Dean of Economics Department of Moscow State University: Raise the retirement age - and this is what the Cabinet calls reform?

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The Dean of the Faculty of Economics of Moscow State University expressed his point of view on the subject of the discussed pension reform. On the TV channel TV Center Alexander Auzan noted that in the form submitted by the government is not at all a reform. She, according to the expert, looks like an attempt by the government to carry out a kind of recalculation of financial resources in the country depending on the age of citizens.

Alexander Auzan notes that there really is no plan in the “reform” presented. There is no understanding of how the accumulative system will change, what will happen to the joint system.



Alexander Auzan called the proposal of the Cabinet "accounting":
There the accountant defeated the economist. The accountant simply has to reduce income and expense. And the economist should provide such information, which would contribute to the development of the economy.


In other words, already the leading economic experts of the leading university of the country have already noted that the announced reform does not have any real economic base, but looks like a half-measure. And this half measure already leads to a negative reaction from the public (recall at least the number of signatures on the petition against raising the retirement age).

Dean of Economics Department of Moscow State University: Raise the retirement age - and this is what the Cabinet calls reform?


If Alexander Auzan criticizes, what does he suggest? And the proposal, in fact, looks very interesting. According to the dean of the faculty of economics of Moscow State University, the bar for retirement age could be associated with average income. The expert notes that the so-called age of survival largely depends on the level of human security.

Auzan:
I would amend the inequality in our country. It is enormous, and it definitely applies to the age of survival.


At the same time, the economist noted that, depending on the level of income, he would have differentiated the retirement age for various categories of citizens, but he did not announce the exact parameters of his proposal.
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  1. +28
    23 June 2018 18: 09
    And then Auzan will listen .. not in the state we live in Russia LLC ...
    1. +27
      23 June 2018 18: 10
      Quote: parusnik
      ..not in the state we live in LLC Russia ...
      1. +15
        23 June 2018 18: 12
        Quote: parusnik
        ..not in the state we live in LLC Russia ...

      2. +12
        23 June 2018 18: 23
        Alexander hi "The accountant defeated the economist ..." But who cares up there now! Everything, the flywheel of the twisting nuts at the right time, is started, the guarantor said everything .... The task is completed, you can get cookies.
        Quote: Logall
        Quote: parusnik
        ..not in the state we live in LLC Russia ...
        1. +44
          23 June 2018 18: 56
          As an accountant, as an economist, as a deputy, as an official - they did not hold anything heavier than a pen and held it in their hands. They thought as a loader or installer, a bricklayer at a construction site in the cold will work in 65 years. Let the prisons open, old people will voluntarily go to the deadline to live until retirement. They even feed there.
          We have four children, my wife planned to retire in 50 years on an exemption basis, she was never on maternity leave, she used to carry out her production together. Now will go to 63. Thanks to the EP party and the government (robbery) for the care.
          1. +4
            23 June 2018 19: 18
            Four children, and the wife has never been on maternity leave ?! Its production .... a cow milked, fed pigs, and immediately gave birth, it turns out .... No offense ......
            1. +20
              23 June 2018 19: 26
              Mother helped with the children, while grandmothers in 55 can sit with their grandchildren. And who will be next with them?
              1. +27
                23 June 2018 19: 55
                Quote: sergey32
                grandmothers already in 55 can sit with their grandchildren

                Another aspect not taken into account by the stupid Medvedev government
                When men have a life expectancy of 63, and women have 75, they take, summarize and get an average duration of 69 (for 2010 according to the Census, that is, reliably). Now ROSSTAT is lying, like the average life of 72, has suddenly grown straight. Therefore, the ugly office yells about average figures when it comes to men, and when it comes to women, it yells about the age of old women, like 77 now. But the average guy just does not live to 65.
        2. +6
          23 June 2018 19: 03
          Dmitry - it is, all the schemes worked out. That's just my question is not so "modest". It's just that those who are doing it now - that’s all calmed down. And why did the people in the USSR — Russia — lose their experience! Here is the continuation.
          1. +21
            23 June 2018 19: 55
            I went here to the PF to ask, why do they not take into account the experience of working with student construction teams? It turned out that we had to go to another office, and at the same time somehow get help and take it there. At my suggestion, to go to them for the information they needed, to work (I have another job) in the archives, such a volley was given that, as I was alive, although spat upon, I got out of there - and I don’t know.
            1. +2
              23 June 2018 20: 05
              Alexander, my opinion is that everyone should take into account - the question is from what date ?! And this is a very important issue, it’s just that consumers, that is, us, have shaded a lot.
          2. +2
            23 June 2018 20: 18
            Vladimir hi I am one of those who were fortunate enough to work ten years not for the oligarchs. And since I did not work for them, they remembered it for me .. Something like that ..
            Quote: bald
            Dmitry - it is, all the schemes worked out. That's just my question is not so "modest". It's just that those who are doing it now - that’s all calmed down. And why did the people in the USSR — Russia — lose their experience! Here is the continuation.
            1. +1
              23 June 2018 20: 42
              The most interesting thing is that we understand almost everything, we understand it, but nothing like that. Maybe you need to think about it? ( winked believe me - I’m not a slave - but Dmitry, this continuing crap.
              1. +15
                23 June 2018 22: 53
                Raise the retirement age - and this is what the Cabinet calls reform?


                The statement has not lost relevance, but rather, on the contrary .., has acquired a new form of expression.
        3. +18
          23 June 2018 21: 20
          Quote: 210ox
          Alexander hi "The accountant defeated the economist ..." But who cares up there now! Everything, the flywheel of the twisting nuts at the right time, is started, the guarantor said everything .... The task is completed, you can get cookies.
          Quote: Logall
          Quote: parusnik
          ..not in the state we live in LLC Russia ...

          The cattle missed these reforms, and the people didn’t fool them with football. Russia is pregnant with the revolution, and I heartily congratulate all the gentlemen and their lackeys on this fact. Wake up the people.
          1. tap
            +15
            23 June 2018 21: 42
            Such a mood - in March.
          2. +5
            23 June 2018 23: 11
            Quote: free
            Wake up people.

            But would you go further away with your revolutions, cheap provocateurs? Go where you get paid and make revolutions there.
          3. 0
            24 June 2018 06: 52
            Maidanov will not be in Russia! Do not give! Crush like slugs!
          4. +1
            24 June 2018 18: 38
            And the colonel on a white horse with a saber will lead everyone behind him !!!
      3. +50
        23 June 2018 18: 30
        Hitler and Napoleon were shortsighted; he tried to take Russia by force. It turns out to be much more efficient to plant a puppet government that will work for its owner, but at the same time it’s tough to keep a fooled population in check. No matter what, with songs about external enemies, rising from knees, spiritual bonds, the fifth column, endless parades, fireworks and fireworks in honor of past victories, etc. the main thing is that the country would not develop, but would remain in place as an oil well, or mine ... What we have to observe ... Pension, gasoline and all other "chaos" of the government of billionaires. Some robberies of 1991, 1998 and 2014 of which cost ordinary people.
        1. +20
          23 June 2018 18: 33
          Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
          Hitler was short-sighted; he tried to take Russia by force. It’s much more efficient to plant a puppet government

          In those days, it was not possible to plant a puppet government in our country! This became possible only with the advent of the labeled.
        2. +7
          23 June 2018 18: 43
          Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
          Hitler was short-sighted, tried to take Russia by force

          Well, what Americans are stupid, did not understand it
          1. +5
            23 June 2018 19: 57
            The Americans just understand this and they will still drink a lot of people's blood.
        3. 0
          23 June 2018 20: 00
          Aristarchus, but we do not want this! Like not watered. maza.
      4. +3
        23 June 2018 19: 12
        This video is nonsense and distortion of facts. VAT is available in all European countries along with income tax reaching up to 45%. The same goes for insurance premiums. In the EU, an employer under a collective agreement usually pays for all of these insurance policies, i.e. in fact, these payments are no different from Russian insurance premiums, again, along with income tax, reaching up to 45%.
        1. +25
          23 June 2018 20: 16
          This is not exactly "nonsense." You somehow omit in your reasoning that “in all European countries”, at least where I was, income taxes are differentiated depending on the magnitude of these incomes, etc.
          Suddenly, something recalled Slovenia, the SPA resort of San Bernardin near Piran. Austrian old women - apparently invisible. Moreover, they are at such an age that they can’t swim anymore, they just walk around the pool, they put more beautifully in our coffin! I sit in the jacuzzi, call small - everything is free. An Austrian old woman is trying to get into us for about 5 minutes, she sat down and croaks: "Gunther, Gunther!" Gunther crawls backwards on the fours, his underpants have fallen, everything hangs. Finally climbed in, she raises her blue legs (the color of frozen chickens) and puts him on his lap. Small spits and crawls out. And he remembered his mother, her kingdom of heaven. She worked at the plant as a process engineer up to 70 years old, certainly no less than that old Austrian woman. I called: "Ma, did you get insulin for three months?" "Yes, they gave me one vial in a pharmacy with a concentration of 100 units." "What 100, you need a dozen!" "They said it’s not profitable to get a pharmacy for 10 units, then the limit will end quickly, they say you measure it by eye, or else it’s not enough for others." Well, even if she did not accomplish feats, but, for example, all of our SA used its mercury thermometers in their MSCs. and, in my opinion, in 38 countries of the world where export went! Not her already.
          Well, really, you can’t take him to the state at least once a year in the same Crimea. account for the month of all living Russian old men?
          1. +11
            23 June 2018 20: 38
            It is impossible. This is the expenditure of budget money. Retired officials, you can. must provide their masters to death. Moreover, the owners should bask at the "feeding trough" until their "Blessed Woman calls," and the slaves must die on the plantation.
            Quote: Militia2
            Well, really, you can’t take him to the state at least once a year in the same Crimea. account for the month of all living Russian old men?
          2. +10
            23 June 2018 21: 24
            Quote: Militia2
            This is not exactly "nonsense." You somehow omit in your reasoning that “in all European countries”, at least where I was, income taxes are differentiated depending on the magnitude of these incomes, etc.
            Suddenly, something recalled Slovenia, the SPA resort of San Bernardin near Piran. Austrian old women - apparently invisible. Moreover, they are at such an age that they can’t swim anymore, they just walk around the pool, they put more beautifully in our coffin! I sit in the jacuzzi, call small - everything is free. An Austrian old woman is trying to get into us for about 5 minutes, she sat down and croaks: "Gunther, Gunther!" Gunther crawls backwards on the fours, his underpants have fallen, everything hangs. Finally climbed in, she raises her blue legs (the color of frozen chickens) and puts him on his lap. Small spits and crawls out. And he remembered his mother, her kingdom of heaven. She worked at the plant as a process engineer up to 70 years old, certainly no less than that old Austrian woman. I called: "Ma, did you get insulin for three months?" "Yes, they gave me one vial in a pharmacy with a concentration of 100 units." "What 100, you need a dozen!" "They said it’s not profitable to get a pharmacy for 10 units, then the limit will end quickly, they say you measure it by eye, or else it’s not enough for others." Well, even if she did not accomplish feats, but, for example, all of our SA used its mercury thermometers in their MSCs. and, in my opinion, in 38 countries of the world where export went! Not her already.
            Well, really, you can’t take him to the state at least once a year in the same Crimea. account for the month of all living Russian old men?

