Kazakhstan will acquire ECNNUMX 20 helicopters

European company Eurocopter (part of EADS) 10 in May 2012 issued a press release stating that during the defense exhibition KADEX-3 held in Astana from 6 to 2012 in Astana, the Government of Kazakhstan signed a letter of understanding regarding the acquisition of 20 medium Eurocopter multi-purpose helicopters EC725 Cougar for the Ministry of Defense of the Republic. The details of the agreement are not given, but it is indicated that helicopters should be assembled in Kazakhstan (apparently, at the facilities of the joint venture Eurocopter Kazakhstan Engineering established in Astana, where Eurocopter EC145 helicopters should also be assembled). It is also reported that earlier the government of Kazakhstan has already chosen the civilian version of the ES725 (helicopter EC225 Super Puma) for VIP traffic.

This is the third agreement for the purchase by Kazakhstan of military aviation production techniques of EADS. Earlier, an agreement was signed for the purchase (with a partial disruption in Kazakhstan) of 45 medium-sized multi-purpose Eurocopter EC145 helicopters (started supplying at the end of 2011, six vehicles have been delivered to date) and a contract for the purchase of two Airbus Military C-295M military transport aircraft with a memorandum mutual understanding for the purchase of six more such machines. At KADEX 2012, Kazakhstan's Deputy Minister of Defense, Major General Talgat Zhanzhumenov, also announced ongoing negotiations with EADS regarding the acquisition of "up to four" new medium-sized military transport aircraft Airbus Military A400M.

Comments

[Olegovich]

Kazakhstan helps the EU overcome the economic crisis ?! We lose on our field.

[YARY]

Did they take and buy something to me to wrinkle?
Is there a lot of dough with them? Or why is this prodigy better than ours?

[Antipov]

Yes, she's no better. In operation, it is much worse and worse, but in the cost of operation it is much worse. But it should be noted that Kazakhstan has recently begun to actively acquire weapons in third countries, not always successfully (remember the artillery from Israel). The main driving moment here is joint production on the territory of the republic. Although there are many questions here, screwdriver assembly cannot be high-tech and is unlikely to open access to high technologies for Kazakhstan, I think that the joint production of Russian equipment could also be discussed, and much more profound. As it turns out not fun ... Let's take a look at what Kazakhstan buys and see that there are analogues in Russia and better - SCRC "Exocet" France, BTR "Cobra" Turkey, BTR-4 Ukraine, Vetolety Europe, Artillery Israel. And everything is very mediocre

[Nursultan]

Quote: Antipov

I think that we could talk about the joint production of Russian equipment too,

yes it would be so super, but the manufacturers of Russian technology do not want to transfer and train the assembly of our specialists.

[VAF]

Quote: Nursultan

They don’t want to transfer and train the assembly of our specialists.

Maybe only for now? +!

In the meantime, just upgrading ....

[VAF]

Quote: Antipov

Take a look at what Kazakhstan buys and see

There are many truth words in your words, +!

[marshes]

This is a "gift" for the fact that our sappers were in Iraq.

[alihan.kz]

and as our sappers intend there, they neutralized 2 tons of bombs; we didn’t buy from them American

[Neighbor]

Oh, you are still called Kazakhs!
Little chtoli you Russian helicopters?

Quote: Nursultan

Russian equipment manufacturers do not want to transfer and train the assembly of our specialists

And Amer’s - they’ll teach me straight !! Then they will catch up - and once again they will teach!
What for you own assembly?

Quote: Nursultan

ours can then myself produce this kind of equipment

Yeah - you want to eat a fish and sell scales! Thrifty ......!
I wouldn’t have sat down in a helicopter you let out in my life. Do you have any kind of production base? Have an engineer? Constructors? The scientists. High technology, equipment - and even - construction experience?
There is nothing! All your youth is Russian-speaking - goes to Russia to study! And the Aborigines - all on the ground - all the sons and daughters of someone else are the same Economists. Russian you break through - is unrealistic. You do not know Kaz.yaz - go wherever you want - Russian - people. 2, if not 3 grades.
Manufacturers were found .....! With Toko yurts - recently they all climbed out - and they are going to build helicopters
Who would not build? Or do it yourself - you don't have enough brains - you have all the Kazakh youth - it's just horror - how "educated"? Everyone - almost imagines himself a genius - some bachelors - in economics
Well then - Only - copy and it turns out - and then - in the imagination only !?

[marshes]

Quote: Neighbor

And the natives are all on the ground

Aboriginal people mainly go to Europe and America, Japan, South Korea, China to study, they are afraid to go to you inadvertently ... And the state fund "Bolashak" pays for it.

[VAF]

Quote: marshes

afraid to go to you by accident

Oh cunning dear?

Or is this not your Zhetysu aerobatic team flying a Su-27?

And who serves them?

[marshes]

Our service, sometimes we invite specialists ...
Mukhtar Altynbaev put all the aviation on our feet.
I mentioned one company, those in Afghanistan serve all Soviet equipment ...

[VAF]

Quote: marshes

Mukhtar Altynbaev put all the aviation on our feet.

And such a name does not tell you anything ???

Toktar Ongarbaevich Aubakirov .....

[marshes]

Quote: veteran.air force

Toktar Ongarbaevich Aubakirov .....

He speaks
The astronaut, sat down and took off, the first, Mig-29 to Admiral Kuznetsov.
At one time he was the chief pilot of the MiG Design Bureau.

[755962]

Quote: Olegych

Kazakhstan helps the EU to overcome

That's not all.

The Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan, the Kazakhstan Engineering national company and the European manufacturers MBDA and INDRA Sistemas have signed a protocol of intentions on cooperation in the formation of coastal defense in the Kazakh part of the Caspian Sea, Interfax-Kazakhstan reports.

As noted in the joint press release of Kazengineering and European companies, distributed on Thursday, a coastal defense system will be created for the Kazakh Navy on the basis of the family of the new MBDA anti-ship missile - Exocet MM40 Block 3.

"The implementation of this project will significantly contribute to improving the security of Kazakhstan, especially in the Caspian region," said Vice President of Kazakhstan Engineering Dimash Bizhanov at the signing ceremony, quoted in the message.

In turn, Didier Philippe, Vice President for Export Sales of MBDA, noted at the ceremony that the newest Exocet MM40 Block 3 will allow Kazakhstan to protect its coastal and marine resources. "We are ready to start working with Kazakhstan Engineering to supply this outstanding coastal defense," he said.


More details: http://tengrinews.kz/kazakhstan_news/213810/
Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to Tengrinews.kz

[VAF]

Quote: 755962

MBDA's new anti-ship missile - Exocet MM40 Block 3.

That's right, Zhenya, +!

There she is.....

[nnnnnnnnn]

[quote = 755962]
Do you know why because you couldn’t agree on the purchase of BAL-E, the three-year-round negotiations were upside down, technical problems arose, I don’t know what they are about, as far as the French are concerned, this is a protocol of intentions, so the Kazakh side wants to create a joint venture and issue The Petropavlovsk Heavy Engineering Plant, the French have not yet given a concrete answer, but the Kazakh side insists only on creating a joint venture, technology transfer, etc. as was done with Eurocopter helicopters, where a joint venture was created to obtain a license for the production of these helicopters.

[VAF]

Quote: nnnnnnnnn

Eurocopter where a joint venture was created with a license to manufacture these helicopters.

Only forward, but about reality - do not forget !!!

You always need to be prepared for the answer, which is what you prove! +!

[VAF]

Quote: 755962

That's not all.

