No matter how we had to choose the president of Georgia ...

Due to certain circumstances, Russia is currently the main source of possible preservation of the power of the president in Georgia. As it is known, President Saakashvili’s powers expire as early as January of next year, which means that Saakashvili’s trust limit has expired. Georgia’s people have already expressed left the country. According to the World Congress of the Nations of Georgia, about 2 million people left the country and the rest in 3,5 million looks quite eloquent.

Naturally, Saakashvili understands that his personal security depends on whether the power is in his hands or the hands of his protege ... If the opposition comes to power from him, they will naturally be asked for the Georgians who left, and for the spoiled relations with Russia, and for lost South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and for the shame of a lost war, and much more for that ... They will ask not at the international level, but specifically inside the country for landing political opponents and big businessmen. In short, the prospects are not bright and, naturally, the intention to peacefully leave January in the plane s Mishiko not included ..

What variants of succession of events are there to preserve power? And, alas, there is only one such option ... Declare a state of emergency in the country and give up elections for some time. And for this, it is enough to once again conduct a military provocation on Ossetian or Abkhazian land. Saakashvili understands perfectly well that the second provocation will not end as well, in general, painlessly as the first. Russia will already strike at the full program — destruction of military objects, bombardment of command and control centers in Tbilisi itself, destruction of infrastructure ktury gosudarstv.Ot this openly warned many high-ranking military in Russia and in Georgia itself.

What is the basis of my statement? Yes, on the simple logic of the events of recent months. Now Georgia ranks second in the world in military spending ... A small Transcaucasian country spends 8% of its GDP on armaments. And this money is spent purposefully on the army. For what such spending in a region where there are practically no claims on territorial and other issues between neighboring states.
Another interesting fact is that the Georgian army before 2008 made 32 thousands of professional servicemen. Now their 37 thousands and preparing them are an order of magnitude better than those who fought in August 2008-go. And add to this the desire for revenge ...
Well, the most interesting thing is probably the purchase of weapons. Just list the countries that are actively selling their Georgians weapon or Soviet weapons, which proved to be excellent even in that August-United Kingdom, Estonia, Lithuania, Bosnia, Herzegovina, France, Turkey, Greece, Israel, Ukraine, Czech Republic, Bulgaria, and of course the main supplier-USA. Is the list of friends impressive? Western and Soviet equipment is being actively supplied from these countries, which is being successfully modernized.
At present, the American anti-tank systems (which is interesting against whose tanks?) Javelin and aviation Hellfire-2, SAM Patriot-3, and Stinger, Bulgarian multiple launch rocket systems RM-70,40 drones Hermes-450, Soviet howitzers D-20, Turkish armored personnel carriers Ejder-70pcs. and Cobra-100 pieces, French AS-332 multi-purpose helicopters ...

Our former allied republics-Ukraine and Moldova are not far behind the western suppliers ...

Ukraine independently supplied Georgia according to the vice-premier of Georgia Georgy Bramidze, voiced as early as February of this year 10 tanks T-72,3 BTR-80,25 BTR-70,20 MANPADS Igla, 40 units of MANPADS Strela and several ATGM Kombat..Add to this (according to the former director state-owned companies Ukrspetsexport Anatoly Gritsenko) supply of air defense systems Osa, Beech, MI-8 and MI-24 helicopters ... But this is not all ..

Ukrainian weapons, previously sold to other countries of the Black Sea region, are being actively bought up and resold through Moldovan firms, again to Georgia ... Previously, this process had a different focus - Chechnya and Tajikistan ..

Well, it remains a simple analysis, where and when? Again, we take open Georgian sources ... There is no need to be a rocket scientist to understand the logic of the Georgians, already practiced in 2008-we conduct exercises and concentrate on this pretext troops, and then the active phase. ..And according to the Georgian Minister of Defense, Georgia will conduct the next large-scale exercises in early September at the borders with Samocablo and the Aphazet ...

Well, if we add to this the last news from Abkhazia where special services covered several large warehouses with weapons and ammunition, including air defense systems, it becomes clear what, where and when ... It remains to develop and implement countermeasures against such plans ...

Comments

[Prophet Alyosha]

The next time Russia should not repeat the mistake of leaving the pro-American regime in power in Georgia. But there is no need to destroy anything unnecessarily - the fraternal Georgian people will be with Russia.