            Capitalism. And under capitalism, without exception, everything becomes a commodity! Everything is a bargain!
          3. 0
            24 June 2018 13: 34
            If you rewind, then perhaps remember that a differentiated scale of income tax was in Russia. Do you know why they refused it and why the personal income tax rate in Russia is 13%? Those who know the topic that the minimum income tax rate in Russia before the introduction of Chapter 23 of the Tax Code was 12%, and the average personal income tax rate for which the tax was collected was 12,9% and the logic was simple when a flat tax scale was introduced. Since we still collect taxes at an average rate of 12,9%, let's make a flat tax scale and no one will hide their income. Collecting taxes at a rate of 45% is possible only in the case of total control by the tax authorities of the income and expenses of citizens. Remember the recent fake that from July 01.07.2018, 1600, tax authorities will control all transfers to citizens' accounts and will charge tax on all receipts to these accounts. Remembered? What kind of boiling rose among all the citizens of Russia, it was kind of expensive to watch. To make it clearer in the EU and the USA, the rules are slightly different, but there is one principle. I’ll repeat once again ALL income to citizens ’accounts is subject to taxation, unless the citizen proves that money is not taxable. And in order to make it clear that the stories about “inheritance” and “took from Vasya” do not banish, I recommend that you learn what the “black inheritance” is and the consequences of its adoption and take into account the fact that the tax history of EU citizens extends to the XNUMXs, therefore to check the fact that Vasya didn’t have that kind of money, and if he didn’t pay taxes on it, it's as simple as that. We are not ready for this, including the poor, but over time it will be with us.
            1. +3
              24 June 2018 14: 22
              Thank you, Igor, for a lot of interesting and informative information. But they clarified little to me, but on the contrary, even confused.
              Here, for example, you write: "Collecting taxes at a rate of 45% is possible only in the case of total control by the tax authorities of the income and expenses of citizens." I don’t think that we have a lot of these citizens from whom we need to take 45% of the tax for the whole country. Therefore, if our experts were able to organize "total control", for example, of the Ishilovites, then we would be able to control a small number of these very citizens.
              The second one. Your phrase: "We are not ready for this, including the poor." In my opinion, here is a typical cancer institution behind a stone. If about the poor, for example, about the bulk of our pensioners, then they are just ready, another question is that they have nothing to control and nothing to take from them.
              The third. About the "black inheritance" and tax accounts from the 1600s in Europe. You will be in England, go to the British Muse in London - so it will be difficult for you to miss the whole ancient Greek temple - stolen from the Greeks. Will you be in Spain - pay attention to the donor-bearer in the Cathedral of Toledo - 200 kg of silver - this is the Spaniards made the Indians happy. If you are in Italy - go to St. Mark's Cathedral in Venice - there is not a single thing that has not been stolen from the former metropolis of Constantinople (though there is one small icon - Palo d'Oro - they bought this one, which they are very proud of and tell everyone). By the way, they also stole the relics of St. Mark from the Arabs. If you are in France - pay attention to the monument to the founder of the oldest dynasty in Europe - the first prince Grimaldi at the princely palace in Monte Carlo. In our simplicity, I thought that he was hiding a bottle under his cloak. So no - a knife with which he personally cut out the entire garrison of the fortress, founding Monaco. Have you seen here that there are monuments to sadists and thugs? And you tell me - "the tax history of EU citizens extends to the 1600s" What a passage! Almost everything was stolen and stolen there, and not “borrowed from Vasya”! Why does Hitler come to us? Fight Communists and Jews? And why did Napoleon come with twelve languages? Also fight with them? And earlier hunters, also hunted for the communists? They came to rob! So, if you want to learn how to live in Europe, you just have to learn how to rob. That is what we are really “not ready” for now. And thank God!
              1. +1
                25 June 2018 04: 52
                To identify citizens from whom you need to take at a rate of 45% and you need total control. In addition, we must not forget that income and property, as well as expenses, can be drawn up for relatives and just dummies, so total control is also necessary to identify real beneficiaries. We must also not forget about those who will have to pay taxes not at the maximum, but not at the minimum rate, but there will be many more and they will also need to be controlled according to the same scheme as those who will have to pay at the maximum rate . Everything else that you wrote about is just lyrics and has nothing to do with the matter, if taxes on this property are paid in national jurisdiction, then no one will have questions. And yet, you can take something from everyone, just when it comes to the real “take”, the classic question is always asked - but why am I not the richest? But the law is adopted for everyone, including not the richest.
                1. +1
                  25 June 2018 20: 23
                  Dear Igor, ending the discussion, I draw your attention to the fact that you, in particular, declare without any argument that there is a fact that “the tax history of EU citizens extends to the 1600s,” etc. I have given you a number of facts as arguments that you can personally verify if you wish. You answered me that my arguments were “just lyrics and have no relation to the matter,” but you didn’t bring any reasonable arguments besides this conclusion of yours (and generally some arguments and facts). I will not dissuade you anymore and wish you all the best.
                  1. 0
                    26 June 2018 04: 27
                    If you are interested in reading about the tax history, then I will try to find a link to this on the Internet. As for the facts that you have cited, they have nothing to do with the value of tax rates in Russia and in the West, so I called them “lyrics”. Maybe I didn’t understand you, then explain what is in the EU museums to income tax rates? I do not see any connection.
          4. 0
            25 June 2018 14: 51
            Well, really, you can’t take him to the state at least once a year in the same Crimea. account for the month of all living Russian old men?
            If so, then Putin and his colleagues and friends (not officials) will have to go around the world. It’s easier for them to spin .. oh, steal a few billion, than go for it ... sad
    2. +10
      23 June 2018 18: 12
      Of course, Auzan will not listen, but the main thing is that deans already note that pension reform does not have any real economic basis.
      1. Don
        +34
        23 June 2018 18: 36
        How does it not have? The rich will become richer due to the redistribution of pension money of pensioners among the ruling inner circle. These are still flowers. That's when the tax maneuver ends in 2022, then gasoline will cost at least 100 r at the current rate. If the ruble is expected to drop even lower, then, accordingly, even higher. The tax on the export of crude oil and petroleum products will be replaced by a tax on mining. That is, the obstacle to the export of gasoline, diesel fuel, etc., is removed, as a result of which domestic prices and prices on the European market, which are traditional for us, are equal. This is a decision already made by the government last year. In addition, already this year the cost of compulsory motor third-party liability insurance increases significantly (up to 20%), the cost of state duty for the replacement of rights and much more. That is, if we summarize all this and collect the whole picture, it turns out that not only pensioners, but almost all segments of the population, except the richest class, will become poorer because of the insignificant amount in relation to their income.
        In general, comrades sailed, as we warned before the presidential election
        1. +2
          23 June 2018 18: 48
          Quote: Donskoy
          This is a decision already made by the government last year.

          Do you have friends in the Government of the Russian Federation? A cleaning lady, a barmaid? Or who is more solid?
          Quote: Donskoy
          That is, if you summarize all this and collect the whole picture, you get ...

          ... ordinary paranoia. A foil hat will no longer help.
          IMHO wink
          1. +21
            23 June 2018 19: 06
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Quote: Donskoy
            That is, if you summarize all this and collect the whole picture, you get ...

            ... ordinary paranoia. A foil hat will no longer help.
            IMHO wink

            One and a half hundred years ago, one "smart man" wrote a little book. Tolstoy. Donskoy came to the conclusion even then. True, he did not know about OSAGO then. Do not press you "foil hat"?
            1. +2
              23 June 2018 20: 30
              Quote: There was a mammoth
              One and a half hundred years ago, one "smart man" wrote a little book. Tolstoy. Donskoy came to the conclusion even then

              Decipher, if not difficult ... what kind of person, what kind of little book, what kind of "Don's conclusion"?
              Quote: There was a mammoth
              Do not press you "foil hat"?

              No. For lack thereof feel
              1. +14
                23 June 2018 21: 30
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Decipher, if not difficult ... what kind of person, what kind of little book, what kind of "Don's conclusion"?

                Weak, perhaps, to guess for yourself? Do not be lazy. I'll give you a hint. On the basis of his philosophical and economic work, another person wrote "Imperialism as the highest stage of capitalism."
                1. +1
                  23 June 2018 21: 33
                  Quote: There was a mammoth
                  Imperialism, as the highest stage of capitalism

                  Everything, I understand you.
                  UK hi
        2. 0
          25 June 2018 15: 01
          In general, comrades sailed, as we warned before the presidential election
          That's right. Cast a vote for him? They gave it away. Well, now don’t whine! laughing And yes, do not roll a barrel to Medvedev, this is just a shout.
      2. +30
        23 June 2018 18: 53
        Quote: solzh
        pension reform has no real economic basis.

        and who would doubt it? This is money to save a bankrupt government
        1. +2
          23 June 2018 19: 11
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Are you really so naive, or are you trying to troll?

          neither one nor the other. Today the mood is lyrical, calm.

          Figase - lyrical ... thrashing wassat
          You remind me of one character very much ... he somehow published a photo like this:

          Something tells me that you - he is Yes
          1. +3
            23 June 2018 19: 20
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            he somehow published a photo like this

            road leading from Koktebel to the Simferopol-Kerch highway. To the right, behind the back, Koktebel winery. But the photo is not mine. I like the movie camera
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Figase - lyrical ... thrashing

            the heat goes away, interest appears love
            A che photo do not like? In my opinion - in the topic and with the main person on the facade, and the essence of the innovation is already clear to everyone
            1. +2
              23 June 2018 19: 22
              Quote: Silvestr
              the heat goes away, interest appears

              Hour by hour is not easier ... no, I went broke a little, and put the air conditioning.
              At home 22 (maybe less, but cats are freezing), on the street thirty in the shade.
              Lyapota request
              Quote: Silvestr
              the photo is not mine

              Oh ... well, boom to believe that I believed Yes
              1. +4
                23 June 2018 19: 32
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Hour by hour is not easier ... no, I went broke a little, and put the air conditioning.

                In Crimea + 40 ° C. Under the Union, at this temperature, we operated without any kondeya (there were none). That was the steam room!
                In such heat, with an interval of a year, I twice caught pneumonia. Conde is good, but in moderation. Yes

                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Oh ... well, boom to believe that I believed

                and what is that photo dear to you? Koktebel I do not like. request
                1. +4
                  23 June 2018 20: 03
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Koktebel I do not like.

                  I do not agree. Beautiful Russian land around the Kokteble Bay!
                  1. +4
                    23 June 2018 21: 57
                    Who argues. I don’t talk about that much. Karadag and the Golden Gate are beauties.
                    But swimming in the local bay is not.
                2. +1
                  23 June 2018 20: 27
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  and what is that photo dear to you?

                  Yes, not that it’s so expensive ... this test was like that. Follow the link, understand wink

                  Clean spaces only from the address bar carefully, otherwise you’ll get into the wrong direction.
                  1. 0
                    23 June 2018 22: 08
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    otherwise you’ll get into the wrong place.

                    understand now. with whom you confuse me. No, I - it's not him.
      3. +8
        23 June 2018 20: 44
        Quote: solzh
        Of course, Auzan will not listen, but the main thing is that deans already note that pension reform does not have any real economic basis.

        Tell me, who will become the owner of hundreds of billions of dollars of pension contributions that have not survived to retirement? Ah, you say that there is no economic base! For such grandmas they are ready to put us all at least to the wall. The question is acute: either they will turn us into slaves and eventually destroy us, or we will wither them. The choice of St. Petersburg organized crime group does not leave us.
    3. GRF
      +4
      23 June 2018 18: 17
      Let them raise the bar for retirement even after 1000 years, but stop collecting loot from the population on it!
      And then I smell only balls instead of money for my dog, and I will see ... (Children will not be left to them by inheritance ...)
      1. +5
        23 June 2018 20: 57
        Quote: GRF
        Let them raise the bar for retirement even after 1000 years, but stop collecting loot from the population on it!
        And then I smell only balls instead of money for my dog, and I will see ... (Children will not be left to them by inheritance ...)

        How many officials of various kinds in the country? Many of them have benefits in terms of age and pensions. Who will contain them? Many of them have pensions and salaries such that you won’t earn in 10 years, how much they receive in a month. And also the benefits of obtaining housing at the expense of the budget, a separate system of medical support, official cars, cottages ... Koreans, accomplices, and even oneself, you can’t summarize your loved ones on a progressive scale. And there’s nothing to talk about the luxury tax. And, to thieves under sanctions, spit out billions from the budget? Tea, not strangers, but your bros. Children grow up, they are already in the Government. That's right, power should be inherited. Slaves need to get used to their fate. Only, the slaves may not understand the good intentions of the lads and make a pogrom, the consequences of which are impossible to calculate.
    4. +3
      23 June 2018 19: 09
      Auzan is a great clever, it is a pity that neither the government nor the people nor the opposition can hear him.
    5. -2
      23 June 2018 21: 57
      Quote: parusnik
      And then Auzan will listen .. not in the state we live in Russia LLC ...

