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How to rearm BMP-2

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In 1977, the newest infantry fighting vehicle, the BMP-2, was commissioned by the Soviet army, designed to supplement and then replace the existing equipment of its class. BMP-2 remain in service until now and now form the basis of the fleet of protected vehicles for the transportation and fire support of infantry. However, this technique is morally obsolete and no longer fully meets current requirements. To improve the basic characteristics and combat qualities, it needs a certain modernization. In particular, the replacement of weapons and related systems.


Basic sample and its disadvantages

In the basic configuration, the BMP-2 is equipped with a turret with anti-bullet armor on which all weapon systems are mounted. The main weapons The machine is a 30mm 2A42 automatic gun mounted on a stabilized installation. The PKT machine gun with a caliber of 7,62 mm is paired with a cannon. A horizontal tip was provided horizontally and vertically from -5 ° to + 74 °. Ammunition belts are located inside the fighting compartment: they contain 500 rounds for a gun and 2000 rounds for a machine gun. In case of collision with tanks The BMP-2 can carry a launcher from the 9K111 Bassoon or 9K111-1 Konkurs anti-tank complex with four missiles. On the sides of the tower were two blocks of smoke grenade launchers.


BMP-2 in the original configuration. Photo by Vitalykuzmin.net


The jobs of the commander and the armament operator are equipped with advanced surveillance tools that meet the requirements of their time. So, at the disposal of the operator-gunner there is a combined sight of the type BPK-1-42 or BPK-2-42, used for shooting day and night. In the latter case, the scope is used in conjunction with the illuminator OU-5. The commander’s workplace is equipped with viewing instruments and an 1P3-3 sight, providing guidance for ground and airborne weapons.

By the standards of the late seventies and the near future, the BMP-2 had very powerful weapons that allowed it to fight a wide range of targets at ranges up to several kilometers. The maximum firing range of ATGW, depending on its type, reached 2-4 km. The effective range of the automatic cannon in terms of manpower was determined at the level of 4 km, and for lightly armored vehicles - up to 1,5 km. The slant range to the aerial target was limited to 2-2,5 km.

However, equipment and weapons developed, as a result of which the potential of the BMP-2 significantly decreased. Some features of this car, previously considered acceptable, have become significant shortcomings, and the available capabilities no longer meet the requirements of the time. As a result, various improvements were needed that affected various elements of the machine. First of all, the armament complex was being developed.


Established tower. Photo by Vitalykuzmin.net


Given the capabilities of the Soviet light armored vehicles, the likely adversary was modifying his vehicles. As a result, since a certain time, the 30-mm automatic gun 2А42 has ceased to pose a special threat to the enemy. Available missiles with armor penetration to 700-800 mm no longer allowed to fight with new tanks. Finally, to use the ATGM, the crew had to manually place the container with the missile on the launcher, leaving the protected volume and being exposed to known risks.

BMP with an automatic grenade launcher

At the end of the eighties, a variant was proposed of a minor modernization of the BMP-2 machines, which allowed them to significantly increase their potential in the fight against manpower. The existing system of barrel weapons should be supplemented with an automatic AG-17 “Flame” grenade launcher. It is noteworthy that this project did not require special processing of the base machine, and any BMP could become carriers of grenade launchers.

In the stern of the turret, on the back sheet on the left, it was proposed to place a simple installation with fixtures for a serial grenade launcher. There was also a box for a tape with 250 grenade launchers. The horizontal guidance of the weapon was carried out by turning the entire turret, virtually synchronously with the main gun mount. For vertical laying, the grenade launcher received an uncomplicated drive in the form of a thrust connecting the swinging unit and one of the sights. Impedance controlled by commander or gunner

How to rearm BMP-2
Installation diagram for AG-17 mounted on the stern of the tower. 1 - armor cover; 2 - articulated support; 3 - thrust; 4 - ROM-5 sight. Figure Btvt.info


A grenade launcher could fire in bursts and attack targets at ranges up to 1700. The VOG-17 shot at blasting formed a cloud of debris with a continuous defeat of manpower in 7 radius. , and at long distances will help the automatic gun 17А2.

