Army berets were worse than canvas boots

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Russian military massively complain about the quality of army boots, which have replaced the famous "kirzachi", the newspaper writes Look.

Army berets were worse than canvas boots




Soldiers are given two types of shoes - summer and winter, said Sergeant Alexey Soloviev. However, those and others have more minuses than pluses.

According to him, in the summer berets the feet sweat a lot, the shoes burst, especially around the heel.

On the cape of the berts there is a seam in one thread, which quickly rots. There may also burst the shoe itself on the outside. The lining absorbs the smell strongly and quickly decays. When the temperature drops, the legs quickly freeze,
said Solovyov.

As for winter shoes, it is very heavy and not only the outer side bursts in it, but the entire boot is in the crook. With severe frosts, berets do not save their feet, he said.

According to military expert Denis Mokrushin, one of the most common is a complaint about the poor quality of shoes: regular walking leads to flaking of the sole. Bertsy even season, from spring to autumn, can not hold out

The newspaper reminds that the transition from boots to shoes began in 2007, under the Minister of Defense Anatolia Serdyukov. In 2013, this process was completed by Sergei Shoigu.

According to Mokrushin, changes in military shoes are made annually. The minister decided that for the army the best solution would be the analogue American Corcoran Marauder shoes. For the development of the model, Donobuv and Paritet were involved. In 2015, the troops received the first batch of new summer shoes, but it quickly became clear that their quality leaves much to be desired - the sole is broken, the textiles are torn.

In 2017, Voentorg JSC became a supplier of shoes. However, if you believe social networks, shoes continue to supply all the same "Donobuv" and "Parity", as well as the company "Faraday" and "Paris Commune".

My acquaintances who serve in the Western and Central districts were told that everything was fine with the shoes: an experienced sock was carried out in the Kantemirovskaya division, and she showed that the boots were good. Just fighters allegedly wear them wrong, so they are falling apart from them. From this we can conclude that no one will change the berets anymore - go for what is,
Mokrushin added.

According to the newspaper, the cost of a pair of winter boots is 5900 rubles, summer - 1800 rubles.

As noted in the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers of Russia, the situation is gradually improving - it has become better, but not perfect.

Army shoe manufacturers have not commented on complaints about their products.
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  1. +21
    1 July 2018 17: 27
    Alarmists. A soldier must endure the difficulties of service.
    Serdyukov said Corcoran Marauder boots are better than boots, hence the way it is.

    By the way, what is this "Committee of Soldiers' Mothers"?
    Berezovsky has long glued fins. Who is financing this almshouse now?
    1. +26
      1 July 2018 17: 31
      Quote: Pereira
      Alarmists. A soldier must endure the difficulties of service.
      The party said Corcoran Marauder boots. Better boots, the way it is.

      Adult shoes for 1800 rub?
      What do they make of them?
      What kind of world are they in MORF?
      I have Timberland original demi-season cost 20 thousand
      1. +38
        1 July 2018 18: 02
        And I think that in general it’s necessary to change the soldier in Gucci, so that at least 50 thousand per couple! Look, what bastards, team balances for 20 thousand are sorry for conscripts!
        1. +68
          1 July 2018 18: 27
          I wonder who paid how much to whom.
          The manufacturer makes specially rotten threads. After all, you can use a synthetic thread, it will last for many years. The manufacturer is not profitable.
          The sole exfoliates - either poor-quality glue, or it was put a little. And since the machine glues on mass production, it is programmed that way.
          The material is torn - so the material is.
          And worst of all, someone from the top is making money on it. Once Shoigu was smeared in this (namely, he participated in the final abandonment of the tarp) - then at least he or not less than his rank.
          sad
          1. +5
            2 July 2018 01: 21
            Quote: Shurik70
            I wonder who paid how much to whom.
            The manufacturer makes specially rotten threads. After all, you can use a synthetic thread, it will last for many years. The manufacturer is not profitable.
            The sole exfoliates - either poor-quality glue, or it was put a little. And since the machine glues on mass production, it is programmed that way.
            The material is torn - so the material is.
            And worst of all, someone from the top is making money on it. Once Shoigu was smeared in this (namely, he participated in the final abandonment of the tarp) - then at least he or not less than his rank.
            sad


            Everything in Russia as before ... They drink and steal. Except for a short period of time.

          2. +4
            2 July 2018 04: 12
            Quote: Shurik70
            And worst of all, someone from the top is making money on it. Once Shoigu was smeared in this (namely, he participated in the final abandonment of the tarp) - then at least he or not less than his rank.


            The newspaper recalls that the transition from boots to boots began in 2007 with the Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov. In 2013, this process completed the Sergey Shoigu

            Quote: Shurik70
            (namely he participated in the final failure from kirsa)


            It is not clear, however.

            Serdyukov began to change. So Serdyukov made an extreme decision. Correctly?

            Shoigu in 2007 had no relation to the army.

            The Sun and the Ministry of Emergencies are two different things.
            1. +5
              2 July 2018 12: 54
              article paid by bertz producers laughing
              but in general, during my service, we dreamed of berets instead of kirzachs.
              1. +3
                2 July 2018 13: 26
                We also dreamed, already then in the 90s, officers said that boots with footcloths were better for a soldier, and many of those who had recently returned from Armenia claim that they were happy to wear boots.
                1. -5
                  7 July 2018 10: 09
                  you can wear them as much as your heart desires, but you won’t be able to fight in kirzach, they are in order to die.
                  1. +12
                    7 July 2018 14: 31
                    Quote: nekromonger
                    you can wear them as much as your heart desires, but you won’t be able to fight in kirzach, they are in order to die.

                    Did you wear them yourself? if the footcloths did not learn to reel, then this is not the manufacturer of boots to blame.
                  2. +3
                    22 July 2018 21: 10
                    Quote: nekromonger
                    you can wear them as much as your heart desires, but you won’t be able to fight in kirzach, they are in order to die.

                    It seems you are alive ... angry
                2. -3
                  16 November 2018 13: 54
                  I knew that there would be someone who would say that the soldier was better with footcloths. The mentality in your country is still caveman. And during my military service (DB 1982-84), it was considered chic to wear cotton socks sent from homes, but already carrying them one day became lousy, the smell smelled, the socks stuck together, etc. This did not happen with footcloths. But it was in the last century. Footcloths have long been an anachronism. For a long time in civilized countries for soldiers, as well as for, for example, construction workers forced to walk all day in heavy boots with steel inserts, excellent synthetic socks have been developed. Their legs do not sweat and are generally very comfortable. In Russia, everything is as always through the ass. ))))))))))) Normal socks can not be done. Can you return bast shoes to everyday life?
                  1. 0
                    27 November 2018 11: 37
                    Quote: silver169
                    Can you return bast shoes to everyday life?

                    Sometimes it's better not to joke. And even for the air bribes will soon begin to charge. But the footcloths with boots should not be forgotten. It’s just that you need to make boots that are comfortable to wear on an army, and a servant to choose the right size - then there would be less complaints (affecting the choice of shoe type).
                    ... Although .. if such concessions are made in terms of quality, - most likely - the savings on technology or materials are visible.
          3. 0
            2 July 2018 12: 48
            "Cut" is still at its zenith, so wish that the shoes are good and millions stably stolen, it does not happen, or one or the other ...
        2. +35
          1 July 2018 18: 35
          In Turkey, for their military and military NATO in Afghanistan, berets are made which cost in an ordinary store in terms of only 1,5 thousand rubles. Worn for more than one year as athletic sneakers, lightweight and cushioned. Why not just buy technology.
          1. +12
            1 July 2018 21: 08
            I have Belarusian, a very long time. Grodno shoe factory. Lightweight and durable! But of course everything is wearing out.
            1. +1
              2 July 2018 07: 15
              I bought Belarusian berets in January, Bison. At one, the sole has already come off, inside everything is falling apart.
              German Miltech nursing year, price tag comparable
        3. +12
          1 July 2018 23: 04
          Quote: Black_Jacket
          And I think that in general it’s necessary to change the soldier in Gucci, so that at least 50 thousand per couple! Look, what bastards, team balances for 20 thousand are sorry for conscripts!

          The life of a soldier often depends on good shoes .. and the fact that our berets did not learn how to do travels is another breakthrough ..
        4. +3
          2 July 2018 11: 13
          You went crazy 50 tr for a couple? in our army then? Yes, we will be laughed at in this city .., only individual tailoring for each soldier in the studio of Milan, well, in the worst case of Paris!
          1. +6
            7 July 2018 14: 57
            These are the berets that Afghanistan gave us. Sami leather, leather sole, metal spikes. I screwed the spikes, since without them they were too heavy. I wore them a little over a year and during this time no signs of wear. I think that after my dismissal, they still served faithfully.
            It’s just that now everyone is buying by tender, and all sorts of crooks win the tender very often.
            1. +1
              9 July 2018 10: 24
              Are these the ones in the photo? Good ones! Such would now be in the army!
            2. +4
              12 July 2018 13: 23
              Not crooks, but very respected and famous people ... in certain circles!
      2. SSR
        +6
        1 July 2018 18: 07
        Quote: Looking Petrovich
        What kind of world are they in MORF?
        I have Timberland original demi-season cost 20 thousand

        Do not forget about the profits of the manufacturer and seller. Large wholesale 2000-3000 thousand per pair, quite. For a good pair of shoes.
        1. +1
          2 July 2018 08: 11
          They cost the same amount at retail. You can look at the website of the same Faraday.
      3. +13
        1 July 2018 20: 58
        These are effective managers. They know better how much.
        1. +6
          1 July 2018 21: 13
          :
          Quote: Pereira
          These are effective managers. They know better how much.

          Do not drive on managers
          they know everything better in their offices. angry
          The parasites have bred, you can’t get the pancake out of dust. angry
      4. +1
        1 July 2018 23: 14
        Yes, what are you thinking of for 20 pieces? smile https://zen.yandex.ru/media/twower/pro-voennuiu-o
        buv-5b0d36be7ddde8576ef10d7c
      5. +3
        3 July 2018 18: 53
        I on the border with Mongolia in 2005-2008 in winter and summer went in summer berets for 1000 rubles. cost, enough for exactly a year
      6. +3
        5 July 2018 10: 00
        Quote: Looking Petrovich
        Adult shoes for 1800 rub?
        What do they make of them?
        What kind of world are they in MORF?
        I have Timberland original demi-season cost 20 thousand

        Your timberland at a cost of production cost a couple of thousand. The remaining brand value is the margin of the manufacturer of the wholesaler and retail. Alas...
    2. +8
      1 July 2018 17: 38
      By the way, what is this "Committee of Soldiers' Mothers"?
      Berezovsky has long glued fins. Who is financing this almshouse now?

      Berezovsky was a dummy. Funded and oversaw Britain and the US Congress.
    3. +33
      1 July 2018 18: 00
      Quote: Pereira
      By the way, what is this "Committee of Soldiers' Mothers"?

      and it doesn’t matter, the berets are shitty - a fact, IMHO there is an indirect decision - to introduce a standard for army shoes and remove the sole supplier
      1. +7
        1 July 2018 18: 11
        Gold words. In general, foot-wraps around the campfire dry more easily, unlike socks, but sneakers are better. The whole problem is money.
        1. +12
          1 July 2018 21: 37
          Quote: kenig1
          but sneakers are better.

          Yes, no better! For days without taking off, you vilify - it’ll be "mother do not grieve!" But socks do not rewind like a footcloth!
          1. +2
            2 July 2018 09: 06
            Quote: Conrad
            Yes, no better! For days without taking off, you vilify - it’ll be "mother do not grieve!" But socks do not rewind like a footcloth!