      But how many here know about this?
    6. 0
      23 June 2018 23: 13
      The reason for raising the retirement age is demography, which the government has no power to influence. This WE did not work - did not give birth to children. WE!
      1. +7
        23 June 2018 23: 40
        Well, we have a government that I look at in general can not affect anything. But demography is in the way, then the price of oil, then the machinations of enemies .. And how poor are they to keep up?
      2. MrK
        +2
        24 June 2018 01: 07
        Quote: Victor N
        The reason for raising the retirement age is demography

        Another respected with a liberal-clogged head.
        I recommend watching on YouTube: Shein Oleg. Speech in the State Duma about raising the retirement age! (20.06.2018) httpswww.youtube.comwatchv = z3950IOcA6
        M. 2 000 000 views.
      3. +7
        24 June 2018 05: 47
        The reason is not demography, the reason is the greed and arrogance of a government consisting of lousy managers.
        These characters must be driven with sticks from the government.
        And now we’ll go through a little about demography. Sprinkle the head with ash and basle (WE have not finalized) the right is not worth it.
        We did not finalize, that is, the guys who died in various conflicts throughout the territory of the former USSR, crap and liberated ruined. People who drank from hopelessness and poverty in 90 years did not fit into the market. People who worked hard to just feed themselves and their families didn’t finish it. Well, of course they didn’t finish it, and shit-librasts also didn’t finish the creatures, people still live and want pensions honestly earned and laid by them according to the constitution. (That's what they want to fall for the budget )
        But the government is stupid, but there is no money (as Dima said and everyone remembers) here and then you have VAT in the mouth, here you go and hell and not retirement at 60, worry, and the government will come up with yet another vile thing and that it’s interesting to find people who believe them and in the causes of demography and ropaki on the roads and in a thousand other justifications of a government hostile to people.
        There will be people who do not blink, tell how we will live up the age of pensions by raising cultural figures, journalists will enlighten us how good it will be, but they will not publicize the list to whom it will not be embarrassing, not to strengthen the minds of the population
      4. +1
        24 June 2018 14: 33
        Let me clarify my point of view on demography and our shortcoming in this part. Your pension is determined not so much by your pension contributions as by interest on profits from using those means of production, those factories, for example, which you and your ancestors created when you worked. I emphasize once again that your pension does not have any relation to the number of current employees and the number of future workers. And to raise pensions, the economy must develop. Therefore, if you are told that your pension savings are not there, they suddenly disappeared, which means that they were simply stolen, it is possible that those people who tell you that.
        And at the expense of demographic correction efforts - don't give up!
        1. 0
          25 June 2018 11: 19
          In Russia, not a funded, but a joint pension system. There are no pension accruals: deductions of employees are immediately paid to pensioners. The fewer workers (and fewer and fewer) - the less funds in the Pension Fund. Moreover, both demography and our fault in it. Alas!
          1. 0
            25 June 2018 20: 57
            Dear Victor, I proceed from the following:
            - I understand the current laws as follows. Nevertheless, there is a funded pension in Russia. In the system of compulsory pension insurance (OPS), not only the insurance pension of working citizens is formed, but also the means of their pension savings. These same funds are formed partly due to insurance premiums paid by employers until 2014 (then the receipt of new contributions was suspended for the period 2014-2019). But since the end of 2015, citizens who have accumulated pensions in this way have been granted the right to distribute the entire amount of insurance premiums between insurance and funded pensions. (Those who still have deductions from January 2014 still have this opportunity.) So, in 2014-2019, employers' insurance contributions are directed to the formation of insurance pensions. However, this does not mean at all that previously formed pension savings funds are not invested in the market and will not be paid to a pensioner after assigning him a pension. Moreover, they can be paid to the heirs of the pensioner (under certain conditions).
            -Second. Now it’s not about the laws, but about what I wrote about earlier. So you completed the work, received 100 rubles for it, and then took this equivalent of your work to the bank and each year you receive (should receive) interest. Does this not seem strange to you? Then why does it seem strange to you that those, for example, the means of production that you have made, cannot make a profit after you have made them and retired. They make a profit. Then why can't you get a percentage of this same profit? Of course you can (and should!), Since it is. Does this profit depend on the number of employees? Actually, it doesn’t, or it depends very indirectly (if no one at all works and uses the means of production made by you and your ancestors, then there will be no profit). It is clear that it is much more dependent on the efficiency of the economy and increases with increasing labor productivity, yes. But does the number of workers increase labor productivity? No, it doesn’t. And once again, let me repeat, if you are told that your pension savings were eaten by previous pensioners - you are being deceived, and I suspect that I knowingly.
            -
    7. +4
      24 June 2018 00: 27
      Quote: parusnik
      And then Auzan will listen .. not in the state we live in Russia LLC ...

      Not in the LLC, but in the JSC. entrance to the management of this company for mere mortals is closed. Like in an old joke, when the general’s son asks dad — will I become a general when I grow up?
      - of course you will.
      - and the marshal?
      - but you won’t become a marshal, the marshal has his own son.
  2. +3
    23 June 2018 18: 11
    Three years could have been added, as we had 20 years ago, or they would have been stretched for a decade adding half a year, a year. It will not be so scary for new pensioners to predict the finish line.
    1. +7
      23 June 2018 18: 25
      Where there! Forge the iron while the World Cup!
      Quote: marshes
      Three years could have been added, as we had 20 years ago, or they would have been stretched for a decade adding half a year, a year. It will not be so scary for new pensioners to predict the finish line.
      1. +1
        23 June 2018 18: 31
        Quote: 210ox
        Where there! Forge the iron while the World Cup!

        The funny thing is, our women are added 2 more years, gradually. They just live longer and spend a lot of time on maternity leave or on sick leave, the pension will be close to men .. It was 58/63, it will be 60/63. In principle, it’s fair to say how they are they dispose of the money of the pension fund, for this it’s not a sin to put it on the wall.
    2. GRF
      +11
      23 June 2018 18: 26
      As during the collapse of the USSR, the people forgot how to defend their rights, and now they have not learned!
      Is it still far from the revolutionary level of exploitation? At this pace, this level can be surpassed tomorrow!
      They chose the one who promised one thing and does the other, did the people authorize this? What kind of power is this people?
      Let the servants of the people prepare options for solving the problem! And the people will choose and confirm by a majority one option, the execution of which will continue to be watched by the national servants ...
      Decisions for the fate of the people should be made by the people and not by the "elite"
      1. +1
        23 June 2018 18: 34
        Quote: GRF
        As during the collapse of the USSR, the people forgot how to defend their rights, and now they have not learned!

        Yes, you can’t learn, all the enemies are around! The state, by the pennies, needs to have a little defense too. That you and we have the same rhetoric, look how the neighbors live!
        1. +3
          23 June 2018 20: 27
          I looked. A cat lives, a dog lives. In different ways, everyone lives. Why did you not address your proposal to the head of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation, which receives a salary of 1 million rubles?
          1. +1
            23 June 2018 20: 44
            Quote: Militia2
            I looked. A cat lives, a dog lives. In different ways, everyone lives. Why did you not address your proposal to the head of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation, which receives a salary of 1 million rubles?

            I have something to address, we have already had such a retirement schedule for 22 years, and it’s not a hard one.
            For this reason, many prepens were dumped in Russia, because there is not even a preferential solution.
            But we studied your experience, and we have accumulated 22 years, that you slow down. For that state. debt. relatively small, and a bunch of reforms made that at the moment you copy.
            The only thing we care about is we will get our pension savings from the funds, how they own and spend a mystery for us. Here they invested almost 300 lyam in the bankrupt bank of Azerbaijan, of course they promised to return it without interest. And pension funds live on a grand scale. it’s impossible to remove it immediately, like the early ones. The neighbor was planning to retire in the autumn thinking about buying a car. So, if possible, you should keep in hard drive, yes hard currency, gold invest coins, for a rainy day. By the way, this stock last winter really helped. Father hip neck broke, put a French titanium implant, now walks with a cane and drives a car.
            1. +2
              23 June 2018 21: 43
              Thank you for your kind and vital advice, and to your father - health and long life!
      2. +15
        23 June 2018 18: 48
        ]
        Quote: GRF
        And the people will choose and approve by a majority one option

      3. -2
        23 June 2018 21: 58
        Quote: GRF
        As during the collapse of the USSR, the people forgot how to defend their rights, and now they have not learned!
        Is it still far from the revolutionary level of exploitation? At this pace, this level can be surpassed tomorrow!
        They chose the one who promised one thing and does the other, did the people authorize this? What kind of power is this people?
        Let the servants of the people prepare options for solving the problem! And the people will choose and confirm by a majority one option, the execution of which will continue to be watched by the national servants ...
        Decisions for the fate of the people should be made by the people and not by the "elite"

        that he promised a lot of things.
      4. 0
        23 June 2018 23: 18
        The government cannot influence the demographic situation TODAY! This is WE with you not raising the price of children - and we should not disentangle!
        1. +8
          24 June 2018 00: 23
          Quote: Victor N
          The government cannot influence the demographic situation TODAY! This is WE with you not raising the price of children - and we should not disentangle!

          How interesting! Are we to blame for the results of the predatory "privatization" when people died in the millions? Do you recall the words of the Tsar’s best friend about the extra 30 million that didn’t fit into the market economy? They, in the opinion of the "nano-manager", must die, because the women still give birth. Are we to blame for the Civil Wars and the slaughter of the "non-indigenous population"? We are guilty of plundering the budget and keeping countless high-paid officials on their hump with their incomprehensible how and for what privileges that appeared? Are we guilty that the lads have an indefatigable appetite and great fertility? Are we accused of not wanting to die on the plantations of the new "masters of life" without even taking a break from slave labor? Are we guilty of not wanting to give birth to new slaves for a criminal clique? fool lol
          1. 0
            25 June 2018 11: 21
            Alas, we are involved in everything if we do not consider ourselves to be meek cattle in life!
            1. +1
              25 June 2018 11: 24
              Quote: Victor N
              Alas, we are involved in everything if we do not consider ourselves to be meek cattle in life!

              I do not consider myself a serf. I don’t want to go to the herd.
            2. 0
              25 June 2018 14: 38
              Quote: Victor N
              Alas, we are involved in everything if we do not consider ourselves to be meek cattle in life!

              I agree with you. Nobody has canceled our guilt in believing in the "Wise Guide" of the "god-like" and granted by the "Commandment of the Lord" to own us. Thanks to the CPSU, the Guide and the Guide. We believed in the rationality of the leaders and did not dispute their actions. But where are we now? At the stage of Wild Capitalism, while the entire civilized world is moving to the stage of social equality. It is our fault that we did not have the knowledge to oppose the "Reforms", which had grown too big on the budget to the state of the "temple" of the "economist" and its always drunk patron. It is our fault that we believed in the Gorbachev Reform, because the Central Committee of the CPSU and the party itself at that time were amazingly similar to the current Top. It is not our fault that we lost the ability to combat scum, for we were confident in the integrity and wisdom of our Guidelines. Now, their time is lost. Personally, I will fight them by any legal means until I exhaust them. What will happen next, only God knows.
    3. MrK
      0
      24 June 2018 01: 02
      Quote: marshes
      It will not be so scary for new retirees to overcome the finish line.

