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Russian Defense Ministry transfers Ukrainian KrAZ vehicles to the Syrian army

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A photo appeared on the web showing the Syrian army unit, which is armed with X-NUMX-mm howitzers M-122. The guns are towing cars Ural-30. Next to them are KrAZ-4320 trucks, the bodies of which are covered with tarpaulin, writes Rossiyskaya Gazeta.




As noted by military experts, the Russian military department has long been trying to get rid of cars produced in the Ukrainian SSR at the Kremenchug plant. After the well-known events, the process of the withdrawal of Ukrainian technology accelerated.

Moreover, today these cars can be safely spoken of as outdated technology - the latest deliveries of military-wheel-drive KrAZ vehicles, according to the newspaper, came at the beginning of the 1990-s.

The Russian army has a sufficient number of these cars. Most of them are now in good condition, as they are stored in special bases. The military department is trying to implement such equipment for small money to civilian enterprises.

These trucks will not remain idle in Syria. The car is able to transport up to 12 tons of ammunition or other military equipment.

Earlier in the photographs from the SAR one could see even older cars - KrAZ-255.
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  1. flicker
    flicker 28 June 2018 15: 12
    +12
    Hmm, in Syria now no technology will be superfluous.
    1. Andrey K
      Andrey K 28 June 2018 15: 29
      +18
      Quote: flicker
      ... Hmm, in Syria now no technology will be superfluous ...

      This is still better than spending money on its storage.
      1. Serg koma
        Serg koma 28 June 2018 17: 51
        +5
        Quote: Andrey K
        This is still better than spending money on its storage.

        And for the purchase of new money are falling from the sky and there is no need to "spend"? KrAZ is an excellent UNBEATABLE machine, simple and reliable, not a single KAMAZ, or URAL manufactured today with EURO-3 engines or higher will not beat KrAZ in maintainability in the field.
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 28 June 2018 19: 03
          +19
          Quote: Serg Koma
          ... And to buy new money from the sky fall and do not need to "spend"? KrAZ is an excellent UNBEATABLE machine, simple and reliable, not a single KAMAZ or URAL manufactured today with EURO-3 engines or higher will not beat KrAZ in maintainability in the field ...

          New equipment is delivered to the troops in thousands of units. The old one is either junk or a citizen. The article is about KrAZs from storage bases. I can tell you in confidence that they are practically not used in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, they are hanging on the balance sheet and they are guzzling money for maintenance.
          You will ask about the maintainability of the non-brothers in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, at the same time take an interest in Kremenchug about the availability and possibility of supplying spare parts for equipment. At KamAZ and URAL AZ, you will be told about the power and efficiency of the engines of the car models you are comparing. I assure you, the comparison will not be in favor of KrAZ. KrAZ engines are not even yesterday, this is the last century, in the literal sense of the word.
          The really right decision is to send where they can still be of use.
          1. Serg koma
            Serg koma 28 June 2018 19: 45
            +5
            Quote: Andrey K
            New equipment is delivered to the troops in thousands of units.

            If only for free ...
            Quote: Andrey K
            hang on the balance sheet and devour money unnecessarily for maintenance.

            Interestingly, will the new storage-based equipment bring profit?
            Quote: Andrey K
            At KamAZ and URAL AZ, you will be told about the power and efficiency of the engines of the car models you are comparing.

            I agree, ICE YaMZ 238 last century, but a century designed for unpretentious fuel and lubricants, try to use Euro engines using the same fuel and oil, and then, when “there are five hundred, five hundred here” to fix the problem without special service, at least to carry out diagnostics))) ) Then, specific power, environmental friendliness, saving, etc. will come out. sideways in the 21st century.
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 28 June 2018 21: 40
              +2
              Quote: Serg Koma
              ... if free ...

              Although paid, even free. Replacement of equipment is made in any case.
              Quote: Serg Koma
              ... Interestingly, will the new technology based on storage bring profit? ...

              At least, it will not be an additional burden on the budget - for this, junk is removed from warehouses.
              Quote: Serg Koma
              ... I agree, ICE YaMZ 238 last century, but a century designed for unpretentious fuels and lubricants, try to use Euro engines using the same fuel and oil, and then, when "there are five hundred, five hundred here" to fix the problem without special service, and at least carry out diagnostics )))) And then power density, environmental friendliness, economy, etc. will come out. sideways in the 21st century ...

