSTAP BENDER
                  +6
                  16 May 2012
                  Every day I watch how the propaganda of "independence" works, how people are brainwashed (especially young people), how friends, foaming at the mouth, prove what a useful program "Schuster" is. It is difficult for them to understand (they just do not want to think) that no one needs them, especially the European Union! Is that in the role of cannon meat, somewhere in Afghanistan !!!!
          2. fidel
            -17
            15 May 2012
            jackyun,
            I will answer you instead of tudes-syudy:
            1. How and under what circumstances did the Russian "peacekeeping" contingent appear in South Ossetia? Let's remember this funny story? And why exactly Russian, and not Turkish, for example? Who gave such a sole right to Russia?
            2. The Georgian army has every right to use those military means that it considers necessary! Russia used Grads, flamethrowers and aerial bombings in Grozny? Can we recall this story?
            3. What did the Russian peacekeeping contingent in Ossetia do? Read the German press, everything is clearly and clearly described
            4. When, by whom and under what circumstances did the Ossetians receive Russian passports? Remind ... There are a lot of similar "Russians" in Sevastopol, so soon you will "liberate" Sevastopol too? And further London in the plans? Logic, I hope you got it? lol
            5. So maybe Georgia and the Baltic states will be allowed to have nuclear weapons? How do you like this option? And there, the Mujahideen of Dagestan are not far away .... But you do not allow Russian citizens to have firearms in private use? Got it?
            6. What are Abkhazia and South Ossetia in terms of "state"? What are the sources of income and filling local budgets? We do not take into account smuggling, stolen cars and money sent by "thieves in law" lol
            These "countries" ARE NOT RECOGNIZED BY ANYONE IN THE WORLD, here are the answers to all your questions!
            1. Eugene
              +4
              15 May 2012
              For smart Fidel.
              Quote: fidel
              How can Georgia and the Baltic states be allowed to have nuclear weapons? How do you like this option?

              They signed a non-proliferation treaty.
            2. +17
              15 May 2012
              Quote: fidel
              How and under what circumstances did the Russian "peacekeeping" contingent appear in South Ossetia? Let's remember this funny story? And why exactly Russian, and not Turkish, for example? Who gave such a sole right to Russia?

              - Russian peacekeeping forces are there with UN sanction, if that. As for the sole right of Russia, it is definitely not up to you to decide, and they will not ask you. And you decide to ask - a lot of questions will come to you and for the village of Sheela and others - you are tormented to answer am
              Quote: fidel
              2. The Georgian army has every right to use those military means that it considers necessary! Russia used Grads, flamethrowers and aerial bombings in Grozny? Can we recall this story?

              - The storming of Grozny - at that time there were no civilians there, there were only militants. We agreed in advance "we will storm - bring out the civilians." It took a lot of effort to catch the militants trying to escape from the crowd of local residents being taken out. And here is the use of Grad against civilians of a peaceful city and myrtvors, armed only with light small arms! Quit that - measure by yourself. It is customary for you to carry out carpet bombing of Lebanon indiscriminately and consider it normal. We have a nifiga like this am
              Quote: fidel
              . What did the Russian peacekeeping contingent in Ossetia do? Read the German press, everything is clearly and clearly described

              “I don't give a damn about your deceitful press, its faith is not worth a damn.” Then in Moscow, performances with numerous victims, while at least the Greek palm trees would be wiped out, or something. Although out of the least respect for the misleading. Either Tripoli is a fake, it is an Ossetian girl who coughs - you’ll at least take care of your journalism, at least slightly increase their professional level, or you’ll be absolutely shameful blunders. And then you send us some links. I saw 08.08.08 your RTVi channel - so only your television can be selflessly lying, it is Israeli, no offense.
              Quote: fidel
              When, by whom and under what circumstances did Ossetians receive Russian passports? Remind ... There are a lot of similar "Russians" in Sevastopol, so soon you will "liberate" Sevastopol too? And further London in the plans? Logic, I hope you got it?

              - You will not shove the Russian passport by force. If you want, try it. Since people make such requests, it’ll be taken into account, they ask for protection, and leaving them without protection was generally not in the rules of Russia. This tradition since the days of the Turkish-Balkan wars!
              Quote: fidel
              What are Abkhazia and South Ossetia in terms of "state"? What are the sources of income and filling local budgets? We do not take into account smuggling, stolen cars and money sent by "thieves in law"

              - You wouldn’t generalize like that, otherwise we can also generalize a lot to Israel. Israel has not much more rights to consider itself a full-fledged state - the same in terms of population and territory. It’s by force itself a year with a tail by the standards of large systems — and there, already through gritted teeth and down on the new states. Are you too arrogant, comrade? Is there any reason? It’s not for you to decide what kind of state they are, you have the courage to ask them this question there. in Tskhinval. You will be answered, you will like it
              1. Yarbay
                -1
                15 May 2012
                Belaboroda you are here bent !!
                Before the assault on Grozny, Grachev announced that the Russian army did not intend to send troops and storm Grozny ((remember the passage about one landing regiment, he said there))) There was a New Year-Holiday!
                incomparable with the Olympics!
                As for passports, you are wrong, then Russia recognized these territories for Georgia, it’s a blow in the back!
                As for the German press, I completely agree with you !!
                Western press is mostly selling !!
                1. +4
                  15 May 2012
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Before the assault on Grozny, Grachev announced that the Russian army did not intend to send troops and storm Grozny ((remember the passage about one landing regiment, he said there))) There was a New Year-Holiday!
                  - I did not mean this concrete assault on Grozny. I mean the final assault. And the storming of another city, I do not remember the name, Basayev's hometown, civilians were classically withdrawn there, and the soldiers tried to catch the militants among them. Well, again, how? - a young guy, they snatched him out of the evacuees, then his mother jumps, a scandal, like my son ah-yay! "etc. It doesn't matter, the fact itself is that the hail was not used against civilians, so the accusations of Castro's namesake are groundless.
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  As for passports, you are wrong, then Russia recognized these territories for Georgia, it’s a blow in the back!

                  - Yes, they did not admit to Georgia. And read the Union Treaty of the USSR, so how can Georgia be recognized as territories not belonging to it? It also clearly states how to act when entering from the Union. Abkhazians and Ossetians are right in any way. The fact that they are not recognized is already politics, a politically motivated, intentional decision that Fidel is trying to impart to us as objective and fair.
                  1. Yarbay
                    -5
                    15 May 2012
                    white beard let's be serious !!
                    I'm not a kid and not children here !!
                    The whole world and Russia, including recognized these territories!
                    If not, show the UN document in which, when Georgia was accepted there, it was disputed by its integrity !!
                    what contract to read ??
                    I personally, to a great extent, don’t give a damn about the territory of Georgia, but either we are talking about serious things seriously or we should not talk about it!
                    Just note that it is allowed for Jupiter is not allowed for a bull and drink kvass))
                    1. +4
                      15 May 2012
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      I'm not a kid and not children here !!
                      - I didn’t say anything like that smile
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      The whole world and Russia, including recognized these territories!
                      - with pleasure I will familiarize myself with this document, if you provide smile And before those holes I can’t agree, sorry.
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      If not, show the UN document in which, when Georgia was accepted there, it was disputed by its integrity !! what agreement to read ??
                      - Union Treaty of 1922. The UN was not then, and therefore there is reason to affirm the priority of this Treaty over all decisions of the UN - the Treaty has no retroactive effect.


                      Quote: Yarbay
                      I personally, to a great extent, don’t give a damn about the territory of Georgia, but either we are talking about serious things seriously or we should not talk about it!
                      - I also do not care about the integrity of the territory of Georgia. Seriously, in the zone of attack there were peacekeepers from the Russian Federation, who are there with UN sanction, this is more than enough to punish Georgia, you can’t worry about the rest.

                      Quote: Yarbay
                      Just note that it is allowed for Jupiter is not allowed for a bull and drink kvass))
                      - Still, you need to strive to ensure that everyone has the same rights. I understand that it is impossible, but we must strive, otherwise - we will legitimize the slave system smile
                      And purely human - Abkhazians and Ossetians - are not at all what the Albanians are about in Kosovo. The difference is that the Albanians were simply allowed to live in Kosovo for human reasons, they were refugees from the Tirana regime - the capital of Albania fully justified its name. They multiplied, became the majority in Kosovo (politics of spikes) and chopped off the territory.
                      And Abkhazians and Ossetians from time immemorial lived in these territories (in the form of Alans). The difference, as you see, still exists. These are their lands, these are not the lands of Georgians, and if they did not want to live as part of Georgia, this is their right and a serious miscalculation of the Georgians. They could have agreed among themselves there, and Russia would have nothing to do with it. But the oak actions of the Georgians - and the result is obvious. Now they’re dissolving.
                      Of course, Russia’s miscalculations are here, unfortunately, not without it. sad It was necessary at the very beginning to resolve - to persuade Abkhazians and Ossetians to live as part of the Georgians in exchange for the loyalty of these same Georgians, and then take and annex all together - not like now, only Abkhazia and Ossetia with hostile Georgia overboard, and all together in bulk. But let's not forget what was raging in the early 90s, Russia itself did this in Moscow, not before such complex combinations. But what happened is what happened. This means that Russia will simply swallow Georgia later, and Georgia will not go anywhere. The state in the amount of a couple of millions of inhabitants in an independent form is unviable for any. Even Israel, although its representative spoke so highly of Ossetia and Abkhazia, is even not viable, even with a developed science and army - without the help of Amer taxpayers, measured in a billion dollars and huge political support, the neighbors will gnaw at the moment.
                      1. Yarbay
                        -3
                        15 May 2012
                        Dear Akskal!
                        we are talking about the same thing and different things at the same time !!)
                        As for me to familiarize you with the document !!
                        This is a document of the adoption of Georgia as an independent state in the UN!
                        There is a document with maps and all that!
                        That is, when accepting Georgia at the UN, no state presented a claim to it regarding the territory and recognized its territory indicated by it !!
                        Including Russia!
                        As for the union agreement, 22 years!
                        Those 4 Presidents gathered in the Beloveshskaya Pushcha under the leadership of Yeltsin simply cheated and wiped them, and here I don’t see the fault of Georgia!
                        As for how Ossetians got into South Ossetia, read. I gave a certificate from Dubrovin here!
                        Understand, dear, if from the very beginning I mean they were not encouraged by the Abkhazians and Ossetians, they would live normally and believe me they can live !!
                        If you don’t know, as a neighbor, I know perfectly well that there are three or 4 Ossetian villages in Kakheti and live normally!
                        Other peoples live in Georgia and why they can, but these do not !!
                        NOT SERIOUS!
                        As for Kosovo, I completely agree with you this mockery and complete disrespect for international law !!
                        Alas, there is lawlessness in the world today, a law of the strong, not a law of law, and this is fraught with big problems in the future!
                        You are right that these republics in this situation are not viable !! Moreover, there is and will be lawlessness!
                        You are right that Georgia would not go away !!
                        Just because of the wrong policy, relations are damaged for a long time !!
                        In principle, I agree with the second part of your comment !!
                        with respect
                      2. candy bar140105
                        +3
                        15 May 2012
                        I didn't understand something, when in 89 Gamsakhurdia sent armed thugs to Tskhinvali to "plant the Georgian language and culture" these same geeks were thrown out of the city by unarmed people who stood up for their Motherland (I am not exaggerating, this is how it was), after then the first war began and thousands of Ossetians were killed, whole villages were burned. And who then incited the Ossetians if not the schizoid Gamsakhurdia himself? And as for the Ossetians living in Georgia, I will explain - such a practice was used, if you are Ossetian and your surname, for example, Gutsaev, you are offered to "become a Georgian" and change your surname to (dze) or (shvili). So in Georgia live mainly those who agreed with this. And whoever remained OSSETIAN, went through years of not the sweetest life, but in the end achieved INDEPENDENCE, of course with the help of Russia, a big brother ... So don't be bullshit ...
                      3. +1
                        16 May 2012
                        There is much to argue about and nothing to argue about, unfortunately.
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Those 4 Presidents gathered in the Beloveshskaya Pushcha under the leadership of Yeltsin simply cheated and wiped them, and here I don’t see the fault of Georgia!
                        - and who was there fourth?
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Understand, dear, if from the very beginning I mean they were not encouraged by the Abkhazians and Ossetians, they would live normally and believe me they can live !!
                        - Well, here I have no information, you need to see it on the ground and we need evidence.
                        Maybe you are right about the territory of South Ossetia, I would not like to go into these details much, most importantly, we agree on one thing - a lot of mistakes have been made on all sides, but mistakes are correctable (provided that there are no third parties to oppose) and unification is inevitable (and even with opposition from third countries, it just happens later).
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Just because of the wrong policy, relations are damaged for a long time !!
                        - life goes on, between nations there is no longer such enmity, but by and large it was not there. Everyone understands that the military conflict is the result of gross errors of both the one and the other and the third party, moreover, the mistakes of the elite, and not the people. In short, politics is to blame, and specifically, such a feud wow what thread Suliko towards any Petya and vice versa - it still does not exist by now. A tie-eater will leave, a more adequate and negotiable president will come - there will already be a small step towards improvement
                      4. Yarbay
                        -3
                        16 May 2012
                        Dear aksakal!
                        Tell me, what politician or President of Georgia has satisfied Russian politicians since independence?
                        Give at least one last name!
                        No need to fool yourself !!
                        I repeat, in principle, both sides did everything to worsen relations and they are spoiled worse nowhere!
                        I do not condone the Georgians and they have many mistakes, and since Soviet times, their nationalism has been strong!
                        No matter what a politician comes to, politicians in Russia will not like him and, apparently, Russia is like him too!
                        Apparently this is a long time!
                      5. +1
                        16 May 2012
                        What about nations' right to self-determination?
              2. iulai
                +3
                15 May 2012
                aksakal, respect, comforted, well done !!!!!!
              3. +4
                15 May 2012
                aksakal- Good afternoon, colleague! Well, do not consider my post as plagiarism while I was typing an answer to this "Fedya Kostrov". I am glad that our thoughts are idiotic! drinksA plus!
                1. +3
                  15 May 2012
                  Quote: Tersky
                  aksakal- Good afternoon, colleague! Well, do not consider my post as plagiarism while I was typing an answer to this "Fedya Kostrov". I am glad that our thoughts are idiotic!
                  - kind!! Thank you for your kind words, I already guessed smile I was just glad that I’m printing faster smile And glad that really like-minded people smile
              4. OSTAP BENDER
                +3
                15 May 2012
                aksakal! Regards +100!
              5. +2
                16 May 2012
                Aksakal. Plus under each item !!! How these geeks love to screw up our country. And why?! Yes, because of its worthlessness! Either Iran is bad, Syria is ruled by a "despot". Russia is an authoritarian state. All of the above countries have a MANY CENTURY HISTORY !!! And it's not for you to teach us life!
            3. +6
              15 May 2012
              Quote: fidel
              The Georgian army has every right to use those military means that it considers necessary!

