In Kiev, announced the creation of the next "most powerful" rocket

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In Ukraine, they announced the creation of the next "most powerful, causing serious concern to Russia" rocket. This was stated by the head of the Ukrainian Center for Army Studies, Conversion and Disarmament Valentin Badrak. After his statement, the Ukrainian media were flashing headlines like "Russia in a panic," "Ukraine will answer Russia with its rocket," and so on. etc.

In Kiev, announced the creation of the next "most powerful" rocket




According to Badrak, the new anti-ship missile is "a powerful mobile ground vehicle" being developed in Ukraine and capable of hitting "any targets at a distance 280-300 kilometers." He said that at the present time the rocket had already been tested, showed “good” results and would go to the troops next year. The development is conducted, according to Badrak, by several enterprises under the leadership of the Luch design bureau. In addition, Badrak said that a rocket “flying on 1500 km” will appear soon.

If you omit all the laudatory headlines and speeches of Ukrainian officials, who almost every day report on the "missiles that will destroy Russia tomorrow", then almost nothing will be left in the balance. The missile, about which Badrak talks, most likely is the Neptune anti-ship missile, actually being developed by Luch design bureau. Essentially, this is the Soviet / Russian X-35 RCC, on which the TRDD-50 propulsion engine was installed, which was produced at the Zaporozhye Engine Plant during the Soviet period, and instead of the homing head from X-35, due to the lack of production of the GOS in Ukraine, the GOS was installed from the anti-aircraft missile complex C-200.

You can read more about this rocket in material "Military Review" Truth and fiction about the Ukrainian cruise missile "Neptune"
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  1. +11
    30 June 2018 18: 11
    According to Badrak

    Chet is not sure that the name was spelled correctly. Yuzhmash can still. Probably?
    1. MPN
      +17
      30 June 2018 18: 20
      Russia's most powerful missile.
      And I feel ... something I have recently become somehow restless ... sad And there it is ... what
      1. +4
        30 June 2018 18: 44
        It’s nothing, but it’s a serious weapon and how horses will use it ... it won’t get any easier, you can expect everything from them, even if there are only a few pieces.
        1. MPN
          +13
          30 June 2018 18: 47
          Vitya hi They will not use anything. They don’t have such a wild desire to get back multiplied by 10, Yes, and I think this will be generally the beginning of the end of the whole junta ...
          1. +8
            30 June 2018 19: 07
            Paul hi , they don’t have brains, that’s what’s dangerous.
            1. MPN
              +11
              30 June 2018 19: 12
              For this, their ass is sensitive, it leads them into trouble and generally controls the entire state, which is why it is difficult to understand them, we are not used to the logic of asses. smile But they will save their skin by any means ... wink
              1. +4
                30 June 2018 19: 35
                They have a classic - "and we are for sho", and sincerely.
          2. +1
            30 June 2018 22: 58
            Well, they themselves achieve this, then they will dump it in a quiet, and all the smut, as usual in Russia! Everything is as usual, nothing new! hi
        2. +2
          30 June 2018 19: 26
          Quote: cniza
          It’s nothing, but it’s a serious weapon and how horses will use it ... it won’t get any easier, you can expect everything from them, even if there are only a few pieces.

          I agree with the very dangerous guys, with their collapse in production, cruise missiles become practically non-knocked down. They will launch it in the Crimea, and the rocket will fly to Sochi.
        3. +8
          30 June 2018 19: 28
          Victor! I didn’t expect such a mood from you! Your one nickname should cause horror among them! wink
          1. +2
            30 June 2018 19: 37
            Greetings Vyacheslav! hi I have an optimistic mood, but these "monkeys with a grenade" ..., in general, you can not leave them unattended.
        4. +6
          30 June 2018 19: 45
          Vitya, they sang the same laudatory praises about their mortars “Hammer”. Hit the "Hammers" in the army - began to break. About armored cars "Shame" , to blame - "Watch" the same songs were - in the troops began to fall apart. Do you understand what trend I am? wink
          1. +2
            30 June 2018 19: 53
            Pasha, yes it’s understandable, but still they need to be stalled and controlled. This rocket is still Soviet and they can produce them, though not much.
            1. +3
              30 June 2018 19: 57
              About "for the horns and the stall," I agree with you. But the possibilities of this prodigy are obviously exaggerated by the skakuas.
              1. +1
                30 June 2018 20: 02
                This is so, but they themselves do not know where it can fly.
                1. +1
                  30 June 2018 20: 05
                  Quote: cniza
                  where they can fly, they themselves do not know.

                  In a peaceful cargo ship under the Turkish flag. belay
                  1. +1
                    30 June 2018 20: 53
                    I’m afraid that you may be right and God forbid a passenger airliner, they have enough mind.
        5. +1
          30 June 2018 19: 48
          Quote: cniza
          It’s nothing, but it’s a serious weapon and how horses will use it ... it won’t get any easier, you can expect everything from them, even if there are only a few pieces.

          They have a rocket, there’s - it’s called a “muzzle”.
          1. +5
            30 June 2018 20: 02
            Like FAU-2, a weapon of retaliation smile It is evident that they will not wait for the Americans to transfer these genes of military thought to their KB.
        6. 0
          30 June 2018 20: 52
          I think they can do it. And not only that. They have a school and technology.
          But India or China have some technology. But schools are not.
          But they will not apply.
    2. +2
      30 June 2018 19: 54
      Quote: Tusv
      According to Badrak

      Chet is not sure that the name was spelled correctly. Yuzhmash can still. Probably?