[Big lexey]

The article does not call for the destruction of Georgia. The article correctly says that in the event of repeated coercion to peace, we will be FORCED to destroy the MILITARY INFRASTRUCTURE of the state of Georgia so that there is no need to engage in coercion for the third time.
Do Russians want war ?! Categorically - no! But if the solution of security issues is not possible by political measures (and with a tie-eater this is exactly so!), Then you will have to threaten military force or, in extreme cases, use it.

[Dmitriy69]

Quote: "Now there are 37 thousand of them and their training is much better than those who fought in August 2008."
Now there are more runners and run faster ???
Quote: "And add to that the desire for revenge ..."
This thirst only torments the top, the rest is unlikely to hunt again to slap the slaps

[DERWISH]

MOST CORRECTLY THIS SHOULD MAKE A DECREASE OF GEORGIAN LOCAL POPULATION OF GEORGIA LEAD AND HORSE CLEAR IN CASE OF MILITARY ACTIONS IT WILL AFFECT AS MOST RULES !!! LET MISHIKO FOR A TIE AND ABROAD !!! AND NO

[Mostovik]

Well, you witty! The longer the site, the more convinced that the more stars, the dumber and more monotonous comments.
According to the information of the deputy chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces A. A. Nogovitsyn, as of August 13, the loss of Russian troops totaled 74 people dead, 19 missing, 171 wounded.
Of course, they easily slapped the Georgians in the face, it’s not you one of the 74 or 19 or 171 people. As easy as they put a slap on the head. And once again it is necessary to weigh - you know for sure that it is not you who will hang up - you will then write "glory to the fallen heroes, WE took Tbilisi", etc.

[Yarbay]

Mostovik
Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!

[vlaval1]

Bridge, it would be possible to put +100 !!!! well done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cadet787]

This bastard, haunted by the laurels of Benito Mussalini, hanged with his head down.

[borisst64]

"their training is much better than those who fought in August 2008"

Who defined this?

[domokl]

Quote: BigLexey

we will be FORCED to destroy the MILITARY INFRASTRUCTURE of the state of Georgia so that there is no need to engage in coercion for the third time.

Colonel-General Ivashov-The attack of Georgia on our allies in the person of Abkhazia and South Ossetia will be aggression against Russia. And the answer will not be so restrained and modest as it was in August 2008. Even a small armed government will declare war on Russia. Russia does not want to fight , but if the Georgian people allow their president to arrange the right to do so, it will be a full-scale war. With the bombing of Tbilissi, the presidential palace, with attacks on all military garrisons ... And then the question will arise in general about the existence of Georgian of the state ....
He didn’t add anything and didn’t decrease anything ...

[Winter]

Saakashvili has nowhere to go, and he will be valued for power until the last. Something is planned! .. It is not in vain that our people strengthen the southern direction at an accelerated pace!

[Nick]

Quote: Winter

Saakashvili has nowhere to go

Well, why, Milady, have an American wife with sukashvilli, can get a green card ...

[Ataturk]

Quote: Nick

Well, why, Milady, have an American wife with sukashvilli, can get a green card

she is not an American but from Holland.

[shifervals]

And there, and there p.i.do.r.a.m., oh, excuse me, gays, living freely. In Dur-Country they are even married, and in the States the resident supported them. Mishiko can go there and there - equipenisually.

[Prorox]

Georgia has neither troops nor weapons for war, but it may be enough for provocation, only Saska will not have power in any military situation, but the Georgians will be put in a pose just right.

[Yoshkin Kot]

bridges, water towers, power plants, airfields, ports, industrial enterprises, bakeries, military bases, didn’t forget anything?

[domokl]

According to Lenin, you also need a telephone with a telegraph

[dengy12]

But have you forgotten the Internet and mobile operators?

[Nick]

Quote: domokl

According to Lenin, you also need a telephone with a telegraph

Quote: dengy12

But have you forgotten the Internet and mobile operators?

In short, all communications ...

[shifervals]

Operators on the side, but how to get into cell phones from bombers?

[Scrooge]

military force is not a flag in the May Day demonstration ... they don’t swing it. It either has the country or it doesn’t.
and second

Quote: BigLexey

if resolving security issues is not possible with political measures

... and who said it was impossible?
certain circles DO NOT WANT to solve peacefully. it will be more true.

