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June 30 is the anniversary of the end of check privatization in the RF. Weekend reading

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30 June 1994 was a “landmark” event in Russia. The best economic minds of the time signed the completion of the so-called voucher (check) privatization. Considering the fact with which pomp the idea of ​​voucherization of the country was presented (with the notorious two Volga for one privatization check), 30 June could easily make a “public holiday” - a holiday of those who through the 150 made millions of citizens huge country.


June 30 is the anniversary of the end of check privatization in the RF. Weekend reading


One of the “achievements” of check privatization then was the denationalization of hundreds of state-owned enterprises throughout the country. Moreover, the addition was as follows: the transfer of the state-owned enterprise to private hands guarantees a more efficient management of personnel and assets of the enterprise. “The owner in any case will do better than the state bureaucracy”, is the slogan of that time.

Millions of Russians believed. Some enterprises, becoming private, really showed efficiency, economic growth. But, unfortunately, this is only a small percentage of all those who have gone through a voucher. Many simply disappeared, and their sudden owners are now pondering what country to hide the money from the asset that 24 had so easily gotten a year ago.

Recalling the statements of check privatizations to life:
We state the absence of complaints from the public about the presence of unsold privatization checks.


It was meritorious.

The grimace of voucher privatization was already in the fact that for one privatization check you could get completely different assets in different regions of the country. Thus, residents of the Nizhny Novgorod region, who decided to purchase Gazprom shares in 1994, could have won at least 1,5 thousands of units of these securities for a voucher. Wikipedia claims that the value reached 2 units per privatization check. Today it is about 280 thousand rubles. But Muscovites for one privatization check could not, on average, acquire more than 50 shares of the company (today - about 7000 rubles).

The check privatization allowed those who had a significant influence on labor collectives to rise, since privatization checks were bought from the collectives of entire factories, often for nothing. Privatization checks were bought up on the markets and in underground passages, which turned the very idea of ​​citizens buying assets in the country into profanity.

According to statistics, today about 85% of Russians are in favor of the fact that the check privatization of 1992-1994 was far from fairness and transparency.
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  1. polpot
    polpot 30 June 2018 16: 39
    +16
    The ballad about the field of miracles and the country of fools, in my closet there are vouchers, for memory and science.
    1. dorz
      dorz 30 June 2018 16: 41
      +27
      For the plunder of the country, so no one was held responsible.
      1. alfa19638
        alfa19638 30 June 2018 16: 47
        +32
        and who will bear responsibility, those who plundered and ruined in power
        1. conservative
          conservative 30 June 2018 17: 04
          +2
          there are enough people who say that the 90th time of opportunities and that they say that now what then - now it’s even worse

          1. Logall
            Logall 30 June 2018 18: 18
            +19
            Quote: conservative
            worse now

            Already reached this: fellow
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 30 June 2018 18: 23
              +21
              Chubais-Gaidar-Yeltsin privatization was a direct project of Washington, led from Washington.
              Privatization in Russia / the USSR is a crime of liberals as agents of influence of the USA and the collective West against Our country and the Russian people.
              And all of them are either in power, or are still at large and enjoy life.

              SHOCK THERAPY AND CHUBAIS. Posted on: 21 Jul. 2012

              Vladimir Pavlovich Polevanov (born on November 11 on November 1949) is a Russian statesman and politician, president of the Apsakan mining company, chairman of the Golden Bridge consortium, vice president of the Russian Strategic Resources Fund, former chairman of the Russian State Committee for State Management property, former deputy chairman of the government of the Russian Federation.
              1. Logall
                Logall 30 June 2018 19: 59
                +15
                Tatyana, love , all the absurdity of our life today in one photo (I neigh at the store):
          2. sabakina
            sabakina 30 June 2018 18: 26
            +8
            Quote: conservative
            there are enough people who say that the 90th time of opportunities and that they say that now what then - now it’s even worse
            With a bare backside, but with McDonalds, at Marlborough, and we drink Royall Sevennap!
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 30 June 2018 18: 55
              0
              Quote: sabakina
              Quote: conservative
              there are enough people who say that the 90th time of opportunities and that they say that now what then - now it’s even worse
              With a bare backside, but with McDonalds, at Marlborough, and we drink Royall Sevennap!

              I remember, I remember. But Royall was ashamed to admit I couldn’t try. Somehow everything was dispensed with vodka. And if I was drawn to exotic, then Amaretto, really rare. hi
        2. hrych
          hrych 30 June 2018 17: 13
          +18
          In the 20th century, our state was looted three times. The first time the interventionists and Trotskyists, the second time the Germans, the third time the grandchildren of the Trotskyists. Stalin still shook out the loot from the Trotskyists; he spent industrialization on this money. After the war, received reparations. For the Intervention have not yet paid off, and the grandchildren of the Trotskyists go unpunished. This question will have to be resolved; the ears of the Trotskyists stick out in the Medvedev’s office. The enemies of the people and preferably their offspring (the heirs of the loot) must be isolated. When Stalin shook out tsarist gold, deposited in Swiss banks, in the form of bank accounts, the greedy Trotskyists, even under pain of death, did not always give out account numbers. Stalin did a brilliant thing - he arrested the heirs, even minors, and things went, we carried out industrialization. Of course, the Black Prince and the exported Spanish gold helped. It helped us win the war.
          1. MPN
            MPN 30 June 2018 17: 16
            +16
            Talking Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky and Chabais.
            Zyuganov:
            - In 40 years, Russia will become a rich country.
            Zhirinovsky:
            “It is a pity that we will be gone.”
            Chubais:
            - Not "sorry", but "because" ...
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          2. your1970
            your1970 1 July 2018 13: 42
            +1
            Are you talking about Spanish gold seriously, what did it help to win the Second World War? !! 510 tons ?? !!

            “As for gold reserves, in 1927, according to Stalin’s personal task, the Soyuz Gold trust was set a plan for the next 5 years. They could not disobey or not fulfill this plan. On the instructions of Stalin, the trust was to take first place in gold mining world, while overtaking even the richest mine in South Africa.
            In addition to expanding production and production, the authorities decided to go another way - to replenish the gold reserves of the USSR with the help of their citizens. The authorities decided that at that time people had a lot of gold in their hands, which urgently needed to be taken away and returned to the treasury. To implement the plan, gold was taken from the population in two ways: confiscation and a system of stores that sold goods only for gold. Confiscation brought treasury around 30 tons of gold, But TORGSIN stores brought a huge profit - about 220 tons of gold!
            Gold mining became about a year 320 tons, however, the first place in the world of the USSR was never taken. "
        3. Doliva63
          Doliva63 30 June 2018 18: 35
          +7
          Quote: alfa19638
          and who will bear responsibility, those who plundered and ruined in power

          But we inevitably vote for them.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 1 July 2018 13: 04
            0
            But we inevitably vote for them.