      Either the Peon, or the Bardak.
    3. +2
      30 June 2018 23: 21
      Quote: Tusv
      Chet is not sure that the name was spelled correctly. Yuzhmash can still. Probably?

      ========
      This is still "flowers" !!!! In our country, recently another corruption scandal happened .... One "left construction firm" submitted "false documents" to the tender, including on the supposedly official form "- in the" cap "instead of" Ukraine "- it was written (attention !!!):"Урcain"!!!!! fool
      And you here about Badrak !!!! (Vo! Even the comp - the word "underlines" as "wrong !!! laughing
    4. 0
      1 July 2018 00: 34
      Quote: Tusv
      According to Badrak

      Chet is not sure that the name was spelled correctly. Yuzhmash can still. Probably?

      And the news at VO was late for exactly a month. They drove her out and discussed everything
  2. +6
    30 June 2018 18: 13
    Oh my God!
    How can?
    They have done a vunderväfle more than we, China and the United States combined.
    Judging by the amount, they are made of cardboard. After all, there is no money.
    Someone in the series saw something in 4 of the year?
    1. +3
      30 June 2018 18: 15
      A series of "battle claims" losses ..
      Quote: Machete
      Oh my God!
      How can?
      They have done a vunderväfle more than we, China and the United States combined.
      Judging by the amount, they are made of cardboard. After all, there is no money.
      Someone in the series saw something in 4 of the year?
      1. +3
        30 June 2018 18: 17
        Wow, they will show us.
        That's just the money will be given for production (nobody will) and they will.
    2. +4
      30 June 2018 18: 16
      Quote: Machete
      Someone in the series saw something in 4 of the year?

      Isn't the Bastion "large-scale"? A total of 10 weapons adopted
      1. +6
        30 June 2018 18: 17
        We Armat non-serial runs more.
        1. +1
          30 June 2018 18: 32
          Quote: Machete
          We Armat non-serial runs more.

          What is Armata. Prototypes of the 5th generation and a half dozen fly
          1. +1
            30 June 2018 21: 04
            Today they wrote that they already ordered 12 serial ones. To those non-serial.
      2. +2
        30 June 2018 19: 24
        Quote: Tusv
        Quote: Machete
        Someone in the series saw something in 4 of the year?

        Isn't the Bastion "large-scale"? A total of 10 weapons adopted

        stronghold! the one who screwed up on the tank biathlon!?.
        1. +4
          30 June 2018 19: 30
          Quote: artifact
          stronghold! the one who screwed up on the tank biathlon!?.

          They say that Oplot was blundered in Pakistan and Thailand, and he participated in TB drinks
          1. 0
            30 June 2018 20: 09
            Quote: Tusv
            Quote: artifact
            stronghold! the one who screwed up on the tank biathlon!?.

            They say that Oplot was blundered in Pakistan and Thailand, and he participated in TB drinks

            You can say so, since the last place took. somewhere there was a video (I don’t know exactly with TB or not, there the Oplot tankers spoke specifically about the miracle of Ukrainian tank building)
            1. +4
              30 June 2018 21: 12
              You can say so, since the last place took. somewhere there was a video (I don’t know exactly with TB or not, there the Oplot tankers spoke specifically about the miracle of Ukrainian tank building)

              In fact, FSE is simple. The gun is Romanian. And where did you see the Romanian gun in the leaders? There are not many metallurgists in the world who are responsible for the quality of the gun. By the way, Americans are not in these numbers. bully
  3. +4
    30 June 2018 18: 13
    Can you be afraid to start now? Lord, if he wants to punish, it takes away his mind
    1. +3
      30 June 2018 18: 22
      Quote: 210ox
      Can you be afraid to start now? Lord, if he wants to punish, it takes away his mind

      Let it be created on the fragments of the USSR, we have all such weapons, neither we nor they really did anything new. And even if it is a Neptune with a homing head from the S-200, it does not become less dangerous from this. They do. what they can. The only question is. Will they overpower the series?
      1. +4
        30 June 2018 18: 32
        Of course, any weapon remains a weapon. About anything new with us, you certainly got excited ..
        Quote: lis-ik
        Quote: 210ox
        Can you be afraid to start now? Lord, if he wants to punish, it takes away his mind

        Let it be created on the fragments of the USSR, we have all such weapons, neither we nor they really did anything new. And even if it is a Neptune with a homing head from the S-200, it does not become less dangerous from this. They do. what they can. The only question is. Will they overpower the series?
        1. +2
          30 June 2018 18: 37
          Give an example. Only chur. let it really be new.
          1. +6
            30 June 2018 18: 46
            “Karakurt” and “Ash” at sea, “Su57 in the sky, on the land of Kurgan” .. So offhand. I chose Russian developments in recent years. Or for you something new that was developed over the course of five years and put into the army ? So this does not happen in the modern world ..
            Quote: lis-ik
            Give an example. Only chur. let it really be new.
            1. 0
              30 June 2018 18: 52
              More Dagger and Vanguard
            2. +2
              30 June 2018 18: 52
              Quote: 210ox
              “Karakurt” and “Ash” at sea, “Su57 in the sky, on the land of Kurgan” .. So offhand. I chose Russian developments in recent years. Or for you something new that was developed over the course of five years and put into the army ? So this does not happen in the modern world ..
              Quote: lis-ik
              Give an example. Only chur. let it really be new.