            Sneakers are not for everyday wear. And go out for a couple of days in the mountains. Then again boots or berets. Sneakers in the army should, in principle, be disposable supplies.
          2. +4
            2 July 2018 11: 16
            Yes, in cross-country there is still a greater chance of tucking one leg, and indeed in terms of injury risk, they are significantly inferior to boots and berets.
        2. +15
          1 July 2018 23: 52
          Quote: kenig1
          The whole problem is money.

          The whole problem is the greed of the manufacturer and curator from the MO. Well, they do not want to make shoes for the army from solid materials. He wore ankle boots in the 80s where the sole does not slip on the ice and does not exfoliate, essno and does not crack, the foot is comfortable - lining is like a greatcoat cloth. They made normal footwear for the servicemen in the Union, and now they simply stuff loot with pockets at the expense of the treasury. While still at the service, he drew attention to the frequent change of various labels and chevrons, almost every six months, in full uniform. It seems that a cunning rank from the General Staff or the Moscow Region bought the sewing production and provided his factory with legal orders, you want to live better and better.
          1. +2
            3 July 2018 05: 41
            Quote: St. Propulsion
            It seems that a cunning rank from the General Staff or the Moscow Region bought the sewing production and provided his factory with legal orders, you want to live better and better.

            For what I bought, for what I sell.
            When the hotel was demolished, Russia, close to the General Staff, stole the laundry shop of this hotel, moved it to Altai, and now things are being taken for hundreds of kilometers (from some places for thousands) to be destroyed for the purpose of “optimization” and “centralization” (powerful enough) ) Laundries ... And it doesn’t matter that washing a penny and a rupe carry - the main thing is the loot in the right pocket. At the same time, the quality of this service has fallen significantly and there is no one to ask for when re-grading, high humidity, etc. , such as the answer is one - improper transportation, check when receiving (we are talking about thousands of sets), etc.
            Quote with sarcasm:
            "After all, if the stars are lit -
            means - it is necessary for someone?
            So - someone wants them to be?
            "
            V. Mayakovsky
          2. +1
            3 July 2018 12: 35
            Well, then the time of the sworn socialism was and now blessed capitalism!
        3. +3
          2 July 2018 00: 10
          Quote: kenig1
          Gold words. In general, foot-wraps around the campfire dry more easily, unlike socks, but sneakers are better. The whole problem is money.

          money doesn’t interfere with the standards, especially since many are ready to let them buy it better, classes can be introduced - one class from kirsa (I agree with my colleagues that kirsa was much more indestructible), from Nat. next skin, thread, sole, seam - everything can be described and require compliance and responsibility
          1. +4
            2 July 2018 08: 36
            Quote: poquello
            everything can be described and require compliance and responsibility


            Gold words! It is the REQUIREMENT and RESPONSIBILITY, and this, just not! Almost 3 (THREE!) Trillion rubles (or “forever green?”) “Flowed” from the country in HALF-YEAR, and who answered for this? But to “squeeze” the pensioners - please!
          2. +2
            3 July 2018 12: 36
            It is still unknown which kirzachi will sew now? technology lost
            1. +3
              3 July 2018 21: 26
              Quote: Rey_ka
              It is still unknown which kirzachi will sew now? technology lost

              where are you lost? Russia is the largest producer of tarpaulin, and they invented it in the Republic of Ingushetia, and it’s time for Chubais to get down to business - let the tarpaulin finish working, in general a mess - everything is in order with special fabrics in the country, and the shoes are tattered.
        4. +4
          2 July 2018 06: 58
          Quote: kenig1
          but sneakers are better

          Tales of it all. Firstly, sand falls asleep, dust, dirt, small stones. Secondly, the foot is not fixed, jump over the stones, all your thorns on the ankle. Tear with a "good" walking on the intersection. Once dressed, I thought I would stay without legs.
          1. 0
            3 July 2018 21: 42
            Quote: Shark Lover
            Quote: kenig1
            but sneakers are better

            Tales of it all. Firstly, sand falls asleep, dust, dirt, small stones. Secondly, the foot is not fixed, jump over the stones, all your thorns on the ankle. Tear with a "good" walking on the intersection. Once dressed, I thought I would stay without legs.

            cool reasoning, reminiscent of a fairy tale about an elephant and blind sages, and sneakers are different
        5. +3
          5 July 2018 10: 05
          Quote: kenig1
          Gold words. In general, foot-wraps around the campfire dry more easily, unlike socks, but sneakers are better. The whole problem is money.

          Yes, ordinary micropore spring boots are much more comfortable for the foot than all these berets. Well, take them as a basis, shorten the boot, add the fasteners on the boot and fffssё!
      2. +8
        1 July 2018 18: 18
        Quote: poquello
        Quote: Pereira
        By the way, what is this "Committee of Soldiers' Mothers"?

        and it doesn’t matter, the berets are shitty - a fact, IMHO there is an indirect decision - to introduce a standard for army shoes and remove the sole supplier

        If you remove the word in quotation marks, then the supplier can not be changed - they will rivet excellent shoes! laughing drinks
        1. 0
          2 July 2018 08: 39
          To make KSM work? "Porthos! I beg you!" They were not created for that. Yes, and real mothers, meaning real, soldier’s, there once or twice and - miscalculated!
    4. +11
      1 July 2018 19: 15
      Quote: Pereira
      Alarmists. A soldier must endure the difficulties of service.

      Or maybe a soldier should not distract anything from direct service? What is more important - to freeze your legs and crawl or to perform a combat mission without "collateral losses"?
      1. +9
        1 July 2018 19: 20
        It’s just that the soldiers allegedly wear them incorrectly, which is why they are falling apart. From this we can conclude that no one will change the berets - go to what is,
        laughing laughing laughing
        1. +4
          1 July 2018 21: 46
          Such a nonsense that it is time to open a business of tailoring high-quality shoes for “wearing right and wrong,” but for a long time, reliable and convenient. ”It’s a pity - not the brains for business.
          1. 0
            2 July 2018 00: 14
            Quote: Lycan
            Such a nonsense that it is time to open a business of tailoring high-quality shoes for “wearing right and wrong,” but for a long time, reliable and convenient. ”It’s a pity - not the brains for business.

            You tell me, these businessmen will introduce kmb on the proper wearing of their berets.
            1. +1
              2 July 2018 08: 20
              Right And in the end there will be a separate ceremonial battalion for the "virtuoso wearing of berets".
              The first infantry squad followed the Red Banner. soldier
          2. 0
            3 July 2018 12: 43
            then then the business is drawn to do everything qualitatively, and then the business does not have to be long. washing machines and refrigerators are calculated on the strength of the year for three services if they are made two years ago no earlier
            1. 0
              3 July 2018 21: 30
              Quote: Rey_ka
              then then the business is drawn to do everything qualitatively, and then the business does not have to be long. washing machines and refrigerators are calculated on the strength of the year for three services if they are made two years ago no earlier

              You are not lucky with shopping
        2. +1
          2 July 2018 12: 12
          Correctly! These berets are not for ordering, but for wearing (in hands)
      2. 0
        1 July 2018 21: 00
        It is more important to prevent budget overruns.
    5. +9
      1 July 2018 21: 49
      for me so kirzachi norms shoes
    6. +1
      1 July 2018 23: 13
      The Berezovsky Foundation, apparently ...
      He was probably recommended in the golden days of receiving a variety of non-sponsored grants to create this fund.
      How much money will come in handy: on Ash, on the Mace, on the Su-57 ... Well, and soldiers’s mothers for tea, smoke, sweets, and shoes.
    7. +3
      2 July 2018 00: 59
      Tailoring shoes and kirzachi for me is the same thing. The leg does not sweat the boots do not wear out for a long time Yes
    8. Maz
      0
      2 July 2018 06: 00
      Alarmists? Have you been to the 60km march for a long time? I went through kirzach, only rewinding footcloths several times. If they say that they are bad, can they still check? I remember myself bought berets.
    9. +1
      2 July 2018 13: 02
      Damn I go xs myself in winter in berets. I have never complained ... there were years when in summer berets I drove and not in pissing lightweight but in leather. But damn 3-4years calmly ... or are they sending us slag to the army?
    10. 0
      2 July 2018 23: 08
      Which Serdyukov? Corcoran Marauder appeared at Shoigu.
  2. +8
    1 July 2018 17: 30
    shoes Ivanovo "Paris Commune" used to be famous in the army
  3. +5
    1 July 2018 17: 30
    Who really "uses" these shoes ... All these newspaper articles ... N speak out ... In truth.
    1. +5
      1 July 2018 17: 34
      Eugene hi This is not the first year I have been wearing Garsing winter or summer boots - I have no complaints. If you are interested in specifics on the intensity of socks and which particular models - I will provide. soldier
      1. 0
        1 July 2018 22: 49
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Eugene hi This is not the first year I have been wearing Garsing winter or summer boots - I have no complaints. If you are interested in specifics on the intensity of socks and which particular models - I will provide. soldier

        Pavel! I could not get past this comment - somewhere else about 7 years ago, gars produced more or less suitable shoes. However, now real slag is being sold under this brand, which is absolutely not worth its stated price. I just recently got caught. soles between the heel and the toe. Poor quality. Cheaper materials began to be purchased or something to reduce the cost ... I don’t know.
        1. 0
          2 July 2018 08: 55
          Quote: Subergeil
          The section of the sole between the heel and the toe stupidly burst.

          I heard about this, but neither I, nor those of my friends who wear Garsing have encountered this. Since I myself worked at Garsing precisely on the outflow of the soles, I can definitely say: quality depends not only on the material, but also on the temperature and pressure of the casting.
          1. 0
            2 July 2018 13: 09
            I also encountered the fact that the sole burst on the bend at the bends, like new ones on the top, and the sole let down a couple of times, after which the Rocky deserts were bought, I don’t remember even how old they are, no less than five for sure, the only minus in the frost glide steeper than the skates
    2. +1
      1 July 2018 17: 39
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Who really "uses" these shoes ... All these newspaper articles ... N speak out ... In truth.