[Yoshkin Kot]

brotherly Georgian people? what are you? when was he like that? we are not people for them, if a Russian is a talented person, they will definitely say that his mother "bl-d" gave birth to him from a Georgian

[Alexander Romanov]

Well, where, do you see the fraternal Georgian people today? All this is already in the past, prapoganda has done its job. So Saka and the Georgian people are de facto the same

[YARY]

Well brotherly - thanks to the "work" of the "oilmen" and years of fooling, it is said loudly!
Not mercenaries fought with Russia in 2008! And their attitude towards Russians, even in Soviet times, cannot be called derogatory. This is their national trait.
So change the mode-YES! Return to Russia, NO! But the constant pressure and supervision that the Yankees used to go wild is reasonable.
Let's wait for the next "blitzkrieg" of the Tie-maker - And forward! To Tbilisi! To Batumi!

PySy After the liberation, you can restore Adjara as the British and make Batumi (forever!) The Russian base of the Navy , like Poti actually goof !!!

And secure everything with a legal transfer to eternal gratuitous use!

[father tudy-syudy]

Was the author of the article sober when he composed all this?
- The people of Georgia will independently choose their future in the elections! What does Russia have to do with it?
- Georgia’s military policy is solely the prerogative of the Georgian leadership elected in the general election! What does Russia have to do with it again? Did Georgia once tell Russia what to buy from weapons and what not? Funny
- Ukraine, for those who are not in the know, today an INDEPENDENT State, and is able to independently determine partners in the arms trade! What does Russia have to do with it again?
- Georgia has every right, as a sovereign state, to organize and conduct exercises with anyone, how and wherever it wants! What side is Russia in general here?
- what is "Abkhazia"? Who is this and where is it? By whom and when is it recognized or recognized?
- A very base article for such a reputable site!

[dengy12]

and you dear yourself were sober when you read the article?

[older]

Why should he sober up? He doesn’t have the brain to think, but to be sick in the morning ... the author is right ... Tensions in the south are growing and Saakashvili does not accept unleashing a provocation against Russia simply because he has no choice ..He is a political corpse, and after the election of a new president, perhaps a physical one .. so a thousand times are right .. We need to keep an eye out

[Jackyun]

Mr. Tudy-Syudy (a very accurate name), let me remind you that in August 2008 the regular army of "independent Georgia" attacked a peacekeeping contingent that had an international mandate, signed by Georgia as well. The contingent consisted of Russian citizens. Under the fire of the Georgian army's multiple launch rocket systems (even NATO admitted this, if you don't know), civilians were killed. For example, you scream very loudly about civilians in Syria. And in Ossetia, there were Russian citizens who made their choice independently and consciously (find three differences from the citizens of Georgia). Thus, Russia defended its citizens (or is it a wonder you that the state is obliged to protect its citizens?).

Quote: Father Tudy-syudy

Did Georgia once tell Russia what to buy from weapons and what not?

Please explain why you (the West, NATO) tell Iran how to arm and what. And he arms himself out of fear of your aggression. There are many examples of such aggression in recent years. Enumeration will take up a lot of space.

Quote: Father Tudy-syudy

what is "abkhazia"? Who is this and where is it? By whom and when is it recognized or recognized?

Firstly, study geography (or it’s not customary with you, it’s easier to live in ignorance), and secondly, recognition of Russia is more than enough and your politicians understand this very well.

PS. But Father then escaped !! Absolutely NATO. As I met a strong one, I’d squeeze the tail, and bark from the gateway. They do not know how to honestly and openly defend their point of view - the gut is thin!

[vlaval1]

Please explain why you (the West, NATO) tell Iran how to arm and what. And he is arming himself out of fear of your aggression .----- Well then, Georgia should help develop an atomic bomb --- yes, the Baltic states too, along with Moldova and Ukraine, they are also afraid of Russian aggression

[OSTAP BENDER]

Don’t put Ukraine here! I live in Ukraine and I will tell you. No one here is afraid of Russian aggression (finally, the words Russian and I hope Moscow, you write with a capital letter), maybe several people like you, but this is not all Ukraine! And yet, I live on the border with Moldova (Moldova will be right) and communicate with Moldovan citizens, so I have not met frightened people with the Russian threat! It’s there that the Romanians are howling, like you probably are! So Jew, don’t sign for us!

[vlaval1]

blender, then the Romanians and the Poles will give a bomb! Let them also be nuclear powers!

[Lord of the Sith]

I fully support

[older]

Quote: OSTAP BENDER

I live in Ukraine and I will tell you. No one here is afraid of Russian aggression

From the point of view of some Ukrainians, you are simply zombified by Moscow ... When people do not understand, or rather do not want to understand the benefits for their country and are ready to throw their brothers into the grave just because freedom is more important than a good life, they will not understand you .. You you become second-rate .. So it was and will be so ...

