"We stand ahead of England and France." 10 facts about the children of the heroic warriors of the Russian army of the Great War

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Do we know that the children of the heroic soldiers of the Russian army during the First World War enjoyed special care from the state? The following facts will help us to make some impression about this.

1 fact. Heroism and self-sacrifice of the soldiers of the Russian army, increased losses in the conditions of the modern war set a serious problem for the state - to take care of the children of the heroes who fell for their Motherland. In the ranks of the mass national multimillion army fought with the enemy, and young people, and the fathers of numerous families.



2 fact. The state tried to help the families of heroes - soldiers and officers. As the source notes: “this is the duty of the state, which has never, in any war, been fulfilled so conscientiously, sacredly, as it is now.” But monetary assistance was not enough - all the more so since it is not known “how it will be used by the near and dear heroes of the war”.

3 fact. And then in Moscow under the Committee of the Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna the Department for the Guardianship of the Children of Warriors is created. He was engaged in the upbringing and provision of children without parents.

4 fact. Who were the pets of the Department? First, the children of warriors who fell in the battle for the Motherland. Secondly, children, the fate of whose parents is unknown - for example, the father went missing or was captured, and the mother perished during the "refugee" or during the bombing.

5 fact. A nursery and a kindergarten were created for the smallest children in Moscow. In a manger turned one of the estates near Moscow. Representatives of the higher Moscow aristocracy - replacing mothers to orphans - became nannies. In these institutions, a regime was set up, “which, perhaps, the children of people of the most solid wealth” do not know.





6 fact. Schools and a workshop were created for the older children of the hero warriors.

7 fact. Not only warrior children studied at schools, but also “peaceful” children, as well as children who managed to attend the army as volunteers and even deserved military awards. Children under the age of 16 were not allowed into the army, but there were a lot of such volunteers in the latter. They began to be seconded to Moscow and given to these schools - with the prospect of continuing education at the expense of the state. So, at the beginning of 1916, of the recent 70 patrolled only by the Moscow Committee, the recent juvenile 10 volunteers had already been trained in gymnasiums, and several more at the Komissarovsky and Stroganov School of Fine Arts. And many children were in preparation.

8 fact. Workshops have been set up for girls and boys who love craft. The girls sewed gift bags for the wounded, and the boys bound books.



9 fact. The central institutions established in Moscow that care for children began to serve the whole of Russia.

10 fact. As the source noted, in the sense of providing children of warriors, "as it turns out now, we are ahead of even England and France."

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  1. +6
    8 July 2018 06: 18
    We sometimes forget that our future children ...
  2. +12
    8 July 2018 06: 57
    Recently, in many articles on the heroization of the goal, I see only one creation of the image of a decent empire and a bourgeois republic. A direct alternative to the USSR. What can be done with a stretch of information dumping.
    Who needs this? Non-current owners of money. To justify their dominance in the life of the country. They have pushed economic activity. They are also pushing information.
    1. +9
      8 July 2018 07: 06
      Quote: apro
      many articles on the heroization of pvm

      I’ll tell you a little secret - the history of Russia is not only the USSR.
      1. +2
        8 July 2018 08: 16
        Quote: Dart2027
        I’ll tell you a little secret - the history of Russia is not only the USSR.

        And not only Russia, but also Russia.
        1. +2
          8 July 2018 08: 55
          Quote: Boris55
          And not only Russia, but also Russia.

          And here, it turns out, we can learn very little about what happened before the Baptism of Russia. At the same time, it is known that Pushkin wrote dates on poems more ancient than usual ..... He also has indications of ancient rites .... Something he knew ?? ..... And where is it now?
    2. +6
      8 July 2018 07: 14
      It's not about heroization. Indeed, one should always add that a Russian soldier was not thrown into the war for the interests of RI.
      The fact is that somehow from 2MB, from the Second World War, lies continue to lie here and there. And I’m not talking about Stalin. On tv some quotes mlechina about Stalin. And who is Mlechin to judge about Stalin.
      Quote: apro
      Not in the subject. Lately, there are many articles on the heroization of pvm ..
      1. +9
        8 July 2018 08: 14
        Indeed, one should always add that a Russian soldier was not thrown into the war for the interests of RI.

        A Russian soldier in WWI fought for the territorial integrity of Russia - fighting in the coalition, otherwise it was impossible in that situation.
        http://nvo.ng.ru/wars/2017-02-10/8_936_russian.ht
        ml
        https://topwar.ru/143141-8-faktov-o-drang-nah-ost
        ene-1914-goda.html
        Well, about the children, well, I see another manifestation of the policy of double standards, which is not surprising. If the facts set forth in the article took place in the USSR, then now the bubbles would be released and the snot smeared from tenderness.
        And pre-revolutionary Russia is bad (according to some) - so that it is not good. And no options.
        It is great that we recall such facts - historical justice is very important, but facts are a stubborn thing.
        1. +10
          8 July 2018 09: 37
          A Russian soldier in WWI fought for the territorial integrity of Russia - fighting in the coalition, otherwise in that situation it was impossible
          What kind of integrity of Russia are you writing about? A Russian soldier was driven to fight for French loans and the dream of a cross over Constantinople, which was promised by * allies *
          1. +6
            8 July 2018 11: 43
            Like an old hackneyed retro record)) At least on the forehead, at least on the forehead - old songs about the main thing.
            Yes, read at least the comments on the article.
            https://topwar.ru/143141-8-faktov-o-drang-nah-ost
            ene-1914-goda.html
            There, one like you finally admitted that some Straits there are not a topic to get involved in a world war for their sake. And a million times they have already said that the question of Constantinople has arisen far AFTER the start of the WWII.
            The Entente came into effect after the hostile initiative of Germany - that is, a defensive alliance. What were Germany’s predatory plans is well known.
            And the fact that it was impossible to stay alone - for the German bloc, as in the defeat of the Anglo-French in 1940, would have fallen upon us who were left alone - as in 1941.
            Therefore, they fought for the territorial integrity of Russia.
            1. +1
              8 July 2018 12: 39
              Quote: Albatroz
              The Entente came into effect after the hostile initiative of Germany - that is, a defensive alliance. What were Germany’s predatory plans is well known.
              And the fact that it was impossible to stay alone - for the German bloc, as in the defeat of the Anglo-French in 1940, would have fallen upon us who were left alone - as in 1941.

              Dear, for the second paragraph I gave you a plus, and for the first - “bad” :) - not the Entente and the German bloc decided that the Slaughter between them - To be !!!
              1. +3
                8 July 2018 12: 50
                Dear, I have to give you ratings.
                I wrote how it really was.
                1. +1
                  8 July 2018 13: 02
                  There was a smiley face on the "assessment".

                  Then how do you explain that the French put on display patriotic frenzy of city layouts that the Prussians took from them, with the dream of returning them by force?
                  So the British drew maps of the borders of future Europe long before the start of the WWII.
                  And yes, it is worth reading about the absolutely coordinated actions of the Freemasons in the General Staffs of German and French ...
                  1. +2
                    8 July 2018 13: 06
                    You can find out what it is for:
                    There was a smiley face on the "assessment".
                    Then how do you explain that the French put on display patriotic frenzy of city layouts that the Prussians took from them, with the dream of returning them by force?
                    So the British drew maps of the borders of future Europe long before the start of the WWII.
                    And yes, it is worth reading about the absolutely coordinated actions of the Masons in the General Staffs of German and French

                    What, the French could not return what they had torn away? This is not a capture, but the return of one's own.
                    the British drew maps of the borders of future Europe long before the start of the WWII
                    What are you? And what were their aggressive plans in Europe in Europe?
                    it is worth reading about the absolutely coordinated actions of the Masons in the General Staffs of German and French

                    is it possible from now on in more detail? I have all the attention ...
                    1. +1
                      8 July 2018 13: 21
                      1. Or maybe the French captured Alsace and Lorraine from the Germans before that?
                      2. Why did the British need to untie the PMA - there was already a discussion ... with the theory of oil well capture at TI, the user with the nickname Seal spoke in detail earlier.
                      3. About the coordination of the actions of Masons in the General Staffs of the German and French - I read this about 30 years ago in the literature about the intrigues of the Masons (during the years of "perestroika and glasnost" many documents on this subject were opened) ... I won’t recommend you ... maybe if you want, you’ll be interested in yourself ...
                      1. +3
                        8 July 2018 14: 02
                        And in the end?
                        Alsace-Lorraine French territory - historically too. It was the Germans who captured her from the French in 1871.
                        What oil wells do the British have in Europe? Iraq already belonged to them - this is more than enough. And where is the information about the English plans for the redivision of Europe? She's not here.
                        Well, about the Masons - from the cycle of "grandmother's tales."
    3. +6
      8 July 2018 07: 33
      Recently, in many articles on the heroization of the goal, I see only one creation of the image of a decent empire and a bourgeois republic. A direct alternative to the USSR. What can be done with a stretch of information dumping.
      Who needs this? Non-current owners of money. To justify their dominance in the life of the country. They have pushed economic activity. They are also pushing information.

      And what is the FACT do you know?
    4. +9
      8 July 2018 09: 38
      Quote: apro
      In recent years, I have seen only one creation of the image of a decent empire and a bourgeois republic in many articles on the heroization of the PVM goal.

      Deceived by a 70-year-old lie, they open their eyes to the Facts, i.e. The truth about their own country.
      Instead of gratitude, they shout that they .... True, NOT needed! belay fool
      Instead of wanting to know terrible fate trustees of institutions of charity of orphans and institutions after the thief, they are interested in .... the image of bankrupt request

      The fate of the aforementioned holy woman of Russia-Elizabeth Feodorovnaterrible: she died for several days in cruel torment, crippled after her and the other sister of mercy, other people thrown alive into the mine seized power nonhumans. At the same time, she also managed to bandage the other mutilated ones. People died from wounds, hunger and thirst. Terrible death.
      Thanks to the author -for the truth about us
      1. +12
        8 July 2018 09: 55
        Then out of nowhere appeared .... propagandist ...
        I do not consider myself deceived. But objectively assessing RI and PP and the USSR I consider it necessary. Too different civilizational projects. Too different goal setting.
        1. +8
          8 July 2018 10: 33
          Quote: apro
          Then out of nowhere appeared .... propagandist ...

          belay
          Quote: apro
          I do not consider myself deceived. But objectively evaluate ri and pp and the USSR I consider it necessary. too different civilization projects. too different goal setting.

          This is necessary, yes: and the USSR clearly lost:
          1.cm the borders of the Republic of Ingushetia, Republic of Poland and the USSR (RSFSR, RF)
          2.population (population explosion of the early 20th century and your Russian Cross in just 70 years).
          Everything is obvious.
          Substation Respectful. the reasons that prevented the dancer from dancing well are NOT of interest.
          Just the facts.
          1. +11
            8 July 2018 10: 59
            The USSR did not lose, but was betrayed by agents of influence! And now they are trying to defame him. Why are you writing your Russian cross? Are you not us?
            1. +3
              8 July 2018 12: 40
              Quote: Phil77
              The USSR did not lose, but was betrayed by agents of influence

              Yes, he was betrayed. That's just RI betrayed.
            2. +5
              8 July 2018 12: 48
              Quote: Phil77
              The USSR did not lose, but was loyal agents of influence! And now they are trying to defame him. Why are you writing your Russian cross? Are you not us?

              Once again: the explanation of the reasons for the loss is NOT interesting.

              The result is important! And it is 91 g:

              1. Reduced territory of Russia without the so-called Russian territories Ukraine and tens of millions of Russian people. Compare with RUSSIA 1914
              2. Russian Cross. Compare with RUSSIA 1914, where they did not know WHERE to take the land for the rapidly growing Russian people.

              led these "achievements" only ONE force.

              For a comparative assessment, it’s enough for me.

              WHAT is unclear to you?
              1. +7
                8 July 2018 18: 30
                Continuous demagogy! And you did not take into account the population decline after the war, I mean the Great Patriotic War, no matter how much you would like.
                1. +3
                  9 July 2018 06: 12
                  Quote: Phil77
                  Continuous demagogy! And you did not take into account the population decline after the war, I mean the Great Patriotic War, no matter how much you would like.

                  In the 1830s, the years of the demographic catastrophe — what kind of war was raging?
                  And since 1964, when the depopulation (extinction) of the Russian people began, what kind of war was going on?
              2. +1
                8 July 2018 20: 03
                Explaining the reasons for the loss you are not interested in? Yes, you are a Bolshevik so hated by you!
                1. +3
                  9 July 2018 06: 16
                  Quote: Phil77
                  Explain the reasons for the loss you are not interested?

                  Absolutely!
                  Moreover, the Bolsheviks themselves declared only victories in all areas and everywhere.
                  There was no talk of losing! And suddenly, bam!
                  Forgot? Yes
          2. +4
            8 July 2018 11: 03
            One of the facts ---- the Russian Orthodox Church welcomed the power of the Provisional Government. Already wrote those greetings on the books and articles of Babkin, a professor, a doctor of historical sciences, came out in this century. Denikin also mentions similar greetings. So draw conclusions.
          3. +10
            8 July 2018 11: 05
            Olgovich. It does not make sense to enter into a discourse with you. Due to the fact that you do not have a clear and justified position on the civilizational development of the territory called Russia, a conversation between the deaf and the blind is not productive.
            Your conclusions are not substantiated. They are emotional. But to each his own ...
            1. +7
              8 July 2018 11: 29
              Quote: apro
              Olgovich. To enter into a discourse with you does not make sense. In view of that ..... e ...
              And have to, have to. ..... Unfortunately .... Sometimes Olgovich is unusually prolific. ... Here the other day ----- early in the morning ... HORROR! !!!! After all, due to the repetition of many times, someone's brain can fade. ...
            2. +4
              8 July 2018 13: 08
              Quote: apro


              Quote: apro
              Olgovich. It does not make sense to enter into a discourse with you. Due to the fact that you do not have a clear and justified position on the civilizational development of the territory called Russia, a conversation between the deaf and the blind is not productive.
              Yours findings not grounded. they are emotional. but to each his own ...

              What are the "conclusions"? You are given the FACTS.
              And what is “good” and what is “bad” But I hope you will not dispute it?
              1. +8
                8 July 2018 13: 22
                Olgovich. Once again, let’s start from the beginning. What is your beloved Russian civilization project? On the basis of what? Describe the resource base of the territory of Russia. Compared with the leading world players.
                1. +4
                  8 July 2018 13: 42
                  Quote: apro
                  Olgovich. Once again, let’s start from the beginning. What is your beloved Russian civilization project? On the basis of what? Describe the resource base of the territory of Russia. Compared with the leading world players.

                  belay
                  I do not understand, what are you talking about?
                  Oh of Russia from Brest to the Kuril Islands, from N Earth to Kushka.
                  Oh of Russia, where the people grew faster than the Chinese (for 22 years, by FIFTY percent.
                  WHERE is all this after your reign, I ask you?
                  1. +9
                    8 July 2018 14: 02
                    No words ..... propagate further. Gorlopanit your skate.
                    1. +4
                      8 July 2018 15: 09
                      Quote: apro
                      There are no words ....

                      Still would....
                      Against FACTS, no arguing! wassat :
                      Quote: apro
                      propagate further. gorlopanit your skate.

                      And it’s comfortable for you to live in your FABULOUS, never Nonexistent, paradise Yes
                      1. +8
                        8 July 2018 15: 14
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Against FACTS, no arguing! :

                        What facts? Popular prints .....
                    2. +3
                      9 July 2018 06: 22
                      Quote: apro
                      What facts? Popular prints ..

                      belay
                      Repeat again?
                      Remember, finally, burn with a hot iron:
                      1. Yours built today's border of Russia - dropping it to the 17th century.
                      2. Yours built the Russian Cross.!
                      1. +2
                        9 July 2018 15: 00
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Yours built the current border of Russia, discarding it by the 17th century.
                        2. Yours built the Russian Cross.!

                        Vashi-Bialowieza conspiracy in Viskuly.
                        And your Russian cross since 1992. What is the presidential decree.
                        So you should just be silent.
                        In 2007, by decree of the President of the Russian Federation, the “Concept of the demographic policy of the Russian Federation for the period until 2025” was approved. This document states that “since 1992, a steady decline in the population has begun due to the excess of the mortality rate over the birth rate. Over the past 15 years, more than 2 million people died in Russia annually, which is twice as many per 1000 people than in European countries and the USA, one and a half times more than the world average, and were born annually during this period 1,2-1,5 million people. " In this remarkable document, the main reason for the low life expectancy is presented: "high mortality of citizens of working age." Not an eyebrow, but an eye! Something from the series “- What happened to the submarine?” “She drowned.”
                    3. +2
                      9 July 2018 12: 08
                      Quote: apro
                      There are no words ....


                      That's it ...
          4. +7
            8 July 2018 11: 19
            Quote: Olgovich
            Just the facts.

            You do not have facts. There is lies from Kurganov. From Solzhenitsyn, there are, from Conquist and other Russophobes, there are Goebbels, there are no facts.
            The case of Professor Kurganov. Who invented 110 million victims of Stalin?
            http://maxpark.com/community/2042/content/6400882
            # comment_95421056
            Russian cross. Russia we lost
            “Russian Cross” is a phenomenon of the annual excess of the number of deaths over the number of births, observed as a result of falling birth rates and rising mortality. The name gave a graph of the demographic situation: the birth and death curves, drawing closer, intersect and then again diverge like a cross.
            A clear timeline is between 1992 and 1994.https: //eot-leningrad.livejournal.com/10974
            .html
            It is a year after the liquidation of the USSR. And the whole chatter of liberals and pseudo-democrats about the entry of our country into a new era of development and civilization is in fact not just a demagogy, but an informational and ideological war with the people. If we turn to the numbers, then according to Russian experts, Russia lost at least 18 million people, including unborn children who could have been born if the country did not collapse and the terrible worsening living conditions that followed.
            So olgovich, stop lying. You and those like you are guilty of the tragedy of the people, those who served Hitler during the war and those who now serve the interests of the consolidated West.
            Quote: Olgovich
            "Respectful." the reasons that prevented the dancer from dancing well are NOT of interest.

            Of course, the patented Russophobe is not interested in the affairs of his spiritual fathers Hitler and Goebbles, uncles Kurganov and Solzhenitsyn, the main thing is to lie a lot, lie black, lie brazenly.
            1. +6
              8 July 2018 11: 37
              I have already reported to everyone about the article by Academician Gundarov LIBERAL REPRESSIONS IN RUSSIA. It is also possible to W, and other articles on his subject. After this, the cries of Olgovich will only cause laughter.
              1. +7
                8 July 2018 11: 59
                Quote: Reptiloid
                After this, the cries of Olgovich will only cause laughter.

