Shock stealth F-117: triumph or fiasco?

It's been 10 years since this aircraft was taken out of service with the US Air Force. During his 25 years of service, he participated in almost all the military operations of the American army, while becoming a source of pride as a trophy gained in an unequal struggle. He appeared in several blockbusters of Hollywood. But all this is not the most important thing.

But the most important thing is that its appearance directly influenced the characteristics shown for new combat vehicles. The F-117 is the first production aircraft built exclusively around the idea of ​​low visibility in the radar and infrared bands. This technology turned out to be so breakthrough and significant that it became an integral part of all the fighters and bombers that were used by the US Army after the 80s.

After the implementation of the F-117, the X-NUMX-generation fighters F-5 and F-22 were created, as well as the strategic bomber B-35. These aircraft received technology that had previously been worked out on the first stealth.

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[Andrey Yuryevich]

This technology turned out to be so breakthrough and significant that it became an integral part of all the fighters and bombers that were in service with the US Army after the 80s

and therefore, the 117th was decommissioned, and B-1c left ...

[Egorovich]

Let’s better remember how this wunderwafel fe-117 was shot down in Yugoslavia with the S-125 complex, in 1999. The fragments of the aircraft were also collected.

[2329 Carpenter]

Let's do it better: remember that the Americans both created their last two fighters in stealth. This is still talking about something.
Yes, and the Su-57, he also sins stealth.
And whether they will stray with striped slippers - only time will tell.

[Lex.]

Well shot down and what?
Technology has run in it works

[sentaniel]

It works, but it does not steer))

[Totah155]

Quote: Lex.

Well shot down and what?
Technology has run in it works

And that was shot down not by radio homing, but because of the indifference of the Americans.
Every day they flew along the same route

[GibSoN]

Let’s better remember how this wunderwafer fe-117

Let’s better remember how many aircraft and what kind of aircraft were shot down .. The fact that in Yugoslavia they shot down an F-117 using the latest developments in the field of air defense, covering the whole thing with a “microwave”, “French sight” and other “game” ", is designed only for those who can’t keep anything in their head besides the banal numbers. But it’s not realistic to believe that the best technical achievements of the Russian Federation were not involved in the “downing” of this F-117 itself! Having such a “free” opportunity, even the uttermost “not very smart on the head” warrior will not be able to “deny himself”. End with these tales. If in a nutshell. F-117, shot down, including, using developments that were later implemented in complexes of the type S-400. That is, in fact, the plane shot down the Russian Federation! Everything else, fairy tales for children. The bottom line is. What the RF and the USA know about this! Well, now if we assume that this will become officially known to everyone, at the official level, it turns out that this plane was shot down not by Yugoslavia but by the Russian Federation! Scandal, international level, it's just not what! there are those who will put pressure on the act of aggression and the declaration of war! Since in fact, it’s not a secret to anyone what the essence of the participation of the Russian Federation in that operation was! Or has the Russian Federation officially announced that the goal in Yugoslavia was the war with the United States? How do you like such nonsense, gentlemen, seekers of conspiracies against the universe?))

[nikolai711]

And then the Serbs apologized: We did not know that he was invisible.

[antiexpert]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

Let’s better remember how this wunderwafel fe-117 was shot down in Yugoslavia with the S-125 complex, in 1999. The fragments of the aircraft were also collected.

By the way, yes, it’s a very significant moment! For over tuevu a bunch of sorties, only one side was shot down. This is a great indicator!

an excellent indicator when a platoon of machine gunners Hiram Maxim is put up against the natives with spears
undoubtedly, this is quite a significant moment!
The question is, where did this flying goblin oppose a more or less normal SAM, at least the S-300?
That is why, and so far, the fu-22 and fu-35 have one actual documentary use in real combat. In this case, both times against the natives with bows and arrows. The principle does not change - machine guns against the Zulus with spears)))

[123456789]

The technology "stealth" today is offset by the increased characteristics of airborne radars, OELS, electronic warfare equipment.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: 123456789

The technology "stealth" today is offset by increased characteristics of airborne radars, OELS, electronic warfare

Yeah, only no one except you understood this, and "stealth" continues to rivet. Stupid people, to put it mildly)

[123456789]

Quote: Gregory_45

Quote: 123456789

The technology "stealth" today is offset by increased characteristics of airborne radars, OELS, electronic warfare

Yeah, only no one except you understood this, and "stealth" continues to rivet. Stupid people, to put it mildly)

Only real air combat will show who is right:
Stealth + AWACS or EW + Super maneuverability.
Which, incidentally, could have been carried out (if not already done) in Syria with the Israeli F-35

[Grigory_45]

Quote: 123456789

Only real air combat will show who is right:
Stealth + AWACS or EW + Super maneuverability

nothing is to be modeled here. The outcome is already clear, the side without AWAX and shining on the radar like a Christmas tree has very few chances. And your over-maneuverability will not help. The outcome of real battles is half (if not more) depends on the training of personnel, and not on the characteristics of the equipment. She gives potential advantage so that it becomes real - you need to be able to take advantage of this.

