The project of the Angara-A3 launch vehicle will be reanimated. Rogozin told

The head of the Roscosmos state corporation, Dmitry Rogozin, made an entry on his page on the social network dedicated to the future of the middle-class launch vehicle. This is a PH Angara-A3. To the project of creation of these rockets will be returned the Khrunichev Rocket and Space Center.

According to Rogozin, the transition to the Angara serial production will take place immediately after the plant has completed all previously taken orders for the Proton-M launch vehicle. Rogozin notes that we are talking about the production of Angara missiles in all three classes: light, medium and heavy.

Recall that the Angara family of launch vehicles actually includes four classes. The fourth class is the Angara-A5B. This is a booster rocket. It is planned to be used, including for long-distance space missions. One of these planned missions is the creation of a lunar orbital station. In this creation, Russia plans to take a direct part. At the same time, the implementation of the near-moon orbital program is constantly shifting.

The Angara-A3 launch vehicle is a middle-class rocket project that was announced closed some time ago. Now, according to Rogozin, the specialists from the Khrunichev Center are ready to reanimate the program. Initially it was assumed that Angara-A3 would have a starting mass of about 480 t with a maximum payload of 15100 kg for an orbit of about 200 km.

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[Vadim237]

Hangar live and work.

[For example]

Rogozin, live and work.

[Skunks]

There were a lot of thieves there .. Shoot first, and then "reanimate"! Rogozin is certainly an optimist, but he is clearly not enough stiffness ..

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Skuns

Rogozin is certainly an optimist, but he is clearly not enough stiffness ..

Rogozin is not an optimist, but a yap and a thief. What other "rigidity" ...

[Chertt]

Quote: Avis-bis

Rogozin is not an optimist, but a yap and a thief.

You as a crystal honest and responsible person, of course you can confirm your chatter

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Chertt

Quote: Avis-bis

Rogozin is not an optimist, but a yap and a thief.

You as a crystal honest and responsible person, of course you can confirm your chatter

Come on without jokes. Just read the statements of this creature and see what it brought the industry; where did she spend a son. Then you will stop writing silly jokes. (I believe in you).

[Chertt]

Dmitry Olegovich became interested when he was in 92g. I went as a volunteer to Transnistria (not quite ordinary, judging by his relations with the Foreign Intelligence Service). And from that time, more or less aware of his service to Russia.
PS Your comment makes faith in you more difficult.

[just exp]

Well, you could say that.
the truth is not at the moment of history.
that's how the Ob river will be on the territory of Ukraine, yes, then I will be from Ukraine.
By the way, when will I see pearls in the style of "Max goof, nothing will come of it" from you?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: just explo

By the way, when will I see pearls in the style of "Max goof, nothing will come of it" from you?

Who is Max?

[just exp]

Who is Max?

well yes . talking about space and Rogozin, it was hard not to guess about what Elon Musk had in mind, then I got it. Miles sorry, now I admit that Rogozin is the best space manager and now the rockets will fall not with us but with Mask. In our life, the life-giving asychka with us will do.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: just explo

. talking about space and Rogozin it was hard not to guess what Elon Musk meant

Yes, I realized only later, when I read below. What does he have to do with it?

Quote: just explo

I admit that Rogozin is the best space manager

When several years ago he was appointed someone, then the people wrote Hurray. I wrote that Rgozin yap, got about 200 minuses per post
I am too lazy to look for myself, write what you wrote about his appointment then?

[For example]

Quote: Avis-bis

where did she spend

Do you plan to “spend time” with janitors? Do you understand correctly?

Quote: Avis-bis

what it brought the industry

There are empty words. Reality is somewhere far away.

Komarov commanded the "industry." This is so for information.

I am sure that you are NOT personally acquainted with Rogozin, but you allow yourself to reproach him.

Are there any Rogozin incompetence facts?

[just exp]

Yes there is . Before Rogozin, we controlled the launch market.
almost 90% of commercial launches went through.
came Rogozin and Musk. Russia has 0% of commercial launches. Mask has all our customers.
it would seem, what does Rogozin have to do with it?
but he was so expertly joking about the trampoline.
I had to joke even more about the trampoline. then we would definitely beat all our customers back.
Well, in fact, well, it was not necessary to work on rockets as carriers.

[For example]

Where is Rogozin? Where did Rogozin come from? He was appointed to the post in May. A little over a month ago. And has he already managed? Everything is lost?????
I don’t know which market you controlled and for how long. One guy said that the Chirkizovsky market controlled, but went nuts ....

The Americans put the satellites into orbit no less than ours, and all the time they preferred to do on their own. The Chinese themselves also try to make launches. Europeans behave the same way.

Let me remind you that Komarov was still in charge of April ..
A little different surname, don’t you?
The hangar became a hangar under Komarov. It was under Komarov that they began to frantically search for a different launch vehicle.

Or Mosquitoes not count?

What did Rogozin annoy you with?
Does everyone say that? No more reason?

[just exp]

Where is Rogozin? Where did Rogozin come from? He was appointed to the post in May. A little over a month ago. And has he already managed? Everything is lost?????

hmmm, let’s remember when Rogozin joked about the trampoline and when his grandfather Pu sexually organized the Vostochny Cosmodrome, then he had no relation to space. he probably worked as a watchman in a kindergarten.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: just explo

Grandpa Pu

Pu who is this?

[Cannonball]

There are more than enough facts of incompetence - google there, there is a car and a small cart there. I'm not talking about the opinion of direct workers in the space industry, literally spitting at his mention.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: For example

Quote: Avis-bis

where did she spend

Do you plan to “spend time” with janitors? Do you understand correctly?

There are empty words. Reality is somewhere far away.

A set of words.

I am sure that you are NOT personally acquainted with Rogozin, but you allow yourself to reproach him.

I personally see what the industry is driven to.

Are there any Rogozin incompetence facts?

You would also ask the facts that the Earth is round.

[For example]

just exp,

Quote: just EXPL

hmmm, let’s remember when Rogozin joked about the trampoline and when his grandfather Pu sexually organized the Vostochny Cosmodrome, then he had no relation to space. he probably worked as a watchman in a kindergarten.

The spaceport is ready. It is a fact.
There are no starts from Vostochny under Komarov’s leadership. Komarov removed this fact.
Komarov pushed the hangar into a corner, but did not create anything new - this is a fact.
The hangar is the only really launched modern Russian launch vehicle - this is a fact.
They appointed Rogozin to a NEW position for him - this is a fact.
Rogozin said that the starts will be and will reanimate the Angara.
Let's see what the result will be.
I want to wish him good luck.

At his former post, Rogozin was in charge of not only the East. During the period of his activity, those armaments appeared which Putin spoke on March 1. This is also a fact.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Carpenter 2329

And to whom did they prosrawt?

Fuck knows, maybe he’s talking about the Uruguay Russia match.

[just exp]

The spaceport is ready. It is a fact

the spaceport is ready. only it is not his merit. at that cosmodrome there was such a mess that workers were not paid for six months. they stole lards that later the FSB came to see how they were “building” well under Rogozin.
and to write that the construction of a cosmodrome is a merit it is already tin.
remember -COSMODROME DOES NOT FLY. "FUEL" HAS ELECTRICITY. THIS IS JUST A STARTED LAND PLOT. EVERYTHING SMALL STATES OF THE TYPE OF NEW ZEALAND ARE BUILDING SUCH THIS AND MORE THAN THE COSMODROM MAY BUILD EVEN A PRIVATE COMPANY.
and here it is necessary. Rogozin Hero. he built a spaceport.
damn already spitting hunt.

[just exp]

and what does the state have to do with it? Earlier, when Rogozin was kept away from space, we had a breakthrough of customers (90% of the launch market was OUR). and these were not states. these were private offices. all kinds of communications satellite, geological and geodetic, observation and photographing. almost all satellites were launched by Google. not only foreign military satellites were launched by us. for no one in their right mind would launch their hands of others. and that not military everything went through us.
and then Rogozin appeared. more precisely, Musk appeared. who was able to make launches cheaper than ours. and at us protons began to fall through one. and all of our customers (that is, foreign companies that used to use the services of Roskosmos) went to Mask because it is cheaper and missiles fly.
and if Rogozin was engaged in his work and not in jokes. then we would already have our new launch vehicles with return steps. but someone thought he was the smartest on the planet. the result is known to all. commercial launches are gone.
and from next year we will not carry the astronaut either. and we, like India or China, will now only launch our military satellites.
but once these commercial launches brought in incomes of 600 million dollars a year.
so clear?

[-Pollux]

Quote: just explo

and what does the state have to do with it?

The moderator gave me a warning for a similar message.
"We slept through space because the state has no orders, the engineers and managers of Roscosmos are not entirely to blame."
let this Banshee say where is the violation of the rules of the site.