              This is not only Russian developments, good. that you did not give bullshit voiced by Putin as an example, there really is nothing Russian there. But there are finished developments of the USSR, and even then the question is, did they bring it? That. what you listed, just put analogues, that. what happened before and you will understand, there is nothing new. Then they recently tried to prove to me that the Su-34 is a fundamentally new machine on its glider. And about the Su-57, dissemble, have fundamentally new engines appeared? And do not talk about the stages. We all perfectly understand that in reality it’s just squeezing out of the incompressible.
              1. +4
                30 June 2018 19: 01
                Give an example of a truly "new" weapon..Foreign.F35 not to offer.
                Quote: lis-ik
                Quote: 210ox
                “Karakurt” and “Ash” at sea, “Su57 in the sky, on the land of Kurgan” .. So offhand. I chose Russian developments in recent years. Or for you something new that was developed over the course of five years and put into the army ? So this does not happen in the modern world ..
                Quote: lis-ik
                Give an example. Only chur. let it really be new.

                This is not only Russian developments, good. that you did not give bullshit voiced by Putin as an example, there really is nothing Russian there. But there are finished developments of the USSR, and even then the question is, did they bring it? That. what you listed, just put analogues, that. what happened before and you will understand, there is nothing new. Then they recently tried to prove to me that the Su-34 is a fundamentally new machine on its glider. And about the Su-57, dissemble, have fundamentally new engines appeared? And do not talk about the stages. We all perfectly understand that in reality it’s just squeezing out of the incompressible.
                1. +2
                  30 June 2018 19: 14
                  Ueli, there is also continuity, but we are talking about the Russian Federation. Nothing REALLY new. WHERE are the rabid grandmas from the oil industry going? I am silent about the social network. Where is the rest?
                  1. +2
                    30 June 2018 19: 27
                    The rest? Well, for this to the Kremlin .. I can also ask a similar question. Why and where and why. Although I can partially answer. Actually, the sanctions are in effect, and therefore the lack of funds and their inefficient use.
                    Quote: lis-ik
                    Ueli, there is also continuity, but we are talking about the Russian Federation. Nothing REALLY new. WHERE are the rabid grandmas from the oil industry going? I am silent about the social network. Where is the rest?
                    1. +1
                      30 June 2018 19: 35
                      Quote: 210ox
                      The rest? Well, for this to the Kremlin .. I can also ask a similar question. Why and where and why. Although I can partially answer. Actually, the sanctions are in effect, and therefore the lack of funds and their inefficient use.
                      Quote: lis-ik
                      Ueli, there is also continuity, but we are talking about the Russian Federation. Nothing REALLY new. WHERE are the rabid grandmas from the oil industry going? I am silent about the social network. Where is the rest?

                      Yes, I don’t want to transfer everything to the Kremlin, why. everything is clear there. Where is the school, where is the preparation and really continuity? Did she sink into the summer? No, there are people who, with proper funding, are ready to make a breakthrough. Just pay. There are examples. My brother, for example, has been creating new engines for BMW with his own money, for many years and quite successfully, they come from all over Russia for engine tuning (turboing, new programs, etc.), this is all with their own money, naturally, clients then pay but it’s still more of a hobby. Why did I give this example. brother is also one of the few graduates of the old, Soviet school of designers and engineers, of whom there are already not many, still browsing literature and corresponded with colleagues. There are already few of them. What will happen next?
                      1. +1
                        30 June 2018 22: 06
                        Quote: lis-ik
                        Quote: 210ox
                        The rest? Well, for this to the Kremlin .. I can also ask a similar question. Why and where and why. Although I can partially answer. Actually, the sanctions are in effect, and therefore the lack of funds and their inefficient use.
                        Quote: lis-ik
                        Ueli, there is also continuity, but we are talking about the Russian Federation. Nothing REALLY new. WHERE are the rabid grandmas from the oil industry going? I am silent about the social network. Where is the rest?

                        Yes, I don’t want to transfer everything to the Kremlin, why. everything is clear there. Where is the school, where is the preparation and really continuity? Did she sink into the summer? No, there are people who, with proper funding, are ready to make a breakthrough. Just pay. There are examples. My brother, for example, has been creating new engines for BMW with his own money, for many years and quite successfully, they come from all over Russia for engine tuning (turboing, new programs, etc.), this is all with their own money, naturally, clients then pay but it’s still more of a hobby. Why did I give this example. brother is also one of the few graduates of the old, Soviet school of designers and engineers, of whom there are already not many, still browsing literature and corresponded with colleagues. There are already few of them. What will happen next?

                        Something ... Nothing. Everything has already disappeared. All the money was gone folk in London and offshore. Pensions have disappeared.
                        And we all disappeared ...
                        crying
                      2. +2
                        1 July 2018 02: 46
                        Quote: lis-ik
                        My brother, for example, has been creating new engines for BMW with his own money, for many years and quite successfully, they come from all over Russia for engine tuning (turbocharging, new programs, etc.


                        i.e. brother TUNING BMW engines it's him CREATES NEW engines, and the industry doing Armata, 5th generation aircraft and everything else, is it all bullshit and modernization?
                        cool ...
              2. +8
                30 June 2018 19: 26
                Fundamentally new - what is it? Photon engine? And when was the analogue of "Karakurt" in service in the USSR? And the Su-34 - all over the world is admired, and you - the secretion of bile? Well, figs with ... Have an opinion. Alas, not too competent.
                1. +3
                  30 June 2018 19: 44
                  Quote: Mountain Shooter
                  Fundamentally new - what is it? Photon engine? And when was the analogue of "Karakurt" in service in the USSR? And the Su-34 - all over the world is admired, and you - the secretion of bile? Well, figs with ... Have an opinion. Alas, not too competent.