In the late eighties, a new modification of the BMP-2 was adopted by the Soviet army. Soon the Kurgan Machine-Building Plant, which built such equipment, retrofitted a number of serial machines with new installations and grenade launchers. According to different sources, such an update has passed no more than a few dozen BMPs. In the future, the release of such a modification stopped.

"Bakhcha" for BMP

At the very end of the nineties, a new version of the re-equipment of the BMP-2 was proposed. In order to radically increase firepower when attacking various objects, it was proposed to unify the armament of this vehicle with the BMP-3. The project of the Tula Instrument Design Bureau meant the removal of the BMP-2 tower with its replacement by the Bakhcha-U universal combat module. At one time, this version of the infantry fighting vehicle was called the BMP-2M.


Battle module "Bakhcha-U". Photo KBP / kbptula.ru


The Bakhcha-U module is an armored turret with a turret basket, equipped with a set of barreled and rocket weapons, as well as controls. All weapons module assembled a single unit of weapons. It includes a 100-mm cannon launcher 2A70, 30-mm automatic cannon and PKT machine gun. The tower is full turnaround; the weapon unit swings from -6 ° to + 60 °. On the zygomatic sheets of the dome of the tower there are two blocks of smoke grenade launchers.

The weapon unit is mated with an automatic loader for the 100-mm cannon and means of supplying ammunition to other weapons. The 34 100 caliber mm and 4 9X116 “Kastet” missiles launched through the 2X70 barrel are placed in the “Bakhchi-U” packs. The 2А72 cannon ammunition consists of 250 shells, a PKT machine gun - 2000 cartridges.

"Bakhcha-U" is completed with a panoramic commanding sight with day and night channels, as well as a laser rangefinder. The gunner has similar equipment, but in his sight there is a laser channel to control anti-tank missiles. Arms control is facilitated by automated systems.

Using barrel weapons, the BMP-2 with the Bakhchoy-U is capable of attacking targets at distances up to 4 km. The use of modern missiles complex 9K116 allows you to increase the firing zone to 5 km. Missiles are able to penetrate up to 800 mm of homogeneous armor. High-explosive projectiles of two cannons of different caliber are effective against manpower and various buildings.


Prototype BMP-2 with module "Bakhcha-U". Photos Otvaga.narod.ru


The Bakhcha-U combat module, depending on the configuration and some design features, can weigh from 3,6 to 3,98 t. Its installation on the BMP-2 chassis leads to some unpleasant consequences. Thus, Bakhcha-U reduces the volume of the troop compartment and leads to the removal of a couple of places for soldiers. In addition, it makes the machine as a whole heavier, so that it can no longer float.

At the beginning of the last decade, domestic enterprises built an experienced BMP-2М with the Bakhcha-U module. This prototype was tested, and also participated in several exhibitions. Nevertheless, all the efforts of the project developers were useless. Despite the active promotion of new development, potential customers are not interested in them. Experienced car attracted the attention of exhibition visitors, but no more. The Russian army did not order the updated equipment, continuing the operation of the existing one.

BMP with "Berezhk"

Almost simultaneously with the previous project, another version of the modernization of the serial BMP-2 was proposed. This time it was planned to improve the characteristics of the equipment with the help of the combat module B05YA01 "Berezhok", also developed by the Instrument Engineering Design Bureau. Curiously, this version of the upgrade of armored vehicles was also designated as the BMP-2M. At the same time, unlike another project, he retained this name to our time.


Battle module B05YA01 "Berezhok". Photo KBP / kbptula.ru


For the first time, the Berezhok module was introduced in the mid-2000s, and soon became the subject of an export contract. The Russian army until a certain time showed no interest in such a product. Since then, the existing B05X01 module has undergone some updating and, after fulfilling all relevant requirements, was again offered to the Russian Ministry of Defense.