"You violated the rules of the site, admitted in a comment:
"Trolling, provocation:"

So it turns out that I’m right and someone really didn’t like this truth, as always the moderators do not explain the essence of their nit-picking.

[Cannonball]

Dmitry Olegovich - the son of the former deputy chief of the weapons service of the USSR Ministry of Defense, Lieutenant General Rogozin Oleg Konstantinovich. They have a family, a love of weapons.

[Chertt]

Quote: Cannonball

Dmitry Olegovich - the son of the former deputy chief of the weapons service of the USSR Ministry of Defense, Lieutenant General Rogozin Oleg Konstantinovich. They have a family, a love of weapons.

Therefore, D. Rogozin was “openly” to the Foreign Intelligence Service and they did not accept that his dad was such a prominent employee (and not only dad, his whole relatives were not easy there). Serious family serving homeland

[Cannonball]

Unfortunately, I cannot say anything good about the last few years of his “service to the Homeland”. Rather, he personally serves. So I added a son too.

[ARES623]

Quote: Cannonball

So I added a son too.

You obviously like the example of Mara Baghdasaryan more. And this bad man, Rogozin, took and invested in the education and upbringing of a son .... Horror !!!

[just exp]

You obviously like the example of Mara Baghdasaryan more. And this bad man, Rogozin, took and invested in the education and upbringing of a son .... Horror !!!

hmmm, you want to say that Rogozin’s son was born as a daughter, namely Rogozin made him a son and educated him?

[For example]

Here I agree with you. They serve the homeland.
And their children are taught to serve the motherland.
A normal father will do everything in his power to ensure that his children live with dignity. And education will give and help with work or business.
And those who see this as defective cause me bewilderment. Probably banal envy speaks in them.

[Cannonball]

What are you saying? Normally, this is when the father helps his son get a decent education, and not when he is put in the place of the deputy general director of the weapons plant "Promtekhnologii" followed by a springboard to the deputy director of the Property Relations Department of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
But the son began with managing the Internet projects of the Rodina electoral bloc, then the Rodina party. He was deputy head of the Information and Analytical Department of the Rodina Party, a member of the Political Council of the party. Subsequently - a member of the Presidium of the Congress of Russian Communities.

What is jealousy about? Everything is clear as God's day - who is achieving what and how in this life.

[Cannonball]

He really dreamed of working in foreign intelligence, but despite the successful completion of a six-month internship in Cuba (September 1985 - February 1986), he fell under the restriction for further service that was introduced in the KGB of the USSR for the closest relatives of current workers (Rogozin's father-in-law, Gennady Serebryakov served at that time in the First Main Directorate (foreign intelligence) of the KGB of the USSR).
In May-June 1992, he took part in the armed conflict in Transnistria as a fighter of a volunteer detachment. There he met with General Alexander Lebed.

That's all his "achievements" in the field of "military and intelligence service to the Homeland." It’s even more for me.

[Chertt]

Quote: Cannonball

That's all his "achievements" in the field of "military and intelligence service to the Homeland." It’s even more for me.

This is open information, and then kutsaya. It’s pointless to talk about the closed one, there are only indirect hints that he worked (and possibly works) much more

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Chertt

Dmitry Olegovich became interested when he was in 92g. I went as a volunteer to Transnistria (not quite ordinary, judging by his relations with the Foreign Intelligence Service). And from that time, more or less aware of his service to Russia.
PS Your comment makes faith in you more difficult.

Clear. There are no arguments. ChTD.

[USSR-1]

Quote: Avis-bis

Quote: Chertt

Quote: Avis-bis

Rogozin is not an optimist, but a yap and a thief.

You as a crystal honest and responsible person, of course you can confirm your chatter

Come on without jokes. Just read the statements of this creature and see what it brought the industry; where did she spend a son. Then you will stop writing silly jokes. (I believe in you).

So, is there still any success in Rogozin’s work? From the scandal with the apartment otmazyvalsya, the son was the smartest and sharply led a completely non-tobacco stall! His dachshund even became an amphibian, and you ...

[Avis-bis]

Quote: USSR-1

So, is there still any success in Rogozin’s work? From the scandal with the apartment otmazyvalsya, the son was the smartest and sharply led a completely non-tobacco stall! His dachshund even became an amphibian, and you ...

What is this set of words?

[just exp]

Do you doubt that Rogozin in general somehow resembles a specialist or manager at least in something?
I’ll remind you that before Rogozin we were leaders in space, we had an emnip for 90% of commercial launches. Then Max appeared, and this is some kind of competition, and Mask’s ideas were large-scale. and we had to react to them. for it is a competitor.
How did Rogozin respond to the appearance of a competitor? he said that Musk loshara and joked about the trampoline.
and what do we have now? Musk took all our commercial launches.
already picks up the delivery of astronauts, what did Rogozin do? He said that we would work and stopped joking about the trampoline.
Do you really think that this is a clan (Rogozin) in its place?
but as a father, he brilliantly coped with his role. son at an elite housing and bread position.
in general, as father Rogozin well done. as an official and employee full of guano.

[For example]

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Quote: just explo

already picks up and delivery of astronauts

When did Musk deliver people to the ISS? Name the date.

Americans are FORCED to fly on the Unions. As soon as they can create a reliable method of delivery, they will refuse Russian services.

Not yet been able.

[just exp]

Learn Russian language . helps in life.
TAKES IT DIDN’T TAKE IT. this means that the process is still ongoing.
and yes. Starting next year, the United States will send astronauts through the Mask. and from 2020 and astronauts from other countries.

[Amateur]

Can you tell me where and when he defended his doctorate in technical sciences with a degree in weapons theory, military-technical policy, and weapons systems?

[hrych]

Quote: Avis-bis

Rogozin is not an optimist, but a yap and a thief.

It’s like the East was built, Elbasy has become nothing to blackmail, also in the light of Putin’s surprises, we have developed a system of information-disinformation, which Serdyukov successfully demonstrated, also Rogozin is invaluable in this sense, including if used and in the dark.
In the next century, hydrocarbon energy will end, and if not earlier, nuclear. The world already has a deficit of Uranium 235, which is the basis of nuclear energy. The only way to solve the issue of terrestrial energy is the Moon, or rather the Helium-3 isotope, whose reserves on the Moon are very decent. True 1g per 100 tons of regolith. In fusion, when 1 ton of helium-3 enters the reaction with 0,67 tons of deuterium, energy is released that is equivalent to burning 15 million tons of oil. Therefore, science fiction, not science fiction, but the moon will have to be mastered otherwise civilization will die out.

[Kasym]

Interesting, Khrych, and what is the blackmail of the NAS with you for?
Why then create the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle - practically the same payload and weight. Rogozin probably has a lot of money or cannot decide.
Maybe Rogozin KZ is blackmailing such statements?

[hrych]

Quote: Kasym

What is NAS blackmailing you with?

It was a deal. Of course, it came down to extortion. In 1999, after the Proton accident, Astana immediately announced the disaster that befell the republic and prohibited any missile launches from Baikonur. The planned launches of the Soyuz-U launch vehicles with the Progress M-42 and Zenit-2 truck with the Ocean-O scientific satellite were canceled. Okay, there are civilians, and military launches of which they do not speak, it simply created a threat to the security of the Russian Federation. For the first time in 44 years of its existence, the spaceport stood up. It was an ordinary blackmail. Russia had to accept the demand of Astana. Therefore, it’s time to end with Baikonur, we do not need his lease, dependence on another state and his whims. Like that.