              Try to find “unpretentious” fuel and lubricants for KrAZ in the 21st century. This "unpretentious" I saw several times in the mountains of Chechnya, sold in 10 liter bottles - the bourdomme of local underground refineries. The same thing is happening in Syria now. Large state oil refineries were destroyed during the database, the market was flooded with various kinds of counterfeit products. So KrAZ will prove itself in all its glory. Moreover, you say - they are unpretentious to fuel quality.
              Good luck.
          2. BecmepH
            BecmepH 29 June 2018 06: 20
            +1
            Quote: Andrey K
            . At KamAZ and URAL AZ, you will be told about the power and efficiency of the engines of the car models you are comparing.

            Yeah)) That, then at the KamAZ YaMZ put with pleasure
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 29 June 2018 09: 57
              0
              Quote: BecmepH
              ... Yeah)) That, then at KAMAZ YaMZ put with pleasure ...

              Let them put with pleasure at least “Chrysler”, at least “Rolls-Royce” is an amateur.
              The plant put these engines for a short time - it suddenly turned out that the engine was 1,5 times more voracious than its own, and in the highlands in first gear it simply breaks the gearbox.
        2. svp67
          svp67 29 June 2018 13: 54
          +1
          Quote: Serg Koma
          not a single KAMAZ or URAL manufactured today with engines of EURO-3 and higher will beat KrAZ in maintainability in the field.

          For the army, all engines go EURO-0
      2. major147
        major147 28 June 2018 20: 05
        +1
        Quote: Andrey K
        Quote: flicker
        ... Hmm, in Syria now no technology will be superfluous ...

        This is still better than spending money on its storage.

        Yes, and "with a black sheep, even a tuft of wool" (c)
  2. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 28 June 2018 15: 12
    +10
    This is normal for disposal, and Syrians are profitable and it’s not too expensive for ours.
    1. Sandor Clegane
      Sandor Clegane 28 June 2018 15: 31
      +4
      Quote: Alexey-74
      as well as the Syrians profitable and ours is not unprofitable.

      not expensive? and when they bought loot - they serviced - repaired - delivered? and then they gave me (for free) they would give me one, I would say thank you so much
      1. Non liberoid Russian
        Non liberoid Russian 28 June 2018 15: 41
        +5
        but why did you decide that for free?
        1. Sandor Clegane
          Sandor Clegane 28 June 2018 16: 17
          +3
          Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
          but why did you decide that for free?

          in Russian they SOLD - it’s for money, but transferred - it’s type for eternal use
          1. Victor March 47
            Victor March 47 28 June 2018 19: 37
            +1
            Quote: Sandor Clegane
            Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
            but why did you decide that for free?

            in Russian they SOLD - it’s for money, but transferred - it’s type for eternal use

            Don't we have anything from a presence in Syria? From there, we can calmly threaten all of NATO. The Mediterranean Sea is becoming quite habitable and we are there on the LAWFUL foundations acquired, in particular, by the gifted KAMAZ trucks.
          2. Non liberoid Russian
            Non liberoid Russian 28 June 2018 19: 38
            +1
            when you see the conditions of the transfer, then yell, but for now you are an ordinary air shaker who decided to hype in his conjectures
      2. askort154
        askort154 28 June 2018 15: 54
        +11
        Sandor Clegane ....I would have passed one, I would say many thanks

        In diesel fuel go broke.
        1. DMB_95
          DMB_95 28 June 2018 16: 23
          +1
          Quote: askort154
          Sandor Clegane ....I would have passed one, I would say many thanks

          In diesel fuel go broke.