              Including against civilians?
              Quote: fidel
              Russia used Grads, flamethrowers and aerial bombings in Grozny?

              This is the territory of the Russian Federation, and weapons were used against gangs
              Quote: fidel
              What did the Russian peacekeeping contingent in Ossetia do?

              All that the peacekeeping contingent should do is only the destruction of the civilian population, which was what the Georgian troops were doing
              Quote: fidel
              maybe Georgia and the Baltic states will be allowed to have nuclear weapons

              Monkey grenade?
              Quote: fidel
              What are Abkhazia and South Ossetia in terms of "state"?

              What is Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Georgia in terms of the state? What are the sources of budget replenishment for the "cities" I have listed? If 2 million Georgians live in Russia? If all Baltic satellites live on EU handouts?
              Quote: fidel
              will you soon "liberate" Sevastopol?

              It is unnecessary for us to release him; no one has handed him over to Ukraine, as far as London is concerned, he was long ago taken by Berezovsky, Zakayev, etc.
              1. Yarbay
                -1
                15 May 2012
                Hello Victor!
                Let's honestly communicate!
                We all saw on Russian TV how, a week before the events, civilians were taken out of Tskhinvali!

                So for Georgia is a gang!
                I correctly understood that the Sevastopol Russian Territory ??
                1. +6
                  15 May 2012
                  Good afternoon, Alibek! also on all channels of Russian TV we saw how many civilians were in Tskhinval at the time of the hostilities, and how many of them died. Regarding the status of Sevastopol - After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Russian Federation took a number of steps confirming the Russian status of Sevastopol and Crimea.

                  The Decree of the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation of May 21 of 1992 of the year No. 2809-1 stipulates: “Resolution of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR of February 5 of 1954“ On the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR ”, as adopted in violation of the Constitution of the RSFSR and legislative procedure, recognize as null and void from the moment of adoption. ”

                  On July 9 of 1993 of the year, the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation adopted Resolution No. 5359-1 “On the Status of the City of Sevastopol”. It says: “Confirm the Russian federal status of the city of Sevastopol in the administrative-territorial boundaries of the city district as of December 1991,” i.e. at the time of the collapse of the USSR.

                  On 23 of August 1994 of the year, the Sevastopol City Council makes a decision “On the Status of the City of Sevastopol” and “Appeal ...” on this issue.

                  TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
                  Comrade YELTSIN B.N.
                  TO THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE
                  Comrade KUCHME L.D.
                  CHAIRMAN OF THE FEDERAL MEETING OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
                  Comrade SHUMEYKO V.F.
                  CHAIRMAN OF THE STATE DUMA OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
                  Comrade Rybkin I.P.
                  CHAIRMAN OF THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF UKRAINE
                  Comrade FROST A.A.

                  ABOUT
                  SEVASTOPOL CITY COUNCIL OF PEOPLE'S DEPUTIES

                  The Sevastopol City Council of People’s Deputies appeals to you with a proposal to make a state, verified decision on the Russian Federal Status of Sevastopol and to finally solve the problems of the Black Sea Fleet.

                  The grounds for considering these problems are:

                  The will of the residents of Sevastopol and Black Sea sailors, 89% of whom answered positively to the question about its Russian status;
                  Lack of specific decisions on the status of the city and the fleet;
                  The ongoing financial and economic blockade of the city;
                  The fundamentally impossible joint basing of the forces of the Black Sea Fleet and the Ukrainian Navy;
                  Introduction to the city of the units of the National Guard of Ukraine without coordination with the city Council of People's Deputies;

                  The legal basis of the Russian federal status of the city of Sevastopol was thoroughly studied by numerous commissions, including international ones, based on the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR of October 29 of October 1948 on the separation of the city of Sevastopol from the Crimean Region as an independent administrative unit with the status of a city of republican subordination.

                  De jure, the city of Sevastopol is now part of the Russian Federation, since the transfer of the 1954 year on the status of the city of Sevastopol was not canceled when the Crimean Region was transferred from Russia to Ukraine in the 1948 year, and the subsequent extension of the jurisdiction of Ukraine to the city of Sevastopol was adopted unilaterally, without appropriate decision by the constitutional authorities of the RSFSR.

                  With the collapse of the USSR in December 1991 and the formation of the sovereign states of the Russian Federation and Ukraine, the Russian legal status of the city of Sevastopol did not undergo any changes, but was further confirmed by the adoption of the Resolution of the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation dated July 9, 1993 "On the status of the city of Sevastopol".

                  Legal unsettled relations between Russia and Ukraine by the status of the city of Sevastopol opens up opportunities for territorial claims of third countries.

                  Dear politicians!

                  Given the special importance of the city of Sevastopol for Russia, the constant growth of negative consequences caused by the unresolved issues mentioned above, we ask you to fulfill the will of the city residents and Black Sea sailors, restore historical justice, immediately conclude negotiations on the federal Russian status of the city of Sevastopol and finally solve the problems of the Black Sea Fleet. We believe that the delegation of the Sevastopol City Council is required to participate in the negotiations.

                  We believe that your state wisdom and responsibility will solve the problems of the city of Sevastopol and the Black Sea Fleet.

                  23 August 1994 year

                  Chairman of the City Council
                  People's Deputies of Sevastopol V. Semenov

                  head
                  Secretariat of the City Council K. Pavlenko

                  Chairman
                  Editorial committee of the session V. Romanenko

                  Chairman
                  Secretariat of the session I. Kulikov

                  SEVASTOPOL CITY COUNCIL OF PEOPLE'S DEPUTIES

                  XXI CONVOCATION OF THE II SESSION

                  DECISION

                  № 41

                  "23" August 1994 Sevastopol


                  On the status of the city of Sevastopol.

                  After hearing and discussing the information of the deputy of the city Council from the 7th electoral district V.I. "On the status of the city of Sevastopol" and, taking into account the results of a public opinion poll of the city's citizens dated June 26, 1994 on this issue, as well as the ongoing interstate contacts between Ukraine and the Russian Federation on the conclusion of a full-scale agreement, the Sevastopol City Council of People's Deputies

                  I DECIDED:

                  Recognize the Russian legal status of the city of Sevastopol;
                  To confirm the principled position of the city Council on Sevastopol as the main base of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, expressed in all previous decisions of the city Council XX1 and XXP Convocation;
                  To accept the appeal of the City Council on the status of the city of Sevastopol to the Presidents of the two states B.N. Yeltsin and Kuchma L.D., to the heads of the highest bodies of state power Shumeiko V.F., Rybkin I.P., Morozov A.A. (attached);
                  Send a delegation of the City Council to participate in the negotiations;
                  The control over the implementation of this decision shall be assigned to the Deputy Chairman of the City Council N. Glushko

                  Chairman of the City Council
                  People's Deputies of Sevastopol V. Semenov

                  Head of the Secretariat of the City Council K. Pavlenko
                  Chairman of the Editorial Committee of the session V. Romanenko

                  Chairman of the secretariat of the session I. Kulikov

                  The deputies of the city council proceeded from a simple truth: Sevastopol is a shrine for Russians, and especially Russians. They founded it as a Russian city, a Russian naval stronghold, standing guard over Russia. Two heroic defenses of the fortified city in 1853-1856 and 1941-1942 entered the history of Russia forever, glorified our wonderful ancestors. In Sevastopol, literally every inch of the earth is watered with Russian blood, and more than once. In his land forever remained the ancestors of so many Russian families who did not spare their blood and life itself for the sake of independence of the Fatherland, of modern generations and of future generations. And here you have a reference, there is more details http://crimea-tour.ru/o_statuse_sev.html
                  1. Yarbay
                    +2
                    15 May 2012
                    Dear Victor, what does this mean ???
                    What did Messrs. Yeltsin, Shumeyko and Co. answer?
                    As far as I know, they ignored, to put it mildly!
                    Then what is the question?
                    Yeltsin, however, and Gorbachev when it came to their personal, were ready to break everyone!
                    When it comes to the state, nevermind they were!
                    1. +3
                      15 May 2012
                      It was not a word - they ignored it, at the time of the collapse of the USSR, each of these gentlemen was thinking only about personal gain, but not about the integrity of the territories of the former republics, especially in such legal subtleties. You are right in their paradoxical nonsense.
                      1. Yarbay
                        +1
                        15 May 2012
                        Here I am about it !!!
                        You plus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            4. Good Ukraine
              -3
              15 May 2012
              For Fidel

              [quote1.] How and under what circumstances did the Russian "peacekeeping" contingent appear in South Ossetia? Let's remember this funny story? And why exactly Russian, and not Turkish, for example? Who gave such a sole right to Russia?
  • candy bar140105
    +2
    15 May 2012
    Fidel, drown yourself in the toilet ... I read the "German press", you might think that someone there is not prejudiced against Russia. As for thieves in law, there are more of them just among Georgians, not Ossetians and Abkhazians. And the Russian contingent chose the people of Ossetia and Abkhazia, because this is a fraternal people with whom they have lived side by side for a long time, unlike your Turks (which in Germany will soon be more than Germans) ...
  • +2
    16 May 2012
    I wonder what kind of fidel ... it becomes difficult to read directly .... I put everything on the shelves .. I will answer you then ..
    1. Russian peacekeepers were in Abkhazia and South Ossetia after a war was unleashed there, which the Georgian government could not stop .. And they were at the request of Georgia, including what there is an agreement signed by Georgia ...
    2. The use of multiple launch rocket systems in settlements is prohibited by international agreements, which are signed including by Georgia .. Since these systems work not for purposes, but for areas ...
    3.What is the German press we saw in August 08 of the year .. Like the Western press in general .. So it’s better to ask the local Ossetians about the activities of peacekeepers ...
    4. In accordance with the law on citizenship of the Russian Federation, every citizen of the former USSR has the right to obtain Russian citizenship, regardless of place of residence and nationality
    5. Georgia and the Baltic states signed an agreement on the proliferation of nuclear weapons. Therefore, they cannot have these weapons .. Here Israel has not signed an agreement and is quietly developing these weapons ... And about the liberation of Sevastopol and London ... German, you have beguiled the nation .. we are Russian and we don’t need foreign lands .. This is just your dreams ...
    6Abkhazia and South Ossetia are recognized by Russia as independent states and, accordingly, relations with them are built as with independent states .. Have you paid much attention to our opinion in the defeat of Yugoslavia? Have you talked a lot about our not recognition of new states?
    And finally, if you want to argue with reason, then the facts must be real, and not the way you see them. We are so used to Western double and triple standards that it is difficult to surprise us.
    We understand that if we stumble you will crush us with pleasure ... Only we, as a state, have existed and will exist for the second millennium, and all this time we are pulling you out of the crap into which you constantly interfere ... By the way, paying for your experiments with Russian blood. ..That is so dear ...
  • +1
    16 May 2012
    Quote: fidel
    Can we recall this funny story?

    Let’s remember!
    A very funny story - the collapse of the empire!
    And with the collapse of the state, who first took control of how much and then had the strength / mind to keep that sovereign and integral.
    Mishiko had neither the mind nor the strength to keep these, already, states within Georgia.
  • +1
    16 May 2012
    Respected. These countries are recognized by Russia. This is enough for the peoples of Abkhazia and South Ossetia !!! And we all do not care about the opinion of the rest of the "crap". Do you want to apply Clause 6 to Kosovo?
  • prophetic
    0
    19 May 2012
    Quote: fidel
    What are Abkhazia and South Ossetia in terms of "state"?
    it’s the same as Kosovo. but they don’t recognize them because of double standards. if Chechens want to secede from Russia, it’s normal for Western countries, and for some reason Abkhazians and Ossetians have no right to secede from Georgia, it’s time choose one approach for such situations
  • +3
    15 May 2012
    I really want to believe that the people of Georgia will be allowed to independently choose a new head of state.