[Kasym]

Oh, and dissemble, Grunt! In 99g. there were two accidents with Proton. In July and October. You hope you know what heptyl is. Moreover, in both cases, the debris fell in the residential sector. Thank God that no one was poisoned. July 5 was the first fall, and July 14 was already allowed to work. The amount of damage 270 thousand dollars. - What do you call extortion ?! The second is October 27. - damage was estimated 10 times less. You call it extortion too ?! Naturally, after two consecutive falls, you yourself took care. Moreover, in both cases a joint commission worked. On November 2, everything was clarified with damage, and other launch vehicles could be launched. Protons since February. Due to the fault of KZ, the launches have never been canceled. After that there were 6 more emergency launches. Yes, and you know very well that Roskosmos had "shoals", but for some reason he blamed us. In the end, the authorities of Roskosmos suffered (Popovkin. This thief has always blamed us).
The worst accident was in 2013, when a large number of saigas for some reason fell (over 120 thousand heads). They forbade to leave houses, to take water from wells. We exposed the damage that was not paid, because the launch was not insured. They didn’t tell you this - this was not in your media. What is natural for us, Kazakhstanis, was unpleasant. The case hid our government. You were also not informed how Roscosmos threw us $ 220 million on the Baiterek project. And they also did not inform you that you did not pay any rent until 1998. Moreover, this year you gave us 3 Su-27 for this rent. Yes, such that your pilots were ashamed to hand them over - killed in the trash.
Well, for rent. 115 million dollars in year. Many Russians, who are not in the subject, believe that we almost live on them. But our budget reached 40 billion dollars. per year - calculate for yourself how many percent of it (less than 0,5%). And we hardly see any living money. Always some kind of barter. Either weapons, then training. Another point that you do not know. As a resident of Alma-Ata, I can say that in the 90s in our capital there were problems with electricity and gas (blackouts), but Baikonur always worked. By signing the docs, you simply didn’t pay anything for this rent - the EBN simply sent the forest.
Now you have handed over to us 2 Zenit launching boards in Baikonur. We must invest $ 245 million in repairs and modernization. - one emergency table after the start of 1990. (PH Zenit fell right on him). If you refuse from Soyuz-5, then we will again drive money into the sand. By the way, if the project takes place, we will refuse to rent - we will save you money on Vostochny - we offered money for it.
I understand that it’s not pleasant for you to read it, but it’s true. It is also true that our gold reserves per capita exceed yours - we do not walk with outstretched hands and do not ask you for anything. We ask only to be frank, and not like Popovkin. If you leave Baikonur, we will have to think about what to do with the city so that people are not left without work and with a broken trough.
Replace East Baikonur does not work - ask specialists on this topic. What LV are you planning to launch from Vostochny and compare with the capabilities of Baikonur ?! Yes, and there is a lot, except that there is - study the question.

[hrych]

That's so that there are no such misunderstandings and it is better to have also the East Therefore, the process of transferring PU to Kazakhstan from our lease has moved. And the RK will understand how much it costs to contain these objects yourself, i.e. spend, and not lease them, albeit not great. The tenant, however, incurred all expenses. Well, Baytarek is not yet failed. There is one more terrible thing, theoretically, the Chinese invasion of which the Neo-Bolsheviks spoke so much, which is unlikely in the Russian Federation due to the nuclear arsenal, but SA republics may still be subjected to aggression, of course, the Russian Federation will fulfill its obligations under the Collective Security Treaty Organization, but it will not have its own spaceport bad and for that reason. There are also scary things, of course, Elbasy did a lot of controversial things, like Old Man, but on the whole everything was smooth in the relationship. Unfortunately, eight dozen fit Abishevich and further dependence on domestic political consequences, which will also attract foreign policy consequences, which should not affect our space program. The world alignment is also changing dramatically in connection with the US trade war with the EU and China, which is the fall of the New World Order. The consequences can be monstrous, especially in third countries, in this case there are changes in trade routes, and Kazakhstan has always claimed these paths. Here is the first bell on the New Great Silk Road, where Korea becomes the starting point. This is a trump-un-Putin project, against China and Japan. Therefore, the project is doomed to good luck. In this scheme, the Republic of Kazakhstan is losing many prospects and is clearly not ready for these losses. Here is such a forecast. There are even more terrible things, the self-creating Empire, which after losses becomes even larger after the crisis ... Well, that's another story

[Kasym]

Yes, for God's sake and success to you with the East - absolutely frankly !!! God forbid an emergency launch - putting out forests is not a fire in the steppe.
Well, we started from the cosmodrome, and the topic was transferred to trade routes. And we have something to say on this issue:
Do you think that trade with China can replace trade with South Korea? I inform you that according to the project, the silos were built in a short-circuit of 2700 km. new railway 3 gas pipelines (55 billion cubic meters of gas) and 1 oil pipeline were built. Moreover, until recently, they did not have our energy sources. . You (Rosneft) pump oil, and Central Asia gas in China. In gratitude, Beijing intends to build 51 industrial enterprises in KZ - 4 completed, 6 under construction, the rest are under construction ... We finish the highway to build (left to be completed in places) from the PRC to your borders - the GDP in the message indicated that you are far behind on these issues. China recently signed in Astana (months have not yet passed) on a free trade zone with us. He wants more supplies of organic food (this year 1 million tons of grain, meat, etc.) ... Well, if you look at the statistics, then in 91 years passed 240 thousand tons of cargo from China, now 50 million with further growth. If about money, then somewhere around 5 billion dollars. only for transit ... Recently opened the railway line to the Persian Gulf and the new port of Kuryk - by the way, you can already send goods from the Urals to the Persian Gulf. At the end of last year, we completed the construction of a gas pipeline from the West of Kazakhstan - we suggested that you pump gas right now in China (you probably do not know).
South Korea is already poisoning goods to us from ... the Chinese port, where we built our terminal (forgot the name). Yes, the Chinese gave us such an opportunity and we have already built it. Shipments even from Japan go if you are not in the know. For example, Uzbeks receive spare parts for their car factory (auto. Uzbek nexia is even sold with you). And you say that we are losing something !!!
Actually, the silos - KZ initiative - the first transshipment terminal at st. Friendship to change wheeled railway pairs was built in the second half of the 90s with ... Japanese loans. China, to whom the United States blocked the Strait of Malacca during military exercises, seized on this project and rushed off.
A large Korean diaspora lives in the KZ - a couple of months ago it was parlam. delegation from South Korea to the KZ. "There are no such conditions for Koreans in any country in the world." Even the Academic Korean Dram. There is a theater. So the Koreans will not get anywhere and expand cooperation. LG has short-circuit factories - they even solder microcircuits. Auto collect - Hyundai and KIA.
Recently, the Japanese opened a plant in Alma-Ata - the only one in the CIS - cables of any diameter, etc.
So what are the prospects we are losing? You catch up with us and catch up on this issue.
Beijing: "NAS is the wisest politician in Eurasia." And they put it on par with GDP, if you are not in the know. When your EBN looked west, we had a lot to decide. NAS met with Beijing no less than with EBN in those days.
Here is another story for you. By the way, half of all uranium mined in the KZ (uranium hake (cake)) goes to China. And we occupy 1 place in the world in production and 3 in reserves of this uranium.
I almost forgot - we bought a port in the Baltic from you.

[hrych]

Quote: Kasym

I almost forgot - we bought a port in the Baltic from you.

I say that there was a good start, but the United States changed course. This course should break the neck of the PRC economy. On whose ridge Elbasy put. There is not much doubt about this, for the USA is a formidable force. On this occasion, the PRC even elected a king, who became Xi. Why did we come to forecasting, because Eastern - it was built by the Darkest, for it’s a master in forecasting, or rather the future itself forms unobtrusively The presence of uranium is a great blessing, but also a great sorrow, a deficiency of uranium 235 has been outlined in the world, so someone will want to clean it. And the presence of a border with two predators does not add optimism. For obvious reasons. No, I'm for the world. But here is a world of a different opinion Something like this, of course, Kazakhstan is a member of the CSTO, that there is a military bloc, moreover, it was the Chinese threat that drove him there. Also, Islamists from the south, behind which the ears of the west stick out, are also not good. Events are developing rapidly, we will see.

[Cannonball]

Baikonur is replaced by one or two. It would be a desire. And at the expense of money - you already slapped Baiterek because of your greed, slap Sunkar too.

[Kasym]

Can you read or what? It smacks of greed and chauvinism from you, dear. Good luck.

[Cannonball]

ABOUT! For some reason, the Kazakh was offended by himself and saw something that was not a priori.
Do not like it when the truth is told, then before taking offense at the truth, study the issue of the history of the "Baiterek" creation. Who should do what, who pay what, and what has been done. As a direct witness to that story, I’ll say that we practically did Baiterek, only the Kazakh Baikonur for some reason was not ready for its operation, although the money was allocated for it ... but it disappeared. Probably these greedy Kazakh chauvinists stole the money of the Kazakh people.
Learn materiel, Kimbatty Zholdas!

[Kasym]

Project Baiterek - LV Angara of all types. Did you create them? 220 million have been uploaded to you - where are they ?! We had to build launching tables - how to build without a pH ?! In the end, you refused and offered only an easy version of the hangar.
Sunkar - Soyuz-5 launch vehicle.
"Direct" participant (hard to believe), stupidity is continuous in your comment. There are people here. under the nickname Asket - here he is aware of the space theme and confirmed that Roscosmos, under the command of Popovkin, threw it.
To take offense at such people - do not respect yourself. When they switch to nationalities - the first sign of chauvinism. Have a rest.