Zhen, I'll "fit in" to you with the answer to BOLOT, otherwise everything won't fit, Huh?

So, and at the MiG-29s, aerobatics of the Alytau group?

[S_mirnov]

We also help, Mistral, Iveco armored cars, etc. So in vain you take offense at the Kazakhs tact.

[VAF]

Quote: S_mirnov

We also help, Mistral, Iveco armored cars, etc.

If I could, I bet 100, + !!!

These are my "favorite" "purchases" - barges and cans.

And a photo for an example - our Yars are guarded by these ......... so that veterans do not ........, in short, they did not upset them much!

Well still all the same thought not to let a separate column ???

[Nursultan]

Dear Oleg! If Russian manufacturers would agree to assemble their equipment in Kazakhstan, then I am sure ours would willingly go for it. but since your manufacturers do not want this, we buy from others and collect from ourselves in Kazakhstan. this is a policy I’m sure carries two + 1) the assembly takes place with the participation of our specialists. 2) then we can produce this kind of equipment myself

[Yarbay]

Nursultan!
Will Eurocopter build in Kazakhstan ??
And I wonder if the transfer of a production license is still possible ??

[marshes]

Quote: Yarbay

And I wonder if the transfer of a production license is still possible ??

- After putting the line into operation, Eurocopter Kazakhstan will become the only enterprise in the entire CIS space not only for the assembly and maintenance of the EU 145, but also for the production of individual helicopter components. The transfer of appropriate technologies is provided for in the Agreement with the French side, ”said Silver Delone, Director General of EADS-Kazakhstan Corporation.
http://www.zakon.kz/4460903-kazakhstan-nachal-sobirat-vertolety-foto.html

[Yarbay]

Marshes I congratulate you !!
I think a bargain !!
We must create an industry !!
Here is the answer why they bought these helicopters !!
Kazakhstan is apparently creating a powerful defense industry !!

[VAF]

Quote: Yarbay

Here is the answer why they bought these helicopters !!

You +! But they don’t refuse from ours either

[Yarbay]

Dear Sergey!
I am very glad to believe sincerely that I do not refuse your weapon and in my comment did not say that they refused Russian weapons !!
Moreover, we buy Russian helicopters !!
Now we have information about the negotiations on the Mi-28!
It's just that countries with financial capabilities, I am convinced, should strive to create a military-industrial complex, so that God forbid - suddenly a war!
This is good insurance!

[VAF]

Quote: Yarbay

should strive to create a military-industrial complex, so that God forbid - suddenly a war! This is good insurance!

Dear Alibek, I completely agree with you, +!

[VAF]

Quote: marshes

only for assembly and maintenance of EC 145,

+ Of course, go ahead guys, but here they are ...... only so far to buy ?!

[marshes]

We have no airborne forces. And there are airmobile troops, and so this is the full development of the troops — a helicopter wing.

[VAF]

Quote: Yarbay

Eurocopter will assemble in Kazakhstan ??

The assembly is then assembly, and fight (protect the border and in general ...?) +!

[Yarbay]

Sergei!
You're right!!
But I think this is buying technology for the future !!
so that in 5-10 years Kazakhstan could create modern helicopters!
There is finance!

[VAF]

Quote: Yarbay

But I think this is buying technology for the future !!

God forbid that it would be so, the thoughts and hopes are correct, but ...., can they even "outplay" with technology? +!

[VAF]

Quote: Nursultan

ours can then myself produce this kind of equipment

They will probably be able, but not now and not all, but is it needed today ???

[Nursultan]

I agree with you, maybe now we will not be able to do it ourselves, but in the future there is a hope for this. I myself think there is no better Russian military equipment. You have a good experience in the military north. Driving around military units, I often come across radar stations of the USSR whom they have never failed in production. And on the basis of the old company SKTB Granit LLP modernizes these radars

[VAF]

Quote: Nursultan

I agree with you, maybe now we can’t do it ourselves, but in the future there is something to twist about. I myself think is better than Ro

Mutually, +!

[Ram chandra]

Quote: Nursultan

2) then we can produce this kind of equipment myself

Haha - I hasten to upset you - European countries have gone on for such technologies for centuries - but we also started to produce them, right ?!

[Aleksey67]

Quote: Olegych

Kazakhstan helps EU overcome economic crisis?

Guys as they say nothing personal just information for thinking

US will control three quarters of oil production in Kazakhstan, - Marat Shibutov, a Kazakhstani representative of the Association for Cross-Border Cooperation, writes about this in his research on the pages of the Tengrinews portal. The expert cites data on US assets: "the main areas of investment are the oil and gas industry, engineering, energy, agriculture. It should be noted that American investors were among the first to come to Kazakhstan and immediately occupied certain niches, from which they then tried not to leave."

"The AES group of companies is investing in the energy sector. It almost completely controls the energy sector of the East Kazakhstan region - not only through the purchase or construction of new enterprises, but through the acquisition of enterprises under management: AES Corporation is an energy company engaged in the production of electricity, its distribution and alternative energy

"it turns out that the United States, represented by its companies, has entered very important and key niches for Kazakhstan: control over the three largest and longest-exploited oil and gas fields in Kazakhstan, which in the future will constitute the country's main export potential. At the same time, American corporations will receive substantial profits - this is in addition to the oil itself, which can be sold to anyone, anytime.Control over the main oil export pipeline in the coming years.Control over the energy system of the country's most important industrial region - the East Kazakhstan region, where fuel pellets for nuclear reactors are produced, as well as strategic for the military industry niobium, beryllium, titanium, magnesium.

Fully here http://www.regnum.ru/news/1520977.html&utm_medium=adnews&utm_source=inosmi.ru&ut
m_campaign = adnews_campaign_59 & utm_content = adnews_210176

[marshes]

Do you have technologies and investors?
At the expense of the AES energy company, I have doubts that it is American.

[Aleksey67]

Quote: marshes

At the expense of the AES energy company, I have doubts that it is American.

Read

AES did not fulfill investment obligations in Kazakhstan
Agency for the Regulation of Natural Monopolies (AREM) revealed non-compliance American company AES investment liabilities in the amount of $ 459,5 million. Inspection materials were transferred to the Ministry of Finance of Kazakhstan.

Taken here http://www.kursiv.kz/1195203388-kompaniya-aes-ne-vypolnila-investicionnye-obyaza
telstva-v-kazaxstane.html

Keyword American

[marshes]

Quote: Aleksey67

Keyword American

It depends on where to register.
In Almaty there was an energy company, then everyone thought that it was Belgian, but in fact ours, "Zits chairman" was put in the leadership and the owners ...
Offshores would take them

[Kasym]

