The next release of lieutenants is scheduled for December.

The Defense Ministry has introduced a new graduation schedule for young officers: the first release this year took place in March, the second is scheduled for December, according to News.

In 2019, graduates of military schools will join the troops in the month of October. Accelerated graduation is associated with the transition of schools from a five-year to a four-year program of study.

It is expected that schools will return to the regular “June” graduation schedule in 2020 year.

In total, in 2018, about 2 thousand lieutenants will go to the troops, that is, 3 times more than a year earlier. Experiment on the transition to 4-year training program recognized by the command successful.

It is reported that cadets who will have to graduate from universities in transition will receive a full-fledged education. Hours allocated for basic subjects will not be reduced - the training schedule will only be compressed.

According to military expert Viktor Litovkin, the duration of training is reduced mainly due to military training. Previously, the cadets went on an internship to get acquainted with the service directly to the troops. However, they would not answer for anything.

The expert believes that it is not necessary to spend time on internships - it would be better if the graduate immediately falls into the part where he receives command and personnel and military equipment. This will increase the level of responsibility of the young lieutenant and allow you to quickly get into the army life.

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[klaus16]

And we studied for 4 years already. SVVAUL 94 year of release. What is the hobby?

[figwam]

Quote: klaus16

What is the hobby?

Where they studied for 5 years, now they study for 4 years. Although still there are schools where they study for 5 years.

[maykl8]

The “hobbyhorse" is that you need a lot, a lot of lieutenants. With a margin.

[forester]

Quote: maykl8

The “hobbyhorse" is that you need a lot, a lot of lieutenants. With a margin.

What for? I remember the first lieutenant Skribin, a teacher of the NWP, I don’t need to assure you (I preferred school instead of the service) - I was kicked out of school for dipping him in the toilet, and conditionally gottenten for him (I had to go to trial a little before the trial ), although he did not break his rib and collarbone - only his nose ... also to me .... officer ...

[maykl8]

You do not know what problems this lieutenant had. My major colleague, with whom the First Chechen war was fought, was paralyzed by his wife while he was at war. So from the war he was sent home to take care of his wife and two boys. Then he was transferred to the draft board.
And they threw them into the toilet of the senior lieutenant in vain;

[MPN]

Quote: klaus16

And we studied for 4 years already. SVVAUL 94 year of release. What is the hobby?

Well, they used to teach everything at the school and, due to the increase in the level of complexity of equipment and other things, they switched to 5 years, now they are studying at the World of Tanks school, and they are already prepared for the school ...

[maykl8]

And during the Second World War, the lieutenant was prepared for 10 months and Berlin was taken.

[Jackyun]

Judging by your remark, you have no idea about the training system in military schools.

[Sands Careers General]

I studied since 2003, in 2005 there was an oath, now the same epaulets, as you have below the avatar.
And in the war, for several months, people here received heavy shoulder straps and a responsible position.

[maykl8]

I wonder if it will be possible to completely fill the troops with personnel officers and abandon graduates of civilian universities? In the 90s and 0s, “jackets” were the scourge of the RF Armed Forces. Officers with the intelligence of ordinary "understand."

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: maykl8

I wonder if it will be possible to completely fill the troops with personnel officers and abandon graduates of civilian universities? In the 90s and 0s, “jackets” were the scourge of the RF Armed Forces. Officers with the intelligence of ordinary "understand."

"Jackets" were a disgrace to the sun. And not only from the 90s, but also earlier. And the trouble was not only that they had knowledge and skills at the level of a rookie-sled. The trouble and shame was that they did not feel like officers, and in fact they were not, although they wore officer epaulettes.

[anjey]

There were also well prepared jackets from the highest engineering who served in the technical staff of the SA ...

[Moore]

In the 90s, jackets from NSTU and other universities could be said to save the missile division in Novosibirsk from personnel starvation.
The first thing that 70% of the Pepsi generation lieutenants from the Higher School of Education did when they arrived in the unit did the standard leaflet. The report on dismissal to write ... Not a pair of jackets, pros ...

[ramzes1776]

Quote: Nikolai Fedorov

Quote: maykl8

I wonder if it will be possible to completely fill the troops with personnel officers and abandon graduates of civilian universities? In the 90s and 0s, “jackets” were the scourge of the RF Armed Forces. Officers with the intelligence of ordinary "understand."