      On YouTube, there are one people (well, maybe not one), berets on various hikes and travels and uploads the results. So he didn’t seem to have lasted more than one season, moreover, from different manufacturers.
      1. +6
        1 July 2018 17: 44
        I have been 9 years old. Twice a year we go to the mountains and spring and autumn through the mud. They are almost like new, but I no longer.
        1. +17
          1 July 2018 18: 05
          Question to the manufacturer, very big! I am sure that the kirzachi produced now would not be better in quality! Managers can do "miracles", i.e. to spoil the product not killed!
          Kirzachi, berets, normal shoes if high-quality. The kirzachs have their advantages, but who is used to it ... and for their quality, the quality of the footcloths in the SA, it is impossible to argue, everything was of high quality!
          1. +8
            1 July 2018 18: 53
            I am sure that a soldier should have boots and boots, and not just boots.
            Anyone who considered the shoes a “modern” option has never thought in what potential conditions they should fulfill their functions.
            1. +5
              1 July 2018 21: 09
              I agree 100% - we need boots and boots. Himself, as an officer with the rank of colonel, he always wore soldiers' tarpaulin boots at the training ground, even serving in the Trans-Baikal District (of course, not in severe frost, but in the autumn and spring). Yes, and went hunting in the hills in kirzachi.
              I have the honor! soldier
            2. +16
              1 July 2018 21: 56
              ... After all, only Potemkin dressed the Russian army so that it was convenient to fight, it was he who convinced the empress not to listen to fans of the Prussian school among the Russian generals: “In Russia, when regularity was introduced, foreign officers entered with the pedagogy of that time, and ours, not knowing the direct price of the stuff of a military projectile, considered everything sacred and as if mysterious. It seemed to them that regularity consists in braids, hats, valves, cuffs, in rifle techniques and other things. Occupying themselves with such rubbish, even to this day, they still do not know well the most important things, such as marching, various constructions and revolutions, and as for the serviceability of the gun, polishing and glossing are preferred to kindness, and they are almost not able to shoot. In a word, the clothes of our troops and the ammunition are such that it’s still impossible to think up to oppress a soldier, all the more so since he was taken from the peasants at thirty years already almost recognizes narrow boots, a lot of garters, a tight bottom dress and the abyss of things that shorten the eyelids. The beauty of military clothing consists in equality and in accordance with the use of things. The dress should serve the soldier with clothes, not a burden. All panache must destroy, because it is the fruit of luxury, it requires a lot of time and dependents and servants, which a soldier cannot have».
              Today in the Russian army, as an unprecedented achievement, footcloths were replaced with socks. And what has changed since Potemkin, when it was Potemkin who exchanged soldier's stockings for footcloths? Only that Potemkin knew the value of these soldier's socks and explained to Catherine: “Spacious boots in front of narrow ones and onuchi or footcloths in stockings have the advantage that in the case when your feet get wet or sweat, you can immediately throw them off at the first convenient time, wipe your feet in a footcloth and wrap them again with their dry end, put on shoes and speed thereby protect them from dampness and chills. In narrow boots and stockings it’s impossible to fix it in any way ...».
              In fact, nothing has changed either in human physiology or in the climatic characteristics of our homeland!
          2. +3
            1 July 2018 21: 21
            Quote: rocket757
            kirzachi produced now would not be better

            Why would they be of disgusting quality.
            From my own experience I was convinced
            it’s not possible to wear, so pick it up in SA,
            Y, S, W, IT IS NOT REALLY AT ALL.
            IN WHAT WAREHOUSE TO FIND AN OLD GOOD KIRZU.
            1. 0
              2 July 2018 14: 51
              Understand. I assumed. because the general tendency is to reduce quality .... managers work miracles, or rather babosiks earn. However, the native state is not particularly soared. You need to give the right price, and then cool to ask for quality .... otherwise the warrior will be swollen and undressed, and this is a disaster!
          3. 0
            7 July 2018 14: 38
            Quote: rocket757
            I am sure that the kirzachi produced now would not be better in quality!


            Modern "Kirzachs" are really much worse than they were before.
        2. +2
          1 July 2018 19: 22
          Quote: _Sergey_
          I have been 9 years old. Twice a year We leave for the mountains and spring and autumn through the mud. They are almost like new, but I no longer.
          wassat
        3. SSR
          +2
          1 July 2018 21: 56
          Quote: _Sergey_
          I have been 9 years old. Twice a year we go to the mountains and spring and autumn through the mud. They are almost like new, but I no longer.

          For two years, I kill any shoes.
          On average, I walk 25 km a day. The stupid sole is erased and the scraper is bent at the toe.
          Although after the Parade, I had an even heel. Who will understand the topic.
    3. +7
      1 July 2018 18: 06
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Who really uses these shoes ... All these newspaper articles ..

      guy on an installment a couple of years ago, such berets is a diversion
      1. +5
        1 July 2018 19: 47
        Managers on the pole! Military representative there!
        1. 0
          7 July 2018 15: 07
          Yes! Military representatives now are not at all the same as before. The old ones were “in the subject”, everyone knew the technical process, they were deceived or “talking” (if they themselves didn’t want to). Today's is simple. And they use it intensively. MO need to pay more attention to this issue. Otherwise, the quality issues of the purchased products will be overwhelmed. And it will not be “berets-kirzachi”, but special equipment and weapons.
  4. +9
    1 July 2018 17: 37
    Sew berets from tarpaulin and according to the technology of those boots and there will be happiness. In addition, I think it will be significantly cheaper. But here is the "managers" of the MO whether it will be necessary?
    1. +12
      1 July 2018 18: 09
      Yes, from which quality would not be sewn, one thing will be, for it is controlled by kickbacks and plundering of funds ...
      1. +12
        1 July 2018 19: 52
        Nah, footcloth and shoe changing speed is important too. In addition, the rewound footcloth dries at the top, on the shin just because the shoe is VENTED from above!
        Such a bunch of boots - a footcloth, everything in it is thought out, it works!
        1. +1
          2 July 2018 11: 03
          That's right, the principle of a wick, from below the liquid is drawn and rises, trying to spread evenly along the footcloth, then it evaporates due to ventilation in the bootleg. reducing humidity below. At the same time, the footcloth should be from raw materials, but x \ now is expensive, it turns out expensive. I read somewhere, but for some reason I can’t believe that today the manufacturing technology of tailoring material has been lost. Well, and berets? We need to put military representatives here, otherwise our fungus will gobble up our army ...
          1. 0
            2 July 2018 15: 02
            I read somewhere, but for some reason I can’t believe that today the manufacturing technology of tailoring material has been lost

            A retired technologist from the plant claimed that they could still restore the production of tailor flannel, but the deadline was running out, then something would have to be developed again!
            However, after all, we have nano - na-na-but the center is !!! If you sweep money there, they will invent a nano-handkerchief! That's right!
        2. 0
          3 July 2018 12: 54
          In addition, when wounded in a soldier’s hand with one hand, the berets should not
          1. 0
            5 July 2018 11: 46
            Here the "Israeli lacing" will help, where this moment is thought out (lacing with one end) and the end is simply wrapped around the lower leg or leg.
        3. 0
          5 July 2018 11: 50
          The minus of the boot is that the foot is flattened after the march; It would be possible to introduce a modified tarpaulin with webbing fasteners, on the foot, lower leg and tibia - for more fixation, but it is unlikely that Voentorg will take such a rise in price. Moreover, the modern Berets, in fact, a shortened laced boot, and not a boot, in fact, because the tongue is stitched in one with the berets.
    2. +5
      1 July 2018 20: 15
      To sew shoes for the army you need from good leather! On a high-quality sole. After all, nothing is difficult! Make normal army shoes, not shit shoes on cardboard hollow! Soldiers spend days on their feet, in motion, on mud, water, stones, bumps .. A person’s life may depend on rotten threads and a cardboard sole.
      1. 0
        7 July 2018 15: 39
        That's about the fact that "nothing complicated" is in vain. There is so much complexity that oh-hoo. And the quality does not suffer from the fact that they just took "crappy" materials, no. Everything bad accumulates from a huge number of small, sometimes very small deviations from technology. From small changes in the quality of materials. And all this “byak” will come out not immediately, but after 3-4 months, when you don’t understand, the roofing felts are of poor quality, the roofing felts were worn with violations, or they were not stored correctly in warehouses. This is where military representatives should stand "to death" and not allow any deviation from technology. It is common for manufacturers to simplify. They did not see the long-term consequences of such small changes. (A typical example of "Phobos", and penny changes in the production of microcircuits). But military representatives should represent all this and, most importantly, not allow it.
    3. +3
      1 July 2018 21: 23
      Indeed, so that earlier, but at the tarpaulin, the sole peeled off or burst, Nonsense.
    4. +8
      1 July 2018 21: 32
      Quote: K-50
      Sew berets from tarpaulin and according to the technology of those boots and there will be happiness. In addition, I think it will be significantly cheaper.


      we give out two pairs. leather. in the second, I went to the reserve for many years. gas sector, Eudea and Samaria. in the past all the time on stones.
      as a rule, nothing “breaks” and the threads do not “rot” as the author describes. It seems that it’s just not a quality product. the type of shoes has nothing to do with it


      ps but when zero degrees in the yard it’s not comfortable in them, yes
      1. +3
        1 July 2018 21: 56
        We were given the American in 2001, the company Rocky, is still "alive". What quality, such and shoes ...
      2. +3
        2 July 2018 11: 58
        Do not forget, gentlemen, we have dampness as the norm, therefore, “rotting” threads are the result of “normal” if the manufacturer saved used non-sentetic threads in the manufacture of shoes without treating them with at least moisture protection. My shoemaker, stitching the seaming seams on the shoe, was wondering what the manufacturer was thinking: the leather is excellent, and it is stitched with ordinary cotton thread, why not capron?
        Well then, he himself would sit without work lol
      3. 0
        5 July 2018 11: 52
        Are Israeli military boots sold? They look cool, even classically, you can wear a suit))
        1. 0
          6 July 2018 21: 33
          Quote: Hastatus
          Are Israeli military boots sold? They look cool, even classically, you can wear a suit))

          https://www.yoh.co.il/neli-hi-r-neli-siirvt.html
          895 NIS all pleasure. exchange rate to the ruble is approximately 1shek = 16 rubles
          1. 0
            7 July 2018 20: 16
            14320 rubles - Yes, expensive pleasure, these are not berets from Faraday for 1800 rubles ((Okay, I'll take it next summer.

            UPD: but by reference, these are not those berets, some modern ones with inserts, roofing felts from corduba, or something else. Old school, brown leather do not sell already?
            1. 0
              9 July 2018 18: 59
              Quote: Hastatus
              UPD: but by reference, these are not those berets, some modern ones with inserts, roofing felts from corduba, or something else. Old school, brown leather do not sell already?

              They sell. I just gave a link to the best - lightweight, for military forces ("Heer" in Hebrew)
              1. 0
                10 July 2018 10: 15
                "hir" ?? An interesting name, is it not from the German name for the ground forces "das heer"?
                1. 0
                  11 July 2018 20: 59
                  Quote: Hastatus
                  "hir" ?? An interesting name, is it not from the German name for the ground forces "das heer"?

                  No. "Hir" is an abbreviation for "Hel Regulate" - infantry troops.
  5. +8
    1 July 2018 17: 39
    The best berets that I have ever worn were Ukrainian-made (even before ...). Clean skin, without rag inserts. Soaked once with castor oil. Until now, they are worn on a footcloth and do not flow. Under the form just right. But, nevertheless, in the depth of the ford to be overcome: not boots even once.
    1. +1
      1 July 2018 17: 46
      If you walk intensely, then after twenty minutes your legs dry out and wait for the next ford.
      1. 0
        7 July 2018 20: 43
        It depends on what season.
  6. +14
    1 July 2018 17: 40
    We must ask who owns the enterprise that produces these products. Then maybe there will be fewer questions .......................
    1. 0
      1 July 2018 21: 41
      Do you want me to guess right away?
  7. +4
    1 July 2018 17: 41
    I served in Tyumen in the year 73. They built Tyumen - Surgut. So in the summer we had rubber boots, and in winter we gave out felt boots. The Krzichs could not stand what the hells were to hell ...
    1. +1
      2 July 2018 12: 00
      Valenoks in general THING !!!!
      1. 0
        7 July 2018 15: 44
        Quote: volodimer
        Valenoks in general THING !!!!