                  You are really a "patriot", as you write in your profile. I also admire the SU-34, but I understand that it is still based on the SU-27, and however much you would like a fundamentally new one, there is nothing there, it's just replacing the old car with a modernized one.
                  1. +6
                    30 June 2018 19: 47
                    Quote: lis-ik
                    there’s nothing fundamentally new there

                    Dear, you wrote above about "fundamentally new engines" ...
                    And the wheel to you new, I never wanted to invent, by chance?
                    1. +4
                      30 June 2018 19: 57
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Quote: lis-ik
                      there’s nothing fundamentally new there

                      Dear, you wrote above about "fundamentally new engines" ...
                      And the wheel to you new, I never wanted to invent, by chance?


                      Novel. Respected. Well, not I tryndel about fundamentally new "physical" principles? Who pulled the language?
                      1. +3
                        30 June 2018 19: 58
                        Quote: lis-ik
                        Well, not I tryndel about fundamentally new "physical" principles?

                        And someone tryndel? I missed this moment somehow ... feel
                        Okay. We assume that I misunderstood you.
                        I remove the question "about the wheel" laughing
                        PS: by the way - by searching the page - I did not find any mention of "new physical" earlier than yours request
                  2. 0
                    1 July 2018 03: 25
                    And I do not admire the Su-34. This is a very unsuccessful machine that does not even know what Su-24-M * / Hephaestus can do.
                    Indistinct destination, against the background of attack aircraft Su-3 *, attack aircraft Su-25, Tu-22M3 - superfluous. Pogosyanovskaya belching.

                    False PR. The cynicism of lies rolls over. Su-24s are operating from Georgia from Syria - they are sucking in Su-34s, which were not
                2. 0
                  1 July 2018 03: 32
                  Su-34 is a booster (deceitfully booster! Fighting Su-24, presented in the news of Su-34) unsuccessful shit, even worse than the old man Su-24, about the admiration of the world, biomass with a diluted zombie brain I remind you that if our enemies praise us, we do all wrong.
              3. -1
                30 June 2018 19: 47
                I apologize and the bullshit voiced by Putin is the Dagger and the Vanguard? Are you sure you live in Russia?
                1. +3
                  30 June 2018 20: 16
                  Quote: Fungus
                  I apologize and the bullshit voiced by Putin is the Dagger and the Vanguard? Are you sure you live in Russia?

                  Avangard is a former Soviet development Albatross. About "Dagger" did not write only the lazy. You definitely lived in the USSR? Now knowledgeable people will come from work and support me!
                  1. 0
                    30 June 2018 20: 31
                    So why is this bullshit? Who else has these missiles? Is not Russia the assignee of the USSR?
                    1. +2
                      30 June 2018 20: 39
                      Quote: Fungus
                      So why is this bullshit? Who else has these missiles? Is not Russia the assignee of the USSR?

                      We are talking about the Russian Federation. And the Russian Federation has only those frames that are. And the main trouble is that a shift is not expected.
                      1. +2
                        30 June 2018 22: 44
                        Quote: lis-ik
                        And the main trouble is that a shift is not expected.

                        Of the visitors to VO? Right! Thank God Russia is not only one of them.
                    2. 0
                      30 June 2018 22: 58
                      Yes, anything, not good feces, will be the legal successor of the USSR, but with AH they turn with narrow eyes.
                    3. 0
                      1 July 2018 03: 34
                      The exit from the topic is a sign of a drain. The thesis was - principled in the Russian Federation, which is not from the USSR. Answer: nothing.

                      "And who else" - this is a woman's "I tell you about Thomas, and you about Yerema"
              4. +1
                1 July 2018 02: 55
                Quote: lis-ik
                This is not only Russian developments, good. that you did not give bullshit voiced by Putin as an example, there really is nothing Russian there. But there are finished developments of the USSR, and even then the question is, did they bring it?

                First, Russia is strictly legally the legal successor of the USSR.
                Secondly, both two or two projects with NRE have been tested (in terms of NRE). The answer to questions of the form: Where? and when? It was voiced almost officially. The operating principles of the new laser are also exactly known, right up to the collection of works of one interesting conference for young specialists. Do you have any other questions?
                1. 0
                  1 July 2018 03: 36
                  "Firstly, Russia is strictly legal successor of the USSR."

                  Another demagogue merging with the thesis of the branch. Volpros was - WHAT'S NEW WITH THE CLICK OF YELTSINOIDS DEVELOPED, which is not from the USSR?

                  It is indicated in the training manual so move out?
                  1. +1
                    1 July 2018 04: 44
                    Quote: Left Shot
                    "Firstly, Russia is strictly legal successor of the USSR."

                    Another demagogue merging with the thesis of the branch. Volpros was - WHAT'S NEW WITH THE CLICK OF YELTSINOIDS DEVELOPED, which is not from the USSR?

                    It is indicated in the training manual so move out?

                    How would you explain more simply. In short, work on lasers (masers) was carried out in the USSR. Slender and consistent theories were developed - i.e. scientific base. The ability to implement, test the installation appeared (I do not exclude that again) only now - in recent years.
                    1. 0
                      2 July 2018 00: 16
                      That is, no. I knew
                      1. 0
                        2 July 2018 02: 22
                        Yes, you just do not worry very much. If you want, I will work a little and send you a report specifically on a laser with a tricky pumping, of course - the print version. For the full text, you just need an admission, the presence of which is not obvious to me.