    Politics in the sense of the art of state administration, but this is an internal affair of Georgia, but there is one point that you don’t need to learn Russian twice, Georgia was taught primary education in 2008, if the policy continues the same as it was in 2008, but for now it’s for sure the same, then Russia will have no choice but to teach higher education, and this, as everyone here understands, will be very painful and destructive. Therefore, it is not necessary to involve ordinary citizens who do not want war in military adventures, and if there is a desire to openly fight, then why then hide behind the shoulders of other countries and arrange world hysteria that the Russians were the first to attack the unfortunate tie-eater.

    Ukraine is an independent state and you are right there are no international obligations prohibiting it from delivering non-offensive weapons to Georgia, the only question is how much it makes sense to stand in line for the Russian BUK2M and at the same time deliver air defense systems that protect the peaceful sky of Kiev and carry military combat duty, apparently from there they are better of course protect the native sky ..

    Regarding Georgia’s sovereign right to conduct exercises in almost the same way, with the exception of where and how, in their own territories and in compliance with international conventions. (THE BEGINNING OF WAR BY THE CONVENTION IS NOT EXPRESSLY PROVIDED)

    Abkhazia - Since the end of the 1803th century, the Abkhaz princes sought salvation from Ottoman oppression - and found it in the form of the patronage of Russia. Prince Keleshbey, in 1808 asking for Russian citizenship, was killed in 1809 as a result of a pro-Turkish conspiracy. His son Safarbey (George) in 17 crushed supporters of Turkey and appealed to the Russian government for patronage. The request was granted: on February 29 (1810), XNUMX, the Manifesto of Alexander I on the annexation of the Principality of Abkhazia to the Russian Empire came out.
  • Scrooge
    +2
    15 May 2012
    Quote: Father Tudy-syudy
    - Ukraine, for those who are not in the know - today an INDEPENDENT State, and are able to independently determine partners in the arms trade!

    doooo ... it is so independent that people from you run in batches to earn money around the world and to us)))
    it is so independent that only she (Ukraine) can bring all her actions to complete absurdity, especially if you recall how and with what ideological considerations Ukrainian mercenaries participated in the Tskhinvali massacre and how then the Ukrainian government pretended that it was not there than..
    you know, my dear Father But ... it would be funny if it weren’t so scary ..
    the feeling that power did not fall into the hands of normal adults, able to answer for their words and deeds, but into the hands of oligophrenics ... that I want to turn things around ... say, I’ll fall off, I’m independent and independent ..
    and then you’ll think about some trifles selling weapons .. well, and what’s at the state level, but to the neighbor), the neighbor also suffered at the time from the genocide of the USSR ...
    Yes, Georgia has every right))) the right to live in peace with neighbors, and not to arrange a new Kosovo just becausethat seems to offend me.... and in general, gentlemen, give someone But father new socks and a tie), otherwise he is not jealous of the author of the article)
  • +1
    15 May 2012
    Quote: Father Tudy-syudy
    the people of Georgia will independently choose their future in the elections! What does Russia have to do with it?

    Quote: Father Tudy-syudy
    Ukraine, for those who are not in the know, is today an INDEPENDENT State, and is able to independently determine partners in the arms trade! What does Russia have to do with it again? - Georgia has every right, as a sovereign state, to organize and conduct exercises with anyone, how and wherever it wants! What side is Russia in general here?

    Forgot a little, but father tudy-syuda, I’ll remind you:
    The principle of inviolability of borders was formulated in the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe in 1975: "The participating States regard as inviolable all borders of each other, like the borders of all states in Europe, and therefore they will refrain now and in the future from any encroachments to these boundaries ".

    Encroachment on state borders is unilateral actions or demands aimed at changing the position of the border line, its legal registration or the actual position of the border line on the ground. Therefore, the recognition of this principle also means renunciation of any territorial claims, that is, as it is stated later in the text of the principle, states "will accordingly refrain from any demands or actions aimed at seizing or usurping part or all of the territory of any participating state." ...


    The CSCE participating States have thereby expressed their recognition or confirmation of the existing borders of European states. This recognition is international legal, which entails certain legal consequences, in particular this recognition cannot be canceled. The international legal recognition of the actually existing border is equivalent to the agreement of the states regarding the existing border.
    So, this is all the territory of the USSR, and Russia is the successor, with all that it implies ...
  • +1
    16 May 2012
    Yes, the people of Georgia will make their own choice. Both in the political and military spheres. Just don't whine later when this choice turns into bloody snot. "What does Russia have to do with it?" Moreover! Russia to decide who is the boss in the region angry 58th will remind !!!
  • prophetic
    0
    19 May 2012
    In vain the Russian Empire saved the Georgians from the Turks, because they themselves were asked to be their subjects, but now they have become proud, if only to tear Russia
  • -3
    15 May 2012
    Yo-mayo, how many commanders are there for the load! To Tbilisi, to Batumi! As simple as a horse from B1 to C3 moved! Although what kind of chess, how do you play Chapaev? Phew! Already enrages! Phew!
    Of course, you can in Tbilisi and Batumi, when you know that you do not fight. And Georgia’s defeat is a trifling matter, just 5 days, especially when you watch a war from a TV screen.
    1. +2
      15 May 2012
      Ardent, I will take my words back if you shout "Hurray for Tbilisi" with a machine gun in hand during the assault on Tbilisi in the forefront of the advancing Russian troops.
  • +15
    15 May 2012
    Quote: Prophet Alyosha
    The next time Russia should not repeat the mistake


    True, it was necessary to take Tbilisi ....
    1. 755962
      +4
      16 May 2012
      Quote: Vadivak
      True, it was necessary to take Tbilisi ....

  • +4
    15 May 2012
    Sarkozy flew to Moscow twice and asked Medvedev to withdraw troops from Georgia. Now the situation is different, let's hope ...
  • +6
    15 May 2012
    Now, all together rush to minus me, but deep down everyone understands that there are no friends or brothers on the other side of the border. Indeed, in case of war it is necessary
    to strike at full speed - the destruction of military facilities, the bombing of command posts in Tbilisi itself, the destruction of state infrastructure

    This is exactly what the "brothers" teachers do. This is exactly what we must do so that in the future it will be unimportant to anyone.
    1. prophetic
      0
      19 May 2012
      an eye for an eye....
  • +1
    16 May 2012
    Dear, according to the experience of my long life, I am 58 years old, and with quite frequent meetings with Georgians both at work and in an informal setting, I can say that they have never been a "brotherly" people. In the eyes - well, it is better and more correct not to find a friend, but it is worth turning away, so beware, figuratively speaking, of a stone or a knife in the back.
    Sincerely.
  • +16
    15 May 2012
    It would be necessary for Sahak to buy weapons for a large batch of ties. He will have to chew them with tenfold strength.
    1. Vito
      +7
      15 May 2012
      Ustas
      Quote: Ustas
      It would be necessary for Sahak to buy weapons for a large batch of ties. He will have to chew them with tenfold strength.

      Greetings. I want to supplement it. Flavored with a star-striped pattern!
      1. prophetic
        0
        19 May 2012
        Vito, Flavored, with a taste of horseradish laughing
    2. +11
      15 May 2012
      Ustas
      I think there will be no one to chew or nothing. Have to suck ...
      1. +3
        15 May 2012
        And Mishiko issued a certificate, i.e. extract from the medical card: "There are no mental illnesses. Just a fool."
    3. Sniper 1968
      +2
      15 May 2012
      Quote: Ustas
      to arms to purchase a large batch of ties to buy. He will have to chew them with tenfold strength.

      Eat tangerines, chew ties, your last day is coming ... H (M) GOOD ... lol belay belay Yes
      1. 0
        15 May 2012
        Last time they attacked 08.08.08/12/12. This time that this tie-eater will throw out? 12/XNUMX/XNUMX? Or suicide in the mountains in the winter? I feel we will slam Mishiko, we’ll break the chain!
        1. vpm
          vpm
          +1
          15 May 2012
          Perhaps this time he will coincide with the Olympics. The next one is in London at the end of July.
  • +18
    15 May 2012
    Should we choose? Absurd. Let the Georgians choose a new clown for themselves.

    Estimate Georgia the ghost country is empty, one Mishiko walks along the empty Tbilisi with guard, wistfully fingering his tie. The circus has left.
    1. +15
      15 May 2012
      Salute, Sasha. This is what happens when a schizo is placed over a country. The country is almost half empty, and this idiot regularly reports on the successes of Georgian democracy and the successful booking of scooters.
      1. +4
        15 May 2012
        Hello Valera. Georgians are kind, albeit hot people. He will face you for 15 minutes telling how he will cut you, and as a result, everything ends with a table and songs.
    2. +5
      15 May 2012
      Why do we need another clown in a neighboring state?
      Let it be better to choose from those who suit us. Moreover, since the entire young and more or less reasonable population of Georgia has already left the country, the issue of election of the head of a neighboring state should not be left to chance.
    3. 0
      15 May 2012
      Probably it was necessary to read not only the title of the article, but also the letters after this title ..
      Quote: vorobey
      Should we choose? Absurd. Let the Georgians choose a new clown for themselves.
      1. +3
        15 May 2012
        Sasha, what’s wrong. The title of the article does not agree with letters at all.
        1. +2
          15 May 2012
          No matter how we had to choose the president of Georgia ...

          it’s not at all clear why should we choose?
        2. +2
          15 May 2012
          Hi Sasha, how does it not fit. Saka begins a warrior-Russia sends Georgia to the Stone Age. Next, we select a shepherd and let him visit this herd, and this is exactly how the Georgian people will be traced after the second warrior.
          1. +5
            15 May 2012
            Hi Sanya. the fact of the matter is that not hunting in the Stone Age to send anyone.
            My pathology only applies to the states and Britain.
            1. +2
              15 May 2012
              Sasha, are there any other options? Until the brains are corrected, they will not become different. They will continue to lick boots Amer
              1. +2
                15 May 2012
                Sanya, patience brother. Chaplin also ate a shoe in one movie. That's when you do not lick and start to bite then we will see.
    4. 0
      15 May 2012
      Quote: vorobey
      Should we choose? Absurd. Let the Georgians choose a new clown for themselves.

      if there is such an opportunity, it is better to do this to the special services of Russia than to p. endosia, and then HEZ what a dibil they vibrate! feel
  • cobra66
    +5
    15 May 2012
    It seems to me that the United States will achieve that Mishka won, and if there are demonstrations, they will be brutally crushed and no one will remember human rights
    1. sergskak
      +2
      15 May 2012
      cobra66,
      Most likely, the State Department will put the other pepper younger and more sympathetic. Mishik no longer excites them: he became boring.
  • +7
    15 May 2012
    Quote: vorobey
    Should we choose?

    Good health, colleague! Georgians will choose, our task, taking into account how many Georgians live in Russia, is to pro-Russian wink Russia needs an adequate neighbor. As for Sahak, for me it has long been an empty phrase, a man - nothing.
    1. Yarbay
      +2
      15 May 2012
      Victor, what have your politicians done and are doing so that there is a pro-Russian and * adequate * neighbor ???
    2. +4
      15 May 2012
      Victor, good afternoon. I do not think that the president should be pro-Russian. First of all, he must be sober. You understand what I mean. He should have a good knowledge of history and his people. Unfortunately at Harvard or Oxford this is not taught.

      Anyone knows that a neighbor sometimes turns out to be dearer than the closest relative.
    3. +1
      15 May 2012
      It seems to me that no one will choose anymore .. This article is a warning ... Prospects for the development of events and it seems to me quite logical
    4. +1
      15 May 2012
      Quote: Tersky
      As for Sahak, for me it has long been an empty phrase, a man - nothing.

      so be it, BUT ... he still steers there. although we can do it for the better as one must not be afraid of the dog that barks, but the one that is silent.
  • +9
    15 May 2012
    If Sahaka hopes that after another trick he will remain alive, then this is his fatal mistake. Russia will not forgive him for this.
  • Dante193
    +4
    15 May 2012
    The driven animal is dangerous in a double !!!
    1. +1
      15 May 2012
      Bear is a beast. But we are not afraid of corrupt hamsters.
      1. +3
        15 May 2012
        Quote: Manager

        Bear is a beast. But we are not afraid of corrupt hamsters.

        Do not forget that this hamster on ties has eaten up. laughing
        1. +4
          15 May 2012
          Zhenya is not a hamster, but a laboratory rat infected with a disease and spreading it throughout the country.
          1. +3
            15 May 2012
            Alexander (sorry if you made a mistake your name is like that) You need to understand that such rats Ama have bred to and more. And now they are hiding everywhere, it’s just that this was the most violent. And no one can guarantee that no one else will come to Mishko’s place. Here everyone focuses only on the military moment, but there is also another one. And if Sahaki has no guts to attack again? Then there will be elections and Russia cannot influence their outcome, but for Georgia they have probably already prepared a couple of the same rats that will tinker with before the elections and put the West who needs it again .. It seems to me that this is the main problem, and not that we trample them.
            1. +2
              15 May 2012
              Zhenya good afternoon. You were not mistaken, but call a sparrow if you want. I find it more pleasant.

              But the gut is not enough. Man is also an animal and the instinct of self-preservation is developed. Judging by myself. Fighting with a stronger one and getting in the teeth already can’t provoke myself. I react only to aggression. And what Russia needs in Georgia.
              Mandarins and those in Abkhazia.
    2. DERWISH
      +1
      15 May 2012
      The driven animal is dangerous in a double !!!


      CORRECT NOTE! Because of this idiot, it is unknown what all this will end !!!!
  • DYMITRY
    +3
    15 May 2012
    Is Mishiko making up for the Olympics again?
  • +4
    15 May 2012
    I have already said for a long time that there was no need to stop, but there were many disagreeing, Well, how can the world say that they will think about us? And the world would simply swallow the pill and shut up, and we would now have one less problem.
    1. 0
      15 May 2012
      Quote: almost demobilized
      and we would have one problem less now.