                What was red Russia like? What do we know about her?
                The first new university in Soviet Russia was opened in 1918.
                By the end of the Civil War, more than 60 new universities were opened to train new personnel.
                During the Civil War, an educational program began.
                Only during the life of Lenin was opened 56 research institutes.
                In 1918, in Soviet Russia, they switched from 10,5 to an 8-hour working day.
                During the Civil War, the first power station was built according to the GOERLO plan.
                What was white Russia like?
                In the capital of white Russia, the city of Yekaterinodar, there was one new university - the Konstantinovsky Military School.
                It moved to Ekaterinodar from Petrograd.
                Not a single research institute was open.
                A program similar in scope to the Bolshevik literacy program was not adopted.
                The transition to an 8-hour working day was not made.
                No new power plants appeared.
                But....
                English tanks appeared in the capital of white Russia, Yekaterinodar. Interventors in Sevastopol and Odessa, Arkhangelsk and Baku, in the Far East.
                1. +2
                  8 July 2018 12: 41
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  The first new university in Soviet Russia was opened in 1918

                  And before that, there were no universities?
                  1. +6
                    8 July 2018 12: 58
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    And before that, there were no universities?

                    The question is not what was missing. But what appeared. Will you find it yourself or need help. So that you don't have "puzzled questions"?
                    So be it .. I will help unknowing ..
                    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Категория:Научные_и
                    Institutions, founded in 1918
                    This is so elementary ..
                    1. +2
                      8 July 2018 13: 20
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      The question is not what was missing, but what appeared.

                      Came from the moon? to create a university you need to have an appropriate base, and the Bolsheviks inherited it.
                      1. +5
                        8 July 2018 15: 18
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Came from the moon? to create a university you need to have an appropriate base, and the Bolsheviks inherited it.

                        These mediocrities did not create ANYTHING: ALREADY, the existing units of the Academy of Sciences and Universities were called by other names and ... everything. lol
                        Are they dragging teachers and the base with them from abroad? Or did these ignoramuses themselves begin to teach? lol
                        EVERYTHING was ALREADY created before them. They harvested crops not sown by them.
                        The fact is that ALL scientists of the atomic and missile projects are graduates of IMPERIAL UNIVERSITIES and IMPERIAL teachers .. For example, the same Russian scientists Khlopin, Mysovsky, Ioffe, and Kurchatov-THEIR student
                      2. +6
                        8 July 2018 16: 15
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        to create a university you need to have an appropriate base, and the Bolsheviks inherited it.

                        They inherited what? And who in Ri was prevented from creating what was immediately created under the Reds? Did the Olgovichs interfere or did the Darts not understand what it was about?
                      3. +8
                        8 July 2018 16: 26
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Came from the moon?

                        Probably you and Olgovich da.s from the moon.
                        After all, the facts and arguments of the Olgovich falshak.
                        What ont there muttered about S. Korolev?
                        Now look at the realities.
                        https://24smi.org/celebrity/3744-sergei-korolev.h
                        tml
                        And as if in the parallel universe, the Olgovichi were not looking for a “prosperous empire” in realities. There was no prosperity, but references to brazoyle and his opuses, a pure forgery, not facts.
                        Here is an example that Olgovich always refers to.
                        The methods for calculating Brazol’s “researcher” are terrifying. With this logic, he really needs to graze cows, and not write articles! Maybe there was at least some benefit from him.
                        "In 1894, at the beginning of the reign of Emperor Nicholas II, there were 122 million inhabitants in Russia. 20 years later, on the eve of the First World War, its population increased by 1 million; thus, in Tsarist Russia the population grew by 60 per year. If if the revolution had not happened in 2,400,000, its population would have reached 1917 by 1959. Meanwhile, the current population of the Soviet Union barely exceeds 275,000,000, so that the bloody Soviet experience cost Russia no less than 215,000,000 human lives. " (Brazol)
                        We check it with a method for example Finland.
                        If the real growth rate is not so high, then the whole difference between the real growth and the "alleged" is declared "victims of Bolshevism."
                        To verify the validity of such allegations, we have a simple and clear way. As we know, one of the constituent parts of the Russian Empire, namely Finland, did not fall under the control of the Soviet government. Here for Finland and apply a similar method of calculation:

                        In 1909, 3015,7 thousand people lived in Finland;
                        In 1913 - 3196,7 thousand people.
                        (Russia. 1913. Statistical and documentary reference)

                        Growth during this time:
                        (3196,7-3015,7) / (1913-1909) = 181/4 = 45,25 thousand people a year.
                        That is, while maintaining such an increase by 1960, the population of Finland should be:
                        3196,7+(1960-1913)*45,25=5323,45 тыс. человек.

                        In reality, the population of Finland in 1960 was 4430 thousand people.
                        (Population of the countries of the world / edited by B.T. Urlanis, 1974)

                        That is, the losses amounted to:
                        5323,45-4430 = 893,45 thousand people.
                        And as luck would have it, there are no "bloody Bolsheviks" on whom everything can be blamed.
                        We are also convinced of other countries and come to a conclusion. Olgovich again lied.
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        These mediocrities did not create ANYTHING: ALREADY, the existing units of the Academy of Sciences and Universities were called by other names and ... everything.

                        And here liar could not resist ... well, such is the plan of the patented Russophobe. To lie densely. Blackly and constantly.
                        In the most difficult years of the reflection of the international capitalist intervention of 1918-1920. (at least 14 countries, including all major capitalist countries and participants in the First World War), during the years of struggle with the White Guard armies, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin and Soviet Russia led by him created INSTITUTIONS (!!!), dozens (!! !) scientific centers.
                        Compare the activities of Lenin with the “deeds” of the current liberals and it will become clearer why the poor production of liberal brain-poor is the main production of lies about Lenin and his followers.



                        1918, January - engineer (future academician) G.O. Graftio on behalf of Lenin is developing an estimate for the construction of the Volkhov hydroelectric station.

                        1918, March - Flight science base at hand. Professor Zhukovsky. Collaboration with the Settlement and Testing Bureau at the Higher Technical School (MSTU named after Bauman).

                        1918 - Lenin at a meeting with the Russian scientist Winter asked to begin active work in nuclear energy.

                        1918, March - Lenin's proposal to the Academy of Sciences to organize research in the field of nuclear energy
                        .......
                        ..... etc.
                        https://arctus.livejournal.com/245164.html
                        Refute.
                        For each of the created universities there is a certificate, when, who how.
                        For the development of nuclear energy in Soviet Russia, see “Taming the core. Pages on the history of nuclear weapons and nuclear infrastructure of the USSR "Sarov, Saransk, Printing House" Red October ", 2003.
                        The mention that this industry started in Soviet Russia in 1918 is also in the report
                        "NUCLEAR HERITAGE OF THE USSR", "X Moscow International Historical Model of the UN Russian State Humanitarian University"
                2. +2
                  9 July 2018 08: 54
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  The first new university in Soviet Russia was opened in 1918.
                  By the end of the Civil War, more than 60 new universities were opened to train new personnel.
                  During the Civil War, an educational program began.
                  Only during the life of Lenin was opened 56 research institutes.

                  THREE academicians of the Academy of Sciences of Russia perished from hunger, cold, and executions.
                  Scientists were sent to labor squads, they were not given rations, they were shot and imprisoned. The famous Vernadsky, Oldenburg and others also went through prisons. They wrote tearful letters about the allocation of firewood, food for dying scientists, about the rescue from prisons.
                  From the team of Sikorsky to create "And the Murom" 80 people survived ... 11 people!
                  And even despite these atrocities, science in the USSR has achieved tremendous successes, which speaks of the enormous potential that the Bolsheviks have inherited
                  "Created" "institutions" already existed in the form of units of the Academy of Sciences, KEPS, universities and produced after the VOR THE SAME WORKS, which were engaged before her, read the work of Russian scientists before the thief. .
                  The famous Russian Scientific Center for Radiology and Surgical Technologies was created in 1918 in St. Petersburg on the initiative of prof. Nemyonov Mikhail Isaevich[1] and Academician A.F. Ioffe, . They worked there A.F. Ioffe, G.A. Nadson, G.V. Shora, E.S. London, and also V.I. Vernadsky, P.L. Kapitsa -Russian pre-revolutionary scientists.
                  In 1921, the Institute singled out independent institutions: the State Radiological and Radiological Institute, the Physicotechnical Institute. Academician of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR A.F. Ioffe and Radium Institute Academician of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR. G. Khlopinaas well as the State Optical Institute.
                  RUSSIAN pre-revolutionary scientists worked in them Khlopin. Mysovsky, Chistovich N. Ya., Oppel V.A., Petrov N.N., Dzhenalidze Yu. Yu., Troitsky P.V., Kupalov P.S., London E.S., Nadson G.A., Zavarzin A.A., Garshin V.G., Anichkov N.N., Shor G.V., Zolotukhin A. S. et al.

                  Buildings, equipment-built, also BEFORE you. Then you began to build. And without you, they built. And they would build on.

                  YOU DO WHAT: they hung up plates and armed the Marx scientists. ideology? Bring scientists from YOUR Switzerland? fool lol Or, ignoramus, have you gone?
                  "Organizers" s ..... lol
                  1. +4
                    9 July 2018 08: 59
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    The famous Russian Scientific Center for Radiology and Surgical Technologies was created in 1918 in St. Petersburg on the initiative of prof. Nemyonov Mikhail Isaevich [1] and Academician A. F. Ioffe,. There worked A.F. Ioffe, G.A. Nadson, G.V. Shora, E.S. London, as well as V.I. Vernadsky, P.L. Kapitsa -Russian pre-revolutionary scientists.
                    In 1921, the Institute singled out independent institutions: the State Radiological and Radiological Institute (the successor of which is FGU RSCRHT), the Physicotechnical Institute named after Academician of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR A.F. Ioffe and Radium Institute Academician of the USSR Academy of Sciences V. G. Khlopin, as well as the State Optical Institute.
                    RUSSIAN PRE-REVOLUTIONARY scholars Khlopin worked in them. Mysovsky, Chistovich N. Ya., Oppel V.A., Petrov N.N., Dzhenalidze Yu. Yu., Troitsky P.V., Kupalov P.S., London E.S., Nadson G.A., Zavarzin A.A., Garshin V.G., Anichkov N.N., Shor G.V., Zolotukhin A.S. and others. Read the works of these scientists: BEFORE the Thief, they did the same thing as after.

                    How loud, well, straightforward, you’ve got hysterical ... you yourself read what you write?
                    Why didn’t all this be done in 1913?
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Buildings, equipment-built, also BEFORE you. Then you began to build. It would have been built without you.

                    So, without you they built a lot and qualitatively, you only destroy what has been done before you. Olgovich, your delights from the parallel universe amuse.
                    The story took place as it took place and there is no place for your gingerbread empire in it.
                    Try in France to call their Great Revolution somehow derogatory; they will look at you as a very near person, So in the case of the Great Russian Revolution, you are forever the day before yesterday ...
                    1. +4
                      9 July 2018 09: 31
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      Why didn’t all this be done in 1913?

                      Everything was. BEFORE you are scientists, buildings, equipment, staff. . Of you, NO one scientist was not ignorant. Oh yes, the names were given and the plates were hung good lol
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      So, without you they built a lot and qualitatively, you only destroy what has been done before you. Olgovich, your delights from the parallel universe amuse.

                      Your wretched Claims on the "creation" of the Vernadsky, Ioffe, Tupolev, Zhukovsky - pitiful and ridiculous.
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      The story took place as it took place and there is no place in it your gingerbread empire.

                      A miserable cry is heard from Landfill Stories. lol How is it, by the way? hi
                      1. +2
                        9 July 2018 09: 42
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        A miserable cry is heard from the dump of History.

                        Yours? Yes .. heart-rending pitiful cry. Continue.
                        And at the same time this is another blow to your fantasies.
                        "A.N. Naumov, the former Samara provincial leader of the nobility, recalled:“ From the late autumn of 1914 we began to receive from the front sad letters of soldiers - natives of the Samara province, as well as those belonging to those military units that were in the city of Samara before the war Judging by their reports, every day, as the harsh winter time approached, their position in positions became more difficult and caused a number of complaints on their part about the lack of warm clothes, shoes, linen, etc. "[85] The Supreme Commander-in-Chief Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolayevich complained that he was forced to stop military operations not only by the lack of shells, but also by the lack of boots.86 The defeatist mood began to appear on the front.The Chief of the General Staff, General N.N. Yanushkevich wrote on December 6, 1914 to Minister of War V. A. Sukhomlinov: “A lot of people freeze their feet without boots, without short fur coats or quilted jackets, they start to catch a cold. As a result, where the officers were killed, mas Soviet surrender, sometimes at the initiative of warrant officers. The Cossacks, who repulsed 500 prisoners with an attack, the latter scolded: "Who you Herods asked: again we do not want to starve and freeze" "http://istmat.info/node/54234
                        You have to study. Besides, through and through false sources, you wanted to say with your soul ... but it is not there, there is nothing at all worth paying attention to, as something worthy of attention.
                      2. +4
                        9 July 2018 14: 06
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Everything was. BEFORE you are scientists, buildings, equipment, staff. . Of you, NO one scientist was not ignorant. Oh yes, the names were given and the plates were hung

                        Do not jerk. Soviet power in 1918 opened the way to universities for youth from workers and peasant families, and in 7 years it raised a galaxy of young scientists. Even your Wikipedia cannot keep silent.
                        "Since 1918, research institutes began to be created in the Academy system, in particular the Physicotechnical, Physicomathematical, Institute of Physicochemical Analysis, Radium Institute. The number of scientific employees of the Academy by 1925 increased by 4 times compared with 1917. "
                    2. +3
                      9 July 2018 10: 17
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      "A.N. Naumov, the former Samara provincial leader of the nobility, recalled:“ From the late autumn of 1914 we began to receive from the front sad letters of soldiers - natives of the Samara province, as well as those belonging to those military units that were in the city of Samara before the war Judging by their reports, every day, as the harsh winter time approached, their position in positions became more difficult and caused a number of complaints on their part about the lack of warm clothes, shoes, linen, etc. "[85] The Supreme Commander-in-Chief Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolayevich complained that he was forced to stop military operations not only by the lack of shells, but also by the lack of boots.86 The defeatist mood began to appear on the front.The Chief of the General Staff, General N.N. Yanushkevich wrote on December 6, 1914 to Minister of War V. A. Sukhomlinov: “A lot of people freeze their feet without boots, without short fur coats or quilted jackets, they start to catch a cold. As a result, where the officers were killed, mas Soviet surrender, sometimes at the initiative of warrant officers. The Cossacks, who repulsed 500 prisoners with an attack, the latter scolded: "Who you Herods asked: again we do not want to starve and freeze" "http://istmat.info/node/54234
                      You have to study. Besides, through and through false sources, you wanted to say with your soul ... but it is not there, there is nothing at all worth paying attention to, as something worthy of attention.

                      What is this nonsense? belay fool
                      1. +2
                        9 July 2018 10: 19
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        This nonsense

                        Yours? Really what?
                        You are telling fairy tales to all about the jelly rivers and gingerbread shores in Ri, to you by the fact that you’re lying about your face. So why are you trying to fool people for the truth of dubious sense, contrary to the REALITIES of that time?
                    3. +3
                      9 July 2018 11: 23
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      Your? Really what?

                      Your. I’m writing YOU, a swordsman, a biden, or whatever you are. Learn finally personal pronouns!
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      You are all here Tales talk about the jelly rivers and gingerbread banks in Ri, to you by the fact that you’re lying about your face. So why are you trying to fool people for the truth of dubious sense, contrary to the REALITIES of that time?

                      I bring facts and only facts. From which it disturbs you.
                      Paul your leadership in Russia died of hunger more than 10 million people in peace time with cannibalism and corpse eating. This was not in Russia never! Only with you.
                      Hence your Russian cross. And today's borders of Russia of the 17th century, you chopped.
                      That’s your whole sentence. Yes
                      1. +3
                        9 July 2018 11: 59
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Hence your Russian cross. And today's borders of Russia of the 17th century

                        Your VISCULES, your Belovezhsky criminal conspiracy. Your liberal criminal policy regarding the history of the country.
                        Your tendency is to lie, using materials from Goebbels to the ends of his various servants. Kurgan, for example, or Anglo-Saxon Conquist liars.
                        So everything else, including the Russian cross, has been yours since 1992.
                        So you should just be silent.
                        In 2007, by decree of the President of the Russian Federation, the “Concept of the demographic policy of the Russian Federation for the period until 2025” was approved. This document states that “since 1992, a steady decline in the population has begun due to the excess of the mortality rate over the birth rate. Over the past 15 years, more than 2 million people died in Russia annually, which is twice as many per 1000 people than in European countries and the USA, one and a half times more than the world average, and were born annually during this period 1,2-1,5 million people. " In this remarkable document, the main reason for the low life expectancy is presented: "high mortality of citizens of working age." Not an eyebrow, but an eye! Something from the series “- What happened to the submarine?” “She drowned.”
                      2. +4
                        9 July 2018 13: 51
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Paul, your leadership in Russia, starved to death more than 10 million people in peacetime, with cannibalism and carnivore. This has never happened in Russia! Only with you.

                        Enough to speculate on this already, you think that we do not understand anything, and we can hang noodles on our ears.
                        The fact is that in the USSR archives retained huge amounts of statistics, including the famine of the Soviet period. But in the Russian Empire, there is a problem with archives, since statistics are extremely scarce, fragmentary and do not cover the entire period of the country's existence.
                        But, if there is no statistics, then this does not mean that in the Russian Empire there was no hunger, no corpse eating. Everything was, and writers and contemporaries wrote about it. Read Leskov, Korolenko and others. Moreover, all these authors describe not about isolated random events, but about the constant and severe hunger in the Russian village.
                        Statistics is a weapon of politics, and anti-Soviet politics too. Why do not you today discuss the topic of hunger in Western Europe, and around the world in the 30s. Alas, you do not want to, this is politics, now it is beneficial for you to discuss this topic in the USSR.
                    4. +4
                      9 July 2018 12: 46
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      Your VISKULI, your Belovezhsky criminal conspiracy

                      belay lol
                      There they wrote and signed YOUR highest comm. functionaries, the purest, your reference products educational, propaganda, party system.
                      There were no others either there or in the previous regime. Only you.
                      Shame .... negative
                      1. 0
                        9 July 2018 15: 04
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Disgrace

                        Yours. One of the kulak family, the second of the youth of the UPA conductors, the third of the talkers-intellectuals.
                        And the fact that the highest party nomenclature has degenerated, we know without you. As we know that part of the current quasi-elite. Which even this, until 1985, is not suitable for soles, absolutely useless. Illiterate and deceitful.
                  2. +3
                    9 July 2018 13: 59
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Scientists were sent to labor squads, they were not given rations, they were shot and imprisoned. XNUMX

                    And then whistle.
                    Already in 1918, the old Academy of Sciences, renamed from “imperial” to “Russian,” began to cooperate with the new government. The funding of the Academy went through the People's Commissariat for Education and the Central Commission for the Improvement of the Life of Scientists.
                    All who wanted to start work, some built a hydroelectric power station, others built planes, others even sent them on creative business trips abroad. There were also those who preferred to trade matches in the bazaar
                    1. +4
                      9 July 2018 15: 08
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      And then whistle.