[Cannonball]

For your information:
1. The Baiterek project concerned only the Hangar A5 version, adapted for launches from Baikonur. The rest of the Angara variants were not included in the Baiterek project, and they do not concern you.
2. Kazakhstan in 2005 allocated 223 million dollars not to us, but to Baiterek JV (registered capital of 400 thousand dollars, the founders are the Khrunichev Center and the State Property and Privatization Committee of the Ministry of Finance of the Republic of Kazakhstan. The place of registration of the enterprise is Kazakhstan, the office is in Astana. General Director - Major General of Aviation Pilot-Cosmonaut Talgat Musabaev).
In 2007, the Kazakh side was handed over a technical project for the launch complex.
In 2008, it was announced that the development of preliminary design and technical projects for the Baiterek space rocket complex was at the completion stage and work was underway on the selection and assignment of launch paths and incidence areas of the separated parts of the launch vehicle.
In 2009, Musabaev said that Kazkosmos will begin work on the construction of the Baiterek missile complex in 2010.
In 2011, the tactical and technical task was signed for experimental design work to create the Baiterek space rocket complex (KRK) with the environmentally friendly Angara launch vehicle at the Baikonur cosmodrome.
In 2012, Kazakhstan said that since the start of the project, its price has increased from $ 223 million to 1,64 billion (more than 7 times). At the same time, he expressed concern about the development of the Vostochny spaceport in Russia, as a direct competitor to Baikonur.
“If the Russian side will not participate in the financing and creation of the Baiterek complex on the basis of the Angara rocket carrier and will not consider the issue of providing guarantees to reduce risks, then further implementation of the Baiterek project is not advisable.”
Damn, according to the Kazakhs, Russia should invest not only in the development and manufacture of the rocket, but also in the Kazakh real estate on Baikonur, which, by all laws, is Kazakh property. Before this, even Ukrainians with the Jews did not think of.
It is clear that with such appearances, the Kazakhs were politely sent in a certain direction. The question is: "Where is the money allocated for the adaptation of" Angara "in the Baikonur SC.
And they still have the audacity to be offended and to blame for something.
As for the theft, I personally came across a representative of your Great Nation, who insolently robbed the peacefully sleeping neighbors in a compartment somewhere between Kzyl-Orda and Aral.

No, Sunkar is not Soyuz 5. This is a variant of Soyuz-5 near Baikonur.

If you are "hard to believe" - ​​these are problems of your not high intellect.
“Direct” because I have been working in the space industry for over 30 years, making rockets, booster modules, manned stations, spacecraft.
Who is Ascetic, I do not know. If it’s not from the industry, it can hardly be an authoritative source, but a lot of things have been written on the Internet that are completely unrelated to reality. But in any case, talking about a person’s competence without communicating with him is unlikely to be correct.
Roscosmos and Popovkin were not "thrown", but did not want to pay the overdetermined. And they are not to blame for embezzlement of Kazakhstani money. By the way, we developed the rocket for Baiterek, according to the agreement, as it should be and it is not our fault that the project had to be forgotten.

You are not offended by me, but by the truth and by your own national indignation. I’m just trying to open your eyes and remind you where you really need to look for the guilty, and not where it is brighter.

Therefore study, study and study ...

And I'm not a chauvinist, I'm an internationalist, which is confirmed by the relevant state awards.

[Kasym]

Uyghurs are a guarantee that relations with China will be normal.
We do not make bets, but try to build good relations with our neighbors. With all of them, the borders were determined. In Central Asia, they can’t decide on the borders, but with us all the countries of the region have decided. So this topic is closed.
Well, the fact that the United States and China launched a trade war is their business. And you also need to see who breaks the back of someone. The USA and the PRC have a trade deficit of 200 billion. Yes, and gold and foreign currency reserves in the PRC are the largest, while the USA has a debt of 20 trillion, and it’s their own fault that they let their businesses transfer production.
By the way, when the sanctions were imposed on you, we will give you 10 billion dollars. they gave in the form of gas (one place on the board of directors of Gazprom for Kazakhstan), and uploaded 40 billion in trade. So what we can help. Now the Kirghiz get on Chinese loans (Beijing does not want to write off or renew). What do you think Bishkek will run to ask for help, especially since we have good financial relations with China ?!
If you do not know, but KZ opened a bank of nuclear fuel - please buy under the control of the IAEA. This was approved by all nuclear countries.

[hrych]

Quote: Kasym

The United States and China have a trade deficit of 200 billion.

In the form of a Chinese surplus, i.e. even the mirror the Chinese do not answer. There will be a rout. The EU will also be forced to introduce trade duties, both Japan and the Russian Federation. All world trade will collapse, and China for the sake of sacrificing its village could pay. Believe me, I am glad that the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Republic of Belarus live no worse than the Russian Federation, but in some ways it’s better, of course there is no monstrous load on defense. The US debt is ambiguous, a little less than a third of it is domestic, the debt to countries is only a little more than a third. The rest is debt to private and legal entities, which is also about a third. Of the countries, the main creditors are, of course, Japan (as occupied), and China (by stupidity and greed). Depending on GDP, the United States ranks 36th in debtors. Still the USA just forgives all creditors. Who can knock him out of them? Soon for the lender you can worry The Chinese are one of the main causes of the death of the Socialist Bloc and the USSR, when they were sold to the West, yes, they received a number of technologies, received orders, got dirty production. However, key technologies have not received. And they are lagging behind the Russian Federation and the West by several generations in all advanced industries. What is reactive technology, what is nuclear technology, what is material science, what is radar, etc.

[Kasym]

Yes, God bless you - enough with the PRC is that they produce all the world's consumer goods.
I have no intention of praising the Chinese, but while the West and I were butting in the Cold War, they rose. Now their time to butt - we’ll somehow sit aside. Let them butt in the trade war now.
Actually, I don’t think that the USA will be able to win it. Beijing's weakness in resources. We will help them, and let them continue the "struggle".
In fact, what is beneficial to us? We want to create an FTZ throughout Eurasia and unite the continent. Thus, relieve tension and stop running on the continent - because only in the world can one flourish. The US remains on the sidelines of world trade. So they unleash wars (cold, hot, trade, cyber war). Therefore, even the allies are ready to betray and crush duties. Therefore, the EAEU policy is not aimed at exacerbation, but at trade, mutual understanding and cooperation. Do not succumb to the provocations of the United States and satellites. Therefore, the "sick" for the Chinese in this trade war.
The United States, judging by their public debt, sat on the neck of the whole world for a long time and "milked" it. It's time and honor to know. I suppose that the SCO and BRICS will begin to strike in terms of dedollarization. This is the weakest place in the United States with its public debt. We will start selling energy in RMB, Euro, Rubles, etc. - This is the delicate place of the States.

[Cannonball]

Benefactors, on!
It turns out that apart from the ancient ukrov, there were their brothers - the ancient Kazakhs, they poured the Tien Shan mountains, dug up the Caspian Sea, gave Genghis Khan and Timur according to the hara, defeated Hitler near Moscow, were the first to fly into space.
Go down to the ground, and then from your national consciousness the whole forum is spattered with saliva.

[Kasym]

I brought the facts - and where you, young man, suffered. If you can refute them. I see faintly - that’s what happened to you.

[Cannonball]

Where are the facts? And judging by your manner of writing, I’m good for you as a father.

[Kasym]

Cannonball, the “developer”, the entire program cost 2018 billion rubles for 110 (Yuri Koptev - head of the scientific and technical department of Roscosmos) - less than 2 billion dollars !!! So or not? We had only to finance the launch pad. So why the hell are we going to finance everything? Musabaev was indignant. Due to the failure of all terms, the project became more expensive. Not only that, you refused the Hangar-5, and you offered only an easy option that will not replace the heptyl Proton. Popovkin wanted us to compensate for all his "losses." Ours wanted to sue, but the government let it go.
You will believe that the launch vehicle costs less than 2 billion, and the launch pad 1,63 - where is the logic ?! Roscosmos tore all deadlines - is it our fault ?!
You want to say that all Kazakhs are thieves - and they don’t steal from your trains. You have decided to judge all people by individual persons.
For repair and modernization. Roscosmos asks for a start table for Soyuz-5 240mil, and 5 billion on the Angara-1,6. - You are friends with math, "developer." Everything is clear with you.

[Cannonball]

Tell me where is the starting table? And we made a rocket, flew already.
Your Kazakh specialists did calculations on the launch pad - contact them, which they counted there.
According to media reports, 160 billion rubles were spent on the entire Angara project. This includes the development of the entire family, including Baikal, Naro, Breeze-M, the creation of the IC infrastructure in Plesetsk and Vostochny, the modernization of the rocket and space industry enterprises, allies and contractors, the development and implementation of the latest materials and technologies.

You yourself then think about what a deadline could be if there was nowhere to start from - if there is no launch complex, the rocket will not fly anywhere. That is why the "Angara" has become a log building - there was nowhere to let it go from. Neither in Russia nor in Kazakhstan. Everything else is from a dead donkey's ears.