            And if we do it regularly once in a while, then everything suits us and we like the style of their leadership in us and in our interests - after all, Russia is a social state.
      2. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 30 June 2018 16: 55
        +9
        Quote: dorz
        For the plunder of the country, so no one was held responsible.

        For the robbery of the people will be more accurate! After all, we could apply vouchers according to the laws to funds, and where and why those funds were enriched, and we didn’t get crumbs either, that’s the question!
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 30 June 2018 18: 05
          +5
          Quote: Starover_Z
          We could apply the vouchers according to the laws to the funds, and where and why those funds were enriched, and we didn’t get crumbs either, that’s the question!
          Personally, I took the voucher to the Volga fund, which after some time safely (for someone) burst like that trust ....
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 30 June 2018 18: 26
            +6
            Vyacheslav hi
            Personally, I know one example of a completely honest, and at the same time rather successful participation in voucherization:
            1. When there was this privatization, I did not have time for this. From the word at all, because the work is like that.
            2. But then I had a wife. So here she is, being in the suburbs (like me, a sinner ... well, I live here), invested all “our” vouchers (her, my child, mine ... well, I got five more on the way there, and they too) ... here you will be surprised - to Gazprom.
            3. In the Moscow Region then it somehow very successfully happened with Gazprom - there were ... a lot of shares belay
            4. At the moment, my ex (already) has, therefore, a small "capital", something of the order of 10 - 15 kilobax ... Trifle, but nice laughing
            Voooot ...
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 30 June 2018 18: 44
              +8
              Romka, I can only envy on white! In 1994, I was 24 years old. He got his first job since 1986. In 1994, he was already working at the third (teperichny) job. As I later found out, my boss, whom I drove back then, also invested his (family) vouchers in Gazprom. Then he was in the rank of colonel. Until recently, I was thinking where to invest? My family stupidly sold their vouchers. Dad gave over 8 tons They said that in Bui, the train could have been even more expensive to sell. In short, what am I going to. My bastard boss didn’t even suggest where to give this piece of paper. Of course, he was not obliged, but he could have prompted him as a personal driver, because they did not teach me market relations at school or at school. Moreover, I was only 000 .....
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 30 June 2018 18: 52
                +1
                Quote: sabakina
                I can only envy on white

                What I envy - I say the same - I gave my ex ... just a funny story, IMHO.
                In Moscow and the Moscow Region, the number of shares per voucher (for that same Gazprom, yeah) was almost a bit different ... I honestly did not understand - "what was it", and even then it was, honestly .
                Quote: sabakina
                My bastard boss didn’t even suggest where to give this piece of paper

                What a bastard, then a bastard, definitely ...
                Quote: sabakina
                I was only 24

                Well, I’m 32 ... oh, youth, youth laughing
              2. Phil77
                Phil77 30 June 2018 19: 01
                0
                Vyacheslav, but I stupidly sold it and bought leather gloves with that money. I spent the winter in them and they burst at my seams. I regret it. hi
            2. sergei28
              sergei28 1 July 2018 11: 36
              0
              ...
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Vyacheslav hi
              Personally, I know one example of a completely honest, and at the same time rather successful participation in voucherization:
              1. When there was this privatization, I did not have time for this. From the word at all, because the work is like that.
              2. But then I had a wife. So here she is, being in the suburbs (like me, a sinner ... well, I live here), invested all “our” vouchers (her, my child, mine ... well, I got five more on the way there, and they too) ... here you will be surprised - to Gazprom.
              3. In the Moscow Region then it somehow very successfully happened with Gazprom - there were ... a lot of shares belay
              4. At the moment, my ex (already) has, therefore, a small "capital", something of the order of 10 - 15 kilobax ... Trifle, but nice laughing
              Voooot ...

              Found on the road? Or deceived pensioners!
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 1 July 2018 11: 40
                +1
                Quote: sergei28
                Found on the road? Or deceived pensioners!

                Not on the road. And not retirees.
                Still have questions?
                My salary at that time was under two kilobaks ... this is a hint, if it is.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 1 July 2018 13: 46
                  0
                  at a girlfriend’s parents, they invested 2 and 7 of children with their wives in Gazprom, now they receive a one-time order of 40 000 every year
      3. Lavrenti Pavlovich
        Lavrenti Pavlovich 30 June 2018 17: 16
        +17
        Quote: dorz
        For the plunder of the country, so no one was held responsible.

        So the main red-haired privatizer and now feels pretty well with a salary of more than 1 billion rubles a year. All that was built for many years and rightfully, without any vouchers, belonged to the people grabbed a small handful of scams. Therefore, the privatizers and hate Stalin, he ruthlessly shot such, saving the people from the abomination. They will be held accountable for the looting of the country when there will be popular power, but for now grabbers and traders are in power.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 1 July 2018 12: 26
          +1
          I’ll clarify a little, under I.V. Stalin they simply couldn’t appear like a redhead! Even hypothetically. Although there wasn’t one, he organized the false building, but didn’t command for a long time.
      4. USSR-1
        USSR-1 1 July 2018 00: 37
        +4
        And the redhead with such wealth and still at large
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 1 July 2018 09: 46
          +1
          Quote: USSR-1
          And the redhead with such wealth and still at large

          Cinema classic: "Whoever planted him, he is a monument!" am
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 30 June 2018 16: 52
      +4
      Quote: polpot
      Ballad about the field of miracles and the country of fools, in my closet there are vouchers, for memory and science
      .
      Mom invested vouchers in the shares of the plant, after seven years the shares were sold and bought VAZ 14. Something like this hi
      1. cost
        cost 30 June 2018 16: 59
        +9
        from tomorrow, the spring law comes into effect regarding comments on the social network, the periods of their storage, access to them, and so on
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 30 June 2018 17: 02
          +6
          Quote: Rich
          from tomorrow, the spring law comes into effect regarding comments on the social network, the periods of their storage, access to them, and so on

          For a long time there was no news from this aunt:
          - Hello. Our base is covered here, could you deploy yesterday’s backup
        2. MPN
          MPN 30 June 2018 17: 09
          +14
          In our country, insurance from the actions of the State Duma and the government is not accidentally provided for? I would be insured.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 30 June 2018 17: 26
            +1
            Quote: MPN
            In our country, insurance from the actions of the State Duma and the government is not accidentally provided for?

