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Destroyer "Leader": delayed or late?

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One of the most important and interesting projects of the domestic military shipbuilding is a destroyer of the “Leader” type. While it is in the early stages, but in the near future, the construction of the lead ship of the new series should start. However, according to recent statements, the laying of the first destroyer shifts noticeably. For several reasons, the construction will be able to start only at the beginning of the next decade - much later than previously planned.


The latest official information on the progress of the Leader project was announced on June 20. The Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, Vice-Admiral Viktor Bursuk, dealing with shipbuilding, spoke about the latest achievements and plans for the future. According to him, the advance design of the prospective ship has already been completed, and now the fleet is taking decisions. In the near future, shipbuilding engineers will begin developing a technical project. The construction of the first "Leader" should start after the 2020 year.



Thus, the Ministry of Defense continues the program of developing a new ship and is preparing for its future construction. However, as follows from recent reports, the laying of the new destroyer will take place with a certain delay in relation to previously announced plans. A few years ago, the military department published approximate plans for the coming years, in which the development of a new destroyer destroyer was present, followed by the beginning of its construction. Against the background of recent posts, these plans looked very interesting.

The presentation “Equipment with modern weapons, military and special equipment”, which is still present on the official website of the Ministry of Defense, covered the period from 2013 to 2020. It reflected plans for the overall results of rearmament, as well as the desired purchases of military products and promising projects. In the "cards" of several years there was a certain destroyer project. Apparently, it was about the development, known under the code "Leader".

The new destroyer was first mentioned in the plans for 2013 year, the project implementation period - before the start of 2019. Similar information was maintained until 2017, inclusive. Plans for the current 2018 year indicate that the destroyer project will be implemented before December 30. In the following 2019 and 2020 years there is no destroyer in the plans: apparently, due to the transition from the design stage to construction.

It should be noted that similar terms for the development of the project and the start of construction of the lead ship "Leader" were repeatedly mentioned in the past in official statements and in various press publications. However, information about a possible change in the schedule of work appeared later. Now the deputy commander-in-chief of the Navy has confirmed that the laying of the future Leader will take place only in the next decade. At the same time, as often happens, the official report did not cite the reasons for the shift in deadlines.

According to previously published data, the development of the project with the code "Leader" is carried out by the Northern Design Bureau (St. Petersburg). The first reports of the beginning of work in this direction appeared in 2010. At that time, it was about working out a pre-draft project. Subsequently, the new destroyer became a hero several times News. Basically, they affected certain technical features of the project. In February 2013, it became known that the command fleet approved the proposed pre-draft design, and the development of a new ship was to go to the next stage.

Only two years later, the Northern PKB continued work; The program has moved to the stage of preliminary design. These works were completed in about a year and a half - at the end of 2016. However, after that there was a new break. For some unidentified reasons, the conceptual design was approved with a noticeable delay - only in the middle of 2017. After that, the organization-designer could proceed to the development of design documentation necessary for the subsequent construction of the ship. However, this stage of work did not start without delay.

From recent statements by Vice-Admiral Bursuk, it follows that the development of a technical project has not yet begun, and the military department is looking for the necessary solutions. The start of the next stage of development work belongs to the near future. All this had a clear impact on the timing of the start of subsequent work. Bookmark the lead ship project 23560 "Leader" had to be postponed to the beginning of the twenties, and the exact date has not yet been named. Moreover, for the time being it cannot be ruled out that the command will again have to change plans and work schedules.

Considering the available data on the progress of the “Leader” project, it is not at all difficult to notice that the ship's developer, represented by the Northern PKB, did an excellent job with its tasks. All the design stages were carried out in the shortest possible time, and their result did not seem to be seriously criticized and was quickly approved by the customer. Nevertheless, two sufficiently large pauses have already taken place, which have a negative effect on the general terms of work performance. Their reasons have not yet been announced at the official level, and therefore we have to rely only on estimates and assumptions.

