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Retirement age in Russia: history and modernity. Part of 1

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Bolshevik Party - for the revision of pension programs


The legacy of the old world Bolsheviks inherited a largely destroyed system of state charity. Provisional government for the first time in the Russian stories attempted to replace the royal system of public charity on the institution of state charity. However, the creation of such a ministry did not go further. The three ministers of state grants changed, but local structures were never created and did not actually work anywhere.

Retirement age in Russia: history and modernity. Part of 1


It must be said that the Bolsheviks went to power with an attractive retirement plan for the workers. So, back in 1912, the decisions of the VI (Prague) All-Russian Conference of the RSDLP fixed the provision on the full pension replacement of lost earnings. The resolution “Concerning the Duma Bill on State Insurance of Workers” noted: “The best form of insurance for workers is state insurance based on the following reasons: a) it should provide workers with all cases of disability (injury, illness, old age, disability) ;… (B) insurance should cover all wage earners and their families; c) all insured should be rewarded according to the principle of full wage compensation, all insurance costs should fall on entrepreneurs and the state ... ”But already in May of 1917, Lenin returned from emigration to Russia, assessing the real socio-economic situation in the country, writes an article Materials on the revision of the party program. In this work, he revised the principle of social security for the elderly and disabled. The provision on the full replacement of the employee’s earnings with a pension by the state was completely excluded from the party program. Together, this included a new thesis on the need to achieve: “Full social insurance for workers: a) for all types of wage labor; b) for all types of disability, namely: from diseases, injury, disability, old age, occupational diseases, motherhood, widowhood and orphanhood, as well as unemployment, etc .; ... d) payment of insurance costs at the expense of capitalists ... "

Or, if to formulate briefly and somewhat simplified in relation to the issue under consideration, then it was a question of the age of old age, with the occurrence of which a person was considered disabled. As we will see later, the age limit of old age in our country has changed several times. At the same time, it was not always universal, and was often established for certain categories of workers.

After the October coup, rather on inertial-logical thinking, the new government created the assignee of the Ministry of State Prize in the person of the People's Commissariat of State Prize (NKGP) headed by A. Kollontai. The main feature of the new socio-economic institution of Soviet Russia was the development and implementation of class restrictions on pension rights. Originally, the budget of the RSFSR for 1918 for the payment of pensions from the treasury, by analogy with the previous year, allocated more than 1 billion rubles. It immediately became clear that in a war-torn country there are no financial opportunities to maintain the existing mass of pensioners. In the future, this item of expenditure sharply decreased due to the refusal of pension payments to “class-alien” old people from the “former” category. Individual retirement savings of the emergency funds and pension funds of the order funds were nationalized.

At the same time, it was decided to switch to the insurance model of the pension system, the foundations of which were laid in the interests of factory workers back in the 1912 year. Now it was decided to extend its effect to all employees. Disability for any reasons (injury, illness, old age, etc.) was considered an insured event. Separation of the pension system was enshrined by the Decree of the CPK from November 15 1921. Since that time, all employees engaged in hired labor, at the age of old age established at that time, began to receive a disability pension through the social insurance system. At the same time, workers were completely exempted from insurance premiums. This obligation was assigned to legal entities regardless of the form of ownership. The amount of the contribution was within 21-28% of the organization’s salary fund.

For certain categories, mainly military and civil servants, the state pension system has been preserved. In this publication, this direction is not considered.

The first steps to determining the retirement age in the USSR

After the formation of the USSR, the process of centralization and the formation of a single pension system of the country began. The size of the pension was normalized in solid amounts. District coefficients were introduced. The system of pension calculations was streamlined - now it was not personal earnings that were taken as a basis, but the average salary index for a specific region.

In 1924, for the first time, the age limit was established and the conditions for acquiring pension rights for faculty members and academics were determined. The working age limit was determined in 65 years. Further it was possible to work, but already out of state. To receive a pension, 2 foundations were established: 1) to serve in these positions for at least 25 years or 2) reaching the age of 65 years if you have teaching or scientific experience 10 years or more. The pension was set for life in the amount of salary. At the same time, there was a procedure similar to the modern indexation of pensions. In those years, the pension of this category of citizens automatically increased as the rates of remuneration of the faculty increased. Favorable conditions for retirement with disability at an earlier age and with less length of service were also envisaged. Widows and young children were entitled to receive pensions in case of loss of the breadwinner.

A year later, seniority pensions were established for teachers, classes, librarians and some other employees of the public education system. Pensions in each category had lower and upper limits (“fork”). The minimum pension was 20, and the maximum - 97 rubles.