            But did Vladimir Vladimirich choose in vain? Good insurance against the Duma lawlessness drinks
          2. sabakina
            sabakina 30 June 2018 18: 12
            +5
            Quote: MPN
            In our country, insurance from the actions of the State Duma and the government is not accidentally provided for? I would be insured.

            Pash hi Well, I don’t know .... Maybe gosstrakh? But, as you know, it’s useless to play gambling with the state ....
            1. MPN
              MPN 30 June 2018 18: 16
              +5
              Hello, Glory! hi Yes, I’ve already changed my mind. It’s also necessary to insure against insurers ... in general, you won’t be safe from everyone ... smile
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 30 June 2018 18: 38
                +4
                Quote: MPN
                Hello, Glory! hi Yes, I’ve already changed my mind. It’s also necessary to insure against insurers ... in general, you won’t be safe from everyone ... smile

                Yeah, the best insurance is Schmeisser buried in the garden, as the former SBU investigator used to say. laughing
    3. hrych
      hrych 30 June 2018 16: 57
      +1
      Quote: polpot
      Ballad about the field of miracles and the country of fools

      The name of the game itself is not ambiguous and very offensive. Still not aired. Okay, its first author and presenter is eaten by worms, but Ernst and Yakubovich will be hanged, the time will come.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 30 June 2018 18: 03
        +6
        Let’s say together “the red hell is to blame for everything” and just go together to drink a beer!
    4. iouris
      iouris 1 July 2018 14: 09
      +1
      Quote: polpot
      I have vouchers in my closet, for memory and science

      It's useless. We had to read Dreiser and study Marx.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 1 July 2018 18: 37
        0
        Yes, and Oh Henry would be useful too?
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  3. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 30 June 2018 16: 47
    +7
    Millions of Russians believed
    Fools in Russia have not yet been extinct. And Ryzhov must put up a monument during his lifetime - he took over all this and still carries with valor ©!
    1. iouris
      iouris 1 July 2018 14: 13
      0
      Quote: sxfRipper
      Fools in Russia and still have not been extinct.

      Shi fools are not worse than American (USA) - this is who the next object for swindle.
  4. solzh
    solzh 30 June 2018 16: 48
    +12
    Chubais needs to be brought to justice for privatization, but he holds all our posts. The whole country was robbed through this privatization.
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 30 June 2018 16: 53
      +3
      1. Fooled kanechno! , 2 But did we look well?
      1. solzh
        solzh 30 June 2018 17: 13
        +14
        Quote: Conductor
        But did we look well?

        It was a scam! The people in our country at that time believed in government officials, the people did not believe that the government would be able to deceive him so meanly. And they didn’t ask the people whether they needed privatization or not, they told the people it was necessary and carried out their criminal privatization. In 1992, privatization began, and in the fall of 93, tanks crossed the people.
        1. Conductor
          Conductor 30 June 2018 22: 25
          +1
          And all the scams before that, looked, loans. bonds
        2. your1970
          your1970 1 July 2018 13: 51
          0
          Quote: solzh
          The people in our country at that time believed in government officials, the people did not believe that the government would be able to deceive him so meanly.
          -you do not make fools of the people !!
          People FORGOTTEN 2 monetary reforms, military and post-war bonds, which remained unpaid, forced purchases of those bonds, government loans ???? !!!!
          1. Sweetheart
            Sweetheart 1 July 2018 14: 18
            0
            Quote: your1970
            you do not make fools of the people !!

            And you don’t sign for the people here.
            And the reforms, as you call, 47 and 61. were not predatory, but yours ... yes this one pulls you into thousands of volumes of criminal cases ..
            Quote: your1970
            and the remaining unpaid, forced purchases of those bonds, government loans ???? !!!!

            Again, lying ... these loans were repaid. This was the case. Http://back-in-ussr.com/2015/09/obligacii-go
            sudarstvennyh-zaymov.html
            But as a foreign bank, Goszim "appreciated" 1982 for a share of one hundred p, 140 p, only non-current ones, which are not at all the same rubles as before ..
            http://finansiko.ru/obligacii-1982-goda-chto-s-ni
            mi-delat-v-2016-godu /
            1. your1970
              your1970 1 July 2018 16: 00
              0
              Of course they were not predatory, kanechna .....
              Why were they held then? money supply to reduce? so it's very simple-stop the machine for a month, and melt the stove and burn the desired amount of surplus.
              To do this, there is absolutely no need to lock your own wife in the bathroom - in order to observe the top-secret mode ...
              Just in normal normal mode, you withdraw and destroy a little more money than usual. And by the way, money - to issue NEW no need to spend money either

              So no, not robbed .... the prank is so innocent ....
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 30 June 2018 19: 08
      +1
      Quote: solzh
      Chubais needs to be brought to justice for privatization, but he holds all our posts. The whole country was robbed through this privatization.

      I repeat. Personally, I do not consider myself deceived. They promised a car, so we bought it for vouchers. True, the family is big. 7 vouchers after seven years of stupid turned into a car. It was just not necessary to send to all sorts of MMM, Khopry and Selenga hi
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 30 June 2018 20: 31
        +3
        Quote: Tusv
        I repeat. Personally, I do not consider myself deceived. They promised a car, so we bought it for vouchers. True, the family is big. 7 vouchers after seven years of stupid turned into a car. It was just not necessary to send to all sorts of MMM, Khopry and Selenga

        In relatively large cities, there probably was such an opportunity to invest vouchers in shares of some enterprises, but on the periphery the bulk of the people did not know and did not know where to put these securities. In our North, Gazprom shares were exchanged for vouchers only for Gazprom employees. Advertising on the First Voucher Fund was played on TV, where the people invested in the bulk, because there was nothing else, and the exchange was carried out in post offices. At that time, for the people it was almost a 100% guarantee that the state would not deceive. But no, the first voucher evaporated leaving depositors with a feline certificate in their hands that they are shareholders and co-owners of Moscow hotels and other real estate. I remember Emma Panfilova, who now heads the Electoral Commission, worked on the board of the fund ....... probably for special honesty.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 30 June 2018 20: 41
          0
          In relatively large cities, there probably was such an opportunity to invest vouchers in shares of some enterprises, but on the periphery the bulk of the people did not know and did not know where to put these securities.