[Kasym]

Cannonball, "father", where do we get such specialists from to make calculations on the launch pad? This is yours counted - so the money went to Roscosmos - some of them went to the calculations on the launch pad. They wanted to sue for this. We didn’t have access to the cosmodrome, we couldn’t even physically make these calculations, we didn’t have such experience - your authorities, the police, the prosecutor’s office, etc. are there. We were going to hire your construction companies, as no experience - Astana was also built according to the project of Japanese and English architects. Hired from all over the world. EXPO-17 was also built according to the project of Western specialists - their own only builders.
If you are a developer, then how do you know the finances? The contract was signed in 2004, and when the rocket was ready? All deadlines have passed - Roscosmos has missed the deadlines (I personally do not blame you). If memory serves, then it should have been ready before 2010 .. Musabaev could not take 1,63 billion from the ceiling ..
Once again I say it was this year. That the development came out to 110 billion rubles - your Roscosmos said in the person of Koptev. Therefore, I asked you, the development is less than 2 billion (well, let 160 billion rubles, more than 2,5 billion dollars), and the table 1,63 - where is the logic. Therefore, even the NAS did not subscribe to this. The scandal has reached the GDP - Popovkin ... you yourself know.
"Father", I gave examples of the development of the short circuit on infrastructure projects in an interview with Hrych, in which you wedged (by the facts, how much and how much you built). What did you write? "Benefactors, on ... Great Kazakhs, mountains built, etc.". "Saliva is the whole forum ..." What are these manners - adults and smart people will not write such a thing, but I didn’t drink on the Brudershaft - so I suggested that he was a young man. If you want to communicate normally, then please have an elementary decency - I am only glad to talk with a specialist. Further, you switch to nationality (it is not customary to divide Kazakhs, Koreans, etc., we speak Kazakhstanis), forgetting that 130 nationalities live in the KZ (18 mil., Of which a quarter are Russians). And you wrote us all down as thieves, although we have not developed the "institute of thieves in law" (we have simply exhausted them all, and you ?!). How do you want your father to communicate? "Humiliating others, you cannot exalt yourself."
An ascetic from your industry, but even he wrote that it did not turn out beautifully according to Baiterek. And that not everything is normal in Roscosmos - how many criminal cases have been opened in the East ?! If you do not know, then we have a whole "prison government" on the plank beds from the former prime minister to ministers and governors. Now there are about 1500 criminal cases of corruption. The other day, they took 1 foreign secretary, some general and 32 officials (15 heads of state bodies, 5 republican values), the prosecutor of Alma-Ata was fired (it might also ring out). Well it is, note.
Actually, I'm a mathematician, cand. Sciences, 17 years of experience at KazSU, worked in other universities of KZ. Under 50 years old, I have three children. The site has long been and the topic of Baikonur is often discussed here.
If I hurt where, then I apologize.

[Cannonball]

Yes, you imagine a lot in the wrong light.
When we survived from Baik in the early 90s, valiant Kazakhstani sons simply plundered him, and you say they didn’t let him in.

“The Kazakhs destroyed everything here in the 1990s,” said Aydar, a native of Leninsk, unpatriotic (name changed). - I myself studied in a Russian school and gave the children there. Enough for a living - you can’t save. And the eldest daughter will soon come ... Many of us live on credit. For things, they go to the border with Kyrgyzstan, then they sell it in apartments. You know ...

Stick out like rotten teeth on the Lenin Square abandoned central department store and the burning House of Officers, where Gagarin danced. The ferris wheel rusted. The market, shops, the Central Hotel - everything froze in the damned 1990s. There are no huge shopping centers made of glass and concrete, whether they are amiss. The last residential building was built here 30 years ago. No billboards, no touring posters. The city is only switching to Kazakh gas, so far - an expensive imported one. There is no hot water on the upper floors of Khrushchev - if you increase the pressure, the pipes will fly apart. No bookstore, print stalls.

Kazakhstan Respubliki Ұlttyқ Karysh agentigi was established in 2007, and you say that "where do we get such experts to make calculations on the starting table?"

Kazakhstan transferred the money to the Baiterek joint venture, and you write that "the money went to Roskosmos." But Roscosmos was not a member of the Baiterek joint venture - read who was its founder before writing about Roscosmos.

You write

Musabaev could not take 1,63 billion from the ceiling.

.
Even if these figures are correct, then this is the cost not only of the UK, but of the whole complex.
Kazakhstan was only supposed to build an IC with infrastructure, for the development and manufacture of "Baiterek" they did not require tenge from it. That is, again there is a distortion of facts.
The refusal from the Angara was determined by three reasons - the incompetence of Kazkosmos officials, the theft of money allocated by the Baiterek joint venture, and the fear that the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome will turn out to be unnecessary for Russia in Kazakhstan.
And he could not be necessary because of the duplicity and national independence of the Kazakh government, imagining itself to be the navel of the Earth, with which weak Russia will have to reckon.

About finance, I read the relevant press, communicate with people who were engaged in this project.

I, as a participant, say that by 2010 Angara could have done it, the entire CD had already been released by that time, its release was only restrained by the lack of launch sites. Kazakhstan did not build a UK; he also wanted to make money on it. It didn’t work out. Who's guilty?

Speaking "Kazakhs", I naturally mean some citizens of Kazakhstan, although I directly have accounts for some Kazakhs - they are bad people, disgracing their people.
What happened to Baikonur was characteristic of all post-Soviet Central Asia, the Caucasus, the Baltic states, Ukraine and Moldova - a rampant nationalism, hatred of the Russians, often ending with pogroms, blood and wars. Russia also went through this. The expensive price of "freedom" and "independence."
The main problem of the "post-Soviet" space is to blame their local problems and mistakes on the USSR or Russia, and in Russia on Moscow. And young people are educated in this spirit and presented with information in a favorable light for themselves.
A typical example of such a "zadovilyaniya" happened with the Koreans at the launch of the "Naro". They were told, they were taught, they themselves "with a mustache", they did everything in their own way. The result is two emergency starts due to the fault of the Korean side. They tried to otmazyvatsya or offered to share responsibility for the accident with the Russian side. I had to "convince" by facts with which Koreans could not but agree without losing face. The third launch took place in normal mode, because the Koreans still agreed to fulfill our proposals.
But the media did not write about this.

The ascetic could hardly have known all the vicissitudes of Baiterek without which his conclusions could be erroneous. I also don’t know everything, but Bayterek’s problems are a little enlightened not from the media.

Apologies are accepted, I also apologize for the harsh tone.

I’m already a little "for 50", I have been working in a well-known space company since the mid-eighties in engineering and managerial positions.

[Kelwin]

Helium-3, more precisely its extraction and use for energy, is utopia. Even if we now had on the Moon the necessary infrastructure for shoveling and annealing of millions of tons of rigolith, then this would not solve anything, because we don’t know how to “burn” He3, and there are no materials that can withstand 500 million degrees. And the energy output there is not so fabulous as to make a garden.

[Vadim237]

The next 12 will confirm when thermonuclear reactors will be launched, for research and trial operation.

[hrych]

We predict for the future, not the present. Now we have no alternative to hydrocarbon fuel and Uranus 235, both weapons and fuel. If nuclear warheads have already appeared for aircraft, which is the KR Petrel, then there will be one damn thing about something uranium or its derivative.

[Skunks]

Quote: Avis-bis

Quote: Skuns

Rogozin is certainly an optimist, but he is clearly not enough stiffness ..

Rogozin is not an optimist, but a yap and a thief. What other "rigidity" ...

Well, if he was Rogozman, then yes, a great leader and scientist of "world significance"
We went through it all already .. Maybe enough of these your Jewish things to drive away .. ???

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Skuns

Well, if he was Rogozman, then yes, a great leader and scientist of "world significance"
We went through it all already .. Maybe enough of these your Jewish things to drive away .. ???

Wake up. Or get off the dope that you smoke.

[cost]

This is not the case. The drunkard will oversleep, but this one never. Apparently Jews very much offended him in childhood. All posts are about the same .A most likely- Troll

[Skunks]

Quote: Rich

This is not the case. The drunkard will oversleep, but this one never. Apparently Jews very much offended him in childhood. All posts are about the same .A most likely- Troll

I used to be suspicious of you .. Well now everything is clear! from a flock of goys "ball", under the "schwonders" .... How everything is running !!! No wonder you are not allowed into marshals ..

[Chertt]

Quote: Skuns

but he’s obviously not enough rigidity ..

Rogozin, though he is a Doctor of Philosophy and Technical Sciences, but he has three award pistols. (for real things, I dare say)

[just exp]

fought in Chechnya as part of special forces reconnaissance?
I'm talking about Rogozin.

[Chertt]

Quote: just explo

fought in Chechnya as part of special forces reconnaissance?
I'm talking about Rogozin.