How attractive were such pension rules when they reached the retirement age at the beginning of the 1920s? Let's compare pension conditions for professors with insurance pensions of employees. At that time, the main document establishing the pension standards was the Labor Code of the RSFSR, first 1918, and then 1922 of the year. At the same time, the code from 1918 of the year simply established the 50 age of old-age disability. The normative documents of those years identified 6 disability groups with the loss in varying degrees of ability to work. An employee’s achievement of 50 age was equivalent to disability and was considered a reason to apply for the establishment of a disability pension. But in the 1922 code of the year a separate chapter XVII “On social insurance” has already appeared. It was also indicated there that SNK is granted the right to establish “the duration of the work period giving the right to receive old-age allowance”. By the way, in art. 176, which listed everything that is part of the “social insurance” norm, does not mention the “old-age allowance” referred to in art. 187 Codex. However, the same article explains that disability benefits are granted in three cases: 1) injury; 2) disease and 3) old age. In more detail, all pension issues were regulated by regulatory documents of the NKGP and the National Social Insurance Fund of the RSFSR.

For future retirees, a “class cut-off filter” was installed - a mandatory work experience of at least 8 years. It is quite clear that the old people from the “former” under no circumstances could have had such work experience and were automatically located outside the new pension system. Later this restriction was removed.

For all workers, the age of disability, the same for men and women, was set to 50 years. Upon reaching this age, there were grounds for granting a disability pension. With the age of 60 years, the pension was automatically assigned, without undergoing medical examination. After 50 years, citizens were exempted from all types of labor service in accordance with the Labor Code 1918 of the year. However, in the Labor Code 1922, the age of full exemption from labor service was divided by gender and significantly reduced. Since that time, men older than 45 and women older than 40 have been assigned to this category. The codes laid down the norms of the 8-hour working day, vacation, rest time, etc. It is noteworthy that in both codes only 6 holidays were established in the year, of which only the New Year has been preserved. The rest of the holidays, such as: the Day of the overthrow of the autocracy (March 12), the Paris Commune Day (March 18), the International Day (May 1) and others were lost in the last century.

Introduction of labor retirement pension

In 1928, for the first time in our country, we started to insure workers for old age. Such pensions were established for textile workers. Why did the old-age pension start spreading from textile workers? There are several reasons for this. The textile industry in the period from 1920 to 1927 years recovered quite high, up to 46% per year, by rates. The country's leadership was interested in the production of textiles to increase the volume of commodity-money relations between the city and the countryside. However, the restored level of production of the 1913 of the year began to decline again, since all the internal production and human reserves of the industry were already used. At the same time, textile products have traditionally been considered as one of the sources for obtaining funds for the beginning industrialization of the country. It was in those years that the well-known division of all products into group A (production of means of production) and group B (production of consumer goods) took shape. To reduce employee turnover and attract new employees to the textile industry, one of the stabilizing measures was the introduction of a sectoral innovation - old-age pension insurance. For textile workers, the retirement age was set: for men - 60 years, for women - 55 years. The size of the pension corresponded to 2 / 3 of the amount of pension payments for the 2 group of disability for general illness and depended on the average earnings of the pensioner. As we now understand, in 1928, the year was significant - immediately by 15 years the retirement age for old age was increased compared to the age of disability under the Labor Code from 1922 years for employees (45 men and 40 years).

A year later, this pension practice was legislatively introduced in some branches of heavy industry, in railway and water transport. However, the dynamics of retirement to reach the age limit of working capacity (old age) was insignificant. According to data published by V. Roik, in the USSR in 1928 there were only 2 thousand. 700 old-age pensioners. However, over the next 5 years, their number increased by about 17 times. In 1932, an old-age pension was granted to about 48 thousand employees.

In the 1924 year, on the issues of the Insurance Issues magazine, with all the proletarian categoricalness it was stated: “If you are an old man and are still capable of work, work. But I lost my ability to work - get a pension. ” Nevertheless, in fact, for the 1929 year inclusive, workers of 50-year-old age acquired the right to a disability pension due to age-related disability. At that time, old age as a social risk in the pension legislation of the RSFSR and the USSR did not exist.