          Thanks for the compliment for my second Motherland. Twins with Gold-domed. Vologda fuck what a millionaire. It was there that it was hi
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 30 June 2018 21: 14
            +1
            Quote: Tusv
            Thanks for the compliment for my second Motherland. Twins with Gold-domed. Vologda fuck what a millionaire. It was there that it was

            A millionaire is not a millionaire, but as I understood from your comment, you were able to realize seven family vouchers. No offense, but surely your fellow countrymen from Vozhega, Kaduy or Vakhtogi covered the cracks at the joints of the wallpaper with vouchers, due to the lack of a choice where to identify them.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 30 June 2018 21: 36
              +1
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              however, as I understood from your comment, you were able to implement seven family vouchers

              What can I say? Maybe I didn’t explain it correctly? I gave my family vouchers to Mother. She decided. Her kingdom is heaven. Smart was Mom
      2. Conductor
        Conductor 30 June 2018 22: 26
        0
        this is pralo. or wisely believe and wait and invest. or on chupa chups be conducted
      3. freddyk
        freddyk 30 June 2018 22: 30
        +2
        Quote: Tusv
        Quote: solzh
        Chubais needs to be brought to justice for privatization, but he holds all our posts. The whole country was robbed through this privatization.

        I repeat. Personally, I do not consider myself deceived. They promised a car, so we bought it for vouchers. True, the family is big. 7 vouchers after seven years of stupid turned into a car. It was just not necessary to send to all sorts of MMM, Khopry and Selenga hi


        And I would give all my (two) cars for the opportunity to return the time when almost no one had them (
        1. sxfRipper
          sxfRipper 1 July 2018 00: 27
          +1
          Yeah. And you had them!
          An old joke about the granddaughter of the Decembrist in 1917 did not forget?
          1. freddyk
            freddyk 1 July 2018 01: 07
            +1
            Yes, I did not have a car, like everyone else. And especially did not suffer from this. Backpack, guitar, electric train- romance)))
            1. sxfRipper
              sxfRipper 1 July 2018 10: 11
              +1
              I don’t have it now either. Give me this hemorrhoids! It’s easier to call a taxi)))
  5. Observer2014
    Observer2014 30 June 2018 16: 52
    +11
    June 30 is the anniversary of the end of check privatization in the RF. Weekend reading
    And I have to one place. I at that moment in history was not a Russian. So myself, just RUSSIAN And I was eager to go home. How could he was torn. I wanted to go home with all the fibers of the soul. You should have seen that mother his list of documents that I had, that aunt had issued I would find published. Yes, those who returned home then need to give a medal. "For returning home." From the principle, without even a hint of a bribe. For home.
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 30 June 2018 17: 05
      +4
      Hats off, respectfully hi
      Something tells us that now, the situation has not improved much. (
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 30 June 2018 17: 28
        +6
        The Siberian barber Alexey
        Something tells us that now, the situation has not improved much.
        You see, I’m not barking about this, at least lately. I am happy for the Russian people. Quietly and silently hi
  6. Oleg Jacket
    Oleg Jacket 30 June 2018 16: 57
    +6
    VKPb were right
    shooting the royal family
  7. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 30 June 2018 17: 00
    +12
    The army outside politics then told us. And we, as always, believed. Your task is to defend the homeland. Only while we defended her, someone plundered her.
  8. Million
    Million 30 June 2018 17: 00
    +17
    Interestingly, Chubais under the wing of Putin or Putin under the wing of Chubais?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 30 June 2018 20: 02
      +11
      Quote: Million
      Interestingly, Chubais under the wing of Putin or Putin under the wing of Chubais?

      there is no classic single-wing aircraft ...
      1. Conductor
        Conductor 30 June 2018 22: 28
        0
        one plane - two wings))) Shavrov - you see.
  9. Simon
    Simon 30 June 2018 17: 28
    +3
    Quote: dorz
    For the plunder of the country, so no one was held responsible.

    Chubais has only become a money-maker, and so far he has been dragging money from the treasury to his nano-production!
  10. Simon
    Simon 30 June 2018 17: 31
    +1
    Quote: Oleg Jacket
    VKPb were right
    shooting the royal family

    And where does the imperial family ?! He did not privatize belay fool
  11. Simon
    Simon 30 June 2018 17: 33
    +4
    Quote: solzh
    Chubais needs to be brought to justice for privatization, but he holds all our posts. The whole country was robbed through this privatization.

    Not only robbed, but also the people at gunpoint. request
  12. shubin
    shubin 30 June 2018 17: 39
    +16
    In the mid-80s, they believed Gorbachev, in the early 90s they believed Yeltsin, many still believe in Putin, they have been bred as suckers for 30 years.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 30 June 2018 19: 11
      +7
      Quote: shubin
      In the mid-80s, they believed Gorbachev, in the early 90s they believed Yeltsin, many still believe in Putin, they have been bred as suckers for 30 years.

      Who believed? In the 85th I was still studying and I did not care. In 1986, he got a job, and after working for less than a year, he realized that something in the country was going wrong. In those same damned elections, we did not vote for Yeltsin, but against Gorbachev, because we got everyone with our “wider” and “introduction”. They believed Emelya for the people. It turned out ..... In the USSR, in the worst dream, I would not have dreamed!
  13. Boris55
    Boris55 30 June 2018 17: 40
    +5
    According to statistics, today about 85% of Russians are in favor of the fact that the check privatization of 1992-1994 was far from fairness and transparency.

    Strong Russian peasant with a backward mind ... Here Chubais is scolded ... On the one hand it’s right, what he was taught in Switzerland, he did it here and sold us our Motherland for candy wrappers.
    As the saying goes, there are two fools in the market, one sells and the other buys. Only the fact is that Chubais sold us ours. Is it a shame to admit you are fools? Yes, it’s a shame, it’s easier for a redhead to racify ... or six ... However, if we hadn’t been led to this divorce, nothing would have happened. In general, we sold our Motherland for not a pinch of tobacco. Therefore, we sit, keep quiet and do not scratch our turnips, we are embarrassed to admit this to ourselves ...
    But in vain, until we figure out how it happened to us, the likelihood of a repeat of the same deception in the future is very high.
    1. Bastinda
      Bastinda 30 June 2018 18: 44
      +8
      Interestingly, but someone asked us? Sell ​​not selling, everyone decided at the top, and announced.
      But the fact that Chubais is still not sitting suggests that ... laughing laughing
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 30 June 2018 18: 57
        0
        Quote: Bastinda
        Sell ​​not selling, everyone decided upstairs,

        But, to buy or not to buy (25 cop, apiece), depended only on us.
      2. Conductor
        Conductor 30 June 2018 22: 31
        0
        and also on what’s thought .. they vote for pu and mu. rake running
  14. APASUS
    APASUS 30 June 2018 18: 00
    +9
    Mourning must be declared, and we have Chubais also in power! At what time life ordered, a person should be in prison, and he now directs us.
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 30 June 2018 22: 32
      +1
      he is comfortable. should play 2 meters
  15. Fedoslov
    Fedoslov 30 June 2018 18: 16
    +5
    The generation that could have prevented the collapse of the USSR stupidly did nothing (for the most part). Even then, society was so degraded that it believed fraudsters and thieves who climbed into power. Shame on you, the generation that allowed the collapse of the USSR!
    And now you won’t pay pensions either, your age is just right. So you need it. You have deprived the future of yourself and children and grandchildren by your inaction - get a return.
    1. Sweetheart
      Sweetheart 30 June 2018 21: 16
      +3
      Quote: Fedoslov
      And now you won’t pay pensions either, your age is just right. So you need it. You have deprived the future of yourself and children and grandchildren by your inaction - get a return.