"Jackets" were a disgrace to the sun. And not only from the 90s, but also earlier. And the trouble was not only that they had knowledge and skills at the level of a rookie-sled. The trouble and shame was that they did not feel like officers, and in fact they were not, although they wore officer epaulettes.

And what is different from cadets? There are no guards, there are no outfits in the dining room, the territory is not cleaned, they are not put on the lip, there are no internships in the troops, they live outside the school. They walk like students only in order and in uniform. Everyone comes to the troops with 5 cents each.

[Oden280]

What is such a high school such heavenly conditions? In the CROWD and outfits, and guards. and the barracks. Cleaning and landscaping is generally a separate song, as well as the traditional attraction of cadets for various works. Instead of internships in senior courses, several missions to the troops.

[ramzes1776]

Quote: Oden280

What is such a high school such heavenly conditions? In the CROWD and outfits, and guards. and the barracks. Cleaning and landscaping is generally a separate song, as well as the traditional attraction of cadets for various works. Instead of internships in senior courses, several missions to the troops.

Penza Artillery Engineering Institute a branch of the Volsky Academy of Logistics. I don’t know how it is now about internships. At the end of the 90s, we had practice and internship at the GRAU arsenal stupidly working on loading and unloading various ammunition, and also loaded civilian wagons with brass sleeves from the SU-100 and SU-122 to send to color points))

[Oden280]

In the 90s there was a mess everywhere.

[taiga2018]

Quote: maykl8

Intelligent Officers

but such an officer is just a gift for a soldier ...

[maykl8]

It depends on when. If you need to get drunk and fill your face with a friend then yes. And during the war - “jacket” - “death sentence” to a soldier.

[Felix99]

Do not bend, officers are different, regardless of the university.

[vladimirZ]

officers are different, regardless of university. - felix99

They write poorly about “jackets”, graduates of military departments of civilian universities, usually those who have not served, and do not know the army service.
He was a former biennial in the mid-70s, then there was no term “jacket”, a graduate of the military department, he served as a technician for the MIG-21 aircraft, in civilian specialties was an engineer operating aircraft and engines, and the only one in the squadron who had higher education in aviation specialty, everyone else, including squadron engineer - deputy. IES comedians had a secondary education, except for two-year-olds called up from non-core civilian universities. The rank of lieutenant, upon dismissal, was assigned the senior.
We had almost half of the squadron two-year-old aircraft technology, and served no worse than personnel. There was not a single case of pilots refusing to fly on our airplanes; they actually trusted us with their lives. The technical crew of the aircraft consisted of an officer - a technician of an SD (airplane engine) aircraft and a soldier of a fixed-term mechanic.
Moreover, the two-year-olds were not only from civilian universities, but also from civilian secondary schools - aviation technical schools of Civil Aviation - they came to the Army with the rank of junior lieutenants.
My conclusion is that the two-year-olds are “jackets”: normal officers, comparable to those who came from military schools at the same time. Everything depended on the command of the military unit, on the proper organization of the commissioning of young officers, both personnel and two-year-olds, if the organization of commissioning was organized, then it provided proper preparation for the service of two-year-olds - they had enough knowledge. After six months of service, the two-year-olds and the young cadres no longer differed from each other.
This is especially true of engineering military specialties. It is more complicated with team specialties; not only knowledge is needed there, but also a character, which, by the way, wasn’t for some personnel.
Regarding "And during the war - a" jacket "- a" death sentence "to a soldier," stupidity was not confirmed by the experience of the Great Patriotic War, when instead of the knocked out personnel, reserve men, or the same 3-6 month old conscripts with secondary school education, were called up . Service and war are quick to learn.

[ramzes1776]

Quote: vladimirZ

The former biennial himself of the mid-70s, then there was no term "jacket", a graduate of the military department, served as a technician for the MIG-21 aircraft

Do not compare the service of the "jackets" at the airport with the service in the motorized gunship is not the best part with the personnel of the frostbitten train consisting of Dag, Buryats and other minorities. Out of a couple of dozens of people, only a few were suited for such a service, and the rest are the same fighters, and also Alkanauts)

[chenia]

Quote: vladimirZ

This is especially true of engineering military specialties. It’s more difficult with team specialties,

Absolutely right. Moreover, in terms of technical training, they were stronger than personnel graduating from specialized engineering schools, and even academies. And this allowed to solve many problems in part. And many were offered to stay, and stayed.