Why is the project "Leader", despite all the successes, still far enough from the start of construction, and what factors prevent to implement all the plans in the desired time frame? Having an incomplete amount of data from officials, as well as taking into account some assumptions or even rumors, you can find several answers to this question at once. At the same time, it is obvious that the 23560 project, which is notable for its particular complexity, simply could not face some known problems.

First of all, the risk factor should be considered the complexity and novelty of the project as a whole. The Russian shipbuilding industry for a long time did not develop and did not build such large surface ships with outstanding characteristics. Having partially lost experience in this matter, the industry may face known problems, which, among other things, should lead to delays in work. However, in the field of design, apparently, there are no significant problems of this kind. It is known that the draft design of the “Leader” did not take too long, and this gives reason for optimism.

It should be noted that new problems may arise in the very near future - at the stage of technical design. In particular, we can expect some difficulties with the creation and delivery of individual components. Thus, the “Leader” is planned to be equipped with a nuclear power plant, the development of which is a very difficult task. Problems of this project that can occur at different stages will have a negative impact on the entire construction program for destroyers. It is also not possible to exclude any difficulties in the line of armaments and avionics.

The problem of the new 23560 project may turn into a search for a site for the construction of the lead and serial ships. According to the most realistic estimates, the future Leader should have a length of the order of 200 m with a width of at least 20 m and a draft of more than 5-6 m. Not all domestic shipbuilding enterprises are able to build such a large ship, and platforms with the required potential are already loaded with orders for few years ahead. As a result, the customer and the contractor will have to plan the construction taking into account the current and future possibilities of the industry.

The largest sites for construction are available at the Severodvinsk plant Sevmash, however, they are fully and for many years ahead busy with the construction of new nuclear submarines and the repair of the nuclear cruiser Admiral Nakhimov. The situation is similar with the Baltic Shipyard, which is currently building icebreakers. The Zvezda complex in the Far East has not been completed yet, and modernization is continuing on the Gulf in the city of Kerch. Also for the construction of destroyers, it will be possible to use the new slipway with a slipway, which will appear at the Severnaya Verf plant in St. Petersburg next year.

It is quite possible that several significant interruptions in the design of a new warship were connected at once with several causes of various kinds, but some conclusions can be drawn from the available data. The most serious factor that most influences the prospects for shipbuilding should be the specificity of shipyards. All large sites are already loaded with orders and are engaged in solving the most urgent problems. In such conditions, the new destroyer, with all its positive features and importance for the fleet, finds itself in a difficult situation.

However, so far it is not necessary to exclude the factors associated with the design of the ship and its individual systems, as well as other difficulties characteristic of the development work. But, as already noted, the pre-design and preliminary design of the “Leader” was completed in the shortest possible time, and pauses arose between them - this fully justifies the designers and their development.



Everything indicates that the Ministry of Defense and the command of the fleet see the current situation in the areas of creating new projects and building ships that have already been ordered, and also takes it into account when drawing up plans. At least until the end of this decade, the shipyards will not be able to find free space for laying the head "Leader", and therefore the Navy decided not to hurry with its development. Designers shipbuilders will be able to work out a technical project in a relaxed atmosphere and without haste, having fulfilled all the requirements of the customer, as well as in time finding and correcting possible shortcomings.

As a result of current decisions, the construction of the first destroyer Leader will begin no earlier than 2020 of the year, and the fleet will be able to receive this ship only in the middle of the decade. Of course, such terms may not suit the commanders or the public, but in the current situation they turn out to be a reasonable compromise between desires and possibilities. Moreover, in the end, the Russian Navy will still receive new ships with high performance and outstanding combat capabilities.

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According to previously published data, the 23560 “Leader” project provides for the construction of a destroyer with guided missile weapons with a displacement of at least 14-16 KT. The ship will have a length on the order of 200 m with a draft of more than 5-6 m. Previously, the possibility of using nuclear or conventional power plant; later a reactor based system was selected. With its help, the ship will be able to reach speeds up to 30-32 nodes, and the cruising range will be virtually unlimited. Autonomy is limited only by food supplies and the capabilities of the crew.