          Yes, the engine is voracious. Although hardly fuel there is more expensive than ours.
      3. Fitter65
        Fitter65 28 June 2018 16: 08
        +4
        Quote: Sandor Clegane
        and when they bought loot - they serviced - repaired - delivered? and then they gave me (for free) they would give me one, I would say thank you so much

        And they bought it under the Union, therefore, these KrAZ trucks in principle donated, and even “gratuitous” gifts always pay off ... Well, they donated to the account, so try to get to the nearby sale of military property. pay an almost symbolic amount and get an almost new, no-go, symbolically-efficient car. laughing
        1. Sandor Clegane
          Sandor Clegane 28 June 2018 16: 19
          +3
          Quote: Fitter65
          pay almost a symbolic amount

          belay nifiga yourself symbolic, read the second year I look at sales from warehouses
          Quote: askort154
          In diesel fuel go broke.

          laughing there would be a horse, and we will find hay, the forest can be transported from the forest where the roads are the direction
      4. Pivasik
        Pivasik 28 June 2018 16: 17
        0
        Why do you need such a car? Share it
        1. Sandor Clegane
          Sandor Clegane 28 June 2018 16: 26
          +2
          Quote: Pivasik
          Why do you need such a car? Share it

          I can rent a piece of forest and, as a result, I need to take it out 20 km through the swamp forests one way. For these purposes, he would be suitable
      5. Piramidon
        Piramidon 28 June 2018 16: 45
        +5
        Quote: Sandor Clegane
        I would have been given one, I would have said many thanks

        Forgot to cry about unfortunate pensioners and orphans who could be transported at KrAZ.
        1. Sandor Clegane
          Sandor Clegane 28 June 2018 16: 50
          +1
          Quote: Piramidon
          Forgot to cry about unfortunate retirees

          you did it and by the way flood - a warning!
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 28 June 2018 17: 43
            0
            Quote: Sandor Clegane
            you did it and by the way flood - a warning!

            Already admins complained? And yours - "I would have been given one ..." You do not consider flood?
            1. Sandor Clegane
              Sandor Clegane 28 June 2018 18: 04
              +1
              Quote: Piramidon
              Already admins complained?

              on the topic not to say what? and I don’t give trolls on Thursdays
              1. major147
                major147 28 June 2018 20: 07
                0
                Angry you ....
  3. Logall
    Logall 28 June 2018 15: 13
    +10
    Once I worked in the Central Economic Community in Kolyma: the Japanese came to us and when they saw KrAZ opening their mouths they said in a half-whisper: "kraaaaaazzzzzzssss" ...
    The Japs looked at the car as metal, which needs to be melted into a Toyota ...
    And a little earlier, the Japanese bought KrAZ for scrap!
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 28 June 2018 15: 19
      +2
      Quote: Logall
      And a little earlier, the Japanese bought KrAZ for scrap!
      Machines bought up too.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 June 2018 15: 23
        +1
        In principle, the machine is a hard worker, a soldier, only eats hoo how much! Her time has come to go under the replacement.
        1. MPN
          MPN 28 June 2018 15: 29
          +8
          Quote: rocket757
          In principle, the machine is a hard worker, a soldier, only eats hoo how much!

          It was created according to the same standards as all Soviet cars of that time, the customer’s fuel consumption suited ... Times are changing, yes this is why
          Quote: rocket757
          Her time has come to go under the replacement.
          1. Victor March 47
            Victor March 47 28 June 2018 19: 44
            +1
            Quote: MPN
            customer’s fuel consumption suited ..

            That's for sure. When gasoline cost less soda. In the evenings, the leftovers from the tanks were poured, so that in the morning it would refuel normally. Try not to exhaust the limits, then they will cut it off for the next period. which is foolishly not destroyed.
        2. major147
          major147 28 June 2018 20: 09
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          In principle, the machine is a hard worker, a soldier, only eats hoo how much! Her time has come to go under the replacement.

          You probably forgot about the “Urals” on 92 m gasoline.
    2. dvina71
      dvina71 28 June 2018 15: 20
      +14
      Quote: Logall
      And a little earlier, the Japanese bought KrAZ for scrap!

      Well, how much can you retell this nonsense! ? Soviet Krazy was appreciated all over the world where roads are bad or not .. for cross-country ability, maintainability and reliability .. Japan doesn’t need such machines in any way, nor metal.
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 28 June 2018 16: 17
        0
        Soviet dump trucks in England as KrAZ became BelAZ
    3. lis-ik
      lis-ik 28 June 2018 15: 33
      +5
      Quote: Logall
      Once I worked in the Central Economic Community in Kolyma: the Japanese came to us and when they saw KrAZ opening their mouths they said in a half-whisper: "kraaaaaazzzzzzssss" ...
      The Japs looked at the car as metal, which needs to be melted into a Toyota ...
      And a little earlier, the Japanese bought KrAZ for scrap!