The commanders from the "populists, so in my time they were called names, weaker. No special training, knowledge of tactics and relevant documents is low (well, perhaps the geological faculty (for artillery) is less sensible), work with people - but here it’s from character (naturally certain army techniques they don’t know), but they can show their will if they wish.

Well, something like this.

[basmach]

Do not carry nonsense. In my regiment, where I got after graduation, the regiment engineer for PrNK had a jacket, a competent and normal officer. There were aircraft technicians, also normal. There were gouges (but not fools), and among the staff there were enough (and fools too). At the "deaf-mute" my boss. Groups — was from jackets — and also normal.

[ramzes1776]

Quote: basmach

Do not carry nonsense. In my regiment, where I got after graduation, the regiment engineer for PrNK had a jacket, a competent and normal officer. There were aircraft technicians, also normal. There were gouges (but not fools), and among the staff there were enough (and fools too). At the "deaf-mute" my boss. Groups — was from jackets — and also normal.

You troops were generally in the infantry ??? In the emergency regiment?

[basmach]

Well, the army is not from the same infantry, and it’s not necessary to comb all under one comb. And if you had such a mess, then the fault of the commander and deputies. We also had a drinker (there was an airplane technician from Moscow, 2's year-old.) But he went out on flights and sober, and flew on 3 day a week.

[vladimirZ]

We also had a fan of drinking (there was a plane technician from Moscow, a 2-year-old.) But he went out on flights and sober — they flew 3 days a week. - basmach

A colleague, in our squadron there were two personnel technicians of the Alconaut aircraft (demoted to junior lieutenants for this), alcohol as you know in aviation was given to us according to the norm - for example, our airplane technician received a bottle of alcohol a month, an alcohol tank on MIG-21 it was, as I recall, 5,7 liters, and further on the growing bosses and the entire officer corps - of course not officially. I think you know the technology for writing off unspent alcohol. But on flights everyone was sober, about this in aviation there was a tough order, even among drinkers. And the flights were like you 3 days a week — a day of preliminary preparation, a day of flights, and so on, all the same, the blessing in Transbaikalia was sunny. The drinkers had a good weekend on Saturdays and Sundays. Among the two-year-olds there were no drinkers - they were not used to it yet visible for their service life.
For two-year-olds - “jackets” in the infantry that they are all unsuitable, it’s not true. I talked with such friends, served as biennials, so I know this topic. They were different, as among the personnel, which also did not have all who were able to manage personnel. Everything depended, as I wrote above, on the character, ability to control people.
In general, in the Soviet Union, the training system and organization of the service of reserve officers of military departments was seriously organized. The military department was mandatory for all eligible students who did not have officer ranks. The expulsion, including from poor grades, from the military department, led to expulsion from the institute / university, and automatic conscription into the army, so they studied responsibly for 3 years, one 8-hour day a week, with 1-2 months of military training.
When drafted into the army after graduation, 1-month commander’s training was organized for biennial officers, usually in districts, after which they were sent to their military unit, where the commissioning of officer youngsters, both two-year-olds and personnel from the military, continued. schools that organized the command of the military.

[ramzes1776]

Quote: vladimirZ

And the flights were like you 3 days a week — a day of preliminary preparation, a day of flights, and so on, all the same, the blessing in Transbaikalia was sunny.

And where did you serve in Transbaikalia: Steppe, Chindant, Mesopotamia or Domna?

Quote: vladimirZ

For two-year-olds - “jackets” in the infantry that they are all unsuitable, it’s not true. I talked with such friends, served as biennials, so I know this topic. They were different, as among the personnel, which also did not have all who were able to manage personnel. Everything depended, as I wrote above, on the character, ability to control people.
In general, in the Soviet Union, the training system and organization of the service of reserve officers of military departments was seriously organized.

I started my military service in the late 90s in Transbaikalia. The contingent is like wood, not personnel, and the soldiers themselves were not the best. Many officers did not even reach the duty station, they simply sent reports for dismissal by mail.