                      Refute. FACTS BY FACTS, NOT CHAT
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      Already in 1918, the old Academy of Sciences, renamed from “imperial” to “Russian,” began to cooperate with the new government. The funding of the Academy went through the People's Commissariat for Education and the Central Commission for the Improvement of the Life of Scientists.

                      AN rejected Bolshevism in full.
                      And only then, after starvation deaths, executions, seeing that the government was not leaving, they decided to serve Russia. NOT power.
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      All who wanted, began work, some were building hydroelectric power stations, others were aircraft, and others were even sent on creative business trips abroad. There were also those who preferred to trade matches in the bazaar

                      Your hypocrisy and cynicism with sadism just rolls over: people had one choice: either die of hunger or go to service.

                      Once again: scientists, buildings, equipment of laboratories, personnel, topics, works, areas of work, universities, one of the best higher education in the world - ALL of this was and worked BEFORE YOU.
                      Chop on your forehead!

                      According to statistics: in the Republic of Ingushetia it WAS, but that nonsense that in the USSR was called "statistics" could not be called.
                      In RI, writers, journalists, EVERYONE who wanted to wrote about hunger.
                      You, the worst in the WORLD famine of 1933, did NOT officially ANYWHERE at all!
                      How can this be justified ?! No shame, no conscience!
                      1. +3
                        9 July 2018 20: 27
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Your hypocrisy and cynicism with sadism just rolls over: people had one choice: either die of hunger or go to service.

                        What nonsense are you talking about? You have a sick imagination, where and what hypocrisy with cynicism have you seen? In the fairest law: who does not work, does not eat?
                        Then what are your principles for which you advocate: return the former privileges to the elect so that they can parasitize others?
                      2. +1
                        10 July 2018 15: 44
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        And at that time, in REAL life, MILLIONS died of starvation (not a word said a word!), And ANY careless word was even worth life.

                        Again, the accusations, we have already turned them down hundreds of times, but let my question pass by. So
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Then what are your principles for which you advocate: return the former privileges to the elect so that they can parasitize others?
                    2. +3
                      10 July 2018 08: 13
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      What nonsense are you talking about? You have a sick imagination, where and what hypocrisy with cynicism have you seen?

                      And hypocrisy, and sadism, and the most terrible cynicism: in your parallel DEAL reality, fat collective farmers rejoiced ("wealthy people", according to VKPBE) in the 1930s, there were freedom of speech, assembly. societies (constitution 1936).
                      And at that time, in REAL life, MILLIONS died of starvation (not a word said a word!), And ANY careless word was even worth life.
                      And for you this is .... fine! fool negative
                      1. +1
                        11 July 2018 11: 13
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Meanwhile, in REAL life, MILLIONS died

                        From 1992 to 1999, yes, millions died. Yes and were not born. The same millions, from your cannibalistic policy.
                  3. 0
                    28 August 2018 20: 13
                    Another one imagines himself a "baker".
                    Ugh, these "facts" of yours do not cover up the main thing - the absence of a state system for supervision and assistance to orphans.
                    And in general, all your articles clearly give out either your engagement or your extremely limited horizons.
                    Choose for yourself: You are either a paid agent or a dumbass.
            2. +2
              8 July 2018 12: 55
              Quote: The Swordsman
              You do not have facts. There is lies from Kurganov. From Solzhenitsyn, there are, from Conquist and other Russophobes, there are Goebbels, there are no facts.

              According to your ingenious fool logic, all who are against the scoop are liberals? Turn on your brains a bit! All your thunder and lightning - past the cash register: Olgovich hi - classic imperial, and commie am criticizes from imperial positions, but not from liberal ones!
              1. +7
                8 July 2018 13: 24
                Quote: Weyland
                By your ingenious logic, are all those who are against the scoop liberals?

                I can call it cooler, it's a pity the moderator. According to the Rules, it will not be missed. But it is already clear who all the anti-linkers are. Anticommunists and others ...
                "Why is anti-Sovietism so tenacious and so necessary? In my opinion, this is a political issue. The Soviet Union, in my opinion, was the pinnacle of Russian Eurasian civilization ... It is clear that the Soviet Union is still a kind of example for the possible revival of the Russian Federation. It is clear that it must be destroyed, yes, they didn’t even hide it ... One of the means of destruction is to destroy the memory of the Soviet Union, by the way, first of all, in Russia ”, K. Shakhnazarov. https: //regnum.ru/news/24369
                96.html
                “Self-flagellation has always been inherent in the Russian mentality, and it especially flourished with the beginning of perestroika. Any attempt to debunk the heroic pages of our history began to be seen as a contribution to the fight against the hated communist regime. It penetrated the pores of our public life, became everyday life. Then it will be very difficult to uproot total anti-Sovietism, which in twenty-five years has gained a powerful root system, but it will certainly have to be done. We will not be able to exist in a situation of complete historical injustice. "V. Menshov.
                You then obviously have no relation to these very talented people, for that you are mired in Russophobia, so do not play around.
                However, who is Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya for you?
                Olgovich is a classic anti-Soviet. Mired in Russophobia.
                1. +3
                  8 July 2018 17: 19
                  Swordsman, In many ways you are right, but anti-Sovietism and Russophobia are different things.
                  For me, Trotsky and K are the FIRST Russophobes! How much they killed the people!
                  1. +4
                    8 July 2018 17: 32
                    Quote: Royalist
                    For me, Trotsky and K

                    But you do not confuse Trotsky and his accomplices with everyone else and do not attribute this demon to the Bolsheviks in particular and the USSR in general, he and his accomplices answered for everything.
                    1. +2
                      8 July 2018 17: 42
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      Quote: Royalist
                      For me, Trotsky and K

                      But you do not confuse Trotsky and his accomplices with everyone else and do not attribute this demon to the Bolsheviks in particular and the USSR in general, he and his accomplices answered for everything.

                      Fighter, have you tried to put commas?
                      And then you .. are incomprehensible request
                      1. +6
                        8 July 2018 17: 49
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        And then you .. are incomprehensible

                        For that, you are understandable and absolutely uninteresting.
                      2. +1
                        8 July 2018 17: 51
                        Quote: The Swordsman
                        For that

                        * written together
                        Quote: The Swordsman
                        absolutely uninteresting

                        So do not meddle then ...
                        Note - I do not touch you yet .. ryppka laughing
                      3. +5
                        8 July 2018 18: 00
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        written together

                        Especially for the flooder made a mistake, keep on talking.
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Note - I do not touch you yet .. ryppka

                        Rudeness is your destiny, uninteresting.
                2. +1
                  9 July 2018 15: 55
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  However, who is Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya for you?
                  Olgovich is a classic anti-Soviet. Mired in Russophobia.

                  For me (I’m sure that for Olgovich, as well as for any other imperial), Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya hi - the heroine who gave her life for her homeland. Which does not cancel our hatred of Lenin am To Trotsky am and others like them! And to blame the Imperials for Russophobia - only a communist can think of such insanity!
                  With Menshov hi I agree with the cavity - for everything they said is directly related to the liberals am , but certainly not to the Imperials. Can't you see the difference between the well-deserved and constructive criticism of the Soviet reality by the imperials - and the sweeping harassment of it by the liberals?
                  1. +3
                    9 July 2018 16: 23
                    Quote: Weyland
                    Which does not cancel our hatred of Lenin

                    You look in your hatred do not choke.
                    Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya believed the ideals of Lenin, and not your rotten dreams.
                    Quote: Weyland
                    And to blame the Imperials for Russophobia - only a communist can think of such insanity!

                    Every anti-Soviet -anitcommunist-ALWAYS Russophobe.
                    You deny the achievements of the USSR, then you deny the feat of the Russian people.
                    A feat made without you, contrary to you, and instead of you, you are not needed, useless and treacherous in fact a stratum of society.
                    Quote: Weyland
                    Do you really not see the difference between the well-deserved and constructive criticism of Soviet reality by the imperials - and the sweeping harassment of it by the liberals?

                    I see your sweeping, insolent, black slander about the history of Russia, which has existed for almost 70 years in the form of the USSR.
                    You have no criticism, you have malicious criticism insisted on the poison of the Solzhenitsyn. Conquists and other liberal, Nazi and Anglo-Saxon public.
                    You celebrate on May 9, 1945, grinding your teeth, barely holding back hatred, draping the Mausoleum. At the foot of which the shameful banners of your patrons were thrown. You and November 7 hold a parade in honor of the Parade to commemorate the Great Russian Revolution, grinding your teeth and twisting with hatred, but you are forced to do this, otherwise you will simply be swept out of the country, if you encroach on these truly holy symbols for every Russian citizen.
                    An imperial renegade, an imperial scopian, an inadequate imperial, with a clear pro-Western lining of his calculations, who does not understand the inseparability of the history of Russia, cannot be a patriot of Russia, this applies to all those who consider RI as a kind of "highest" achievement of Russian history and its embodiment in the most mediocre and useless last Romanov.
                    1. 0
                      9 July 2018 17: 19
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      Every anti-Soviet -anitcommunist-ALWAYS Russophobe.

                      the arrogant and cynical lies of the Communists! stop
                      Statement from the series: "Hitler pressed homosexuals, which means that any homophobe is a supporter of fascism!"
                      And were all the leaders of the white movement Russophobia? laughing
                      1. +2
                        9 July 2018 20: 34
                        Quote: Weyland
                        And were all the leaders of the white movement Russophobia?

                        Absolutely everything, because they all advocated that the Russian people again be driven into a stall, so that again it could be parasitized.
                      2. 0
                        11 July 2018 11: 15
                        Quote: Weyland
                        Statement from the series: "Hitler pressed homosexuals, which means that any homophobe is a supporter of fascism!"

                        One of the closest associates of Hitler-REM, an open homosexual. Goering drug addict. You obviously didn’t take those leaders into the authorities.
                        Quote: Weyland
                        Every anti-Soviet -anitcommunist-ALWAYS Russophobe.
                        Yes, my phrase in your presentation in relation to you and Olgovich is as true as ever. Every anti-Soviet inevitably slides into the position of open Russophobia.
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              3. +7
                8 July 2018 18: 34
                Quote: Weyland
                : Olgovich hi - classic imperial, and commie am criticizes from imperial positions, but not from liberal ones!
                Now, perhaps, Olgovich, what kind of Moldavian ruler, or, almost sovereign. And he suffers at the time when his estate could be equal to the province, or to several, but when he would flog people at the stable
                1. +1
                  9 July 2018 16: 03
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  .A he suffers in those times when his estate could be equal to the province, or to several, but when he would flog people at the stable

                  You actually know that in the White Army only 2% were from the propertied classes - and the bulk did not fight for privileges. But for freedom from Bolshevik slavery? VKP (b) = second serfdom (Bolsheviks)
                  1. +1
                    9 July 2018 16: 23
                    Quote: Weyland
                    - and the bulk did not fight for privileges. But for freedom from Bolshevik slavery? VKP (b) = second serfdom (Bolsheviks)

                    Idle talk, absolutely not supported by any facts.
                    1. 0
                      9 July 2018 17: 21
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      Idle talk, absolutely not supported by any facts.

                      This applies 100% to your application:
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      Every anti-Soviet -anitcommunist-ALWAYS Russophobe.
                      1. +1
                        11 July 2018 11: 17
                        Quote: Weyland
                        Sweetheart
                        Every anti-Soviet -anitcommunist-ALWAYS Russophobe.

                        My phrase is absolutely true and confirmed many times by the Novodzhovsrkys and Latin, Svanidzy and Conquists. Solzhenitsyns and Suvrovs, Shulgins and others — a visual confirmation of what I said.
                  2. +3
                    9 July 2018 20: 41
                    Quote: Weyland
                    You actually know that in the White Army only 2% were representatives of the propertied classes - and the bulk did not fight for privileges. But for freedom from Bolshevik slavery? VKP (b) = second serfdom (Bolsheviks)

                    What nonsense are you talking about? There is a mistake in your Goebbels training manual: in 1918-1922 there was still no CPSU (B.), And if you mean collective farms by the second serfdom, then they also did not exist. So cool down a bit, otherwise you completely lost your head from hate.
                    And about the propertied classes. The rich were accustomed to raking the heat with the wrong hands, they mobilized peasants into the white army who did not want to fight for them, because the white army and melted away in the civil war.
                    1. +1
                      9 July 2018 22: 43
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      they mobilized peasants into the white army who did not want to fight for them, because the white army melted in the civil war.

                      The White Army was voluntary - these are commies in their army who rowed everyone under the threat of execution!
                    2. +2
                      10 July 2018 15: 50
                      Quote: Weyland
                      The White Army was voluntary - these are commies in their army who rowed everyone under the threat of execution!

                      In 1918, the White Army couldn’t even recruit two thousand, and then they began to mobilize under the threat of execution, but the white army fled, and the Communists had a 5 millionth army, which didn’t, because every fighter of the Red Army knew why fighting because such a number of executions can not be held.
            3. +5
              8 July 2018 13: 52
              Quote: The Swordsman
              You do not have facts. There is lies from Kurganov. From Solzhenitsyn, there are, from Conquist and other Russophobes, there are Goebbels, there are no facts.

              The facts are given:
              1.Russia cropped you to the borders of the 17th century
              2. Russian Cross built single-handedly you.
              Quote: The Swordsman
              Of course, the patented Russophobe not interested the affairs of his spiritual fathers


              Certainly not interested. ALL rulers of Russia had their Napoleons, Carls, and Fredericks.

              BUT there was NO SUCH loss with anyone:

              1. Russian territories (YOUR gifts to "Ukraine")
              2. Russian people.

              Not with anyone. Only with you!
              Got it ?.
              1. +7
                8 July 2018 16: 29
                Quote: Olgovich
                Russia circumcised by you to the borders of the 17th century

                You in Viskuly in 1991.
                Quote: Olgovich
                . Russian territories (YOUR gifts to "Ukraine")

                To list gifts of tsars to Ukraine? And to remind that the USSR was a part of the USSR, and the USSR is Historical Russia. So Mr. Russophobe, be silent.
                Quote: Olgovich
                Russian people

                Which you have been since 1992. without volyn, you have reduced in number by 32 million, taking into account Belarus and Ukraine. Kazakhstan and other adjacent independent quasi-states.
                Quote: Olgovich
                Not with anyone. Only with you!

                It is with you. And with no one else.
                Quote: Olgovich
                Got it ?.

                The fact that you always lie is clear to everyone for a long time. The Conquists-Brazoli, Kurganov-Vishnevsky and other Esvanidzas are what your constant lie is based on.
                1. +4
                  9 July 2018 06: 38
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  You in Viskuly in 1991.

                  YOU in 1917, 22, 24, 38, 54 and in 91, YOU too, there were NO others.
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  Gifts of kings to Ukraine to list?

                  What is Ukraine under the kings? fool lol Have something to drink!
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  And recall that the USSR was part of the USSR, and the USSR and there is historical Russia. So Mr. Russophobe, be silent.

                  \ country name Russia YOU, Russophobes, WIPED off the map of the world for 70 years. And it was YOU who established sovereign states on its territory
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  Which you have been since 1992. without volyn, you have reduced in number by 32 million, taking into account Belarus and Ukraine. Kazakhstan and other adjacent independent quasi-states.

                  The Russian Cross was built by YOU by 1992. and you built it all seventy years
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  It is with you. And with no one else

                  ONLY with YOU and no one else
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  The fact that you always lie is clear to everyone for a long time. The Conquists-Brazoli, Kurganov-Vishnevsky and other Esvanidzas are what your constant lie is based on.

                  You
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  always lying, everyone has long dreamed.

                  And ignorance and lies
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  this is what your constant lie is based on.
                  .
                  Lying on a lie and driving a lie Yes
                  1. +1
                    9 July 2018 16: 24
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Lying on a lie and driving a lie

                    You and Weyland.
                    Absolutely true recognition of its role in this place and at this time.
                    1. +2
                      10 July 2018 08: 21
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      You and Weyland.
                      Absolutely true recognition of its role in this place and at this time.

                      Refute at least ONE given factliar.
                      You-no, um, lol You can not lol
                2. +3
                  9 July 2018 16: 04
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  By you in Viskuly in 1991

                  EBN am which party did he make and career? And wasn’t he, Mr. Iaz, the Ipatiev House blown up at one time?
                  1. +2
                    9 July 2018 16: 38
                    Quote: Weyland
                    EBN in which party was and made a career?

                    Yeltsin quit the CPSU in 1989. Once he quit, what kind of communist is he? And he wasn’t him, son of a fist.
                    Ipatiev’s house was blown up ... and what? You still shock the bones in Petropavlovka, not belonging to the Romanovs.
                    Citizen Romanov from the time of abdication, was an ordinary citizen of Russia, nothing more and his fault in what happened where is how big, a rag and the most useless ruler, along with Gorbachev and Yeltsin. anti-Soviet .... then Nicholas is useless, then Solzhenitsyn, then Akhedzhakova ...

                    Neither the leadership of the Russian Church, nor representatives of the Romanov clan came to the pathos burial of the Yekaterinburg remains in the Peter and Paul Cathedral in St. Petersburg in 1998. Moreover, then Patriarch Alexy II took the word from Boris Yeltsin that he would not call the remains royal, and the president kept this word. There are purely scientific contradictions. Professor Lev Zhivotovsky, Head of the Center for DNA-Human Identification, Institute of General Genetics named after Vavilova, conducted his own independent examinations at two institutes in America, comparing the DNA of the sister of Queen Elizabeth Feodorovna with the remains found in Porosyonkov Log. The analysis showed that they have nothing in common. A similar result was given by DNA analysis of the remains considered to be the remains of Nicholas II, with the genes of his own nephew Tikhon Nikolayevich Kulikovsky-Romanov.

                    http://kolokolrussia.ru/duhovne-skrep/taynaya-pro
                    verka-carskih-ostankov-porodila-doubt-eniya-pravosl
                    avnh # hcq = Qm65jXq
                    So who are you “glorifying” here? Will I take Nemtsov? And Nemtsov and comrades, a friend of all imperials? Your friends are strange however ..
                    1. +1
                      9 July 2018 17: 25
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      Ipatiev’s house was blown up ... and what? You still shock the bones in Petropavlovka, not belonging to the Romanovs.

                      "When you speak, the impression is that you are raving!" (c) What relation does the explosion of Ipatiev’s house have to the problem of finding and identifying the remains of the Holy Martyrs? That's right - no!
                      And since when did Nemtsov am - a friend of all imperials? You were interested in the opinion of the imperials themselves about Nemtsov?
                    2. +2
                      10 July 2018 08: 41
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      Yeltsin quit the CPSU in 1989. Once he quit, what kind of communist is he?