Both externally and in terms of its equipment, the new Berehok is similar to the BMP-2 full-time tower. It is also built on the basis of a conical dome and accommodates a variety of systems. In the frontal embrasure of the dome is mounted installation with an automatic gun 2А42 and machine gun PKTM. The pointing angles generally correspond to the base units of the BMP-2. On the stern of the roof of the tower is mounted a new installation with an automatic AG grenade launcher. Its basis is a large box for a tape with shots, on which there is a support for the rocking part with a grenade launcher. On the sides of the dome there are two twin launchers of guided missiles of the Kornet complex, covered with light armor shields. On the forehead - a pair of smoke grenade launchers.

The ammunition of the automatic cannon includes 500 shells, for the machine gun there are 2000 cartridges. In the box under the automatic grenade launcher transported 300 grenades in the tape. ATGM has four missiles. Depending on the type of missiles used, the BMP-2M with Berezhk is capable of hitting targets at ranges up to 8-10 km. Penetration - mm 1200-1300 for dynamic protection. The firing range of the gun and machine gun remained the same. A grenade launcher strikes manpower at distances to 2100 m.


Experienced BMP-2 with Berezhk. Photo KBP / kbptula.ru


On the roof of the turret, near the stern, there is a commander’s panoramic sight with all the necessary channels, including a laser range finder. Also on the roof, but in front, a similar gunner-operator device fits. This device also has the function of controlling a flying rocket using a laser beam. The weapon control system includes a weapon stabilizer, a target tracking machine, a ballistic computer and other devices for various purposes. OMS provides the use of all available weapons. In this case, the simultaneous launch of two missiles on one target.

Product B05YA01 "Berezhok", depending on the configuration, weighs from 2850 to 3250 kg. Thus, such a combat module does not significantly affect the total mass of the upgraded BMP-2 and does not deprive it of its existing qualities.

The choice of military

As already mentioned, in the middle of the last decade, the Berezhok module became the subject of an export contract. The Russian army, however, was in no hurry to order such equipment. The situation changed only a few years ago, in the first half of this decade. The Defense Ministry showed interest in Berezhka, and soon he got real prospects. An improved module began to be shown at exhibitions, and optimistic reports appeared in the media.

Finally, a full-fledged new technology modernization project was developed. The current project BMP-2М primarily provides for the installation of the B05X01 module in its modern configuration. In addition, the equipment is planned to be equipped with high power UTD-23 engines - HP 370. For comparison, the base engine of the UTD-20C1 machine develops only 300 hp. The increase in power will compensate for a slight increase in mass and maintain the desired mobility.


Module B05Я01 on the exhibition sample BMP-2. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


Not so long ago it became known that the army ordered the first batch of upgraded BMP-2M. 16 vehicles with new engines and weapons before the end of the year will have to go to one of the tank divisions of the ground forces. After a comprehensive study in parts, a decision will be made on the future fate of the project. When receiving positive results, the army will continue to upgrade equipment.

According to various sources, about 3,5 of thousands of infantry fighting vehicles of the BMP-2 type are currently being used in the Russian armed forces. About 1500 units of such equipment is in storage. All these machines belong to the basic modification, and therefore far from fully comply with current requirements. At the same time, the army is not yet able to replace the entire fleet with modern equipment and will be forced to continue its operation. To reduce the known risks of the army, waiting for a completely new car, will have to upgrade existing ones.

After several decades of searching for solutions and developing projects, the Russian army has chosen the most interesting and profitable way to modernize the existing equipment. In the foreseeable future, a full-scale serial modernization of the existing BMP-2 can develop, as a result of which the fleet of such vehicles will receive new combat capabilities and will be able to more fully meet the requirements of the times.

On the materials of the sites:
http://tass.ru/
http://ria.ru/
http://btvt.info/
http://otvaga.narod.ru/
http://kbptula.ru/
http://russianarms.ru/
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  1. Nix1986
    Nix1986 27 June 2018 07: 21
    +2
    She has trouble booking, the sense of armament, if it is flashed sideways 14,5. At least to the level of bmp2d brought the rest of the cars.
    1. venik
      venik 27 June 2018 08: 31
      +1
      Quote: Nix1986
      She has trouble booking, the sense of armament, if it is flashed sideways 14,5. At least to the level of bmp2d brought the rest of the cars.