Why do they give pistols to such People - they don’t print in newspapers

[just exp]

well yes . recently I read how one white collar came from Chechnya and then, having eaten durbals, began to shoot with an award pistol.
here is a hero so a hero.
I don’t need to tell how these pistols are given. I even know one passenger who received such a gun. and he accomplished the feat about 37 years ago. when I got out of my mother. for this reason, his father was an emnip polkan and the chief of our district provided him with training and position and a pistol.
By the way, and what good-luck pads did Kadyrov have that he also has premium weapons?

[Cannonball]

He would have a flag in his hands, a drum on his neck and a bugle in the west.

[Skunks]

Quote: Chertt

Quote: Skuns

but he’s obviously not enough rigidity ..

Rogozin, though he is a Doctor of Philosophy and Technical Sciences, but he has three award pistols. (for real things, I dare say)

Yes, I know everything .. It’s just that the jackal gets it and it’s useless to explain it to them .. And it’s not worth it, such a howl will be raised by “Mama Do not Cry” .. So it’s better to keep quiet and do your thing ..

[Chertt]

Quote: Skuns

it’s useless to explain to them .. And it’s not worth it

As the German proverb says - "Fools are few, they are just so skillfully placed that they constantly bump into them"

[cost]

Yes, for his real deeds, it is time for him to issue an award space rocket, and his son an award helicopter

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Mr. Rogozin, log in!

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: Chertt

Rogozin, though he is a Doctor of Philosophy and Technical Sciences, but he has three award pistols. (for real things, I dare say)

I wonder for what? Oh yes, for the top secret, I get it!
Are you a relative?

[Peter Ivanov]

So, according to rumors, he has already been given three award pistols, but he does not shoot! What is it for? One word bourgeois softness!

[cost]

Rogozin is an optimist

And he is an optimist, and all his relatives

[RUSS]

Quote: Skuns

A lot of thieves got divorced .. Shoot first

Such a half of the country, if not more, if everyone is closed and shot, then there will be irreparable losses

[Skunks]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: Skuns

A lot of thieves got divorced .. Shoot first

Such a half of the country, if not more, if everyone is closed and shot, then there will be irreparable losses

Only Jews will remain .. ???
There is no one to work behind machines and mines in Russia ..

[RUSS]

Quote: Skuns

There is no one to work behind machines and mines in Russia ..

There are fewer machine tools ... As well as production in general, but there are still enough people in mines.

[NordUral]

Chatterbox he is professional.

[astepanov]

Quote: For example

Rogozin, live and work.

Yes Yes. We have such workers in any industry. Kindersurprise led Rosatom - with the only invention - the "way to organize lotteries." He before that increased the output of light fractions from oil by the efforts of the "psychics" group. The same "scientist" - Gryzlov, who sawed the budget together with the St. Petersburg swindler Petrik, drives the same trash in Rusnano. But Rogozin went further than others, he is a doctor of technical sciences, while at the same time he has nothing to do with technology in higher education. But he fell into the cage and will do it there, until even debris remains from the industry. Serdyukov’s case lives and thrives ... In my opinion, all this clearly stinks of the current system.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: astepanov

astepanov

Sweat, blood, sand, and girlish tears

Quote: astepanov

Serdyukov’s case lives and prospers

Not the worst of things, by the way. Judging by the results.

[210ox]

Of course you have to work .. Not in the end, fly on trampolines. This project was born with great difficulty from the beginning of the 90s, it would be time to fly, really ..

Quote: Vadim237

Hangar live and work.

[Peter Ivanov]

There is nothing to live if this does not exist in nature, and on a number of issues in the drawing and documentary too! And, the people who in our Soviet time designed this Angara and tried to assemble ... already in a bright world! And is this space needed by the Russian capitalists? More likely no than yes! Let us recall how one Deputy Defense Minister Taburetkinda proposed liquidating the USSR Space Intelligence !!!!!

[Cannonball]

Once again I say, “Angara” was designed after the collapse of the USSR and most of those people are quite alive and working.

[Lavrenti Pavlovich]

Quote: Vadim237

Hangar live and work.

The news gives hope, but only the Khrunichev plant is being prepared for demolition in order to build another neighborhood. The plant begins to reduce.

[Totah155]

Pension money must be invested somewhere ....

[Peter Ivanov]

It's ridiculous! It's ridiculous! It's ridiculous!

[parusnik]

Now, according to Rogozin

... Believe ... Let it fly

[bouncyhunter]

Social media posting is not a performance guide. So wait a moment to believe ...

[MPN]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Social media posting is not a performance guide. So wait a moment to believe ...

When things are done, as a rule, it’s not up to social networks, but when they’re not done, there’s only PR in social networks ...

[Atilla]

What’s interesting with finances? Maybe Rogozin and the company have plans to bring Roskosmos to self-sufficiency and even to profit. But something is not believed at all.

[Cannonball]

There is no finance and never will be - get out yourself. That’s the whole philosophy of self-sufficiency. He would have planted an army with police for self-sufficiency.

[bouncyhunter]

Here I am about the same. While there is no official confirmation, but about a post on social networks, you can always say that some vicious things hacked into your account.

[MPN]

Quote: bouncyhunter

that the account was hacked by some vicious things

Out of jealousy for success ...

[Peter Ivanov]

Faith is from the parish dictionary! Look at his deeds !!!!
So what is there with the second launch pad at the Vostochny spaceport ?????????????????? Ahhhhh! They steal everything!

[210ox]

Well, Rogozin doesn't fly .. But anyway, believe ..

Quote: parusnik

Now, according to Rogozin

... Believe ... Let it fly

[parusnik]

I’m not Rogozin, about the Hangar .., oh well ..

[210ox]

Alexey I think the problem is complex .. I mean the Angara. It comes from the USSR with all the consequences. Collapsed cooperation, then the money disappeared. Try to pick it all up. Surely there are many components from Dnepropetrovsk and not only .. Next, what’s to launch on this rocket? Test launches are one thing, and then contracts are needed. Build for what would happen?

Quote: parusnik

I’m not Rogozin, about the Hangar .., oh well ..

[Cannonball]

"Angara" was born in the mid-90s, when only memories remained of the USSR. Angara is a Russian, not Soviet, development.
The Angara hardly had components from Dnepropetrovsk, most likely from Kharkov and Poltava, but they have already been replaced with Russian ones.
The problem of the “Angara” is that the high leadership decided to save the Omsk “Flight”, transferring its production there, and selling the land in Moscow. Only Omsk was not ready for its production, hence so many years of inactivity in launches.

[210ox]

I won’t argue about what time and with what passports the designers were with. I remember when I heard and saw the Baikal overclocking unit in the year 92 .. And this block was built just for the Angara ..

Quote: Cannonball

"Angara" was born in the mid-90s, when only memories remained of the USSR. Angara is a Russian, not Soviet, development.
The Angara hardly had components from Dnepropetrovsk, most likely from Kharkov and Poltava, but they have already been replaced with Russian ones.
The problem of the “Angara” is that the high leadership decided to save the Omsk “Flight”, transferring its production there, and selling the land in Moscow. Only Omsk was not ready for its production, hence so many years of inactivity in launches.

[Cannonball]

You could not see the Baikal overclocking block in '92, because it does not exist in nature. Work on the Angara began in the mid-90s, and the model of the Baikal accelerator was exhibited at the MAKS only in 2001, but it didn’t go beyond the layout. So today, no one is building Baikal. Doesn't even design.

[Igor V]

Come on Rogozin! Push Rogozin! Good luck, Rogozin!

[voyaka uh]

He has already overcome everything for himself.

[Cannonball]

"Hangars A3" is not even on paper, there is nothing to reanimate - only to design from scratch. And besides Proton-M, it’s kind of like they signed contracts for the lightweight Proton, as much as $ 1 billion. So it will be alive, smoking room.

[Peter Ivanov]

Or maybe for an agreement with Trump ... cut what remains of the damned Russian capitalists of the USSR? And then, on the "retirement" of Putin in the foreign bourgeoisie will not accept?

[Topgun]

it’s not contracts, but intentions ...
I wonder what the workers of Khrunichev think about this who quit at their own request with a 3-month salary bonus (cunning effective managers) ...

[Cannonball]

You can read my opinion.

[Dormidont]

For our Western and Middle Eastern partners, no missiles are a pity

[7gor]

Well, once Rogozin said! let's hope

[Simon]

Quote: Avis-bis

Quote: Skuns

Rogozin is certainly an optimist, but he is clearly not enough stiffness ..

Rogozin is not an optimist, but a yap and a thief. What other "rigidity" ...

Where is the evidence? Present first, and then speak! Thieves are those who steal and transfer abroad, and then they themselves flee there.

[forty-eighth]

Quote: Simon

Quote: Avis-bis

Quote: Skuns

Rogozin is certainly an optimist, but he is clearly not enough stiffness ..

Rogozin is not an optimist, but a yap and a thief. What other "rigidity" ...