Aleksey 67. This "specialist" in cross-border cooperation is completely out of the question, apparently this report was made under someone's order. 33% in the oil and gas sector belongs to KazMunayGas - nat. companies, about 20% of Chinese companies, a little owned by our oligarchs. The rest is the United States, Italy, Great Britain, Russia (Lukoil), France, etc. Generally speaking, Kazakhstan has passed a law, if a company leaves a project, then the government of Kazakhstan has the advantage in acquiring this block of shares. face of "KazMunayGas". Recently, at the beginning of the year, the government of Kaz. by imposing environmental fines on the largest field, Karachaganak, forced Western companies to transfer 10% of shares to KazMunayGaz. Of course, the United States is present at all major fields, but three quarters is too much. For example, at the largest oil field, Tengiz, Chevron (USA) and KazMunayGaz are 50-50. Moreover, Chevron is constantly being spanked - audits and problems are found. They were forced to build a plant for the production of plastic pipes, pump associated gas into the strata, took part in the construction of the CPC pipeline, and now they are preparing to build wind farms. And they all do it, how cute. Our oligarchs would have begun to use gray schemes long ago, but these are afraid, they are cured into the budget without delay. And one more fact. About 80 mil. tons of oil. Of these, 5 mil. goes to China (a new pipeline for 10 mil. tons, another 5 mil. is loaded by Russia), somewhere else 5 mil. goes by tankers to Azerbaijan in Tbilisi-Ceyhan (if not less, because Azerbaijan has enough oil of its own). About 20 miles. We consume it ourselves, but the rest goes through RUSSIA. So whoever controls the oil pipelines is the one who calls the tune. And the fact that Russia and Kazakhstan work in unison on the energy market is very important. When, under Yushchenko, there were problems with pumping gas through Ukraine, our 01 (as Nazarbayev is sometimes called in Kazakhstan) came to Germany. And he spoke very harshly on this topic - like our Asian partners will gladly take our oil and gas, if the West does not bring Yushchenko to reason. The pressure on Russia from the West abated immediately. And how many Western leaders came to us (for example from Poland) with a proposal on alternative routes for transporting oil and gas (the same Nabuco). The answer was always the same: we have had these opportunities for a long time and they lead through Russia, if you want to increase supplies - fine, we will agree on everything ourselves, this is not your problem. Your problem will come to an agreement with the transit countries. And we are not going to build new transportation routes, we have them.

[yura9113]

yeah ..... there is no good news, what did our turntables do not suit ?! can anyone have in-fa, share?

[Svistoplyaskov]

The analogue of the Eurocopter EC725 Cougar is the Mi-8 (and its modifications).
You just need to compare specifications and prices.
Then it becomes clear - politically motivated purchase or economically!

[VAF]

Quote: Whistling

You just need to compare specifications and prices.

+!

[VAF]

Quote: yura9113

than our turntables didn’t arrange

Who said that? An order for 30 pieces of Mi-171 has not been canceled!

In general, they have the 4th type of our helicopters

[ANTURAG]

Well, there are also officials there, do not forget! So it became clear to everyone that someone gilded a pen nothing new is happening in this world

[marshes]

Now the French can safely produce oil in the Caspian. Mutual investments.

[Nursultan]

it will definitely be mined

[marshes]

Nursultan,
On another portal, I looked in the comments that the Russian helicopter assembly plant had been slaughtered for 5-6 years, and what should we wait, or should we take a turn?

[Nursultan]

Marshes Why wait. buy from others, provided that we will collect in our KZ. and soon you will see and we will begin to release our own technology. it all starts small

[VAF]

Quote: Nursultan

soon you look and we’ll start to release our own technology. it all starts small

The desire is right, +! But "... all the technique" is probably too early, huh?

Although I sincerely wish you success!

[marshes]

Note the MIG-31 complex only in two countries in the world.

[VAF]

Quote: marshes

Note the MIG-31 complex only in two countries in the world.

I noticed it back in the mid-80s, I "visited" Karaganda (at Sary-Arkai) .....

[marshes]

At one time, yours and mine wanted to launch microsatellites with MiG-31,25 from Baikonur.

[VAF]

Quote: marshes

But what can we wait, or turn to take?

Moreover, competitors are always there, +!

[rumpeljschtizhen]

.I think this is the business of Kazakhstan. An independent country decides what to buy

[VAF]

Quote: rumpeljschtizhen

an independent country decides what to buy

And she does, +!

And the photo shows one against the background of the other .....

[Nursultan]

Kazakhstan is also engaged in the modernization of its 5N84 and P-18 radars on its own.

[marshes]

And now, in general, the brain will tear
http://lenta.ru/news/2012/05/12/centauro/
Russia may buy from the Italian company Oto Melara a license for the production of Centauro wheeled armored vehicles. About this RIA Novosti was told by a company representative

[Kars]

If this happens I will laugh out loud.

[VAF]

Quote: Kars

If this happens I will laugh out loud.

Andrey, I think I’ll have to soon ..... +! Taburetkin Forever !!!

[VAF]

Quote: Kars

I will laugh out loud.

Andrew, in my opinion already laugh, you can start!

RIA News. In the future, Russia will purchase only one-time samples of foreign-made military equipment in order to master the technology and then establish its production, the First Deputy Chairman of the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation Yuri Borisov told reporters on Saturday.

So he commented on the message that Russia could acquire in Italy a license for the production of Centauro wheeled tanks. As a representative of the manufacturing company Oto Melara told RIA Novosti earlier on Saturday, two combat vehicles are already being tested in the Moscow Region.

"The Russian Federation will definitely purchase only one-time samples of foreign-made equipment in order to understand, master the technology, and then set up its own production," Borisov explained.

According to him, the military "have long been saying that they would like to see wheeled tanks in service." "People choose, they see what is good in the world," he added.

Earlier, a number of military experts interviewed by RIA Novosti also noted that the Centauro test is the next step in the study of the Russian Ministry of Defense of advanced models of foreign weapons and military equipment, however, licensed production of these machines in Russia is hardly possible.

The crew of Centauro is four people, the combat weight is 24 tons, the maximum speed is 100 kilometers per hour, the power reserve is 800 kilometers. In service are the gun, as well as two machine guns of 7,62 mm caliber. These tanks are in service with four countries - Italy, Spain, Oman and Egypt.

http://ria.ru/

But what do we do ???? Laugh or cry ???? Or.......

Already absolutely, perhaps, "the roof is going" or "pre-reformed" to the point that we ourselves cannot do nichrome and are following the path of the Chinese ????

Long live the Russian clones ???

Or is it a rollback and in Africa a rollback and everything continues, only in a more perverse form ????

Ay, "patriots", nuka explain the situation?

Quote: Kars

I will laugh out loud.

The first time I deleted the comments I will try again, only now without my comments, but stupid news:

12 May 2012 city

RIA News. In the future, Russia will purchase only one-time samples of foreign-made military equipment in order to master the technology and then establish its production, the First Deputy Chairman of the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation Yuri Borisov told reporters on Saturday.

So he commented on the message that Russia could acquire in Italy a license for the production of Centauro wheeled tanks. As a representative of the manufacturing company Oto Melara told RIA Novosti earlier on Saturday, two combat vehicles are already being tested in the Moscow Region.

"The Russian Federation will definitely purchase only one-time samples of foreign-made equipment in order to understand, master the technology, and then set up its own production," Borisov explained.

According to him, the military "have long been saying that they would like to see wheeled tanks in service." "People choose, they see what is good in the world," he added.

Earlier, a number of military experts interviewed by RIA Novosti also noted that the Centauro test is the next step in the study of the Russian Ministry of Defense of advanced models of foreign weapons and military equipment, however, licensed production of these machines in Russia is hardly possible.

The crew of Centauro is four people, the combat weight is 24 tons, the maximum speed is 100 kilometers per hour, the power reserve is 800 kilometers. In service are the gun, as well as two machine guns of 7,62 mm caliber. These tanks are in service with four countries - Italy, Spain, Oman and Egypt.

http://ria.ru/

What is it to write so "pogolenischenski" that would not be deleted again ???

Maybe so-- are we following the path (cloning) of China ????

Since we still have, thanks to the reform, some managers and ......, but there are no designers or smart people at all ???