      The problem is not ours. But the state of Georgia.
      1. +1
        15 May 2012
        Manager, if I understand you correctly, there is no Georgian state, there are no problems. It is also an option.
  • Skiff
    +7
    15 May 2012
    Well, the article did not indicate how much the Russian army became stronger after the war. Russia, too, did not sit idly by and this time they cut it in full, so that the bloody fraud will fly away. But in general, God forbid, be a war, because these are the lives of our friends, children Fathers. God bless the idiot Mishiko from insane adventures.
  • irony
    +3
    15 May 2012
    Mishiko is a puppet. They pull the string - he twitches. In September, say? Isn't the APEC summit here in September? Here and there they hit. Or maybe timed to the beginning of the Olympics. As last time. After all, Georgians honor traditions. Although, what kind of Georgian is he? Shame on the nation.
  • 0
    15 May 2012
    Even I did not understand the article alone.
  • sergskak
    +1
    15 May 2012
    Another blitzkrieg, revenge? Now you need to plow them to the fullest. Who said that the people are not to blame? And why do they tolerate this abomination? Maybe the part that remains still supports his policy? So the case will turn out to try a new technique.
  • -1
    15 May 2012
    The bear last time crap too much to try his luck again.
  • SAMEDOV SULEYMAN
    +4
    15 May 2012
    In the first company, the calculation was made that Russia would not react during (suddenness on the one hand, the Olympic Games where were V.V. Putin and Medvedev who without him makes serious decisions on the other hand). So the article inflated the military threat from Georgia, although Mishiko’s dying agony may not be predictable!
    1. Yarbay
      +2
      15 May 2012
      I agree with you Suleiman !!
      Particularly impressed. * Why are there such expenses in a region where there are practically no claims on territorial and other issues between neighboring states. *
      Apparently, the author is not up to date with events in the region!
      1. +1
        15 May 2012
        Good afternoon Alibek, in the infa email that you took part of the territory with the temple from him there. If so, take away Tbilisi with everything else.
        1. Yarbay
          +4
          15 May 2012
          Hello Alexander!
          Well no!!!
          Nobody took anything from anyone!
          it is from the Soviet times the complex is located on the territory of Azerbaijan!
          Georgia offers to exchange the territory !!
          I think the issue will be resolved next door!
          Our us is more familiar to them!
          It’s just because of this that the democratization of borders drags on!
        2. Kamilla
          -1
          15 May 2012
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          If so, take away Tbilisi with everything else.


          Thank you, of course, for the kindness ... the story of the temple is one thing, and the capital of an independent state ..... Saakashvili is certainly inadequate .. but what should the Georgian people suffer for? We have good neighborly relations with Georgians, and we will not make a fuss about other people's territories .. we only want to return our own.
          1. +2
            15 May 2012
            Yes, not a question Camilla-return
            1. Ataturk
              +3
              15 May 2012
              Dear Alexander.
              Georgia has areas like
              Marneuli.
              Gardabani
              Dumanisi
              Sickly
              This is all BROWNED in Azerbaijani. In each city, up to 90% of Azerbaijanis live. This is eastern Georgia.
              It is still not known who took whom and what took away believe me.
              1. lado-6060
                +2
                15 May 2012
                It’s still not known who took whom and what took me believe me. wink
                1. Ataturk
                  +1
                  15 May 2012
                  Quote: lado-6060

                  It’s still not known who took whom and what took me believe me.

                  Dear Lado6060, why stir up the past? We must live in the present. If you really want to know, I can provide you with this information.

                  But by and large, so that they don’t say that Nazism is flourishing here on this site or that I’m trying to give links directly to the countries with which I associate the text.

                  Sincerely.
              2. nemesis 13
                -2
                12 2012 June
                Quote: Ataturk
                Dear Alexander.
                Georgia has areas like
                Marneuli.
                Gardabani
                Dumanisi
                Sickly
                This is all BROWNED in Azerbaijani. In each city, up to 90% of Azerbaijanis live. This is eastern Georgia.
                It is still not known who took whom and what took away believe me.

                ISHShShShShShShShSh YOU'RE OPETIC OPENED
            2. +2
              15 May 2012
              The Isko-Azerbaijani conflict ... The conversation was generally about another Azerbaijan, ambitions turn on ... Guys, but there is no question of Armenians
              1. Yarbay
                0
                15 May 2012
                Alexander!
                You carefully read the comments, then draw conclusions!
              2. SAMEDOV SULEYMAN
                0
                15 May 2012
                Quote: domokl
                The Isko-Azerbaijani conflict ... The conversation was generally about another Azerbaijan, ambitions turn on ... Guys, but there is no question of Armenians

                Actually, the conversation began
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Good afternoon Alibek, in the infa email that you took part of the territory with the temple from him there. If so, take away Tbilisi with everything else.

                And as always, we have to make excuses! OTHER TERRITORIES ARE NOT NEEDED TO US !!!
                1. +4
                  15 May 2012
                  Mr. Samedov, I didn’t write anything about Armenians! People Lead Prayer for Georgia
                  1. SAMEDOV SULEYMAN
                    +2
                    15 May 2012
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov

                    Mr. Samedov, I didn’t write anything about Armenians! People Lead Prayer for Georgia

                    Dear Alexander! I understood what you wrote about, just others took the further discussion as the ambitions of Azerbaijan to the Georgian lands. We would have to return our own, we don’t need someone else’s, dear friend!
                  2. SAMEDOV SULEYMAN
                    0
                    16 May 2012
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    People Lead Prayer for Georgia

                    Let it be too late, but I found this information! - According to the Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Georgia Nino Kalandadze, part of the Udabno monastery in the David Gareji monastery complex is not a disputed territory, it has been considered Azerbaijani territory since the USSR.

                    According to DEFENCE.az with reference to Georgia-Online, Georgian Deputy Foreign Minister Nino Kalandadze said at a briefing, commenting on the message according to which Azerbaijani border guards were located in the Udobno monastery.

                    “Regarding the issue of delimitation, several working groups have been created and active work is underway, but this process is accompanied by certain difficulties and has not yet been completed. As for the particular part of the David Garedze complex that became the source of the problem, it has not been within the borders of Georgia since the Soviet era and represented the territory of Azerbaijan, ”Kalandadze said and expressed hope that the delimitation process will be completed soon.

                    As a number of Georgian media outlets reported earlier, at the beginning of May Azerbaijan moved its border guards to the area of ​​a unique historical object - the David-Gareji monastery complex, which is located 60 kilometers southeast of Tbilisi. The main monastery is the Lavra of St. David, which is located on the northern slope of the mountain separating Georgia and Azerbaijan. The appearance of Azerbaijani border guards in the area of ​​the monastery was reported by the Georgian TV company Maestro, referring to information received from the monks living in the monastery. According to the clergy, Azerbaijani border guards appeared on the territory of the David Gareji monastery complex on May 6.
                2. Yarbay
                  +2
                  15 May 2012
                  Dear Suleiman! After reading your koment I remembered the movie * Kura indomitable * -yaman iti gzun var *))
                  translated-sharp eyes, so as not to complain)
        3. Ataturk
          +1
          15 May 2012
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          you took part of the temple territory from him there.

          Stop. We didn’t take anything from anyone.
          almost all the oldest Christian churches and monasteries that are located on the territory of today's Azerbaijan, including in Nagorno-Karabakh, are of Albanian origin.
          Caucasian Albania, in addition to a large part of the territory of today's Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh, also included the southeastern part of present Georgia and, since Azerbaijan is the heir to the Albanian culture, David Gareji belongs to him.


          WHY EVERYBODY REMEMBER EVERYTHING AFTER THE DECLINE OF THE USSR? WHAT SHOULD NOT BE SPEAKED BEFORE?
          1. +3
            15 May 2012
            Omar, if I’m not mistaken. Well, why are you so gazanuli. Take away Tbilisi and I will settle for you standing!
            1. Ataturk
              +2
              15 May 2012
              Why do we need Tbilisi? We don’t need someone else’s. We wouldn’t touch our league.
          2. Yarbay
            +4
            15 May 2012
            Previously, who said a lot of stupid things knew that a guaranteed warm summer would be met in cold Magadan))
            1. +2
              15 May 2012
              Alibek, no one will send you to Magadan, do not be afraid to write what you want. Baku salute
              1. Yarbay
                +5
                15 May 2012
                Alexander!


                WHY EVERYBODY REMEMBER EVERYTHING AFTER THE DECLINE OF THE USSR? WHAT SHOULD NOT BE SPEAKED BEFORE?
                I answered the question of Omar!))

                I'm not afraid to write!
                1. +1
                  15 May 2012
                  Do not worry Alibek, I joked
  • +1
    15 May 2012
    Mishiko’s second term will not pull or cringe or snuff. And as for the pro-Russian president, I personally doubt that the amers bite into the bone, they just won't let me out. We should also stir up some tangerine revolution in Georgia.
  • DERWISH
    0
    15 May 2012
    AT ALL, I HAVE FRIENDS OF GEORGIA A VERY ADEQUATE PEOPLE AND THEY DO NOT SUPPORT THE SAAKASHVIL MODE AT ALL Yes
    1. Vito
      0
      15 May 2012
      DERWISH, Greetings. Yes, I also had to communicate with them, normal, friendly men. It is NECESSARY to separate cutlets from flies, I completely agree with you!
      Quote: DERWISH
      AT ALL, I HAVE FRIENDS OF GEORGIA A VERY ADEQUATE PEOPLE AND THEY DO NOT SUPPORT THE SAAKASHVIL MODE AT ALL
    2. Yarbay
      +3
      15 May 2012
      If supported would be inadequate ??? And believe me, not everyone tells you what they think!
  • -1
    15 May 2012
    [quotAs you know, the powers of President Saakashvili expire in January next year [/ quote] Well, if so, then we will wait again in the summer, especially the Olympics on the nose. When is the opening of the olympiad? It is not in vain that Saakoshvili is preparing again. When he opened some kind of road in Georgia, he directly said that now (after the opening of the road) both hands would be freed for us to return our territories. (I do not literally remember, but that’s the point). Although I don’t know the Americans, Georgia is needed for the war with Iran (well, there are airfields and all that). After all, ours told Saakoshvili that if he does not want the Russian paratrooper to stick a flag in his residence, then let him sit quietly.
    There is even a prophecy that we will once again fight with Georgia.
  • Kamilla
    +2
    15 May 2012
    I don’t think that Saakashvili will take any military action ... this time the West will not be on his side ..
  • ANTURAG
    +1
    15 May 2012
    It would be better if he shot himself. After all, the paranoid himself was exhausted, and his people were exhausted.
  • +1
    15 May 2012
    You need him as Dudaev, with one rocket and that’s all! and a tie chewed to the museum!
  • +2
    15 May 2012
    One thing is a pity, people both ours and Georgians will die again. And all because of the whims of Uncle Sam
  • +3
    15 May 2012
    The feeling that Miho still begs cuffs does not leave.
    Give Operation Peace Dove 2 angry
  • +1
    15 May 2012
    It is necessary for Abkhazians and Ossetians to distribute weapons and prepare the war for the local population themselves well. Who knows, what if they and the NATO members will think over a competent operation and be able to occupy Ossetia (Abkhazia) in a day? Of course, I understand that our troops are stronger, but damn, who knows? Will there be our thousands of 5, and they will still be hired by mercenaries from Libya, will recruit troops of thousands of 50, and before the start of the attack, mass attacks / sabotage will be arranged? There is no way to do without competently fighting local people, they will be able to tie the aggressor in battle, and there ours will catch up. Who thinks about this? The enemy can turn out to be far from loshara and prepare very well, much better than in 2008?
    1. Yarbay
      +6
      15 May 2012
      20 years were to prepare, but why now ??
      I think very soon if this goes on, I mean corruption and lawlessness, soon these territories will become for Russia like a suitcase without a handle !!
      By some signs, they have already become such!
    2. +2
      15 May 2012
      Yes, definitely there will be no war. As Alexander correctly said above, Sahaki has a sense of self-preservation and he understands perfectly that they will trample him like a cockroach. An unhealthy political scuffle will now begin there. And most of all, it worries that it will be held between 2 pronatovskie candidates most likely and as a result, nothing will change for the better.
    3. candy bar140105
      +1
      16 May 2012
      Dear, you speak and reason correctly, I will only add. Ossetians and Abkhaz, this is the kind of people who, by and large, do not need to learn to fight, you just need to give a good weapon and more. They have no special discipline and their drill training is "lame", but fighting is in their blood, they are descendants of the Scythian-Sarmatian, Alanian tribes, and this speaks volumes ..
      1. Yarbay
        +3
        16 May 2012
        Well, it started again !!
        Please do not be offended, but say funny things!
        Ossetians and Abkhazians are generally terminators and if it weren’t for Russians, they would have reached the Indian Ocean !!
        also the Armenians stayed there, too, all Napoleons!

        you have to be a little more serious!
        Without the help of Russia, we would now be friends with the Georgians and curse the instigators !!
        If it weren’t for the Russian soldier, you would have been smashed to pieces!
  • Ataturk
    +3
    15 May 2012
    I read the posts of many, I decided to leave my penny.
    But before concluding my post, please read my post very carefully.