                      He quit the party in the middle 1990 gignoramus And he came out not because he was against her, but we read: " In connection with the election of the Chairman of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR"because he cannot be a member of any party.
                      Chop on your forehead!
                      And before that, he was the top party contributor to TENS of years and led the country to a disaster 91g-led by the Communist Party.
                      Like Kravchuk and Shushkevich.
                      By the way, that, allegedly, is not yours, this is not yours ... WHERE AND WHERE IS YOURS ?! And Where were these steel, unbending Leninists hiding, who throughout history, as it were, only did that they defeated the Trotskyists, opportunists, deviators, etc.?
                      Shaking with fear, Yanaev is your partner, right? lol laughing
                      1. +3
                        10 July 2018 21: 48
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        ..... Chop on your forehead!lol laughing
                        Just now, Alexander Green praised Olgovich that he began to write correctly ----- and everything returned !!!!!!
                        ??? This is probably the substitute Olgovich went to work.
                  2. +3
                    9 July 2018 20: 47
                    Quote: Weyland
                    EBN in which party was and made a career? And wasn’t he, Mr. Iaz, the Ipatiev House blown up at one time?

                    So he will be from Vashensky, from fists. This is just a very good illustration of how the enemies of socialism made their way to the supreme power and how they then destroyed the very system of Soviet power. I think that Olgievich will no longer laugh at the previously quoted words that the bourgeoisie is sneaking to power. By the way, V.I. Lenin warned.
                    1. +1
                      9 July 2018 22: 41
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      So he will be from Vashensky, from fists.

                      why would any kind of fist be "nashensky" for a hereditary nobleman?
                      1. +3
                        10 July 2018 15: 29
                        Quote: Weyland
                        why would any kind of fist be "nashensky" for a hereditary nobleman?

                        And then whose kaulak is it really Soviet? Do not tell my slippers! For the nobles, the kulaks were a support in the villages and kept the rural community in obedience. Or is your high-ranking already disdain them?
                    2. +2
                      10 July 2018 08: 55
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      So he will be from Vashensky, from fists. This is just a very good illustration of how the enemies of socialism made their way to the supreme power and how they then destroyed the very system of Soviet power.

                      Of Vashensky-born at YOU, YOU brought him up at school, institute, YOU took him to the Komsomol, the party, YOU checked him, taught "Bolshevism" and appointed him higher and higher.
                      If he "made his way" and "made his way", then what then did yours stand and stand? Nothing, just loshki who twisted who wanted and how he wanted. WHAT could they direct? fool
                      By the way, and your "real" communists, yours, why didn’t they move, huh? Was there a deficit, like in tights? lol
                      Shame .....
                      1. +3
                        10 July 2018 15: 33
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Shame .....

                        Nah, my friend, this is your uproot, his grandfather and father supported you and spoke out against the collective farms, then your father fled to the city, got a job in a factory and disguised himself, and taught his son like that. All his nature crawled out in 1991.
                        And for a better understanding of the issue, in order to improve your skills, read spyware at your leisure, then you will understand how difficult it is to catch spies.
                    3. +3
                      11 July 2018 10: 18
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      Nah, my friend, this is your uproot, his grandfather and father supported you and spoke out against the collective farms, then your father fled to the city, got a job at a factory and disguised asand son so taught. All his nature crawled out in 1991.

                      In what you trampled comm education, propaganda, school, the Komsomol, the party, organs, newspapers! lol NOTHING, it turns out (in your opinion Yes ), you weren’t worth it and you could NOTHING ANYTHING: whoever wanted, that one, ALONE and turned you and jammed-as he wanted lol laughing
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      then you’ll understand how difficult it is to catch spies.

                      Well, what are you: traitor spies Germany (they are your very first "people's commissars of defense") Dybenko, Krylenko, A-Ovseenko, etc. Peters-exposed very quickly: all trials for each went exactly ....20 minutes-for prosecution, defense, debate, sentence, appeal and approval lol Yes
                      You do NOT know Stalin justice properly.
                      Shame ....
                      1. +2
                        11 July 2018 12: 53
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Where did you trample comm education, propaganda, school, the Komsomol, the party, organs, newspapers

                        The hunchbacked grave will correct you there, too, just as you weren’t brought up, and the Soviet man didn’t work out of you, so did Yeltsin. I wrote to you that it’s very difficult to uncover the enemy. Member of the Politburo Yakovlev, General Kulagin were recruited under Khrushchev, and they were discovered only in the 90s.
                        I also know firsthand about Stalinist justice, from my parents, from my teachers and commanders. It was fair, they dealt with each, they justified many, but there were pests in law enforcement agencies who cooked up the cases and filed them so convincingly that it was impossible to figure it out. For the umpteenth time, I repeat to you that the time will come and the commission of professional Soviet historians will understand all this many-toned lies that your brethren inflicted on our Soviet History.
      2. +5
        8 July 2018 18: 39
        Quote: Olgovich
        Thanks to the author -for the truth about us

        Or I didn’t understand what, or Olgovich hints at his kinship .... ??????
    5. 0
      8 July 2018 17: 06
      Apro, you want to say that Oleinev consciously invented all this?
    6. 0
      23 July 2018 12: 58
      Quote: apro
      Recently, in many articles on the heroization of the goal, I see only one creation of the image of a decent empire and a bourgeois republic. A direct alternative to the USSR. What can be done with a stretch of information dumping.
      Who needs this? Non-current owners of money. To justify their dominance in the life of the country. They have pushed economic activity. They are also pushing information.

      Do not look for a black cat in a dark room when it is not. These are simply facts of history about which it was not customary to speak in Soviet times. And by the way, the USSR continued the tradition of caring for military children, I am talking about the creation of Suvorov and Nakhimov schools.
  3. +5
    8 July 2018 07: 34
    A very interesting and little-known aspect of the activities of our state during the WWII
    Thank you for the article
    1. +4
      8 July 2018 08: 15
      Quote: heavy division
      A very interesting and little-known aspect of the activities of our state during the WWII
      Thank you for the article
      I am joining. But after all, both numbers and exact places are needed. Where exactly besides Moscow were such institutions? Their number and the number of children in them. How did the children get there? Where are they from?
      1. +5
        8 July 2018 11: 48
        Where exactly besides Moscow were such institutions

        The article is about the Department for the Guardianship of Children of Warriors under the Committee of the Grand Duchess Elizabeth Fedorovna.
        How did the children get there? Where are they from?

        I quote from the article
        Who were the pets of the Department? First, the children of warriors who fell in the battle for the Motherland. Secondly, children, the fate of whose parents is unknown - for example, the father went missing or was captured, and the mother perished during the "refugee" or during the bombing.


        The schools trained not only the children of soldiers, but also “peaceful” children, as well as children who managed to visit the army as volunteers and even earned military awards. Children under the age of 16 were not allowed into the army, but there were a lot of such volunteers in the latter. They began to be seconded to Moscow and sent to these schools - with the prospect of continuing education at the expense of the state. So, at the beginning of 1916, out of 70 recent youth volunteers tutored only by the Moscow Committee, 10 were already studying at the gymnasiums, and a few more at the Komissarov and Stroganov School of Fine Arts


        Orphans and not only orphans. First of all - the children of warrior heroes
  4. +9
    8 July 2018 08: 59
    You will read a similar article and think, well, the fabulous life was in the Russian Empire, and here, bang, revolution! So it may have come from the fact that they began to fight for the interests of French banks, that the Grand Dukes stole very noticeably on military orders, that slightly rotted the empire, and the life of an ordinary people, was not as sweet as they describe it now; otherwise, how could it be explained by the collective insanity of the people ?!
    1. +8
      8 July 2018 09: 06
      Quote: Phil77
      You will read a similar article and think, well, the fabulous life was in the Russian Empire

      She was not fabulous, but there was no sheer horror either.
      The facts presented in the article do not raise questions?
      Quote: Phil77
      and here, bam, revolution

      You know, in our time, when these revolutions are very close, the stories of the rebellious people no longer cause much confidence. Serious people are preparing and preparing any revolution. The Tsar was not overthrown by the Bolsheviks, but by ministers and generals with the participation of foreign intelligence.
      1. +4
        8 July 2018 09: 14
        But SCHASCS soon, at 11.30 a series 1 will begin on the 365-tv channel about the February revolution. They said ---- it’s worth watching. I didn’t have time yesterday. And so it is possible over the network
        Quote: Dart2027
        You know, in our time, when these revolutions are very close, the stories of the rebellious people no longer cause much confidence. Serious people are preparing and preparing any revolution. The Tsar was not overthrown by the Bolsheviks, but by ministers and generals with the participation of foreign intelligence.
        1. +5
          8 July 2018 09: 24
          Quote: Reptiloid
          But SCHASSS will soon begin at 11.30

          That is, FR did the Bolsheviks? Hmm ...
          1. +2
            8 July 2018 09: 40
            Quote: Dart2027
            Quote: Reptiloid
            But SCHASSS will soon begin at 11.30

            That is, FR did the Bolsheviks? Hmm ...

            No, of course, you don’t juggle, but let's just say that they took advantage of the fruits, which speaks in their favor!
            1. +3
              8 July 2018 12: 44
              Quote: Phil77
              but let's say it so they took advantage of the fruits, which speaks in their favor

              The fact that they took advantage of the begun anarchy is not related to FR.
          2. +3
            8 July 2018 09: 41
            Quote: Dart2027
            Quote: Reptiloid
            But SCHASSS will soon begin at 11.30

            That is, FR did the Bolsheviks? Hmm ...
            Get out! At 15.30. And you yourself dial 365-tv !!!!! You will also see how it is written !!!!!
            The trend is much worse ---- to combine both revolutions called Russian. But, apparently, then October Silence will be silenced, and the achievements of the USSR will still come to anyone! !!!!!!
        2. 0
          8 July 2018 09: 35
          Quote: Reptiloid
          And so it is possible over the network

          Try it: http://only-tv.org/365-dnej.html
      2. +4
        8 July 2018 09: 16
        And the people were silent? It wasn’t the people who participated in the civil war, and by the way, the tsarist generals who were not badly praised beat me. I just don’t like embellishments, because not so long ago they wrote about sturgeon in canned soldiers.
        1. +7
          8 July 2018 09: 25
          Quote: Phil77
          I just don't like beauties

          Are there any objections to the facts stated in the article?
          Quote: Phil77
          in a civil war, not the people participated, and by the way, the well-praised tsarist generals beat

          But only 70% of the officers of the tsarist army were on the side of the Bolsheviks.
          1. +1
            8 July 2018 09: 43
            Quote: Dart2027
            Quote: Phil77
            I just don't like beauties

            Are there any objections to the facts stated in the article?
            Quote: Phil77
            in a civil war, not the people participated, and by the way, the well-praised tsarist generals beat

            But only 70% of the officers of the tsarist army were on the side of the Bolsheviks.

            Excuse me, but officers are not people? All the more so if you know what environment they came from. They were mainly service people, that is, staff officers, comfrey.
            1. +2
              8 July 2018 12: 45
              Quote: Phil77
              Excuse me, but officers are not people?

              And they were not officers of the imperial army?
              Quote: Dart2027
              Are there any objections to the facts stated in the article?

              I understand that no?
          2. +4
            8 July 2018 09: 51
            Quote: Dart2027
            ..... That's just 70% of the officers of the tsarist army was just on the side of the Bolsheviks.
            And on this topic in the network a lot of material and there were articles !!!!! That is why they turned to the Bolsheviks, because they saw the meaninglessness of this war for RI.
            So the king lost their respect. Many of the white officers also emphasized that they are not monarchists (Denikin at least), Yes, it seems in the film about theft at 1Mv, in RI
            1. +3
              8 July 2018 12: 46
              Quote: Reptiloid
              That is why they turned to the Bolsheviks, because they saw the meaninglessness of this war for RI.

              Given the fact that the EP completely ruined the army, it was not the PMV, but the consequences of February.
      3. +2
        8 July 2018 09: 24
        Quote: Dart2027
        Quote: Phil77
        You will read a similar article and think, well, the fabulous life was in the Russian Empire

        She was not fabulous, but there was no sheer horror either.
        The facts presented in the article do not raise questions?
        Quote: Phil77
        and here, bam, revolution

        You know, in our time, when these revolutions are very close, the stories of the rebellious people no longer cause much confidence. Serious people are preparing and preparing any revolution. The Tsar was not overthrown by the Bolsheviks, but by ministers and generals with the participation of foreign intelligence.

        And even if the people did not believe the Bolsheviks and did not follow them, there would be no Civil War. The same applies to the February revolution, Kerensky did not have support, and therefore fled from Russia.
        1. +8
          8 July 2018 09: 27
          Quote: Phil77
          And even if the people did not believe the Bolsheviks and did not follow them, there would be no Civil War

          And then this people believed the liberals and the USSR collapsed.
          As experience shows, people always follow those who promise more.
          1. +1
            8 July 2018 09: 41
            Quote: Dart2027
            And then this people believed the liberals and the USSR collapsed.

            The people did not believe the liberals. The people got the Trotskyist power.
            1. 0
              8 July 2018 10: 48
              Quote: Boris55
              The people got the Trotskyist power.

              What was Trotskyism of this power?
              1. 0
                8 July 2018 11: 40
                Quote: HanTengri
                What was Trotskyism of this power?

                The Trotskyists are completely deaf to the content of the criticism addressed to him, combined with a commitment to the principle of suppressing the declarations proclaimed by the Trotskyists in life, a system of defaults, on the basis of which they actually act, united in the collective unconscious.
                In short: they think one thing, they say another, and they do the third.
                1. +2
                  8 July 2018 20: 54
                  Quote: Boris55
                  In short: they think one thing, they say another, and they do the third.

                  It’s hard to call Trotskyism in the classic version ... But, if I say what I think it should be called correctly, they will once again ban me for using foul language. So, let it be in zero approximation, it will be Trotskyism !!! drinks
            2. +2
              8 July 2018 12: 47
              Quote: Boris55
              The people got the Trotskyist power.

              That is, in the USSR there was no Soviet power?
              1. +3
                8 July 2018 13: 32
                Quote: Dart2027
                That is, in the USSR there was no Soviet power?

                It was ~ from 1924 to 1953. Further, the rule from the soviets passed to the party.
                1. +1
                  8 July 2018 16: 16
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Further, the board passed from the soviets to the party

                  That is, the whole USSR rested on one person. Well, was it worth the fence?
                  1. +5
                    8 July 2018 16: 43
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    That is, the whole USSR rested on one person. Well, was it worth the fence?

                    It was worth, if only for the destruction of open slavery in the world. The experience of the USSR showed that free labor is much more effective than slave labor.
                    1. 0
                      8 July 2018 18: 32
                      Quote: Boris55
                      It’s worth, if only for the destruction of open slavery in the world

                      And what do I care about the world? Know every adequate person interested in problems his country, and the rest insofar as. Somewhere slavery? Yes, I'm sorry, but what have we got to do with it?
          2. +1
            8 July 2018 09: 44
            Quote: Dart2027
            Quote: Phil77
            And even if the people did not believe the Bolsheviks and did not follow them, there would be no Civil War

            And then this people believed the liberals and the USSR collapsed.
            As experience shows, people always follow those who promise more.

            Well, that is, that is, I agree, but only about the collapse of the USSR!
          3. +3
            8 July 2018 09: 58
            Quote: Dart2027
            And then this people believed the liberals and the USSR collapsed.
            As experience shows, people always follow those who promise more.
            It is not a matter of promises, but of an absolutely identical scenario - a rise in price, the creation of a deficit with existing goods and products. There are many analogies. 90s ---- this is February, the seizure of power.
            1. +2
              8 July 2018 12: 47
              Quote: Reptiloid
              It's not about promises, but in exactly the same scenario

              People do not change, and technology coups too. Promises are one of the steps.
      4. +3
        8 July 2018 10: 36
        Quote: Dart2027
        The facts presented in the article do not raise questions?

        Facts taken out of context always violate the objective picture of what is happening. And, therefore, they will always raise questions.
        Quote: Dart2027
        The Tsar was not overthrown by the Bolsheviks, but by ministers and generals with the participation of foreign intelligence.

        That is yes. And at the same time, the question remains: Who and how organized, in parallel, that uncontrolled mess on the streets of the capital (and not only the capital), which then spilled over into VOSR?
        1. +3
          8 July 2018 12: 50
          Quote: HanTengri
          Facts taken out of context always violate the objective picture of what is happening

          Well, give the full picture. Who is against it?
          Quote: HanTengri
          Who and how organized, in parallel, that uncontrolled mess on the streets of the capital (and not only the capital), which then spilled over into VOSR

          So they organized. Well, honestly - in our time, not knowing how easy it is to create street riots is not even funny.
          1. +1
            8 July 2018 17: 25
            Quote: Dart2027
            Well, give the full picture. Who is against it?

            In my opinion, specially trained historians should do this. And it’s not for me, with my natural science snout, to climb into this elite row!
            Quote: Dart2027
            So they organized. Well, honestly - in our time, not knowing how easy it is to create street riots is not even funny.

            Didn't Sharpe's Manual appear in the 60s of the 20th century? And not on the basis of the analysis of two Russian revolutions (+ still, on trifles, to the heap)?
            1. +1
              8 July 2018 18: 36
              Quote: HanTengri
              In my opinion, specially trained historians should do this.

              That is, you first talk about some context, and then that you don’t know anything?
              Quote: HanTengri
              Didn't Sharpe's Manual appear in the 60s of the 20th century?

              It was officially written. That's just the United States indulged in the organization of coups at the end of the 19th century. In addition, not a word is said about the bribery of elites that paralyze the actions of the authorities, and without them nothing will work.
      5. Alf
        +3
        8 July 2018 22: 55
        Quote: Dart2027
        She was not fabulous, but there was no sheer horror either

        Not scary ?
        1. +1
          8 July 2018 23: 17
          And where did the Soviet government get doctors to fight diseases? Is it from RI?
          1. Alf
            +4
            9 July 2018 00: 01
            Quote: Dart2027
            Is it from RI?

            Maybe. That's just the Soviet government put the training of doctors on stream, which is evidence of a sharp decrease in mortality, and why tsarist Russia did not do this is a big question.
            1. Alf
              +5
              9 July 2018 00: 07
              The number of doctors.
              1. +3
                9 July 2018 08: 19
                Quote: Alf
                The number of doctors.

                You yourself have looked at your schedule? There is clearly indicated GROWTH and when RI. He continued on. What does the Communists have to do with it? Or thank them that at least this trend has been preserved? request
            2. +4
              9 July 2018 08: 13
              Quote: Alf
              Maybe. That's just the Soviet government put the training of doctors on stream, which is evidence of a sharp decrease in mortality, but why tsarist Russia did not do this is a big question

              Did. AND TRENDS in reducing mortality in the Republic of Ingushetia (and it was) led to better results than in the USSR.
              What, incidentally, was happening in the already "built" socialism in the 1930s, when young mortality was higher than in 1913? In the Republic of Ingushetia, this would not have happened at all: In 1913-230, there were 10000 deaths; in 1933, 300 dead. Yes, "achievements" fool Compare, by the way, with mortality in the USA, France, Sweden.
              NOT SCARY?!
              http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2003/0125/analit02
              . Php
            3. +2
              9 July 2018 12: 24
              Why didn’t she? In Russia, the number of doctors increased and child mortality decreased.
              Funny statistics, I wonder why in 1924 such an increase in mortality?
              1. +4
                9 July 2018 15: 07
                Quote: Gopnik
                In Russia, the number of doctors increased and child mortality decreased.

