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80 retired percent of the armed forces of the Armed Forces of the United States trained in Yavorov. UkroSMI data

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Ukrainian journalists and volunteers continue to publish notes about serious problems with personnel in the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​the so-called combined forces operation. This is primarily about more than a substantial understaffing of subunits and units of personnel.


So, on the pages of the Ukrainian edition Zn.ua appeared material Yury Butusov, well-known in Ukraine, in which he reflects on the topic “Why do warriors leave?” It was under such a headline that an article appeared in the media.

According to Butusov, today the Ukrainian brigades are staffed by less than half. From the material:
By the end of the rotation of the unit on the front, it is quite often possible to see a company in 40 people, or a battalion in which 200 people hold a front in 10 – 11 kilometers.


It is noted that in the reports of the command of the situation are different - it is stated about the staffing of units, which indicates the manipulation of the command data.

From the material in the Ukrainian edition:
The same people can actually serve on paper in two divisions. The number of seconded infantry on the first line can reach up to 50% of the unit.


Attention is drawn to the statement that the Ukrainian military is increasingly leaving the service, including the one that was associated with "expensive training of personnel." It is noted that after training by American and Canadian instructors at the Yavoriv training ground in the Lviv region and after a single rotation of military personnel, up to 80% of this personnel filed a report on dismissal from the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

80 retired percent of the armed forces of the Armed Forces of the United States trained in Yavorov. UkroSMI data


Data on the basis of the training of special operations forces in Berdichev (Zhytomyr region): out of 437, the servicemen who applied for courses at the time of the course completion left only 63 people left. Of these, about 40% have already left military service.

Since the beginning of 2018, about 10% of officers have left the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This leads the Ukrainian command to intensify work with reservists, who are also clearly not eager to climb into the inferno of war ignited by the Maidan authorities.

According to Butusov, one of the reasons for the abandonment of military service by the Ukrainian military is the “Soviet” principle of command and control “we have no irreplaceable” among the command forces. In general, and here the Soviet Union is to blame ...
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  1. Gorjelin
    Gorjelin 24 June 2018 07: 32
    +11
    According to Butusov, one of the reasons for the abandonment of military service by Ukrainian troops is the “Soviet” principle of “we have no irreplaceable” that is in force among the command.

    oh, and not even Putin ?!
    1. hrych
      hrych 24 June 2018 08: 53
      +11
      Quote: Gorjelin
      oh, and not even Putin ?!

      Of course the question of the Kiev region will have to be addressed
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 24 June 2018 10: 16
      +12
      If they quit "on their own," then they studied for money because of unemployment. But to die for money is another question. belay
      1. MPN
        MPN 24 June 2018 10: 38
        +8
        keep the front in 10 – 11 kilometers.
        How pathetic ..., well, the heroes are not otherwise ... Go home ... you support yourselves. You have created yourselves a front and are holding it, you would say what you can hold on to ... here you are holding on to it with both hands ...
      2. DanSabaka
        DanSabaka 24 June 2018 11: 33
        +2
        die for money?
        The same people can actually serve on paper in two divisions on paper

        it seems to me that the salary "from the second place of service" is not received by them, but by their superiors .... i.e. those who do not have money will die ...
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      4. Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich
        Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich 28 June 2018 20: 20
        +4
        Most likely, they communicated with the Pindocs at the lowest level more closely than others, and therefore they understood first and more clearly than all the others that they were destined for the fate of free cannon fodder for the sake of saving the precious lives of Pindocs, small animals, deutsche, frogs and others ...
        That's why they did NOT wait until they were packaged in wooden macs :-)))
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  3. parusnik
    parusnik 24 June 2018 07: 34
    +17
    Quit and thank God ..
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 24 June 2018 07: 40
      +7
      after training by American and Canadian instructors at the Yavoriv training ground in the Lviv region and after one single rotation of military personnel, up to 80% of this personnel filed a report on dismissal from the Armed Forces

      Rats leave a sinking ship ...
      1. hrych
        hrych 24 June 2018 08: 46
        +12
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Rats leave a sinking ship ..