      =========
      This is not a problem !! PMP-2D - NOT FLOATING !!! At the same time booking is also - "not ah"!!!!
      1. Nix1986
        Nix1986 27 June 2018 08: 42
        +2
        Well, at least the crew and the landing force are covered from small arms, the lattices are welded and the protection from the RPG is poor, and even the shack, super weapons and armored landing :)))
        1. Beltasir matyagu
          Beltasir matyagu 27 June 2018 09: 14
          +3
          I think it is possible to hang rubber-metal sandwiches on it, and dynamic protection modules, this should not weigh very much, and the reservation will grow three times when fired by small and small-caliber shells, and the dynamic one will add. Still, it would be easy to develop an active one for him in the bmp-btr-bmd modification. The truth will have to slightly strengthen the rollers and chassis and put the engine harder to drive briskly. All of this should be easy to install and replace. This is the main thing. But survivability and efficiency will reach a fundamentally new level
          1. Nix1986
            Nix1986 27 June 2018 09: 19
            +2
            very expensive for ordinary motorbikes. And so as not to say so directly, they will say that they will not be able to swim.
            1. venik
              venik 27 June 2018 14: 50
              0
              Quote: Nix1986
              very expensive for ordinary motorbikes. And so as not to say so directly, they will say that they will not be able to swim.

              =========
              But EXACTLY "CAN'T" !!! So it will turn out: "It can’t swim, but for a purely land theater (like Syria or Afghanistan) - the defense is" dead "!!!!
      2. demiurg
        demiurg 27 June 2018 08: 46
        +3
        If someone cannot live without buoyancy, it is possible to transfer to BMP-3 assault brigades. At the same time, stamp the octopus and hosts on the same chassis. There are enough assault brigades to force rivers. Get an analogue of the brigade on the strikers.
        And the usual infantry transplanted in TBMP. 15-20 thousand cases of T-72 and T-80 to convert into infantry vehicles.
        1. cariperpaint
          cariperpaint 27 June 2018 10: 07
          +1
          Well, well))) 15-20 thousand
          1. demiurg
            demiurg 27 June 2018 14: 36
            +3
            We now have 3500 BMP-1 and 2 in the army and about 4000 armored personnel carriers, including MTLB. For 2017, 7000 T-72 of all modifications were stored, plus 3000 T-80 and 2000 T-64.
            Given the fact that many armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles simply carry staff and do not participate in the database directly, even the T-72 corps would be enough for the eyes to create heavy brigades.
            1. cariperpaint
              cariperpaint 27 June 2018 14: 47
              +2
              I did not say anything about the assault, now you are talking about the heavy ones .. what are you talking about?)))
              1. demiurg
                demiurg 27 June 2018 18: 53
                +3
                So do you believe that DShB will land with IL-76? With shells and BMD-3 against Bradley and Abrams? And with the towed D-30 as artillery.
                And if the main type of landing is from helicopters, then the usual infantry in the exercises is already practicing landing from helicopters.

                As a true sofa theorist, I believe that the army needs brigades on a single tank chassis. You can call them heavy, you can shock or assault. Although for Russia, the most appropriate name is drums. At least a couple of such brigades should be in the Far East, the Caucasus, and Kaliningrad.
                1. Sweetheart
                  Sweetheart 27 June 2018 19: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: demiurg
                  Caucasus

                  Have you been to the mountains of Sevkavkaz?
                  Have you seen the roads in the mountains?
                  So from experience - except MTLB.MTLBu, ATS -59 in other places. Nothing else goes.
                  To have heavy brigades ... yes, in general, you need to get away from this turbidity with brigades. The division and regiments are something that is run-in and needed, that matches the needs. And not this dubious Serdyukov murk.
                  Why so, count how much the BTGr division will expose. With which they are fighting, how much artillery and other things it has and what this Serdyukov brigade is like ...
                  This or that structure is heavy. Medium, light, like mountain rifle. It has its own theater of application, so to speak.
                  1. Hadastus
                    Hadastus 28 June 2018 00: 03
                    +1
                    Why Serdyukovskaya? WWII pulled out on tank brigades. The Nazis merged with the regimental organization of tank troops.
                    1. Sweetheart
                      Sweetheart 28 June 2018 09: 33
                      +4
                      Quote: Hastatus
                      The Nazis merged with the regimental organization of tank troops.