Workers reach the age of old age as an insured event

Of key importance for the development of the Soviet pension system was a joint decree of the Central Election Commission and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR on 15 of May 1929 of the year “On the provision of old-age social insurance”. This document laid the foundations for the future Soviet old-age pension insurance system. The decree was normatively established:

- class orientation of old-age pension provision - only for workers;
- sectoral priorities - for the mining and metal industries (and the electrical industry), as well as rail and water transport, and also confirmed the previously introduced for the textile industry;
- conditions for the formation of pension rights at the onset of old age for workers: 1) for men who have reached the 60 age by the day they left work and who have a total work experience of employment for at least 25 years; 2) for women who, by the time they left their employment, are 55-old and have at least 20 years of general employment experience.
- for the first time, special preferential conditions for receiving an old-age pension for those employed in underground mining operations are standardized - when the age is 50 years and the total work experience is at least 20 years;
- the independence of the appointment of an old-age pension on the degree of working ability of the employee was established;
- introduced a simple and clear calculation of the pension - half of the previous earnings;
- There are several options for pensions in case the pensioner starts to work for hire or to receive additional income in another way.

A new procedure for the appointment of old-age pensions was introduced for workers in the textile industry from 1 December 1927 (retroactively), for workers of the railway and water transport - from 1 January 1929 (retroactively), for workers in the mining and metal industries (and the electrical industry) - from 15 April 1929 of the year.

At the same time, special rights were granted to the Social Security Council under the People's Commissariat of Labor of the USSR to lower the age and length of service for people employed in hazardous industries, as well as to set limits on the amount of pensions to be granted. In 1933, social insurance was transferred to the union.

It should be borne in mind that all the measures taken on social insurance related only to workers and other employees for hire, mainly working in the field of industrial production and transport. The rural population still, as in the old days, did not have pension rights and was provided with the loss of earning capacity due to the system of communal mutual aid. By 1924, more than 50 thousand self-help committees in the countryside were established with a fund in excess of 5 million rubles. By the end of 1920, the cumulative amount of funds in these funds increased 10 times.

To be continued ...
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  1. Vard
    Vard 22 June 2018 05: 46
    +2
    That's interesting ... Those who retire earlier ... Beneficiaries ... who are harmed ... It turns out that the employer took advantage of the profit they brought ... And you and I should pay for it .. it might be fair if would continue to deduct social benefits for beneficiaries ...
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 22 June 2018 07: 06
      +3
      who then will go to the mines? and what kind of profit do the army and power structures receive, too, after all? In any case, for 10 working 4 pensioners (+ children, dependents, etc.), women work for 25 years and retirement for 25 years (average demographic figures for the country) - this is the economy bursting at the seams. and youth with placards runs willingly, and for 20 thousand. does not want to work. There, in China there is no pension at all and plow like dad carlo
      our people are lazy. want to live like in Europe, only so that taxes like in Russia and retirement age like in Russia are lazy utopians
      1. 210ox
        210ox 22 June 2018 07: 54
        +10
        Are you lazy utopians? Our people are hardworking .. But here are the costs ... For the same Pension Fund. In the regional centers who have the largest and most recently constructed offices? How much do they spend on themselves? Are there non-core assets in the form of a party of pensioners? .. And so on throughout the country .. It is necessary to save, and there will be enough money for retirement.
        Quote: Tlauicol
        who then will go to the mines? and what kind of profit do the army and power structures receive, too, after all? In any case, for 10 working 4 pensioners (+ children, dependents, etc.), women work for 25 years and retirement for 25 years (average demographic figures for the country) - this is the economy bursting at the seams. and youth with placards runs willingly, and for 20 thousand. does not want to work. There, in China there is no pension at all and plow like dad carlo
        our people are lazy. want to live like in Europe, only so that taxes like in Russia and retirement age like in Russia are lazy utopians
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 22 June 2018 08: 31
          +2
          I do not protect thieves from the PFR, but their dispossession will not solve anything: neither the ratio of pensioners and dependents to workers 2 to 1mu, nor the percentage of deductions, nor the age of survival. Anyway - in order to drag it, the young must plow for themselves and for that guy. no other way ! and so all over the world (where pensions are generally paid)
          Concerning the palaces: “So, over the past eight years, 347 buildings have been bought and built across the country with a total area of ​​430 thousand square meters. Costs - 16,2 billion rubles, or only 0,067% of the expenses of the PFR budget. For comparison - in just one month, the PFR pays pensions of 430 billion rubles, we divide 16,2 billion rubles into 40 million Russian pensioners, we get - attention! - 405 rubles to everyone, and this, as you know, is not a monthly increase in pension, it’s only ONCE"
          this drop in the sea will not solve the problem of aging and incomes
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 22 June 2018 09: 03
            +10
            Quote: Tlauicol
            ratio of pensioners and dependents to workers 2 to 1mu

            There are other ways to change the ratio without raising your retirement age. The number of employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Russia exceeds the number of those employees in the entire USSR, almost three times per capita, and by this indicator we are in an honorable 4th place in the world. And if you count the guards who today wipe their pants on almost every kvass barrel, then it will become completely sad. In short, there are no problems with workers, there are problems with jobs.
            Quote: Tlauicol
            Anyway - in order to drag it, the young must plow for themselves and for that guy.