[Kars]

As for the laugh, I probably still won’t, if all the same, one-time samples - otherwise I already thought that they would be bought in series.
But on the topic itself, in Centaurus there is nothing special that the Russian Federation and even Ukraine appeared a customer. It basically repeats Yuarovsky Ruikat, access to which the USSR got after the fighting in Angola, and is just a light tank on wheels. But why are they the Russian Federation I if honestly I don’t know.

[marshes]

In Russia, they probably want to install "Bakhchu" on an imported wheeled chassis so that the Arabs can sell it. The resource of the tracks in the sands is not great.

[VAF]

Quote: Kars

that's why they are the Russian Federation, if I honestly don’t know.

Andrei, so I do ....., first a barge, then obscure tins, now this ....

And its own 3, what does not suit ??? Everyone takes and runs through the desert perfectly ....

And this ..... Centaur? Somewhere I lost a photo where the Tiger and the Wolf through obstacles and dirt, and Iveka was dragged on a cable in N. Tagil ....

Maybe I don’t understand something?

[Yarbay]

Andrey, if this happens, it means that friend Silvio persuaded a friend of Vladimir !!

[Kars]

Quote: Yarbay

Silvio's friend persuaded his friend Vladimir !!

Everything may be, the pcti of the big babos are mysterious.

Quote: Yarbay

"Bakhchu" on imported wheeled chassis

And that there are few of their own, it seems like there is a school, even the Yuarovtsy do not disdain the Urals.

[Yarbay]

Dear Andrey !!
When I found out that ours had purchased Merkava-4 and was going to buy a large batch of them at the rumor level, I was first surprised !!
But then, having studied the question, I saw that if this happened or will pass, then this is a very smart acquisition !!
And in this case, I’m not only at a loss, but I don’t understand at all, because in Russia there is a tank building school and I don’t believe that there are no projects like this one !!

[Kars]

It is possible without appeals, and then too officially.

Quote: Yarbay

That's when I found out that ours was purchased by Merkava-4

I would be grateful if you post either a link or info on the purchase of Merkav. If I honestly, as an amateur tankman, are just delighted with the Israeli tank building school. You can immediately see the use of combat experience, though in a certain terrain. It would certainly be better if you bought from Ukraine Oplot-M but no so no, Merkava 4 is a very worthy acquisition.

Quote: Yarbay

and I don’t believe that there are no projects like this one !!

I don’t believe in that either. Besides, Italian armored vehicles aren’t very good for me, and putting on a wheeled chassis, as I understand it, the 125 mm tank gun is risky in my opinion, it holds well with the 105 mm, but I'm not sure about the 120-125.
Well, if it IS NECESSARY to buy abroad, it would be better to look towards South Africa

Quote: veteran.air force

And its own 3-ka, what does not suit ???

Yes, everything in the 3 infantry fighting vehicle is normal, but there are still different classes, the Centaur is positioned as a fire support vehicle, a tank destroyer, but why I still don’t understand such a RF. When is Chrysanthemum and Octopus

[VAF]

Quote: Kars

but why such a RF I still do not understand

Andrew, I am the same, +!

But in connection with such "events" and "attempts at acquisition" (from those who need and one that ........., but ..... just who needs it?), So I have the question arises (This is not a joke or a joke "!):

So we just have to wait until 2015, and., .... it remains only to find out who will actually become "Armata" - Ariete, Leclerc or Leopard-2 ... ?????

[Kars]

Quote: veteran.air force

who will actually become "Armata"

Knocking on wood, I will not survive such disappointment.
But what if I am for Leclerc ", which was promised already five years ago.

Quote: Yarbay

what about rumors about merkava!

but I already thought that I missed something.

Quote: Yarbay

Stronghold M-there are open negotiations

I would hope for the best result for Ukraine, in principle, only Merkava 4 is the only real competitor. Although, again, I am very weak in the relief of your region.

[marshes]

I apologize for interfering, that's about ARMATU.
http://sfw.org.ua/1149005062-programma-armata-i-tank-obekt-195.html

[VAF]

Quote: Kars

Knock on wood

Knocked ..... did not feel better ....!

Quote: Kars

I won’t survive such a disappointment.

And you are not alone ...., well, at least I am a stob for the company .....

But in our country anything can happen as long as the "Taburetkinskie"

[Yarbay]

Andrei, I wrote that information about rumors is about merkava!
I think there are some signs, but in small quantities it seems that they are being tested and tested in local conditions!
As for the Oplot M-tank, purchase negotiations are openly going on and last year I bought a lot of T-72AGs!
http://vecherniy.kharkov.ua/news/47634/www.ugmk.
http://www.aze.az/news_azerbayjan_sobiraetsya_ku_49243.html

[Ataturk]

No one has explained to me what is the advantage of OPLODO over the T-90?
where to find. The first time I saw OPLOD, the colossus was huge))))))))))))))))))))

although it is necessary to purchase both Oplod and the black eagle, and t-90

100 each enough for us to the grave.

[Kars]

First, it is necessary to determine which T-90 it is. And so the T-90MS is still unknown what, by and large. And only the USSR could pull three tanks with different supplies and spare parts.
And this is how the epic Troll theme is said. If there is an article in my profile about Oplot.

[marshes]

Kars,
I wanted to inquire, get your opinion.

[Kars]

And here the opinion is not particularly and important, this is one of the best T-64 conversion options, and in principle a normal heavy IFV is not expensive.

And so T-64 Damascus steel + TBMP 64 excellent bunch and again not expensive, + unification

[Yarbay]

Omar! Andrey was ahead of me, but why buy three completely different tanks?))))))))))
And your appetites)))))))))
In general, I think Merkava is ideal for us but too expensive !!

[Ataturk]

Quote: Kars

First you need to determine which T-90. And so the T-90MS

We need a T-90A

Quote: Yarbay

Omar! Andrey was ahead of me, but why buy three completely different tanks?))))))))))

We need a T-90 or a C + HEAVY TANK we need.
But in the mountains and to Karabakh we will not finish on Merkava. We need both Fertilizer and T-90s. This is what you need.

Quote: Yarbay

And your appetites)))))))))

Opportunities for Russia to sell weapons to Azerbaijan are limited. In the west, hysteria rises. So while they are selling, you have to buy.

Now we are talking about the Mi-28N and see how many units are sold.

[Yarbay]

Omar you are deeply mistaken about the Merkava tank !!
I learned this after studying this issue !!

It is designed for action in the desert and mountains, mainly the Golan and Lebanon. The suspension is designed for the Golan, where all the rocks and mountains (maximum 2 km altitude at the peak). For this, each skating rink has an independent suspension with a very large stroke - much more than on Abrams or Russian T. This allows you to move at good speed over rocks and rocks, where the T-72 breaks its suspension, which is not designed for this. Some skating rinks have air depressors (as in steep jeeps). In addition, the engine is not a gas turbine engine, but a turbodiesel, because gas turbine engines in the mountains or in the desert do not pull well because of the height - they need a high density of air, sand - the air filter clogs, and gas turbine engines eat a lot of air or heat - for gas turbine engines, the thrust is very dependent on air temperature. The gearbox is multi-stage, and besides, there is no clutch in the gearbox at all, transmission of traction on oil pressure, as in civilian gearboxes, which greatly reduces engine and gearbox wear and makes driving very easy!

[Ataturk]

My dear, you can provide me with a source that Merkava is a great colossus for highlands.
I heard about the purchase of Merkava4

[Ataturk]

Instead of purchasing weapons, ours spend about 100 million on Eurovision For this money, you could buy at least 60 T-90A tanks

it would be better to buy tanks and helicopters.