[OSTAP BENDER]

Every day I watch how the propaganda of "independence" works, how people are brainwashed (especially young people), how friends, foaming at the mouth, prove what a useful program "Schuster" is. It is difficult for them to understand (they just do not want to think) that no one needs them, especially the European Union! Is that in the role of cannon meat, somewhere in Afghanistan !!!!

[fidel]

jackyun,
I will answer you instead of tudes-syudy:
1. How and under what circumstances did the Russian "peacekeeping" contingent appear in South Ossetia? Let's remember this funny story? And why exactly Russian, and not Turkish, for example? Who gave such a sole right to Russia?
2. The Georgian army has every right to use those military means that it considers necessary! Russia used Grads, flamethrowers and aerial bombings in Grozny? Can we recall this story?
3. What did the Russian peacekeeping contingent in Ossetia do? Read the German press, everything is clearly and clearly described
4. When, by whom and under what circumstances did the Ossetians receive Russian passports? Remind ... There are a lot of similar "Russians" in Sevastopol, so soon you will "liberate" Sevastopol too? And further London in the plans? Logic, I hope you got it?
5. So maybe Georgia and the Baltic states will be allowed to have nuclear weapons? How do you like this option? And there, the Mujahideen of Dagestan are not far away .... But you do not allow Russian citizens to have firearms in private use? Got it?
6. What are Abkhazia and South Ossetia in terms of "state"? What are the sources of income and filling local budgets? We do not take into account smuggling, stolen cars and money sent by "thieves in law"
These "countries" ARE NOT RECOGNIZED BY ANYONE IN THE WORLD, here are the answers to all your questions!

[Eugene]

For smart Fidel.

Quote: fidel

How can Georgia and the Baltic states be allowed to have nuclear weapons? How do you like this option?

They signed a non-proliferation treaty.

[aksakal]

Quote: fidel

How and under what circumstances did the Russian "peacekeeping" contingent appear in South Ossetia? Let's remember this funny story? And why exactly Russian, and not Turkish, for example? Who gave such a sole right to Russia?

- Russian peacekeeping forces are there with UN sanction, if that. As for the sole right of Russia, it is definitely not up to you to decide, and they will not ask you. And you decide to ask - a lot of questions will come to you and for the village of Sheela and others - you are tormented to answer

Quote: fidel

2. The Georgian army has every right to use those military means that it considers necessary! Russia used Grads, flamethrowers and aerial bombings in Grozny? Can we recall this story?

- The storming of Grozny - at that time there were no civilians there, there were only militants. We agreed in advance "we will storm - bring out the civilians." It took a lot of effort to catch the militants trying to escape from the crowd of local residents being taken out. And here is the use of Grad against civilians of a peaceful city and myrtvors, armed only with light small arms! Quit that - measure by yourself. It is customary for you to carry out carpet bombing of Lebanon indiscriminately and consider it normal. We have a nifiga like this

Quote: fidel

. What did the Russian peacekeeping contingent in Ossetia do? Read the German press, everything is clearly and clearly described

“I don't give a damn about your deceitful press, its faith is not worth a damn.” Then in Moscow, performances with numerous victims, while at least the Greek palm trees would be wiped out, or something. Although out of the least respect for the misleading. Either Tripoli is a fake, it is an Ossetian girl who coughs - you’ll at least take care of your journalism, at least slightly increase their professional level, or you’ll be absolutely shameful blunders. And then you send us some links. I saw 08.08.08 your RTVi channel - so only your television can be selflessly lying, it is Israeli, no offense.

Quote: fidel

When, by whom and under what circumstances did Ossetians receive Russian passports? Remind ... There are a lot of similar "Russians" in Sevastopol, so soon you will "liberate" Sevastopol too? And further London in the plans? Logic, I hope you got it?

- You will not shove the Russian passport by force. If you want, try it. Since people make such requests, it’ll be taken into account, they ask for protection, and leaving them without protection was generally not in the rules of Russia. This tradition since the days of the Turkish-Balkan wars!

Quote: fidel

What are Abkhazia and South Ossetia in terms of "state"? What are the sources of income and filling local budgets? We do not take into account smuggling, stolen cars and money sent by "thieves in law"

- You wouldn’t generalize like that, otherwise we can also generalize a lot to Israel. Israel has not much more rights to consider itself a full-fledged state - the same in terms of population and territory. It’s by force itself a year with a tail by the standards of large systems — and there, already through gritted teeth and down on the new states. Are you too arrogant, comrade? Is there any reason? It’s not for you to decide what kind of state they are, you have the courage to ask them this question there. in Tskhinval. You will be answered, you will like it

[Yarbay]

Belaboroda you are here bent !!
Before the assault on Grozny, Grachev announced that the Russian army did not intend to send troops and storm Grozny ((remember the passage about one landing regiment, he said there))) There was a New Year-Holiday!
incomparable with the Olympics!
As for passports, you are wrong, then Russia recognized these territories for Georgia, it’s a blow in the back!
As for the German press, I completely agree with you !!
Western press is mostly selling !!