      The first has already surrendered to reforms, if I understood correctly.
      Well, as in a joke. “People:“ No, we say, no mop in our backsides. ”
      Power: “If you remove the mop quickly, you will sway and fall. Aren't you afraid of losing your balance? Only a mop in the back can hold you; there is no alternative in Russia.
      Or another option. “If we pull out the mop, they’ll stick something worse than a mop in your ass, we’ll leave it as it is.”
  3. +27
    23 June 2018 18: 15
    Help the country! Okole until retirement! Your money is needed offshore.
    1. +14
      23 June 2018 18: 28
      I lived to retirement, saw how much they accrued and glued fins. Well, what could be better for our people. Some "benefactors" in the leadership of Russia. wassat
      1. +1
        23 June 2018 23: 19
        What did you earn ..... And before, you were not interested?
        1. +3
          23 June 2018 23: 41
          I'm retired, worried about you, sirogo. Yes
    2. +5
      23 June 2018 18: 56
      So there is no money, but you hold on.
  4. +7
    23 June 2018 18: 16
    bourgeois shake the legs, there is money for pensioners
    1. +11
      23 June 2018 18: 51
      Quote: cosmonaft
      bourgeois shake the legs, there is money for pensioners

      Well, damn it, you give!
    2. +1
      23 June 2018 23: 21
      Money is needed for children! Or take away yourself ?!
      1. +2
        24 June 2018 00: 30
        Quote: Victor N
        Money is needed for children!

        So they try for their children and grandchildren! Tea, after 6 years the card doesn’t make a lot of luck, because new ones will come, hungry and take care of their children, dispossessing the old brotherhood. To grab and escape.! lol

        Quote: Victor N
        Or take away yourself ?!

        So we don’t want to take away from us for their maintenance.
      2. +1
        24 June 2018 09: 09
        I don’t understand, we’ll cheat Maru Baghdasaryan? Nitshe, even if he drives a Cossack, it’s useful for her laughing
    3. 0
      23 June 2018 23: 40
      faster the opposite will happen)
  5. +19
    23 June 2018 18: 18
    She, according to the expert, looks like an attempt by the government to carry out a kind of recalculation of financial resources in the country, depending on the ages of citizens.

    And for me, she looks like a declaration of war on her people.
    1. +17
      23 June 2018 18: 21
      Quote: Moore
      she looks like a declaration of war on her people.

      I think that nevertheless, it is more like a kind of genocide of our people.
      1. +2
        23 June 2018 23: 22
        If you thought, then this would not blurt out.
      2. 0
        25 June 2018 14: 48
        Quote: Moore
        And for me, she looks like a declaration of war on her people.

        No, this is not a war, but an attempt to return Serfdom with the simultaneous robbery of the next Personal Savings of future slaves. Do you think our ancestors were immediately turned into serfs? It all started with the removal of some rights and ended with the cancellation of St. George's Day. History does not teach, it punishes .... feel
  6. +17
    23 June 2018 18: 20
    Why again to tidy up this sore subject? From this topic, the impressions are such that you were robbed by 1,5 lyam and soldered for another 5 years for nothing. At the same time they demand not to worry and be law-abiding. I went to the turner at work and said: "Vasya, do you know how I look at your machine?" He asks: "How?" "What we are doing wrong on your lathe," I answer. He asks: "What do you have to do?" "Yes, I’m saying, you’ll see the news, I want to grab a gun! And at least 16 caliber on your machine tool. He laughs: "Our people can do anything, and that too." laughing laughing
    1. +5
      23 June 2018 18: 37
      Quote: Altona
      "What we are doing wrong on your lathe," I answer. He asks: "What do you have to do?" "Yes, I’m saying, you’ll see the news, I want to grab a gun! And at least 16 caliber on your machine tool."

      Altona, there was such a joke, with the mention of Gagarin:
      ... here it is - flew by. And you - (agree)

      I would, in your place, beware of publishing this laughing
      1. +2
        23 June 2018 21: 30
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: Altona
        "What we are doing wrong on your lathe," I answer. He asks: "What do you have to do?" "Yes, I’m saying, you’ll see the news, I want to grab a gun! And at least 16 caliber on your machine tool."

        Altona, there was such a joke, with the mention of Gagarin:
        ... here it is - flew by. And you - (agree)

        I would, in your place, beware of publishing this laughing

        But the fact that?
        Would you even be ashamed of something, ashamed of you jack.
        1. +2
          23 June 2018 23: 25
          Call for illegal actions ?! Do you think you are writing?
  7. +18
    23 June 2018 18: 26
    The final decision on the pension issue:
    1. +2
      23 June 2018 21: 05
      Quote: Old Fuck
      The final decision on the pension issue:

      And why doesn’t he pick wood on the square? Well, I’d die on a plantation and I wouldn’t disgrace a country with palaces for pension funds.
  8. +18
    23 June 2018 18: 32
    Quote: Egorovich
    I lived to retirement, saw how much they accrued and glued fins. Well, what could be better for our people. Some "benefactors" in the leadership of Russia.

    ------------------------
    The king by the way is now 65 years old. 6 times already on a government pension he earned 70% of the salary plus public service. Has revenues through Prigogine and Roldugin of $ 10 billion per year. Well, who are we? Dogs are sub-fence. We are already sorry to throw the bone.
    1. +8
      23 June 2018 18: 39
      Quote: Altona
      Has revenues through Prigogine and Roldugin at $ 10 billion per year

      Is there anything to confirm? Or again, balmy trepidation?
      1. +14
        23 June 2018 19: 32
        Poor Putin and indecently rich friends of Putin? We believe, we willingly believe. Well, it’s always difficult to “prove” the owner of the common fund, so no - no one will show you the documents.
        1. +2
          24 June 2018 00: 22
          "No one will show you the documents." Because they are not there - it’s hard to hide such an amount as 10 billion devils, at least for whom you dump them.
          1. +1
            25 June 2018 15: 57
            Here, Vadim, you know better. You then hid everything offshore ..
            1. 0
              25 June 2018 18: 24
              All my offshore companies are located in Russia.
              1. +1
                25 June 2018 18: 27
                So you wrote how you got two million bucks. request
      2. +5
        23 June 2018 20: 35
        Confirm what? Does Putin have such a pension, or that we are "dogs for suburban"?
        Here the fact of the occurrence of such rumors is more important. It is now confirmed. Well, then you need to filter and look - who benefits, where is the source.
        For example, why are all the jokes about blondes? And about brunettes no. Ever wonder?
        1. +3
          23 June 2018 21: 19
          Judging by your comments, you are quite an adequate person, therefore (once again, I have already done it, but not especially for you) I will explain: the phrase
          Quote: Altona
          Has revenues through Prigogine and Roldugin at $ 10 billion per year

          , without appropriate evidence (and the author doesn’t have the phrase. Yes, it cannot be), can be qualified as “slander”.
          A little lower I said exactly that. No more, no less Yes
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        1. +2
          23 June 2018 21: 15
          Quote: Dumb
          And, someone studied the income of the St. Petersburg lads?

          Good advice to you: do not go wherever they ask. Bite wink
          1. +2
            23 June 2018 22: 03
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Quote: Dumb
            And, someone studied the income of the St. Petersburg lads?

            Good advice to you: do not go wherever they ask. Bite wink

            Are there any vaccinations?
          2. +2
            23 June 2018 22: 10
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack (Roman) Today, 21:15 ↑
            Quote: Dumb
            And, someone studied the income of the St. Petersburg lads?
            Good advice to you: do not go wherever they ask. Bite

            And if you infect rabies and then I will tear you all up? laughing It is customary to answer questions, even uncomfortable ones, but not with threats. Someone may not understand the jokes and take up arms now. am
            1. +1
              23 June 2018 23: 30
              Therefore, you need to keep calm. People are deliberately turned on and they_ by the prostate do not understand and are being led.
              1. +2
                24 June 2018 00: 39
                In reservation
                Quote: Victor N
                People are intentionally turned on and they_ by the prostate

                and the truth is hidden. They are us with a boot in the prostate, and we, in their simplicity, did not understand their “care for the people”! lol
      4. +5
        23 June 2018 23: 12
        What for? Putin himself confirmed! He said that he did not know the size of his salary! Well, he doesn’t live on her
  9. +1
    23 June 2018 18: 33
    After a well-deserved football festival (even after 1/8), people will vaguely suspect that they threw him, but it is too late - the same pretzel is declared again as a protest flag. And to support him is not to respect yourself. Here is such a fork.
    1. +8
      23 June 2018 19: 34
      There are protests that the left organizes, they just don’t tell you about them on TV.
      1. 0
        24 June 2018 00: 26
        And with these leftists, they act on the left.
  10. +11
    23 June 2018 18: 46
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    I would, in your place, beware of publishing this

    ----------------------------
    This is the impression of watching the news, if that. I myself am a man completely unarmed in this regard, I am not a fan of weapons from the word in general, it was my grandfather had a trophy merkel and domestic tulka. It's just that “our native” Government comes to rob you, but we can’t even defend ourselves. I told my bike to this. laughing laughing

    With legal weapons registered now, you know strictly. Every month, a guardsman suddenly comes and it does not matter to you that you spouse your wife there, be kind, show how you store the registered weapons, ammunition, and if the trunk is dismantled. laughing laughing
    1. +1
      23 June 2018 19: 00
      Quote: Altona
      With weapons legal registered now, you know strictly

      But for the smooth-barrel unregistered, EMNIP, administrative. Well, and the withdrawal, essno.
      When (and if) they will find.
      I give, use :)
      1. 0
        23 June 2018 22: 14
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        But for the smooth-barrel unregistered, EMNIP, administrative. Well, and the withdrawal, essno.
        When (and if) they will find.
        I give, use :)

        You can make a threaded insert and store it separately. There is no sanction for a piece of the barrel. To assemble, it will take a minute, but body armor from 40 meters to the departure.
        1. 0
          23 June 2018 23: 42
          and where are you armor-piercing then he will find the bullets to right through)) wassat
          1. +3
            24 June 2018 00: 48
            Quote: Sergey Ippon
            and where are you armor-piercing then he will find the bullets to right through))

            DIY tip: you make a caliber shape, put a piece of a dowel in the center and fill the remainder with lead or copper, if desired. it turns out a sub-caliber bullet. There are no secrets here if they served in the army. Can be used for hunting wild boar, because there will be no rebound. There is no ban on the manufacture of improvised ammunition in the country, in the presence of legal weapons. Use it.
            PS.
            They tested drunken on the bronze, on an argument. feel
            1. 0
              24 June 2018 00: 57
              about the bronik of a fairy tale -3 the standard will not break, but at least a paradox!
              I’ve been doing shooting for 25 years (cutting, my cartridges, though)
              cartridge shape for liner? under the rifled barrel? nude ...
              there are 20,410,12 pairs in the collection, slicing from 308 up to ....- officially.
              worked with our snipers and floor and bolt.
              or are you talking about a 1k bronik - I punched a knife through a knife with a punisher - even 3 collectors work.
              not an indicator at all.
              1. 0
                24 June 2018 04: 27
                "Returning specifically to Bulat-3, we can summarize the above by saying that it is a bulletproof vest, heavy for its class, but reliably protecting the body in a peaceful city, where rifles and machine guns are not so often shot, and pistol bullets and grenade fragments" Bulat-3 "will withstand. And the chest and dorsal steel armor plates will save from standard machine gun bullets with steel non-hardened cores. Such body armor will suit collectors and police response groups."
                http://ohrana.ru/equipment/special/2345/
                Quote: Sergey Ippon
                about the bronik of a fairy tale -3 the standard will not break, but at least a paradox!

                The third class does not save from hardened cores. Bore under the rifle cartridge 7.62x64. In the argument, I won. Try it and you will be rewarded. However, the use of this invention is not for shooting at the oprichniki. Exclusively for entertainment and hunting.
                1. 0
                  24 June 2018 18: 31
                  rifle cartridge 64)) are not mistaken? not on 54 standard rifle then wassat ))? and make a bullet? sleeve? what powder? and capsules for a rifle cartridge))
                  I would believe you about 12 - there are your own machine guns and the sale of cartridges, containers, wads and capsule separately, but this is not even a fairy tale.
                  3k is not a heavy armor, almost average.
                  heavy 5k with amplification up to 6k. (withstands hardened SVD bullet)
                  1. 0
                    25 June 2018 01: 04
                    Quote: Sergey Ippon
                    rifle cartridge 64)) are not mistaken? not 54 standard rifle then))?