        Here, Pavel Jan drinks , rats are those who stayed on the ship. 80% didn’t want to shoot at the brothers, well, of course, I don’t want to catch the bullet too much, I’ll tear off my head, where to shove the dumplings wassat
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 24 June 2018 09: 02
          +5
          Hi friend! drinks
          Quote: hrych
          I don’t really want to catch a bullet

          This option seems more plausible to me, although I cannot deny the presence of those who do not want to shoot at the brothers. And the remaining 20% ​​are likely stubborn horses with brainwashed or convinced Nazis.
          1. German1314
            German1314 25 June 2018 17: 02
            +1
            Rather, finished drug addicts, which in the drum where to "expand".
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 24 June 2018 09: 18
        +3
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        after training by American and Canadian instructors at the Yavoriv training ground in the Lviv region and after one single rotation of military personnel, up to 80% of this personnel filed a report on dismissal from the Armed Forces

        Rats leave a sinking ship ...

        No one wanted to die for the interests of others. And what about the volunteers, why the rear? All ran to the front.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 24 June 2018 09: 22
          +4
          hi
          Quote: Balu
          What are volunteers

          They only know how to portray cyber bargains in social networks and bask in raising funds for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. You’ll lure them into the front line, well, only if you quickly take a picture and put it on social networks for more convincingness.
      3. igor67
        igor67 24 June 2018 09: 38
        +2
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        after training by American and Canadian instructors at the Yavoriv training ground in the Lviv region and after one single rotation of military personnel, up to 80% of this personnel filed a report on dismissal from the Armed Forces

        Rats leave a sinking ship ...

        Why rats at once? In Soviet times, how many first-year cadets out of the total number were screened out? A lot. I watched films of beauty, but life is hard
    2. 210ox
      210ox 24 June 2018 08: 22
      +1
      I would not be so optimistic about this. These "warriors" have not gone anywhere, well, except that they will leave for work ... They will collect them if that .. Not all of course.
      Quote: parusnik
      Quit and thank God ..
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 24 June 2018 08: 31
        +6
        Will Zapadentsev be gathered from western geyrops and some even from behind a puddle? Yes you, my friend, an optimist
        1. 210ox
          210ox 24 June 2018 08: 43
          +3
          There they will gather from central and eastern Ukraine ... They basically fight or gangster ..
          Quote: TermNachTER
          Will Zapadentsev be gathered from western geyrops and some even from behind a puddle? Yes you, my friend, an optimist
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 24 June 2018 09: 47
            +4
            The population of central and eastern Ukraine, if it falls into the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it is only by forced mobilization. Firstly, here it’s better with work, although many also leave to work. And secondly, there are practically no Bandera, with the exception of a small number of moral freaks. That is, there is no ideological motive.
    3. 1536
      1536 24 June 2018 09: 10
      +1
      This is "not thank God." Where do you think they went? Went to pick strawberries?
  4. cost
    cost 24 June 2018 07: 38
    +8
    We have no irreplaceable people

    another phrase attributed to the generalissimo, but not belonging to him. ...
    The author of the phrase is the famous princeps (head) of the ancient Roman Senate, Mark Aemilius Scavrus, the princeps of the Senate, consul of 115 and censor of 109. Here is just such a case that there are no problems with the establishment of authorship thanks to Tacitus' Analogs
    1. dog breeder
      dog breeder 24 June 2018 07: 45
      +2
      rich (dmitry)
      The author of the phrase is the famous princeps (head) of the ancient Roman senate, Mark Emilius Skavr, princesps of the Senate, consul of 115 g. And censor of 109 g

      Best regards, Dmitry! So who is to blame for the fact that the cyborgs turned into rats!
      1. cost
        cost 24 June 2018 07: 57
        +7
        Greetings to the dog breeder hi
        You can’t even imagine how right you are. Yes
        During the Spartak uprising, the commander appointed by the commander Gnei Pompey Magnus demanded additional powers and privileges from the Senate for himself. To which Skavr said this phrase. As a result, Crassus went to command the troops, and Pompey "was sent to engage in agriculture at the place of residence"
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 June 2018 07: 40
    +1
    And what should we worry about this? What do APU fighters trained by amers leave "for civilian life"? What will they do there? Well, that is not our question ...
    1. dog breeder
      dog breeder 24 June 2018 08: 53
      +1
      Mountain shooter (Eugene)
      Well, that is not our question ...