                        Total - if necessary, write by internal mail.
          2. +3
            30 June 2018 19: 40
            Quote: lis-ik
            Give an example. Only chur. let it really be new.

            after the invention of gunpowder, the engine of internal combustion and curbing nuclear energy there isn’t anything new at all, everything is just an improvement on a previously invented
      2. +1
        30 June 2018 19: 33
        Quote: lis-ik
        Quote: 210ox
        Can you be afraid to start now? Lord, if he wants to punish, it takes away his mind

        Let it be created on the fragments of the USSR, we have all such weapons, neither we nor they really did anything new. And even if it is a Neptune with a homing head from the S-200, it does not become less dangerous from this. They do. what they can. The only question is. Will they overpower the series?

        hypersonic also came from the USSR. and if so - why does ukrovermaht have no such result?
      3. +3
        30 June 2018 19: 33
        Let it be created on the fragments of the USSR, we have all such weapons, neither we nor they really did anything new. And even if it’s Neptune with a homing head from the S-200, it does not become less dangerous from this

        Well, as you say, they didn’t do it, the S-200’s guidance head is semi-active, requiring target illumination. For missile anti-ship missiles, such a solution is obviously not appropriate. In addition, the dimensions of the S-200 head seem to me more than the X-35. And yet with something they will equip these missiles, so they did something.
        1. +2
          30 June 2018 19: 50
          Quote: alexmach
          Let it be created on the fragments of the USSR, we have all such weapons, neither we nor they really did anything new. And even if it’s Neptune with a homing head from the S-200, it does not become less dangerous from this

          Well, as you say, they didn’t do it, the S-200’s guidance head is semi-active, requiring target illumination. For missile anti-ship missiles, such a solution is obviously not appropriate. In addition, the dimensions of the S-200 head seem to me more than the X-35. And yet with something they will equip these missiles, so they did something.

          And I'm trying to prove literally that the earth is round. Unfortunately for the "stubborn" it does not matter. I myself do not have a better opinion about Ukrainians, however, like the "successes" of my native military-industrial complex, which gives out what I have gained for my own !!! I personally worked in the defense design bureau in the 90s and I know how everything was done and what proportion of cooperation there was. So let's finish the banter about the moron Ukrainians!
          1. +2
            30 June 2018 20: 01
            You ragul. You’re very angry. No need to mow.
            1. +4
              30 June 2018 20: 07
              It’s hot to him, and here Ostap suffered.
            2. +1
              30 June 2018 21: 11
              Quote: Fungus
              You ragul. You’re very angry. No need to mow.

              You talking to me ? Did Ragul call me? You serve with mine, and then work a stuffed animal in Russia!
            3. 0
              1 July 2018 03: 37
              I am Russian from Russia. I completely agree with him. And I would kill bots with my own hands
          2. NKT
            +2
            30 June 2018 20: 25
            The earth is not round at all))
    2. +1
      30 June 2018 20: 22
      That's for sure! Obviously not from a great mind, the Russians had such an exuberant neighbor right next to them ...
  4. +7
    30 June 2018 18: 14
    As I understood from the article, this "most powerful" Ukrainian missile, another Soviet development. Well, Ukraine, well, the inventor laughing
    1. +2
      30 June 2018 18: 38
      Quote: solzh
      As I understood from the article, this "most powerful" Ukrainian missile, another Soviet development. Well, Ukraine, well, the inventor laughing

      . They have everything Soviet quickly turns into Ukrainian!
  5. +5
    30 June 2018 18: 15
    In China, they say, you can’t pull the sleeping tiger by the whiskers! These and .... really think that something will help them in the event of a serious conflict?! How long will a cruise missile fly from Crimea, for example, in Rad?! Well, no more than 6-7 minutes. Iskander is even faster. What are they doing ?!
    1. +4
      30 June 2018 18: 29
      In China they say, you can’t pull the sleeping tiger by the mustache!

      Even in tolerant Europe they say - you can’t climb into a sleeping dragon in his underpants Yes
      They didn’t eat the Chinese, at least they would listen to the Europeans. What are they achieving ?! recourse
    2. +1
      30 June 2018 18: 49
      I wonder what kind of KR can get Kiev in 6 minutes from the Crimea ?. In a straight line there is 550 km. This is 1,5 km / s. At the moment, no one has launched such a series of CDs. I apologize in advance for getting in, I just love objectivity.
      1. +1
        30 June 2018 19: 55
        If the ICBM of America needs 30 minutes, then why not? 550 km not 10 000 km ...
        1. 0
          30 June 2018 20: 07
          ICBM, yes, maybe, but the winged ones did not learn to fly so fast, Iskander or aeroballistic yes, there are no questions.
  6. +2
    30 June 2018 18: 24
    Engine power of this child prodigy 100500 Svidomo farts
  7. +4
    30 June 2018 18: 27
    It turns out that Ukrainians are terrible great-power chauvinists. Give them a power with all the attributes of a great one, missiles, economy, ideology. But they had such a country and it was called the USSR.
  8. +2
    30 June 2018 18: 30
    When the number of these breakthroughs of ukroVPK will be measured in the troops by at least dozens, then there will be a topic for serious discussion. In the meantime, these are just prototypes stuck together on the knee. And most likely they will remain so due to the lack of pennies for mass production. And the words of Ukrainian commentators about the "good results" - this is just a concussion in populist fervor.
  9. +2
    30 June 2018 18: 31
    In Ukraine, they announced the creation of another "most powerful, causing serious concern to Russia" missile. --- Oh, something friends, I had a concern, something I was very upset! crying I'll go drink with grief, or something! wassat
    1. +3
      30 June 2018 19: 15
      Again we were out of luck. angry
      We wanted to attack them on July 1, and again they came up with a new powerful rocket angry And it’s always like that, just that - they immediately invent powerful new missiles (ed. Text-causing serious concern for Russia) invent belay Byad Yes
      1. +1
        30 June 2018 23: 06
        we did not announce the date of 01. year. and they immediately coward in his pants. and there it’s baked. here the dates are born)))
  10. 0
    30 June 2018 18: 35
    Badrak said that a missile “flying 1500 km” will appear soon