    1. Open tantrums of Saakashvili, I do not like.
    2. Everywhere where it is possible to harass Russia, he does it, this is also not right.
    Since he forgot that we all once lived together. They shared food, fought together during World War II, on Afghanistan and so on.
    3. The fact that he allowed the Caucasians to enter Georgia without a visa is also not a beautiful thing. I do not support.
    4. Attack on Russian peacekeepers, I consider it a big mistake. You could do it humanly. They didn’t come to fight there, but to observe peace.
    5. He put his women on the post of minister, well, how to say, young strength is good, but the fact that they are from the personnel is not good. Former guest performers in power.
    6. Saakashvili, in order to please the West, sends his soldiers now to Iraq and then to Afghanistan, and now he has flung himself at Iran. The idiocy of course. The fly decided to run into an elephant.

    These are all the cons ... but now about the pros. Please read carefully and not invoke personal hostility.

    1. Saakashvili removed corruption in the country. If they take bribes there, then I don’t know who it can be. There is no corruption among the commoner. Among the police. It is very good.
    2. All thieves, crime, who could be imprisoned, he planted. It's also good. Another lesson will be. For these reasons, the following follows.
    3. The car can be left open and gone on business, no one will do anything. Fine.
    4. He adorned the city, built a lot of things, also good.
    5. The police work for the good of the people. They don’t take money, they can plant it for all the best. Even for 1 stolen can, beer will be planted for 8 years. This is all good. We would be so.
    6. Now the main topic. Abkhazia and Ossetia. It really hurts this topic for the living takes me.

    I don't care who and what and how, but I know one thing. For the past 100 years, they have been part of Georgia. Traitors are those who decide to secede. Those who decided to undermine the sovereignty of the country. Will you like your friends if someone in Russia stands up and says, we don’t want to live as part of Russia, we want to separate. And Georgia still recognizes their independence.

    I think you yourself know that you think about them. I assure you my dear, there is a similar story. That’s ours Karabakh, everyone lived, suddenly urine hit, give independence. These are traitors guys. These are those who do not love their homeland. Without respecting others, it is difficult to earn respect for yourself. Imagine if the whole world, every nation wants independence, what kind of horror will happen? The same horror was created in Georgia.

    Guys, I ask you, because of Saakashvili alone, do not think that all Georgians are bad. They love Russia. They respect Russians. Believe in much more than others.

    I myself said 10000 times that Russia should not maintain its influence in this way. Traitors both betrayed their countries and their masters will betray at an opportunity.

    What I said is what happened. I can bring examples. If anyone doubts. As traitors, they began to betray those who feed them.

    I can show their forums what they write, how they scold, and much more. You will be disappointed friends.

    With best regards.
    1. Yarbay
      +2
      15 May 2012
      Omar agrees!
      Moreover, Ossetians are newcomers to these territories!
      "The lack of land was the reason that some of the Ossetians moved to the southern slope of the Main Range and voluntarily gave themselves up to the bondage of Georgian landowners. Having occupied the gorges of the Big and Small Liakhvi, Rekhula, Ksani and its tributaries, the Ossetians became serfs of the princes Eristavovs and Machabelovs. These settlers constitute the population of the so-called South Ossetians, and, in turn, are also divided into many societies named after the gorges inhabited by them. Thus, they are divided into Ksan, Liakhv, Gudushaur, Magrandvalet, Jamur and others. Many Ossetians settled in Mtiuletsky and Khevsky gorges "(N. Dubrovin; History of War and Russian Dominion in the Caucasus, vol. 1, p. 187, St. Petersburg, 1871).
      1. candy bar140105
        +1
        16 May 2012
        Lord, where do you find such crap ?? Saying that Ossetians are newcomers is incomprehensible to the mind !!!! Read the story, before you bring nonsense to the masses, yet the site reads a lot of people !! Alans lived on these lands for hundreds of years, and Ossetians are their direct descendants.
        Although, in principle, I am not surprised that the representative of Azerbaijan is blocking the Georgians, you now have love ...
        1. Yarbay
          +3
          16 May 2012
          Dear, it's not me !!
          This academician Dubrovin says !!
          I'm not blocking anyone, I'm writing my opinion!
          You do not like it!
          I understand you!!
          Claims to Academician Dubrovin!
          there is a link to the book!
          And I have the same attitude towards Georgians and Ossetians and Abkhazians and all the others!
    2. Kamilla
      +2
      15 May 2012
      Quote: Ataturk
      For the past 100 years, they have been part of Georgia. Traitors are those who decide to secede. Those who decided to undermine the sovereignty of the country.


      Ossetians and Abkhazians simply took advantage of the fact that the authorities were so inadequate .. there would be a smart politician, would have good relations with Russia, they would not require separation .. as well as with Karabakh, the Armenians took advantage of the situation, the unstable situation, and our then the weak power in the republic ... would be, Heydar Aliyev, then the leader of the republic ... that would not happen .. and they were afraid and respected by everyone.
      1. -1
        15 May 2012
        Such an inadequate has built a more democratic state than adequate Aliyev. What is it inadequate in that he told Russia in person what our leadership is afraid to say?
        1. Yarbay
          +3
          16 May 2012
          Well, we saw his courage when the plane flew in Russia and he was already facing the asphalt!
          You see, it’s not enough to say that you are brave and tease the strong!
          We must be able to hold the punch and answer!
          And not knowing how it is worthless to empty words!
          I met a lot of people like you!
          People like you are constantly dissatisfied with the government, and having received it lead people to disaster!
          1. SAMEDOV SULEYMAN
            -2
            16 May 2012
            Quote: Yarbay
            People like you are constantly dissatisfied with the government, and having received it lead people to disaster!

            Hello Alibek! Every time such people should be reminded of the "People's Front of Azerbaijan" - how they almost drowned the republic!
            1. Yarbay
              +2
              16 May 2012
              Hello dear Suleiman!
              You and I probably remember those days!
              In the most difficult days of these people no one could find!
              They are ready to sacrifice people, but they are not ready to sacrifice with themselves and their interests!
              When it was necessary not to talk and act, these people could not be found!
              I respect Heydar Aliyev infinitely, at least for his personal courage, which others did not have!
            2. +4
              16 May 2012
              I am not a supporter of those who talk, but really do nothing !! Words and deeds should go together. Our soldiers are dying in military units shooting at each other !!! And Mr. Abiyev is still sitting in his chair !! For this I should respect the authorities ?? Or for the fact that my people lowered to the bottom ??
              Whenever I say something, I stand with my words.
          2. +3
            16 May 2012
            It’s necessary to call a spade a spade. Not the Armenians chopped off Karabakh from us, but Russia !! And thanks to Russia we can’t get it back! If you don’t say something, do it in actions. What does it mean that I’m constantly dissatisfied ??? Heidar Aliyev I was pleased he showed his skill in affairs. Yes, when he spoke in the government, the ministers were shaking it was visible in the face. And the youngest when speaking to the ministers at all poher. There is no fear in their eyes nor a sense of respect for him. He completely ruined the MNS system (an analogue of the FSB) and successes with Iran’s spies are intelligence from Mossad and MIT (Turkish FSB), and I know firsthand how well they teach at the MNS Academy and whom they release their children there !!! And the MNS is the basis of state security.
          3. nemesis 13
            -1
            12 2012 June
            AND SUCH AS YOU ARE SATISFIED WITH ALIYEV'S AUTHORITIES
            BECAUSE YOU WORK FOR NSA
            OMAR KAMILA YARBAY SAMEDOV
    3. +7
      15 May 2012
      Quote: Ataturk
      but now about the pros.


      All the first pluses are about the same thing, but this is a lot considering our corruption, all Georgian thieves in law have moved to Russia, and that says something. Here it is solid.

      Now about the Abkhazians, the Principality of Abkhazia in 1810 was annexed to Russia. But do not mind Georgia

      Now about it, Georgia- First occupation on May 26, 1918. The Democratic Republic of Georgia, with direct military support from imperial Germany, occupied the territory of Abkhazia. The Government of the Mountain Republic expressed a sharp protest to the German Government and Georgia and regarded these actions as an act of aggression against Abkhazia

      In 1931 — Abkhazia became an autonomous republic (the Abkhaz ASSR) as part of the Georgian SSR, which was part of the ZSFSR. I think it’s clear why there’s no need to explain

      In 1990, Abkhazia was proclaimed the sovereign Abkhazian Soviet Socialist Republic

      So who is the traitor? Maybe, after all, it’s not the people but the one who set the example of the collapse of the USSR ?, so all who separated from the USSR can be called traitors

      Best regards
      1. Vito
        +1
        15 May 2012
        Vadivak, Greetings. Not strong in the history of the Caucasian republics, BUT if this is so, then your arguments are beaten on the spot, knockout! I apologize for the boxing terminology, but you won’t say more precisely!
        Quote: Vadivak
        So who is the traitor? Maybe, after all, it’s not the people but the one who set the example of the collapse of the USSR ?, so all who separated from the USSR can be called traitors
        1. +3
          15 May 2012
          Quote: Vito
          for boxing terminology


          Yes, in my opinion I’m not the only one to think so ....
    4. +4
      15 May 2012
      6. Now the main topic. Abkhazia and Ossetia. It really hurts this topic for the living takes me.

      I don't care who and what and how, but I know one thing. For the past 100 years, they have been part of Georgia. Traitors are those who decide to secede. Those who decided to undermine the sovereignty of the country.

      By analogy, for the last 250 years, Georgia was part of the Russian Empire and the USSR. "Traitors are those who decided to secede. Those who decided to undermine the country's sovereignty."
      1. Yarbay
        +4
        15 May 2012
        Gennady!
        So, in my opinion, the claim to Yeltsin to Gorbachev and the three other Presidents!
        Georgia was not in Pushcha!
        1. +1
          15 May 2012
          Alibek!
          Georgia, de facto, began to secede from the USSR in 1989.
          Here claims to Gorbachev.
    5. +4
      15 May 2012
      With all due respect, Ataturk are you talking about? Who is going to separate from us? No need to compare God's gift with fried eggs. All territories existing as part of Russia were joined either as a result of the war, or as a result of the wishes of these peoples. How incidentally are these Abkhazia and Ossetia. But Georgia didn’t strike a finger to join them. Thank you very much to Juga. And here it is interesting. Georgia did nothing for this, but decided that it was her? Why all of a sudden? Is it just that one Georgian decided like this? And if he had also foolishly included the Krasnodar Territory then in the Georgian SSR?
      I will honestly tell you, The reason for all nat. Conflicts in the territory of the former USSR lie on the shoulders of the CPSU. So divide the country, so awaken (here both Abkhazia and Ossetia and the Crimea and Karabakh and Transnistria, etc.) and if everyone now clever about the territories then what will happen? I believe that this issue is very complex, but solvable. Specifically, in the case of Georgia, it is necessary to recognize the historical independence of these territories and calm down. In the end, the Abkhazians and Ossetians are not to blame for the fact that some made them Georgians without asking.
      1. Yarbay
        +4
        15 May 2012
        Then please tell me why Russia recognized Georgia with its territory (Abkhazia and Ossetia) ?? I wrote about Ossetians. Read Dubrovin
        Not seriously!
        1. 0
          15 May 2012
          Nobody says that modern Russia has not made mistakes. Yeltsin missed that too and gave up Crimea, although I’m sure I would have said “No” and all this would have remained within Russia.
          1. Yarbay
            +2
            15 May 2012
            so these are just mistakes ??
            So much blood, just mistakes ??
            1. candy bar140105
              +2
              16 May 2012
              Yes, yes EBN was still that m-duck, you still do not forget about Chechnya ..
    6. sergskak
      +2
      15 May 2012
      Ataturk,
      If Georgians love Russia so dearly, let them explain to the mothers, fathers, beloved wives and children of the killed peacekeepers and civilians how they allowed it. Or maybe for their kind words on the forums to forget and write everything off? I don’t see any real steps from the Georgians to improve relations between us except empty talk. Yes and a change of president will not work. Peace, friendship, chewing gum will not come overnight. For example, I don’t give a damn about what he’s set up for himself. The only positive thing is that he’s already predictable for us. his plans are written on the face. Another representative of the State Department will come, and he will come (money would have swelled a lot in Georgia), it will be more difficult, especially if he is smart and cunning.
      1. Yarbay
        0
        15 May 2012
        And from the point of view of the Georgians there was nothing for the peacekeepers to do!
        they have long sought the withdrawal of peacekeepers!
        And you must admit they often caught them on the transfer of weapons to Ossetians !!
        The point is that for a long time both countries and Russia and Georgia did everything to make relations worse!
        I remember during the war between Georgians and Abkhazians that dislike of high-ranking Russian military men for Shevarnadze!
        I remember the words of one of them, this n ... t will answer for Germany!
        All Georgians only answered!
        everything again closed on Gorbachev Yeltsin and Shevarnadze!
        For those who ruined the USSR
      2. Ataturk
        +2
        15 May 2012
        Quote: sergskak
        Or maybe for their kind words on the forums to forget and write everything off?

        If you are so worried about words, why not read the words of your close allies? I mean about Armenia.

        READ ARMENIAN FORUMS MY FRIEND. Traitors are traitors. Having betrayed us, they will betray you. This is a proved theorem.

        Your country, Russia, the Armenians call SRASHA, and see for yourself the rest. I just don’t want to expose everything. Follow the link yourself and read.





        1. sergskak
          0
          15 May 2012
          Quote: Ataturk
          If you are so worried about words, why not read the words of your close allies?