[Kars]

Quote: Ataturk

We need a T-90 or a C + HEAVY TANK we need.

There is already no such thing as a heavy tank. T-90 And ​​it is also a heavy one.

Quote: Ataturk

But in the mountains and to Karabakh we will not finish on Merkava. We need both Fertilizer and T-90s. This is what you need.

Merkava will go, take T-90A well, I don’t know if it makes sense, I just don’t know what your opponents are armed with, and so if Oplot M is compared with T-90A, then Oplot is preferable.

[Ataturk]

Kars - thanks for the post. Now everything is clear. The stronghold M is preferable. OK OK. Thanks for the answer.

Quote: Kars

I just don’t know what your opponents are armed with

110 tanks, 140 combat vehicles, 239 artillery systems, 16 combat aircraft and 8 helicopters.

[Yarbay]

[quote = Ataturk] Kars - thanks for the post. Now everything is clear. The stronghold M is preferable. OK OK. Thanks for the answer.


Omar Killed))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
The enemies of Azerbaijan are probably reading you in deep shock and trying to decipher yours * clearly clear *)))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[Ataturk]

Quote: Yarbay

*OK OK*))))))))))))))))))))))))))

But what have I written?
I just study, as they say, know military science.

[Ataturk]

Weapons and armament of the Ground Forces of Azerbaijan as of 2009.

Main battle tanks

T-80U number of -25 cars purchased in Ukraine
T-72 - 350 units.
T-54 / T-55 up to 200 units. Modernization
BTR-90 armored personnel carrier from 14 units.
BTR-80A armored personnel carrier from 70 units.
BTR-80 armored personnel carrier 111 units.
BTR-70 armored personnel carrier 60 units.
BTR-60 armored personnel carrier from 25 units.
BTR-D armored personnel carrier 11 units.
BMP-1 armored personnel carrier 111 units. Infantry fighting vehicle
BMP-2 armored personnel carrier 168 units. Infantry fighting vehicle
BMP-3 armored personnel carrier from 3 to 8 units. Infantry fighting vehicle
BMD-1 armored personnel carrier
BRDM-2 armored personnel carrier reconnaissance and patrol vehicle
BRM-1K armored personnel carrier 23 units. Reconnaissance vehicle
MTLB armored personnel carrier 393 units.

Artillery

203-mm self-propelled gun "Pion" self-propelled artillery mount from 3 units.
152 mm 2S3 "Acacia" self-propelled howitzer from 10 units
122 mm 2C1 “Carnation” self-propelled howitzer from 20 units
155 mm Soltam howitzer Israel -50 units
122 mm D-30 howitzer from 60 units
122 mm D-30A howitzer 55 units
152 mm D-20 howitzer from 30 units
100 mm Rapier howitzer from 72 pts.
85 mm D-44 (gun) howitzer from 60 units
122 mm 2C1 howitzer from 62 units
130 mm M-46 howitzer from 36 units

MLRS (multiple launch rocket system)

Tornado (MLRS) -24 units (Purchased in Ukraine and Belarus)
Grad (MLRS) - from 73 units. (Russia )
Lynx (MLRS) -6 units (Israel)
LAR-160 -35 units (Israel)

Combat aircraft

MiG-21 3 -24 units
MiG-25 fighter-interceptor -31 units
MiG-29 multirole fighter 30 units
Su-17 -4 units
Su-24 -20 units
Su-25 -30 units

This is the exact data for 2009. For 2011, no one will give such an info. For 2011, the number was increased. The number is not known.

[Yarbay]

Omar !!
T-90S-export option))
T-90A will not be sold))

[Ataturk]

Quote: Yarbay

T-90A will not be sold))

It seems that the T-90S wanted to sell. Now not selling? And why not sell the T-90A?

[Yarbay]

It's the same thing, almost !!
Just a T-90A for domestic consumption!
T-90S is the same with some alterations for export!

[Ataturk]

Quote: Yarbay

T-90S is the same with some alterations for export!

Well, if it’s for export, then it certainly won’t be bad. Moreover, export options are usually far from bad. Chrome wheels, tinted windows, pianer tape recorder and so on

[Yarbay]

Omar you are handsome)))))))))))))))))))

[Ataturk]

Yes, I'm joking of course about the pioneer. But you need to arm yourself. The fruits will be. I hope our lands will be returned through negotiations and all will remain alive and well.

[Kamilla]

Quote: Ataturk

Chrome wheels, tinted windows, pianer tape recorder and so on

and where on such a T-90S ??

[Ataturk]

Quote: Kamilla

and where on such a T-90S ??

I’ll come for you, ride around Baku on the Trade. And then to your historical lands.

[Kamilla]

Quote: Ataturk

And then to your historical lands.

God grant !!!

[Kamilla]

Quote: Ataturk

spend about 100 million on Eurovision

Well, you must admit, not all of them can afford it ....! ehhh ... we will show Europe a grand show! so that they understand that we are not bastards too ....

[Ataturk]

Quote: Kamilla

Well, you must admit, not all of them can afford it ....! ehhh ... we will show Europe a grand show! so that they understand that we are not bastards too ....

Azerbaijani varlygyn nya darlyg yes? Translation Azerbaijan needs to save money and not scatter money. If a strong army, then you can sleep peacefully.

So, we need to meet with Russian colleagues and build relationships. And this is not Eurovision.

[Kamilla]

Quote: Ataturk

If a strong army, then you can sleep peacefully.

well, that goes without saying ... the return of our territories is a priority of the policy of our state .. then we will sleep peacefully.

Quote: Ataturk

So, we need to meet with Russian colleagues and build relationships. And this is not Eurovision.

Of course it’s necessary, because I think that the Russian equipment is the best in the world ... and the Russian military experts are the same ... but it’s very nice and there is a sense of pride for my small country, which speaks only 4 times, at such a prestigious competition , wins .. and accepts the whole of Europe at home! So what’s the matter, fun hour ..

[VAF]

Quote: Kars

Everything may be, the pcti of the big babos are mysterious.

Andrey, here is the latest news, you can, in principle, analyze the activities of Taburetkin.

The contract on Borea, about which people on the forum so enthusiastically wrote and. As always praised PU and his team ... anchored.?!

Taburetkin reduced the contract amount by 30%, and the "sailors" "to the audience ..., in the sense they did not agree and the contract was signed only unilaterally, that is, so far nothing and no movements.

Those. reconciliation will be again, etc. etc.

But with the Centaurs, everything is ... like clockwork, but infa that only prototypes are bought. you yourself understand that "the people would not be indignant," although when THEY listened and saw the people?

Do you remember, as in the film, Yakovlev's ash "This is Plyuk, Chatlan planet, and the government ..... the government on another planet, dear"

After all, how much criticism was there about the sheer worthlessness of the barges? Release, in the sense of doing! Pasta cans, well, everything is against - here they are Lynxes, even through Victory Square, we ran through, so I will definitely have Centauri!

Taburetkin, forever !!!!

[Kars]

They already come up with excuses for this.
Go to Gurkh Khanovsky's blog
http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/

[VAF]

Quote: Kars

They already come up with excuses for this.

Kars,


Stopped ..... read ..... OFIGEL ...... !!!

Here it is necessary to poke all the OKBERS to be revered and at least thought a bit, if there is of course what .....!

As in the cartoon about Mowgli "..... and smart heroes .. always go around" ....

and the bucket somewhere her picture, when this pasta tin dragged on a trailer ???

[VAF]

Quote: Yarbay

Silvio's friend persuaded his friend Vladimir !!

Definitely +!