    It is possible that it will fly (after all, the Sumerians once built rockets), but where it gets is a question. Yes, and from what carrier are they going to launch, from inflatable boats, or what?
  11. +1
    30 June 2018 18: 40
    Recalls these. Wunderwaffles in February - May from Goebbels. Who is bigger.
  12. +1
    30 June 2018 18: 41
    Quote: Magic Archer
    How long will a cruise missile fly from Crimea, for example, in a rad ?!

    about an hour
    1. +1
      30 June 2018 18: 52
      I don’t get it. the same ax. from the Crimea. in a happy hour?
      1. +1
        30 June 2018 20: 00
        The ax is faster. Tomogawk ..... Well, they themselves understood. On it you dig it out ....
  13. 0
    30 June 2018 18: 47
    I would not be surprised if the descendants of the Sumerians managed to invent a catapult, charge it with Chinese firecrackers and proudly call it "the most powerful anti-ship missiles."
  14. +2
    30 June 2018 18: 55
    Every month there is something new, I’m just glad for them, this is efficiency. laughing
    1. +1
      30 June 2018 19: 30
      Quote: Laksamana Besar
      Every month there is something new, I’m just glad for them, this is efficiency. laughing

      In the words of one of my acquaintances from an independent - "I am so!" lol
  15. +5
    30 June 2018 19: 52
    Scha again some seiner or ship will drown
  16. 0
    30 June 2018 19: 55
    In Kiev, announced the creation of the next "most powerful" rocket


    Here one would not miss the moment when they actually have nuclear weapons.
  17. +1
    30 June 2018 20: 07
    Quote: lis-ik
    Quote: 210ox
    “Karakurt” and “Ash” at sea, “Su57 in the sky, on the land of Kurgan” .. So offhand. I chose Russian developments in recent years. Or for you something new that was developed over the course of five years and put into the army ? So this does not happen in the modern world ..
    Quote: lis-ik
    Give an example. Only chur. let it really be new.

    This is not only Russian developments, good. that you did not give bullshit voiced by Putin as an example, there really is nothing Russian there. But there are finished developments of the USSR, and even then the question is, did they bring it? That. what you listed, just put analogues, that. what happened before and you will understand, there is nothing new. Then they recently tried to prove to me that the Su-34 is a fundamentally new machine on its glider. And about the Su-57, dissemble, have fundamentally new engines appeared? And do not talk about the stages. We all perfectly understand that in reality it’s just squeezing out of the incompressible.

    Bullshit, voiced by the faceless Internet user to shout, sounds much more believable. Do you know that nothing fundamentally new is created in the world apart from previous developments, that the “pedigree” of all technology can be traced back many decades?
  18. +1
    30 June 2018 20: 12
    Golovan Jack,
    The novel is from Putin’s speech.
    1. +2
      30 June 2018 20: 26
      Quote: lis-ik
      this is from Putin's speech

      It?
      Of great, if not decisive, significance in determining the nature of the armed struggle will be the military capabilities of countries in outer space, in the field of information warfare, primarily in cyberspace. And in the more distant future - the creation of weapons based on new physical principles (radiation, geophysical, wave, gene, psychophysical, etc.). All this will make it possible, along with nuclear weapons, to obtain qualitatively new tools for achieving political and strategic goals.

      Duc ... as far as I understand, at the moment this is not applicable. As it follows from the very "speech" ...
  19. +5
    30 June 2018 20: 30
    Every day an article proving that Ukraine cannot. Yesterday the tank couldn’t, today it cannot be a rocket. It seems that someone calms himself. The main problem of Ukraine is the lack of a powerful animation studio. Therefore, there is no new weapons.
    1. +1
      1 July 2018 16: 06
      Quote: Curious
      The main problem of Ukraine is the lack of a powerful animation studio. Therefore, there is no new weapons.

      why? There is, but she is busy with children's cartoons for children (such as Ruslan and Lyudmila).
      Maybe the President does not have a phone ... or the Ukrainian Peskov ...
      It’s better to let them calm down - everything is ruined, nothing is created.
      All drank, cut.
  20. +2
    30 June 2018 20: 37
    In addition, Badrak said that a missile “flying 1500 km” would soon appear.

    The only question is how interesting are the “masters" of Ukraine to the appearance of these missiles? I don’t think that they are interested in the emergence of a new type of weapon in Ukraine, and even more so with such performance characteristics, because by tradition, the rocket engines, and the rocket itself, can come up somewhere in North Korea.
    So the Mess becomes a mess, not an opportunity !!
  21. 0
    30 June 2018 20: 48
    Quote: Conductor
    I don’t get it. the same ax. from the Crimea. in a happy hour?

    How much? distance of about 600 km. The marching flight speed of the same "Caliber is from 180 to 240 m / s. That is, practically from about 38 to 51 minutes (the second at cruising speed)
    1. 0
      30 June 2018 23: 11
      so then the caliber of u, but in Brovary it fell and then we DO NOT TERE))) itself fell into
  22. +1
    30 June 2018 21: 04
    Quote: artifact
    Quote: Tusv
    Quote: Machete
    Someone in the series saw something in 4 of the year?

    Isn't the Bastion "large-scale"? A total of 10 weapons adopted

    stronghold! the one who screwed up on the tank biathlon!?.