      You're not right. In our relations with the union states, we have sat in the "bushes" for a quarter of a century. They got color revolutions, Nagorno-Karabakh, frank Russophobia from once our fellow citizens. It is necessary to stop running on a rake.
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 24 June 2018 11: 18
      0
      Well, even if you "think with your head" then by the standards of training the American army - Shumeria is not fighting correctly !! negative Neither the overwhelming artillery fire, nor the absolutely obligatory air strikes, such "trained warriors" are supposed to - huddle in the trench and screech until they receive fire support, only there is none and never will be laughing . The classic "grief from the mind", if taught according to the old regulations, then - the soldier must overcome and die
  6. Smoked
    Smoked 24 June 2018 07: 41
    +2
    Recently it was said that even hatskrayniki and others like normal Ukrainians go to the army because they have stable earnings, and now this information ?! Someone is lying somewhere IMHO.
  7. andron-30
    andron-30 24 June 2018 07: 59
    0
    it’s understandable, to fight and die without a goal, it will not attract anyone, the United States needs to conclude, spending money on Georgians and Ukrainians, against RUSSIA, is more expensive.
  8. Evil 55
    Evil 55 24 June 2018 08: 03
    +2
    In Yavorov and Berdichev, it turns out that the Americans are preparing a mobile reserve for New Russia .. Well done, good to hear that ..
    1. Russia
      Russia 24 June 2018 08: 23
      +3
      They were simply explained on their fingers what they had to do and how to act in New Russia, and they thought up the rest, all kinds of things were figured to their nose and decided to dump.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 June 2018 08: 29
        +1
        Quote: Rusland
        and decided to dump.

        Probably the number of gays among American instructors is much larger than normal men. That's dumped until the instructor's eyes are down
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 June 2018 08: 41
    +3
    Little by little they begin to clumsy and think that they are fighting not with the aggressor, but with their own citizens. And to die for Ukraine rotten and goofy from Russophobia is already not enough fools. And the ideological ones remained only in the National Bats, and those who were quietly soon would be knocked to the ground, including "their" VSUshniki. In words, all the "cyborgs" and the army are one of the "best" in Europe, but in reality - ...
    1. siemens7774
      siemens7774 30 June 2018 20: 25
      0
      You can’t even imagine how close you are to the truth))
  10. bald
    bald 24 June 2018 08: 46
    +1
    And the truth is the truth. What can Amer instructors teach? To kill and not to be killed is laughter. Do not count for the correctness and reality - those who are fighting there (APU) - they have experience and speak from reality. Yes, ours, landing, there is no experience-kill. And this is a barrier and our weakness.
  11. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 24 June 2018 09: 19
    0
    "By the end of the rotation of the unit at the front line, one can often see a company of 40 people, or a battalion in which 200 people hold a front of 10-11 kilometers."
    Well, what? At the beginning of the Maidan kneading, the “revolutionaries of dignity” were full of “hundreds” and “battalions” of 20-30 bodies each. Why should something change now?
    1. your1970
      your1970 28 June 2018 08: 29
      +1
      according to smart books called charters, such a length can be defended by the forces of the division, and that is not very good.
      If this is true, then there is no front line at all, there is a system of roadblocks / positions, no more ...
  12. Prisoner
    Prisoner 24 June 2018 09: 29
    0
    Looks like an instructor And something taught. winked Namely, to protect the stomach. One life and if you take your head away you won’t come back. Moreover, putting it is not known for what anyone wants?
  13. rotor
    rotor 24 June 2018 09: 31
    +1
    a battalion in which 200 people hold a front of 10-11 kilometers.


    200 ukrokiborgov restrain the aggression of Russia, this is something. laughing
  14. K-50
    K-50 24 June 2018 09: 31
    +1
    The same people can actually serve on paper in two divisions on paper.