        In the winter.
  8. +12
    1 July 2018 17: 44
    In the army, he had the experience of wearing both berets and boots. High boots for parades, boots for all occasions. A simple example is rain, you put on a raincoat and water flowing down it (at least), safely flowing onto boots (they are knee-deep) and then to the ground. In the case of berets - water flowing down the cloak - gently drains into the berets, and they become full of water)). Or for example, crawling in Plastunsky you will fill full berets of dirt / snow, this did not happen with boots)).
    1. 0
      7 July 2018 10: 13
      you are preparing in the old fashion for a trench warfare; there is no time to crawl in a modern warfare.
  9. +4
    1 July 2018 17: 49
    I think everything depends on the quality of workmanship. By the time there were boots + berets, he’s got hold of himself. In the watches, the berets dragged-summer, autumn and a little bit of winter. it was always interesting how to blow up a gun in berets? in time. I just had boots for such cases.
  10. +10
    1 July 2018 17: 51
    Two types of boots are issued to servicemen - summer and winter, said Sergeant Aleksey Soloviev. However, both of them have more minuses than pluses. -
    It is necessary to do what King Peter the Great did at one time. To develop the model, Donobuv and Parity companies were involved. The male staff of these companies should be self-employed in the field, including and winter, prove the suitability of their products. After that, the "cons" will disappear.
  11. +3
    1 July 2018 17: 51
    Everything is simple here. The more expensive, the better. Which soldiers have a more expensive uniform with diapers - that’s better. Although I had been feeling fine in kirzach and without socks for two years
  12. +6
    1 July 2018 17: 56
    Patamushta "Donobuv" is never a Corcoran. :))) The answer is obvious.
  13. +8
    1 July 2018 17: 59
    This stupidity, or deliberately carried out targeted sabotage aimed at ensuring that the Russian army has the ability to move exclusively within the boundaries of military units and training grounds of its military districts, time will tell. One thing is certain, the Nazis were driven to Berlin after being shod in boots and felt boots. Whether in conditions of intense fighting and changing seasons of the year (winter-summer) the army will be able to repeat this while being shod in berets, or will stop barefoot halfway, I don’t know, but I’m for the boots. They are more practical.
    1. +7
      1 July 2018 18: 28
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      This stupidity, or deliberately carried out targeted sabotage aimed at ensuring that the Russian army has the ability to move exclusively within the boundaries of military units and training grounds of its military districts, time will tell. One thing is certain, the Nazis were driven to Berlin after being shod in boots and felt boots. Whether in conditions of intense fighting and changing seasons of the year (winter-summer) the army will be able to repeat this while being shod in berets, or will stop barefoot halfway, I don’t know, but I’m for the boots. They are more practical.

      In SA there was a time when there were boots and boots. It seems to me that this was the right decision - shoes can be changed according to the situation.
  14. +7
    1 July 2018 18: 03
    Guys, everything is exactly in the article!
    My son is serving now.
    Winter berets ate winter survived by spring began to fall apart!
    All waited for the summer! Changed shoes and problems began within a month! Really torn! The guys glue, if there is a "shoe repair" nearby, they sew it up.
    And many generally throws and buy new ones at their own expense!
  15. +11
    1 July 2018 18: 14
    Soviet berets survived for 2 years, although they looked terrible towards the end of their lives. Officer field boots looked better. But at 89 m there were excellent leather boots - lightweight, wear-resistant, well-kept tibia, not afraid of water. True, the more I have not seen such. Maybe it's time to return to the Soviet? laughing drinks
    1. +10
      1 July 2018 18: 22
      Quote: Doliva63
      Maybe it's time to return to the Soviet?

      The Soviet Army had a lot of good things worth returning to. sad Yes
      1. +9
        1 July 2018 18: 46
        Ha, but where are the managers from all industries?
        Or like in 1918 ... on pillars instead of decorations? It’s impossible, in principle, to make this audience work for the good, but not for themselves!
        1. +7
          1 July 2018 19: 11
          Quote: rocket757
          Ha, but where are the managers from all industries?
          Or like in 1918 ... on pillars instead of decorations? It’s impossible, in principle, to make this audience work for the good, but not for themselves!

          A colleague, Lenin wrote about this in the 19th century drinks
          1. +3
            1 July 2018 19: 58
            Repetition, mother of learning. I would like to remind those who have a short memory and a link to the events of those not so distant years, since a significant part of the people remember that!
        2. +6
          1 July 2018 19: 55
          why on the pillars? welcome to us at Kolyma laughing
          1. AUL
            +5
            1 July 2018 20: 52
            And in the berets of their production!
            1. 0
              2 July 2018 15: 08
              Sadists you are partisan brothers! I culturally wanted a hemp tie around my neck, jumping and truncating ... and you? To distant lands and in products, their cares turned into instruments of torture!
              Also suggest that delivery to the place is SELF-PROPELLED! Like in the old, distant times!
              "Kolyma tract"! Where does he go with us?
  16. +15
    1 July 2018 18: 17
    I still wear berets. None (who tryndit there for several years ???) hold out for more than a season with constant wear. I wear shoes in the morning and wear until the evening, or even for days. No alternate berets, do not give out. They say ensigns one couple for three years. And we wear them every day. Stupidly ROTS the shoe right on the foot. It does not have time to ventilate and stinks. The stench from the foot is such that the flies do not fly closer than a meter, while the charter for 3200, which is not - for 5500 and more expensive rot the same.

    With all my heart I wish the rear officers to vilify the berets in the same mode, without changing clothes every day, drowning in the field for at least six months, without changing the shoes (by the way, too, guano - it spreads like slap, sand and rubbish from the tracks on the leg - everything is in them ) Then these things can document something about shoes for fighters !?
    1. +11
      1 July 2018 18: 55
      The Kirzachs, too, were not eternal, it was difficult to pass the year without repair (heels had to be changed), the Soviet officers were in class, two, three years before the “assassination” they passed, if you walk a lot, and your son will get another.
      The smell, also it was not roses, but with normal observance of the rules of personal hygiene, everything was adequate!
      1. +5
        1 July 2018 20: 56
        Here hygiene or not - everything is clear. The leg in the boot does not breathe in any way, the legs can be washed every 6 hours and more often, pour boric acid into socks, apply deodorants - nothing helps with daily wear for 8-24 hours. I didn’t go in kirzach, I rewind the footcloth, changed the top-bottom and you can stomp for another three or four hours, and there you shake a fresh pair and watch them by the end of the guard for their eyes and ears. Yes, and dry legs in footcloths. And try to woolen footcloths in berets - but hell with two! With my normal 45th no footcloths climb into my shoes. And socks as leeches at the end of the shift - change, do not change, a couple for a day. Consumables are cleaner than toilet paper.
      2. +1
        1 July 2018 21: 48
        Quote: rocket757
        It’s difficult to pass a year without repair (heels had to be changed),

        And then a year, socks? winked
        Two years - 24 months, according to the norm three pairs of boots,
        t 8 months one pair.
        Three pairs were worn without any problems, each could still be worn.
        In addition to the first, the training is shagistics before stupefaction.
      3. +3
        1 July 2018 23: 15
        The Kirzachs were given only a building battalion for a year. The rest is 8 months old.
        1. +2
          2 July 2018 15: 19
          No, no one knew / used such a trick - some grand ceremonial boots, for viewing, divorce and other "clean" cases, he got them to a mirror shine and let them stand in reserve! And others, for the second term wearable, snapped up for a new one, for all sorts of other works and deeds! They are trampled down on the foot, comfortable, soft, etc. It was normal for everyone ... of course, not everyone has anything to keep in the barracks, but they did it for anyone who allowed the service.
          1. +2
            2 July 2018 20: 19
            Quote: rocket757
            No, no one knew / used such a trick - some grand ceremonial boots, for viewing, divorce and other "clean" cases, he got them to a mirror shine and let them stand in reserve! And others, for the second term wearable, snapped up for a new one, for all sorts of other works and deeds! They are trampled down on the foot, comfortable, soft, etc. It was normal for everyone ... of course, not everyone has anything to keep in the barracks, but they did it for anyone who allowed the service.

            The prince of the company Svinin, the foreman of the company, really was the heir to the French family in the Russian army, was respected by everyone, every fighter he had had 3 pairs of boots - casual / field, work and front. In the last fighters left home.
            1. +2
              2 July 2018 20: 53
              Where without a foreman? Yes, and with the head of the warehouses it was useful to have you!
              Anyway, when later it was supposed to switch to other shoes, he kept and used the shortened kirzachi when needed. Practical shoes, reliable.
      4. +2
        3 July 2018 15: 42
        3 pairs for two years, slightly washed in the ankle area, well, a little heel. It is quite normal Soviet shoes for the army.
    2. 0
      5 July 2018 11: 56
      And if you independently perforate berets with an awl, like a corcoran jungle or a desert?
  17. +5
    1 July 2018 18: 19
    I don’t know. I didn’t wear tarpaulin; I wore three different types of army boots in our army. I saw the suffering of recruits with my own eyes, but I never had problems with berets, I didn’t rub them. I even played football in the service, I couldn’t find a sneaker on my foot, I went out in berets. Almost all the berets are washed at the foot level it depends on how you walk, run and walk. If you hit the foot with all the dope, the canine leg will erase the sole of the foot and get varicacell. But not completely erased from anyone, the berets were given to us for 6 months. And so that the berets broke, I sutured I’ve never personally seen it. And yes, I’ve served in the mountains, 2 months intensively walked the preparation for the parade, 3-4 days apart from training, for more than a year, I ran about 5 km both on the parade ground and in the stadium, not counting the throw march every month in full gear at the shooting range. The rest was in the service, rocky terrain. But I NEVER ever saw torn berets, the sole did not go away, only the level of the foot was erased and then not at all. I felt problems at minus 10 at night, under heavy rain I remember the legs were wet but then even the raincoat the tent didn’t save (it was wet up to the pants) it wasn’t wet in the snow, rarely if the snow was knee-deep, of course it was wet. In the summer my legs were sweating, but I released a little bit of laces and was tolerant.
  18. +5
    1 July 2018 18: 25
    Kirzachi is not the best, but far from the worst. The best is the enemy of the good. Knee-high boots made of good skin and well-made are really comfortable both in winter and summer, although they are hot in the summer., But they have a considerable price. I don’t know what will happen, but the boots tend to return ..., the next coming of the boots, more likely than the coming of Christ .... The camp workshops where they made boots were easier to control than the very dubious offices supplying shoes, by the way, but the Americans we dislike (we need a strong expression didn’t pass) make their equipment in prisons, such twisted ones ....
  19. +12
    1 July 2018 18: 47
    why can’t you come up with and make shoes no worse than canvas boots? If you can’t, return the tarpaulin. And the one who considers a sock is more practical than footcloths - a moron or all his life in classrooms. They need to be sent a hundred kilometers to go in these socks to gangrene. Footcloths and invented to save a leg.
    1. +5
      1 July 2018 19: 19
      Quote: Beltasir Matyagu
      why can’t you come up with and make shoes no worse than canvas boots? If you can’t, return the tarpaulin. And the one who considers a sock is more practical than footcloths - a moron or all his life in classrooms. They need to be sent a hundred kilometers to go in these socks to gangrene. Footcloths and invented to save a leg.

      The tarpaulin boots are bad, they were made because it was expensive to provide the whole army with yuft, therefore, they were worn by cadets of schools and military units of the Group of Forces. He wore a tarpaulin, yuft, etc., which was supposed by pleasure. The most unkillable are ash field, the most crap is mountain boots.
      1. 0
        3 July 2018 15: 44
        Cherry - no doubt!
      2. 0
        5 July 2018 12: 03
        And what is the height of the non-Kirghiz people? I noticed in the photo that the leather boots of the imperial times are much longer than the tarpaulin boots, almost to the knee.