            The state has not created any conditions for this plowing. The 25 million jobs Putin spoke about turned out to be zilch in a puddle.
            1. tlauicol
              tlauicol 22 June 2018 09: 41
              +2
              zilch in a puddle? Of course, after all, none of the young people want to clean the yard in their students, and then go to the aircraft factory, shipyard, etc. - everyone is studying lawyers and designers. There my niece threw a medical one - I want, he says to draw interiors! then there are not enough brains, not jobs - paradise life must be created by labor, and not required from the state!
              our people are lazy - this is a fact. she wants to live by pike, so she lives poorly and complains. Well, the eternal thieves in power - this is ordinary and history
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 22 June 2018 09: 58
                +7
                Quote: Tlauicol
                because none of the young people want to clean the yard in college,

                But they generally take, clean the yard? For us, for example, quite healthy men work for the minimum wipers.
                Quote: Tlauicol
                Look, my niece threw medetsinsky - I want, he says to draw interiors

                Yes, it’s much easier than to examine grannies at two bets.
                Quote: Tlauicol
                there are not enough brains

                Who didn’t have enough brains?
                Quote: Tlauicol
                Paradise life must be created by labor, and not required from the state.

                The state must create conditions for work.
                1. tlauicol
                  tlauicol 22 June 2018 10: 24
                  +2
                  Yes, what other conditions are needed - go study as an engineer, and do not finish your hairdresser courses - no, go to the factory zapadlo, it’s better to do a manicure. This is the ideology of the young! Nobody produces anything, only the service sector and the state apparatus are inflated. The problem is that people want a sweet life right here, here and now. But this is utopia, no state will help here.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 22 June 2018 10: 42
                    +2
                    Quote: Tlauicol
                    Yes, what other conditions are needed - go study as an engineer, and not finish the hairdresser's courses. The problem is that people want a sweet life right away, here and now. But this is utopia, no state will help here.

                    You grasped the essence! hi
                    1. tlauicol
                      tlauicol 22 June 2018 11: 14
                      +1
                      hi Thank you.
                      Meal'n'Real! And the salary! And so as not to work!
                  2. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 22 June 2018 16: 02
                    +10
                    Quote: Tlauicol
                    go west to the factory

                    When they pay at the factory the same amount as advertisers, then you’ll think about where to go. I studied as a reinforced concrete master, and who needed my knowledge when in the 90s they began to pay salaries with sand and cement?
              2. Royalist
                Royalist 22 June 2018 10: 52
                +2
                Tlaikul, in part I agree with you: the young are NOW smart and do not want to plow. So many designers and stylists have developed that horror takes. On the first day I walked down the street and looked: a big cat face was painted and there, something about the design for cats. What have cats come up with haircuts to do? Joking as a joke, but if any Fifa has a mind with a gulkin nose, there are some, but there’s a lot of money. What should she do with her intellect? Just write to people like myself: "my kitty has a special haircut, but yours don't have one"
                1. ibnvladimir
                  ibnvladimir 22 June 2018 12: 28
                  +16
                  Make your worker sn higher than all of these designers and lawyers ... And, lo and behold, the workers will immediately want a huge number of people. Capital does not want a revival of class consciousness among the proletariat, tritely reducing its number and decreasing production. After all, where, if not we have great chances of repeating the events of a hundred years ago. And young people, like savvy ones, are being led by that.
                2. Imobile
                  Imobile 22 June 2018 12: 32
                  +1
                  In vain are you talking about designers. The designer thinks how to make it convenient and beautiful, while cheap. They are very important. Now the task is not only to produce, now anything can be done, any Dur can do (except IT) It is important that the end user is comfortable and beautiful (the standard of living has nevertheless increased) and it is necessary to convey to the user (advertisers are also important)
                  1. cradle
                    cradle 14 September 2018 11: 05
                    +1
                    I'm sobbing from the realization of the importance of designers and advertisers! How they lived without them before! Scary to think and imagine! Here the wipers are garbage, and the designers are great! And the advertiser is the limit of reason!
                3. cradle
                  cradle 14 September 2018 11: 07
                  0
                  Unfortunately, demand creates supply. In the meantime, there are these fifa, there are also stylists for cats. The degradation of society in the face of capitalism.
            2. Royalist
              Royalist 22 June 2018 10: 36
              0
              Mordvin, let’s cut the staff of the Ministry of Internal Affairs by 50%, by dispersing all the guards and then how much the budget will increase
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 22 June 2018 16: 10
                +4
                Quote: Royalist
                Mordvin, let’s cut the staff of the Ministry of Internal Affairs by 50%, by dispersing all the guards and then how much the budget will increase