      Hmm .... comment frankly cannibalistic .. But this is your problem, this generation, no matter how you would like to, is already retired, you should be humped to the grave-board, rejoice, you deserve it.
      1. Fedoslov
        Fedoslov 30 June 2018 21: 59
        +2
        I agree, cannibalistic. I hope that at least somehow people start up, look a little into themselves.
  16. Dormidont
    Dormidont 30 June 2018 18: 23
    +3
    Why is it still alive?
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 30 June 2018 18: 46
      +3
      Quote: Dormidont
      Why is it still alive?

      Because people like capitalism. Till. And there it will be seen.
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  18. midshipman
    midshipman 30 June 2018 19: 17
    +4
    I personally and my family did not take vouchers. We talked with the Minister (Shimko V.I.) and understood that the country was handed over to the USA. After some time, the defense ministries were liquidated. They left one thing - the Defense Industry. I was immediately asked to head the Academy. I agreed. My colleague (Koblov V) left the military-industrial complex. The plan was serious and no one could resist. Andropov Yu. Did not resist. And he could.
    1. Sweetheart
      Sweetheart 30 June 2018 21: 16
      0
      Quote: midshipman
      Andropov Yu. Did not resist. But he could.

      He cooked all this ...
    2. Conductor
      Conductor 30 June 2018 22: 35
      0
      Yeah. if you . Pendel will give. advocate
  19. NordUral
    NordUral 30 June 2018 19: 29
    +8
    So, residents of the Nizhny Novgorod region, who decided to purchase Gazprom shares in 1994, could become owners of at least 1,5 units of these securities for a voucher. Wikipedia claims that the value reached 2 units per privatization check. Today it is about 280 thousand rubles. But Muscovites for one privatization check could not on average acquire more than 50 shares of the company (today - about 7000 rubles).

    Everything is said with these lines! A gang of privatizers robbed the country, selling and betraying the state itself.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 30 June 2018 19: 45
      +2
      Quote: NordUral
      Everything is said with these lines!

      “These lines” only said that the results of check auctions, namely for Gazprom, in the records of the region where this auction was held, were ... very different.
      I confirm that it was so.
      Quote: NordUral
      A gang of privatizers robbed the country, selling and betraying the state itself

      In no way does this follow from the quotation you cited.
      You, hike, do not understand what you read. Well, either just do not understand the subject. And to say at least a thread revealing - well, it is simply necessary.
      understand Yes
      1. Sweetheart
        Sweetheart 30 June 2018 21: 21
        +6
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        "These lines" says only that the results of check auctions,

        Manul, can you stop justifying directly the criminal act called voucher grabbing? Or have you taken so much from it that you still read the beneficiary’s chubais?
        J. Stiglitz states: “Russia is an interesting object for studying the devastating damage caused to the country by“ conducting privatization at any cost ”... The stabilization-liberalization-privatization program, of course, was not a growth program. She aimed to create preconditions for growth. Instead, she created preconditions for degradation. Not only were investments not made, but capital was also worn out - savings evaporated as a result of inflation, privatization proceeds or foreign loans were wasted. Privatization, accompanied by the opening of the capital market, did not lead to wealth creation, but to asset stripping. And it was quite logical ”(Stiglitz, p. 81, 176).
        so privatization is a crime that has no statute of limitations.
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        2. Svarog51
          Svarog51 1 July 2018 01: 31
          +4
          Eh, I did not have time to read. request
          Usually for the phrase
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          hiding the most interesting.
          Bad luck, however! recourse
  20. LeonidL
    LeonidL 30 June 2018 19: 49
    +9
    The 90s are the black days of Russia, its Time of Troubles and the Wild Field. Shame, blood and pain. Shame and ganba to those who today again try to introduce Yeltsin and his camarilla as saviors of Russia.
    1. Old Horseradish
      Old Horseradish 30 June 2018 21: 13
      +5
      I completely agree with you. I read the comments of some .. hmm ... comrades who are "in every barrel of the gag" and again surprised. These individuals have a philosophy at the level of Pithecanthropus. Like, "a million people were cheated, the industry was destroyed, but I supposedly bought a car or hid the bucks." The presence of these individuals explains the presence of Chubais in our country. We see that their percentage is slightly larger than necessary, so Chubais multiply. The soil is fertile. Imagine what would happen to Chubais, in England, for example. If he did such a thing with the British. The ax, the head, however. And all business.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 30 June 2018 21: 25
        +1
        Quote: Old Fuck
        Imagine what would happen to Chubais, in England, for example. If he did such a thing with the British

        A couple of questions:
        1. What would Chubais privatize in England, in your opinion?
        2. Chubais "drove nails into a coffin ..." I don’t remember what - communism or socialism. Yes, it doesn’t matter, in this case. Question: what and where would he "drive" in capitalist England?
        1. Old Horseradish
          Old Horseradish 30 June 2018 22: 41
          +2
          Ah, I see it hurt.
          Well, if Chubais would rob any nation like that: the British, Israelis, Americans, Arabs. How he robbed ours through privatization, fraud, fraud, etc. etc. That would have done to him very, to put it mildly, harshly. Yes, you yourself understand all this. Enjoy your dollars, yes, and when you are in the cemetery, look at the graves of those who, as a result of Chubais’s activities, got there. We all get there, and so do you. And there, buddy, you won’t take half a penny. In the coffin, remember, there are no pockets. But what kind of memory will remain is another question.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 30 June 2018 22: 52
            +3
            Quote: Old Fuck
            Ah, I see it hurt

            Not at all. I just saw some inconsistencies in your, um, conclusions.
            Quote: Old Fuck
            ... if Chubais ...

            He would not have the opportunity to do what you write. No. Your example is far-fetched, sorry.
            Quote: Old Fuck
            Enjoy your dollars ...