          The fact of the matter is that I’m absolutely not worried. In my opinion, this can be seen from my comment. I’m only interested in the real actions on their part, and not what they write. And at the expense of close allies, no one can be called that now.
          1. Yarbay
            +3
            15 May 2012
            So I about that they closed Russian schools, drove out Russian !!
            what is their difference ??
          2. Ataturk
            +1
            15 May 2012
            Quote: sergskak
            I'm only interested in real actions on their part, and not what they write.


            respected.
            I do not hug as a friend, with those who call me a pig and Azerbaijan Azerbot or something else. For me, both words and actions are important.
            The real situation there is that, if the opportunity arises, they will make the Krasnodar Territory Armenian. I wrote about this, many experts predicted this. They change the inscriptions, they create fake cross-stones. This respected Camila will tell. Everything is detailed.

            For me, friendship or conscience and honor, or they are not my friends.
        2. nemesis 13
          -1
          14 2012 June
          ETO Azertrian Trolls
          ARMENIANS BETWEEN MYSELF AND SPEAK ONLY IN ARMENIAN
    7. +1
      15 May 2012
      Everything is true, but for the last 100 years there was no state of Georgia, there was the Russian Empire and the USSR, where everyone entered. It was not the Abkhazians and Ossetians who did not betray their masters, whom the Georgians had never been. And to put your nipple as a minister - is that not corruption? There is still geopolitics: there is such an impregnable fortress with walls of several thousand meters and whoever has his troops at the top cannot be defeated. It is called the Caucasian ridge. Russia in 2008 climbed to the top of these walls, otherwise Uncle Sam would have climbed into it and placed his radars there.
      1. Yarbay
        -1
        15 May 2012
        Hrych so who ruined the USSR ???

        Russia recognized these territories as part of Georgia!
        it means that it recognized the betrayal of both the Abkhaz and Ossetians in relation to Georgia!
        1. +1
          15 May 2012
          The recognition of their independence was after the recognition of Kosovo, by our sworn partners. Russia, thank God and the R-36M Rocket, has an independent foreign policy.
          1. Yarbay
            +5
            15 May 2012
            My dear, in the year 91 Kosovo has not yet been recognized)))
            and these American dermocrats are not my authority))
            1. +3
              15 May 2012
              South Ossetia and Abkhazia were recognized after the events of 2008, before that in the 91st drunken Yeltsin did not recognize anyone, once even did not recognize Nainu (a joke).
        2. +1
          15 May 2012
          Alibek!
          Let me remind you of the story.
          in 1783, Kartli and Kakheti, the larger of the two Georgian states, signed the St. George Treaty, which received the status of a protectorate of the Russian Empire. September 12, 1801, Alexander I (1801-1825) signed the “Manifesto on the Establishment of a New Government in Georgia”, the Kartli-Kakheti kingdom was part of Russia and became the Georgian province of the empire. Then Baku, Cuban, Dagestan and other kingdoms voluntarily joined. In 1803, Mengrelia and the Imereti kingdom joined.

          Since the end of the 1803th century, the Abkhaz princes sought salvation from Ottoman oppression - and found it in the form of the patronage of Russia. Prince Keleshbey, in 1808 asking for Russian citizenship, was killed in 1809 as a result of a pro-Turkish conspiracy. His son Safarbey (George) in 17 crushed supporters of Turkey and appealed to the Russian government for patronage. The request was granted: on February 29 (1810), XNUMX, the Manifesto of Alexander I on the annexation of the Abkhaz Principality to the Russian Empire came out.

          Since 1989, a movement has emerged in Georgia for secession from the USSR, which is intensified against the backdrop of the expansion of the Georgian-Abkhaz and Georgian-Ossetian conflicts.

          The events of Tbilisi occurred during the Perestroika period against the backdrop of the Georgian-Abkhaz conflict. On March 18, 1989, in the village of Lykhny, the 30th Abkhazian gathering took place, which put forward a proposal for Abkhazia to leave Georgia and restore it to the status of a union republic

          When Georgia announced its withdrawal from the Soviet Union in the spring of 1991, Abkhazia expressed a desire to remain in the USSR


          Well, where is the betrayal of the Abkhazians here?
        3. candy bar140105
          +1
          16 May 2012
          Not Russia recognized, but Yeltsin Shevarnadze and Co. no need to attribute the people ..
    8. Scrooge
      +1
      15 May 2012
      I agree in many respects ... BUT:
      -
      Quote: Ataturk
      All the thieves, crime, who could be imprisoned, he planted. It's also good. Another lesson will be.

      Yeah ... planted or just simply thrown out of the country as unnecessary garbage in the trash?)
      and where threw, do not tell?
      why should neighbors row this stuff? sorry, of course, but we have enough of our shit, and we are forced to clean everything and everyone ...
      when they solve their problems with the wrong hands, this is not gut.
      when ordinary citizens are accustomed to living OUTSIDE the political system, they abstracted from their own power ...
      and do you think this is good?
      1. Ataturk
        +2
        15 May 2012
        Quote: Scrooge
        Yeah ... planted or just simply thrown out of the country as unnecessary garbage in the trash?)


        No, it’s planted. Their prisons are full. I’ll even say more, he did so, some Georgian thief, from Spain was extradited to Georgia. This is 100% infa.

        Quote: Scrooge
        and do you think this is good?

        I agree with you, dear.
        1. Scrooge
          +2
          15 May 2012
          Quote: Ataturk
          Their prisons are full. I’ll even say more, he did so, some Georgian thief, from Spain was extradited to Georgia. This is 100% infa.

          ==============
          I’ll honestly say, fill the prisons to the eyeballs in Moscow, it takes 20 minutes and the FAS authorities team.
          Moreover, I will tell you a military secret) - all these new prisoners will be smeared under the most do not spoil..))
          none of the net inhabitants will be taken.
          Mishiko is a product of the venality of the era and please forgive me for some liberties of speech, the son of his people) ..
          Quote: Ataturk
          he did so, some Georgian thief, from Spain was extradited to Georgia.
          “ONE ALL? Don't believe it — the Spanish authorities just gave him a present)) and not even on my own ... I'm more than sure that they politely asked them to Older brother.
          From the very beginning of his coming to power, or rather will-drive, it was clear whose protégé he was and who benefited from such a coalition of weak states.
          They say: who pays, he also orders the music and dances))) ... this is what we have been observing for years now. The dances accompanied by the banjo ...
    9. lado-6060
      -2
      15 May 2012
      1. what kind of hysteria with oak dreamed wink 2. Where did you read that Misha Hait RF should not be confused with \ BASKETBALL Players \ they are not RUSSIA. 3. INFA is out of date. all citizens. RF silent mode. 4. In my opinion there were 13 peace posts. and only one post was opened fire after Kulakhmetov gave the order to cover the Georgians. the rest of the Georgians passed quietly, no one touched them. and who is responsible for the death of Georgian peace on August 5-6-7. This is to their husbands repeat weakly to the brothers. 5. Afgan Azerbaijan. All in my opinion are also present. nobody is going to spoil their excellent relations with Iran.
      1. Ataturk
        +3
        15 May 2012
        Quote: lado-6060
        1. what kind of hysteria with oak dreamed 2. where did you read that Misha RF hat is not to be confused with \ BASKETBALLERS \ they are not RUSSIA. 3.infa is out of date. all citizens. RF silent mode. 4. In my opinion there were 13 peace posts. and only one post was opened fire after Kulakhmetov gave the order to cover the Georgians. the rest of the Georgians passed quietly, no one touched them. and who is responsible for the death of Georgian peace on August 5-6-7. This is to their husbands repeat weakly to the brothers. 5. Afgan Azerbaijan. All in my opinion are also present. nobody is going to spoil their excellent relations with Iran.



        Sorry, but I didn’t understand you. Please write in Russian.
        1. lado-6060
          0
          15 May 2012
          Ataturk, answers to the first 6 points. and here that competition in Russian smile
          1. candy bar140105
            +3
            16 May 2012
            Yeah, and you "flunked" him)))))))))))
    10. candy bar140105
      +4
      16 May 2012
      the last hundred years, as you say, the Ossetians lived as part of the USSR at the behest of Stalin and Beria. It is just that the pass and 170 km between North and South Ossetia is not the safest road (before it was not there), so South Ossetia was included in the GSSR, then it was easier, the Union was and no one thought about its collapse. And Ossetians as a One people became part of Russia Voluntarily in 1774. The composition of Russia, not Georgia, mind you. and when the Union collapsed, they decided to stay with Russia and not with Georgia, which led to the war. So they just did not betray Russia! So do not write any x - yu, a composer ...
    11. nemesis 13
      -2
      12 2012 June
      Quote: Ataturk
      Traitors are those who decide to secede. Those who decided to undermine the sovereignty of the country

      IF THERE IS NATIONAL CONSCIOUSNESS AND THEY DO NOT WANT TO LIKE OTHER NATIONS, THEY MEAN THE TRADERS??????????????
  • Sniper 1968
    +4
    15 May 2012
    Eh, Mishiko ... Homeland requires Heroes, p .. yes gives birth to cancer ... No.
    1. Yarbay
      +7
      15 May 2012
      Hi Sergey!
      these are my commander’s favorite words))))))))

      only he said the country needs heroes))
      1. Sniper 1968
        +2
        15 May 2012
        Greetings, old man!
        Quote: Yarbay
        these are my commander’s favorite words))))))))

        You won’t believe it! These are the words of my company. lol good drinks
  • 0
    15 May 2012
    Quote: Middle Brother
    And as for the pro-Russian president, I personally doubt that the amers bite into the bone, they just won't let me out. We should also stir up some tangerine revolution in Georgia.

    Where did you see tangerines request Here I understand carrot or radish good
  • +3
    15 May 2012
    by song

    I was looking for a map of Georgia
    and found in america-easy
    if I met, I would tell him
    - this is where your home is, Mishiko
    1. +2
      15 May 2012
      Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
      by song


      Sung on a Suliko motive, five points
  • Sergey411
    +2
    15 May 2012
    Last week, a colleague returned from a tourist trip, wild guess which country? We went savages in three cars. With kids. Before the trip, the whole company asked again and twisted a finger at the temple.
    The most positive impressions - the people - more friendly people can not be imagined. One was asked how to get to which point - he answered where you were looking at night and invited everyone to his place for the night. I would like in my area to a stranger to knock on the house. Children Georgian schoolchildren in Russian do not say a word. Only Helou and so on.
    1. +2
      15 May 2012
      Georgian, Baltic and even Ukrainian children, not knowing the Russian language, are depriving themselves of the prospects of science and education, the world center of which, no matter how cool Russia is, and the Sarbonne, Iel and Cambridge did not open the doors for them. The general intellectual level of these countries will soon be corkscrew down, and we do not care.
      1. Yarbay
        +5
        15 May 2012
        but I’m interested. Do you know that in Armenia there is not one Russian school!
        What is the majority of the population of Armenia sharply opposed the Russian language ??
        1. +3
          15 May 2012
          They have a big head, they themselves know what to do. Do not love, you, their very Yarbay, I already understood.
          1. Yarbay
            +4
            15 May 2012
            So big ??))
            http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?showtopic=43272
            1. +1
              15 May 2012
              What is Karvachar, not Karabakh in Armenian?
              1. Yarbay
                +5
                15 May 2012
                they call Kalbejar the occupation by them!
              2. Kamilla
                +4
                15 May 2012
                Quote: hrych
                What is Karvachar, not Karabakh in Armenian?


                this is the Kelbajar region of Azerbaijan .. one of the seven regions occupied by the Armenians .... the Armenians remake the Azerbaijani names of the localities, in their own way ((((
                1. Ataturk
                  +2
                  15 May 2012
                  Kama Khanum, if it’s not difficult for you, please tell me when one of the employees of the Presidential Administration was in Armenia, he saw a cross-stone. In what area and how they make it ancient. Please tell us more.

                  Thank you in advance.
                  1. Kamilla
                    +2
                    15 May 2012
                    yes, please ... one friend, a refugee from armenia, having been there in 1998, at some kind of conference (flew through Moscow, they were given security), described that from Masis to Yerevan, the whole road was paved with ancient Armenian khachkars, ( this is such a stone, a cross is carved on it), which was not there before ... when he lived there ... he is from the same area ... so, he found out how the Armenians turn these modern stones into ancient ones - they make apples such a mass, then it is smeared on the stone, and the stone begins to oxidize and turns green, which gives it the appearance of an ancient stone ... of course, experts will instantly understand what is going on if they start to study ... but who will come to Armenia , study, and so on ... and the layman buys into this "antiquity", the so-called, this is how the Armenians have been making a fool, for how many centuries, the whole world ...
                    1. Ataturk
                      +2
                      15 May 2012
                      Thank you for your post Camila Khanum.
                    2. nemesis 13
                      -3
                      12 2012 June
                      Quote: Kamilla
                      they make such a mass of apples, then it is smeared on the stone, and the stone begins to oxidize, and turns green, which gives it the appearance of an ancient stone ..


                      Well, you and clown dreamers. wassat funny to tears
          2. Ataturk
            +4
            15 May 2012
            Quote: hrych
            Do not love, you, their very Yarbay, I already understood.


            I said a thousand times here. That betraying Turkey and Azerbaijan, they will betray you. It's a question of time. A convenient case is needed. I told you that they and the Krasnodar Territory want? Did not believe? So read what they write.