                Let's. Two million workers snout immediately appear. Only now the budget will not increase one iota, due to lack of jobs. IMHO.
                1. Vard
                  Vard 23 June 2018 09: 55
                  +2
                  At the same time, the hiring of immigrants must be prohibited ... and then you will see a miracle ... There will be a lot of jobs ...
                2. cradle
                  cradle 14 September 2018 11: 12
                  0
                  not true, but the freed up budget costs of 50% of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. 2 trillion rubles the whole budget. Well, let the costs not be reduced exactly by 1 trillion., But at least 750 billion. + Profit from their work in production. It’s also a decent amount. But now going out into the street will not be camilpho ... without brass knuckles at least.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 22 June 2018 09: 16
        +8
        Quote: Tlauicol
        and youth with placards runs willingly, and for 20 thousand. does not want to work.

        And others with batons run for 40 thousand and hollow those who for 20 do not want.
        Quote: Tlauicol
        There, in China there is no pension at all and plow like dad carlo

        Maybe this fairy tale about the fact that there are no pensions to mumble in China is enough? Tired of it already.
        Quote: Tlauicol
        our people are lazy.

        Another mantra from the "pipe-loving." Our people are working better than many others, otherwise they would have died long ago.
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 22 June 2018 09: 43
          +2
          yeah, if we were to receive a pension like in China, we would have been rolled up by the Kremlin
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 22 June 2018 16: 16
            +7
            Quote: Tlauicol
            yeah, if we were to receive a pension like in China, we would have been rolled up by the Kremlin

            You generally said that there is no pension in China. Will we argue further? I have a disabled neighbor who gets 5 thousand. Nobody needs it, barely walks, and after all he worked as a designer in the defense industry.
      3. zyzx
        zyzx 1 September 2018 12: 32
        0
        Yeah, here at the Lego factory, 3 workers per 10000 m2, and stamped parts for millions per year. Now 1n worker can feed 3 pensioners.
    2. Vend
      Vend 22 June 2018 08: 59
      +2
      The article is good, but without information, how much was paid looks one-sided. For example, in Stalin's times, pensions were lower than student scholarships. And students had to earn extra money to live on a scholarship. Well and so on
      1. Royalist
        Royalist 22 June 2018 11: 10
        +4
        And the collective farmers did not know pensions at all. I remember that somewhere on Tuesday there was a class and my grandmother just received a pension8 (!) P and said that when the collective farmer was given a pension for the first time, the women prepared a bunch of everything and had a holiday.
        And about life after the military, the student is generally a separate song (the students had ditties dedicated to their everyday life, something about a student who felt frost through a holey boot and trotted forward) and they worked and were happy. And L. I. Brezhnev, once recalled that as a student he went with friends at night to unload wagons: “two for the state, and one for himself” (something like this)
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 23 June 2018 21: 59
          +2
          Quote: Royalist
          And collective farmers did not know pensions at all.

          It is not true that collective farmers did not receive a pension. The charter of the agricultural cartel of 1935 (Article 11) obliged the collective farm board to create a social fund to help disabled people, the elderly, collective farmers who temporarily lost their ability to work, needy families of military personnel, to maintain kindergartens, nurseries and orphans. Pensioners received a pension in workdays and were given food, grain, and vegetables; in addition, firewood, tes for roof repairs, etc. were issued free of charge. She also stood out in money. Under Khrushchev, the state began to give out the monetary part of the pension.
      2. Imobile
        Imobile 22 June 2018 12: 41
        +2
        I’ll say about grandma, this is a later period - the end of the 50s. On the collective farm, she was almost the only one to receive a pension, as an honored worker. The pension was 9 rubles. A trip to the district center to get it one way 12rub, So take it.
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 23 June 2018 21: 49
          +4
          Quote: Imobile
          The pension was 9 rubles. A trip to the district center to get it one way 12rub, So take it.