                      Young man, you would have to fight in the World of Tanks, otherwise you would have learned that the CASE of the Red Army is not equal in its capabilities to the German Tank Division.
                      A brigade of the Red Army in its capabilities is inferior and significantly TP the same Germans.
                      You would know that the use of tanks is not a battle of tanks against tanks, the defeat of the Nazis, therefore another reason and it is not because they had adopted a divisional structure, but we have a brigade one.
                      The “discharge” of Germany in that war did not happen because it had regiments and divisions. Army groups, but because Germany is NOT capable of waging a war of attrition
                      http://xexe.club/110958-germaniya-proigrala-voynu
                      -osenyu-1941-go-nemeckiy-istorik-o-vtoroy-mirovoy
                      -voyne.html
                      So play the World of Tanks, Warhammer and you will be happy, do not bother with issues that are difficult for you to understand.
                      1. Hadastus
                        Hadastus 28 June 2018 12: 51
                        +2
                        The opinion of the German historian, only a consequence of the post-traumatic German syndrome, they rolled carts like "60 fatal errors of Hitler" back in the 20s. In reality, the Third Reich, without transferring the economy to war, almost completely destroyed the Red Army and did not put the USSR on the brink of defeat. If the Germans, like Stalin, immediately, in 39-40, transferred the economy to military tracks and drove old people, women and children to factories, to machines on a starvation diet, Germany would not be able to take out Britain and the USA from the USA .

                        Of course, I’m not so magnificent and rich in words, but the passage about tank brigades is a paraphrase of the authoritative military historian Alexei Isaev, who wrote in one of the books about the well-thought-out tank brigades, which became one of the keys to Soviet victories.
                      2. user
                        user 3 January 2022 16: 32
                        0
                        There is a paraphrase of the authoritative military historian Alexei Isaev, who wrote in one of his books about the thoughtfulness of tank brigades, which became one of the guarantees of Soviet victories.


                        Tank brigades in the Red Army appeared due to the impossibility of establishing control in the created mechanized corps (too large military formations requiring competent management and strong staff work at this level, which turned out to be impossible to create close interaction of all corps units at that time - i.e. the absence experience and practice). The absence of armored vehicles of all types and classes after summer losses and the evacuation of specialized enterprises also affected. The restoration of the number of tank forces took place only in the middle of 1942. Until that time, there was an endless change in the staffing table and tactics of application.
                      3. Sweetheart
                        Sweetheart 28 June 2018 20: 38
                        0
                        Quote: Hastatus
                        Opinion of the German historian

                        Well, of course .. I didn’t read it, but I don’t like the opinion of the historian and that's it, what kind of historians should you bring, so that you would understand at least something? Isaeva, MARTIROSYAN IS ENOUGH
                        Quote: The Swordsman
                        almost completely destroyed the Red Army and did not put the USSR on the brink of defeat.

                        "Exactly? Where is this being taught?"
                        Quote: Hastatus
                        If the Germans, like Stalin, immediately, in 39-40, transferred the economy to military tracks and drove old people, women and children to factories, to machines on a starvation diet, Germany would not be able to take out Britain and the USA from the USA .

                        If, however, history would have nothing to do with history.
                        Quote: The Swordsman
                        Mr. Wrote about the well-thought tank brigades, which became one of the guarantees of Soviet victories.