And about super-maneuverability .. apparently, history teaches only that which does not teach anything. Remember Spain, the confrontation between super-maneuverable biplanes and the first high-speed monoplanes, and who eventually won. Won a high-speed momoplane, which, if desired, can also be very maneuverable. Draw an analogy. adjusted for today's reality. Stealth is the same speed as applied to the realities of 70 years ago, it allows the first to attack and exit the battle at any time

[MPN]

Stealth + AWACS or EW + Super maneuverability

Some kind of interesting question. Something like which is better, soft or warm? AWACS today is a mandatory attribute of the database of all parties (not counting the wars with the Papuans), but what are the characteristics of the AWACS radar and ground means and avionics of aircraft, this must be taken into account, the same stealth can be detected by modern ground radars and AWACS, long before entering the zone of possible use of their weapons and fighters will be aimed at it and air defense systems will be used ... EWs are similar, besides taking into account what defense means are on airplanes (there are group ones, there are individual ones) You still have to survive before using the BVB . And that question about soft and warm is not correct initially ...

[meandr51]

You learn American advertising well. But Soviet and Russian designers went their own way. Which is far from child prodigy. Which takes into account all the factors at once and determines each measure its own. It is the optimal compromise and cost reduction that is the hallmark of our school. But for this it is necessary to have developed systemic thinking.

[Grigory_45]

themselves decided to argue in public? Well, well, I wish you success

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Gregory_45

And about super-maneuverability .. apparently, history teaches only that which does not teach anything. Remember Spain, the confrontation between super-maneuverable biplanes and the first high-speed monoplanes, and who eventually won. Won a high-speed momoplane, which, if desired, can also be very maneuverable. Draw an analogy. adjusted for today's reality.

In air combat - and more broadly - in air combat - it’s not the planes that win, but the people! The level of their training, their willingness to take risks, their disposition to win! And of course, tactics that are best suited to the needs of the moment and against this adversary!

[t-4]

Quote: Mikhail Matyugin

In air combat - and more broadly - in air combat - it’s not the planes that win, but the people!

What kind of slogan did I read right now?
The one with the best weapon wins. With spears and bows against Kalash, be you seven spans in your forehead and brave as a lion, do not win any war. How many abrams there burned t-72 in the year 1991? The brave Iraqis did not even have time to understand where it was coming from.
And people are always the same. A warrior from the time of Alexander Nevsky would not have been lost among modern commandos. But without modern weapons - he is just a civilian with an antique sword ..

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: t-4

What kind of slogan did I read right now?
The one with the best weapon wins. With spears and bows against Kalash, be you seven spans in your forehead and brave as a lion, do not win any war. How many abrams there burned t-72 in the year 1991? The brave Iraqis did not even have time to understand where it was coming from.

Actually, we are talking about the difference in armament not by several orders of magnitude, this time.
Secondly, it is people, training, who help not only to overcome the imperfection of the materiel, but also to win - see my comment about the holy rights of the administration of Ushakov about how she broke the "Crocodile of naval battles".

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Mikhail Matyugin

In air combat - and more broadly - in air combat - it’s not the planes that win, but the people! The level of their training, their willingness to take risks, their disposition to win! And of course, tactics that are best suited to the needs of the moment and against this adversary!

I did not deny the importance of training personnel. It to some extent allows you to level out some flaws in technology. But just a few. It is naive to expect from the crowd armed with bows and peaks against machine guns and tanks something but to die heroically. It is very unreasonable to discount technical and technological superiority. Otherwise, according to your logic, it turns out that the latter can not be spent at all. What for? All you need is to: gather people, train and motivate them, give everyone a stone ax or a fusee from the museum, and they will effortlessly defeat a modern, well-equipped army))

[123456789]

Quote: 123456789

Only real air combat will show who is right:

opinions were divided, (all + ik) the intrigue spins more and more ...
We are waiting for the (first) subsequent shot down.
The first shot down in Yugoslavia

[123456789]

PS

real air battle

conducted and, according to the results, abandon the Su-57 in favor of the Su-35.

[Simon]

Quote: Egorovich

Let’s better remember how this wunderwafel fe-117 was shot down in Yugoslavia with the S-125 complex, in 1999. The fragments of the aircraft were also collected.

Yeah, this breakthrough technology was brought down by the Soviet complex of the 70s of the last century in Yugoslavia - this is a breakthrough!

[Vard]

But how much money has been earned on this technology ... And how much more will be earned ...

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Simon

Yeah, this breakthrough technology was brought down by the Soviet complex of the 70s of the last century in Yugoslavia - this is a breakthrough

But what, technologies guarantee the device absolute invulnerability? Do not tell me what kind of technology "invulnerability" created?

[Town Hall]

Quote: Simon

Yeah, this breakthrough technology was brought down by the Soviet complex of the 70s of the last century in Yugoslavia - this is a breakthrough!

Too shy to ask .. and f-117 what years of what century development?

[Grigory_45]

The F-117 is the first production aircraft built solely around the idea of ​​low visibility in the radar and infrared ranges.