  20. +8
    1 July 2018 18: 57
    Who served will definitely say better boots. Before the collapse of the USSR, they had the opportunity to blaspheme the experimental super thing. However, the SA was gone and Pasha Mercedes decided the boots.
  21. +5
    1 July 2018 18: 58
    in 2011, when Serdyukov wore berets.
    only one person went in kirzach - he didn’t find an enormous size of berets for ksp, only a couple of months later.
    from those berets, at first many had corns after the first run. because of this, for the first month, 25 people walked in slippers from the barracks to the dining room and ran in slippers, while the berets were in their hands, someone had lace around their necks. I personally lost the sensitivity of the 2-3 fingers from corns and crushing in the area of ​​the thumb bone, they simply did not feel anything. sensitivity returned partially after six months. many had the same effect, but not all.
    in principle, berets were quite durable and can be quite convenient, but the laces were torn easily, and then it was difficult to buy new ones. scared when he came to the dryer, and the laces were stolen. some of the berets broke and instead of the Yudashkins they were given unbending "crocodiles" - these are berets of incredible hardness, knocking like wooden ones.
    cleaning berets is a rather strange occupation. it may turn out that one of the shirts is cleaned to a mirror shine, the other is matte and does not clean further. statutory shoe polish was simply terrible - in liquid heat, it gets smeared, stains pants, sticks to dust, in the cold it is hard, it was burned with a lighter and smeared. the non-regular cream ended in one or two days and it made sense to use it only for special occasions and dresses.
    in some berets they walked almost all year, in winter in an extra pair of warm socks. walking in berets is warm. to stand for a long time is very cold. so as not to freeze, inserted two pairs of felt insoles and not freeze. but once on the seashore they waited an hour or so and I thought I would freeze my legs, but it was done thanks to physical exercises. for winter shooting we were given boots, very flat and very hard. legs did not freeze in boots. the slight inconvenience of the inflexibility of felt boots compensated for the heat inside and is better when warm than comfortable.
    three months before dismissal, the next generation of berets was handed out with a creak to participate in the parade. if it weren’t for the parade and the parade commander, we would have been in the same pair all year.
    overall, berets were comfortable enough, strong enough, the laces were fastened fast enough.
    I did not like the numerous corns and their possible rotting. without the patch, at first it was just torture. I didn’t like that the shoelaces themselves had to be removed if they were torn or missing. I did not like the freezing of the soles in the frost on the parade ground.
    in one or two people the berets with their legs went out with mushrooms and smelled unbearably, it was scary that the rest would be infected with a fungus.
    1. +7
      1 July 2018 19: 25
      Quote: Archon
      in 2011, when Serdyukov wore berets.
      only one person went in kirzach - he didn’t find an enormous size of berets for ksp, only a couple of months later.
      from those berets, at first many had corns after the first run. because of this, for the first month, 25 people walked in slippers from the barracks to the dining room and ran in slippers, while the berets were in their hands, someone had lace around their necks. I personally lost the sensitivity of the 2-3 fingers from corns and crushing in the area of ​​the thumb bone, they simply did not feel anything. sensitivity returned partially after six months. many had the same effect, but not all.
      in principle, berets were quite durable and can be quite convenient, but the laces were torn easily, and then it was difficult to buy new ones. scared when he came to the dryer, and the laces were stolen. some of the berets broke and instead of the Yudashkins they were given unbending "crocodiles" - these are berets of incredible hardness, knocking like wooden ones.
      cleaning berets is a rather strange occupation. it may turn out that one of the shirts is cleaned to a mirror shine, the other is matte and does not clean further. statutory shoe polish was simply terrible - in liquid heat, it gets smeared, stains pants, sticks to dust, in the cold it is hard, it was burned with a lighter and smeared. the non-regular cream ended in one or two days and it made sense to use it only for special occasions and dresses.
      in some berets they walked almost all year, in winter in an extra pair of warm socks. walking in berets is warm. to stand for a long time is very cold. so as not to freeze, inserted two pairs of felt insoles and not freeze. but once on the seashore they waited an hour or so and I thought I would freeze my legs, but it was done thanks to physical exercises. for winter shooting we were given boots, very flat and very hard. legs did not freeze in boots. the slight inconvenience of the inflexibility of felt boots compensated for the heat inside and is better when warm than comfortable.
      three months before dismissal, the next generation of berets was handed out with a creak to participate in the parade. if it weren’t for the parade and the parade commander, we would have been in the same pair all year.
      overall, berets were comfortable enough, strong enough, the laces were fastened fast enough.
      I did not like the numerous corns and their possible rotting. without the patch, at first it was just torture. I didn’t like that the shoelaces themselves had to be removed if they were torn or missing. I did not like the freezing of the soles in the frost on the parade ground.
      in one or two people the berets with their legs went out with mushrooms and smelled unbearably, it was scary that the rest would be infected with a fungus.

      This is a kapets) 86th, field exit - 40 and below. Boots and boots. All are alive and well. Would winter boots help? Not sure. Hello stupid alien copyists and reformers!
  22. +1
    1 July 2018 19: 05
    According to military expert Denis Mokrushin, one of the most common is a complaint about the poor quality of shoes: regular walking leads to flaking of the sole. Bertsy even season, from spring to autumn, can not hold out

    Bertsa were developed taking into account the experience of Afghanistan and for, under the close attention of the Academy of Sciences. How many dissertations were defended, received copyright certificates for the invention ... Perhaps this is a military secret. wink
    I know that when designing berets, parachuting and jumping out of the car on the go were also taken into account. The approach was serious. We were told when they sent me to study at the public institute of patent science. That was a long time ago. As a former pioneer and Komsomol member, I took the administration's instructions seriously. I don’t remember how many rational proposals I have, probably 5 copyright ones, I don’t remember. But they told us about berets not as a joke, but as an example of a scientific approach to practical requests. And it’s like Mikhalychbelay , do not like berets with socks, serve kirzachi with footwear. At the training camps after 4 courses and later at the exercises in Totsk, he walked in boots with footcloths over cotton socks. In berets did not have to. My tunic was in 1948 in graduation, and at the institute, so finally 1939. Well, what about the other armies, why not the boots? winked
  23. +2
    1 July 2018 19: 06
    Never wore berets. All service in kirzak and summer. All the time I couldn’t imagine how I could jump into my high boot “fast”, but after watching the program “military acceptance” I began to regret that I didn’t get such happiness. Now I’m thinking ... Maybe thank God?
    1. 0
      1 July 2018 22: 58
      Embed zippers. Lacing is also present but as an addition, already an option.
  24. +7
    1 July 2018 19: 24
    Before World War I ... merchants of the world-eating-rotten cloth on their greatcoats, blankets in the army supplied torn boots ... rotten foods, history repeats itself ... so it will be until the brother-in-law will be suppliers .. tenders for visibility .. and the brother-in-law are relatives, well, kudrin the Audit Chamber, like a Westerner - for what it will not reveal this disgrace
    1. +2
      1 July 2018 22: 01
      Quote: aries2200
      world-merchants merchants

      laughing laughing laughing
      Well, at school in the history lessons they were told about them.
      And here it is happiness, now they saw with their own eyes,
      on our own skin we are experiencing.
      And then before all the theory, but the theory.
      Maybe we will live again when everything returns to normal again.
      They say the story is developing in a spiral.
      I would like to look at it and how some of those in power will once again begin to change their shoes in a jump laughing
  25. +4
    1 July 2018 19: 48
    We are in the quarter finals belay good good drinks
  26. +1
    1 July 2018 19: 50
    I hope kerzach in warehouses are preserved?
  27. +3
    1 July 2018 19: 54
    berets should be torn socks after a week, because it’s just a one-time thing, fetish Jewish capitalism. The boots are worn for two years. Personally, I went through so much at one time, and where is the gesheft ??? Do you know how much oil is used to lubricate the anus in the US Army !!! Dream!! The current government is not working on this issue. By the way, my berets also went somewhere for six months, although in the Voronezh military store I bought, the sole came off in the snowiest slush.
    1. +2
      1 July 2018 20: 16
      Quote: Forever so
      Boots worn for two years

      ===
      I remember that on an urgent basis in sa boots were issued for a year
      1. 0
        1 July 2018 22: 05
        At 8 months, at eight.
        1. 0
          2 July 2018 12: 25
          Quote: Victorio
          I remember that on an urgent basis in sa boots were issued for a year
          Quote: urman
          At 8 months, at eight.

          ===
          CA 80-82, exactly x \ for 6 months, an overcoat for 2 years, but boots ?? maybe 8
          1. 0
            2 July 2018 16: 30
            I served in the same years
            How can you forget how three pairs worn out, so immediately DMB.
  28. 0
    1 July 2018 20: 01
    Quote: K-50
    those berets from kirsa and the technology of those boots and there will be happiness. In addition, I think it will be significantly cheaper. But here is the "managers" of the MO whether it will be necessary?
    Reply Quote Complaint K-50
    1. +2
      1 July 2018 20: 04
      He served in the 70s. The Kirzachs rubbed themselves into holes in less than a year.
      1. +5
        1 July 2018 20: 58
        A cousin in Afghanistan was at the School for Children’s Artillery and said that there the Kirzachs did not show themselves more practical.
        And for me, kirzachi, but of high quality, will be better than all trousers
  29. +9
    1 July 2018 20: 03
    Season, not season - such subtleties were unknown to the boot. About these nuances only footcloths knew. Heel - on the screws, and this, perhaps, is all the problems in the "exploitation", although I ran and jumped, especially before the first "West" at 81, my mother did not grieve. I always changed my shoes to new ones with reluctance: the old one was run in by foot, and practically the entire composition, with few exceptions, was in excellent condition. Probably they wore socks with the instructions from the manufacturer at the heart or along with the charter, I don’t remember already, but the battery didn’t know any corns or fungi - as I say. Parquet flooring, as always, showed itself in a silly light, but it was all that was necessary: ​​the mountains - the mountain, the tundra - the polar, the sand - the steppe, and not the fucking wholesale.
  30. +3
    1 July 2018 20: 04
    Kirza is a Soviet invention. In the Imperial army, the soldier was put on leather boots. In the army for 2 years he dragged kirzachi around the airfield, both in winter and summer. Shoes were given at work, I do not know how much you can compare with berets, but worse than kirzachi.
    1. 0
      7 July 2018 16: 35
      "Kirza" is a Soviet invention, that's for sure. There was not enough skin. First, the tarpaulin shafts were made. Then they began to use some kind of cunning weave fabric with a “rubber” coating. And canvas boots are lighter than leather boots. And in the "imperial" army, too, the skin on the boots was not enough. In peacetime, they got out. And in World War I, soldiers mostly wore "boots eight times in the circle of their feet." Shoes with windings.
      1. 0
        7 July 2018 20: 20
        Shoes with windings, in some conditions and better.
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  32. +1
    1 July 2018 20: 13
    Quote: earloop
    Two types of boots are issued to servicemen - summer and winter, said Sergeant Aleksey Soloviev. However, both of them have more minuses than pluses. -
    It is necessary to do what King Peter the Great did at one time. To develop the model, Donobuv and Parity companies were involved. The male staff of these companies should be self-employed in the field, including and winter, prove the suitability of their products. After that, the "cons" will disappear.