      In the USSR, when he studied at Avtodorozhnoye, this was exactly what they told us that the Japanese bought them for scrap, but it seems to me that these are tales.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 June 2018 15: 43
        +9
        The machine has the most reliable drives, bridges .... crawls through terrible mud with a full and even greater load, while remaining operational! This cannot be taken away from him. True, the manufacture was Soviet, now I do not know.
        Where necessary, the car will work, outlast many famous brands!
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 28 June 2018 16: 46
          +7
          Quote: rocket757
          the car will work, outlast many famous brands!

          After the army, I worked for five years at KrAZ. The machine is as simple as scrap, and just as reliable. goodA "lapporteur" on patency is finally a beast.
        2. 1c-inform-city
          1c-inform-city 28 June 2018 23: 14
          0
          Sorry, but all-wheel drive request Compared to the Urals, Craz th sucks. I speak as a person who served in the author as a driver and dealt with both. Kraz, unlike the Urals, managed to sit on bridges just in a soggy field (constantly), cars and drivers are different. I had to pull out even a shishiga and UAZ. He is on wet ground like a cow on ice. Probably not the geometry of the body (like KAMAZ with a long base and short) hi
      2. You Vlad
        You Vlad 28 June 2018 16: 53
        +1
        Quote: lis-ik
        In the USSR, when he studied at Avtodorozhnoye, this was exactly what they told us that the Japanese bought them for scrap, but it seems to me that these are tales.

        Is pure metal cheaper to buy?
    4. sergei28
      sergei28 28 June 2018 16: 11
      0
      Do not tell "fairy tales with a beard."
    5. Fitter65
      Fitter65 28 June 2018 16: 26
      +3
      Quote: Logall
      And a little earlier, the Japanese bought KrAZ for scrap!

      Tales of the Vienna Forest. Well, or another nonsense of the Cold War. Japan does not appear in KrAZ car buyers, but in the UK they worked under the BelAZ brand. Moreover, KrAZ-256B dump trucks also worked during the construction of the tunnel under the English Channel ... But to Japan ... There was another myth about how in the late 70s they bought a batch of Japanese Mitsubishi, everything under the seals, maintenance and repair only by Japanese specialists but one driver on the Tynda-Neryungri highway was forced to crawl under the hood, but it turned out that these cars turned out to be KrAZ trucks with a converted cab. Different tales went ...
    6. Serg koma
      Serg koma 28 June 2018 18: 05
      0
      Quote: Logall
      The Japs looked at the car as metal, which needs to be melted into a Toyota ...

      I don’t know where and what you worked for, but I operated Komatsu-Nissan KNWF12T cars
      By weight and capacity, the car is one in one KrAZ. So you probably heard tales about metal for Toyota from "eyewitnesses".
  4. Apollo
    Apollo 28 June 2018 15: 23
    +1
    Quote: Logall
    And a little earlier, the Japanese bought KrAZ for scrap!

    Not only KRAZ, bought up a tractor. But the trouble is that they bought for a penny, and the USSR announced this as a demand for Soviet engineering products. Although by its characteristics KRAZ was far from the leaders of European and American engineering.
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 28 June 2018 15: 36
      +8
      They only wanted to buy MTZ tractors, but after the delivery of the first hundred pieces they changed their minds. They bought in the end from the Romanians. Machine tools are still working. They sold them to Japan not so much .. a hundred a year, which destroys the legend of scrap metal.
      KrAZ .. four-wheel drive is not worse than the American analogue .. it doesn’t even have a heater .., but Amer didn’t stand by the cross.
    2. Fitter65
      Fitter65 28 June 2018 17: 07
      +3
      Quote: Apollo
      Not only KRAZ, bought up a tractor. But the trouble is that they bought for a penny, and the USSR announced this as a demand for Soviet engineering products

      How interesting it is to read the comment of people completely lacking even basic knowledge about what they are commenting on. Just quotes ...
      According to the reference book “Foreign Trade of the USSR”, in record year 1978, almost 388 thousand passenger cars worth 555 million rubles were sold abroad. Thus, the average price of one car that went for export was only 1430 rubles. Disassembled "Muscovites" went to the Bulgarians and at all at 1193 rubles per car kit. The average export price of a Soviet motorcycle is only 311 rubles. But the average price of a bus in 1978 was about 5365 rubles, and the price of a truck was about 10 thousand rubles.