The main strike weapons "Leader" will be cruise missiles of several types that have different purposes. Such products will be located in the cells of the universal launcher, the total ammunition - a few dozen missiles of all types. It is also planned to use modern anti-aircraft complexes of several types capable of organizing echeloned defense. The installation of an artillery installation with an 130 mm caliber gun and a modern torpedo complex is envisaged. Also, the ship will be able to carry a couple of helicopters.

At the exhibitions of recent years, the model of a future destroyer has been demonstrated several times, having received a recognizable multi-tiered superstructure with characteristic panels covering the antennas of different systems. However, it cannot be excluded that at certain design stages the appearance of the ship will change noticeably.

In recent years, the topic of the possible number of “Leaders” has been raised repeatedly. So, in 2016, the possibility of building 20 destroyers was mentioned in press reports. A little later, less ambitious plans in the form of eight ships were announced. New information on this subject is no longer received, and, apparently, while the plans of the military department are really present no more than 8-10 promising ships of the "Leader" type.

Recent news does not give much reason for optimism. The development of pre-draft and outline versions of the new Leader project, despite some delays, was completed last year. However, the next work will take some time, and the laying of the first destroyer will take place no earlier than 2020 of the year. The Russian Navy will still be able to get a new large surface ship with modern equipment and weapons, but not in the very near future. He will have to wait a few more years.

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  1. Graz
    Graz 25 June 2018 06: 38
    +4
    by 2030mu will do
    1. atesterev
      atesterev 25 June 2018 13: 51
      +1
      ... if Allah pleases
    2. ALEXXX1983
      ALEXXX1983 25 June 2018 18: 33
      +1
      Quote: Graz
      by 2030mu will do

      Well, if so. And then they can by the 3020th.
    3. A_L_F
      A_L_F 25 June 2018 21: 59
      +3
      Fuck he is needed, Russia is not going to fight with the Papuans, and with a new weapon it turns into a tin can
    4. KLV2018
      KLV2018 30 June 2018 14: 15
      -2
      Quote: Graz
      by 2030mu will do

      project.
    5. yehat
      yehat 1 July 2018 16: 59
      0
      In the near future, shipbuilding engineers will begin to develop a technical project

      the leader’s project has a lot of problems
      this ship is obliged to play the role of URO, but with missiles there are some misunderstandings:
      if with calibers more or less everything is clear, and with pure anti-ship missiles, then with anti-aircraft missiles it’s a complete tin. There are many missiles, there is a choice, but all marine modifications are already out of date.
      But besides this, there is no sane unified fire control and target designation system. And for such a large ship such a system is needed. Terms of development, based on the experience of Americans - 10-15 years to a combat-ready state.
      Further, radar equipment is a big question, whether we can make at least equal to Chinese equipment, in addition, again we need modern software to control new systems.
      The discussion of the nuclear propulsion system is because there is no way to make a modern conventional engine.
      Etc. A lot of problems, which rests on the "optimization" and compression of industrial production.
      Personally, I believe that the construction of the "Leader" now is an unwise decision or a brazen drink. To make it normal, you need to develop and test the technology of modern weapons of URO on a cheaper platform of the frigate, simultaneously restoring the production of components.
  2. svp67
    svp67 25 June 2018 06: 44
    0
    The ship will have a length of about 200 m with a draft of more than 5-6 m.
    Recently there was information that, due to the lack of the required number of docks of this length, it was decided to limit it to 140-150 meters in length and abandon the nuclear installation, in favor of the conventional one, which would allow it to be built on all fleets.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 25 June 2018 06: 47
      +11
      Quote: svp67
      Recently there was information that due to the lack of the proper number of docks of this length, it was decided to limit it to 140-150 meters in length and abandon the nuclear installation, in favor of the usual one.

      and ordinary netuti ... request maybe they’ll at least do the “motor” when .. so much already according to the “leader” of "tales" that you don’t know what to believe ..
      1. svp67
        svp67 25 June 2018 07: 39
        +2
        Quote: Dead Day
        and ordinary netuti ...