                In parallel reality, you have a river of jelly and a bank of gingerbread. On the one hand, and there the peasants gave birth to 10-12 children, and 5-8 died out, that’s medicine ... in peasant families? I remind you-NOT SIGNIFICANTly. so it would be better if you were silent. at the expense of "high level of medical care" ..
                1. +2
                  9 July 2018 16: 29
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  alone and there the peasants gave birth to 10-12 children, and 5-8 died out


                  This is the usual mortality rate for countries with a traditional type of population reproduction. In most European countries it was the same, just a few decades ago before the events described. In Russia, the demographic transition began a little later, at the turn of the century.
                  In the USSR, infant mortality remained high, and higher than in Europe, until Lenin and Stalin came up with antibiotics.

                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  Recall Resolution


                  Yeah, remind. Give only the original
                  1. +2
                    10 July 2018 09: 12
                    Quote: Gopnik
                    This is the usual mortality rate for countries with a traditional type of population reproduction. In most European countries it was the same, just a few decades ago before the events described. In Russia, the demographic transition began a little later, at the turn of the century.

                    Quite rightly noticed.
                    At the same time in 1913 in Russia the infant had a mortality rate of 230 hours, in France 150 hours, the difference is 80 people.
                    But in the gallant 1933 in the USSR 300 children died, and in France 60.
                    The difference is 230 children.
                    So here it is: after 20 years of “progress” the difference (separation from the West) grew by 170 (!) children
            4. 0
              9 July 2018 19: 59
              Quote: Alf
              that’s why tsarist Russia didn’t do this is a big question.

              Quote: Olgovich
              You yourself have looked at your schedule? There is clearly indicated GROWTH and when RI. He continued on.
              This is what this is about.
    2. +4
      8 July 2018 13: 00
      Quote: Phil77
      Otherwise, how can it be explained by the collective insanity of the people ?!

      But in Germany, how can one explain the revolution? There, the standard of living before the war was much higher! In all In the participating countries, the people were terribly tired of the won. and everywhere the situation in the rear was heated - we just have allies am turned out to be the most vile, who fed the Duma Mr.az, who hit in the back home!
      1. +4
        8 July 2018 17: 59
        Quote: Weyland
        But in Germany, how can one explain the revolution? There, the standard of living before the war was much higher!

        Quote: Weyland
        But in Germany, how can one explain the revolution? There, the standard of living before the war was much higher!

        This suggests that the monarchies have already exhausted themselves, and they should have given way to bourgeois parliamentarism. The objective law of historical materialism. No arguing against this.
        1. 0
          9 July 2018 11: 13
          Quote: Alexander Green
          This suggests that the monarchies have already exhausted themselves, and they should have given way to bourgeois parliamentarism.

          Then here's the data for an awesomely democratic France:
          Uprising in the French army in 1917
          http://www.retropressa.ru/vosstaniya-vo-francuzsk
          ojj-armii-v-1917-godu /
          1. +3
            9 July 2018 12: 48
            Quote: Weyland
            Then here's the data for an awesomely democratic France:
            Uprising in the French army in 1917

            Do not tell readers, the soldiers did not demand the return of the Bourbons to the throne. This just indicates that the bourgeois republic in France has also exhausted itself, it is time to move on to socialism. This is dialectics, dear friend. Read Istmat at your leisure and then you will understand everything.
            1. 0
              9 July 2018 15: 51
              Quote: Alexander Green
              This is dialectics, dear friend. Read Istmat at your leisure and then you will understand everything.

              And you didn’t beguiled with ismatism with a diamat, an hour? laughing Already this garbage to me in high school once had to read plenty! Only here I am not a materialist, but an Orthodox one!
            2. +2
              9 July 2018 20: 58
              Quote: Weyland
              And you didn’t beguiled with ismatism with a diamat, an hour? Already this garbage to me in high school once had to read plenty!

              It is felt that you were a doppelganger in a university, otherwise you would have known that historical materialism is based on the dialectical method of cognition of the development of human society.
              Hence your faith in the Almighty, because your knowledge is not enough for the knowledge of the world, and you did not learn to think, so you did not strain your brains, and believed in the mythical hypothesis about the creation of the world.
              1. 0
                9 July 2018 22: 46
                Quote: Alexander Green
                It is felt that you were a doppelganger in a university, otherwise you would have known that historical materialism is based on the dialectical method of cognition of the development of human society.

                It is felt that you were a doppelganger in a university, otherwise you would have known that historical materialism is the history of the development of materialism from Democritus to Kirla Myrla am but dialectical materialism is already a rather cunning system of juggling
              2. +2
                10 July 2018 15: 54
                Quote: Weyland
                historical materialism is the history of the development of materialism from Democritus to Kırla Myrla

                Do not disgrace. For such an answer, even a historian-raskrig from the CPSU Shpakovsky (aka caliber) would put a deuce.
    3. +2
      9 July 2018 12: 18
      Quote: Phil77
      You will read a similar article and think, well, the fabulous life was in the Russian Empire


      not fabulous, of course. Although better than in the USSR, yes.

      Quote: Phil77
      Otherwise, how can it be explained by the collective insanity of the people ?!


      Something like that. “Not hungry but rebellious riots” (c)
      1. +3
        9 July 2018 15: 07
        Quote: Gopnik
        Although better than in the USSR, yes.

        Who is better?
        Quote: Gopnik
        Something like that. "The rebellious are not hungry, but nourished."

        Do you long for a repeat?
        1. 0
          9 July 2018 16: 31
          Quote: The Swordsman
          Who is better?


          Russian workers, peasants, intelligentsia
          1. +2
            9 July 2018 16: 43
            Quote: Gopnik
            Russian workers, peasants, intelligentsia

            IN USSR.
            1. 0
              9 July 2018 17: 04
              Here in the USSR, until the end of the 1950s, and even further, they lived worse than in RI.
              1. +2
                9 July 2018 18: 27
                Quote: Gopnik
                Here in the USSR, until the end of the 1950s, and even further, they lived worse than in RI.

                Yes Yes. Here are the Soviet people of the USSR defended, defeated the Nazis, liberated Europe, and then the Soviet-economic miracle. !!!! You do not read about Liberal Repressions in vain. From the 90s of the Russian Federation and now has not recovered, if you do not know. Academician writes.
  5. +4
    8 July 2018 09: 34
    It touched:
    As noted by source: "This is the duty of the state, which has never, in any war, ever been fulfilled as conscientiously, holyly as it is now."

    As the source noted,
    in the sense of providing warrior children, "as it turns out now, we are ahead of even England and France."

    Of course, I understand that the "source" of Mr. Oleinikov is so classified that to communicate his name and, moreover, his coordinates in the network of Mr. Well, Oleinikov couldn’t ... lol Therefore, I would like to know: could Mr. Oleinikov, so as not to waste crunchy rolls, additionally ask his "Source" (well, there, send him the encryption, or something, like: "Alex - to the Source"):
    1. The total number of orphans that could be taken care of under the Committee of Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna "Department for the Guardianship of Children of Warriors" under the Committee of Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna?
    2. The total number of soldier children left orphaned from August 1914 to February 1917?
    3. Calculate: how much, in percentage terms, the first was from the second.
    1. +5
      8 July 2018 09: 54
      That's what I’m talking about! First, they created orphans in an incomprehensible war, and then, as it were, care for them!
      1. +4
        8 July 2018 10: 13
        I wrote about the need for numbers above, also --- where are the children from. After all, if you collected children from the nearest houses of a big city, this is one option, and if you attended to life from the poorest corners of the province, then this is different. Of course, without statistics taken on education, training and remaining --- there is no point.
      2. +2
        8 July 2018 10: 23
        Wars are never right or wrong. this is a confluence of a bunch of factors at one point.
    2. +3
      8 July 2018 10: 19
      Do you think the matter is in quantity ?! Why do we all want to do good deeds in some kind of interest Talmud? If one person helps, at least one such child is already right.
      1. +4
        8 July 2018 10: 43
        Quote: cariperpaint
        Why do we all want to do good deeds in some kind of interest Talmud?

        Because it is called: "Objective data." Otherwise, ate to apply your approach, when analyzing historical events, we will be forced to swim in an endless, snotty stream of "tears of a child" (tm).
        1. +2
          8 July 2018 10: 55
          Not at all. Just counting good deeds as a percentage is weird. They are either there or they are not.
          1. +2
            8 July 2018 11: 17
            Quote: cariperpaint
            Not at all. Just counting good deeds as a percentage is weird. They are either there or they are not.

            And do not distort. It’s not just about good deeds, but about state policy and accountability. And postscripts and window dressing have always been
            . There was once an article here about poverty and poverty in the periphery. At the same time, the poverty and poverty of the peasants in Tolstoy described. This is very different. Therefore, exact numbers are needed and I have no doubt that they are. I’ll leave soon. Until the evening.
    3. +5
      8 July 2018 11: 59
      Of course, I understand that the "source" of Mr. Oleinikov is so classified that to communicate his name and, moreover, his coordinates in the network of Mr. Well, Oleinikov couldn’t.

      And where did you get that source of Mr. Oleinikov in the network ??
      the fact that you live only in the network does not mean that other people cannot use documents or materials that, for example, are not in the network ??? I would even say so - in the network there is a tiny fraction of the literature available in nature and an even more tiny proportion of documents.
      And thank God - that you have to look for something in the archives and libraries, and not just use Google to climb the expanses of the world trash.
      1. +5
        8 July 2018 12: 15
        Quote: Heavy Division
        And where did you get that source of Mr. Oleinikov in the network ??

        God forbid, Gosh! Based directly on the text of the article, I assume that the "Source" of Mr. Oleinikov sends him the encryption, directly, from the RCMP, under the "Schubert waltzes and the crunch of French rolls" (c). laughing How Mr. Oleinikov gets in touch with him through the use of co-creation, or “Radisk Kat,” in the form of a medium, uses is another question. wassat
        1. +5
          8 July 2018 15: 43
          Dear KhanTengri, in reality there is such a wonderful thing as libraries and archives. Judging by the text of your comment, these institutions are deeply alien to you. You, probably, feel “class hatred”, as it is customary for you to say, right?
          1. +5
            8 July 2018 16: 57
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            Dear KhanTengri, in reality there is such a wonderful thing as libraries and archives. Judging by the text of your comment, these institutions are deeply alien to you.

            Wai! What, such archive-archive, library libraries? Mans lump nonsense! Man - I know the FBAN. Archive archive - I do not know! laughing
            You, lieutenant, have carefully read the text of the article? These pearls about the "Source":
            Fact 2. The state tried to help the families of heroes - soldiers and officers. As the source notes: "This is the duty of the state, which has never, in any war, ever been fulfilled as conscientiously, holyly as it is now." But financial assistance was not enough - especially since it is not known "how it will be used by relatives and relatives of the war heroes."

            10 fact. As the source noted, in the sense of providing children of warriors, "as it turns out now, we are ahead of even England and France."

            Were you not alerted? Didn’t it seem to you that Mr. Oleinikov stupidly with ... criticized, somewhere, the entire text, from "A" to "I", forgetting to indicate the source of the material at the end of the article? I personally consider this opus to be pure plagiarism. I’m joking over that! So, with "class hatred", it's you - by. hi
  6. +6
    8 July 2018 10: 16
    Question to the author: an article on charity and social protection of orphans during the First World War or on the department for the guardianship of children of soldiers under the Committee of Grand Duchess Elizabeth Fedorovna?
    If about the social protection of orphans during the WWII in Russia, then this really worthy page of history is not considered by the author at all. If the Committee, then in fairness should indicate that it was only one of many and not the first among numerous charitable organizations.
    Nevertheless, both the Alekseevsky Committee and other state, public and charitable organizations deserve at least mention.
    1. +4
      8 July 2018 12: 52
      Quote: Curious
      article on charity and social protection of orphans during the First World War or on the department for the guardianship of children of warriors under the Committee of Grand Duchess Elizabeth Fedorovna

      Actually, the article says:
      in Moscow, under the Committee of the Grand Duchess Elizabeth Fedorovna, a Department for the Guardianship of Children of Warriors is being created
      So we are talking about a specific organization.
      1. +3
        8 July 2018 13: 49
        You read it carefully. At first it’s very catchy that they paid little money, and there was no control over how they would spend it, “And then in Moscow under the Committee of the Grand Duchess Elizabeth Fedorovna ...”
        Is it caught? Or tight?
        1. +2
          8 July 2018 16: 40
          Quote: Curious
          Is it caught? Or tight?

          What is there to catch? There was a state program - the money in it was not enough, which is not surprising, since no one expected such a scale of the war, and the imperial family sent its own funds.
          The author does not mention other committees, but the article is not about them, so this is completely acceptable. It would be another matter if he claimed that it was the only fund.
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        2. +3
          8 July 2018 17: 13
          Quote: Curious
          You read it carefully. At first it’s very catchy that little money was paid, ......
          There, after all, that ///: it is not known how relatives and friends will spend: /// ---- this is fact 2. But fact 3 is already THEN ... The meaning is clear, it just didn’t add in this case Nothing is known to me. It’s all simple, for example, you have a very large well-deserved pension, but it is not known how you will spend it, so it’s better to go to a house of charity .... A specially trained people will dispose of the pension .... Something like that.
          It is also not clear about England and France.
          At the same time, I learned the answer to my question about the children participating in the war. Well, in this regard, it’s good if the teenagers received a specialty, education, they were almost adults.
  7. +4
    8 July 2018 12: 47
    Guardianship, charity, and disinterested help to those in need throughout all centuries in Russia were symbols of sacrifice and simple civil feat! Performed not for the sake of glory, awards and recognition, but as spiritual asceticism for the glory of the Fatherland, and for the benefit of the people. Unfortunately, the understanding of spiritual (not in the religious sense) asceticism in the minds of the Russian people over the past 100 years has degenerated very much! Especially now, the actions of the fifth column undermine the spiritual and moral foundations of the Russian people, turning people into cattle, and society into a herd! Degradation is not harmless! It is enough to look back at the disappeared empires and civilizations in the past. Who wants their grandchildren and great-grandchildren to disappear in the darkness of centuries?
  8. +6
    8 July 2018 13: 00
    I read some malevolent comments and I thought - well, the people went)) No, to rejoice at the fact that at least some kids were warmed up by the state - no, they again share according to class, continuing the red and white dance of St. Witt)
    By the way, I drew attention to an interesting detail: if the Department’s pets became
    Firstly, the children of warriors who fell in battle for their homeland. Secondly, children whose fate is unknown to their parents - for example, father is missing or captured
    then during the Second World War, in accordance with Order No. 270 of August 16, 1941, families (and therefore children) of Red Army soldiers who were captured were deprived of both state benefits and state aid. Here is such a difference in relation to prisoners and their children.
    Although the former are "bad imperials," and the latter are "good and fair socialists"

    Thanks to the author for interesting facts.
    1. +3
      8 July 2018 13: 14
      In accordance with order No. 270 of August 16, 1941
      ........
      The commander of the 13th Rifle Corps, Major General Kirillov, who was surrounded by Nazi troops, instead of fulfilling his duty to the motherland, to organize the units entrusted to him for stubborn resistance to the enemy and leaving the encirclement, deserted from the battlefield and surrendered to the enemy. As a result of this, parts of the 13th Rifle Corps were defeated, and some of them surrendered without serious resistance.
      It should be noted that for all the facts of the capture of the enemy mentioned above, members of the military councils of the armies, commanders, political workers, special detachments who were surrounded, showed unacceptable confusion, shameful cowardice and did not even try to prevent the frightened Kachalov, Ponedelin, Kirillov and others to the enemy ......
      I order:
      During the battle, commanders and political workers who tear off insignia and deserting to the rear or surrendering to the enemy are considered malicious deserters whose families are to be arrested as families who have violated the oath and betrayed their deserters.
      To oblige all senior commanders and commissioners to shoot on the spot such deserters from the commanders.
      The units and subdivisions that were surrounded by the enemy selflessly fight to the last possible opportunity, protect the material part as the apple of an eye, make their way to their rear enemy troops, defeating the Nazi dogs.
      To oblige each soldier, regardless of his official position, to demand from a superior chief, if part of him is surrounded, to fight to the last opportunity in order to break through to his own, and if such a commander or part of the Red Army men instead of repelling the enemy would prefer to surrender to him, destroy them by all means, both land and air, and the families of the surrendered Red Army soldiers deprive of state allowance and assistance.
      To oblige commanders and commissars of divisions to immediately dismiss battalion and regiment commanders who are hiding in crevices during the battle and who are afraid to direct the course of the battle on the battlefield, demote them as imposters, transfer them to privates, and, if necessary, shoot them on the spot, putting them forward in their place brave and courageous people from the junior command staff or from the ranks of distinguished Red Army men.
      The order to read in all companies, squadrons, batteries, squadrons, teams and headquarters.
      Supreme High Command Headquarters
      Red Army
      Chairman of the State Defense Committee
      I. STALIN

      Deputy Chairman of the State
      Defense Committee V. MOLOTOV
      Marshal of the Soviet Union S. Budyonny
      Marshal of the Soviet Union K. VOROSHILOV
      Marshal of the Soviet Union S. Timoshenko
      Marshal of the Soviet Union B. Shaposhnikov
      Army General G. ZHUKOV
      https://ss69100.livejournal.com/1355107.html тут ФОТО ЕСТЬ.ПЛЕННОГО.ВЫДАЮЩЕГО КОМАНДИРОВ.Вы за изменников так сильно переживаете?
      1. +7
        8 July 2018 15: 13
        I don’t understand - you are writing this in all seriousness - why worry about traitors?
        From the text of the order:
        During the battle, commanders and political workers who tear off insignia and deserting to the rear or surrendering to the enemy are considered malicious deserters whose families are to be arrested as families who have violated the oath and betrayed their deserters.

        if such a chief or part of the Red Army instead of repelling the enemy chooses to surrender to him, destroy them by all means, both ground and air, and deprive the families of the surrendered Red Army of state allowance and assistance.