      In 1968, journalists from the Swedish Teknikens Varld drove 408 km in two days on the serial 1240th Moskvich along the worst roads they could find and with the highest loads they could come up with. “The car didn’t go fast, but softly,” the Swedes wrote, “but the synchronizers in the box didn’t always work clearly ... We went through special sections of the Swedish rally, drove along trails trodden by animals ... We never managed to break the car.”

      For many years Moskvich was considered the most exported Soviet car. The peak of popularity came in the 60s. Abroad, production was even organized. The large-unit assembly was carried out by Belgium (at the plants of Scaldia – Volga SA), Sweden and Bulgaria ...

      As for the total number of motor vehicles delivered from the USSR abroad, in the decade it has more than doubled - from 71700 units in 1960 to 153200 in 1970. Including approximately 85 thousand cars, 34 thousand trucks, 22 thousand motorcycles.

      About other machinery and equipment that was bought from the USSR “for the sake of laughing” for too lazy to look ... Well, about the fact that Russia is buying for the sake of “laughing”, Lawns, URALs, KamAZ, there are Su-27/30/35, SuperJets, Mi-8 / 17/171, Mi-26, and Americans buy RD-180 rocket engines for humorous shows, how they mock so much at once they send them in metal ... laughing
      (for the general development, prices are quoted in foreign rubles, which was different from the Soviet one, and in terms of purchasing power it simply stands at the space height with the current Russian one)
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 29 June 2018 03: 44
        0
        Quote: Fitter65
        Well, about the fact that Russia for the sake of "laughing" buy
        For the sake of laughter: Ural motorcycles go strictly over the hill. The prices are such that the buyer can be convicted in a severe form of filial.
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 29 June 2018 11: 55
          0
          Quote: Simargl
          For the sake of laughter: Ural motorcycles go strictly over the hill. The prices are such that the buyer can be convicted in a severe form of filial.

          Well, I'm talking about too. Buying a new motorcycle in Russia has become a problem, just like in the 70-80s under the Union ...
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 29 June 2018 21: 45
            0
            Quote: Fitter65
            Buy a new motorcycle in Russia has become a problem
            What is the problem? 650-800 thousand rubles. and new Urals Your.
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 30 June 2018 01: 30
              0
              Paying is not a problem, waiting for the brand new Ural to be mine takes a long time. My friend ordered it back in late January, he says that he is already on the way. The queue for the purchase of this vehicle as in the Union. Yes, and now the price of the Urals, it is easier to buy a new NIVA, and even the second will. good
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 30 June 2018 03: 03
                0
                Quote: Fitter65
                Yes, and now the price of the Urals

                Quote: Simargl
                The prices are such that the buyer can be convicted in a severe form of filial.
  5. gukoyan
    gukoyan 28 June 2018 15: 23
    +5
    Lucky Syrians, cool car.
  6. Vita vko
    Vita vko 28 June 2018 15: 25
    +4
    In connection with the re-equipment in Russia, a huge amount of equipment is dispatched to warehouses, which has been lacking there since the days of the USSR. Of course, a lot of this equipment could be useful in Syria, if it would be possible to provide an adequate level of weapon control. It is no secret that at the beginning of the war most of the weapons were seized by terrorists in government warehouses.
    1. sergei28
      sergei28 28 June 2018 16: 13
      +1
      crazy thoughts ... "a huge amount is sent to warehouses"
  7. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 28 June 2018 15: 37
    0
    Syria - as a landfill for the disposal of a large amount of trash from Russian households and arsenals. A very interesting topic for a separate article .. I give the idea for free ..
  8. faiver
    faiver 28 June 2018 15: 44
    +3
    here it was necessary to insert about Ukraine laughing
    kraz normal car for places where a regular truck will not pass ... hi
  9. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 28 June 2018 15: 59
    +6
    In our KrAZ brigade there were mothballed along with trailers for transporting TPK S-300V missiles in the park. The movement of such a column in wartime in science is a whole military operation))). "Beast Machine" in the best Soviet sense of the word ..!) good
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 28 June 2018 16: 24
    +1
    Now KAMAZ has covered all the niches of trucks. 8x8,6x6,4x4. and for motors 220-420 hp
  11. Hey
    Hey 28 June 2018 16: 52
    0
    Next to them are KrAZ-250 trucks, whose bodies are covered with tarpaulin, Rossiyskaya Gazeta writes.