    For that, the command has the opportunity to get a "salary", if you can call it that, for yourself and that guy who does not exist. lol
  15. Normal ok
    Normal ok 24 June 2018 10: 28
    0
    According to Butusov, today the Ukrainian brigades are less than half equipped.

    So what kind of "offensive" can we talk about? For those who are steadily vanging about the onset, the TV box has replaced the ability to analyze.
  16. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 24 June 2018 10: 42
    +1
    200 people hold a front of 10-11 kilometers
    I don’t understand, is someone attacking Ukraine?
  17. NordUral
    NordUral 24 June 2018 10: 55
    0
    Butusov! You wrote about the 41st?
    By the end of the rotation of the unit on the front, it is quite often possible to see a company in 40 people, or a battalion in which 200 people hold a front in 10 – 11 kilometers.

    Or rave, what front did you dream of?
  18. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 24 June 2018 11: 01
    +4
    Even the Great Ukrainians are tired of war. Why sit in a trench with the risk of getting a splinter in the ass if you can scrub pots in Poland or scrape feces from under Italian old men for a lot of money?
  19. sergevonsohrn
    sergevonsohrn 24 June 2018 12: 29
    +2
    insight comes ..... slowly but surely! less and less willing to take part in the criminal military adventure of the Nazis in the Donbass!
  20. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 24 June 2018 13: 16
    0
    But shchosh enti fucking volunteers themselves do not sit in the trenches of the first line? Ali only from behind the back to broadcast "Giraffe boooolshoy! .."? Here's the answer to the question, do the Russians want war! Legs, legs, the population votes for their Ammerz values! Nobody wants to lay down their head for Pecena billions (and Schaub of Wines burned in a fiery hyena, a dog is bragging!)! This is approximately what the population thinks, who did not have time to put pots on their heads!
  21. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 24 June 2018 15: 11
    +1
    After such a rain, wait for a good calving ... Not otherwise, the next wave of mobilization will be announced ...
  22. LeonidL
    LeonidL 24 June 2018 18: 34
    +1
    They just study well and, as a result, understand what awaits them in the Donbass ... they have learned and run away!
  23. mamont5
    mamont5 25 June 2018 04: 38
    0
    Warriors? Punishers and bandits cannot be warriors!
  24. sleeve
    sleeve 25 June 2018 05: 09
    0
    On the topic of the Yavrovsky training ground. There are no fools. The training system there is an extract of NATO's "combat experience" of the last quarter century. If we talk about the "opponent" of the Armed Forces now, then he is not at all going to this experience gathered in Iraq, Afghanistan and to confirm and support somewhere else. The tactics of small groups during the “sweeps” and the assault on the OP with “low fire saturation” is certainly great (suppose for the Russian Guard), but the “tactical actions of the motorized rifle platoon on the defensive ... in the offensive” and even “as part of the brigade tactical group” This is a completely different matter. There would be more sense from the Syrians and Iranians, but for obvious reasons, never and never.
  25. Seal
    Seal 25 June 2018 11: 29
    0
    Quote: 210ox
    These "warriors" have not gone anywhere, well, except that they will leave to work.

    The main thing is not to work for us. With their acquired skills. I hope that our border guards have lists of all students.
    1. siemens7774
      siemens7774 30 June 2018 20: 32
      0
      Seal, you are deeply mistaken. The FSB and the border guards do not give a damn about this problem. Until people raise a cry, who are in the topic. Nobody can twitch or move.
  26. acetophenone
    acetophenone 30 June 2018 07: 55
    0
    Quote: Rich
    We have no irreplaceable people

    another phrase attributed to the generalissimo, but not belonging to him. ...
    The author of the phrase is the famous princeps (head) of the ancient Roman Senate, Mark Aemilius Scavrus, the princeps of the Senate, consul of 115 and censor of 109. Here is just such a case that there are no problems with the establishment of authorship thanks to Tacitus' Analogs

    Why are you so - on Tacitus? Of course, they were still little rascals, these ancient Romans, But why - indiscriminately?