        Well, by the time production begins, they say that it will APPEAR. It makes no sense to have one type of ship with nuclear weapons, when the rest of the squadron is on conventional engines. Expensive and does not give any effect.
        1. arkadiyssk
          arkadiyssk 25 June 2018 08: 12
          +11
          Yeah, that's just unfortunate propulsion should not appear at the beginning of the construction of the ship, but at the beginning of its design. It is not known which turbines will still come out, and the size and location of the fuel tanks depend on this to ensure the required autonomy, it is not known what dimensions and power points the fastenings in the engine room depend on, it is not known what power, and the parameters of other parts depend on the parameters of power supply and t .d. You can of course then customize everything and redo it "in place", but have the torment of Ivan Gren really been taught nothing?
          1. svp67
            svp67 25 June 2018 08: 14
            +2
            Quote: arkadiyssk
            but really didn’t the torment of Ivan Gren teach anything?

            Apparently taught, while there is talk only about DESIGN.
          2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 June 2018 12: 04
            +1
            Quote: arkadiyssk
            Yeah, that's just unfortunate propulsion should not appear at the beginning of the construction of the ship, but at the beginning of its design

            As far as I know, this is RITM-200, is being tested on icebreakers now. And turbines - they are probably only being developed
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 25 June 2018 13: 26
        +1
        Quote: Dead Day
        and ordinary netuti ...

        Has already. Experienced domestic gas turbine for 22350 has been around for a year now. The first production was promised this year.
        1. yehat
          yehat 1 July 2018 17: 07
          0
          I doubt that there will be enough power
    2. AUL
      AUL 25 June 2018 08: 22
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      Recently there was information that, due to the lack of the required number of docks of this length, it was decided to limit it to 140-150 meters in length and abandon the nuclear installation, in favor of the conventional one, which would allow it to be built on all fleets.

      If the issue of the type of power plant has not yet been resolved, then what kind of technical project development can be discussed at all? Anyone who is in the know about design will laugh heartily! And about the terms here and remember inappropriate ...
    3. Chicha squad
      Chicha squad 25 June 2018 13: 51
      0
      The reactor came to mind and, due to the lack of gas turbines
  3. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 25 June 2018 08: 12
    0
    Outwardly handsome. It’s a pity that its financial component of our time is undermining. I am afraid that for the same reason the series will be from 1 - 2 pieces ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 June 2018 10: 24
      +1
      Now the main thing is to do the corvettes and frigates in the right amount, and then everything else.
    2. Valery Saitov
      Valery Saitov 26 June 2018 11: 15
      0
      So grandmas have already started printing under them (200s and 2000s), it is planned to print 300 billion each year. There is enough paper for everything.
  4. Curious
    Curious 25 June 2018 08: 38
    +20
    It is felt that both the leadership of the government and the leadership of the army and navy are a single, united team.
    The fundamental and universal principle of work was announced by the Prime Minister: "There is simply no money now. We will find the money - we will do the indexing. You stay here, all the best to you, good mood and health."
    Deputy Navy Commander-in-Chief: "There is simply no money now. And there is no project. We will find the money - we will build the destroyer. You hold on, swim while you have it, you have all the best, good mood and seven feet under the keel."
    A separate respect to the author, who from this short message was able to produce an entire article. Writing so much and about nothing is also a talent.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 25 June 2018 11: 09
      +4
      Quote: Curious
      A separate respect to the author, who from this short message was able to produce an entire article. Writing so much and about nothing is also a talent.
      I agree with you, these lines are especially touching
      Considering the available data on the progress of the Leader project, it is not at all difficult to notice that the ship's developer, represented by the Northern Design Bureau, did an excellent job. All design stages were carried out in the shortest possible time, and their result did not seem to be subjected to serious criticism and rather quickly approved by the customer.