            ... I wonder what it is like ... to go, or to search - where is my warehouse of dollars lying around? laughing
            Quote: Old Fuck
            when you are in the cemetery, look at the graves of those who, as a result of Chubais’s activities, got there

            I go there regularly. There for 9 years now lies a woman whom I desperately loved ... but Chubais has nothing to do with it.
            Other graves do not bother me much - those who need it take care of them.
            Quote: Old Fuck
            But what kind of memory will remain is another question.

            Whoever needs it, everything will remain as it should. And the opinion of Internet trolls with linguistic-shocking nicknames does not bother me much ... You really try to take a word wink
          2. your1970
            your1970 1 July 2018 14: 03
            0
            Quote: Old Fuck
            Well, if Chubais would rob any nation like that: the British, Israelis, Americans, Arabs. As he robbed ours, through privatization, fraud, fraud etc. etc. That would have done to him very, to put it mildly, harshly.

            dadadadad !!! there wow !!! there they would be shown how to deceive people, huh ....

            “The Panama scandal (or Panama scam) is a financial and political scandal that erupted in France at the end of the 19th century during the construction of the Panama Canal. The Laruss Encyclopedia calls“ Panama ”the loudest financial scandal in the history of the Third Republic.
            The total number of individuals affected by the bankruptcy of the company amounted to about 700 000 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
            The investigation over the leadership of the Panama company lasted about three years. Both Lesseps, Eiffel and two other Panamanian company officials were in the dock. The presence of 87-year-old Ferdinand Lesseps was deemed unnecessary, and the trial was conducted in absentia. None of the bribe takers suffered criminal liability.

            Ferdinand and Charles Lessepse were sentenced to five years in prison and a fine; Eiffel and two other accused - to to two years in prison and a fine. In practice none of the convicts served time: against Ferdinand Lesseps, the sentence did not enter into force because of his age and merits, but the remaining four were overturned by a higher court four months later
            1880 Panama Scam of the year brought its organizers about five billion dollars, in terms of current prices."
      2. himRa
        himRa 1 July 2018 03: 17
        +1
        Quote: Old Fuck
        Imagine what would happen to Chubais, in England, for example. If he did such a thing with the British. The ax, the head, however. And all business.

        Soros threw England (almost before default) on a large scale, within a few hours became a billionaire! Perhaps larger than Chubais and .... what ...
        he is a respected investor ....
  21. sergejivan
    sergejivan 30 June 2018 19: 49
    +1
    The mistake was that vouchers had to be personalized and perpetual; they wouldn’t have a price!
    1. Alf
      Alf 30 June 2018 22: 11
      +3
      Quote: sergejivan
      The mistake was that vouchers had to be personalized and perpetual; they wouldn’t have a price!

      Not for this they were released.
  22. free
    free 30 June 2018 20: 37
    +4
    It was a betrayal of the people and interests of the country. Among other things, these persons not only did not bear responsibility, but continue to lead the country.
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 30 June 2018 22: 37
      +1
      and others in the grave
  23. free
    free 30 June 2018 20: 52
    +9
    At the recent congress of United Russia, the head of its party leadership, B. Gryzlov gave sharp characteristics to each batch. He described the Communist Party as a party that prides itself on the “crimes” of the past and wants to seize power again to once again “take everything away and share it.”



    But the members of United Russia itself, who are over fifty today, are almost entirely former members of the CPSU. Even younger President Dmitry Medvedev, born in 1965, Dmitry Medvedev, who is the first on the electoral list of candidates from United Russia, joined the CPSU while studying at Leningrad University and was a member of the CPSU until 1991.


    And the chairman of the United Russia party, PUTIN VLADIMIR VLADIMIROVICH, was also a member of the CPSU until August 1991. Having joined the CPSU at the University of Leningrad, he, in his own words, “didn’t leave the party — the CPSU ceased to exist, I took a party ticket, a card, put it on the table — everything is there.” So is Putin a loyal communist? No, he is a legalized bourgeois.



    And here is a list of former members of the CPSU who are today members of the Supreme Council of the United Russia party - “all familiar”:



    - Chairman of the Supreme Council of United Russia Gryzlov Boris Vyacheslavovich, member of the Communist Party until August 1991. He was the released secretary of the party organization NPO Energia in Leningrad;



    - Co-chairman of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" SHAIMIEV MINTIMER SHARIPOVICH, State Advisor to the Republic of Tatarstan. In 1967, he began an administrative career - he worked as an instructor, deputy head of the agricultural department of the Tatar Regional Committee of the CPSU. In 1983-1985 - Secretary of the Tatar Regional Committee of the CPSU; in 1989, elected first secretary of the Tatar Regional Committee of the CPSU; In August 1991, during an attempted coup, Shaimiev supported the Emergency Committee. He was awarded the Order of Lenin (1966), the Order of the October Revolution (1976), the Order of the Red Banner of Labor (1971);



    - co-chairman of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" SHOIGU SERGEY KUZHUGETOVICH - a former member of the CPSU, was the secretary of the Abakan city committee of the CPSU;



    - Member of the Bureau of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" ISHAEV VIKTOR IVANOVICH - member of the CPSU until August 1991;



    - Member of the Bureau of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" MERKUSHKIN NIKOLAY IVANOVICH, head of the Republic of Mordovia, - since 1977 - secretary, since 1979 - second secretary and in 1982-1986 first secretary of the Mordovian regional committee of the Komsomol. In 1986 he was elected first secretary of the Tengushevsky district committee of the CPSU. In 1990 he was elected second secretary of the Mordovian Reskom of the Communist Party of the RSFSR;



    - Member of the Bureau of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" MOROZOV OLEG VIKTOROVICH - a former teacher of scientific communism in the Kazan State University. In 1985-1987 - Deputy Secretary of the Party Committee of the University, in 1987 - 1989 - Head of the Department of the Tatar Regional Committee of the CPSU, in 1989 - 1992. - employee of the apparatus of the Central Committee of the CPSU in Moscow;


    - Member of the Bureau of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" SOBYANIN SERGEY SEMENOVICH - member of the CPSU from 1986 to 1991. In 1982-1984, he worked as the head of the department of the Komsomol organizations of the Leninsky district committee of the Komsomol of Chelyabinsk. From 1988 to 1990 - Deputy Head of the Organizational Department of the Khanty-Mansiysk District Committee of the CPSU;

    .