    Not just staff, but masculine heads! wassat
  33. +3
    1 July 2018 20: 15
    It is not a matter of shoes or boots, but of the manufacturer’s crooked hands and rotten material. If they sewed boots from similar material, they would fall apart in the same way. I wore my army boots of the Soviet factory Skorokhod for another 5 years after dismissal.
  34. +3
    1 July 2018 20: 25
    No need to steal! It’s like with a “new form” - at an exhibition and a model show, a uniform (and shoes, by the way, too!) Is made of the same material and everyone praises! And then the ersatz and complaints go to the troops! Stop stealing!
  35. +5
    1 July 2018 20: 30
    This is not better, it’s the army shoe manufacturers that have lost fear!
  36. PiP
    +2
    1 July 2018 20: 32
    I don’t know what is now in the “fashion” of the RF Armed Forces ... 1991-93 the whole company (except me and a couple of sailors) was shod in strange “berets”, “plastic” all-cast. In the cold, the sole at the place of the bend of the foot stupidly broke, the shoelaces tore off the rings, the feet were freezing, you should not run on stones. I turned out to be a cool cobbler, using a soldering iron I repaired these "burnouts" laughing
    ss
    And I had, old boots. wink From the "grandfather's zems" remained laughing
  37. +1
    1 July 2018 20: 43
    I won’t say for the army ... but about overalls ... At a higher cost, the quality is usually much worse than if you just bought in the store ... Now I have Katelpiller sneakers ... Both winter and summer ... Third year, not say that as new ... but nowhere didn’t come off ...
  38. +1
    1 July 2018 20: 48
    Quote: Pereira
    Alarmists. A soldier must endure the difficulties of service.
    Serdyukov said Corcoran Marauder boots are better than boots, hence the way it is.

    By the way, what is this "Committee of Soldiers' Mothers"?
    Berezovsky has long glued fins. Who is financing this almshouse now?

    If there were natural Corcoran, not Donobuv -. A familiar saleswoman from Ekolas whispered that Don Shoes were hack workers. Chinese "Sparta" better, they sew one on one with European designs
  39. +1
    1 July 2018 20: 53
    The son served a year from 15 to 16 years. For all the time of service I replaced 4 pairs of tibia. “It's just that the soldiers allegedly wear them wrong, so they are falling apart.” And how to wear? When out of 12 months of service, about 8 months passed at the training ground. The soil is clayey, mixed with slush and frost in winter, heat and rain in summer. I recall my service. Replaced only 2 pairs of boots. And then by necessity. 1st after graduation, 2nd (yuft) upon dismissal. All seams were in order, except that heels had to be changed.
  40. +2
    1 July 2018 21: 04
    In terms of long transitions and runs, the footcloth is necessary, with all the ambiguous attitude towards the army, after the demobilization the footcloths and boots did not know an alternative, maybe the boots and, you can make it more convenient, the “unit” is a bit heavy at first, then you get used to it ..., I appreciate the tarpaulin boots , most importantly, they breathed and their legs were not sung. There are enough difficulties in the service, but do not turn the service into a punishment.
    1. +1
      1 July 2018 21: 10
      In youth, all the veterans of the Second World War who have been dead for a long time wore only footcloths if they were going to cut wood for firewood.
  41. +1
    1 July 2018 21: 05
    "Just the fighters supposedly wear them wrong ..."
    And how is it - wrong?
    How will be correct ?
    1. +2
      2 July 2018 13: 23
      In hands, in hands they must be worn! And fools dress foolishly on their feet ...... well, stupid ....
  42. +1
    1 July 2018 21: 08
    I have boots from the company Alloy. I stomped for 2 years in the police, and retired for 5 years. Only real fur peeled off. Everything will not fall apart, it’s a pity to throw out.
    1. +2
      1 July 2018 22: 24
      Well, if you push shit for 50 rubles for a thousand, then who admits that he puts 950 rubles in his pocket? "military acceptance"! The same incident happened with a dry pack a year ago. So what? Have someone planted?
      1. 0
        2 July 2018 23: 20
        I repeat: "No need to steal!"
  43. 0
    1 July 2018 21: 16
    Bertsa even season, from spring to autumn, can not hold out

    Yudashkin to help you
  44. +2
    1 July 2018 21: 22
    it is impossible to wear shoes incorrectly, wrong shoes are possible, and the anatomical features of individual organisms, but this is rare. Yuft boots were practiced in parts of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and cadets flaunted leather, but they were even harder but looked cool.
  45. +1
    1 July 2018 21: 35
    About quality - I immediately remembered how in the Russian-Turkish war, for the liberation of Bulgaria, there was a scandal with the supply of boots with cardboard soles to the army. The peculiarities of Russian capitalism - if you don’t snuff, you won’t get enough. And boots in any way are more convenient, he wore in any conditions and in different climates.
  46. 0
    1 July 2018 21: 36
    Best the enemy of the good!!!
  47. +1
    1 July 2018 22: 08
    This is really a problem. My friend’s son’s first request was: “Send new berets, old ones are torn!”
  48. +1
    1 July 2018 22: 22
    "According to the newspaper, the cost of a pair of winter boots is 5900 rubles, summer - 1800 rubles."
    I walked in both winter and summer in a variety of shoes. From minus 50 to plus 50 (surface). Fifteen to twenty kilometers a day for 10 years from 3 to 5 days a week. When he became the head of the gang of walkers, walks were reduced to 1-2 per week for another 10 years. Now, in the seventy dozen, fingers and feet get frostbitten or numb (hands, though, too (but here to talk about mittens and gloves), but since 1984 they still peel off the nails from the thumbs.
    1. Felt boots are good if the snowball leaves the gate.
    2. Shoes boots - discord. For winter - insidious. Indeed, thick double socks put on thick wool and cotton on top - comfortable (if the size allows), but after ten kilometers of active walking, when the legs are pretty warm up and there is nowhere to leave the pair, there are long periods of forced standing on stones cooled to minus forty. The moonshine still starts to drive the distillate. Before the snow, where it is warmer, it’s only 2 meters to the side and as much (and sometimes more) - down, i.e. slope 45 degrees. Therefore, you choose a horizontal stone platform and blow with a breeze of 20-25 m / s. For the rest of the hour you go with stops and the feeling that the sweat in boots at each stop turns more and more into ice. You dream of boots and footcloths, which can be turned with a dry end onto the foot.
    3. Combined shoes. Many now don’t know what goodbye youth is. These are felt boots with soft rubber soles (bending in the cold). Zipper. Yes, and in the 1980s the “boot” option appeared, eliminating the ingress of snow from the lapel when walking through snowdrifts. The thing is great, but in our time - not aesthetic. But now it is full of what only. For long walks, I preferred high BONA with inserts made of durable fabric for breathing legs. The trouble is one: the same threads do not withstand two seasons (although they are recessed in the cuts of the sole). Especially if the whole winter: thaw-frost, i.e. with crust of infusion. Advantages: the price is half that of the army.
    In summer, not boots, but sneakers are good. The same BONA costs 1000 rubles, it is made of leather, the insoles are an antiseptic. Or the same - kirzachi. I remember that summer was terribly hot (as it is now in Samara-Tolyatti). And I had to spend 12-16 hours in kirzach. The trousers at the top of the shafts are slightly wet, and the feet are dry and comfortable.
    Conclusion. The soldier should have normal winter boots with a soft rubber sole and inserts of membrane fabric, kirzachi and sneakers in the set of shoes (by the way, army sneakers exist)
  49. +2
    1 July 2018 23: 01
    Army Shoe Issues Article

    twower
    1 July, 14: 16
    Finally, the media noticed https://vz.ru/society/2018/7/1/915471.html about the problem with army summer boots. When they called me from Vzglyad and said that they wanted to write an article about this, after answering the questions, I even thanked the journalist for the fact of interest in the topic. For 3 years, not a single media has even dawned on what kind of rubbish they put in the army. Https: //zen.yandex.ru/media/twower/pro-voen
    nuiu-obuv-5b0d36be7ddde8576ef10d7c
    1. +2
      1 July 2018 23: 05
      https://twower.livejournal.com/2277995.html Статья Дениса Мокрушина
  50. +9
    1 July 2018 23: 08
    Each shoe is good for its own conditions. And, of course, there is no competition for sandals in Egypt, like boots in the far north, or boots in the middle lane. But if you need something universal: then boots with footcloths. Well, anyway.
  51. +3
    2 July 2018 01: 09
    Ладно бы обувь, в войска поступают шлемы не соответствующие заданному уровню защиты - 6Б47 для Ратника, не выдерживает попадания пули ПМ, боец получит пролом черепной коробки, что приведёт к стопроцентной смерти. Что то подсказывает что и бронники проверить стоит - первые серии соответствуют заданным качествам, а вот с последующими начинают халтурить.
    1. 0
      2 July 2018 12: 33
      ссыль есть на новость то такую)))???
      1. 0
        2 July 2018 14: 24
        Есть видос ребята испытывали
  52. +2
    2 July 2018 01: 22
    К чему стоимость, так их мать, кирза дышала и это главное и не нада очередные деньги сшибать - я просто бы убивал подобных.
    1. 0
      2 July 2018 05: 47
      Не надо ляля кирза это плотный не пропускающий воздух дерматин и на жаре в кирзачах у нас в части у некоторых людей до такой степени опухали ноги что потом было невозможно снять и одеть сапоги.
      1. 0
        2 July 2018 15: 07
        Халявы-это кирза,остальное-свинячая кожа-нормальный природный материал.Или у Вас везде была кирза?...
        1. 0
          7 July 2018 16: 52
          "Свинячья" кожа идет только на подкладку. Она воду пропускает. Там где проходили щетинки в коже остаются сквозные дыры. На верх обуви и голенища идёт телячья, козловая, баранья кожа разных выделок.
      2. 0
        3 July 2018 12: 58
        Опухли ноги так они больны! с почками точно что то не то!
      3. 0
        7 July 2018 18: 03
        Кирза не дермантин а пропитанный брезент
    2. +2
      2 July 2018 09: 37
      Это царская кирза дышала. Первая "кирза " - изобретение 1904 года Михаила Поморцева. Брезентовая ткань, пропитанная смесью парафина, канифоли и яичного желтка. На вид материал — словно кожа, он не пропускал воду и «дышал». Боевое крещение новинка прошла в Русско-японскую войну: из нее шили сумки и чехлы для артиллерии. А Поморцеву присудили золотую медаль на выставке в Милане.
      Но в революцию рецепт был утерян. Спустя 30 лет советские ученые Борис Бызов и Сергей Лебедев получили дешевый искусственный каучук, пропитка которым тоже делала ткань похожей на натуральную кожу. Наладил производство обуви в промышленных масштабах Иван Плотников. Как раз перед войной, когда надо было срочно обуть армию. Но он материал уже не "дышал".
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  54. 0
    2 July 2018 04: 33
    Как так армия и в разваливающейся обуви? Нужно сшить хорошие крепкие ботинки, выдерживающие и ходьбу и бег, спасающий и в холод и в жару
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    1. +1
      2 July 2018 12: 43
      Мне каждый год выдавали различную обувь. В последнее время бензомаслостойкая подошва. Но! В одних можно было ходить круглый год, в других при минус пять - сотрясение мозгов, переломы рук гарантированы: подошва внезапно превращается в камень с тефлоновым покрытием... Причем обидно: удобные, форма красивая, а подошва - летняя. Другие - уродцы, а ходи сто лет! Я такие на даче 10 лет использую. Пережили два наводнения. Только петельки поржавели. И, по паспортам на обувь и те, и другие используют в подошвах итальянский материал... А вот российские валенки с завулканизированной подошвой - атас! Походка в них - безногий учится ходить на протезах! В общем, за 25 лет выдали 30 комплектов всевозможной обуви, да сам каждый год почти, покупал, так что напробовался!
    2. 0
      3 July 2018 11: 25
      Увидел рационалиста-убей.Знаете почему упало качество?Прием "снизить себестоимость продукции" никогда не слышали?Вот и пихают гуано материал куда только можно.Поэтому и нитки гнилые и подошвы лопаются и шлемы простреливаются и т.д. и т.п.Спасибо Сердюкову и его подруге Васильевой.Со своей реформой в армии она (армия) стала менее боеспособная.
    3. 0
      7 July 2018 16: 55
      А что Фарадей? Военные принимают, какие вопросы?
    4. 0
      7 July 2018 16: 59
      Quote: Prim2
      Чем думали на Фарадее не понятно


      А что Фарадей? Военные принимают. Какие к Фарадею вопросы?
  56. +3
    2 July 2018 06: 19
    У меня друг полжизни в Чечне провел. Контрабасом. Так вот, если сухо и не надо "в горку" - он в кроссовках, если только облачко появилось - сразу перепрыгивал в сапожищи. Не в "берцы", а именно в кирзу.
  57. +2
    2 July 2018 06: 27
    Ну что завопили? Оно вам надо! Это же такая кормушка! На керзачах столько не "заработаешь", даже вместе с портянками, которые уже забыли как наматывать. В-о-о-т!
  58. +2
    2 July 2018 06: 52
    Керзачи однозначно лучше,сохнут быстрее,надеваются быстрее,крепче,дешевле и проще в производстве.Переход начался при мне ,я как раз служил в вс рф- для ребят кто пришел служить на одну проблему стало больше-обувь.У нашего призыва такой проблемы не было- сапог проще!А почему Анатолию Сердюкову ни кто не напомнил о том,что наша армия уже ходила в ботинках и отказалась от них в ходе Великой Отечественной Войны.Складывается впечатление что переход был нужен для освоения бюджета.
    1. 0
      3 July 2018 11: 27
      Не просто в ботинках,а в гадах.На море ещё остались.
  59. +2
    2 July 2018 07: 13
    Quote: Vanek
    Serdyukov began to change. So Serdyukov made an extreme decision. Correctly?