Do you remember how in the film Kin-dza-dza .... I will allow a small remake -. ".... I strongly KU you, and I you .... even more and stronger KU"!

[Hleb]

Well, not so unexpected ...

[suharev-52]

Despite victorious reports and loud promises, is something amiss in the native Fatherland? Their production facilities and research institutes are closing under the guise of modernization, and joint ventures crawl out like mushrooms after rain. And what is particularly depressing, for some reason, ammunition production is being curtailed, and part of the production is being transferred to NATO standards. What is it for? Sincerely.

[Ataturk]

And why are Russian helicopters bad? I don’t know how others, here Azerbaijan is talking about the acquisition of Russian Mi-28N helicopters

Here we will buy such.

This is a helicopter. Mazol in the eyes of enemies

I think by the end of the month the contract will be officially signed.

[Kamilla]

Quote: Ataturk

I think by the end of the month the contract will be officially signed.

good news!!!

[Ataturk]

Quote: Kamilla

good news!!!

The purchase of good military equipment by Azerbaijan is great news. We will not feed our army in every sense, they will force us to feed another. So, everything is super.

Thanks to those Russian citizens who sell us weapons. We will not stay in debt.

[VAF]

Quote: Ataturk

Here we will buy such

That's right, well done, +!

You should always try to get the best!

[Ataturk]

Yes, great news. When I read about this, that there is talk of buying an Mi-28N, I was immediately glad, because the helicopter is a very serious weapon.
Usually the arms race between the USSR and the USA was forever. In order not to be created from the burg, the Soviet Union responded with dignity.
This Mi-28H helicopter is the answer to the American AH-64 Apache. I always read that the Soviet Union responded in such a way that weapons were created much earlier than their time.

I decided to check it myself.

Googled and that's what I found
http://topwar.ru/756-mi-28n-i-an-64-apache-protiv-ka-52.html

On the Mi-28H installed a modified tank gun 2А42, old and proven. It is noticeably heavier than the American and has a serious impact. However, helicopter designers coped with the latter problem, achieving accuracy even higher than that of the American competitor. But, having solved a number of difficulties, they received the most powerful helicopter gun in the world: the weight of the projectile and the initial speed was almost twice as high as that of the M230, the firing range was 4 km, and the firing rate was up to 900 shots per minute. The projectile fired from the Mi-28H flies 15-mm armor from the 1,5-kilometer distance.

Compared with the Apache AN-64, the Mi-28N is heavier by almost 3 tons, but its engines are also more powerful, which even gives it a gain in maximum combat load and in flight characteristics. In addition, the view from the cockpit of the Mi-28N is better.

Macdonell Douglas AH-64 (APACHE)
Weight: 5165 (empty) with combat load - 6552 t
The diameter of the screw is 14,6 m.
Two 1723 hp turboprop engines
The maximum speed is -293 km \ h.
Armament: Rapid-fire gun caliber - 30mm. 1200 shells
8 anti-tank guided missiles Helfair-2 Range-8km.
2 blocks of unguided missiles Gidra for work on areas
Participated in military companies against Iraq in 1991 and 2003
Yugoslavia 1999, Afghanistan.

MI-28 (night hunter)
There is no data on mass and size, but it’s about the same as Apache’s
Two 2225 hp turboprop engines
Maximum speed - 310km \ h
Armament: 30mm quick-firing gun; 300 rounds
8 anti-tank missiles "Storm" on the range there is no data
2 blocks of unguided missiles, for work on areas
I didn’t take part in wars
According to flight characteristics, this helicopter can do everything: Fly backwards, sideways, make a dead loop.
In 1995, joint exercises were held with Sweden. Three MI-28 helicopters under the control of two Swedish and one Russian pilot, invisibly to the Swedish air defense line, were introduced 30 km into Sweden.


As you can see, the speed and power of the engine in the Mi-28 is steeper

So my doubts were in vain
The question is, bastards from the West do not allow us to buy a lot of weapons. Embargo. If the Russian authorities would sell us everything that we need, the order would be huge. Iskander 10pcs, T-90 100pcs, Msta-S 10pcs, Ka-50 10pcs, Su-34 5 pcs, Tornado (MLRS) 25 pcs, S-400 2 divisions, MLRS Smerch 25 pcs. and much more

Well, Topol-M at least 1 thing

Glory to Russian technology.

[Kasym]

Ataturc. Rather, "Apache" was the answer to the Mi-24, tk. it surpassed all Western turntables of the time. And they naturally needed a car that could compete with him. Although some of the characteristics of the Mi-24 have not yet been surpassed - speed, thrust equipment. The tactics of using the "Apache" is different - from an ambush, the Mi-24 attacks mainly in an airplane way, with approaching the target at speed. Yours faithfully

[Ram chandra]

It is hard for Azerbaijan.

[nnnnnnnnn]

I read the comments, someone is mocking the natives, Kazakhstanis make excuses saying they’ve achieved Kazakhstan, rumpeljschtizhen said absolutely right that they want it and buy it. After all, you will not force your neighbor to buy just such a car as yours?
Regarding cooperation with Russia, a plant has been operating in Kazakhstan for a long time that successfully modernizes and repairs helicopter KB Mil helicopters, naturally, together with the Russian Federation, after the Soviet Union, Kazakhstan got a decent amount of transport and combat helicopters, even a couple of MI-14 brought in specialists know what kind of helicopter it is, Kazakhstan has already come in line with the purchase of helicopters and the problem here is not with the Russians or Kazakhs or in money, but in the capabilities of Russian plants. Why the French are the same why Mistral, engines made by Superjet are also in conjunction with the Russian NGO Saturn and the French company Snecma. Sincerely.

[marshes]

Quote: nnnnnnnnn

a plant that successfully upgrades and repairs

Not 405 aircraft repair plant in Almaty
There is an airline Burundi Avia-even in Ukraine know.

[VAF]

Quote: nnnnnnnnn

KB Mil helicopters,

+! without words

[warrior]

Well, gentlemen, Kazakhs, you give.
Today, the police ordered the floor of the Eurocopter and Eurobase catalot.
What for Rafal tomorrow, Typhoon?

[nnnnnnnnn]

warrior,
Rafal, Typhoon is hardly a colleague, we like SU and MIG, but pilots study for this in Russia if we saved the MIG-27 and then modernized by the way with the help of Belarusians and Russians, and not as Indians with the help of Israel.

[VAF]

Quote: nnnnnnnnn

if we saved the MIG-27 and then upgraded it by the way with the help of Belarusians and Russians, and not like Indians with the help of Israel.

I love and respect when they say the truth, +++++!

Well done neighbors, well done in everything!

[marshes]

veteran.air force,
MiG-27, from Ukraine.

[VAF]

Quote: marshes

MiG-27, from Ukraine.

Dear, I am in full knowledge (where, when, how much, etc.) - the comment was about how you saved the equipment further .....

And the fact that from Ukraine, well ....?

So much for the Sudan Air Force Su-25, received from Belarus ....?

Or did I not quite understand what you wanted to say in your comment?

[nnnnnnnnn]

Quote: marshes

veteran air force,
MiG-27, from Ukraine.