[aksakal]

Quote: Yarbay

Before the assault on Grozny, Grachev announced that the Russian army did not intend to send troops and storm Grozny ((remember the passage about one landing regiment, he said there))) There was a New Year-Holiday!

- I did not mean this concrete assault on Grozny. I mean the final assault. And the storming of another city, I do not remember the name, Basayev's hometown, civilians were classically withdrawn there, and the soldiers tried to catch the militants among them. Well, again, how? - a young guy, they snatched him out of the evacuees, then his mother jumps, a scandal, like my son ah-yay! "etc. It doesn't matter, the fact itself is that the hail was not used against civilians, so the accusations of Castro's namesake are groundless.

Quote: Yarbay

As for passports, you are wrong, then Russia recognized these territories for Georgia, it’s a blow in the back!

- Yes, they did not admit to Georgia. And read the Union Treaty of the USSR, so how can Georgia be recognized as territories not belonging to it? It also clearly states how to act when entering from the Union. Abkhazians and Ossetians are right in any way. The fact that they are not recognized is already politics, a politically motivated, intentional decision that Fidel is trying to impart to us as objective and fair.

[Yarbay]

white beard let's be serious !!
I'm not a kid and not children here !!
The whole world and Russia, including recognized these territories!
If not, show the UN document in which, when Georgia was accepted there, it was disputed by its integrity !!
what contract to read ??
I personally, to a great extent, don’t give a damn about the territory of Georgia, but either we are talking about serious things seriously or we should not talk about it!
Just note that it is allowed for Jupiter is not allowed for a bull and drink kvass))

[aksakal]

Quote: Yarbay

I'm not a kid and not children here !!

- I didn’t say anything like that

Quote: Yarbay

The whole world and Russia, including recognized these territories!

- with pleasure I will familiarize myself with this document, if you provide And before those holes I can’t agree, sorry.

Quote: Yarbay

If not, show the UN document in which, when Georgia was accepted there, it was disputed by its integrity !! what agreement to read ??

- Union Treaty of 1922. The UN was not then, and therefore there is reason to affirm the priority of this Treaty over all decisions of the UN - the Treaty has no retroactive effect.

Quote: Yarbay

I personally, to a great extent, don’t give a damn about the territory of Georgia, but either we are talking about serious things seriously or we should not talk about it!

- I also do not care about the integrity of the territory of Georgia. Seriously, in the zone of attack there were peacekeepers from the Russian Federation, who are there with UN sanction, this is more than enough to punish Georgia, you can’t worry about the rest.

Quote: Yarbay

Just note that it is allowed for Jupiter is not allowed for a bull and drink kvass))

- Still, you need to strive to ensure that everyone has the same rights. I understand that it is impossible, but we must strive, otherwise - we will legitimize the slave system
And purely human - Abkhazians and Ossetians - are not at all what the Albanians are about in Kosovo. The difference is that the Albanians were simply allowed to live in Kosovo for human reasons, they were refugees from the Tirana regime - the capital of Albania fully justified its name. They multiplied, became the majority in Kosovo (politics of spikes) and chopped off the territory.
And Abkhazians and Ossetians from time immemorial lived in these territories (in the form of Alans). The difference, as you see, still exists. These are their lands, these are not the lands of Georgians, and if they did not want to live as part of Georgia, this is their right and a serious miscalculation of the Georgians. They could have agreed among themselves there, and Russia would have nothing to do with it. But the oak actions of the Georgians - and the result is obvious. Now they’re dissolving.
Of course, Russia’s miscalculations are here, unfortunately, not without it. It was necessary at the very beginning to resolve - to persuade Abkhazians and Ossetians to live as part of the Georgians in exchange for the loyalty of these same Georgians, and then take and annex all together - not like now, only Abkhazia and Ossetia with hostile Georgia overboard, and all together in bulk. But let's not forget what was raging in the early 90s, Russia itself did this in Moscow, not before such complex combinations. But what happened is what happened. This means that Russia will simply swallow Georgia later, and Georgia will not go anywhere. The state in the amount of a couple of millions of inhabitants in an independent form is unviable for any. Even Israel, although its representative spoke so highly of Ossetia and Abkhazia, is even not viable, even with a developed science and army - without the help of Amer taxpayers, measured in a billion dollars and huge political support, the neighbors will gnaw at the moment.