                    Do you ever make a typo?
                    Quote: Sergey Ippon
                    and make a bullet? sleeve? what powder? and capsules for a rifle cartridge))

                    Is it not enough to mold the mold from lead? Take one bullet out of a cartridge and roll another problem? Did I mention somewhere about self-manufacturing a sleeve or refitting a capsule? Need cartridges, buy a bottle of "white" at the shooting range for infantry fighting vehicles. Exchange, weight by weight.
                    Quote: Sergey Ippon
                    3k is not a heavy armor, almost average.
                    heavy 5k with amplification up to 6k. (withstands hardened SVD bullet)

                    Did I say somewhere about a heavy armor? You have a bad head if you drag me something that I did not say. By the way, yes. The tank will not break! wassat fool lol
                    1. 0
                      25 June 2018 01: 28
                      what the hell are you talking about, were you at the shooting ranges -military?
                      nobody will miss you at the shooting range, believe me.
                      Yes, and the sleeves are rented even with Kalash, especially with PCM (Pecheng)
                      do you know bullet tolerances? or spit it out or tear it up (you won’t be able to collect it under the smoothboot) - stop writing nonsense.
                      it’s safer and easier to get armor-piercing, but this is immediately a term, although for that cartridge with a can, too, it will not seem a little.
                      find a cartridge - just a cartridge without your license for this caliber - kapets to you! and rightly so ....
                      it’s not a typo, you don’t have friendship with your head, if you are writing such a blizzard or you don’t understand the process of working a bullet-barrel.
                      they dragged the army - it’s the type where they did it, but they made bonds for PBS, but there is another technology.
                    2. 0
                      25 June 2018 01: 45
                      and also - more cheerfully, instead of thanks. sorry I do not understand the caliber - missed misspelling
                      about your mind it’s clear, but about mine I don’t need anything, with bullets (although I doubt that you know what it is) I have been using it for a long time and gathered rounds of ammo to your waist would be enough if you put it with a shovel.
                      you’ve got it wrong with your head - they called yourself 3 heavy armor plates
                      in its class, stupidity is obvious.
                      look after yourself and your stupid writings, the main thing is not to drag in the army - the feeling that you know nothing about it.
                      1. 0
                        25 June 2018 15: 40
                        Quote: Sergey Ippon
                        and also - more cheerfully, instead of thanks. sorry I do not understand the caliber - missed misspelling
                        about your mind it’s clear, but about mine I don’t need anything, with bullets (although I doubt that you know what it is) I have been using it for a long time and gathered rounds of ammo to your waist would be enough if you put it with a shovel.
                        you’ve got it wrong with your head - they called yourself 3 heavy armor plates
                        in its class, stupidity is obvious.
                        look after yourself and your stupid writings, the main thing is not to drag in the army - the feeling that you know nothing about it.

                        To begin with, a typo came out with a caliber. Adequate to understand, but the “yachtspurt” has doubts. I already have no doubts about your awareness on the penetration of bulletproof vests and their qualifications. If you really are an expert with existing units, you must express sympathy for them. They may lose their comrades due to incorrect reporting. I can tell you about the Iron Stake in the Russian Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the sergeant staff of his company in the above school since 1982. I can tell you about 72 traffic rules of the airborne forces of the Soviet Socialist Republic and 72 traffic rules in particular in the above period and after. It is better for you not to stutter about the accounting of cartridges, because judging by your perplexity you are familiar with the barracks and the shooting report only by hearsay, as, in my opinion, in everything else. Oh, you should not blame me for those sins that I did not commit, for I have sinned in others, but I will not repent. I can be counted, but is it worth it, because I have not committed anything illegal? Have you tried just replacing the bullet and trying it out? No? You know, according to a similar principle, the ammunition "Gyurza" operates. Such an “expert” must know this. I doubt your ability to make a “bullet” at home, because for you, apparently, it is not known that pouring lead into a large form, with preliminary wiping of the form with graphite prevents it from sticking together. Sopromat in the university passed, for at least an approximate calculation of penetration? It only seems to me that you are trying to challenge me for the sake of frankness with the aim of receiving a bonus for opening a network for the illegal sale of ammunition, but to attract me for an illegal acquisition? Sorry, uncle, did I say this somewhere? I suggested that you try to illegally purchase ammunition at the shooting range from our incorruptible suppliers. Preventive measure for the illegal acquisition of ammunition is not for me to tell you! I ask you not to worry about the improper use of ammunition. The idea and details of the submunition are in the open press. It was tested under the conditions described by me once and can be used in the hunt for wild boar. Please spare me your obsessions and attempts to bring me under the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. With great "respect" to those bodies "to whom it is necessary, we will come, your failed lifelong supervised. lol hi
    2. +8
      23 June 2018 23: 27
      Once, the phrase of the Russian guard dropped right under the table: “Why did you and your friends drink vodka when I came to check the weapons?” From the series "Why are you walking here? -By the floor." "
  11. +13
    23 June 2018 18: 48
    Finally, scientists began to speak out. Still the RAS would have spoken out.
    We worked out directions for reducing the working day, working week, and increasing salaries. And here it’s the opposite. Here is a tagged and drunk result of your reign.
    1. 0
      24 June 2018 00: 29
      It's time to get rid of the lion's share of parasites from the Russian Academy of Sciences - 10% of scientists really work, study and create there.
  12. +8
    23 June 2018 18: 48
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Is there anything to confirm? Or again, balmy trepidation?

    ------------------------
    I won’t confirm anything to you, it’s pointless. This is just my assessment from various sources. Watch the news and much will be revealed.
    1. +4
      23 June 2018 18: 50
      Quote: Altona
      I won’t confirm anything to you, it’s pointless. This is just my assessment from various sources.

      That is, all the same trepidation.
      I thought for some reason Yes
      1. +12
        23 June 2018 19: 37
        With the fact that the friends of the "guarantor" are all, as one, billionaires, I hope there is no doubt? With the fact that the former KGB-shnik is not to record everything on himself, I hope, too?
  13. +20
    23 June 2018 18: 52
    When I hear about Putin and Medvedev, I immediately remember the cartoon "Mowgli" ... immediately recall the jungle, the wolf pack, Bagheera, Balu ... and cannibal tiger Sher Khan with his jackal...
    Eh ... Where is our Mowgli on an armored car now? Hurry, he would have come ... WE are tired of waiting for him, but still waiting ... And our jungle will always support him in the battle with the Sher Khan, the jackal and red dogs!
    For, our cause is just, the jungle has always been against cannibals, as if they were not disguised as normal inhabitants of our jungle.
    And no matter how Sher Khan was puffed up now and his jackal was not angry, trying to push his cannibal reforms in the jungle that hate him, WE will be against it, because these reforms are beneficial only for these cannibals, but not for us - the inhabitants of this jungle !.
    After all, we all know perfectly well that without the Sher Khan the jackals are ZERO! And he always acts only with the filing of Sher Khan, whatever the cannibal tiger himself says ...

    P / S. I am a simple wolf pack wolf among which Mowgli lives. But when Mowgli comes and starts fighting the cannibals, we will support him! As I said there before? "WE ACCEPT BATTLE !!! "
    1. +9
      23 June 2018 18: 57
      Quote: Brigadier
      I immediately remember the cartoon "Mowgli" ... I immediately remember the jungle, the wolf pack, Bagheera, Balu ... and the cannibal tiger Sher Khan with his jackal ...
      Eh ... Where is our Mowgli on an armored car now? Hurry, he would have come ... WE are tired of waiting for him, but still waiting ... And our jungle will always support him in the battle with the Sher Khan, the jackal and red dogs!

      good
    2. +2
      23 June 2018 23: 37
      Living in the jungle is obscene. Live like all normal people
      1. MrK
        +2
        24 June 2018 01: 15
        Quote: Victor N
        Live like all normal people

        And where did you find normal people in our country?
    3. +1
      24 June 2018 01: 25
      only now all these wolves quickly ran to the tiger when Akela missed
  14. +18
    23 June 2018 18: 55
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    That is, all the same trepidation.

    -------------------------
    For you, of course, all trepidation. I wrote that Prigozhin does 3,5 billion rubles only in children's uniform for the Unarmia. Now the people are "fluttering" that the Magnit trading network has passed under Putin's. There are a number of factories, the same "Stan-5000" (large-diameter pipes), where the people also "tremble" that he is also Putin's. And you’ll hear enough of this garbage and read it in a day, it’ll probably turn out to be even more than 10 billion. Otherwise, why the hell should I give money there? Here's another? laughing laughing
    PS How ignorant you are however. Mdaa.
    1. +4
      23 June 2018 19: 04
      Quote: Altona
      Which you are ignorant however. Mdaa

      I just, unlike you, do not eat rumors. Disdain, you know. I'm ... picky about the reception food information.
      Quote: Altona
      the people are also "fluttering" that he is also Putin's

      They say in Ryazan mushrooms with eyes. They are eaten, and they are looking.
      Believe it, no? laughing
      1. +3
        23 June 2018 19: 34
        And they also say: "The monk grabbed when the horseradish was in his head."
        I mean, I grabbed late and not for that. Everyone was waiting for confirmation. But you are right, you must be able to handle the news. Here we are learning.
      2. +10
        23 June 2018 19: 39
        Well, even if you believe it, you can reason like this: "Let him be super rich, but for the country, how much good he did!". However, it does not work out, unfortunately.
        1. 0
          24 June 2018 00: 36
          He really did a lot for the country - he ended the Chechen war as an example
      3. +8
        23 June 2018 21: 22
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: Altona
        Which you are ignorant however. Mdaa
        I just, unlike you, do not eat rumors. Disdain, you know. I'm ... picky about food information.
        Quote: Altona
        the people are also "fluttering" that he is also Putin's
        They say in Ryazan mushrooms with eyes. They are eaten, and they are looking.
        Believe it, no?

        Who conducted the audit of the capital of the St. Petersburg organized crime group and their "common fund"? Who was allowed to verify the income of the King / or godfather / and his servants? If there was a check, can I trust the results? No information, right? The children of our bureaucrats at the “feeding trough” are all so brilliant that everything is entirely on the boards of directors, but on the boards of large companies and banks. Where do the bureaucrats go after retirement? Somewhere there is information about the general corruption of the highest echelons of power? No information, but signs on the face. Sometimes, you just have to compare the facts.
        1. +2
          23 June 2018 21: 25
          Quote: Dumb
          Dull

          You have surprisingly picked up a nickname for yourself, my compliments.
          I say goodbye to you, you are not interested in me ... for now, so to speak hi
          1. +4
            23 June 2018 22: 20
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            I say goodbye to you, you are not interested in me ... for now, so to speak

            Hint of meeting in a torture chamber? fool Who knows what will happen next and whether you will interrogate there after the fall of the regime or be responsible for your previous deeds. am Ceausescu also hoped ... laughing
            1. 0
              24 June 2018 00: 38
              No regime will fall - this is Putin’s last term; the new president will be introduced in 2024.
              1. MrK
                0
                24 June 2018 01: 24
                Quote: Vadim237
                The new president will be introduced at 2024.

                Are you sure? Yeltsin put forward Putin. Putin will nominate someone else instead of himself. And we will vote in favor - for.
              2. 0
                24 June 2018 04: 34
                Quote: Vadim237
                No regime will fall - this is Putin’s last term; the new president will be introduced in 2024.