Colleague, you are deeply mistaken, MiG-27 (according to NATO codification: Flogger-D, Flogger-Dee - English. Scourge)
The reform of the Belarusian Air Force led to the withdrawal of long-range bombers to Russia, after which only front-line and army aircraft remained in the military aviation. The units on the Su-24 bombers, Su-25 attack aircraft and MiG-29 fighters from the regiments were reorganized into "air bases" and were operatively subordinated to the General Staff of the Air Force. The Belarusian aircraft retained the same red stars as in the Russian Air Force. There was no place for the MiG-27 in the Belarusian Air Force, although 36 cars of the 911 Apib were withdrawn from Germany to Lida. Their fate was a foregone conclusion even before gaining sovereignty: observing the contractual limits and leaving only modern technology in service, the planes were allowed to be eliminated (although the regiment had the latest MiG-27K and M series, which served only a few years). Dismantling of aircraft with undocking of consoles, empennage and dismantling of equipment was carried out at the ARZ in Baranovichi, after which the units were taken to the neighboring Lesnaya garrison at the former missile base, where they were cut into metal. Disposal was accompanied by an invitation from foreign observers and correspondents, but the workers of the plant nearly disrupted the decency, refusing to destroy equipment with their own hands. Nevertheless, the first MiG-27s were exponentially destroyed on April 1, 1993.
Along with the sovereignty of the republic, solid aviation forces — four VAs, 10 air divisions, 49 regiments and 11 separate squadrons — consisting of 2800 aircraft and helicopters and 120 soldiers and officers — were acquired. By power, the Ukrainian Air Force was not inferior to the leading European powers.

On the basis of the headquarters of the 24th Air Force in Vinnitsa in March 1992, the command of the Ukrainian Air Force was formed. Commander V. Antonets proclaimed "bringing the Air Force in line with the peace-loving policy of Ukraine * led to a large-scale reduction of units, aircraft and combat training, which culminated in the graduation of pilot officers who did not receive flight training from schools. In 1995, the share of combat aviation in total air force flight time dropped to 10% (the rest went to the transport workers who earned money), the average flight time per crew was 9 hours, and funding for the maintenance of aircraft did not reach even 1% of the required, forcing the Verkhovna Rada to state: "Our Air Force is under the fence."

Against this background, the trade in equipment that was removed from the states and was in storage turned out to be successful. Usually it was put up for sale at bargain prices and at the "residual value" of the 60s and 70s.

There were no MiG-27s in the shelves in Ukraine before the collapse of the USSR - the 642nd Apib in Voznesensk in 1990 was rearmament on the MiG-29, becoming the only one in the IBA on aircraft of this type. By the beginning of 1992, the MiG-27M and D in the amount of 49 pieces were under repair at the ARZ in Lviv and the storage base in Ovruch. The command of the Ukrainian Air Force was not going to use the MiG-27 - without it, during the reduction by the end of 2000, only the most modern aircraft were planning to leave in service. Nevertheless, they were not in a hurry to cut them into metal: in accordance with the agreements, only old and used-up equipment — MiG-21, Tu-16 and Tu-22 of thirty-forty years of age — was allowed to liquidate. The MiG-27s, which had undergone repairs and acceptance, were kept with due care: almost all aircraft were protected from the weather in closed workshops and hangars, undocked for occupancy density, preserved and sheathed.

The MiG-27 and other equipment were offered for several years at international arms exhibitions and through the channels of the Ministry of Defense, but without success (their price was called $ 16 million, clearly unrealistic). Ultimately, four MiG-27Ms were acquired by Sri Lanka, which had practically no modern combat vehicles before. The aircraft passed the bulkhead and changed their camouflage to neutral gray. For their overflight, pilots with experience in piloting the MiG-27 were sent from Vinnitsa, after which in early August 2000 the aircraft on board the Il-76 were delivered to the customer. Based on the experience of successful use in December 2000, Sri Lanka purchased three more aircraft from Ukraine - two combat MiG-27s and a MiG-23UB "twin".
Kazakhstan: the MiG-27 on the territory of Kazakhstan was in the 129th apib in Taldy-Kurgan and the 134th apib in Zhangiztob, which were part of the 24th mixed air division (in addition to the two IBA regiments, it included the 149th bap in Nikolaevka near Almaty Atoi and the 905th IAP in Taldy-Kurgan, which, in fact, were limited to front-line aviation forces in the republic). In the course of the reduction of the Armed Forces in recent years of the USSR, in order to preserve the honorary names of the deserved units and formations to be disbanded, by the decision of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense their numbers and titles were transferred to those remaining in service. Sometimes at the same time the names were transmitted twice and thrice and the titles were added, leading to double track records of parts and long sonorous names with the mention of aggregate regalia. The number and name of the 11th garden removed from Hungary in 1990 were assigned to the Taldy-Kurgan 24th garden, which became known as the 11th Guards Dnepropetrovsk Red Banner Order of Bohdan Khmelnitsky Garden.
At the moment, the MIG-27 is used in the Indian Air Force, presumably the Cuban Air Force, and the Kazakh Air Force is the main fighter-bomber
modernization was carried out under the supervision of the MIG Design Bureau.

[marshes]

I wanted to add something, but ...
And so everything is correct, though something is missing on the Internet

[Yarbay]

Dear nnn !!
The last phrase about Israel sounds a bit frivolous)))
Does Kazakhstan not modernize equipment with Israel?
You are sorry, but look a little ugly from the side of your koment!

[VAF]

Quote: Yarbay

Does Kazakhstan not modernize equipment with Israel?

Alibek, nnnnnn meant something completely different, that we all (the inhabitants of the USSR have old and friendly ties) and we always helped each other, helped out and learned from each other .....

And with the Hindus, they take everything from us (Mig-27, Su-30 and old Mig-21 planes, but they try to upgrade with Israel, that's all)!

And what you buy, so we buy and even drones and ...... much more .....

[Yarbay]

In this Sergey agrees with you !!
I'm talking about it *** then modernized by the way with the help of Belarusians and Russians, and not like Indians with the help of Israel. ****
Here guessing what wrote dear nnnn not have to !!

[Ataturk]

Already painfully similar to the BURAN new Russian drone. Does it seem to me alone or?

[nnnnnnnnn]

Quote: Yarbay

The last phrase about Israel sounds a bit frivolous)))
Does Kazakhstan not modernize equipment with Israel?
You are sorry, but look a little ugly from the side of your koment!

After the modernization of the MiG-27 of the Indian Air Force, it was concluded that the MIG Design Bureau knows its car better, and Kazakhstan is also in the CSTO and has one air defense system with the Russian Federation, now in Israel, in terms of modernization, there were too many problems in terms of modernization, let them help with tanks or with artillery and then with the transfer of technologies and licenses, but not in aviation, why? you probably understand that Israel is not an ally of Kazakhstan, and with modern technology, planes or drones will be controlled by a satellite constellation of the USA or Israel and they will fly wherever the "allies" want

[Yarbay]

Dear nnn !!
I understand!!
But if Israel is not an ally of Kazakhstan, why do you upgrade tanks and other equipment with them ??
Then India and Hindus can also say that they, unlike Kazakhstan, do not modernize tanks with Israel !!
Not seriously honest word!

[marshes]

Quote: nnnnnnnnn

if we are MIG-27

We did not save the MiG-27s, we bought them in Ukraine, we wanted to buy the Su-25 in Russia first, but at that time they were in the Caucasus, went to warehouses, Russia, and they "rotted" the MiG-27.
We had few helicopters left after the "collapse" of the planes. In the Dzhambul region at the station Lugovoy there was a helicopter regiment, it got up on the "wing" and flew to Russia. We still have MiG-21, Su-15, Su-17, Su -24 and the rest of the little things ... The MiG-29 was exchanged for the Tu-95, which were stationed in Semipalatinsk.