    Bastion crap? Yes, there is one. But ... it is so brown.
  23. +2
    1 July 2018 00: 32
    Quote: lis-ik
    You talking to me ? Did Ragul call me? You serve with mine, and then work a stuffed animal in Russia!
    Reply Quote Complaint lis-ik

    And you explain what country you serve. And you are a military or engineer, or even in the design bureau worked and serve. And there are a lot of new weapons, and these are not only planes, tanks and missiles, but also, for example, electronic warfare systems and young people, scientists, a designer, too, no matter how you would like the opposite. And continue to serve YOUR country, and we will live and work in our Russia. And hello to your powders, fat and so forth.
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  25. 0
    1 July 2018 03: 46
    ... On which Petya will dump from Ukraine.
  26. 0
    1 July 2018 04: 22
    They make a fool of the people !!! -I wonder how many people believe in this ??? the main why!? 48 hours and what missiles can be.
  27. 0
    1 July 2018 04: 47
    Quote: forester
    Quote: cniza
    It’s nothing, but it’s a serious weapon and how horses will use it ... it won’t get any easier, you can expect everything from them, even if there are only a few pieces.

    They have a rocket, there’s - it’s called a “muzzle”.

    Rather, a "dupa"
  28. 0
    1 July 2018 07: 45
    At this pace, they will soon create a Death Star!)
  29. +1
    1 July 2018 09: 11
    Ukraine inherited a "rich inheritance" from the USSR ... As long as Russia was poisoned and tried to fill with blood, they could rise seriously! There Belarus still retained the main production of the former USSR and liquefied (although in comparison with Ukraine there the "cat wept" ..
    And now attempts are made to either restore "powerful missiles", etc. funny sound .. Tanks and those no ha ha ha
    Kharkov Tank Plant (which created the best T-34 tank) All the curtain .. crying
    Prepare Kiev for surrender, nothing is forgotten, nobody is forgotten .. Did your Anglo-Saxons help you? That's about it will be a conversation about Israel, too .. wassat
    1. 0
      1 July 2018 16: 09
      Quote: Skuns
      Prepare Kiev for surrender, nothing is forgotten, nobody is forgotten

      we don’t remember where the keys were taken ... laughing
      Come and get it!
  30. 0
    1 July 2018 11: 44
    Poroshenko let them charge into the catapult, of course he’s not a ship, but shit will smear it for sure.
  31. +2
    1 July 2018 12: 15
    Quote: lis-ik
    Avangard is a former Soviet development Albatross.

    Not. Albatross is a completely different development. "Aangard" was created as part of the Scientific Research Institute "Shlyambur"

    Quote: Shot from the left
    The exit from the topic is a sign of a drain. The thesis was - principled in the Russian Federation, which is not from the USSR. Answer: nothing.


    I try not to get into such a srach, but sometimes they force me. What does the first fundamentally new mean? Can someone invent something fundamentally new at the present time? The correct answer is NOBODY. You won’t make a tank fundamentally new without changing a caterpillar mover for a magnetic cushion (or air), without changing a multi-fuel diesel and turbine for a nuclear reactor, without changing a gun that uses the energy of combustion of gunpowder for electromagnetic. Then it will be possible to say that the tank is fundamentally new.

    To say that everything that is being created in Russia now has the achievements of the USSR is stupid.
    Let’s take it at least offhand. I won’t touch the gunner, I’m poorly versed in it, as well as the topic of electronic warfare, so we’ll dwell on something more serious.

    1. Artillery. There are few "breakthroughs", but some of the systems that were created were created precisely in Russia, and their legs do not grow from the USSR. Take the same system 2А61 and smaller gun systems with an index М. Designed and made exclusively in Russia.

    2. Armored vehicles. Already stuck on the teeth, but nonetheless - tank on the platform "Armata", BMP and armored personnel carriers "Kurganets" and "Boomerang". According to the latter, you can’t say that they have roots in the USSR, because they differ in layout and “appearance” from the BMP series, armored personnel carriers (such as BTR-60/70/80)

    3. Fleet.
    Underwater. Missile boat project "Northwind". Work on them has already begun in Russia. Also boats of the "Ash" project.
    Surface. All modern missile ships of all projects, especially the Buyan-M and Karakurt class, were created in Russia

    4. Aviation. All work on the SU-57 machine has already begun in Russia, as well as on MIGovsky projects 1.44. Or do you think that the work that is currently being done on the subject of PAK YES is a Soviet development ???

    5. Rocket technology. Offhand the following strategic complexes. "Frontier", "Vanguard", "Sarmat", "Mace"
    Purely Russian development. I didn’t specifically mention Yars, which is essentially a further modernization of missiles under the theme of Universal (Topol-M), Dagger, so that no one would say that Iskander was the basis and didn’t mention Iskander, not to be told that Oka-U and other developments of the Kolomna people are at the core.
    Is it not fundamentally developed in Russia ???

    Quote: NKT
    The earth is not round at all))

    I guess, yes. Not a ball, but a geoid
    1. 0
      2 July 2018 05: 12
      Already a piece of lies hooked, not really looking closely. T-50 began to be developed in the USSR. Armata has been developed for 40 years ... will you count it yourself? Northwind began to be designed LATE 1980s!
      Ash - 40 years of development!