                Quote: Dumb
                Ceausescu also hoped ...
              3. +1
                24 June 2018 19: 36
                Last?!? And the requests of all fronts and women Dusi from Mukhosk and 4 (four) turns into 6 (six), well, or an example of China as an option.
    2. +1
      23 June 2018 21: 23
      I agree that with the pension reform, the puncture is concrete, but all this, the howling and air shocks, the swaying of Russia remind me of the stink in Ukraine in 2013 ... De, Yanukovych is a thief, a bribe taker and an eater .. Maybe that’s all! But Poroshenko is even worse! We have already seen all these ryvolitsy of nits .. Crimea and Sevastopol remembers howls ... We must fight for our rights! For Russia ! Do not let saddle our country Maidan ..
      1. +5
        23 June 2018 22: 05
        So this so-called pension reform is a blow to Putin and the integrity of the country (it can shake it). Here the people are trying to fight it.
        1. +2
          23 June 2018 23: 21
          In Russia, historically, the people forgive the authorities much more than arrogantly popping into their pockets, displaying luxury items and reluctance to listen to them! All this was still in tsarist Russia (salt and copper riots). I said and I will repeat it again. Only in our country, the government does not want to learn anything and, with enviable constancy, steps on the same rake.
          1. 0
            24 June 2018 14: 43
            Yes, it seems. Only those who learned fast didn’t see something, but mother Russia, half-barefoot, wanders for herself and wanders around the potholes and potholes of roads, villages that left only chimneys and run wild apple trees, plants, branches of Zimnyaya Cherries and Drunken Horse.
            There are many forests, fields and rivers in it ...
            Apparently, the matter is not in power. Maybe in our people.
        2. +1
          24 June 2018 19: 44
          It is clear that this is a swaying of the situation, and what to do specifically is not clear. They beautifully made the Duma they dragged edro on single-mandate, is the SF generally a “guard” dead end?
      2. +5
        23 June 2018 22: 27
        Quote: 30 vis
        I agree that with the pension reform, the puncture is concrete, but all this, the howling and air shocks, the swaying of Russia remind me of the stink in Ukraine in 2013 ..

        Kneel before the King to fall? Who put forward this nonsense by the Prime Minister? I did not see that this sidekick was mediocre and failed all the reforms and undertakings in the country? What lawlessness and corruption reigns in the country? Are there any other legal methods? So far, there will be legal rallies and processions. Further actions will depend on the St. Petersburg organized crime group. They will take away the insignificance with accomplices from the Government to start a dialogue, the people will begin to subside. No, I'm afraid we will see them on birches.
        1. 0
          23 June 2018 22: 59
          Need to fight for your rights! For Russia ! Do not let saddle our country Maidan ..
        2. +2
          23 June 2018 23: 01
          chat for talk? the whole point is that, where economics and finance are concerned, there is a close-knit mafia structure, immigrants from the Gaidar Institute and its associates, and this cesspool reproduces only their own kind, and this gang appropriated all the recommendations, analytics and forecasts
          1. +1
            24 June 2018 04: 38
            Quote: nov_tech.vrn
            the whole point is that where the economy and finance are concerned, there is a close-knit mafia structure, immigrants from the Gaidar Institute and its associates

            The immigrants are just from the Communist Party and the Komsomol, and they are covered by demagogues from the "new liberal economists."
            1. 0
              24 June 2018 06: 33
              in those days, if not a homeless person or an alcvsh, all were Komsomol go CPSU
              1. +1
                24 June 2018 06: 35
                Quote: nov_tech.vrn
                in those days, if not a homeless person or an alcvsh, all were Komsomol go CPSU

                Well, the Komsomol - then yes, basically (and then - not "all"). Until 27 years, EMNIP, then - "dropped out by age."
                And as for the CPSU and “everything,” you coolly salted laughing
                1. 0
                  24 June 2018 07: 35
                  in the army from the company commander, in civilian from the head of the workshop, if not even the master
                  1. +1
                    24 June 2018 08: 20
                    Quote: nov_tech.vrn
                    on a civilian from the head of the workshop, if not even the master

                    Absolutely not necessary.
                    And then - even what you listed - offhand, it’s not even 10% of “everyone” request
                    1. +1
                      24 June 2018 09: 07
                      the most active and competent part of the population, and as for the oligarchs and the Komsomol, Gorbachev created under the Komsomol, centers of scientific and technical creativity, if the name is not mistaken, which he allowed to officially transfer non-cash money into cash, this is a crime all over the world, that's where it turned out many of our oligarchs, if not the majority, have stolen funds stolen from state-owned enterprises, training since youth
                2. 0
                  25 June 2018 15: 50
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  And as for the CPSU and “everything,” you coolly salted

                  I agree with your opinion on the CPSU. Before the collapse of the Soviet Socialist Republic, we all observed the "race on the carriages" of the Leaders due to the irremovability of the "elite". Does this remind you of anything? lol
          2. +1
            24 June 2018 06: 50
            Under the Union of Party Schools, the elite - nomenclature - guzzled - saw - had fun. The people fell for a change. The result - Gorbachev - perestroika - redistribution - hunger - death - poverty ... Yeltsin - song drinking, war - blood - theft - hunger - poverty ... Now more or less people are overgrown with fat - relative prosperity .. It is necessary to plunge the country into chaos (chaos theory), war, blood collapse, hunger, poverty, destruction of the people ... Here is what pension reform can bring. Competently twisted and supported.
    3. +2
      24 June 2018 00: 34
      No, it’s just a phantasmagoric “push” for you - read more often on the fences, there will definitely be written more about Putin’s countless riches.
  15. +8
    23 June 2018 19: 01
    What did you want ... In the government, people involved in the development of the country have no specialized education, starting with Medvedev. Well, what does he understand in economics? Probably, only that the economy should be economical ... Well, it saves: on light bulbs, on the clock, on pensions, etc. ...
    1. 0
      23 June 2018 19: 28
      About profile education .... To teach profile education, you need a SPECIALIST for this, but where can I find one? All sorts of academics and professors do not roll with deans; they themselves do not know anything, since they learned economics from the Soviet government ....
      1. +1
        23 June 2018 21: 50
        You noted only one of the two components of training - this is the mandatory presence of a Teacher (it is simply extremely difficult to teach from books, for example, to swim). The second component is the presence of a living matter, on which Teacher teaches. Now the situation is not simple - Teachers are dying, and the economy (a living thing) can’t fully turn around. But in some sectors, succession can still be maintained. In some.
        1. +1
          23 June 2018 23: 23
          Absolutely right! Who of the wise said there? -Theory without practice is dead !!! (although during this time you can already learn from your own mistakes)
          1. 0
            21 July 2018 17: 31
            Your expression “theory without practice is dead” is a paraphrase of the Gospel “faith without works is dead,” and this really wise man, the apostle James, said. And this expression is suitable for your thought: PRACTICE - CRITERION OF TRUTH.
  16. +2
    23 June 2018 19: 03
    We are all infected with the bacillus of socialism. And it will be difficult for them to etch her out of us.
    1. 0
      23 June 2018 19: 35
      Not socialism, but paternalism.
    2. +1
      23 June 2018 20: 42
      This is the fundamental question! Where does history turn here? Unclear. For example, Chinese Confucius believed that living in an era of change is the greatest evil. But our Tyutchev thought differently: "Happy, who visited this world. In his fateful moments, Whom they called all good, Like an interlocutor to a feast." The same Tyutchev used to say: "Russia cannot be understood by the mind." So let's see who survives.
  17. +5
    23 June 2018 19: 10
    I do not understand DAM with EP. They think that in 2 years the EP will win the election? Yes, Papa Zyu or anyone else will only announce in the party’s election program that they will repeal the law on raising pensions. age, there will not be a single ERovts in the Duma, and behind them is a vote of no confidence in DAM, together with the entire cabinet. They are wonderful. Or the "Golden Calf" eclipsed everything in the world. Or maybe the Almighty punished depriving the mind, for all sins.
    1. +1
      23 June 2018 19: 41
      Dad (or already grandfather) Zyu is not used for that. When necessary, he is commanded: "Voice!" He gives a voice, something like: "Calling on your conscience, dear ..." and then he receives the expected reply: "If you were sitting there silently, otherwise you would have ruined everything ..." And so on until the next time.
      Comrade Zu is part of our society, maybe even more rotten than anything else (we don’t include oligarchs in our society - there are mostly foreigners).
      Earlier in the Middle Ages in Spain, dons and seignorites, going out into the city, took dwarfs and a freak with them, so that they shaded their beauty. That's about the role of Comrade now. Sue and performs.
      But this will not always be the case - society is changing, maybe not as fast as some would like.
    2. +6
      23 June 2018 19: 43
      Believing in the “election” is generally cool. They will draw anything. Although, I do not argue that the fact of support is important to them. But you, for the sake of interest, look at polls on the streets, the brief essence of which is still as follows: "Damned boyars are spoiling a good king, raising their retirement age!" In general, the TV is working fine. So, in which case, the EP will be renamed the "Putin party" and say that this is generally a different force, albeit with the same faces. And all nightingale litters will convince of this every evening. And, of course, “the Communist Party is oligarchs” and all that according to the patterns of “Grudinin is a thief”.
  18. +3
    23 June 2018 19: 13
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    But for the smooth-barrel unregistered, EMNIP, administrative. Well, and the withdrawal, essno.
    When (and if) they will find.
    I give, use :)

    -------------------------------
    I do not need it. We must love weapons, like a car, for example. And without meaning to store, it’s just rubbish, beautiful, brutal and unnecessary. laughing laughing
    1. +2
      23 June 2018 21: 27
      Quote: Altona
      I do not need it. We must love weapons, like a car, for example. And without meaning to store, it’s just rubbish, beautiful, brutal and unnecessary.

      Do you think we can do without weapons this time? Well, you are an optimist! laughing
      1. +3
        23 June 2018 23: 24
        There is an old proven method !!! -Cobblestone weapons of the proletariat))))
  19. 0
    23 June 2018 19: 15
    In other words, the leading economic experts of the country's leading university also note that the reform announced does not have any real economic basis, but looks like a half measure.
    I would not call the dean of the faculty a leading economic expert.
    All the same, Moscow State University is not only the economic profile of education.
    1. +2
      23 June 2018 19: 46
      So it’s true, but you haven’t noticed that in today's Russia, the authorities only listen to “experts” - from the Higher School of Economics? I hope you do not need to explain what kind of garbage is? I think any MSU-Schnick, and even more so the dean, is a cut above these mediocrity.
      1. BAI
        0
        23 June 2018 20: 24
        only one "expert" - from the Higher School of Economics?

        You're not right. There are also RANCHIGS. But looking for the difference between HSE and RANHIGS is a separate issue.
  20. +9
    23 June 2018 19: 17
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    I just, unlike you, do not eat rumors. Disdain, you know. I'm ... picky about food information.

    --------------------------
    Do not eat, but you also do not know the final beneficiaries and you cannot know. You know, such an intimate secret, worse than you and your wife. There are rumors, there are other sources. To be interested in the income of the authorities is our civic duty. Won the Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau glasses gave a local (!) Luxury brand, and then the people stukanul. So I write in the framework of a completely democratic process. Who needs to check income.
    https://www.5-tv.ru/news/208725/
    1. +2
      23 June 2018 19: 27
      Quote: Altona
      Won the Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau glasses gave a local (!) Luxury brand and then the people stukanul

      There it is such a tradition. As in Germany, however.
      Quote: Altona
      To be interested in the income of the authorities is our civic duty

      I agree. But writing something based on rumors is fraught sideways; no one has yet canceled the article for defamation.
      Although ... but who will read you? Such in the internet - on a patch of piglet. The reverse side of publicity - permissiveness is called request
      Quote: Altona
      Who needs to check income

      Who needs it - they will check without you. Who needs Yes
      1. +5
        23 June 2018 21: 30
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: Altona
        Who needs to check income
        Who needs it - they will check without you. Who needs

        Who does not need to, do not check. Enough "mom clanus"! laughing am
  21. +1
    23 June 2018 19: 22
    There, the accountant defeated the economist.

    There the accountant has his own accounts. The old ones. "Burnt." If you want to.