    - Member of the Bureau of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" TULEEV AMAN-GELDY MOLDAGAZYEVICH, Governor of the Kemerovo Region. From 1985 to 1988 He was the head of the Department of Transport and Communications of the Kemerovo Regional Committee of the CPSU. In aug. 1991 was ready to “subscribe to every word” of the GKChP appeal. But in 2005, Aman Tuleyev joined the United Russia party;



    - Member of the Bureau of the Supreme Council of United Russia, TKACHEV ALEXANDER NIKOLAEVICH, Governor of the Krasnodar Territory. In 1986, he was elected first secretary of the Vyselkovsky district committee of the Komsomol, was briefly secretary of the Krasnodar regional committee of the CPSU;



    - Member of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" BOCHKAREV VASILY KUZMICH, Governor of the Penza Region, - Member of the CPSU until 1991;



    - Member of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" GROMOV BORIS VSEVOLODOVICH, Governor of the Moscow Region. Member of the CPSU until 1991. In 1989 he was nominated for membership in the Central Committee of the CPSU, in 1990-1991 - member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine;



    - Member of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" EFIMOV ALEXANDER NIKOLAEVICH, twice Hero of the Soviet Union, Marshal of Aviation. There is no data on Wikipedia about membership in the CPSU, but of the marshals, only Marshal Shaposhnikov was not a member of the CPSU. He has Soviet awards: 2 gold star medals of the Hero of the Soviet Union (1944 and 1945), 3 orders of Lenin (1944, 1967 and 1981), order of the October Revolution (1988), 5 orders of the Red Banner (1943,1944,1944, 1969,1973, 1944 gg.), Order of Alexander Nevsky (2), 1 orders of the Patriotic War of the 1943st degree (1985, 1956), Order of the Red Star (3), Order of Service to the Homeland in the Armed Forces of the USSR 1976- XNUMXst degree (XNUMX);



    - Member of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" KOROLEV OLEG PETROVICH, Governor of the Lipetsk Region. He left the CPSU in August 1991. He graduated from the Rostov Higher Party School. He held a number of party positions: instructor of the Dolgorukovskiy district committee of the CPSU, deputy chairman - secretary of the party bureau of the collective farm “Way to Communism”. Since 1985 - the second secretary of the Dolgorukovskiy district committee of the CPSU, since 1987 - the first secretary of the Dobrinsky district committee of the CPSU;



    - Member of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" KULIK GENNADY VASILIEVICH - member of the CPSU from 1960 to 1991;



    - Member of the Supreme Council of United Russia LEONOV ALEKSEY ARKHIPOVICH, Vice President of Alfa Bank OJSC, Twice Hero of the Soviet Union, USSR Cosmonaut - Member of the CPSU (until 1991?) .. Twice Hero of the Soviet Union, has Soviet awards: 2 Orders of Lenin, Order of the Red Star, Order of Service to the Motherland in the Armed Forces of the USSR 3rd degree, Order of Karl Marx (GDR, 1966), etc .;



    - Member of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" MAMSUROV TAYMURAZ DZAMBEKOVICH, head of the Republic of North Ossetia-Alania. Since 1978 he was at the Komsomol work. In 1982, he was transferred to Moscow, where he worked as an instructor in the Komsomol organizations department of the Komsomol Central Committee. In 1983, he was elected first secretary of the North Ossetian regional committee of the Komsomol. In 1986 he entered the graduate school of the Academy of Social Sciences under the Central Committee of the CPSU. Upon returning to the republic, he worked as an inspector of the North Ossetian regional committee of the CPSU;



    - Member of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" MATVIENKO VALENTINA IVANOVNA, speaker of the Federation Council. In 1985 she graduated from the Academy of Social Sciences under the Central Committee of the CPSU. From 1972 to 1984 held the posts of secretaries of Komsomol organizations, in 1984-1986 - the first secretary of the Red Guard District Committee of the CPSU of the city of Leningrad;

    - Member of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" NEELOV YURI VASILIEVICH. From 1977-1986 He held the posts of secretaries of Komsomol organizations in 1986-1987. was the second secretary of the Surgut city committee of the CPSU;



    - Member of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" Polezhaev Leonid Konstantinovich, Governor of the Omsk Region. In 1969 he joined the ranks of the CPSU. In 1986 he graduated from the Academy of Social Sciences under the Central Committee of the CPSU. In August 1991, he quit the CPSU;



    - Member of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" Rakhimov Murtaza Gubaidullovich, Chairman of the Council of the Charity Fund "URAL" He was a member of the CPSU from 1974 to August 1991. At first he supported the Emergency Committee, but after the suppression of the coup he announced his withdrawal from the CPSU and the support of Yeltsin;



    - Member of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" SAVCHENKO EVGENY STEPANOVICH, Governor of the Belgorod Region. Climbing the party ladder, he worked first in district and then in regional party bodies, in the Central Committee of the CPSU;



    - Member of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" GARDEN VICTOR ANTONOVICH, Rector of Moscow State University named after MV Lomonosov. All the years he worked actively in the CPSU, was a member of the party committees of the Mehmat and Moscow State University;



    - Member of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" FEDOROV NIKOLAY VASILIEVICH, member of the Council of the Federation of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation, - former member of the CPSU. He taught "Scientific Communism" in the Chuvash State University;



    - Member of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" FILIPENKO ALEXANDER VASILIEVICH, auditor of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation. In 1977 he was sent to work in the Khanty-Mansiysk District Committee of the CPSU. 1983 - 1988 - worked in the Berezovsky district as the first secretary of the CPSU district committee. At the same time he graduated from the Higher Party School in absentia and during the year worked as second secretary of the Khanty-Mansiysk district committee of the CPSU;



    - Member of the Supreme Council of "United Russia" CHUB VLADIMIR FEDOROVICH. In 1980 - 1983, he was the second secretary of the Proletarian District Committee of the CPSU of Rostov-on-Don. In 1985 - 1989 - First Secretary of the Proletarian District Committee of the CPSU of Rostov-on-Don.



    (Main source - Wikipedia)
    You didn’t want to start novels with these "communists"? The country should know its "heroes".
    1. alfa19638
      alfa19638 30 June 2018 21: 20
      +5
      The CPSU lost its ideology and purity of thoughts, compromised itself, moved away from the people and turned into a passage yard and a feeding trough for crooks and careerists, therefore they surrendered the ideals and conquests of the real Communists without a fight. The real communists were then - when being a communist was mortally dangerous!
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 30 June 2018 22: 24
        +5
        This is true. They got rid of the real communists. At least the most active were expelled from the party, the opportunists were left: here before there was a list of the most successful dishwashers with party cards in their pockets who did not feel responsibility for the people. Probably the most striking manifestation of such a personnel policy was the Chechen field commanders, former Komsomol secretaries.
        The above list of United Russia, the former Communists and Basayev and Raduev, are different sections of the same list, on the table of those who began the destruction of the country.
  24. Doliva63
    Doliva63 30 June 2018 20: 54
    +4
    Voucher privatization was a return in 1913. But then the Bolsheviks raised the country, and what did the privatizers do?
    1. Sweetheart
      Sweetheart 30 June 2018 21: 07
      +12
      Quote: Doliva63
      But then the Bolsheviks raised the country, and what did the privatizers do?