      Since there is not even a draft version provided to the general public, there is a suspicion that the budget money is simply being spent on designing, redesigning - here the Northern PKB does an excellent job, the author is absolutely right lol
  5. Engineer
    Engineer 25 June 2018 08: 46
    +3
    It is necessary to build the Gorshkovs, and preferably the Super Gorshkovs, at an accelerated pace. They are needed yesterday. And when there will be several dozen of them in all Fleets, then it will already be possible to think about clean aircraft carriers and their protection by such giants as the Leader. This is a piece of goods. And the Gorshkovs are the workhorses of the Navy.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 25 June 2018 15: 11
      0
      Quote: Engineer
      It is necessary to build the Gorshkovs, and preferably the Super Gorshkovs, at an accelerated rate. They are needed yesterday.

      Under which complex to build? Without the SAM, the Gorshkov DD is useless. And Poliment-Redoubt has been experiencing for 10 years - and regularly shift the deadlines. And if earlier it was possible to blame the dvigatelistov - they say, why lay the FR, if there is no gas turbine engine - now all 22350 problems are only in the air defense system.
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 25 June 2018 15: 19
      +1
      On 10 frigates of the Admiral Gorshkov type there will be as many missiles as on 2 US destroyers of the Arly Burke type ... Only the USA has 66, and there are also cruisers and destroyers of the new Zumvolt type ...

      New types of weapons as well as nuclear power plants are being tested, shipyards and ports are being modernized ...

      Everything is taking its course, there will be frigates in the fleet, there will be new destroyers ...
  6. mvg
    mvg 25 June 2018 09: 44
    +2
    As usual, "water diluted with water" ...
    From empty to empty ... nothing new and again copy-paste. The entire article can be put in 2 paragraphs of the "news".
    According to the most realistic estimates, the future Leader should have a length of about 200 m with a width of at least 20 m and a draft of more than 5-6 m

    You can repeat this again in the article, suddenly some people have already forgotten the parameters while reading the article.
  7. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 25 June 2018 10: 22
    +4
    such a destroyer is not needed = there are no tasks, there is no money for it either, and there is no design, and there are no ports, and there are no docks, and there are no plants for it, because there is no TK concept, except for general statements and a children's layout ....
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 25 June 2018 15: 15
      +2
      Russia needs the destroyer now more than ever, only the United States has more than 60 pieces, Japan has more than 30, the task is the same as that of the rest of the fleet - protecting Russia and its interests, only the destroyer is easier to carry out than the frigate and especially the corvette , the larger the ship - the more powerful it is in armaments for both the attacker and the air defense, and the more survivability it has ...
      Designing is on ...
      Shipyards are being built and modernized, as are the ports ...
      Arms are being driven in by Admiral Gorshkov-type frigates, and a nuclear reactor on new Arctic-type icebreakers ...
      Everything is going according to plan ... Here, we have not yet decided on the corvettes on which concept to build them, everything is changing very quickly, now the emphasis is already on invisibility, and even with the destroyers it will be all the more difficult ...
      1. A_L_F
        A_L_F 25 June 2018 22: 07
        0
        Against Poseidon, all these destroyers turn into a tin can
  8. merkava-2bet
    merkava-2bet 25 June 2018 12: 49
    0
    I don’t want to offend the author, but all this is an interpretation and assumptions, since there is no official information. For example, according to TACR like Kirov, modernization is also only a fortune-telling.
  9. Horse, people and soul
    Horse, people and soul 25 June 2018 13: 40
    +1
    Before the war, STEAM PACKS made these 30-32 knots. Well, okay, not exactly steamboats, but warships like the battleship-cruiser-destroyer showed a maximum speed of 30-32 knots.