    The accountant simply has to reduce income and expense.

    The economist is the plan. An accountant is a fact.

    And that fact will not work.

    Though the calculator is turned upside down. Accounts are more reliable.

    Do not confuse profit and income. These are different things.
  22. +5
    23 June 2018 19: 25
    "Another pension reform is good" - the opinion of officials.
    Meanness is the opinion of the people.
    Kudrin was asked: How to provide people with work after 60 years?
    Answer: I do not know - I am an accountant.
  23. +5
    23 June 2018 19: 46
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    I agree. But writing something based on rumors is fraught sideways; no one has yet canceled the article for defamation.

    ----------------------------------
    Ahaha ... The reasoning of the authorities that everything is fine, although according to their own statistics, we have a sea of ​​the poor how to perceive? How is false information? laughing laughing
    1. +2
      23 June 2018 20: 21
      Arrows translate? We move off the topic ... familiar, swam. I wrote about this if you did not understand:

      Quote: Altona
      Now people are "fluttering" that trading network "Magnet" came under Putin. There are a number of plants, the same "Stan-5000" (large diameter pipes), where people are also "fluttering" that he is also Putin

      Based on this (people are "fluttering" that) You write:
      Quote: Altona
      By the way, the king is now 65 years old ... Has revenues through Prigogine and Roldugin at $ 10 billion per year

      This, if you can’t confirm your "information", is called the bad word "slander".
      This is not what I came up with, it was long before you and I came up with.
      Like this request
      1. 0
        23 June 2018 22: 37
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: Altona
        By the way, the king is now 65 years old ... Has revenues through Prigozhin and Roldugin of $ 10 billion a year
        This, if you can’t confirm your "information", is called the bad word "slander."
        This is not what I came up with, it was long before you and I came up with.
        Like this

        Will not work. The court may request an independent audit of income and expenses. crying laughing Our friend of the Tsar did not file a lawsuit against Onalny. Why? recourse lol
        1. +1
          23 June 2018 22: 41
          Quote: Dumb
          Dull

          I may have not quite clearly expressed the thought:
          Respected Dull, communication with you does not interest me in the least.
          If you are pleased to write comments that will certainly go unanswered - continue to do this (very fruitful) thing hi
          1. +7
            24 June 2018 01: 09
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Quote: Dumb
            Dull
            I may have not quite clearly expressed the thought:
            Dear Incomprehensible, communication with you does not interest me in the least degree.
            If you are pleased to write comments that will certainly go unanswered - continue to do this (very fruitful) thing

            Dear Golovan (Jack), I am amused by your manner of instructing people, perhaps not as educated, but complete impotence before the reasonable arguments of comparable opponents. You did not notice that now you have become like our ruling elite / unless, of course, you are out of this clique / your inability to dialogue? It is this position of the ruling elite that leads to the destabilization of society, the consequences of which no one is ready to predict. I feel sorry for you, for, in the event of a riot, the fate of you and your loved ones will be sad, as indeed the whole country. crying
  24. +13
    23 June 2018 19: 53
    And when it was like that.

    CPSU CENTRAL COMMITTEE



    USSR Council of Ministers



    DECISION

    26 September 1967 N 888



    EVENTS FOR A FURTHER INCREASE

    BLAGOS STATE OF THE SOVIET PEOPLE
    ...................................
    lower by 5 years, that is, from 65 to 60 years - for men and from 60 years to 55 years - for women, the age that gives the right to old-age pension, members of collective farms;

    increase collective farm members the minimum disability pensions of group I due to labor injury or occupational disease from 18 to 30 rubles and from a general illness from 15 to 25 rubles, disability of group II - from 14 to 20 rubles and from 12 to 16 rubles per month, respectively ;

    introduce pensions for collective farmers for disability of group III due to labor injury or occupational disease;

    to establish allowance in the amount of 16 rubles per month for persons with disabilities from childhood of groups I and II who have reached 16 years of age.



    Secretary

    CPSU Central Committee

    L. BREZHNEV



    Chairman

    Council of Ministers of the USSR

    A.KOSYGIN

    completely. http://www.libussr.ru/doc_ussr/usr_6642.htm
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  25. +5
    23 June 2018 20: 05
    Well, everything is done for us through the fifth point ... And no wonder ... Upstairs, we completely lost touch with reality .... Well, a woman with twenty fur coats cannot understand a woman who wears one coat ...
  26. +6
    23 June 2018 20: 09
    This is the author of the pension reform
    Director of the NIFI Research and Finance Ministry of the Russian Federation Vladimir Nazarov,
    - Postgraduate study at the Financial Academy under the Government of the Russian Federation, the topic of the dissertation is “State regulation of intergovernmental relations of the Russian model of federalism” (2007)
    - Finance Academy under the Government of the Russian Federation, Institute of Management, honors degree in public administration (2005)
    - University of Western Ontario (Canada), Master of Public Administration Courses (2004)
    - Internship at the Department of Finance Canada, Department of Federal and Regional Relations (2004)
    - English Language Institute (United Kingdom) (1995)
    His work experience
    - June 2004 - present: Researcher at the Laboratory for the Problems of Fiscal Federalism and Subnational Finance, Head of the Laboratory for Budget Federalism, Leading Researcher at the Macroeconomics and Finance Research Institute of the Economy in Transition / E.T. Institute of Economic Policy Gaidar.
    - 2013 - present: Director of the Research Financial Institute
    - An example of his work - For us, the economy is oil prices, growing poverty and inefficient state corporations. While for the world, the key topic now is the structural change in the economic structure, comparable to the transition from an agrarian society to an industrial one. The role of industry as a driver of growth is occupied by the services sector, the level and life expectancy of the population is growing noticeably, and the basic social institutions that have been formed over the centuries are rapidly becoming obsolete. In the future, the death of a social state awaits us, and Russia can come to this very quickly.
    Well, is it any wonder, they need to be driven, to where where from them they prepared the fifth column
    1. BAI
      +2
      23 June 2018 20: 19
      Institute for the Economy in Transition / E.T. Gaidar.

      Yes, there’s no need to go anywhere, everything is in place.
  27. BAI
    +3
    23 June 2018 20: 17
    It is necessary to differentiate not only by income, but also by working conditions. An official from the presidential administration can work up to 70. And the taxi driver?
    1. +2
      23 June 2018 21: 35
      Quote: BAI
      It is necessary to differentiate not only by income, but also by working conditions. An official from the presidential administration can work up to 70. And the taxi driver?

      How much will he do in time over the years? To us, for what! laughing fool
  28. +12
    23 June 2018 20: 26
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Arrows translate? We move off the topic ... familiar, swam. I wrote about this if you did not understand:

    -----------------
    I do not understand, are you still threatening chtoli there? Slander and all that jazz. Calm down, they answered you. "We move off the topic," the most correct chtoli? I’m talking on the topic and I’m telling you your remarks. Or did Vladimir Vladimirovich get so sick that you can’t eat? First, take an interest in the personages of Prigogine and Roldugin, and then ask your terrible whip with “slander”. And if not in the subject, then be silent at least. And then I look that you are so sterile around, so suspicious and vulnerable.
    PS By the way, I sometimes describe the logic of our authorities, but for some reason you consider their logic to be mine. Are you so fixated on my person or just such a person in life, alternatively thinking? Maybe you have something to work there that does not stick? So you think at work, and do not transfer your mental delirium to others.
    1. +9
      23 June 2018 20: 46
      threatening chtoli?
      And not just threatening, but rudely threatening. Looks like the best troll of the Kremlin. You ask him how he spent the New Year weekend, while the site was not working with the colonel, he scored points before the general, and then he became a marshal without wasting time. The spot wasn’t on his site, for such fraud.
      1. +2
        23 June 2018 21: 00
        Quote: Gardamir
        for New Year's holidays, until the site was working


        What are you talking about? How did this not work? Let's not invent it, okay?
        1. +3
          23 June 2018 22: 02
          How did it not work?
          Good. but how can one person get so many stars that he goes up quickly in the rating. The site worked, but not like now, two or three articles a day.
      2. +1
        23 June 2018 22: 24
        Gardamir Is it difficult for you to understand that there is male friendship? I can "shed light" on your perplexity, but only partially. When I was on the site with the rank of lieutenant, I met Colonel General "Cat Man Nul" in one thread, and in the other I got a fly from him. A few minutes later, I received an apology in PM for my rude behavior. I remembered the good and we are now good friends. Good, I never forget, and then it generally shocked me a little - an apology from an older comrade. Honestly, I have made and will make every effort to ensure that Roman is on the site. Hope outlined my understanding of the issue clearly. I did not violate the rules of the site in any way. hi
        1. +8
          23 June 2018 22: 44
          is there a male friendship?
          In those ancient times, when the site had pros and cons, when a person with whom you do not want to communicate could be blacklisted. I was also, however, raised more legal to a marshal, legal, that is, gradually, for comments and pluses. I even received a congratulation. With a marshall rank, I lost a star for a minus and right there my comrades returned my title.
          Now for the friends. We all have our own reputation on the site, someone is “Putin”, someone is a White Guard, someone is red, well, a bunch of options. But I'm sorry who such a head is, for me he is a talker and a demagogue. I had occasion to argue with people of opposing views. They always came to some sort of unanimous opinion, remaining at their own. Do not insult each other. the provocateur is heading, he does not argue, does not prove his point of view. For him, the goal is either to bring a person out of himself or to immerse in endless trolling about anything. Therefore, if you consider yourself his friend, explain what I did not notice in him.
          I go to the site, convey my opinion, find out the news. If I think that someone is wrong, I try to convince him. And this is a talker who does not need any truth. This is probably what moderators need to watch.
          1. +1
            23 June 2018 23: 25
            Well, I somewhat disagree with you. Common ground is even for sworn enemies. I found them - you are not, it is concerning Golovan Jack. I can not help you - I was looking for them, but you do not need it. But he has a special relationship with the truth - he points to deviations from it, but then it depends on the opponent. Sometimes the matter ends with mutual understanding, sometimes with nothing. There is no use from me - the third party, as a rule, is mostly to blame, well, as in this case. Therefore, I am ready for anything, I will not dispute, but I will not give up my opinion.
    2. +2
      23 June 2018 20: 51
      Quote: Altona
      I do not understand, are you still threatening chtoli there? Slander and all that jazz

      A statement of the fact (that what you have written is called slander) is in no way a threat. You can try to challenge.
      Quote: Altona
      First take an interest in the personages of Prigogine and Roldugin

      I have repeatedly heard these names. In various contexts. There is no need to "be interested".
      Quote: Altona
      and then already your terrible whip

      Quote: Site Rules
      Insulting other visitors is considered one of the most serious violations ...

      Not yet, but already close ...
      Understand, I never take offense at Internet entities. I practically never get offended at all.
      But being rude is bad. This is also a statement of fact.
      Quote: Altona
      Are you so fixated on my person or just such a person in life, alternatively thinking?

      Neither one nor the other. I have an interest in you ... purely gastronomic: well, I love (in this, ahem, section) trolls... and the affiliated bloggers Yes
      1. +4
        23 June 2018 21: 03
        Brack!
        Captain Golovan Jack, unlike you, your opponents have something to lose. I STRONGLY recommend to remember this and not to cross the line of tens. My opinion is that you are now engaged in a provocation.
        If the three of you are not slowing down, I will try everybody. Someone - to death.
        1. +4
          23 June 2018 21: 28
          Novel hi
          If the three of you are not slowing down, I will try everybody. Someone - to death.