Quote: nnnnnnnnn

Yes, pilots are studying for this in Russia

They study little in Russia, mainly ours in Aktyubinsk.

[VAF]

Quote: marshes

We didn’t save the MiG-27

Under the concept of retained, it is not implied that they were stored, but RETAINED in a ready state and continue to operate !!!

People do complements for you, and you ..... ????

For example, here is a photo of what we do with the MiG-27s .....

[marshes]

Yes ...
Nice car, you can upgrade to new "smart" ammunition.
Do you still do the Su-25, or did you transfer all the forces to the Su-39? I remember the Georgians riveted the Su-25.

[marshes]

Our boast that our pilots have a large flying hours in a year, more than 120 hours.

[marshes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OYCWWuhF8Q&feature=related

[VAF]

Quote: marshes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OYCWWuhF8Q&feature=related

Unfortunately I couldn’t see it, it has already been blocked for viewing in connection with a complaint of copyright infringement ......

[marshes]

This is from the MIR television company, and so I thought that only we had such strict legislation on piracy
Can you see it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwGSS_jKBzQ

[VAF]

Quote: marshes

Can you see it?

Well, you gave me target designation !!!!!

I had to go through 2 forums. Our and yours found on your .....

I honestly liked everything !!! Especially the fact that the film was made by personnel, i.e. photos with a pause of 2-3 seconds, impressed the systems on the Mig-31, and in the beginning ..., I already sat down with pleasure, my favorite 23UB and live !!!!

I was struck by the fact that simple T-6s are still alive ???

In terms of meaning, you can guess what the song is about, but the music .... I would have liked something more in the style of WHITESNAKE or Van Halen, especially since it’s great to listen to chorus (or chords), but it’s my taste ( I love and read hard and trash)!

And here is how I call this video on your forums - Kazakh rap ???? For this it would be possible to "... knock a pumpkin" !!!

Thanks again! +!

[marshes]

Of course, I would like to newer, well, that is, we are modernizing and operating.

[VAF]

Quote: marshes

, more than 120 hours.

I used to have such a 100-110 before, until 1985 it came out very easily ...

Now, ours have begun to fly a lot, even a lot ...

a new order came out according to the standards, so there they lifted up for 120-140 hours for different types!

Well, what will happen, I’ll say at the end of the year, I’ll talk with the siblings .....

[VAF]

Quote: marshes

Good car

Without a doubt, +!

Quote: marshes

can be upgraded for new "smart" ammunition.

Already made Su-25SM (2 and 3) called.

Quote: marshes

Su-25 still doing

Not yet, only plans for the Su-39th, but how it goes .......

Quote: marshes

I remember the Su-25 Georgians riveted.

I remember correctly, in Tbilisi, but the stuffing on them is Israeli, they even try to establish a release, but .....

On the picture ; Su-25SM3

[Kasym]

Swamps. In Lugovoi stood Mig-23, Mig-29, turntables were not there. In Karaganda Mig-31. Su-27s received Baikonur's rent by barter.
And for the purchase of turntables, that's what I think. We won’t be able to quickly get Milevskie cars, except for the previously signed contract for the Mi-171, due to the workload of Mil's production (they are now working in 3 shifts). Kamov production also works to the limit (I know for sure that there is a queue on the Ka-32). Mikheev came to Astana last year, but what did the info talk about. not . There was an option with western cars. It is certainly good that we agreed on joint production (after all, jobs and there may be some technology), but we may encounter service problems (spare parts, by the way, for example, Toyota earns more from selling spare parts than selling cars .), and not prepared infrastructure (west. Turntables require hangar storage - our climate may be too tough for them), and this is very expensive. If only it wouldn’t turn out that at first we will build for a tick, and then we will close it due to unprofitability. So live see.

[marshes]

At the expense of Lugovoi, I confess, I grieved! It seems that at one time foreigners trained from "friendly countries" in Soviet times ...
At the expense of Western machines, this is for "some" tactical landing, one of the services, in the future we will find out.

[VAF]

Quote: warrior

What for Rafal tomorrow, Typhoon?

[warrior]

I'm about a friend.
It makes sense to buy European equipment only if all your equipment is with the EU and you operate it with a full range of weapons. It is from a high degree of unification and standardization to go. This is practically one company. The idea that it will combine Russian and EU technology is an expensive and erroneous idea. And Bulgaria is an example of this.
Moreover, some of the equipment was practically not exploited. A400m for example. So the best thing is to buy a flying technique - the Puma / Cougar series have served enough and deserve trust.
And do not promote Russian fighters. First, the Russian Federation needs to develop a good modern series of guided weapons of all classes, introduce the ego in mass production, try it in combat conditions, and then there will already be a conversation about the platforms that carry it. And now, Gripenn’s armaments are more advanced than those of RF cars. Uncomfortable like that.

[Yarbay]

Dear Borislav !!
As for the Puma, I agree and ours has been buying it for a long time !!
But I am sure that Kazakhstan is buying this equipment in order to be able to acquire technologies and build its own in the future !!
As for Russia, you must agree to the aircraft industry and Russia is not far behind in the Air Defense weapons, and in some respects it is far ahead of Western models !!

[warrior]

Dear Alibek,
nobody will sell you technologies for avionics and weapons. The technology on some alloy and materials is also still secret. Just assembling components, it’s no problem.
About own production. This is someone who did the analysis of income / expense. Aircraft manufacturing is a prestigious business, but expensive and not always rented. For your own needs, it is not worth developing production, starting with the shaping of body parts. One press for this in the cost of several dozen cars, if not unique and not sold at all. And then "brick production" - for example, the recently crashed Sukhov's liner, is also unsafe. Different parts of different technologies don't always work well together. An example is the Chinese auto industry. European manufacturers began to produce everything together, one firm, not from a good life. If this is not done, then production, support, exploitation, modernization, etc. are much more expensive. So we are happy with national production, but it can be ruinous for the state. In the 30s, several aircraft factories worked in Bulgaria, they produced military and civil aircraft, and almost all of the above mistakes were made.

[Yarbay]

Dear Borislav!
I’m not an expert in this field! But as far as I know, it is now accepted in the world when a large consignment of weapons is bought that part of the technology is often transferred under a contract !!
and let's Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan will not compare with Bulgaria, the economy and finance !!
These countries have great resources for oil and gas and therefore can afford what you put * prestigious business ** - aircraft production!
It just needs political will and decision, plus a cantrol !!
That there are risks, I completely agree, but the road will take the road !!
with respect

[VAF]

Quote: Yarbay

That there are risks, I completely agree, but the road will take the road !!

Well done, dear Alibek, you should always strive only FORWARD!

Only in the MOTION does development take place and progress is achieved !!! +!

[Yarbay]

Dear Sergey!
I am convinced that money is spent in Courchevel, it is better to try to create something !!
At least this is for many years thousands of jobs !!
The risk is justified!

[VAF]

Quote: Yarbay

I am convinced that money is spent in Courchevel, it is better to try to create something !!

Dear Alikbek, you are 1% RIGHT, +++++ !!!!!!

That's just ..... we have the "helm" all the same and still the same ....., so what you write about, for us, at the moment, this is an impossible dream !!!

[Ataturk]

Remove letters from your mail, letters do not reach you.

[warrior]

Dear Alibek,
rich is not smart yet. Yes, and money is earned, but you can’t buy and mind.
Hi

[abylai]

Yes, I agree that you can’t buy your mind, but you need money to train specialists
there will be money will be the basis for education
Best regards

[Nursultan]

A little information about one of the companies in KZ that is engaged in the modernization of old equipment