      We throw out the training manual. Here is such bullshit from a zombie creature.
  32. -1
    1 July 2018 15: 46
    kitamo, yes, yes, garage kalkozing of units with screwing on turrets and replacing camshafts is considered to be difficult engineering and production by some)))) given that these so-called engineers do not carry out any calculations, but they do everything without exception by typing and using natural tests and tests, this is the level Engineering and development about a century ago, if not more. In childhood, I also designed it in an airplane modeling circle))).
    the guys lagged behind life and forever - now the development is no problem with it - all the problems in the organization of production - a lot of dough is needed for this matter. It’s the same with the armature and with all the nishtyak of which it stands like the su 57 - there’s practically nothing old there — because it’s simply impossible to produce the old there and it won’t be lying around and equipped with modern equipment technology. Therefore, the whole difficulty lies in the development of technological chains for the production of spare parts and equipment - that is, they can only be done under laboratory conditions, and the difficulty is precisely in bringing technologies and adapting them to the factory and factory production - that is, to increase repeatability, quality, and reduce the cost of the final product.
  33. 0
    2 July 2018 05: 16
    asv363,
    I'm not worried ... run a training manual to update the older
  34. +1
    2 July 2018 10: 44
    Do not throw accusations of lies, especially since I wrote in black and white
    Quote: Old26
    Let’s take it at least offhand.

    I hope you understand the term offhand? I can be accused of inaccuracy, but not a lie. However, I'm sorry, and you have a "snout in the cannon", making statements with aplomb you yourself, I apologize "lohana". However, no one is telling you - LEARN MATCH. You start flaunting expressions "PUT OUT OF A METHOD", which is most often applied to those who write "from there" and most often trolling. You have already declared a "training manual" for two. Believe me, this will not add weight to you. Inaccuracies and even ignorance of something can be forgiven on the resource, but more often than not they do not forgive aplomb in statements. Anyway. Let's move on to your “accusing” me of lying. The points

    1.
    Quote: Left Shot
    Already a piece of lies hooked, not really looking closely. T-50 began to be developed in the USSR.

    What you write not true. As for the history of the issue, at the end of 1979 the program was adopted "I-90" (fighter-90). As part of this program, at the beginning of 81 years TsAGI and specialized institutes
    made recommendations in this area. First of all, it was understood that the new car would have a UTKA aerodynamic design. In 1983, a comprehensive targeted program was adopted (in 1986, a resolution of the Council of Ministers on its implementation was issued). In 1987, Mikoyan’s design bureau defended the advance project, and in 1991, a draft design for an airplane that received the index 1.42. In 1997, the prototype of the Sukhoi Design Bureau machine, created on C-37 and named SU-47 "Golden Eagle" with reverse sweep wing. In 1999, Mikoyan residents introduced their modernized car 1.44.

    But the work on the program And-21That is, 21st Century Fighter were started in the late 90s. At the beginning of 2001, a tender was announced in which three KB cars took part. Mikoyan, Sukhoi, and Yakovlev. In the spring of 2002, the T-50 KB Sukhoi was recognized as the winner of the competition. As you see, there is no mention of any USSR here.

    2.
    Quote: Left Shot
    Armata has been developed for 40 years ... will you count it yourself? .

    And this is not true. Until about 2008-2010, the tank was developed under the theme "Improvement-88". He got the name "195 Object" or T-95. However, work on it was stopped at the end of the zero years and approximately in 2008-2010, work began on the tank T-14 Armata.

    3.
    Quote: Left Shot
    Boreas began to be designed at the end of the 1980s !. Ash - 40 years of development!

    What I can agree with you that the work on the boats "Ash" and "Borey" were started in the Soviet Union. Yes, the contract for the development of the Project 885 boat, or rather the implementation of the design and development work on the topic “Project 885”, was started at the end of 86. The technical project was completed in 87. Then the leapfrog began. The boat was redesigned first under Onyx, then under Onyx and Pomegranate. Design was completed in 1991. How the boats were different before and after redesigning, I don’t know, but in any case, 1986 years have passed since the conclusion of the contract for the R&D, and this 32 but not 40 years of development, as you say.

    Works on the Borey projects (and at least 2 of them are known - the project 955 "Northwind-1" и 935 "Northwind-2" were started in 1985. Work on Borey-2 was curtailed, and Borey-1 underwent numerous changes. It was redesigned three times.
    First, under the complex D-31then in October 89 redesigned for the complex D-19 UTTH "Bark" (the technical project was ready in January 1990). Then the boat was redesigned again for the complex D-30 "Mace"

    So claims of inaccuracy, but by no means a liethat these boats began to be designed not in Russia, but in the USSR I accept. Although how and how the Borei with the D-31 differed, I don’t know from the Borea with the D-19 UTTX from the Borei with the Mace, but given the mass-dimensional characteristics of the D-19 UTTX, it is probably very strong. And in fact they were different boats. But the theme of "Northwind" was actually discovered in the USSR.
  35. 0
    2 July 2018 16: 54
    Gathered like Bandera on the Maidan:
    - Glory to Ukraine!
    - Glory to the heroes!
    - Ukrainians !!! Are we a great people?
    - Yes it is!!!
    “Then why don't we have a nuclear missile?”
    - Well ... Let's build.
    They cut down the largest fir, hollowed out a core with axes, prepared gunpowder according to old Chinese recipes, beat it, nailed a cork, and removed the wick.
    - Where do we run it?
    - How "where"? !! To Moscow !!!
    They wrote on the rocket “To Moscow”, all gathered in a crowd, set fire to the wick ...
    YY YI --- KA-AA - AAK ... SHARAHNULO! ... The scribe to everyone: smoke, soot, almost killed everyone. The rest are lying in pieces ... The centurion, without a foot, without an arm, looks around and joyfully says:
    - Well, not what then ... Imagine what's going on in Moscow ..

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