                        In this case, Isaev was mistaken.
    2. Alexander War
      Alexander War 27 June 2018 10: 49
      +3
      So the BTR-82A is also flashing 12.7 mm into the board, but I haven’t seen the BTR-82 A with such additional armor. In 2011, by agreement with the Russian Ministry of Defense and with the help of Russian enterprises, the armored personnel carrier with ceramic armor was manufactured and tested. The basis was taken BRDM-3, allocated by the Ministry of Defense.
      The tests were more successful than expected. With a design resistance of 14,5 mm B-32 bullets from a range of 200 m, a resistance of 10 m was actually obtained on the side projections
      1. Alexander War
        Alexander War 27 June 2018 11: 13
        +1
        Even here you can compare the BTR-80 simple and with additional booking
    3. Yrec
      Yrec 27 June 2018 15: 23
      +1
      Sideways 14,5 and the tank is stitched. But the problem is not in armament, but in its use. A gun, a machine gun, an autogranotometr and, finally, an ATGM. How many hung on the sergeant-chest of drawers? He’s still in the battle department to steer. I remember the BMP-3 very much motorized officers praised, so what? And she, too, is overloaded with weapons. An officer studies for 4-5 years, and a conscript soldier? Is there anyone who urgently rolled on an BMP-3? It’s not enough to load weapons on equipment, it is still necessary to use it wisely. And this is to the issue of replacing the gasket between the steering wheel and the seat.
      1. Nix1986
        Nix1986 27 June 2018 17: 13
        +4
        then it’s necessary to revive the Chapaev’s tachanka and hang up the helpers there, here we’ll get a dumbbell and ride with a shout laughing
    4. Yrec
      Yrec 10 August 2018 16: 21
      0
      14,5 mm to the side, even tanks are stitched. But, in general, now in battle up to 90% of armored vehicles losses from ATGMs. And against cumulative only DZ. Armor does not channel.
    5. EvilLion
      EvilLion 25 August 2018 15: 14
      0
      14.5 mm pierces almost everything except tanks. Moreover, even 12.7 mm is no longer a hand weapon.
  2. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 27 June 2018 08: 48
    0
    There was still some version with 2 ATGMs on the tower (Whirlwind or Attack)
    1. san4es
      san4es 27 June 2018 10: 06
      +4
      Quote: Zaurbek
      ... version with 2 ATGMs on the tower (Whirlwind or Attack)

      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 27 June 2018 10: 32
        +2
        There was information that it was this particular military that was adopted .... or are using it in parallel?
      2. Alexander War
        Alexander War 27 June 2018 10: 33
        +2
        Hello namesake hi Here you can compare the extra armor on the sides и
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 28 June 2018 19: 56
          0
          The funny thing is that the BMP-2M, which goes to the troops, looks seriously different from the cars that are presented in the photographs in the article.
          Here, just the photos from Tula and the latest news on them:
          https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3238477.html
  3. pepel79
    pepel79 27 June 2018 10: 44
    +2
    add. that is, the armor is tested ... but what strikes ... BZ without the commander’s thermal imager and an IFV with it request ... wonderful things ...
    1. pepel79
      pepel79 27 June 2018 10: 48
      0

      and here is the result ... hi
    2. Alexander War
      Alexander War 27 June 2018 10: 53
      +1
      Well, on the T-72 B3 there is no panoramic sight, but there is
      1. san4es
        san4es 27 June 2018 12: 40
        +1
        hi Sanya ...
        Quote: Alexander War
        Well, on the T-72 B3 there is no panoramic sight ...

        ... Tuning for Nicaragua? .. Then the "Green Eagle" Yes
        But already there .. The children to the joy
        Caption:
        50 Tanks and each of them costs $ 1,6 million, making a total of $ 80 million for 50. However, they have not spent a single dollar, since they are part of bilateral cooperation with the people of Russia.
        What are the terrible 50 New T-72 Tanks in Nicaragua and what are they for ?: Actually, I don’t know what they will be used for, but I have a dream that Guanacaste Nicoya will again be part of Nicaragua, as it was almost two hundred years old.
        Only new tanks replace old and obsolete tanks, the fleet does not actually increase. Published: Aug 19 2016 year
        1. Alexander War
          Alexander War 27 June 2018 13: 01
          +1
          Russia is a generous soul sad
    3. Alexander War
      Alexander War 27 June 2018 11: 07
      +1
      Here, by the way, near Berezhka and a panoramic sight is visible
  4. pepel79
    pepel79 27 June 2018 10: 57
    +1
    Quote: Alexander War
    Well, on the T-72 B3 there is no panoramic sight, but there is