    Why not make a three-hull ship? Will it have greater stability and less draft and better survivability and shorter length due to the increased width without compromising the speed characteristics of the hull?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 25 June 2018 15: 38
      0
      The main problem of multihull ships is that a warship needs, in addition to the deck area, the height and volume of the hull. For example, for the installation of 10-meter (high) UVP (it is highly recommended not to raise them high - both for security reasons and not to repeat the fate of the Captain BR). Or to accommodate differing in large volumes of GAS.
    2. Beltasir matyagu
      Beltasir matyagu 25 June 2018 21: 13
      0
      It’s hard to say, they are probably more complicated and expensive.
  10. Conductor
    Conductor 25 June 2018 14: 25
    0
    How much noise, and things are still there. Well, this "elite" is not capable of constructive construction.
  11. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 25 June 2018 15: 00
    +1
    Stop whining ... About 10 years ago there was no talk of delivering new equipment to the troops, and now they whine that the destroyer is not being laid ... You don’t have to lay a lot of mind, but to finish the construction and get a really new destroyer simply...
    This ship can be used for a rather long time, all weapons on it are modular, so it will be easy to upgrade, just replacing missiles in launchers that anti-ship, that air defense, with radar and others will be more difficult, it will be even more difficult to do something with low visibility ship if you don’t pay attention to it now ...
    Therefore, you should not rush, you need to work out everything thoroughly, types of weapons to test on frigates of the Admiral Gorshkov type, evaluate the expediency of the same low visibility, and use it to the maximum on our destroyer ... And then, while we are laughing at the Zumvolt, it may well it turns out that our radars will detect it much later than he does our ships, and the active homing heads of our missiles will easily go astray, because they will not be able to determine where the destroyer is and where the false target is. If at all able to detect it ...
    I am pleased that the project is being developed, pleased that the shipyards at Zvezda and Sevmash and Kerch are being modernized ... The nuclear reactor is already on the icebreaker "Arktika" with a displacement of 33 tons (540 reactors), whether it will then stand on the Leader ?! I think that it is quite possible that he or some newer version of it ...
    So it turns out that now we are testing new types of weapons on frigates, on icebreakers the engines and upgrading the shipyards, and at the same time we are working on a project for a new destroyer ...
    Everything will work out and there is nothing to do with the unreasonable rush here, we need not the Arly Burke analog, but a much better destroyer, with an optimal combination of price and quality and subsequent service ... We will not be able to compete with our "partners" in the number of destroyers , we must at least be a little better in quality, so that with skillful tactics we have a chance to win, if all of a sudden our "partners" consider our country not democratic enough and send their armads to our shores ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 25 June 2018 15: 48
      0
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      This ship can be used for a sufficiently long time, all weapons on it are modular, so it will be easy to upgrade, just by replacing missiles in launchers that are anti-ship and anti-aircraft

      Yeah ... the Yankees thought so too. And then, according to rumors, the hypersonic version of the anti-ship missiles did not fit in the UVP. And they had to do subsonic LRASM.
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Therefore, you should not rush, you need to work out everything thoroughly, type of weapons to test on frigates of the Admiral Gorshkov type, evaluate the expediency of the same low visibility, and use it to the maximum on our destroyer ...

      10 years. For ten years, it is “running in” on 22350 air defense missile systems DD. We already managed to do the domestic gas turbine engine - but the air defense system does not give up.
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Everything will work out and there is nothing to do with the unreasonable rush here, we need not the Arly Burke analog, but a much better destroyer, with an optimal combination of price and quality and subsequent maintenance ...

      This is the "Arly Burke" - a massive serial budget ship. And we always get small-scale wunderwaffes, a thin layer smeared in all fleets.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 25 June 2018 16: 05
        +1
        10 years. For ten years, it is “running in” on 22350 air defense missile systems DD. We already managed to do the domestic gas turbine engine - but the air defense system does not give up.

        Where and what for 10 years have we run in ?! The frigate Admiral Gorshkov only passes the state tests and has not yet entered service, and you want to lay the destroyer ?!