    How does this "Messenger of Mordovia" miss such news?
  12. Radio_wave
    Radio_wave 28 June 2018 17: 40
    0
    It seems like in the photo 260 and not 250 wink
  13. alexmach
    alexmach 28 June 2018 17: 44
    0
    In addition, today you can safely talk about these machines as obsolete equipment.

    And why are they out of date? Climate control is missing or what?
  14. Ranxackiran
    Ranxackiran 28 June 2018 19: 46
    0
    Selling obsolete equipment is a lucrative business.
    Funds from the sale are most likely to go to modernization, the creation of new weapons.
    It is necessary to get rid of the old technology, as for me, the decision is right.
  15. sergosam
    sergosam 28 June 2018 21: 03
    +5
    While in Syria on a business trip in the eighties, I saw new KrAZ trucks standing in the field, fenced with barbed wire, there were 500 pieces in each parking lot. Such parking often came across. Somehow, an air valve flew at our KrAZ, we didn’t have it in the military units, went to the Arabs, asked permission to remove the ones that are standing from KrAZ. They rested for a long time, but in the end they agreed that we would change the clutch on one KrAZ, and they would allow us to remove the valve for this. When asked why they have KrAZ trucks, their officer who graduated from the Ryazan Automobile School, and did not speak Russian badly, said that KrAZ trucks were delivered to them along with weapons, according to the state, they did not need them in the long run, since the soldiers were pretty , the steering wheel is large, there is no power to twist. The car itself is healthy, but it’s of little use, the tank does not pull, it eats a lot of diesel fuel, it’s hot in the car, it is passable only on hard ground. They in the Tatra army had three axle, airborne tanks dragged on trawls. At KrAZ, the mileage was no more than 2000km, almost all had a clutch burned. They could not change themselves, they drove to a plant in Damascus. When we changed the clutch in the field, they were shocked that three soldiers could repair it in the field. Man 50, climbed him and let's drive across the field.
    And my personal opinion is that the KrAZ -255 is, to put it mildly, g ... but. In winter, I barely grabbed a snowball on the side of the road or in dirt and flew into the ditch, you can’t change the wheel alone to replace the camera, it was generally a problem, it’s cold in the cabin in winter, it’s hot in summer, you can barely keep it on the road over 40 km / h, everything shakes. When towing a tie you won’t throw either a cable or a rigid tug, but someone should sit behind the wheel, steer, and imagine in winter when the engine is not working, and try to steer in the summer. Maybe I exaggerate, but I served in parts of the SA for more than 10 years, where the main car was the KrAZ-255 B / V and I have an idea of ​​all the pros and cons of this car.
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 29 June 2018 05: 34
      +1
      Quote: sergosam
      about all the pros and cons of this car


      With skillful hands, more pluses. I think so.

      The brother came from the felling and told:

      Taiga, winter, minus 40. Somewhere on the mountain river, the 131st fell over. What to do? And in Arton are two 255s. They put the prisoner in the rapper and forward. He is in two quilted jackets with kerosene. The glass warms up. Zombie.


      Minus! This is already half the plus. When sometimes it happens that the plus is as much as TWO minuses. *

      hi
  16. Vanek
    Vanek 29 June 2018 05: 24
    +1
    today we can safely talk about these machines as obsolete equipment

    The car may be, yes, old (obsolete).

    But reliable.
  17. Lieutenant colonel
    Lieutenant colonel 29 June 2018 09: 47
    0
    But TZM on their basis - were good for a tank company on the T-80. Yes, with a trailer - a sweet deal. A company to the eyeballs. Urals in the company more need unfortunately. I never understood - why ours will not block the niche of the Krazov in the army? Although now KAMAZ is trying (although products from Mias have always been closer to me, the Uralovskys “love” are always forever in love).
  18. Zomanus
    Zomanus 30 June 2018 02: 17
    0
    Yes, and right. There is a war of such a level and in such conditions,
    where simple and reliable equipment is required.