    Shoigu in 2007 had no relation to the army.

    ----------------------------
    Схема-то все равно старая, создаются приближенные фирмы-посредники и через них осуществляются закупки. Пишут, что Тимур Иванов давно переплюнул команду Сердюкова по откатам.
  60. +1
    2 July 2018 07: 14
    Quote: bald
    К чему стоимость, так их мать, кирза дышала и это главное и не нада очередные деньги сшибать - я просто бы убивал подобных.

    -------------------
    Мы на работе в кирзовых ботинках ходим кстати. Носятся вроде и дешевые.
  61. 0
    2 July 2018 08: 12
    Quote: bouncyhunter
    Я ношу уже не первый год как зимние , так и летние ботинки Garsing

    ----------------------------------
    Зимние, это у которых шипы убираются на подошве?
  62. +1
    2 July 2018 08: 43
    Сын отслужил как полгода, я сам в войсках 18 лет оттарабанил. Купили ему, по его просьбе берцы летние, так они у него через 3 месяца в хлам. Нитки полопались и подошва отклеилась. Думаю дело не в "кирзачах" а в комерсах все экономят на качестве (выгода), да и госприемки как таковой уже нет.
  63. +1
    2 July 2018 09: 09
    Quote: Shark Lover
    Во вторых стопа не фиксируется,по камням попрыгайте,

    Прыгать нужно уметь. Зато для подъема на голые скалы кроссовки лучше всего. Ну, кроме галош, конечно. Галоши для подъема-спуска на скалы/со скал - вне конкуренции.
  64. 0
    2 July 2018 09: 25
    Quote: Archon
    от тех берцев поначалу у многих были мозоли уже после первой пробежки. из-за этого у нас первый месяц человек 25 ходили в тапках от казармы в столовую и бегали в тапках,

    В принципе в сапогах было все то же самое.
    В берцах не ходил, поэтому могу предположить, что в сапогах с мозолями ходить (бегать) проще, чем в берцах.
    В сапогах, если на ногах мозоли, то тогда главное - это с утра суметь всунуть ноги в сапоги и перетерпеть первые 30-40 минут. Потом ноги (и мозоли) согреются, мозоли начнут мокнуть и .... перестанут давать о себе знать на эти сутки. Но вот за ночь мозоли подсохнут и с утра все начинается по новой.
    Проблема ещё в том, что организм был тогда молодой и за ночь мозоль могла не только подсохнуть, но и на ней успевала нарасти тоненькая кожица. Которую на следующий день приходилось стирать в кровь. Зато то, что было верхней кожей позавчера - грубела. В общем я как-то стал рассматривать свои пятки и насчитал 5 или 6 слоев мозолей. Причем верхние 3-4 слоя были огрубевшими и в принципе не беспокоили.
    Отдыхом дял мозолей были выходы на стрельбище, когда выдавали валенки. Даже если валенок с дырой в подошве. hi

    Солнечный Гайжюнай, брежневские времена.
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  66. 0
    2 July 2018 09: 33
    Quote: aries2200
    ПЕред первой мировой..купцы мироеды -прогнившую ткань на шинели,одеяла в армию поставляли рваные сапоги ...протухшие продукты

    Да ладно вам... Начитались книг издательства "Политическая литература". Царская кирза между прочим дышала.
    Брезентовая ткань, пропитанная смесью парафина, канифоли и яичного желтка. Изобретение 1904 года Михаила Поморцева. На вид материал — словно кожа, он не пропускал воду и «дышал». Боевое крещение новинка прошла в Русско-японскую войну: из нее шили сумки и чехлы для артиллерии. А Поморцеву присудили золотую медаль на выставке в Милане.
  67. 0
    2 July 2018 09: 34
    Сапоги с портянками самое то, четверть века назад со срочной дембельнулся до сих пор помню как они наматываются.
  68. 0
    2 July 2018 11: 02
    Просто бойцы якобы носят их неправильно, поэтому они у них и разваливаются. Из этого можно сделать вывод, что берцы больше менять никто не будет – ходите в том, что есть, добавил Мокрушин. --- Вот дать ему эти берцы и пускай в них по ходит и научит, как правильно их носить"
  69. +1
    2 July 2018 11: 04
    лучше сапог нету обуви. Разработали бы удобную современную модель на смену кирзе
  70. +3
    2 July 2018 11: 18
    Я вот представил что если бы я купил в магазине обувь,. она на следующий день развалилась, и прихожу менять/возвращать, а мне кассирша такая, "это не обувь плохая это ты его носить не умеешь"... дико да?, а для армии норм, как к скотам относятся в этом вся и проблема.
    1. +1
      3 July 2018 13: 04
      А чего представлять сам так купил не армейская а гражданские туфли через дня 3 лопнула подошва принес в магазин. менять отказались со словами так они ношеные ! Нет млин в коробке лежали три дня и лопнули!)))
      1. +1
        3 July 2018 13: 13
        Я когда писал тот комментарий, не думал что такое и правда может быть)))) А что в итоге то? деньги не вернули?)
  71. 0
    2 July 2018 11: 30
    Quote: delvin-fil
    У меня друг полжизни в Чечне провел. Контрабасом. Так вот, если сухо и не надо "в горку" - он в кроссовках, если только облачко появилось - сразу перепрыгивал в сапожищи. Не в "берцы", а именно в кирзу.

    Согласен! Ноги промочил, портянки отжал и вперед, если конечно есть возможность, то высушить. Я до сих пор на охоту сапоги с портянками ношу. wink
  72. 0
    2 July 2018 12: 32
    КАмитет все еще трепыхается))))?????.
    ,,,,,автор вы вообще в курсе что упоминаете сборище, финансируемое из враждебных источников???
  73. 0
    2 July 2018 12: 40
    Дочитал до кликухи Деня Мокрушин сблеванул
    ...кто то читает этого иксперда ????.....прости хоспеди
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  75. +1
    2 July 2018 14: 48
    А сколько сейчас стоят кирзовые сапоги?Служил с октября 1958 по март1962г.г.в кирзовых сапогах.Сапоги меняли через 8...9 месяцев.Первые 3 месяца не промокали,а потом воду помаленьку начинали пропускать.С хорошими чистыми портянками лучшей обуви для солдата придумать трудно...Берцы по асфальту может быть и лучше "кизрзы",а вот в грязь,снег и слякоть,сомневаюсь...
  76. 0
    2 July 2018 14: 53
    В 86 на лето выдали берцы. Четыре месяца они отстояли. Затем зашивать. Самое главное издевательство это носки. К концу недели это одна большая дырка. Можно даже не пытаться зашивать. Остается резинка от носка и тормозочек. Еще одна проблема - шнурки. Чере 2-3 месяца они превращаются в пособие по морским узлам.. Я за сапоги.
  77. 0
    2 July 2018 15: 45
    Quote: Doliva63
    Quote: Beltasir Matyagu
    why can’t you come up with and make shoes no worse than canvas boots? If you can’t, return the tarpaulin. And the one who considers a sock is more practical than footcloths - a moron or all his life in classrooms. They need to be sent a hundred kilometers to go in these socks to gangrene. Footcloths and invented to save a leg.

    The tarpaulin boots are bad, they were made because it was expensive to provide the whole army with yuft, therefore, they were worn by cadets of schools and military units of the Group of Forces. He wore a tarpaulin, yuft, etc., which was supposed by pleasure. The most unkillable are ash field, the most crap is mountain boots.

    Пришлось мне поносить и кирзу и юфть и яловые, самое практичное это кирза, юфть нам выдавали одну пару на весь срок службы одну пару, как парадная форма, носкостью не отличались. Яловые не убиваемые, но очень тяжёлые, кирза глдилась на все случаи жизни, на каблуки делали подковы из электродов пятёрки. Берцы поносить не удалось, и не жалею, одна мысль - возиться со шнурками, в дрожь бросает.
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  79. +1
    2 July 2018 19: 50
    Верните сапоги и портянки! И всё будет в порядке...))
  80. SIT
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    2 July 2018 22: 10
    Универсальную обувь на все случаи жизни наверное не придумать. Тем более армейскую. Можно конечно дойти от Сталинграда до Берлина в кирзачах с портянками. Опыт такой есть. Но все таки хотелось бы поменьше тягот и невзгод, которые надо стойко переносить. По сему осень, весну в России, а на Кавказе и в Крыму и зиму хотелось бы переносить в полиуретановых сапогах с вкладышем под соответствующую температуру. Типа как у наших финских соседей.

    В жару хоть в пустыне, хоть на скалах, хоть в тропическом лесу , где кожа на ботинках, гниет вместе с кожей на ногах, вот этот вариант проверен французским иностранным легионом еще в 1947
  81. +2
    2 July 2018 23: 29
    Данная история с летними ботинками тянется очень давно и совершенно не нова. И при этом накал северного пушного зверька в ней такой что вариант коррупции выглядит лучше тотальной профнепригодности.

    Начать нужно с того что за основу взяли не военные ботинки,а ретро-декоративные Corcoran Marauder. Ретро-декоративные,Карл! Они изначально предназначаются для того что бы гламурненько в стиле милитари ходить по центру города. Именно поэтому мы имеем декоративный носок обуви с дырочками и декоративно нашитый задник. Эти элементы несут строго декоративную функцию и повторяет метод шитья старых военных ботинок США и они были полностью скопированы в наших военных ботинках. Само собой это удорожает изделие.

    Но это еще не конец,мало того что у нас на вооружение приняли ретро-декоративные ботинки так еще и сделали их через одно место. Взяли синтетическую ткань которая предназначена для того что бы ноги дышали и...проклеили её подкладкой в результате чего она полностью перестала дышать. То есть теперь синтетические вставки не дышат как кожа,но в отличии от кожи ужасно чистятся. Зачем это надо было делать? Потому что у Corcoran Marauder синтетические вставки есть,значит надо в рамках преклонения перед Западом копировать,а проклеили их что бы можно было ходить в дождь.

    В свое время Мокрушин правильно спрашивал у разработчика "Может быть тогда вообще убрать эти вставки раз вы не можете их нормально сделать?",но получил такой вот "ответ" "Может быть нам и в каменный век вернуться?".