            You see, grunt ... my mother taught me wisdom alone.
            Suppose you I and Yarbai are all friends. If I come and tell you that YARVAY is a bastard, then be sure that I tell him that you are a bastard. This is a proven theory. Believe me.
            1. +5
              15 May 2012
              Ataturk, I certainly adhere to the well-known saying that Russia has friends - the army and navy with the addition of the Air Force and Strategic Missile Forces. That some terribly cunning people I understand very well, but, as now, can you imagine solving the Karabakh problem without bloodshed? Russia, in contrast to Georgia, recognizes the integrity of Turan.
              1. Ataturk
                +1
                15 May 2012
                Quote: hrych
                Ataturk, I certainly adhere to the well-known saying that Russia has friends - the army and navy with the addition of the Air Force and Strategic Missile Forces.

                You plus

                Quote: hrych
                That some terribly cunning I understand very well, but, as of now,

                This is the second plus for you.

                For me the main thing, the most important thing is the fair views of our Russian friends and Russia.

                For the same reason, knowing this, the Russian government is selling weapons to us.

                Quote: hrych
                how now, you imagine to solve the Karabakh problem without bloodshed?

                We decide peacefully. Until a certain point. I hope the fruits will be. The population is flowing, the economy is falling apart. Q.E.D. And then a matter of time.

                Quote: hrych
                Russia, in contrast to Georgia, recognizes the integrity of Turan.

                My dear, forget you Turan at all. Now there are Azerbaijan and Russia. No Turan Shmuran.
                1. +2
                  15 May 2012
                  I believed that Turan is an ancient name, like Russia-Russia, forgive me, if not, I blurted it out.
                  1. Ataturk
                    -1
                    15 May 2012
                    Quote: hrych
                    I believed that Turan is an ancient name, like Russia-Russia, forgive me, if not, I blurted it out.

                    Grunt, we must live in the present and near past. What was then passed. Then there were other thoughts and goals and views. Now we live in a civilized world. His own country, his parliament, his views, his enemies.
                    If I think about Turan and its territories, I will not differ in any way from the Armenians as they think of great Armenia .... imagine what will happen if everyone remembers their past?
              2. nemesis 13
                -1
                12 2012 June
                Quote: hrych
                Russia so unlike Georgia recognizes the integrity of Turan

                Turan UTB against Russian interests
            2. sergskak
              +1
              15 May 2012
              Ataturk,
              Yes, all around are traitors, and candidates for allies only when they close (Kazakhstan wants to believe the exception). Even the war is more honest relations between the countries.
              1. Ataturk
                +1
                15 May 2012
                Quote: sergskak
                Yes, all around are traitors, and candidates for allies only when they lock

                Dear, look at your fingers. They are not the same size and all people and countries and their views are not the same. Believe me.

                I am confident in the person of Azerbaijan, you will find a great ally. The main thing is that they do not throw stones at each other in the garden. and so we have great potential for friendship and union.
                1. +1
                  15 May 2012
                  I have a question for you, how does the Lachinsky corridor exist and how can it be held militarily?
                  1. Ataturk
                    0
                    15 May 2012
                    Quote: hrych
                    I have a question for you, how does the Lachinsky corridor exist?


                    No corridor will be given to them. NEVER.
                    If they ask for a corridor, then we agree, if they give us a corridor in Nakhchivan on their territory.
                    There will be no 2nd Armenian state on the territory of Azerbaijan!
                    They want to live in autonomy, well, we’ll discuss it, but not a piece of land.
                    1. 0
                      15 May 2012
                      The Armenian state will most likely be on the territory of Russia. For skeptics, visit the Krasnodar Territory, especially the city of Armavir. Cars drive around with Armenian flags, an Armenian TV channel, And conversations among the population are far from optimistic. It all started with the Karabakh refugees. I don’t know which of them fought with Azerbaijan, because everyone came to the Kuban. They immediately started demanding housing, started riots. This was still under Gorbat. And people came, all well-off. They offered a lot of money for apartments and houses. And they didn’t give a damn it's all. It's a time bomb. And about the friendship of peoples. If people want to live together, they live together, and if not, then no. Nobody will.
                      1. Ataturk
                        0
                        15 May 2012
                        Thanks for your post. I have read more than once, the Armenian forums where they laid eyes on the Krasnodar Territory, including Abkhazia. I am already silent about Javakheti. Your post, alas, is not news to me, and for some reason I am not surprised, but in any case, thanks for your post and plus for you.

                        They vehemently began to hate Russia, for 2 things.
                        1. For the fact that Russia did not write off their debts and in return took away factories and other types of infrastructure in return.
                        2. For selling weapons to Azerbaijan.

                        There are other reasons, not sufficient pressure on Azerbaijan from Russia. I really hope to strengthen our relations. And my forecast is that Armenia will leave the CSTO and will vehemently ask for NATO and the American missile defense system will be there. This is my prediction.

                        I do not exclude the possibility of a repeat of the Moscow terrorist attack in the metro by radical Armenians.
                    2. nemesis 13
                      -1
                      14 2012 June
                      Quote: Ataturk
                      No corridor will be given to them. NEVER.
                      If they ask for a corridor, then we agree, if they give us a corridor in Nakhchivan on their territory.
                      There will be no 2nd Armenian state on the territory of Azerbaijan!
                      They want to live in autonomy, well, we’ll discuss it, but not a piece of land.


                      GO FROM THE CLOUDS turrrkkkk, open your eyes wassat
                2. sergskak
                  0
                  15 May 2012
                  Ataturk,
                  I agree, but who's stopping? Only friendship should be sincere and not against someone. This is for starters. Friendship should be primarily between people, and not between the tops in words. They sometimes change and in which direction one god knows for sure.
                  1. Ataturk
                    0
                    15 May 2012
                    Quote: sergskak
                    Ataturk,
                    I agree, but who's stopping? Only friendship should be sincere and not against someone. This is for starters. Friendship should be primarily between people, and not between the tops in words. They sometimes change and in which direction one god knows for sure.

                    I am completely FOR, plus to you. Only you forgot to mention one more detail. Friendship should not be one-sided. Although my faith teaches me not to expect good from someone to whom I will do good, but still, I can forgive once or twice, but the third time this is not friendship but use.

                    If you want to discuss exactly this issue in detail, I am ready.
                3. nemesis 13
                  -1
                  14 2012 June
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  I am confident in the person of Azerbaijan, you will find a great ally. The main thing is that they do not throw stones at each other in the garden. and so we have great potential for friendship and union.


                  you showed your face when you received and treated terrorists, and they are free to walk in Baku

                  all energy. projects make a detour of Russia and then you want to talk about friendship.
                  1. nemesis 13
                    0
                    14 2012 June
                    WELL THAT TURKKK FROM THE TRUTH IS NOT SECURE
                    NOTHING ANSWERED CONS TO MAKE ME ON THE DRUM wassat
                    turrrrrrrrrrrrkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk angry
            3. +3
              15 May 2012
              Ataturk betraying Turkey and Azerbaijan, they will betray you ,

              And who did not betray us? Perhaps only Cuba
              1. Ataturk
                0
                15 May 2012
                Quote: Vadivak
                And who did not betray us? Perhaps only Cuba


                Sorry, but I don’t know what to answer. :(
              2. Yarbay
                +1
                15 May 2012
                while Gorbachev and Yeltsin and Cuba betrayed !!
                1. +6
                  15 May 2012
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Gorbachev and Yeltsin and Cuba betrayed !!


                  They betrayed us all
                  1. Yarbay
                    +2
                    15 May 2012
                    So am I about that!
                    Vadim first betrayed us, then you and off we go !!
              3. Ataturk
                -1
                15 May 2012
                Quote: Vadivak

                And who did not betray us? Perhaps only Cuba


                I thought about your question for a long time, only now I have an answer. You did not choose the right allies. By betrayal, by killing children and women, such a country and such a people cannot be a real ally.
                1. candy bar140105
                  +1
                  16 May 2012
                  And you’re direct allies, you know what, do you have Turkey?
                2. nemesis 13
                  +1
                  12 2012 June
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  You did not choose the right allies

                  maybe the Kremlin you’ll go, you’ll teach politicians laughing
          3. candy bar140105
            +1
            16 May 2012
            Or maybe they want to seem good against their background ... unfortunately ...
  • +8
    15 May 2012
    Why are Georgians a brotherly people? When did they become? I would say that Georgians are an ungrateful people. Once we saved them from the Turks, and they themselves asked to include Georgia in the Russian Empire .. It’s not right for that at the beginning of the 21st century to tell our children in schools about the centuries of "Russian occupation". At the beginning of the 20th century, the British ambassador said about the Georgians that they are the most aggressive and militarized people in the Caucasus. After all, they have tried more than once or twice to seize both Ossetia and Abkhazia. Monuments to those killed in the Second World War are being demolished, and Russia and Russians are constantly vilified from all media. What brothers? Georgians cross all sorts of borders. And it's not just Saakashvili. The folk are a little watery. If the population does not agree with all this, then they need their leaders. And here it was rightly said that the Ossetians and Russian peacekeepers were fired not by some mercenaries from Cambodia, but by ordinary Georgian soldiers. So don't la-la. Once again, Georgia must come to the zvizdets. Will move out to create Georgian Autonomous Region
  • +1
    15 May 2012
    Quote: Ataturk
    3. The fact that he allowed the Caucasians to enter Georgia without a visa is also not a beautiful thing. I do not support. 4. Attack on Russian peacekeepers, I consider it a big mistake. You could do it humanly.

    According to the third point in Georgia, with the tacit permission of the authorities, the terrorists, as you called them "Caucasians", healed their wounds, rested and delivered weapons to Chechnya, and you consider it an ugly act ??? On 4p. A "ERROR" attack on peacekeepers. THEN I DO NOT HAVE TO TALK TO YOU P \ S This alone is enough for all the merits to go to hell and to judge him.
  • Ussuriets
    +1
    15 May 2012
    Ordinary Georgians need to accept the fact that the Republic of Abkhazia and South Ossetia will never become their territories. And by the way, I doubt that relations between Russia and Georgia will improve in the coming years. Even if they replace Saakashvili.
  • 0
    15 May 2012
    To start a military conflict, initially knowing what you get by the cap, is this not a sign of insanity and mental disorder. But in his case, this is the only thing that can help to maintain power. The question is different, but the army will want to fight, initially knowing that it will lose.
  • scrack
    0
    15 May 2012
    Recently Galstukoed boasted Georgian-made guns
  • patriot2
    0
    15 May 2012
    One thing is surprising - half of Georgians live in Russia and earn money here, and not small ones. Why are they happy with this state of affairs in their homeland? Indeed, nothing good will end for Georgia if Saakashvili and K. continue to rule it. bully
  • biglow
    +1
    15 May 2012
    Mishiko is unlikely to risk directly attacking Russia, the result will be too obvious, most likely he will try to somehow bring peacekeepers from Europe to the country and then put them under fire of Russian troops. Any direct actions against Russia will turn Georgia into a mountain of rubble and Misha will run broadcast on a tack so that others would not have time to suspend it for well-known bodies
  • Artur09-75
    +1
    15 May 2012
    Judging by the photograph, Mishiko switched from ties to socks. "Progress" on the face. lol
  • vlaval1
    -5
    15 May 2012
    Dead desert - neither the end nor the edge.
    A common shrine is raw mother earth.
    Swamps and swamps, steppes and thickets,
    The temples are gilded, and around - the slums,
    A blizzard howls, drives snow in a circle ...
    A short chain mail on the back of a friend!
    Wilderness yes bueraki, theft and fights,
    Yes dumb enemies in the evening in the barn.

    Again with a prayer for a miracle straight into the mud.
    Each Judah has a personal aspen!
    To each idol we light candles
    Yes, we threaten the world to get up from the cold stove:
    Let’s raise the banner, let’s get through the fighting,
    Those who are not with us, rot in the fetid pit!
    We trample the road to your doorstep,
    Let us not keep up, but we are many.

    Our ardor cannot be tempered, we rush into battle bravely
    The main thing is to believe, but no matter what.
    We don’t count corpses, we’re not afraid of revenge,
    Nothing stupid, the main thing is that together!
    To drink - until you drop, face in the mud in a big way,
    There is no slad with us, in catching up with fear!
    Everything is ruined, before the images
    We pour out souls with drunk tears.

    We are seen in the same fashion, grown up without nannies,
    A whip to us is more expensive than an overseas order.
    We saw their sweets in a coffin!
    We will live and far in the cage, like our ancestors.
    We all change - like a saddle to a cow,
    Knee-deep, but blood-thirsty.
    A blizzard howls, a cold rages
    Nothing tight - it could be worse.

    In such a frost, to hell all decency!
    We believe in greatness head over heels in manure.
    Who will torture whom at the logging?
    Nothing teaches us, we spat at all.
    Any disgusting person can flurry us
    There is goodness and holiness in us! Those who argue - hang!
    A poor shack freezes under a snowdrift
    A blizzard howls like a widow over a coffin ...
    1995 Moscow
    1. +1
      15 May 2012
      Valera, who are you talking to now?
    2. +1
      15 May 2012
      Valera, among you most are all poets. among poets, you obviously.
      1. vlaval1
        -1
        15 May 2012
        Yuri Nesterenko, he is a poet among you, and who are you - ???? in my comment you answered him laughing laughing laughing
  • +2
    15 May 2012
    nuuuu mladci ribiataaaaa
    prapagandicheskaia statiaa. va pervix
    [quote = vorobey] About 2 million people left Georgia and the remainder of 3,5 million looks quite eloquent. [/ quote]
    eta chuj, 4,7 mln nas, i eta patverdzil patriax v sia gruzii Ilia Vtaroi


    [quote] Georgia ranks second in the world in military spending ... A small Transcaucasian country spends 8% of its GDP on armaments. And this money is spent purposefully on the army. For which such expenditures are in a region where there are practically no claims on territorial and other issues between neighboring states.
    / Quote]
    nu gde etu infu on vzial vabshe ?? do 2008 gadu biudjet armii bila 1,5 mlrd a sichas 800 milion umnik

    [quote] At present, the American anti-tank systems (interesting against whose tanks?) Javelin and aircraft Hellfire-2, Patriot-3 air defense systems have entered the arsenal of the Georgian army
    and Stinger, Bulgarian multiple launch rocket systems RM-70,40 drones Hermes-450. [/ quote]

    aga isho 5 submarini, 25 F-35 i F-22, isho Apach, isho atmonaiaa bomba i tak daleie.
    nu kto bi nam dal helfiere, Javelin i patriot -3? nuu abiasnite, a vi znaite skolka stoit adin vistrel iz javelina? :) ax isho hermes-450 at nix atkazalis i vernuli :).