        And tomorrow it turns out that we need to do not the massive “Arly Burke”, but something like “Zumvolt” ...

        The destroyer is a serious project and serious money, which is already in short supply, so you need to spend it wisely ...

        We need destroyers, but it’s not worth rushing with them, you need to work through everything and check all the systems, and then put it on the conveyor and make them as many as you need for parity with our “partners” ...

        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 25 June 2018 19: 18
          +1
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Where and what for 10 years have we run in ?! The frigate Admiral Gorshkov only passes the state tests and has not yet entered service, and you want to lay the destroyer ?!

          For 10 years we have been testing a ship's air defense air defense system DD. Without which, nobody needs a new EM, as well as reFR.
          The fact of the matter is that with mantras "You should not rush, you need to work out everything thoroughly“we’ll approach the EM bookmark somewhere in the middle of the century. For the same ship’s air defense system, it’s necessary to thoroughly study not the air defense system itself, but its developers - in order to understand whether it is time to bury stewardess © and issue the order to another KB.
    2. LomKuvaldych
      LomKuvaldych 26 June 2018 22: 41
      -1
      10 years ago, Putin was in power, and oil was worth 100 bucks. So why was there no talk of arms shipments?
  12. Tektor
    Tektor 25 June 2018 15: 20
    0
    KMK, the main delay with the Leader is due to the impossibility of designing without taking the final shape of the marine S-500 and Poliment-Reduta. Only after completion of the development of circuit diagrams and division schemes can we understand the dimensions of the equipment and its data on the consumption of supply systems.
  13. Ivan Lazarchev
    Ivan Lazarchev 25 June 2018 18: 36
    +2
    All the same - why the destroyer then. This is a nuclear missile cruiser. It turns out to be larger than Moscow. Let the destroyers be enlarged frigates such as AFSS Gorshkov.
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 25 June 2018 23: 18
      0
      I agree. Since a nuclear reactor and the best weapons are used, and the series are small and everything needs to be created for it, (IMHO, of course) it would be worthwhile to score a displacement and build a missile cruiser, which can do anything like 1144. At least 32 cells for cruise missiles, zoned air defense complex, self-defense air defense system, the best of the available ASG, torpedoes of normal calibers, and not just the Package and other anti-aircraft equipment, 3 helicopters, 2 towers with double-barreled marine variants of the Coalition, etc. Can even book not only the reactor (to the delight of Kaptsov).
  14. Beltasir matyagu
    Beltasir matyagu 25 June 2018 20: 51
    0
    Maybe behind this, shipyards in the Far East are being hastily being built now?
  15. LomKuvaldych
    LomKuvaldych 25 June 2018 20: 52
    -1
    Everything is stuffed with fairy tales that once they build something very cool. And in fact, something in the amount of 2-3 pieces will be bungled, when the USA, China, Japan will have such de or better ships ten times more.
    1. A_L_F
      A_L_F 25 June 2018 22: 12
      0
      Enough to carry the blizzard, they built these tin cans against the Papuans, they link them to fight, as they rake in full and these coffins will be a mass grave
      1. LomKuvaldych
        LomKuvaldych 26 June 2018 22: 42
        -1
        Cheap pseudo-patriotic squeals.
  16. Anton Yu
    Anton Yu 27 June 2018 09: 53
    +1
    A frigate with a displacement of 4000 tons has been built for 8 years, but how long will it be built? Yes, and it seems to me wiser to first build an 8000t destroyer and, in his experience, build a 16000t ship.
  17. Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 29 June 2018 09: 20
    +1
    And if you order the case to China, and stick your stuffing? Their ships are being built much faster than ours.
  18. boriz
    boriz 20 September 2018 00: 42
    0
    And why is it needed if, closer to the threatened period, to fit a couple of dozen rusty pelvis with a bunch of containers on board. Well, in containers - what the doctor ordered. Either Gauges or the container version of the X-101/102 .... Cheap and cheerful. In the best traditions of raider war.