[Yarbay]

Dear Akskal!
we are talking about the same thing and different things at the same time !!)
As for me to familiarize you with the document !!
This is a document of the adoption of Georgia as an independent state in the UN!
There is a document with maps and all that!
That is, when accepting Georgia at the UN, no state presented a claim to it regarding the territory and recognized its territory indicated by it !!
Including Russia!
As for the union agreement, 22 years!
Those 4 Presidents gathered in the Beloveshskaya Pushcha under the leadership of Yeltsin simply cheated and wiped them, and here I don’t see the fault of Georgia!
As for how Ossetians got into South Ossetia, read. I gave a certificate from Dubrovin here!
Understand, dear, if from the very beginning I mean they were not encouraged by the Abkhazians and Ossetians, they would live normally and believe me they can live !!
If you don’t know, as a neighbor, I know perfectly well that there are three or 4 Ossetian villages in Kakheti and live normally!
Other peoples live in Georgia and why they can, but these do not !!
NOT SERIOUS!
As for Kosovo, I completely agree with you this mockery and complete disrespect for international law !!
Alas, there is lawlessness in the world today, a law of the strong, not a law of law, and this is fraught with big problems in the future!
You are right that these republics in this situation are not viable !! Moreover, there is and will be lawlessness!
You are right that Georgia would not go away !!
Just because of the wrong policy, relations are damaged for a long time !!
In principle, I agree with the second part of your comment !!
with respect

[candy bar140105]

I didn't understand something, when in 89 Gamsakhurdia sent armed thugs to Tskhinvali to "plant the Georgian language and culture" these same geeks were thrown out of the city by unarmed people who stood up for their Motherland (I am not exaggerating, this is how it was), after then the first war began and thousands of Ossetians were killed, whole villages were burned. And who then incited the Ossetians if not the schizoid Gamsakhurdia himself? And as for the Ossetians living in Georgia, I will explain - such a practice was used, if you are Ossetian and your surname, for example, Gutsaev, you are offered to "become a Georgian" and change your surname to (dze) or (shvili). So in Georgia live mainly those who agreed with this. And whoever remained OSSETIAN, went through years of not the sweetest life, but in the end achieved INDEPENDENCE, of course with the help of Russia, a big brother ... So don't be bullshit ...

[aksakal]

There is much to argue about and nothing to argue about, unfortunately.

Quote: Yarbay

Those 4 Presidents gathered in the Beloveshskaya Pushcha under the leadership of Yeltsin simply cheated and wiped them, and here I don’t see the fault of Georgia!

- and who was there fourth?

Quote: Yarbay

Understand, dear, if from the very beginning I mean they were not encouraged by the Abkhazians and Ossetians, they would live normally and believe me they can live !!

- Well, here I have no information, you need to see it on the ground and we need evidence.
Maybe you are right about the territory of South Ossetia, I would not like to go into these details much, most importantly, we agree on one thing - a lot of mistakes have been made on all sides, but mistakes are correctable (provided that there are no third parties to oppose) and unification is inevitable (and even with opposition from third countries, it just happens later).

Quote: Yarbay

Just because of the wrong policy, relations are damaged for a long time !!

- life goes on, between nations there is no longer such enmity, but by and large it was not there. Everyone understands that the military conflict is the result of gross errors of both the one and the other and the third party, moreover, the mistakes of the elite, and not the people. In short, politics is to blame, and specifically, such a feud wow what thread Suliko towards any Petya and vice versa - it still does not exist by now. A tie-eater will leave, a more adequate and negotiable president will come - there will already be a small step towards improvement

[Yarbay]

Dear aksakal!
Tell me, what politician or President of Georgia has satisfied Russian politicians since independence?
Give at least one last name!
No need to fool yourself !!
I repeat, in principle, both sides did everything to worsen relations and they are spoiled worse nowhere!
I do not condone the Georgians and they have many mistakes, and since Soviet times, their nationalism has been strong!
No matter what a politician comes to, politicians in Russia will not like him and, apparently, Russia is like him too!
Apparently this is a long time!

[mark021105]

What about nations' right to self-determination?

[iulai]

aksakal, respect, comforted, well done !!!!!!