        That is, you want to say that all 5 million surrendered or captured Red Army soldiers are traitors and enemies ?? Yeah. The circumstances, as you know, are different.
        And the second question - if we assume that they are all enemies - what does their family have to do with it ???
        1. +3
          8 July 2018 18: 32
          Quote: Albatroz
          I do not understand

          But you don’t have to.
          Similar questions are asked by those who, in which case, either give up immediately or run across later. Seriously serving the new owners.
          This Order was born at the right time and at the exact time, not later and not earlier. I played a role. I sobered up many who succumbed to panic. Http: //souzknr.ru/2013/prikazy-stalina-nik
          to-ne-otmenyal-prikaz-270-ot-19-08-1941-goda-kasa
          etsya-vsex /
          https://ss69100.livejournal.com/1355107.html тут ФОТО ЕСТЬ.ПЛЕННОГО.ВЫДАЮЩЕГО КОМАНДИРОВ.Вы за изменников так сильно переживаете?
    2. +6
      8 July 2018 13: 23
      Quote: XII Legion
      No, to rejoice that at least some kids were warmed up by the state - no, they again share according to class, continuing the red and white dance of St. Witt

      And whenever an article appears that says something good about RI in general, or about Nicholas II in particular, how terribly dissatisfied appear in the comments, moreover, in most cases they cannot say anything about the contents of the article.
      1. +2
        8 July 2018 21: 14
        Quote: Dart2027
        And whenever an article appears that says something good about the USSR in general, or about Stalin in particular, as terribly dissatisfied appear in the comments, moreover, in most cases they cannot say anything about the contents of the article.

        Do not recognize yourself in a mirror image?
        What can I say, in essence of this article, if the comments already show what the price of this article is?
        Quote: Curious
        Question to the author: an article on charity and social protection of orphans during the First World War or on the department for the guardianship of children of soldiers under the Committee of Grand Duchess Elizabeth Fedorovna?
        If about the social protection of orphans during the WWII in Russia, then this really worthy page of history is not considered by the author at all. If the Committee, then in fairness should indicate that it was only one of many and not the first among numerous charitable organizations.
        Nevertheless, both the Alekseevsky Committee and other state, public and charitable organizations deserve at least mention.
        1. +2
          8 July 2018 21: 26
          Quote: The Swordsman
          Do not recognize yourself in a mirror image?

          That is nothing to argue?
          Quote: The Swordsman
          What can I say, in essence of this article, if the comments already show what the price of this article is?

          The comments of people whose story began in 1917? Not if you wrote an article about how in the USSR they solved problems with homelessness after the war it would be interesting, but you need to work right away.
          In the quote you cited, there is only regret that the article does not talk about everyone who worked in this direction. However, here is another quote
          Quote: Albatroz
          Well, about the children, well, I see another manifestation of the policy of double standards, which is not surprising. If the facts set forth in the article took place in the USSR, then now the bubbles would be released and the snot smeared from tenderness.
          1. +2
            8 July 2018 21: 53
            Quote: Dart2027
            That is nothing to argue?

            You have nothing.
            Quote: Dart2027
            The comments of people whose story began in 1917?

            You ended it in 1917 *
            Quote: Dart2027
            Not if you wrote an article about how in the USSR they solved problems with homelessness after the war it would be interesting, but you need to work right away.

            Should I give you a reference for self-education? I don’t feel sorry, just this article is much more significant than what other tears pour in comments. https://www.miloserdie.ru/article/sirotskie-uchre
            zhdeniya-v-rossii-istoricheskij-obzor /
            Quote: Dart2027
            here now the bubbles would be launched and the snot smeared from tenderness.

            So why is the author of this comment and you do it?
            Homelessness, the disease of the Republic of Ingushetia, Grazhdanskaya aggravated this, but the Soviet government was able to cope with the problem in full volume. Only after 1991 did it reappear, challenge?
            1. +2
              8 July 2018 23: 25
              Quote: The Swordsman
              You have nothing.

              So it’s not you objecting to the facts in the article whining that this article is wrong?
              Quote: The Swordsman
              You ended it in 1917

              From what? Not over. That's just the construction of Utopia does not end with anything good.
              Quote: The Swordsman
              ttps: //www.miloserdie.ru/article/sirotskie-uchre
              zhdeniya-v-rossii-istoricheskij-obzor /
              I read
              Russian pre-revolutionary orphanages served as a prototype for Soviet orphanages and boarding schools. Of course, during the years of Soviet rule and in the post-Soviet period they underwent a number of qualitative changes, often not for the better.
              Have you read it yourself?
              Quote: The Swordsman
              So why is the author of this comment and you do it?
              Is it?
              Quote: The Swordsman
              but the Soviet government was able to cope with the problem in full
              Which turned out to be unviable and dragged everything else behind it.
              1. +2
                9 July 2018 07: 01
                Quote: Dart2027
                That's just the construction of Utopia does not end with anything good.

                Liberal Utopia? Well, yes. It rots and falls apart right before your eyes, your liberal market utopia.
                Regarding the ideas of socialism, tell China about your theories, they will laugh a lot there.
                Quote: Dart2027
                Have you read it yourself?

                Unlike you. I always read what I give as a reference. And only extremely dull people. Having read those conclusions that you have drawn. Orphaned (children’s homes) in modern Russia is that, with that series of scandals that they report that there?
                Quote: Dart2027
                Which turned out to be unviable and dragged everything else behind it.

                Why are you and you like with such a really fierce hatred, at this time fighting with an "unviable and sunken" idea? Have you read Chubais?
                1. +1
                  9 July 2018 18: 21
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  That's just the construction of Utopia does not end with anything good.

                  Liberal Utopia? Well, yes. It rots and falls apart right before your eyes, your liberal market utopia.
                  Regarding the ideas of socialism, tell China about your theories, they will laugh a lot there.
                  ...... Chubais have read?

                  Well, yes, yes, then suddenly Chubais’s request will be fulfilled and he will get to retirement ----- immediately market utopias will die forever!
                2. -1
                  9 July 2018 20: 05
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  Liberal Utopia? Well, yes. It rots and falls apart right before your eyes, your liberal market utopia.

                  Please show on the map the country that built communism?
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  Unlike you. I always read what I give as a reference. And only extremely slow-minded people. Having read those conclusions you made.

                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Russian pre-revolutionary orphanages served as a prototype for Soviet orphanages and boarding schools. Of course, during the years of Soviet rule and in the post-Soviet period they underwent a number of qualitative changes, often not for the better.
                  Well, how else can this be understood? About the Soviet government it is said clearly and clearly.
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  And why are you and you like with such a really violent hatred, at this time fighting with the "unviable and sunken" idea
                  True? And it seemed to me that it was the ardent admirers of Lenin who began to be rude and indignant. I already offered you
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Not if you wrote an article about how in the USSR they solved problems with homelessness after the war it would be interesting
                  Or, if you can’t do it yourself, find it, but it’s not so difficult.
      2. +4
        8 July 2018 21: 23
        Quote: Dart2027
        Quote: XII Legion
        No, to rejoice that at least some kids were warmed up by the state - no, they again share according to class, continuing the red and white dance of St. Witt

        And whenever an article appears that says something good about RI in general, or about Nicholas II in particular, how terribly dissatisfied appear in the comments, moreover, in most cases they cannot say anything about the contents of the article.

        And why rejoice? When we know about the February Revolution and the Civil War. What happened then?
        Military schools for children with full support appeared in the USSR. There were once craftsmen with full security, in some film I saw. This was taken for granted. For older and Higher also survived. Although I read somewhere that now the number of such educational institutions is decreasing.
        And about the discontent about charity ---- so it was in those distant times. It’s even worse than it is now. There was an article on this topic somehow from the Ribbon. Just about the mockery of the whole family and the talk about replacing the king
        1. +1
          8 July 2018 23: 26
          Quote: Reptiloid
          And why rejoice? When we know about the February Revolution and the Civil War. What happened then?

          And what does this have to do with the article?
          Quote: Dart2027
          moreover, in most cases they cannot say anything about the contents of the article.
  9. +2
    8 July 2018 14: 29
    Albatroz,
    When did Iraq appear? According to the results of the WWI, when the British “gave” Faisal to themselves, for themselves .... So what if Iraq is not on the maps of Europe? Israel is also not on the maps of Europe, but they are everywhere in Europe ...
    And on a large scale - according to the results of two world wars, militancy disappeared from such aggressive nations in Europe in the past as the French, Germans and Russians.
    But the Freemasons are thriving ...
    1. +5
      8 July 2018 15: 03
      I tell you that the British controlled the deposits of Iraq, no matter how it was called then
      Compared to this, European oil is nonsense, and there were no plans for Europe.
      The rest is demagogy
      1. +1
        8 July 2018 15: 13
        Nobody talks about European oil, only about Iraqi !!! But this territory belonged to TI, which, in turn, was friends with the Germans, who, in turn, planned to build the Berlin-Baghdad railway ... Who, in that case, was interested in unleashing the WWII ??? It seems that the British first of all needed this ... Well, nobody canceled the living space for the Germans on Russian lands ... Plus, the French Wishlist ... As a result, we have the PMV ...
        1. +6
          8 July 2018 15: 21
          So you wrote above - that the British drew maps for the capture of oil wells in Europe? Or I misunderstood.
          Okay. Eventually.
          The British have Iraqi oil. But the Germans wanted to redistribute the colonies.
          living space for the Germans in Russian lands has not been canceled want
          and I’ll add - in Belgian-French too.
          What is the bottom line?
          The French wanted to return theirs, we - to save what we have, the British - to save the empire.
          The Germans - to conquer living space in Europe and Russia and redo the colonies. Austrians - take control of the Balkans, annex Serbia.
          T. about. - The German bloc was most interested in unleashing the WWII
          Here
          As a result, we have PMV
          1. 0
            8 July 2018 15: 37
            No, I didn’t say a word about oil in the maps of the British across Europe, maybe a typo was obtained there?
            .
            In the bottom line, you forgot about the English Wishlist about oil on the lands of TI (if you forget about their Wishlist for crushing RI, weakening the German bloc and the French - in the slaughterhouse).
            The situation is best explained by the words of the then killed Ferdinand: "I will never go to war with Russia, as this will end either with the fall of the monarchy in the Russian Empire, or the fall of the monarchy in Austria-Hungary."
            (+ - a couple of words and commas, forgotten already)
            For this position, his comrades-in-arms and curators of wars killed him, with the hands of false opponents ...
            1. +5
              8 July 2018 16: 39
              In the bottom line, you forgot about the English Wishlist about oil on TI lands

              As I understand it, the Turkish Empire.
              So the Entente was created to combat the German threat.
              Turkey’s entry into the war was generally initially envisioned on the side of the Entente (the Entente diplomats wooed it in August-September 1914) - that is, not knowing whether this country would fight and if it was fighting, then on whose side - what annexations would be made of Turkey in August 1914 can we talk at all?
              if you forget about their Wishlist for crushing RI

              Did England and France have such planning? For me, a discovery, by God. Explain if possible - with the facts please.
              1. +1
                8 July 2018 17: 05
                I'll start with the latter.
                Facts must be sought in the archives of the jason ... At the same time, it is worth recalling the English ships before Peter in the days of the deposition of the Emperor ... But this does not betray their Wishlist?

                About views of the coast into Turkish.
                You can find out when it was at the German Embassy in Bucharest that the Turks were handed over papers with German Wishlist on the railway Berlin-Baghdad and what they promise to give Turkey for this later ... I think many questions will disappear.
                _______
                The most interesting thing for analyzing the situation in the initial period of the WWI I have repeatedly quoted in my comments ... choose, call or go to the author of this information ... It turns out that the USA participated in the WWII from the very beginning ... But the USA is not Anglo-Saxon anti-German, but US Jewish antianthantes. Judge for yourselves: 5-6 US battleships patrolled off the coast of the Turkish port of Adan, demonstrating to our allies that they would not tolerate landing in this convenient bay ... And cargo, by the way, was transported from Haifa to Istanbul. Maybe not just coal? The consequence is a defeat in the Dardanelles operation ...
                If we move away from the dry, then move on to the liquid :). drinks
  10. +6
    8 July 2018 15: 36
    Great article! I did not know before that in Russia so much attention was paid to the children of soldiers who sacrificed themselves for the Fatherland and the people. The author — my sincere gratitude for the work done!
    1. +2
      8 July 2018 16: 01
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      Great article! I did not know before that in Russia so much attention was paid to the children of soldiers who sacrificed themselves for the Fatherland and the people.

      And all this comes from the moral qualities of the supreme power. It should be so.
  11. +4
    8 July 2018 16: 19
    Quote: The Swordsman
    They inherited what? And who in Ri was prevented from creating what was immediately created under the Reds? Did the Olgovichs interfere or did the Darts not understand what it was about?

    Do you think that there were no universities in RI? The source of this historical discovery can be found?
  12. +1
    8 July 2018 17: 25
    Quote: Reptiloid
    Quote: heavy division
    A very interesting and little-known aspect of the activities of our state during the WWII
    Thank you for the article
    I am joining. But after all, both numbers and exact places are needed. Where exactly besides Moscow were such institutions? Their number and the number of children in them. How did the children get there? Where are they from?

    A reasonable question and the author needs to make up for this miss
  13. +6
    8 July 2018 18: 22
    Many readers are delighted with the fact they read ...
    Ah, what a fact! They made a demonstration shelter (there were about 900 shelters in total in Russia) for PR and they tell tales of how well the children of the heroes lived. Similarly today, against the backdrop of the liquidation of all the houses and palaces of the pioneers, some deputy will make a small playground and at the same time publicize for the whole country.
    I testify. From the story of my mother.
    Her father, and my grandfather in August 1914, was taken to the German war. In the summer of 1915, he was squeezed, and my own grandmother was bitten by a wild cat in the forest, and soon she died from blood poisoning, because there was no medical attention. My mother, 6 years old, and her younger sister, 4 years old, were sent to a shelter. At the same time, they took away the land, sold their house, all the utensils in order to pay for the shelter, because for each child it was necessary to pay 1000 (thousand) rubles. The living conditions there were difficult, poorly fed, the teachers punished, beat, knelt on peas in a corner, instead of a normal study, taught only prayers, it ended up my mother begging my aunt (sister of the deceased mother) to pick them up from the shelter. Despite her poverty, she took them to her. But since it was hard to live, the children had to go beg in the villages for alms. Grandfather came to visit for a wound from the front only in the summer of 1917, there was no land, no home, nothing, the community did not want to return anything. Vacation ended and he again had to return to the unit ....
    So he knew why he fought in the civil war in the ranks of the Red Army.
    1. +1
      8 July 2018 18: 46
      Quote: Alexander Green
      At the same time, they took the land, sold their house, all the utensils in order to pay for the shelter, because for each child it was necessary to pay 1000 (thousand) rubles

      But were they taken to shelters for a fee?
      And let me ask - why didn’t the aunt accept them right away, as a close relative? After all, they had land and a house and utensils, that is, she would have received a financial gain, and not parasites?
      Quote: Alexander Green
      the community did not want to return

      That is according to your words, the community robbed them? That is, peasants like themselves? And where does the king? Maybe your grandfather needed to fight with his neighbors?
      1. +4
        8 July 2018 19: 03
        What does rob mean? had their own rules, both written and unwritten. For example, the redistribution of land once every 1 years occurred upon the fact of the existing ones. And the fact that a soldier in the Army is uninteresting will not be allocated land for him. He come in a year, and will be without land until the next redistribution. And then, because at the head of the community there are also people ... what at that moment? And I already wrote that if a soldier is in the service and cannot enter into the inheritance, then it will irretrievably go to others. And the complaints did not work.
        1. 0
          8 July 2018 19: 46
          Quote: Reptiloid
          What does rob mean? had their own rules, both written and unwritten.

          I don’t know what the rules were, but what did the king have to do with it? If these were the internal affairs of the peasants?
          1. +4
            8 July 2018 20: 08
            Quote: Dart2027
            I don’t know what the rules were, but what did the king have to do with it? If these were the internal affairs of the peasants?

            The tsar "may be nothing to do with", but only the government has established it: in order to take a child to a shelter, you have to pay 1000 rubles for him. Who wants to pay for orphans? So the community sold all the property of the family, and for the proceeds put the children in a shelter. And what aunt? My aunt’s one - seven on the benches - are all hungry, her husband is at the front .... And as for the “financial assistance”, I hope you will understand yourself ....
            1. +2
              8 July 2018 20: 28
              I read BURSA SKETCHES. If free ---- generally horror !!!! And on payment the difference is with an increase. And for whom it is unpaid ---- can they in what work?
            2. 0
              8 July 2018 21: 36
              Quote: Alexander Green
              Yes, only the government has established it: in order to take a child to a shelter, you have to pay 1000 rubles for him

              And what kind of law was this? I was somehow not interested in this issue, but now I tried to search and found nothing.
              Quote: Alexander Green
              And as for the "financial assistance", I hope you yourself will understand

              For two children paid 2000 rubles. A cow cost about 60 rubles. Continue?
              And by the way, how was your mother pleading with her aunt if they were taken somewhere? With the connection then it was not very.
              1. +3
                9 July 2018 00: 32
                Quote: Dart2027
                And what kind of law was this? I was somehow not interested in this issue, but now I tried to search and found nothing

                I don’t know what the law is, only the house and all the property went into payment, my mother was small, she talked about thousands, but she didn’t know exactly how much. And I recently found the contribution amount, see the link.
                https://poltora-bobra.livejournal.com/590194.html

                Quote: Dart2027
                And by the way, how was your mother pleading with her aunt if they were taken somewhere? With the connection then it was not very.

                I called on my mobile ... Are you satisfied?
                1. -1
                  9 July 2018 20: 12
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  her mother was small, she talked about thousands, but she didn’t know exactly how many. And I recently found a contribution amount, see the link

                  That is, they themselves did not know, and then they began to adjust the facts? And what prevented the use of these thousands when
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  A cow cost somewhere 60 rubles
                  for your own living?
                  By the way, I’ve never found any mention of such decrees anywhere, and even in the Soviet school, and I began to study in the USSR, I don’t remember anything like that, although I was seriously engaged in ideological studies with us. As I understand it, the only source is a newspaper article and a work of art?
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  I called on my mobile ... Are you satisfied?

                  Satisfied. The story closely resembles the eerie GLAG of Solzhenitsyn.
                  1. +2
                    9 July 2018 21: 21
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    That is, they themselves did not know, and then they began to adjust the facts? And what prevented the use of these thousands when

                    I think if my mother knew that in more than 100 years there would be a certain DART2017 who would be interested in why it was so expensive to go to the shelter, then she would necessarily require a receipt or a certificate indicating the amount from the management of the shelter and save it for DART2017.
                    1. -1
                      9 July 2018 21: 58
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      I think if

                      This story was told to young children of preschool age, then it could go with a bang.
                      1. +2
                        10 July 2018 16: 02
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        This story was told to young children of preschool age, then it could go with a bang.

                        It’s a pity that you are so underdeveloped, I wrote you the answer with such subtle sarcasm, but you didn’t even understand it, it’s insulting. Well, okay, develop, otherwise you have not yet reached preschool age.
            3. -1
              9 July 2018 12: 36
              Quote: Alexander Green
              only the government established it: in order to take a child to a shelter, you have to pay 1000 rubles for him


              Do not share a link to the "establishment"?
    2. -1
      9 July 2018 12: 35
      "Lying as an eyewitness."
      Unfortunately, without documentary evidence, the price of such family legends recorded decades later is not high.
      1. +2
        9 July 2018 12: 55
        Quote: Gopnik
        "Lying as an eyewitness."