    На все это наслоили ужасающее качество изготовление,после кто-то подмахнул их принятие на вооружение и мы получили ботинки которые имеют кучу декоративных элементов,не предназначены для носки в условиях армии и просто разваливаются за недели. И при этом который год их откровенно покрывают,от модели полностью не отказываются,никто ответственность не несет и тд. А срочникам ботинки покупают родители.

    Что бы такого не было нужно что бы все те кто принимал этот ужас присели лет на 10 и дальше по цепочке. После нужно полностью отказаться от ретро-декоративных и разработать свои,военные. Не можем разработать свои? Скопировать у "западных партнеров",но именно военные ботинки и правильно их изготавливать. Но судя по тому что нет не то что посадок,а даже отказа от заведомо неудачной модели все это прикрывается с самого верху.

    В очередной раз в комментариях отметились теоретики выступающие за полный возврат к кирзе. Теоретики ведь никогда не носили современных ботинок,никогда не пробовали в кирзе попрыгать по горам и холмам,пройти в день где-то 30км с грузом за плечами и тд. Факт в том что сапоги сейчас используются только в двух варианта: Непромокаемые и зимние. Все. Вы никогда не увидите спецназовца,геолога,профессионального туриста в кирзачах и портянках. Только ботинки. Старая гвардия очень редко и на несложных маршрутах носит ботинки с портянками,но в большинстве своем используются нормальные современные носки которые на 100 голов выше портянок.

    Так что тут практика всех рассудила.
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      3 July 2018 11: 42
      Я тут с англичанином общался пока первый НордСтрим строил,обратил внимание на их рабочую обувь.Кожаные (не кирзовые) сапоги.С толстой подошвой.Не высокие сантиметров 35-40.Но в них удобно.У нас я таких ещё не видел.
  82. 0
    3 July 2018 11: 15
    Ну не знаю.Армейские берцы не носил ,а вот про кирзачи скажу-гадость та ещё.С моим 48 размером по молодости влез в 45 размер,итог испорченные ступни.Да и пацаны от них не в восторге,когда в Никеле не построении в минус тридцать в кирзачах строили,так ноги у всех мёрзли.
  83. 0
    3 July 2018 12: 00
    Эти новые берцы получил оченью 14 года,сдал на склад в мае этого года.В Таджикистане зимние берцы не выдают,так что ходишь в этих 8 месяцев в году,4 месяца ходишь в "бежевых".Относил нормально,с подошвой всё в порядке,шнурки ни разу не менял.Из плюсов легкие,удобные, хорошо фиксируют голеностоп.Из минусов быстро промокают даже в траве с росой.Тут это не критично,уже в 7 утра температура воздуха за 30 градусов,так что высыхают очень быстро.Разумеется зимой носишь и резиновые сапоги,на зимние полигоны берешь кожаные берцы,в любом военторге России можно взять в пределах 2 тысяч.В общем эти берцы больше подходят для службы в ППД.Но и полигонов прошли немало,если нет дождей ,то это не критично, всё же главный недостаток их это то ,что они быстро промокают.У многих ребят тоже проблем с ними не было.Разумеется были и индивидуумы,у которых они рвались уже через несколько месяцев.Так что в принципе согласен,что в основном зависит от того,как их носят и как за ними ухаживают.Конечно не исключаю того,что тем кому с ними не повезло,попалась бракованная партия.Ну а что касается зимних,то это зависит от того в каком регионе служишь.Для зимы есть валенки.Я срочку сам отходил в кирзачах в Читинской области,но на зиму мы там переобувались в валенки и ходили в них по полгода, даже на плацу маршировали.Так что нытье о том,что вот в берцах невозможно служить очень преувеличено и раздуто.Кроме берцев есть резиновые сапоги и валенки.Которые также выдаются на складе.Любой желающий может купить себе недорогие берцы для сменной обуви на тот период пока основная пара сушится.В общем у тех,кто недоволен берцами,проблема не с берцами,а с головой.
    У срочников проблем тоже нет, если конечно командиры и старшины выполняют свои обязанности в полном объеме.К примеру могу привести учебный центр спецназа,который расположен на территории НВВКУ.Там полигон находится на расстоянии 15 км от части.Как правило бегают туда и обратно пешочком.Зимой марш совершается в зимних берцах,а по прибытии на полигон все переобуваются в валенки, которые у каждого срочника с собой.Постреляли,поползали на полигоне,после окончания занятий,все переобуваются обратно в берцы и побежали домой.Никто не умер до сих пор.
  84. +1
    3 July 2018 12: 57
    Ни чего Вы не понимаете это такая тактическая мысль. У нашего солда та будет стимул завалить ворога и переобуться в трофейные!
  85. +1
    3 July 2018 19: 20
    Не знаю,покупал я для работы какие-то берцы-очень неудобные были,стелька проваливалась в подошву,развалились через 3 месяца.
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  88. 0
    4 July 2018 14: 57
    Как отметили в «Комитете солдатских матерей России»...

    Не понятно что на это ответили в «Комитете солдатских отцов России» :)
  89. +2
    5 July 2018 13: 24
    Когда при мне стали менять сапоги на берцы - я сразу сказал, что это идиотизм!
    Берцы гораздо дольше одеваются по тревоге.
    Разношенные сапоги удобнее чем кроссовки на любом марш броске.
    В сапогах можно в любой момент перевернуть портянку если ноги вспотели и бежать дальше. Мокрая часть портянки в это время сохнет. Далее можно повторить процедуру.
    Разноска сапог происходит гораздо быстрее.
    В сапогах гораздо удобнее идти по лесу (особенно мокрому).
    Сапоги грамотным бойцом могут носиться до пяти лет (мой опыт) - только меняй подошвы.
    Новые носки найти гораздо сложнее чем портянки.
    В одних и тех же сапогах мы ходили и зимой и летом меняя портянки. Никаких проблем при этом не испытывали.
    Единственный минус сапог у неопытного солдата - черные полосы на заднице. (кто знает - то поймет).
    Мое скромное мнение - насмотрелись на заграничные армии и поперлись в свой монастырь с чужим уставом.
  90. 0
    5 July 2018 17: 37
    Какими бы берцы небыли, но с сапогами их сравнивать сложно. Носил самые разные берцы, предлагаемые армейскими довольствующими органами. Ни одни из них не уберегли меня от промокания, даже если ты просто идешь по грязи. Носки менять приходится чаще чем при хождении на гражданке. Сапоги тоже не панацея, пятку не держат даже в портянках, жесткая подошва скользит на камне и по броне. Выход один: использовать и то и другое, по решению командира, но думаю на это МО не пойдет.
  91. 0
    6 July 2018 01: 23
    ...однако быстро выяснилось, что их качество оставляет желать лучшего – подошва лопается, текстиль рвется...
    ОТКАТЫ,ОТКАТЫ, КРУГОМ ОДНИ ОТКАТЫ !!!
  92. +1
    6 July 2018 16: 56
    Купил для похода берцы в Сплаве. Поддался моде на все военное. Один раз в горы сходил-неудобно, ступня не сгибается, неудобно по склону подыматься. Потратился, купил немецкие треккинговые ботинки Meindl с подошвой вибрам и мембраной. В 10 дневном походе по горам остался доволен, подымался в них на Эльбрус. Обычно для бездорожья использую эти ботинки, если предвидится путь только по дороге одеваю кроссовки NorthFase. Не понимаю я эти берцы, говорят, что поддерживает голеностоп, не дает ногу подвернуть. Но реально неудобно в горах, когда по камням подымаешься с рюкзаком.
  93. +2
    7 July 2018 15: 35
    Дорогие комментаторщики! Скажу только про себя и своих сослуживцах (1973 - 1975 гг. службы). За те два года ни разу не слышал жалоб ни на "кирзачи" ни на "ялики", последние из чистой кожи. Некоторые "деды" и "дембеля" шили в ателье ХРОМОВЫЕ по ноге для выхода в увольнение, но и так расхаживали в расположении.
    Теперь, сравнения (моё мнение) - сапоги, по тревоге зашнуровывать не надо, надеваются быстро, как и снимаются, если что. Ухоженные, начищенные, выглядели отлично и не промокали. Портянки подсушить на привале без проблем. Про высокие ботинки со шнуровкой этого не скажешь. Потом, разница, сезонная, у кирзовых сапог только в количестве и плотности портянок и ВСЁ(!). А портянки, по любому, всегда дешевле "сменной", сезонной, обуви.
    И последнее, тоже не маловажное, по моему и не только, мнению сапоги на ноге всегда выглядят симпатичнее и строже в дизайнерском смысле.
    Не знаю, каким местом думал табуреткин, но у него был и верхглавком, без Его мнения Сердюков вряд ли решился переобувать Армию в ДЕРЬМО(!) и ДОРОГО.
    Хотя и тому и другому сравнивать было не чего и не с чем. Они марш броски по 20 км. не бегали... Приятнее в тёплом зале на татами, в ОХОТОЧКУ...))
  94. 0
    7 July 2018 15: 52
    Quote: 73petia
    Вот на счёт того что "ни чего сложного" это зря.

    Хорошо делать свою работу ,в этом нет ни чего сложного Тогда и нитки не гниют ,подошва не лопается , кожа не трескается после месяца носки ... Делать работу ХОРОШО! Что в этом сложного? В сущности не лгать ,не воровать , не обманывать достаточно просто .. Наверное многие это не знают .
    1. +1
      7 July 2018 17: 26
      Quote: 30 vis
      Хорошо делать свою работу ,в этом нет ни чего сложного


      Сложное есть в любой работе которую выполняешь добросовестно и качественно. Но главное чтобы ты получал удовольствие от хорошо выполненной работы. Даже если хорошо выполнить работу сложнее (иногда даже значительно сложнее). И самооценка возрастает, (Могу ведь!). К этому приходишь не сразу, а через какой то временной период, когда необходимо внешнее воздействие. Чтобы кто то заставлял, носом "потыкал", иногда надавил.
  95. +1
    7 July 2018 18: 01
    Я своему сыну 3е берцев купил за год.Приехал всё равно в рваных на дембель.Эта обувь для босяков.Помнится в 1 мировую бунты в армии были из за того что подошвы у сапог отваливались.Воруют батенька воруют Если бы знал что у них можно было носить не уставные купил бы зимние американские.Я даже тогда письмо писал Баранцу и в МО РФ .В ответ ни слуху ни духу.
  96. 0
    7 July 2018 18: 58
    Quote: 73petia
    Но главное чтобы ты получал удовольствие от хорошо выполненной работы.

    Согласен ! И понимаешь ,я делаю своё дело отлично ! Никто не ткнёт и не укорит .
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  98. +1
    10 July 2018 13: 51
    Quote: from article
    As noted in the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers of Russia, the situation is gradually improving - it has become better, but not perfect.

    Ничего себе, нашли эксперда по армейской обуви - Комитет солдатских матерей России. Название они выбрали себе громкое, за душу берущее, а суть простая - долой русскую армию. Для них чем хуже, тем лучше. Хотя тут удивляться нечему:
    Скажи, кто оплачивает твоё дыхание, и я скажу тебе, кто ты есть.
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    18 July 2018 14: 11
    Компания "БТК групп" на сегодня является официальным и единственным поставщиком обуви и одежды в МО РФ. Остальные силовики, наверное, тоже обзавелись "своими" кампаниями. От них даже ФАС отодвинули... Что определили "качественным", то войска и оденут...
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    19 November 2018 22: 02
    Берцы, что зимние, что летние плохого качества. Сын служит в армии по призыву и я лично видел как развалились зимние берцы, а потом и летние

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"