[Tersky]

aksakal- Good afternoon, colleague! Well, do not consider my post as plagiarism while I was typing an answer to this "Fedya Kostrov". I am glad that our thoughts are idiotic! A plus!

[aksakal]

Quote: Tersky

aksakal- Good afternoon, colleague! Well, do not consider my post as plagiarism while I was typing an answer to this "Fedya Kostrov". I am glad that our thoughts are idiotic!

- kind!! Thank you for your kind words, I already guessed I was just glad that I’m printing faster And glad that really like-minded people

[OSTAP BENDER]

aksakal! Regards +100!

[sanych]

Aksakal. Plus under each item !!! How these geeks love to screw up our country. And why?! Yes, because of its worthlessness! Either Iran is bad, Syria is ruled by a "despot". Russia is an authoritarian state. All of the above countries have a MANY CENTURY HISTORY !!! And it's not for you to teach us life!

[Tersky]

Quote: fidel

The Georgian army has every right to use those military means that it considers necessary!

Including against civilians?

Quote: fidel

Russia used Grads, flamethrowers and aerial bombings in Grozny?

This is the territory of the Russian Federation, and weapons were used against gangs

Quote: fidel

What did the Russian peacekeeping contingent in Ossetia do?

All that the peacekeeping contingent should do is only the destruction of the civilian population, which was what the Georgian troops were doing

Quote: fidel

maybe Georgia and the Baltic states will be allowed to have nuclear weapons

Monkey grenade?

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What are Abkhazia and South Ossetia in terms of "state"?

What is Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Georgia in terms of the state? What are the sources of budget replenishment for the "cities" I have listed? If 2 million Georgians live in Russia? If all Baltic satellites live on EU handouts?

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will you soon "liberate" Sevastopol?

It is unnecessary for us to release him; no one has handed him over to Ukraine, as far as London is concerned, he was long ago taken by Berezovsky, Zakayev, etc.

[Yarbay]

Hello Victor!
Let's honestly communicate!
We all saw on Russian TV how, a week before the events, civilians were taken out of Tskhinvali!

So for Georgia is a gang!
I correctly understood that the Sevastopol Russian Territory ??

[Tersky]

Good afternoon, Alibek! also on all channels of Russian TV we saw how many civilians were in Tskhinval at the time of the hostilities, and how many of them died. Regarding the status of Sevastopol - After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Russian Federation took a number of steps confirming the Russian status of Sevastopol and Crimea.

The Decree of the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation of May 21 of 1992 of the year No. 2809-1 stipulates: “Resolution of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR of February 5 of 1954“ On the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR ”, as adopted in violation of the Constitution of the RSFSR and legislative procedure, recognize as null and void from the moment of adoption. ”

On July 9 of 1993 of the year, the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation adopted Resolution No. 5359-1 “On the Status of the City of Sevastopol”. It says: “Confirm the Russian federal status of the city of Sevastopol in the administrative-territorial boundaries of the city district as of December 1991,” i.e. at the time of the collapse of the USSR.

On 23 of August 1994 of the year, the Sevastopol City Council makes a decision “On the Status of the City of Sevastopol” and “Appeal ...” on this issue.

TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
Comrade YELTSIN B.N.
TO THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE
Comrade KUCHME L.D.
CHAIRMAN OF THE FEDERAL MEETING OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
Comrade SHUMEYKO V.F.
CHAIRMAN OF THE STATE DUMA OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
Comrade Rybkin I.P.
CHAIRMAN OF THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF UKRAINE
Comrade FROST A.A.

ABOUT
SEVASTOPOL CITY COUNCIL OF PEOPLE'S DEPUTIES

The Sevastopol City Council of People’s Deputies appeals to you with a proposal to make a state, verified decision on the Russian Federal Status of Sevastopol and to finally solve the problems of the Black Sea Fleet.

The grounds for considering these problems are:

The will of the residents of Sevastopol and Black Sea sailors, 89% of whom answered positively to the question about its Russian status;
Lack of specific decisions on the status of the city and the fleet;
The ongoing financial and economic blockade of the city;
The fundamentally impossible joint basing of the forces of the Black Sea Fleet and the Ukrainian Navy;
Introduction to the city of the units of the National Guard of Ukraine without coordination with the city Council of People's Deputies;

The legal basis of the Russian federal status of the city of Sevastopol was thoroughly studied by numerous commissions, including international ones, based on the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR of October 29 of October 1948 on the separation of the city of Sevastopol from the Crimean Region as an independent administrative unit with the status of a city of republican subordination.