          A phrase worthy of respect. good There would still remove the "stumbling block" and the dispute will fade away by itself. Though... recourse
        2. +1
          23 June 2018 21: 36
          Quote: Banshee
          If you three don't slow down

          I can’t vouch for three, I shut up hi
          1. +3
            24 June 2018 01: 33
            A pity! It was so interesting. Stone, paper scissors and a little vale laughing zhnika.
      2. +2
        23 June 2018 21: 17
        Oh, in vain you, dear Roman, have established such a diet for yourself. Look, today it’s worth noting that you began to prefer hotter and until you bring your opponent to the bleu state [fr. bleach] (this is a quick frying of the steak to the crust on each side., inside the meat is bright red, has nothing to do with the so-called our version of the "meat in French" with mayonnaise and cheese), and so, returning, until this moment you Do not stop the discussion and, as it were, do not experience satisfaction. Do you need to go further along this path?
        But I’m sure to read you, you are here as a forest orderly. Maybe some are quick-tempered and resentful, but they can also be understood.
        1. 0
          23 June 2018 21: 55
          You see the truth of life. After this post, deleted comments immediately went (maybe yours?) And you yourself disappeared somewhere. I say that such a diet will not bring to good.
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  31. +2
    23 June 2018 20: 52
    Quote: Gardamir
    And not just threatening, but rudely threatening. Looks like the best troll of the Kremlin. You ask him how he spent the New Year weekend, while the site was not working with the colonel, he scored points before the general, and then he became a marshal without wasting time. The spot is not on him on the site, for such fraud

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    Is it like that?
    1. +1
      23 June 2018 22: 06
      Altona, there was such a joke, with the mention of Gagarin:
      ... here it is - flew by. And you - (agree)
      I would, in your place, beware of publishing this
      for example
      1. 0
        23 June 2018 22: 29
        I dare to notice, but Roman never complained about his opponents. Do not sin with that which you do not know for sure. If they flew in, it was certainly not his fault. He himself will argue to the last, but resorting to a "blow below the belt" is not his creed.
  32. +6
    23 June 2018 20: 56
    Raising the retirement age doesn’t even make sense because of a lack of work, but raising the VAT will show us the sky in diamonds. Our company can really go bankrupt!
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  34. +11
    23 June 2018 21: 07
    Raising the retirement age is the state’s refusal of social obligations in relation to citizens of the country. And there will be no increase in pensions for current pensioners, i.e. the payout figure may increase by 7%, but in reality the retardation of pension payments from the increase in prices for goods purchased by them will be aggravated.
    The reason for raising the retirement age is a banal lack of money,
    due to an inefficient model of the economy,
    the irrepressible greed of effective managers and owners,
    uncontrolled export of capital.
    The country has low labor productivity. The reason for this is inefficient production due to the reluctance to invest in the development of own funds. Or funds from the state budget are allocated for modernization, but the enterprises that appear do not belong to the state, the profit from them is the income of private individuals, mainly foreign ones.
    Behind the figures of GDP growth is an increase in the price of manufactured goods, and the gross domestic product output not only does not grow, but also continues to decrease.
    This situation is one of the manifestations of latent genocide. The people began to live much worse, and the authorities are doing everything possible to push the population beyond survival.
    Dressed up in the "elite" party, is not even able to understand that she cuts the branch on which she sits. When they broadcast about low labor productivity, it seems that they believe that people work poorly and poorly, and understanding that high labor productivity is achieved only through the use of new technologies, for which money should be invested in their development and purchase, and it should not be the means of the state budget, but the means of the owners — there is no such understanding. Moreover, recognize that it is the state that should ensure the development of production by its legislative actions, and not invest money in stealing banks. And if this does not happen, then this is the fault of the authorities, who are not competent and cannot cope with their duties.
    Well settled. Instead of fulfilling their duties of developing the economy of the state, they are engaged in emptying the wallets of citizens, transferring considerable funds to the bloated accounts of the scanty part of the super-rich and not forgetting their loved ones.
    In assessing the activities of the authorities, there are two options, either limited mental and business abilities, or the conscious implementation of the destruction of the state and people.
    1. +1
      23 June 2018 21: 22
      hi To the very point! Can not argue with that!
    2. +2
      23 June 2018 22: 00
      Dear Eugene, I agree that the economy is really being raised by increasing labor efficiency and the ons factor - labor productivity. However, the authorities took a different path - the path of raising not productivity but labor intensity (roughly speaking - they make people run faster, for example, to the toilet and vice versa). Unfortunately, reserves to increase the economy are limited along this path.
    3. +5
      24 June 2018 01: 30
      Quote: olimpiada15
      The country has low labor productivity.

      A simple recount of GDP per capita? Tell me, what does the countless army of highly paid officials produce? Such a quantity is not even in the United States, with more than 2 times the population and with their huge budget. Even there, there is no such gap in the payment of officials and the average salary of citizens. But, there is a progressive scale of taxation and the absence of unmotivated benefits for anyone. Have you seen their palaces for officials? Maybe their government can “put a paw” on pension savings? Maybe, to pull out the billions from the budget to support buddies? There, accounting and control. In our country, mediocre "managers" are appointed to positions on the principle of loyalty to the Tsar in combination with rampant sloppiness, corruption, nepotism and embezzlement.
    4. +2
      24 June 2018 04: 46
      Quote: olimpiada15
      In assessing the activities of the authorities, there are two options, either limited mental and business abilities, or the conscious implementation of the destruction of the state and people.

      And if both? The theory of probability does not exclude this, and we are just lucky for idiots and egoists! Dumb princes-feudal lords are already breeding in the regions. There will be a weak central authority, the history of the USSR will be repeated. crying
  35. +2
    23 June 2018 21: 51
    in general, it is interesting if MSU does not know the intricacies of the dim strategy to save up on the elderly, then the conclusion of one Masonic lodge gave a circular for execution, and this is one of the moments of the strategy to destroy the Slavic peoples. Azarov drove a similar fool in Ukraine in 2011 under the name of the pension code, where rare critics rated the Soviet ruble to the hryvnia 30 to 1. Well, women were lowered to 60 and it so stirred up the masses of people against these rulers that when Yanukovych came to Donbass for help against the Kiev Natsik and the Dnieper Jews of Kolomoisky then the people of Donbass always united united sent him to x. The same thing will happen in Russia, the Dimon is doing its job; its GDP is changing in the elections, but pensions from 65 already work.
    1. +8
      23 June 2018 22: 53
      Quote: 23424636
      in general, it is interesting if MSU does not know the intricacies of the dim strategy to save up on the elderly, then the conclusion of one Masonic lodge gave a circular for execution, and this is one of the moments of the strategy to destroy the Slavic peoples.

      No need to hang dogs on the innocent. There are no Masons here, nor Trump, nor Gorbachev .... There is a group that has become dull from greed and has torn itself off from reality, to put it mildly, stupid people with authority, which, by its actions, pushes the country to anarchy.
  36. +6
    23 June 2018 22: 21
    Probably Abramovich and Deripaska, as well as Miller, Matvienko, Medvedev, Putin (the only one admitted to the galley fleet) are horrified by the proposed "reforms"! No, you can imagine - working all my life in the galleys and getting a pension of 14737,98? They started with themselves! They went for it! (by the way ... why did the king disappear from television screens?)
    1. 0
      24 June 2018 00: 42
      Everyone has a choice - you can not work hard all the time on the galleys, create your own business and work for yourself.
      1. +1
        24 June 2018 13: 31
        Quote: Vadim237
        Everyone has a choice - you can not work hard all the time on the galleys, create your own business and work for yourself.

        And how to do this, enlighten something.
        1. 0
          25 June 2018 18: 29
          The very first thing to believe in yourself - everything will work out.
          1. 0
            25 June 2018 18: 45
            Quote: Vadim237
            The very first thing to believe in yourself - everything will work out.

            I’m laughing at nimagu, the height of stupidity! laughingBoltology, objective economic factors such as the rapid monopolization of the market, you mean sweeping. Well, well.
          2. +1
            25 June 2018 18: 50
            Vadim, you can ask an immodest question how much workers get from you?
    2. +1
      24 June 2018 01: 35
      Of all the questions, this is the most interesting!
  37. 0
    23 June 2018 22: 34
    Something like this.....
  38. +3
    24 June 2018 08: 42
    the most frequent reform is EUTHANASIA, how many jobs will be vacated and new ones will be opened (prick, morgue, crematorium) at minimal cost
  39. +3
    24 June 2018 08: 57
    Quote: Vadim237
    Everyone has a choice - you can not work hard all the time on the galleys, create your own business and work for yourself.

    Brothers will inevitably come (now they are in uniform) and you will cease to have YOUR business. You will be returned to the galley.
    1. 0
      25 June 2018 18: 33
      Sorry - but no one came to me and to business acquaintances the same. And if ever they come, I know what to do - fiery greetings to the brothers and policemen.
  40. +2
    24 June 2018 09: 03
    There is no prophet in his own country! Nobody listens to scientists, sociologists, economists, brushing them off like bored flies. But if some Japanese or Dane says the same thing, then everything will turn around. Both commentators, politicians, and officials will bewilder, seize, zafeybuchatsya what you need to think before you do something. But he won’t say ...
  41. +1
    24 June 2018 09: 05
    Mdya, and after 45 or even 40 Mu try to earn. With such a reform. give me a gun. and I won’t pay taxes on anything.
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  42. +1
    24 June 2018 10: 06
    And how much money will be spent on sick leave for working non-pensioners older than 60, did anyone think about this? Or will they be canceled? belay
    1. 0
      25 June 2018 16: 14
      Quote: ibn.shamai
      And how much money will be spent on sick leave for working non-pensioners older than 60, did anyone think about this? Or will they be canceled?

      "If frail, immediately in the coffin. To maintain health, b, use people Wiping!" V. Vysotsky wassat laughing
  43. +1
    24 June 2018 10: 10
    The smartest man. Watch the show with him. TVC "The Right to Know" dated 23.06.18. http://hdron.tv/25752-pravo-znat-na-tvc-posledniy
    -vypusk-23062018-smotret-onlayn.html
  44. +1
    24 June 2018 14: 39
    Medvedev loves you, future pensioner! Breathe quietly. You are cremated.
    "Deputy: The state forked out only at the crematorium

    The state is obliged to increase the burial allowance, which today is only 5 rubles 740 kopecks. This was announced at a press conference by the deputy of the Legislative Assembly of the Leningrad Region Vladimir Petrov. He suggests adopting a law on the guaranteed payment of a certain amount to the heirs of a citizen in the event of his death before reaching retirement age. According to the deputy, this initiative is relevant in the context of the announced pension reform.
    “5 thousand 740 rubles, this is the amount for which it is impossible to bury in a coffin not only in Moscow, but also in any remote region. This is only a crematorium - nothing more. Amount must be increased. What heirs can expect in the event of a citizen's death in the pre-retirement period should directly depend on the total amount that a person has earned for his life. A person should have the right to write a will and distribute the money between relatives, ”said the deputy."
    1. +3
      24 June 2018 16: 52
      So one let slip. With a hangover or thoughtlessness, it doesn’t matter. The installation is available for the elimination of the SOVIET population. Well, they don’t understand how little people - thank you for the social state is necessary to calm the electorate, so that, God forbid, people did not climb the barricades. Anyway, there is a fear among hucksters, there are still a lot of Soviet ones.
    2. 0
      25 June 2018 16: 03
      Quote: Old Fuck
      The state is obliged to increase the burial allowance, which today is only 5 rubles 740 kopecks. This was announced at a press conference by the deputy of the Legislative Assembly of the Leningrad Region Vladimir Petrov.

      Amazing comments. I read for pleasure. I rarely see in my life people who are able to show the farce of the "Wise and God-Elected." If possible, continue to make a link to the source. I have already earned a warning to myself. I am a science, but I think it will be useful to you.
      1. +1
        25 June 2018 16: 12
        You are welcome. I have a neighbor 5 thousand. gets. The third group of disabilities, osteonchrosd, barely walks with a wand. And they don’t take any work.
  45. 0
    25 June 2018 18: 11
    Dull,
    I write in Russian and purposefully, but I see that other dialects?
    it makes no sense to communicate with you - sorry, but you are not an expert on the topic, but around and around I do not like it.
    I’m not writing to you anymore, and be so kind as you are.

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