- it was precisely this "exceptionalism" that failed him. You cannot sacrifice everything else in the name of one thing.

These aircraft received technology that had previously been developed on the first "stealth".

- Yes, there was nothing really on the "lame goblin" worked out. Testing went to B-2. And that same “plane of flat faces” is all that technology of that time could allow. Thank God, at least not on a slide rule, poor engineers had to count on computers, but even then they did not allow calculating double curvature surfaces with parameters necessary for reasons of radar imperceptibility.

[vfvlasov]

The USA has a new missile defense system! We launch a training ICBM in the European part from the firing range, to Kamchatka, in 20 seconds, the US missile defense systems already hang at the borders of the Russian Federation !!! These devices will not allow our ICBMs to cross the border. Think about it. Why the United States did not produce a single “invisible” aircraft B-3 spirit in 20 years ??? Unlimited money, the production opportunities are huge. What are stupid, relaxed? But because they don’t want to waste money on old technologies. There are technologies much more efficient. This is the control of gravity, the control of inertia, the control of airflow around aircraft, etc. .. Our military still thinks that this UFO meets and monitors our training ICBMs ???? Are they really so naive? By the way, the technology on the TR-2B is Soviet, from the end of the 3s. The United States managed to correctly translate the description of the invention, assign and implement. They have bureaucrats smarter than ours! A lot!

[alekc75]

3 the slate from where did they send you ???

[sentaniel]

Quote: Gregory_45

Quote: 123456789

The technology "stealth" today is offset by increased characteristics of airborne radars, OELS, electronic warfare

Yeah, only no one except you understood this, and "stealth" continues to rivet. Stupid people, to put it mildly)

Quote: Gregory_45

Quote: 123456789

The technology "stealth" today is offset by increased characteristics of airborne radars, OELS, electronic warfare

Yeah, only no one except you understood this, and "stealth" continues to rivet. Stupid people, to put it mildly)

Of course they do not steer, they already see forgot the training battle F-22 and EA-18 Growler in 2009)))

[Grigory_45]

Quote: sentaniel

Of course they do not steer, they already see forgot the training battle F-22 and EA-18 Growler in 2009

From now on, do you propose arming yourself only with EW aircraft?
What is known about that battle, and was it at all?
And, if you follow your logic. Do you offer to generally “score” on stealth? Right, do I understand you?

[Anton Yu]

According to Serbian data, the US Air Force lost three F-117s. The first was shot down on March 27 at 20.55 (pilot-captain Ken "Vis" Dvili) 32 km from Belgrade (near the village of Budanovtsy) by the Yugoslav fighter Mig-29 (loss confirmed). Probably, an OLS was used during the attack, because the pilot said that the attack was unexpected (STR did not work). Another aircraft of this type, according to the Ministry of Defense of Serbia, was lost on April 5 during the attack of the TV tower “Cat Cat” (no confirmation). May 20, the Serbs reported that over Kosovo Mig-29 (pilot Aliya Arizanov) shot down another F-117 (no evidence).

[Anton Yu]

According to Iraqi data in 1991
On January 20, there was one annoying curious incident during the F-117 strike, destroying a ground target returning from the territory near Basra, where he destroyed the communications center. It began to grow light and the plane became more than noticeable flight, took place in a very narrow corridor. A soldier of the Iraqi army, seeing visually the flight of an incomprehensible black plane flying at an altitude of about 1 km, launched a MANPADS, then neighboring crews, also noticing the aircraft, captured the target and fired several Strela and Igla missiles. All the missiles rushed towards the target, but only 2 of them went along the course of the plane, the pilot transmitted in plain text about help, one of the missiles catching the plane fell under the belly of the plane and exploded, as a result of which the plane began to decrease for some time according to the story of the Iraqis themselves black smoke. However, to the surprise of the Iraqis themselves, the plane did not catch fire and did not fall, leaving the MANPADS shelling, the plane gained a little height and continued to go to the side of the Iraqi border. After some time, the aircraft was no longer visually observed, leaving behind a strip of black smoke. Whether this plane crashed in the desert or was it still able to reach the base in Saudi Arabia to this day remains a mystery.

[nnz226]

As far as I remember, this "piece of iron" in flight was supported by 5 computers that kept it in the air. Otherwise, she would have immediately gone into a tailspin and even C-125 would not have been needed. Nobody canceled aerodynamics, and a brick can only fly from above to the ground. And the "aerobatics" of these "piece of iron" in the works of Hollywood - computer graphics and unscientific fiction. She could only fly uniformly and rectilinearly over a flat surface ...

[Dimmedroll]

And why didn’t they say that this miracle does not fly without the help of a pilot and crashes to the earth like a stone. And with low visibility, frankly not ice.

[Alex boyko]

Blue pi dream: kill other people with impunity, from afar and without risk to yourself. Recall smallpox blankets, gunfire from Indian villages, chemical weapons against Vietnam and so on ... They really want to kill - only Russia is not Indians without pants. So there is delirium such as lasers, SDI, railguns, global strikes, stealth and other wet dreams.