      They killed her.
      Of course, all kinds of figures in the VO environment, such as dart or olgovich, with foam at the mouth will prove the opposite .. But the fact that the murder took place is a fact, why?
      We look at what borders Russia has rolled back after the 91st. This means that the labor, blood and sweat of dozens of generations of our ancestors, from princely times to Soviet times, has been reset.
      The loss of the country is 90, higher than the loss from Hitler’s invasion .. that’s what these and those who justify them did.
      The level of development of the country is now. Barely reached a comparable level of 91 years. And no matter how anyone sang songs to the contrary. But even Medvedev confirms this, though without realizing it at all ..
      Link from Aftershock ... to whom it is interesting, the data will find in other sources ...
      https://aftershock.news/?q=node/415864&full
  25. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 30 June 2018 22: 10
    +5
    Check privatization is pure fraud. We have a Hermes-Soyuz company, which promised to invest vouchers in the oil industry. Newspapers were published that there are well-known people in the manual, some of the astronauts, etc. People believed, carried money and vouchers, in the queue were recorded. It seems that they didn’t allow anyone to the oil industry. And the enterprise where she worked was effective, which was not done to break economic ties - phone numbers were changed every month. I still remember that after the new year I came to the plant management, and there everyone was strange. It turns out that all the money was withdrawn from the accounts and at the same time an instruction was issued to pay tax on manufactured products, which were not only not shipped, but could not be shipped due to incompleteness, these were the features of production. In general, the production collapsed with all their might. Went bankrupt. Shares of the labor collective were not redeemed, debts on salary were not paid. In short, they appropriated everything for nothing .. Even after decades, there is no strength to remember the crimes committed against the people. Here they were, "the holy nineties."
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 30 June 2018 22: 43
      +6
      Well this is faithful Putiners))) Is not it?
  26. Altona
    Altona 30 June 2018 22: 29
    +5
    Quote: Tatiana
    Privatization in Russia / the USSR is a crime of liberals as agents of influence of the USA and the collective West against Our country and the Russian people.

    -----------------------------------------
    AND? What's next? Where did the "agents of influence of the United States and the collective West" go? All sit still and smell good. Chubais bloomed as it blooms. His friend GDP is the most important patriot, I will not say anything about other characters.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 1 July 2018 01: 58
      0
      Quote: Altona
      AND? What's next? Where did the "agents of influence of the United States and the collective West" go? All sit still and smell good. Chubais bloomed as it blooms. His friend GDP is the most important patriot, I will not say anything about other characters.

      And what honest answer do you want from me? Did the army come out to defend its people in 1991? And the same unarmed White House defenders in the 1993 year, whom the corrupt military mercenaries from the EBN shot for "dashing" money? On whose side were the "smart" military, for the most part, and the KGB with Kryuchkov, who could not arrest Gorbachev in any way, although he knew about his tricks with the West? Or do you think that this people should have unarmedly - with bare hands - go to the breasts of non-military people, who either treacherously indifferently lodged in the military barracks with their machine guns, armored personnel carriers and tanks, or shot people - to stop all this liberoid political bacchanalia with the state American coup?
      The fish rots from the head! And power is rightfully strong!
  27. Altona
    Altona 1 July 2018 09: 31
    +1
    Quote: Tatiana
    And what honest answer do you want from me?

    --------------------------
    The questions were rhetorical. Just do not write so many slogans in your comments and suffer doublethink. All of them are thieves and swindlers in power and are not even particularly encrypted.
    Or do you think that this people should have unarmedly - with bare hands - go to the breasts of non-military people, who either treacherously indifferently sat in the military barracks with their machine guns, armored personnel carriers and tanks, or shot people - to stop all this liberoid political bacchanalia with the state American coup?
    ---------------------------------
    I do not think anything, I lived in Moscow at that time and saw everything. The liberals went to tanks with bare hands, because they knew that no one would shoot. But in general, then I was young, did not understand much. But there were all the signs of the Maidan, there were concerts free of charge on Vasilyevsky Spusk, and the people wanted to live differently, but it turns out the scenario was different.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 1 July 2018 17: 57
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      I do not think anything, I lived in Moscow at that time and saw everything. The liberals went to tanks with bare hands, because they knew that no one would shoot.

      On the 17 of April, on the 1991 of the year, I performed at a closed international n / a. conferences
      dedicated to the situation in the country. According to my calculations, the bourgeois coup was supposed to be in late summer - early September. In the hall were party and administrative workers of the North-West: 2 / 3 in civilian and 1 / 3 in military uniform. I said that in the country treason was at the very top in the person of Gorbachev and his inner circle. So the military categorically disagreed with this. In the extreme case, they stated that in which case they would defend their Soviet homeland from an officer to the last soldier without sparing their belly. And I told them that "you order" from above "will not get to withdraw the troops! So sit in vain in the barracks, waiting for an order!" And so it happened. I’m not talking about Moscow, but about St. Petersburg. And the people were waiting for the troops to side with the GKChP. It was in 1991 year. And in 1993, the army once again betrayed its people!
      Quote: Altona
      The liberals went to tanks with bare hands, because they knew that no one would shoot.

      Correctly. Because the generals "from above" betrayed both the Soviet people and the Soviet army! Both Gorbachev and Yeltsin were then possible to arrest. And you are talking about some kind of "maidan" there. On the Maidan, the security forces did indeed defend legitimate power. In the Kremlin, EBN with the “young reformers” was drinking brandy and champagne at that time, having a bloody feast during the plague.
  28. kind
    kind 1 July 2018 09: 56
    +1
    And I never received this "treasured" scrap of paper. He moved from one duty station to another, in previous places they told me that you would get on the next, but on the next again red tape with registration with different certificates, etc., and there the privatization terms expired. In short, he received a muzzle from his native state, and to this day how many have already received a muzzle ...
  29. skobars
    skobars 2 July 2018 01: 48
    +1
    The red-headed Mr. and his ideas are still alive, the government is trying to convince us that there is not enough money for pensioners, but they are not going to dispossess something of home-grown bourgeoisie.