        Don't say Gop until you jumped over.
        1. -1
          9 July 2018 13: 28
          Don’t say it.
          1. +3
            9 July 2018 13: 55
            Quote: Gopnik
            Don’t say it.

            You, as Olga, fall into childhood
            1. 0
              9 July 2018 14: 14
              You fall into childhood, attracting some family tales from your distant childhood.
              1. +2
                9 July 2018 21: 11
                Quote: Gopnik
                You fall into childhood, attracting some family tales from your distant childhood.

                First, in childhood, one falls into who, as a child of great age, uses children's methods such as "" - "Sam."
                Secondly, I’m not telling stories, but what I saw with my own eyes or heard from my parents. I believe them more than Olgiev’s “statistics”.
  14. +1
    9 July 2018 05: 02
    I can’t understand one thing ... why did the USSR spit in the tsar’s past so?
    1. 0
      9 July 2018 14: 35
      Quote: Nitarius
      I can’t understand one thing ... why did the USSR spit in the tsar’s past so?

      created as a new opium for the people, and it was necessary to destroy the memory of past achievements ... something like that
    2. +2
      9 July 2018 15: 09
      Quote: Nitarius
      I can’t understand one thing ... why did the USSR spit in the tsar’s past so?

      Why are you so vague about the Soviet past?
      Did you want to return to the black plow and the smoking hut?
      And when and where did they spit in the past of their country in the USSR?
    3. +1
      9 July 2018 18: 14
      Quote: Nitarius
      I can’t understand one thing ... why did the USSR spit in the tsar’s past so?

      What is it like? I have not seen in any Soviet book! True, I did not read Soviet newspapers, I did not see them. And magazines. But now there are books and newspapers and TV, where they spit in the USSR.
      But I read the contemporaries of the tsars. THICK! CHEKHOVA! Bitter! TURGENINE! BUNINA! KUPRINA! Nekrasova!
      What are they? Someone taught you to cheat spice? Super! Or Leskov?
      1. 0
        10 July 2018 01: 06
        "And in the Pacific,
        You’ve finished your trip. "
    4. -1
      9 July 2018 20: 14
      Quote: Nitarius
      why did the USSR spit so much into the tsarist past

      Because they built on the principle that ideology is more important than the realities of life.
  15. -1
    10 July 2018 19: 40
    Quote: Alexander Green
    It’s a pity that you are so underdeveloped, I wrote you the answer with such subtle sarcasm, but you didn’t even understand it, it’s insulting. Well, okay, develop, otherwise you have not yet reached preschool age.

    It’s a pity that you are so underdeveloped and don’t know the wise rule that deception must have a reasonable limit, otherwise it will quickly be revealed
  16. +2
    11 July 2018 00: 23
    Quote: Dart2027
    It’s a pity that you are so underdeveloped and don’t know the wise rule that deception must have a reasonable limit, otherwise it will quickly be revealed

    Nowhere is there any deception. It’s just that you are at that level of development that you don’t yet know the meaning of the word “sarcasm”
    1. -1
      11 July 2018 05: 54
      Quote: Alexander Green
      There is no cheating anywhere

      About the inconsistencies of your story, I already wrote.
      Quote: Alexander Green
      you don’t know the meaning of the word "sarcasm"

      That is, there will be no other attempts to explain the inexplicable?
      1. +2
        11 July 2018 12: 35
        Quote: Dart2027
        About the inconsistencies of your story, I already wrote.

        There are no inconsistencies. This is a sweet life, which you know only from the training manual of Olgievich, which Goebbels composed to him, and whose main method is to slander: "slander, there will be something left"
        1. -1
          11 July 2018 19: 17
          Quote: Alexander Green
          There are no inconsistencies.

          Quote: Dart2027
          For two children paid 2000 rubles. A cow cost about 60 rubles. Continue?
          And by the way, how was your mother pleading with her aunt if they were taken somewhere? With the connection then it was not very.

          Quote: Dart2027
          And what kind of law was this?

          This is a sweet life, which you know only from the training manual of Soviet propaganda, the main method of which is slander: "slander, something will remain"
          1. +2
            11 July 2018 23: 03
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Dartu 2027 .... This is a sweet life, which you know only from the training manual of Olgievich, which was composed by Goebbels, and the main method of which is slander: "slander, there will be nothing left"

            Quote: Dart2027
            This is a sweet life, which you know only from the training manual of Soviet propaganda, the main method of which is slander: "slander, something will remain"


            Well, you’re already making a fool of yourself, like in a kindergarten, so that “mine is on top”. The Goebbels training manual says nothing about this, but you don’t have your own thoughts.
            1. -1
              12 July 2018 06: 28
              Quote: Alexander Green
              Well, you’re already making a fool of yourself, as in a kindergarten, so that “mine was on top”

              That is, essentially no objections?
              The training manual of Soviet propaganda does not say anything about this, but you have no thoughts of your own.
              Quote: Dart2027
              For two children paid 2000 rubles. A cow cost about 60 rubles. Continue?
              And by the way, how was your mother pleading with her aunt if they were taken somewhere? With the connection then it was not very.

              Quote: Dart2027
              And what kind of law was this?
              1. +1
                12 July 2018 12: 06
                Quote: Dart2027
                That is, essentially no objections?

                But do you object in essence? Where and in what place? Goebbelstins rehash in the presentation of Olgovich and your interpretation. There are no objections in essence.
              2. +2
                12 July 2018 13: 31
                Quote: Dart2027
                That is, essentially no objections?

                Why argue, do you have any soap? Your answers at the level of "Du-ak! Sam do-ak!"
                1. -1
                  12 July 2018 19: 59
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  Why argue, do you have any soap?

                  And you could not read them?
                  So what kind of law is this about which nothing is known?
                  Why, then, did huge money by the standards of the peasants give away somewhere, instead of taking it as a fee for raising them?
                  How did your mother plead with her aunt if they were taken somewhere, if the connection was not very good?
                  1. +2
                    14 July 2018 00: 42
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    How did your mother plead with her aunt if they were taken somewhere, if the connection was not very good?

                    Can’t you guess? I called on my mobile, she had an iPhone ...
                    Yes, okay, do not suffer, otherwise you'll sleep badly.
                    In all shelters for religious holidays, relatives were allowed to visit the pupils.
                    PS You don’t know the story at all, but you’re trying to catch me on something. My dear friend, who needs someone else’s burden, it was necessary to pay 1000 rubles for each child for a shelter, and if you adopt an orphan, the state paid only 2 rubles a month for it.
                    1. -1
                      14 July 2018 07: 04
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      In all shelters for religious holidays, relatives were allowed to visit the pupils.

                      Was he around the corner? Then the shelters were not at every step, but somewhat less frequently. Communication means not only telephones, but also communication in the sense of travel. Well, let's say that he was very close, but this is the third most important question - for the rest, nothing?
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      My dear friend, who needs someone else’s burden, it was necessary to pay 1000 rubles for each child for a shelter, and if you adopt an orphan, the state paid only 2 rubles a month for it.

                      And the fact that you get 2000 rubles with her, which was huge money for a peasant family, does it matter? And when does the link to the law on these thousands appear?
                    2. +1
                      14 July 2018 19: 02
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Communication means not only phones,

                      And you still do not understand what the question is - is that the answer? The fact that you are a demagogue of the highest degree can be seen with the naked eye, and also slow-witted.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      And the fact that you get 2000 rubles with her, which was huge money for a peasant family, does it matter?

                      It doesn’t reach you that the state pays 2 rubles per month for an adopted orphan. In this case, no one would allow a house to be sold.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      And when does the link to the law on these thousands appear?

                      I already gave you a link to the newspaper of that time, do not believe it, look for it yourself.
                      1. -1
                        14 July 2018 20: 02
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        And you still do not understand what the question is - is that the answer?
                        I mean nothing to answer?
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        In this case, no one would allow a house to be sold.
                        Who is not allowed? These are the internal affairs of the community. That is, again, fairy tales.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        I already gave you a link to the newspaper of that time
                        That time? Firstly, it speaks of the struggle against Soviet power, that is, a newspaper was published when this power appeared, that is, after the revolution. Have you read what you are referring to? Secondly, in this newspaper there are only statements of some worker who claims that he supposedly stands close to these institutions, though he doesn’t even specify what.
                        Where is the link to the law that, in your words, the government passed?
                        The fact that you are a demagogue of the highest degree can be seen with the naked eye, and also slow-witted.
                      2. +2
                        15 July 2018 00: 41
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        The fact that you are a demagogue of the highest degree can be seen with the naked eye, and also slow-witted

                        I thought that you own the tricks of the Ministry of Internal Affairs: to beat your opponent with stupid questions, and you turn out to be an ordinary kindergarten, you just make a fool of yourself.
                        PS Well, look for yourself at least gugde, if you are interested, information about the shelters in tsarist Russia. There are regulations for shelters, but prices are not indicated there, as they were constantly changing, but in one place I found that in a year a child’s table maintenance is more than 100 rubles. Children were small, took minima for 10 years. Count.
  17. -1
    11 July 2018 19: 14
    Quote: The Swordsman
    One of Hitler’s closest associates is an open homosexual.

    Together with other leaders, the SA was killed by order of Hitler on the "night of long knives."
    It's a shame not to know.
    1. +1
      12 July 2018 12: 09
      Quote: Dart2027
      It's a shame not to know.

      It’s a shame not to know that REM paved the way for Hitler with its stormtroopers, and, having encroached on a position not less than equivalent to Hitler in the NSDAP, together with a bunch of its subordinates, yes, it was killed that very night, “long knives”
      Focus, your all objections, on the verge of kindergarten.
      1. -1
        12 July 2018 20: 00
        Quote: The Swordsman
        It’s a shame not to know that REM paved the way for Hitler with its attack aircraft

        So what? In politics, using someone is a common trick, only Hitler got rid of Rem at the first opportunity, so it would be strange to consider him a friend.
        1. 0
          12 July 2018 20: 23
          Quote: Dart2027
          In politics, using someone is a common trick.

          Interesting ...
          It means that it is permissible for the Germans, Anglo-Saxons, Japanese, and even Martians, in your opinion, it is permissible, but if you go into the conversation about LEGAL sentences for different crooks in the USSR, you immediately begin to shed tears, ah, repressions, ah, innocent ... unacceptable measures. ... and for the USSR and its leadership, legal reprisals against those who played and direct crime are forbidden?
          Something in your logical constructions is pretty rotten.
          1. -1
            12 July 2018 20: 35
            Quote: The Swordsman
            but it’s worth stopping by to talk about LEGAL sentences on various dodgers in the USSR

            Are you talking about 37? Read my comments on the site - the company that was then judged by me has a very negative attitude. But this does not abolish the utopian ideas of communism and the fact that no one could object to the content of the article.
            1. +2
              12 July 2018 20: 40
              Quote: Dart2027
              But this does not cancel the utopian ideas of communism

              Utopianism .. Is this what Chubais told you?
              1. -1
                12 July 2018 20: 50
                Quote: The Swordsman
                Chubais told you this.

                There is such a boring science as biology. Do you know this? And from the point of view of this science, any biological species has a certain set of instincts embedded in it. And humanity is no exception.
                1. 0
                  13 July 2018 09: 13
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  There is such a boring science as biology. XNUMX

                  From this boring science, you and the like have put forward the idea of ​​social Darwinism, which is essentially the same Nazism. It’s not only racial. And according to property stratification. What are you happy about?
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  biological species has a certain set of instincts embedded in it

                  Sotsmal - Darwinists yes, a special kind of hominids, putting at the forefront the most low-lying living instincts.
                  But human society, which, unlike a pack of rats or a pack of jackals, has a cultural component, allows it to get rid of the instincts laid down since ancient times through social and cultural taboos.
                  If you don’t understand this, if you are closer to the savagery of social Darwinism, to humanization, then at the output we get the finished view of Nazism — are you striving for this?
                  1. -1
                    13 July 2018 16: 52
                    Quote: The Swordsman
                    From this boring science, you and others like you have advanced the idea of ​​social Darwinism.

                    It's not the name, but the essence. This is our nature - can you object?
                    Quote: The Swordsman
                    But human society, which, unlike a pack of rats or a pack of jackals, has a cultural component, allows it to get rid of the instincts laid down since ancient times through social and cultural taboos.

                    If everything was so simple, then humanity would have long ago come to communism, and without any revolutions. This is in theory. But in practice, when the question of survival raises an edge, then all the taboos go to the forest, and those who follow them are simply cut out. The 90s is an example of this.
                2. +2
                  13 July 2018 15: 03
                  Among the many instincts of different species, there are 2 most common, characteristic of ALL TYPES (except viruses), to which almost all the others are reduced: 1) the instinct for personal conservation and 2) the instinct for species conservation.
                  But from a human point of view, some of the manifestations of these two, to put it mildly, are terrible and wild, if man did:
                  For example, females of many species of spiders after mating devour their "cavaliers", and in some species, spiders immediately after birth --- eat their mother !!! Otherwise --- do not gain strength !!!
                  Another example. Large kangaroos (and some other marsupials), when a predator chases a female, throw the cub out of the bag !!! If the cub is saved --- she will then come back for him, and the cub is preparing for this (hiding in the bushes and freezing)! Well, if not ... Well --- well, she will give birth again! And both would die!
                  And the last one. Sea Holoturia, in order to divert the attention of a predator, "" shoots "" at it with its insides !!!!!!!!!!!!!! New ones will grow. Samurai have a rest!
              2. +2
                13 July 2018 06: 10
                Quote: The Swordsman
                Quote: Dart2027
                But this does not cancel the utopian ideas of communism

                Utopianism .. Is this what Chubais told you?

                There is nothing more utopian than the idea of ​​a market that will put everything in its place, teach everyone, etc. ..... A utopian capitalism with a human face ----- a fairy tale and garbage !!!!!!
                1. -1
                  13 July 2018 16: 58
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  Among the many instincts of different species, there are 2 most common, characteristic of ALL TYPES (except viruses), to which almost all the others are reduced: 1) the instinct for personal conservation and 2) the instinct for species conservation.

                  There is another third - the preservation of their offspring.
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  There is nothing more utopian than the idea of ​​a market that will put everything in its place, teach everyone, etc.

                  And nobody believes in it. This rubbish was rubbed on us precisely because it does not work. In fact, in all countries there is a close adhesion of the state and large business, which also uses regulation.
                  1. +2
                    14 July 2018 12: 22
                    [quote = Dart2027] [quote = Reptiloid]. [/ quote]
                    There is another third - the preservation of their offspring.
                    [quote = Reptiloid]. [/ quote]
                    There is a Russian proverb about such an opinion: "" he does not see the forest behind the trees "". For example, special cases of the instinct of personal preservation are: swallowing, breathing, sucking (in mammals), following the mother, causing bodily injuries of various types to enemies, and also going to the toilet ...
                    And your "" care for the offspring "" is one of the points of the instinct of species conservation.
                    Therefore, copying the animal instinct to humanity will not bring anything good!
                    1. -1
                      14 July 2018 13: 35
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      And your "" care for the offspring "" is one of the points of instinct for species conservation

                      I somehow strongly doubt that animals will distinguish between such nuances.
                      But in relation to people, it is dominant, unlike the species, simply because both Russian and Jewish and Ethiopian are one BV.
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      Therefore, copying the animal instinct to humanity will not bring anything good!

                      Do you know where there is another humanity?
  18. -1
    15 July 2018 06: 46
    Quote: Alexander Green
    I thought that you own the tricks of the Ministry of Internal Affairs: to beat your opponent with stupid questions, and you turn out to be an ordinary kindergarten, you just make a fool of yourself.
    That's just to answer the questions you are not very successful. Moreover, the questions are quite obvious to themselves.
    Quote: Alexander Green
    PS Well, look for yourself at least gugde, if you are interested, information about the shelters in Tsarist Russia.
    It’s very interesting, only each person confirms his statements with links to the source. If I have to look for them, then it turns out that they are not.
    Quote: Alexander Green
    There are regulations for shelters, but prices are not indicated there, as they were constantly changing, but in one place I found that in a year a child’s table maintenance is more than 100 rubles. Children were small, took minima for 10 years. Count.
    Once again I repeat:
    Where is the link to the law that, in your words, the government passed? Precisely on the law?
    And the fact that you get 2000 rubles with her, which was huge money for a peasant family, does it matter? Having received this amount at a time, it was possible to seriously improve life.

    You don’t know what else to come up with?
    Quote: Dart2027
    And whenever an article appears that says something good about RI in general or about Nicholas II in particular, how terribly dissatisfied appear in the comments, moreover, in most cases they cannot say anything about the contents of the article.
    1. +2
      15 July 2018 16: 40
      Quote: Dart2027
      You don’t know what else to come up with?

      Oh, I don’t know how to satisfy your curiosity. Your anti-Soviet brotherhood from the archives exposes on the Internet only “The most important documents” type "Eczema on the pubis of a red ensign", but what you requested has not yet been found, look, maybe you are lucky.
      Although, maybe it will calm you down?
      https://aberrationist.livejournal.com/28853.html
      «One of the most unsettled was peasant custody. In accordance with paragraph 6 of Art. 179 of the General Regulation on Peasants, the duty to charity orphans was assigned to peasant society. In the appointment of guardians and trustees, the peasants were guided by their local customs. The guardian was usually appointed by a rural assembly, by drawing up a public sentence. The close relatives of the child had the preferential custody of the peasants. In cases where the child had movable property, it was sold, and the proceeds were issued by the rural municipality board to everyone who wanted to borrow. At the end of the guardianship, money and interest on them were returned to the ward. The guardians did not receive any remuneration for their activities. ”

      If you know how to think, then you will understand that no one needs an extra burden, here the orphans have been sent to a shelter, and if it doesn’t reach you again, then contact ....
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        15 July 2018 17: 10
        Quote: Alexander Green
        Although, maybe it will calm you down?
        Soothing. No law that they say you need to pay a thousand rubles for the shelter is not mentioned. How many times have I asked him to bring?
        The cited link says that the issue of orphans is an internal affair of the peasant community. I remember you already wrote:
        Quote: Dart2027
        That is, in your own words, the community robbed them? That is, peasants like themselves? And where does the king? Maybe your grandfather needed to fight with his neighbors?
        By the way, by the link you provided, you could only sell movable propertybut the land and the house are already immovable, so whether they had the right to sell it is again a question for the peasants.
        The nineteenth century also saw the stage of development of institutional institutions for children. On July 16, 1816, an Imperial philanthropic society was created, organizing and coordinating work to provide assistance to the poor on a national scale. Various societies and shelters are being created to support children without parental care. Old institutions are also being improved.
        This is also from the article you cited.
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          15 July 2018 22: 12
          Quote: Dart2027
          Soothing. No law that they say you need to pay a thousand rubles for the shelter is not mentioned. How many times have I asked him to bring?