Where is the evidence? Present first, and then speak! Thieves are those who steal and transfer abroad, and then they themselves flee there.

And those who steal and do not transfer abroad, therefore, are no longer thieves, but honest citizens?

[Peter Ivanov]

... recall that THIS - "Angara" - is an elephant miscarriage! Absolutely "naked" type project! They will kill the Soviet Proton rocket and they will not put this miscarriage of an underdeveloped, underdeveloped, curved-winged miscarriage ... and then it will be ... "- Well, I couldn’t, man !!!".
Glory to the Great Soviet space explorers! Shame on the Russians who killed Soviet Science and Industry and produced some kind of infantiles, loafers !!!

[Cannonball]

Normal rocket "Angara". Proton and other launch vehicles are also flawed. Ideal rockets do not exist, from the word "in general."

[mark1]

Peter Ivanov - Ivan Petrov ... Starper Vitaly from the Department? How can you be fruitful?

[Viktor77]

Quote: Avis-bis

Quote: Skuns

Rogozin is certainly an optimist, but he is clearly not enough stiffness ..

Rogozin is not an optimist, but a yap and a thief. What other "rigidity" ...

Our officials just sit on social networks (they also sleep in meetings in the Duma!), The rest are wanted.

[Cannonball]

Quote: For example

Where is Rogozin? Where did Rogozin come from? He was appointed to the post in May. A little over a month ago. And has he already managed? Everything is lost?????

Rogozin was the immediate boss of Komarov, and before him - the previous leaders of Roscosmos. It is he who is personally responsible for the collapse of the industry.

[Igor V]

Quote: Cannonball

Quote: For example

Where is Rogozin? Where did Rogozin come from? He was appointed to the post in May. A little over a month ago. And has he already managed? Everything is lost?????

Rogozin was the immediate boss of Komarov, and before him - the previous leaders of Roscosmos. It is he who is personally responsible for the collapse of the industry.

The military-industrial complex is not the boss, but the customer! There is no need to replace concepts, philosophers say that this is very bad.

[Cannonball]

Rogozin was the Deputy Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation in charge of defense industry, defense orders, national defense, mobilization training, maritime policy, nuclear and rocket and space, shipbuilding, aviation, radio electronic industry, export control, military-technical cooperation, civil defense, border policy , Arctic, as well as the construction of the Vostochny spaceport.
This is not the customer, this is the boss.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Cannonball

This is not a customer, this is the boss

What you wrote there above, these words of yours ... contradicts, to put it mildly.
You can’t be the "boss of everything"

Quote: Cannonball

This is not a customer

Customer - State of the Russian Federation. Rogozin in this case is the representative of the Customer. There are plenty of directors directly responsible for their own plots in each of the mentioned "plots" ...

Cat threw kittens -
That Rogozin is to blame

Oga, kaneshno

[Cannonball]

You seem to be completely off topic, if you write like that.
Rogozin is a government official holding a high and responsible post, responsible for the specific activities of industry, science and technology.
His post was even higher than the ministerial one. He did not order anything, he oversaw the execution of orders. He led several industries at once, that is, he was a very big boss.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Cannonball

He didn’t order anything, he oversaw the execution of orders

Well, I wrote

Quote: Golovan Jack

Rogozin in this case - the representative of the Customer

IMHO a question of terminology, no more.

Quote: Cannonball

He led several industries at once, i.e...

... didn’t (yes, just physically) keep "on mind" all execution details these orders.
I'm exactly about it

[Dr. Sorge]

This is throwing from side to side.

[Cannonball]

Chertt, of course, he is a secret nuclear physicist, inventor of the space trampoline and Russian James Bond all rolled into one. It was he who blew up the Challenger by launching an F-1 grenade from a secret slingshot, it was he who “put an end” to the Space Shuttle program so that American astronauts would fly to the ISS exclusively on Soyuz ...
The only thing that inspires respect in my service to the Motherland is the period when he worked with NATO.

[slipped]

Topic about Angara-A3, and then Rogozin’s personality is discussed. The fact that there will be an entire line of missiles, as previously a big plus was supposed to be - this will greatly reduce the launch cost, due to the mass production of URMs. By 2021, the Federation will be made. If the industry lingers with Soyuz-5, and recent reports about its development say that the new Roskosmos leadership is not satisfied with the outline design of the rocket adopted in April, then the Federation’s LCI can start on A3, the ship’s weight in the first flight is 14,4 tons. By the way, make a mistake, you don’t need to “develop from scratch” A3, just work out the output scheme and write the appropriate software, well, conduct LCI of the missile itself ess-no.

[Cannonball]

You are very optimistic and far from reality. Everything is much worse than you can imagine. Great doubts about the “Federation” by the 21st year. Work on the Angara A3 did not even begin, and in connection with the long-term “reforms” at Khrunichev, I doubt that they will begin soon, if at all ..

[slipped]

Who has doubts? Do you personally? the flight test department does not have them.

[Cannonball]

How can I have doubts if I daily boil in this juice and see with my own eyes what is being said and what is actually being done.
A flight test department is not in nature. This is your fiction.

[slipped]

There is STC RKK. With departments. So you think up. M. Serov is the head of the department there.

[slipped]

Roscosmos also made a mistake with the name and invents https://www.roscosmos.ru/25177/

[Cannonball]

And you will argue that M. Serov will test rockets? Neighing.
This is not his competence, or even RKK.

[slipped]

They create the "Federation", the conversation was about her. The term of creation is the 2021st year.

[Cannonball]

And what will the Federation fly on if there are no carriers for it? First, the carriers should appear, they should be tested, and only then it will be possible to talk about the tests of the "Federation".

[slipped]

Nobody canceled Soyuz-5, as well as the term of its tests.

[Cannonball]

Timing, Carl, timing! The probability that by the 21st year of Soyuz-5 will not be more than high.

[Vadim237]

A3 and A 5B will be built at the Omsk branch.

[Cannonball]

No A3. Not even on paper yet. To date, no one is designing and starting it.
And Omsk cannot even cope with today's work.

[senima56]

"... Now, if you believe Rogozin, ...." that's it.

[dgonni]

The question is that by the time production begins, there will be no one to produce this medium! Customers will not be easy. Unfortunately, Musk cheerfully grabbed almost the entire commercial market in which Russia reigned supreme. The reputation is earned hard and long, and is lost by the moment.

[Ross xnumx]

The project of the Angara-A3 launch vehicle will be reanimated. Rogozin told

I do not believe a single word of this "Unreasonable, talkative, too long-spoken person." If only you try with your son ...

[xant]

Roscosmos Program - The Ten Principles of Cosmonautics

[Awaz]

Do any of you believe that the Angara will ever fly? Yes, hardly. Another 10 years and everything that has been accumulated will really become obsolete and everything will need to be done in a new way ...

[Vadim237]

Fly - with Russian commercial and military satellites.

[Awaz]

Yes, it’s unlikely .. Roscosmos and officials drove themselves into such shit that they are unlikely to be able to save the industry. Well, that is, something will fly piece by piece for their own needs, but they are already unable to provide something new and breakthrough. They are not even able to keep afloat all that is. Little money and what is stolen mercilessly. Americans, too, may not go very forward, but at least try to do things in different directions, with the hope that somewhere they will break through.
For anyone, missile launches in Russia are several times cheaper than American ones, but greed has ruined and the market has already been lost and who knows what will happen next ... Our state does not really want to feed unprofitable industries ...

[16112014nk]

"Towards the morning dawn -
According to the "Hangar" (Hangar - 2, - 3, -5, -5P)
"The elder ordered!" ©

[Old26]

Quote: hrych

The world already has a deficit of Uranium 235, which is the basis of nuclear energy.

Oh really? Explored (I emphasize proven) uranium reserves - about 5 million 903 thousand tons. In particular, Australia's reserves are about 1 million 706 thousand tons. Annual production is about 6350 tons. The reserves are enough for 268 years. Russia's reserves are about 830 thousand tons. Annual production of about 3000 tons. Stock for 265 years
Others, of course, have less, for example, Kazakhstan will have enough reserves for 30 years, Canada for 50 years. Niger for 89 years, Namibia for 88 years, South Africa for 626 years, Brazil for 1400 , the United States - for 112 years, China - for almost 140 years. Now it's called DEFICIENCY ????So the Moon and its Helium-3 are not of primary concern.

Quote: 210ox

Of course you have to work .. Not in the end, fly on trampolines. This project was born with great difficulty from the beginning of the 90s, it would be time to fly, really ..

Quote: Vadim237

Hangar live and work.

Unlike the Angara-1.2 and Angara A-5 variants, the Angara A-3 carrier has not yet flown at all. Even the tests did not pass. How much time will it take? 5 years? or 10 years?