[vladimirZ]

Where did you serve in Transbaikalia - ramzes1776

He served in Borz, Chindant 2 airfield. 101 ORAP reconnaissance. aviation regiment. 1974-76 years.
In our time, it was simply impossible to imagine that “officers didn’t even reach the duty station, they just sent reports for dismissal by mail”. Personnel, like copper pots, had to serve 25 years, whether you like it or not. One personnel lieutenant from the TEC tried to quit, didn’t go to the service for several days, actually he wasn’t even a drunkard, he just didn’t want to serve, he was joking “through the striped uniform of the prisoner, but I’ll quit”, he was summoned to Chita to the Army’s headquarters, sand and served like a darling. It was unrealistic for the cadres to quit, especially until the age of 15 years of service, and there they all held on until 25 - the military pension loomed on the horizon.
There were all kinds of soldiers, but in the vast majority normal, adequate. I still often recall my mechanic, Private Saponov Igor, a conscientious guy who was competent after a technical school. I’ll tell him that after lunch we’ll change the pneumatics of such a wheel. I arrive after dinner, and he already put the plane on the lifts, took off the wheel, is waiting for me to do further responsible work.
Some of the soldiers were from Central Asia, mainly in the AO, REO groups, also mostly able-bodied, who knew the Russian language.
I can’t imagine how it was possible to bring the Army to its current state. About 5 years ago, he rode on the train, talked with a guy who graduated from the Zhukovsky Engineering Academy with cadets, who did not serve a day after her, immediately quit. And in our time, already serving as an IAS officer with a secondary technical education, in order to study at Zhukovka and have some further career growth, it was necessary not only to serve well, but also to wait for the turn of those who wanted to go there.

[Vard]

Yeah ... and then they are given a shiver ... Why are they so busy ... I’ll go, however, to use a bed with engine oil ... Just in case ...

[Mar.Tirah]

Well, I don’t know. I wouldn’t, for example, ever entrust control of a ship or armament to a graduate who has no experience in handling equipment .. Okay, lapping will occur at the locations of the parts. temporarily.

[Going]

So no one will trust, we are talking about those posts and higher education institutions, where possible.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Going

where possible.

You know everything is possible in our Armed Forces. Passed by and such that the interns immediately became commanders because of kinship with the generals or really gifted ... I think everything has not changed much, the main thing is that everything would happen without an emergency.

[Going]

Nobody is safe from this anywhere, but there is a hope that the head is “turned on”.

[Andrey VOV]

As far as I remember, correct, if it’s not right, then they studied in room 4, and in engineering 5 .. but even then not in all ..

[Igor V]

There were secondary and higher schools. In secondary schools - 4 years of study. That is, the secondary did not issue a diploma of higher civic education. And the higher ones gave secondary military and higher civic education. Although there could be options.

[annodomene]

They studied for three years in secondary schools (for example, was the Kaliningrad Aviation Technical School, KVATU in my opinion?), In teams where 4 years (RVVDKU or CHVVAUL, for example), where 5 years (OVAKOL, for example). In engineering and in all naval schools only 5 years. "Zampollitrovskie" schools are not considered.

[Sergej1972]

In the 70-80s. of the middle, only the secondary military aviation technical schools remained. But there, in my opinion, they studied for three years.

[anjey]

An internship in the army gives a lot of insights about real service, about its pluses and sometimes minuses ..., newly-minted summers will have a one-sided view of the army, they may want to put aside the reasons for future disappointments ... or maybe now the army has absolutely everything for a girlfriend ... , just rather a shortage of acute personnel, that cut internships ...

[Andrey VOV]

Quote: Igor V

There were secondary and higher schools. In secondary schools - 4 years of study. That is, the secondary did not issue a diploma of higher civic education. And the higher ones gave secondary military and higher civic education. Although there could be options.

OVVKUS graduates studied for 4 years, but the diploma was about higher education ... in 91 or 90 they switched to 5 year studies

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Andrey VOV

.in 91 or in 90 they switched to 5 year education

TVVKUS was generally closed in 1999. I hope this period of history with the closure of schools has passed and the generals understand what they are doing?