    [quote] Well, if you add to this the latest news from Abkhazia where special services have covered several large depots with weapons and ammunition, including air defense systems, it becomes clear what, where and when.
    [/ Quote]
    aga eta gruzini sdelali kaneshna, no zachem ubivats tak nazivaemova presidenta abkhazii?

    [quote] You don’t have to be seven spans in your forehead to understand the logic of the Georgians, worked out already in the 2008-conducted exercises and under this pretext we concentrate the troops, and then the active phase ... And according to the Georgian Minister of Defense, Georgia will conduct the next large-scale exercises in early September on the borders with Samochablo and Abkhazeti ...
    [/ quote] agaa a prinujdenie kmuri eta vi zabili 2008 gadu, kak nazivalas aa x daa kavkas 2008, a sichas kavkas 2012. ni strana? i ani s granici gruzii !!!
    1. Yarbay
      +4
      15 May 2012
      And I did not even pay attention to Patriot 3 and Javelin !!
      Where does the author get information that Georgia has them ??
      and about the covered weapons in Abkhazia, this is already a bust of the author agree!
    2. +4
      15 May 2012
      The author prejudicedly writes.
      The Georgians left before Saakashivili came to power, and under him some sort of return began.
      The author writes:Why are there such expenses in a region where there are practically no claims on territorial and other issues between neighboring states.
      For Dumb, since when in the South Caucasus there are no territorial claims ??????? Armenia and Azerbaijan between them the front goes through at all. That Russia chopped off Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgia. This is all called a peaceful region ??????
      1. IGR
        IGR
        0
        16 May 2012
        Ali, and what were the options?
        1. +3
          16 May 2012
          Options for what?
          1. IGR
            IGR
            +2
            16 May 2012
            [the fact that Russia chopped off Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgia. This is what the peaceful region is called ??????]

            slaughter options
            peacekeepers and Ossetians
            1. +2
              18 May 2012
              Georgians don’t hate Ossetians or Abkhazians believe I have many familiar Georgians, this is completely different than our relations with Armenians where there is mutual hatred and if war happens, they will be a hundred percent massacre. The situation with Georgia is fanned by Russia and brings everything from the other side. When the first hours of the war immediately trumpeted about 2000 Ossetians killed in civilian life. And then, when counting, the number 2000 was not confirmed. But the beginning is always remembered and everyone remembers this.
              1. IGR
                IGR
                +2
                18 May 2012
                Quote: Yeraz
                . And then, when counting, the figure 2000 was not confirmed. But the beginning is always remembered and everyone remembers this.


                illogical, dear. At first there was an art preparation.
                And about hate. Regrettably, it’s too late. I have lived in Georgia for a long time. No hatred. There is neglect and arrogance. Let me remind you of the old Soviet joke: Why Georgians do not have astronauts? If Georgians die of pride, Armenians with envy and all Transcaucasia will be populated by Azerbaijanis
  • sergey261180
    0
    15 May 2012
    We have Saakashvili more popular than damn Putin! As soon as an article about him there are so many comments at once! laughing
  • 0
    15 May 2012
    Ukraine upset! And no war! And let the Georgians remember!
    1. radikdan79
      +2
      15 May 2012
      a handful of nationalists-this is not all of Ukraine. believe me ...
  • Zareka
    +1
    15 May 2012
    Restless teddy bear, .. and how does his people endure?
  • +1
    15 May 2012
    Well, the fact that Saakashvili will cling to power with his teeth is not news.
    But how will he do it ??? It is possible to attack Abkhazia or Ossetia, but in its essence it is not promising (it may not fly a second time, it may actually be a missile), or, for example, knock down a Georgian civilian plane with Strela and blame the same Ossetians. But you can also blow up a couple of five-storey buildings and find a Russian passport on the ruins !!
    And according to the katana scheme - hysteria, an interview with Western media, etc., etc.
  • radikdan79
    +1
    15 May 2012
    hurray, for Georgia ... - maybe that's enough? the Georgian leadership and the population of Georgia are not the same! I understand that Mishutka has Napoleon's ambitions (all the more so when the "big brothers" are hand-fed), a desire for revenge, etc., as already mentioned here. Defeating Russia in this confrontation is not a problem (Georgia's potential is not the same to compete with Russia) ... but that is not the problem. I am sure that not all citizens of Georgia support the policy of M. Saakashvilli. only the consequences of the war (if any) will be much sadder than during the 08.08.08 war. I am sure the Russian army will reach Tbilisi this time ... but what is the fault of the Georgian people?
    it’s easier to prevent a war than to eliminate the consequences of a war
  • Prosto vovochka
    +1
    15 May 2012
    Leave Mishiko alone. One of the five countries in the world where corruption is ZERO. The toad strangles that people have got rid of the communist legacy and can come to any state institution and they will be helped without red tape and humiliation when 72% of the population trust their police (do you trust yours?), When the budget is not stolen but spent on schools, hospitals, roads and business support. You, everyone here screaming at Mishiko, can clear a car driven from Germany in 15 minutes and put it on record and at the same time pay only at the rate and without waiting in line. Can you At least in Ukraine, even in Russia? Do not believe me ?. But in Georgia it is possible. And Mishiko restores human dignity to people. People and businessmen fled? Thieves and crooks fled. And legal business is now rushing to Georgia. It’s your insane media that tell you that in Georgia ... oops, and people only under Mishiko found the opportunity to start their own business and not be afraid that all sorts of communist Shevornadz’s people would come and take them away. leave Mishiko alone. He is a patriot.
    1. IGR
      IGR
      +2
      16 May 2012
      Mikhail Nikolaevich is not eternal.
      Corruption is not only the police, which by the way gets three times more than everyone else. But this is a separate issue.
      Who are the rest? This is probably the proletarians and engineers: the Kutaisi Automobile Plant (closed), 31 aircraft factories (by the way was at the end of Moscow Avenue), TEVZ (diesel locomotives), welding, Rustavi metallurgical and chemical. factories etc. Well, probably it EVERYTHING works there in three shifts. And workers 100% Georgians go to the workshop on a beep.
      Your legal business? Shmurdyak from Turkey, car junk from Europe, Borjomi and his wine from Bulgarian wine stock, construction of hotels in Tbilisi (that’s the face of a democratic city!). This is not patriotism but show off. Dangerous. Yes, and for other people's money. Will have to give.
      By the way, after 08.08.08, many of their pros left the army. Now the new ones have come, they are studying. Revenge is imperative. The humiliation of Russia at any cost. Directly or indirectly, by deed or propaganda. Really needed! Ponte do not allow otherwise!
      1. +1
        16 May 2012
        xaxaxa
        kutaiski avtozavod raboatet :)
        vot eta na ntv pashol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMsf23j-0Vw
        Quote: IGR
        By the way, after 08.08.08, many of their pros left the army

        nu gde vi etu infu vziali? ili eta vi sami vidumali chtob vam reiting pastavits + 1 ??
        Quote: IGR
        The humiliation of Russia at any cost

        da nikti ni unijivaiet rasiu ili ruskix ludei v gruzii, mi ochen taleranti narod ... mi ni zlimsia ni na rasiu ili na narod, mi zlimsia i xatim revansh nad putinam i medvedevam, i vabshe mi vaini ni xatim, ...
        nu ladna verte chto vam tam gavariat :)
        1. IGR
          IGR
          +2
          16 May 2012
          Dzma (friend). About the factory itself I neigh.

          About the army - in Alekseevka and Marneuli there are many friends, they tell (but quietly). I remember 1989 - when they spat in my direction in the subway and the stupid glikhoshvilos (peasant children) shouted "Bozo shen" (s-ka you) in my back. I know how many of my friends left the small democratic Georgia (Greece, Spain, USA, Germany, Sweden and of course Russia) and they only regret that the USSR is over. And the conversation is no longer about the Russian people but about Russia. I would ask for tolerance.
          Quote: GEOKING95
          i vabshe mi vaini ni xatim, i ni xateli ni kagda ...

          Yeah.
    2. candy bar140105
      +1
      16 May 2012
      Let this patriot not harass Russia at any opportunity and no one will touch him (just nobody tries to use him)))
    3. nod357
      +1
      16 May 2012
      Dear, Prosto Vovochka, let Mishiko customs the machine as much as you like and return to someone human dignity. Nobody will return our peacekeepers to their mothers. For this, and at least only for this, Saakashvili should be judged.
      PS Georgia’s corruption rating is far from zero:
      http://rating.rbc.ru/articles/2011/12/04/33496664_tbl.shtml?2011/12/02/33495541
      1. +1
        16 May 2012
        ili ia ni smog naiti, ili vabshe tam gruzia iest?
        tak i 175 gruzinskix saldat i 250 mirnix jitelei ni vernuts !!!
        1. nod357
          0
          17 May 2012
          Good day!
          Georgia at 64 positions.
          I ask you to remember that not our peacekeepers opened fire first (this fact was confirmed by the Commission of the European Union).
          1. +2
            17 May 2012
            Quote: nod357
            I ask you to remember that not our peacekeepers opened fire first (this fact was confirmed by the Commission of the European Union).

            evrasiuz etava ni gavaril., evrasaiuz patverdzil chto gruzia nachala vainu, no na pravakaciu rasii. i da na miratvorcax ni strilali, kagda ani atkrili agon, gruzini atvetili tem je
  • +1
    15 May 2012
    America will really invest in Georgia and send its best planners to put things in order, deal with corruption, etc. It's a no-brainer, they need Mishiko to create a good image and it works out. Georgia is a small country, the USA can afford such expenses. As soon as Georgia ceases to be of interest to the United States as a springboard against Russia, everything will return to normal. Georgia’s economy and Caucasian mentality cannot do without "connections" (corruption) and "relatives".
    I’m glad that ordinary Georgians began to live better, just let them remember - the war against us is an abominable betrayal. Russian Georgians have never been humiliated, always treated as brothers. God grant that these American injections and the work of the best American minds on state planning do not become silver coins for Georgians 30. I’ll fight again, I’m sure that they aren’t even us, but God himself will punish them.
  • 0
    16 May 2012
    And again, the article features Ukraine with the sale of arms to Georgia. Sadness ... sad
  • Prosto vovochka
    0
    16 May 2012
    dear magadan, please do not distort. I do not claim that Russians humiliate Georgians. I affirm. that Georgian officials stopped humiliating Georgians. And our bureaucracy, both Russian and Ukrainian, has already equated us with the baseboard. for them we are only a source of profit and no more. even at death. pay more. And about. what you have to give, well, maybe after the Abama’s election, the dollar will really turn into a candy wrapper. Then Mishiko will give it back.

    respected IGR Or maybe AZLK in Russia earned? Or maybe thousands more less well-known destroyed factories in Russia again earned? Or the same thing in Ukraine? Unfortunately no. And Georgia is no exception. And Mishiko is just trying to run that. what is easiest to start at this stage. Borjomi, wine, tangerines, tea, tourism. Georgia is a small country without natural resources.
    1. IGR
      IGR
      0
      16 May 2012
      dear Prosto Vovochka: "Avtoframos" plant - ex. "AZLK's new territory" is Logan, Megan, Sandero, etc. Localization of production is about 70%.
      About thousands of less well-known destroyed factories, so they didn’t sell it under the hammer, it’s easier to blow up a bulldozer with our skills and productivity.
      He worked with Ukraine and the Dnepropetrovsk bush and with the Kiev Arsenal and the Kharkov guarantorspecservis. Grandfathers alone - but noble pros. although Kharkov residents are crooks.
      About Mishiko: They don’t have tea, wine is wine material from Bulgaria, watermelons grow in their vineyards, tourism (the swamp coast, two ski places, and historical Mtskheta, Gori .... better to Belarusians brothers),
  • 0
    17 May 2012
    Quote: Prosto Vovochka
    And our bureaucracy, both Russian and Ukrainian, has already equated us with the baseboard. for them we are only a source of profit and no more. even if you die

    So I say this, I probably just incomprehensibly wrote my post. The fight against bureaucracy in Georgia will be successful, because they are taught by the United States. And in the USA they know how to put bureaucrats in place. No matter how much we like it, but the enemies have something to learn and what to adopt. And we take from them exclusively every city, but such as the Fursen Unified State Examination, juvenile justice and freedom of homosexual
  • Prosto vovochka
    -1
    17 May 2012
    To each his own
  • IGR
    IGR
    -1
    17 May 2012
    Obama only mentioned that they are already in Tbilisi

    1. 0
      18 May 2012
      Western homosexuals arrived for “fair elections”... a familiar move
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