[Vadim237]

Given the modular design of the Angara 3, they will do it in the shortest time.

[Cannonball]

There are big doubts about this. After all, it does not even have design documentation.

[forumow]

A3 - this is A5 without two sidewalls. What can be unimaginable problems when "designing" this product ...?

[Cannonball]

There are no unimaginable problems, but this time is needed. After all, a space rocket is not a Lego constructor.

[forumow]

Quote: Cannonball

This is not a Lego constructor.

And it should be. Otherwise, this indicates a lack of technology. Complicated and do ... ak come up. Or vice versa, a very clever skull - in order to shake from the customer for each sneeze.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: forumow

Quote: Cannonball

This is not a Lego constructor.

And it should be. Otherwise, this indicates a lack of technology.

What is this nonsense?

[Cannonball]

You just don’t know how rockets are made. Especially with representatives of the military reception.

[slipped]

So A1.2 did NOT fly, A1.2PP flew. But, 9 URM-1 (three as a part of NARO, one as a part of A.12PP, five as a part of A5) and 2 URM-2. (One as a part of A.12PP and A5) FLASHED already. Now the conversation is not about that at all - the conversation is about the possibility of producing the URM-1 of proper quality in Omsk. Therefore, the ground tests of the second A5 have been taking so long - its URM-1 is already assembled there.

[sergei28]

Maybe assembled, but not made.

[slipped]

it is unclear what you meant, the URM-1 is being manufactured in Omsk, and the missile is now being assembled in Moscow, and so it will be until its flight design tests are completed and its mass production begins. URM-2 is still being manufactured in Moscow.

[forumow]

Both URM-1 and URM-2 are now being assembled in Moscow, and components for them are being made in Omsk. They were going to leave URM-2 at one time in Mosca even when the Angara became serial. But this is so ... "tail chopping" parts ...

[Cannonball]

The final assembly of the workstation is currently taking place in Moscow.

[forumow]

Didn’t I say the same thing ...?

[Cannonball]

Assembly assembly discord. URMs are collected in Omsk. In Moscow, URMs are understaffed according to their purpose.

[Cannonball]

Unfortunately, there are too many complaints about the quality of Omsk products.

[APASUS]

Already in all respects Rogozin must be imprisoned for ranting! It’s bad that there is no such article.
You would have to write fables, my friend!
By presidential decree of January 6, 1995 “On the development of the Angara missile complex”, the work on the creation of the Angara missile system was defined as work of special national importance
And still everyone is working and working, but the "Hangars" are not visible!

[Cannonball]

ARES623, do not distort, please, the concept of "golden youth" can be applied to both of them.

[KGB WATCH YOU]

Alexander Romanov,
Did you not recognize your master, whom you pray for days and nights?

[Conductor]

From from twitter will start. Plesetsk, Cap Yar, Baikonur. . East. Sea launch. Now for the Kuru. what else and where?

[the same doctor]

I can’t assess the correctness of Rogozin’s actions, but so far he hasn’t been adequate. The transition to a new rocket is fine, but if Rogozin cannot pre-build a factory with new equipment, and the rocket does not use new technologies, then this change is a waste.
.
Criteria of validity: halving the dry weight of the rocket, the availability of funds for the construction of a new plant from scratch.
.
P / S / If the Kazakhs throw us from Baikonur, then it is reasonable to think about launching missiles from a barge in the southern part of the Caspian Sea. From Samara, a barge with 4000 tons of cargo (even enough for Energy) to sail without problems ... it will be much cheaper than changing a rocket.

[voyaka uh]

"it is wise to think about launching missiles from a barge in the southern part of the Caspian Sea" ///

And where will the first steps of Protons with the remnants of super-poisonous heptyl fall?
In the sea? To Iran? To Azerbaijan?

[Rader]

Quote: voyaka uh

And where will the first steps of Protons with the remnants of super-poisonous heptyl fall?
In the sea? To Iran? To Azerbaijan?

If at sea, Gazprom lawyers will solve the problems with ecologists .
If in Iran, then they will even pay extra for this (um ... Israel ).
If in Azerbaijan, then they will even pay extra for it (um ... Armenians )
As a result, there are no problems.


P.S. This commentary is purely humorous in nature (news about the fuss around the Angara River causes only laughter and a smile, everyone has already burst into tears ...) and does not set out to offend certain nationalities and states.

[Awaz]

and Choi Jews were forbidden for Iran

[slipped]

Quote: Cannonball

A flight test department is not in nature. This is your fiction.

Emblem of the flight test department.

[sergei28]

Figured it out myself?

[slipped]

yeah of course ,

[Cannonball]

I already answered you that this division is only RKK with very narrow capabilities that concern only products developed by RKK, and even then not all of them. It does not test space rockets. Each "space" company has somewhat similar units, but they are limited in capabilities only by testing their own products.
Therefore, I say: "does not exist in nature," referring to the industry-wide flight test department.

[slipped]

I’m talking about Ivan to you, and you’re talking to me about a boob - the conversation was about creating the “Federation”, and not about the rocket for it.

[Cannonball]

"Federation" without a launch vehicle - an exhibit in the RKK Museum and no more. And your LIO will not test it without a rocket in space. This should even be understood by a preschooler.

[slipped]

And who told you that at the time of the test it will be without a rocket? Do not be friends with your head? The launch is scheduled for December 2022 and this date has not been canceled.

[Cannonball]

You are in the clouds. Today, five years may not be enough to make a new rocket. Believe my experience.

[pafegosoff]

And indeed, the Omsk “Flight” was encouraged by the “Angara”, and now it’s closed because the construction of the launch on the “East” is very expensive. Well, confiscate all the leaders and their relatives to the fifth knee! There is still enough money for the construction of Soyuz-5

[Vadim237]

No one will shut anything from Vostochny, they will launch Angara 1.2 and 5V with Russian commercial and military satellites.

[Old26]

Quote: slipped

So A1.2 did NOT fly, A1.2PP flew

Is it very different from A1.2? Or is it just a product called Angara 1.2 First Flight?

[slipped]

A1.2PP second stage - URM-2. At A1.2, the second stage is AM (aggregate module). A1.2PP is a successful attempt to test both modules at once - their joint flight and separation. In general, earlier at A1.2 they planned to use 4 missiles in LCI, it is known that two missiles for Plesetsk were ordered for the year 2020, one should fly with the Messengers, the second with a Korean satellite.

[forumow]

AM is the third stage of A1.2. The second - reduced to the main Angara diameter (2.9 m) URM-2.

[Cannonball]

Angara-1.2 has two stages - URM-1 and AM.

[forumow]

Have you seen what AM ...? If only he were on top of the URM-1 - A1.2 would have looked completely different than it is.

https://3dnews.ru/961692

[Cannonball]

Yes, I saw a real "live" flight aggregate module.
It is a detachable part of the second stage. And since the second stage does not seem to have a special name, I called the entire AM stage. In order not to get confused in the workstation.

[forumow]

Quote: Cannonball

It is a detachable part of the second stage.

And the second stage itself - a detachable part of the whole rocket)) For it, too, you can come up with some kind of new name instead of "stage". A play on words ...

[Cannonball]

Well, if you take the "Angara", then we know about URM-1, URM-2, AM. But what can one name that will stand on the light “Hangar” as the second stage? I have not yet met the official names, although it seems I should have.

[sergei28]

Storyteller with journalism

[Old26]

Quote: slipped

A1.2PP second stage - URM-2. At A1.2, the second stage is AM (aggregate module). A1.2PP is a successful attempt to test both modules at once - their joint flight and separation. In general, earlier at A1.2 they planned to use 4 missiles in LCI, it is known that two missiles for Plesetsk were ordered for the year 2020, one should fly with the Messengers, the second with a Korean satellite.

Thank. For clarification.

[Filxnumx]

And why do we need 2 middle-class missiles Soyuz-5 and Angara-3? Hens stopped biting money? Well, it would be 2 modifications of one LV: manned and cargo. One could then hope for a cheaper series because of a large percentage of unification. So, after all, there is no unification, and there is a trace between the Union and the Hangar, these are different missiles. Unclear. Can Rogozin skimp on the words in the hope of which of the competing groups will roll back more? This is already understandable, unfortunately.

[forumow]

Quote: Fil743

And why do we need 2 middle-class missiles Soyuz-5 and Angara-3?

Yas stump lowered. Resuscitation "A3" implies that there will be no "Soyuz-5". What shisha ...? The budget of Roscosmos has recently been significantly reduced. And in any case - a remake needs a really advanced project that can compete with the latest competitors in the next few decades, and not a slightly updated media from the 1980s. The Soyuz-5 project was not such, the Angara - all the more. But the latter has already been created, money and time have been spent - so we use it for now.

[Viktor Petrov]

I saw a heavy launch from Plesetsk, it went beautifully.