[Apollo]

Quote: klaus16

What is the hobby?

The fact that the pennies of the chief ataman for the 5-year training of officers for his army no longer exists. Soon they will not be in the 4-year-old. And on the horizon looming a bull’s eye ...., and the final drop in educational standards. "Thank you" to the great Pu.

[annodomene]

"... The expert believes that spending time on internships is not necessary - it would be better if the graduate immediately gets to the unit where he will receive command and personnel and military equipment ..."
This is in order to immediately destroy anything from the “zero” technique, about l / s - here it depends on the lieutenant’s personal commander’s qualities.

[Dr. Hub]

I agree, this is how to graduate from a medical university immediately after graduation, put it on the operating table.

[Andrey VOV]

Quote: annodomene

They studied for three years in secondary schools (for example, was the Kaliningrad Aviation Technical School, KVATU in my opinion?), In teams where 4 years (RVVDKU or CHVVAUL, for example), where 5 years (OVAKOL, for example). In engineering and in all naval schools only 5 years. "Zampollitrovskie" schools are not considered.

KVATU was also called "curly-haired", since it was taken there with triples)))

[PVOSV]

And only 8 years ago they did not know where to place lieutenant graduates, even those who could not be forced to resign were placed in sergeant posts ...
Pankov Interview 2010: https://rg.ru/2010/10/25/pankov.html

and no one is responsible for anything.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: PVOSV

And only 8 years ago they didn’t know where to place lieutenant graduates,

“Well, when was that ?!” (c)

[kunstkammer]

new graduation schedule for young officers

"... before we released lieutenants once a year ... and they hid. Soon we will release them every month .. and they are no longer hiding, they are used to it!" (almost from)

According to military expert Viktor Litovkin ... the cadets were leaving ... and were not responsible for anything.

Brothers! Someone stun this expert ...

it would be better if the graduate immediately fell into the unit where he would receive command and personnel and military equipment. This will increase the responsibility of the young lieutenant.

Not! It is simply impossible for this .... to read!
And before the lieutenant did not get into the unit? Didn't get bhp and technology? Used to be irresponsible? So?
My hands do not reach this .... unfortunately!

[basmach]

After school, upon arrival in the 2 regiment, a month to master the materiel (if it’s from another part, then a month), then I was admitted to independent exploitation and forward. I arrived at the regiment in early August, and since October I had provided flights on the concrete base as an engineer of the SNA squadron. Although there were nuances - we transferred the PrNK groups to the TEH, sent another, from the academy, so that 3 could not get permission for a month, I have with Ing. the regiment (and I was an engineer of the group in the mine) almost didn’t get to the scandal; there is a beginning of the group, but for everything they ask me, he was not allowed. And the staff cadre was- but completely oak.

[vladimirZ]

After school, upon arrival at the regiment for 2 months to master the materiel (if from another unit, then a month), then surrender for admission to independent exploitation and forward - basmach

And to me, a two-year-old, they gave me only 2 weeks to independently master the mat. parts, after which the trainee will continue to service the equipment for another 2 weeks, with the subsequent delivery of access to independent work.

[LeonidL]

All is nothing - but what kind of old-fashioned old-fashioned uniforms with standing collars and galaxies like the Wehrmacht? Why do fleet officers have little white vests instead of vests? Did Putin return daggers to retirees?

[AlexVas44]

Quote: LeonidL

Nothing - but what new-fashioned old-fashioned uniforms with standing collars

In these uniforms in December, of course, bearable. In general, this return to Russian traditions in this form is completely absurd. Very uncomfortable in it. It’s just that elements of tradition should be introduced into the modern form. I wore such a tunic. Everyone tried to quickly jump out of it immediately after the events. And the lieutenant was not lucky in the picture, the uniform was not sewn on him at all. Saddle on a cow?

[TsUS-Air Force]

like during the war. or waiting for war?

[M. Michelson]

Truly education should be stepwise. Unlearned a year - you go to the army as a squad leader, also for a year. Not for an internship, but for real, you put a team voice. And you study army life. Then those who managed, continue their studies.
And so, due to separation from the troops in fresh leitechs, only the feeling of salag will be brought up. And education will become even more scholastic.

[PVOSV]

do you need loud screamers or experts needed ???