          I’m no longer comfortable for you, you don’t move your brain at all.
          Where and when did you see the RI Laws that set any prices? And in general, could this be? If, for example, the law was adopted under Alexander 2, and the event occurred under Nicholas 2.
          Bear with a little, maybe the archivists will still find any information about the prices you are interested in and put up on the site, or order yourself, if it is so interesting to you, you are our curious Dostoevsky.
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            16 July 2018 19: 19
            Quote: Alexander Green
            I’m no longer comfortable for you, you don’t move your brain at all.

            Is that you about yourself?
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Where and when did you see the RI Laws that set any prices? And in general, could this be?

            So it’s not you who claimed that the price of admission to an orphanage is 1000 rubles?
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Bear with a little, maybe the archivists will still find any information about the rates you are interested in.

            That is, the whole story you told is just a terrible tale. Q.E.D.
  19. +1
    17 July 2018 03: 12
    Dart2027 moved me to this story, who was digging to the smallest detail, trying to deprive me of the fact that I invent everything.
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Where and when did you see the RI Laws that set any prices? And in general, could this be?
    So it’s not you who claimed that the price of admission to an orphanage is 1000 rubles?
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Bear with a little, maybe the archivists will still find any information about the rates you are interested in.
    That is, the whole story you told is just a terrible tale. Q.E.D.

    No, this is not a fairy tale, this is the story of my mother about how she lived in Tsarist Russia. Believe it or not.
    I tell this to young people who did not study in the Soviet school, and therefore do not know the history of people from the working people.
    Two girls, one 6 years old (my future mother), the other 4 years old in the summer of 1915 were left without their mother. A wild cat bit her and she died from blood poisoning. There were no hospitals in the villages then. The tsar father did not take care of this, and he sent the dad of the girls and almost all the other dads of the poor children from this village to fight with the Germans over the Bosporus and Dardanelles.
    Dads of rich children who remained in the village gathered the council of the community and decided to take the sisters to an orphanage, because none of the villagers either could or did not want to take them into their care. But it cost a lot of money *). Then they sold the house of these unfortunate orphans and took them to the provincial orphanage.
    There were evil educators who severely punished children, beat, knelt in a corner on peas, forced to learn prayers. The girls cried, asked to go home. In the end, their aunt took pity on them and took the girls to her. But the aunt didn’t have a sweet life either, the aunt had her young children, her husband died at the front, and the orphans, as elders, had to go through the villages and ask for alms ...
    So they waited for their dad, he came to visit after being wounded. I tried to get my house back, but nothing worked. And then the vacation ended, and he again had to return to the unit, because the government continued the murderous war ....
    Then the October Revolution took place, the civil war began, the daddy girls honestly won back for the Soviet power, and in 1921 he returned home permanently, married the widowed aunt, who replaced the orphans mother, tried again to return his house and land. But in the village council all the same popes of rich children (fists) were sitting, and he again failed. It came to fights, in one of which he was almost stabbed with braids, and then at the family council they decided to leave for the city ....
    In the city, dad got a job at a factory, sewed shoes, girls went to school, the family continued to grow, there were seven daughters and two sons, all got an education, good work, raised their children. Unfortunately, the middle sister died early, she participated in the atomic project and received strong radiation. Sons fought, the eldest died in 1941, the younger was surrounded and then fought in the partisan detachment as chief of intelligence, after the war he became an investigator of the prosecutor’s office ...

    I told this story, but Dart 2017 does not believe me. It can be seen that his grandfathers and grandmothers told him a different story, how they all lived well with the king-priest. They did not know what it was to ask for charity, they were at this time when the orphans asked for charity, ate sweets and crunched French rolls. But this was not the case with everyone, but only with those who were parasitizing on such as the father of these orphans.
    *) I found on the Internet and brought the figure -1000 rubles. for each child
    https://poltora-bobra.livejournal.com/590194.html

    Dart2027 does not believe this link and, as Olgievich, only the Law requires ...
    I have not found a law, but I believe this figure, because there is scientific research on the Internet that contains information on how much the maintenance of girls in different orphanages cost - from 90 to 130 rubles a year, and since. They planned to take the girls not for a year, but for the entire period of education (at least 10 years), so this figure is real.
    1. +1
      17 July 2018 08: 57
      I thought about this life story for a long time. Why? Why? Maybe the answer would be if you knew who bought the land of the family and the house. Essentially, juvenile police. As now, maybe in whose interests. Maybe a kind of bribe to those officials. Payment for 10 years. And stayed there less. Who cares?
      For example, at the beginning of the article it is very well written that it is not known how to spend it. And I wanted to save such considerable sums that noble ladies played as a nanny, just to save money.
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      17 July 2018 19: 24
      Quote: Alexander Green
      I told this story, but Dart 2017 does not believe me.
      Very dramatic. Now essentially.
      Quote: Alexander Green
      I found on the Internet and brought the figure -1000 rubles. for each child
      I can find a bunch of slurred links on any topic, so what? They claimed that a law had been passed by the government.
      Quote: Alexander Green
      The tsar "may be nothing to do with", but only the government has established it: in order to take a child to a shelter, you have to pay 1000 rubles for him.
      Your words? Yours. So where is the law passed by the government?
      Quote: Alexander Green
      I did not find a law, but I believe this figure, because there are scientific studies on the Internet where there is information about how much the maintenance of girls in different orphanages cost
      The fact that these shelters were maintained by the state, or you could not find private donors?
      1. +1
        17 July 2018 21: 55
        Quote: Dart2027
        Your words? Yours. So where is the law passed by the government?

        Patience, maybe the archivists will find and publish it, or ask Shpakovsky, he will find you. Just the difference: both sisters were handed over to the state shelter in the provincial city, for which the community paid for their house.
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          18 July 2018 17: 38
          Quote: Alexander Green
          Patience, maybe the archivists will find and publish it, or ask Shpakovsky, he will find you

          That is, there was no law, and all this is your invention.
          Quote: Alexander Green
          for the reception in which the community paid their home

          If this story is not a lie from the first to the last word that you wrote “on your knee”, then the community simply robbed orphans by selling their property and sharing money. What I, by the way, already wrote to you ..
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            5 August 2018 18: 27
            Quote: Dart2027
            That is, there was no law, and all this is your invention.

            I was away for some time, where there was no Internet and, upon arrival, I was surprised to find that my completely harmless answer was deleted. You probably haven't even read it. I restore from memory.
            You were constantly tormented by the question of the cost of keeping orphans in shelters, and you certainly wanted to have the royal law in evidence, not otherwise. All other links you rejected.
            I still found such a law. See the link Complete collection of laws of the Russian Empire.
            https://books.google.com.ua/books?id=BvSNBQAAQBAJ
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            So that you do not suffer from a search, I quote below, copied with the help of a Print Screen, a piece of a typical Regulation on an orphanage.

            The Regulation, approved by the king-father himself, indicates recommendations to orphanages for calculating maintenance fees (paragraph 24). The content calculation itself is done locally.
            In some sources, I found that at the beginning of the 20th century, for various orphaned homes, payment for a year of maintenance ranged from 90 to 130 rubles.
            http://scjournal.ru/articles/issn_1997-292X_2014_
            6-1_22.pdf
            https://www.intuit.ru/studies/courses/3543/785/le
            cture / 30138? page = 3
            They paid for the sisters immediately for all future detention time. And when they were taken from the orphanage, then all payment was gone. This is also written in the Regulation (paragraph 25). I hope your darling calms down already.
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              5 August 2018 20: 55
              You see, Alexander, I have repeatedly noticed that comments that have a large number of links, like yours, are deleted. Sometimes immediately, sometimes much later. Why? I do not know. There is probably some rule that we have forgotten. Mikado was somehow very worried about it. In May. To Polonsky's article.
              I saw that your comment, he was here for a very long time. He doesn't read anyway. Absolutely.
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              5 August 2018 21: 46
              Quote: Alexander Green
              The Regulation, approved by the king-father himself, indicates recommendations to orphanages for calculating maintenance fees (paragraph 24).
              Read. I quote:
              P. 3. Pensioners of both sexes may be accepted into an orphanage, if the place allows them to allocate the necessary premises for them.

              P. 24 For charity boarders...
              An orphan and a boarder are not the same thing; try reading an explanatory dictionary at your leisure.


              Followed two other links. Read. I quote:
              The structure of the financial sources of the companies was as follows: membership fees, appropriations from the city budget, charitable donations from private individuals, fees from concerts, performances, allegri lotteries, income from entrepreneurial activities (for example, from leasing public buildings), income from valuable papers. The listed sources of financing formed the funds of the Far Eastern charitable societies in different proportions. But in any case, benefits from local budgets were not the dominant form of support.
              ...
              Thus, orphanages in the Far East of Russia, as special institutions of public charity, performed the functions of training, moral, and labor education of orphans of both sexes. Their creation was carried out on the basis of adopted laws on the care and social protection of the disadvantaged. As in Russia as a whole, the orphanages of the Far East were an institution of a public-state system of charity, which made it possible to change the social situation of the Far Eastern population for the better.

              In 1860, in the county town of Toropets near Pskov, another St. Olga's orphanage was established. The Toropetsk shelter was opened to V.L. Non-equity capital. The shelter was located on the second floor of a stone two-story house, which also belonged to him. The shelter brought up exclusively girls aged 3 to 12 years. The shelter existed on interest from the founder’s fixed capital and on capital, which was formed from lotteries and donations from private individuals in the amount of 3200 rubles, as well as interest on capital in the amount of 3600 rubles.

              Have you tried to read what is written in the text you are referring to?

              Bottom line - once again you could not bring any evidence for your tale. So where is the link to the "terrible law"?
              1. +1
                6 August 2018 15: 16
                Quote: Dart2027
                An orphan and a boarder are not the same thing; try reading an explanatory dictionary at your leisure.

                And you did not try to think with your brains that all: both orphans and pensioners are called boarders upon admission to an orphanage.
                Your straightforward thinking or stubbornness does not allow you to perceive these logical connections, which indicates your limitations, so I see no reason to discuss with you further, you are simply not interesting to me.
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                  6 August 2018 19: 39
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  And you did not try to think with your brains that everything: both orphans and pensioners, when they enter the orphanage, are called boarders.

                  And you did not try to think with your brains that the word pensioners
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  The orphanage can be taken and pensioners of both sexes
                  it's just a typo and right
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  For charity boarders
                  Паnsionery are not orphans and nеnsionery. Now, once again, we read this code of laws.
                  Chapter 3 On the reception of orphans.
                  Section 1 - On the reception of orphans from the merchants, bourgeoisie, townspeople and commoners. Paragraphs 13-16.
                  There is no talk about any payment.
                  Section 2 - On the reception of orphans from officials. Paragraphs 17-20.
                  There is no talk about any payment.
                  Section 3 - On the reception of boarders. Paragraphs 21-30
                  And only there it says about payment.
                  Who was your grandmother there? A peasant woman? Then section 1.
                  And since you cannot read the word in the dictionary:
                  A boarding school is a pupil of an educational institution who is fully supported in a hostel or boarding school.
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Have you tried to read what is written in the text you are referring to?

                  How much can I judge no? Your straightforward thinking or stubbornness does not allow you to perceive these logical connections, which indicates your limitations.
                  So where is the link to the law?
                  1. +1
                    7 August 2018 01: 12
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    So where is the link to the law?

                    Sorry, dear, if you are not able to understand the law, and do not know how it was applied, then I can’t help you anymore.
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                      7 August 2018 06: 44
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      Sorry, dear, if you are not able
                      find confirmation of their tales, and do not know anything about real, not ideological history, then I can’t help you anymore.
                      1. +1
                        8 August 2018 00: 48
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        find confirmation of their tales, and do not know anything about real, not ideological history, then I can’t help you anymore.

                        I noticed that in your answers you constantly repeat my words. This technique is called "monkey-yan-whit." Thank you, now I will know that human logical thinking versus human-like thinking .... is powerless.
          3. +1
            11 August 2018 17: 22
            Why now it makes no sense to talk about those laws and argue. In fact, there could be anything. For example, there were inheritance laws. But in practice it turned out that if the heir is in the army for a long time, then the community disposes of this inheritance, namely the land, at its discretion, contrary to the law. I wrote about this. A special commission examined these complaints and could not do anything. True, maybe then they came up with something, but I did not follow.
            Quote: Dart2027
            ........ If this story is not a lie from the first to the last word that you composed "on the knee," then the community simply robbed the orphans, selling their property and dividing the money. By the way, I already wrote to you about this ..
  20. +2
    8 August 2018 02: 50
    Alexander Green, No, Alexander,
    This is not ape! This technique is called joining. And she has her own goals. I observe with interest how some characters use different techniques, including self-PR, self-presentation. ...... every time I think that now, make the stupid, pray, he will break his forehead.
  21. -2
    8 August 2018 18: 58
    Quote: Alexander Green
    I noticed that in your answers you constantly repeat my words. This technique is called "monkey-yan-whit." Thank you, now I will know that human logical thinking versus human-like thinking .... is powerless.
    What to do if you cannot answer in essence? So I’m going down to your level. Is there still no reference to the law?
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      9 August 2018 00: 04
      Quote: Dart2027
      Is there still no reference to the law?

      Your manic persistence to refute my story reminded me of a case that happened with Army General Gorbatov. When he brought his memoirs to glavlit (there was such an organization that vomited the officiality of presenting history), he was struck out by a decent number of military episodes, referring to the fact that they are not mentioned in Zhukov’s memoirs, nor Konev’s, nor anyone else. Gorbatov tried to prove that he saw it with his own eyes, but the officials were inexorable ... You surpassed them ...
      PS Yes, I gave you a link to the law, the fact that you did not understand it is your problem ...
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        9 August 2018 06: 29
        Quote: Alexander Green
        PS Yes, I gave you a link to the law, the fact that you did not understand it is your problem ...
        Well again
        Quote: Dart2027
        Boarders are not orphans and not pensioners. Now, once again, we read this code of laws.
        Chapter 3 On the reception of orphans.
        Section 1 - On the reception of orphans from the merchants, bourgeoisie, townspeople and commoners. Paragraphs 13-16.
        There is no talk about any payment.
        Section 2 - On the reception of orphans from officials. Paragraphs 17-20.
        There is no talk about any payment.
        Section 3 - On the reception of boarders. Paragraphs 21-30
        And only there it says about payment.
        Who was your grandmother there? A peasant woman? Then section 1.
        And since you cannot read the word in the dictionary:
        A boarding school is a pupil of an educational institution who is fully supported in a hostel or boarding school.

        Quote: Dart2027
        Followed two other links. Read. I quote:
        The structure of the financial sources of the companies was as follows: membership fees, appropriations from the city budget, charitable donations from private individuals, fees from concerts, performances, allegri lotteries, income from entrepreneurial activities (for example, from leasing public buildings), income from valuable papers. The listed sources of financing formed the funds of the Far Eastern charitable societies in different proportions. But in any case, benefits from local budgets were not the dominant form of support.
        ...
        Thus, orphanages in the Far East of Russia, as special institutions of public charity, performed the functions of training, moral, and labor education of orphans of both sexes. Their creation was carried out on the basis of adopted laws on the care and social protection of the disadvantaged. As in Russia as a whole, the orphanages of the Far East were an institution of a public-state system of charity, which made it possible to change the social situation of the Far Eastern population for the better.

        In 1860, in the county town of Toropets near Pskov, another St. Olga's orphanage was established. The Toropetsk shelter was opened to V.L. Non-equity capital. The shelter was located on the second floor of a stone two-story house, which also belonged to him. The shelter brought up exclusively girls aged 3 to 12 years. The shelter existed on interest from the founder’s fixed capital and on capital, which was formed from lotteries and donations from private individuals in the amount of 3200 rubles, as well as interest on capital in the amount of 3600 rubles.

        Have you tried to read what is written in the text you are referring to?
        Quote: Alexander Green
        Your manic persistence refute my story
        That is, essentially nothing again? Will there be no links to the law?
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          9 August 2018 23: 48
          Quote: Dart2027
          That is, essentially nothing again? Will there be no links to the law?

          Bast, yes, bastard, start over. Well, how much can you chew this chewing gum with royal law, in which the price of maintenance in the shelter supposedly should be set. Does it not reach you that laws of this level do not establish a fee, this is not a royal matter, they determine only the general principles of financing.
          I gave you a link to the royal law, which states that the price is set locally, based on the capabilities of the orphanage. What is incomprehensible here?

          In addition, you absolutely can not imagine the situation in the village during the German war.
          If, before the war, the peasants at the very least, but still sorted the orphans into families, then with the start of the war this stopped because the economic situation in the village had worsened sharply, because in almost all families, the entire adult male population was taken under arms.
          There were even more orphans during the war, and there weren’t enough places in shelters for everyone, and in order to put a child there, we had to make large contributions, because funds for the maintenance of shelters were also not enough. They were drawn from donations, most often from Zemstvo institutions, including from the rural community.
          So the community took advantage of this, sold the house and contributed the proceeds so that the orphans were placed in a shelter. What's so unusual?
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            10 August 2018 16: 10
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Does it not reach you that laws of this level do not establish a fee, this is not a royal matter, they determine only the general principles of financing.

            Blah blah blah ... First, shout about the law that they accept only a thousand rubles in a shelter, and then suddenly it turns out that there is no law.
            Quote: Alexander Green
            I gave you a link to the royal law, which states that the price is set locally, based on the capabilities of the orphanage. What is incomprehensible here?

            And I explained to you in detail that it is a matter of the fact that, if there is free space, children who have guardians who for some reason want to place them in the shelter can take them to the shelter. What is incomprehensible here?
            Quote: Alexander Green
            So the community took advantage of this, sold the house and contributed the proceeds so that the orphans were placed in a shelter. What's so unusual?
            Firstly, you again pass off your conjectures as truth, secondly
            Quote: Dart2027
            Why, then, did huge money by the standards of the peasants give away somewhere, instead of taking it as a fee for raising them?
            Not tired of trying to fit the facts into your fairy tale?
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              11 August 2018 13: 43
              Quote: Dart2027
              Not tired of trying to fit the facts into your fairy tale?

              Again, my answer, site watchers deleted, apparently, take care of your psychological peace.

              In general, dear, it’s time to finish your bodygap. I told you everything, if you don’t understand something, then these are your problems ...

              I can’t write which ones, otherwise I’m afraid it will be deleted.
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                11 August 2018 15: 06
                Quote: Alexander Green
                apparently take care of your psychological calm.

                I can’t say anything, I don’t know.
                Quote: Alexander Green
                I told you everything, if you don’t understand something, then these are your problems ...

                Yes, I understood everything a long time ago.
                Quote: Dart2027
                And whenever an article appears that says something good about RI in general, or about Nicholas II in particular, how terribly dissatisfied appear in the comments, moreover, in most cases they cannot say anything about the contents of the article.

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