De jure, the city of Sevastopol is now part of the Russian Federation, since the transfer of the 1954 year on the status of the city of Sevastopol was not canceled when the Crimean Region was transferred from Russia to Ukraine in the 1948 year, and the subsequent extension of the jurisdiction of Ukraine to the city of Sevastopol was adopted unilaterally, without appropriate decision by the constitutional authorities of the RSFSR.

With the collapse of the USSR in December 1991 and the formation of the sovereign states of the Russian Federation and Ukraine, the Russian legal status of the city of Sevastopol did not undergo any changes, but was further confirmed by the adoption of the Resolution of the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation dated July 9, 1993 "On the status of the city of Sevastopol".

Legal unsettled relations between Russia and Ukraine by the status of the city of Sevastopol opens up opportunities for territorial claims of third countries.

Dear politicians!

Given the special importance of the city of Sevastopol for Russia, the constant growth of negative consequences caused by the unresolved issues mentioned above, we ask you to fulfill the will of the city residents and Black Sea sailors, restore historical justice, immediately conclude negotiations on the federal Russian status of the city of Sevastopol and finally solve the problems of the Black Sea Fleet. We believe that the delegation of the Sevastopol City Council is required to participate in the negotiations.

We believe that your state wisdom and responsibility will solve the problems of the city of Sevastopol and the Black Sea Fleet.

23 August 1994 year

Chairman of the City Council
People's Deputies of Sevastopol V. Semenov

head
Secretariat of the City Council K. Pavlenko

Chairman
Editorial committee of the session V. Romanenko

Chairman
Secretariat of the session I. Kulikov

SEVASTOPOL CITY COUNCIL OF PEOPLE'S DEPUTIES

XXI CONVOCATION OF THE II SESSION

DECISION

№ 41

"23" August 1994 Sevastopol


On the status of the city of Sevastopol.

After hearing and discussing the information of the deputy of the city Council from the 7th electoral district V.I. "On the status of the city of Sevastopol" and, taking into account the results of a public opinion poll of the city's citizens dated June 26, 1994 on this issue, as well as the ongoing interstate contacts between Ukraine and the Russian Federation on the conclusion of a full-scale agreement, the Sevastopol City Council of People's Deputies

I DECIDED:

Recognize the Russian legal status of the city of Sevastopol;
To confirm the principled position of the city Council on Sevastopol as the main base of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, expressed in all previous decisions of the city Council XX1 and XXP Convocation;
To accept the appeal of the City Council on the status of the city of Sevastopol to the Presidents of the two states B.N. Yeltsin and Kuchma L.D., to the heads of the highest bodies of state power Shumeiko V.F., Rybkin I.P., Morozov A.A. (attached);
Send a delegation of the City Council to participate in the negotiations;
The control over the implementation of this decision shall be assigned to the Deputy Chairman of the City Council N. Glushko

Chairman of the City Council
People's Deputies of Sevastopol V. Semenov

Head of the Secretariat of the City Council K. Pavlenko
Chairman of the Editorial Committee of the session V. Romanenko

Chairman of the secretariat of the session I. Kulikov

The deputies of the city council proceeded from a simple truth: Sevastopol is a shrine for Russians, and especially Russians. They founded it as a Russian city, a Russian naval stronghold, standing guard over Russia. Two heroic defenses of the fortified city in 1853-1856 and 1941-1942 entered the history of Russia forever, glorified our wonderful ancestors. In Sevastopol, literally every inch of the earth is watered with Russian blood, and more than once. In his land forever remained the ancestors of so many Russian families who did not spare their blood and life itself for the sake of independence of the Fatherland, of modern generations and of future generations. And here you have a reference, there is more details http://crimea-tour.ru/o_statuse_sev.html

[Yarbay]

Dear Victor, what does this mean ???
What did Messrs. Yeltsin, Shumeyko and Co. answer?
As far as I know, they ignored, to put it mildly!
Then what is the question?
Yeltsin, however, and Gorbachev when it came to their personal, were ready to break everyone!
When it comes to the state, nevermind they were!

[Tersky]

It was not a word - they ignored it, at the time of the collapse of the USSR, each of these gentlemen was thinking only about personal gain, but not about the integrity of the territories of the former republics, especially in such legal subtleties. You are right in their paradoxical nonsense.

[Yarbay]

Here I am about it !!!
You plus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Good Ukraine]

For Fidel

[quote1.] How and under what circumstances did the Russian "peacekeeping" contingent appear in South Ossetia? Let's remember this funny story? And why exactly Russian, and not Turkish, for example? Who gave such a sole right to Russia?