    I’m talking about this to my colleague that things are wonderful ... hi
    1. Alexander War
      Alexander War 27 June 2018 11: 04
      +2
      Min Defense somehow everything half modernizes everything sad
    2. Alexander War
      Alexander War 27 June 2018 11: 32
      +2
      Here you can even compare the forehead of the T-72 Indus tower and Our T-72B3 2016 and our
  5. Massik
    Massik 27 June 2018 17: 02
    +1
    There are too many trunks, why an AGS if there is a gun with a machine gun and vice versa ...
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 27 June 2018 21: 04
      0
      Multiple use. With this set of weapons, any target on the battlefield is hit.
      1. Massik
        Massik 27 June 2018 22: 12
        +1
        Any hardly wink The AGS covers both the machine gun and the cannon in the infantry. It’s easier to put it normally with a lot of BC.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 28 June 2018 10: 58
          0
          AGS allows you to work on sheltered infantry. Gun and machine gun no. Missiles on tanks and bunkers / bunkers if with a thermal bar.
  6. Graz
    Graz 28 June 2018 10: 44
    +1
    instead of patching up thin pants, it would be better if you would take care of the speedy issues in the Kurgan series
    1. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 28 June 2018 19: 51
      0
      He has not passed the test. And insane attempts to shove into the army all that has not yet passed state tests in 90% ended in unnecessary losses.
      1. Graz
        Graz 28 June 2018 21: 36
        +2
        how much you can experience, 10 years chtol
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 30 June 2018 21: 33
          0
          Read how with T-64 the first 10 years toiled and how many T-34 and KV-1 were lost precisely due to malfunctions and childhood diseases.
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 25 August 2018 15: 17
      0
      For the RPG-7, they are equally plywood, and the Kurganets are even larger.
  7. Hadastus
    Hadastus 29 June 2018 12: 35
    +1
    Sweetheart,
    1. What is the number of army for 41 years? And the number of losses for 41 years is 5 million, more than a cadre army?

    2. Alternatives and discussions are quite relevant to the story. The positivistic principle, which tried to drive history through the registration of facts, has long been rejected. You probably read all Soviet textbooks.

    3. About the post-traumatic syndrome of German historians, and the memoirs of the generals all lying on Hitler, you have not heard.

    4. What do you have against Isaev? Isaev is a real military historian not climbing out of military archives. And why do you smear him with the same paint as Martirosyan, an outspoken Stalinist propagandist?
  8. Saxahorse
    Saxahorse 29 June 2018 23: 31
    +5
    Quote: Nix1986
    She has trouble booking, the sense of armament, if it is flashed sideways 14,5.

    What a strange claim. Caliber 14.5 is that an infantry weapon? If BMP PKM is already holding well, if also DShK then it's just super! But above it is to the tanks. And then they will quickly begin to complain that 125 mm uranium scrap penetrates into the board you understand ..

    BMP just showed itself perfectly in the war in Syria. No wheeled armored personnel carriers and armored cars even stand nearby. How many rollers where these tattered and punched hard workers scurry under fire, then saving it, throwing the infantry into the hottest place.
  9. EvilLion
    EvilLion 25 August 2018 15: 36
    0
    "Bakhcha-U", cool, but obviously expensive. "Berezhok", the same gun, only new sights and modularity of missile weapons, well, some plus. At the same time, whoever blathers something there, but light armored vehicles from 30 mm have practically no protection. Add. armor, obviously can be welded, 2-5 mm. Weight will be, increased wear of the engine and chassis will be, will not be able to float. Considering that the situation when an infantry fighting vehicle from 50 m is shot at the side from a Kalash arises only if you continue all the instructions on tactics, and no one will protect you from grenade launchers, then no one will do this.

    In general, a box is a box. Too numerous to replace it with something expensive, or somehow expensive to upgrade. And it is very compact so that Kurganets has no advantages at all over it. In general, there are no alternatives to it, except for the BMP-3, which can at least explode, or I don't see the BTR-82A.