          You already bent it. The pension was 9 rubles after the denomination of 1961, and a trip to the district center by bus then by a cargo taxi (there were such) cost 30 kopecks. In the 60s a ticket for a Moscow-Odessa plane cost 14 rubles, a bus ticket for a distance of about 75 km. cost 1 ruble 10 kopecks
          1. Imobile
            Imobile 25 June 2018 09: 40
            0
            I say as was the case with my grandmother. Without any words, in a book, in a wiki textbook, somewhere ... 1.10 - this ticket cost after 61, I say up to 61.
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 25 June 2018 20: 44
              +2
              Quote: Imobile
              I say as was the case with my grandmother. Without any words, in a book, in a wiki textbook, somewhere ... 1.10 - this ticket cost after 61, I say up to 61.

              Grandson, and I lived at that time, and my mother in those years was also a pensioner for disability
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 25 June 2018 20: 50
          +1
          Quote: Imobile
          A trip to the district center to get it one way 12rub,

          And you can’t balabolit easier?
          1. Imobile
            Imobile 27 June 2018 10: 54
            0
            .what do you disagree with? The prices, I think, were about the same throughout the central zone. If you were older and remembered 59, you would not be asked questions.
    3. akunin
      akunin 22 June 2018 14: 40
      +5
      Quote: Vard
      That's interesting ... Those who retire earlier ... Beneficiaries ... who are harmed ... It turns out that the employer took advantage of the profit they brought ... And you and I should pay for it .. it might be fair if would continue to deduct social benefits for beneficiaries ...

      I am a beneficiary - radiation (1 grid), a polyclinic, salary 15tyr. Question: "will you go to my place?" The harmfulness was removed 2 years ago (radiation is harmless and even useful), but all reports of radiation loads go to Moscow every year. Does radiation mean less useful?
      1. Vard
        Vard 23 June 2018 09: 56
        +1
        Disabled person of the second group ... Cancer of the 4th degree ... let's change?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 23 June 2018 10: 16
          +1
          Quote: Vard
          Disabled person of the second group ... Cancer of the 4th degree

          Not the best bunch ... but judging by what you wrote about it already, EMNIP, a year ago - you are "stable" and it can all go on ... for a very long time.
          Quote: Vard
          let's change?

          It depends on how old you are. If 10 years older than me, I would, by example, willingly change.
          Not kidding, by the way.
        2. akunin
          akunin 23 June 2018 19: 05
          +1
          Disabled person of the second group ... Cancer of the 4th degree ... let's change?

          I sympathize, but we talked about benefits for harm and not about diagnoses. I don’t mean to change. Among people who work on the first grid, there are no healthy people after retirement (especially for radiation). I offended - sorry.
    4. cradle
      cradle 14 September 2018 10: 58
      0
      below answered: who will go to the mines? Good question. You at least approach her without even getting into this damn hole and get into what people get benefits for ... when they survive to retirement.
  2. EvilLion
    EvilLion 22 June 2018 08: 16
    +7
    After the October coup


    The coup was in February. In October there was a revolution. The Great October Socialist.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 22 June 2018 08: 50
      +3
      Quote: EvilLion
      After the October coup


      The coup was in February. In October there was a revolution. The Great October Socialist.

      Ulyanova read: he called the VOR a coup: V. I. Lenin, speaking at a meeting of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee on February 24, 1918, he said:
      “Of course, it is pleasant and easy for workers, peasants and soldiers to speak, it was pleasant and easy to watch how after October Revolution the revolution was moving forward
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 22 June 2018 09: 06
        0
        Quote: Olgovich
        Quote: EvilLion
        After the October coup


        The coup was in February. In October there was a revolution. The Great October Socialist.

        Ulyanova read: he called the VOR a coup: V. I. Lenin, speaking at a meeting of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee on February 24, 1918, he said:
        “Of course, it is pleasant and easy for workers, peasants and soldiers to speak, it was pleasant and easy to watch how after October Revolution the revolution was moving forward

        you gave a link where Lenin does not call the revolution a coup and shares the concepts request . coup and revolution events of various sizes
        for EvilLion - in February and October there were both coups (a shift in power) and a revolution (global changes in the system and political structure)
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 22 June 2018 10: 45
          +2
          Quote: Tlauicol
          Lenin does not call revolution a coup

          And what did he call the events of October 25? Coup!
          But not a thief.
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 22 June 2018 11: 05
            +2
            Well, it didn’t end with a coup, but after 25m it’s 26th.
            Lenin shares these concepts
          2. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 23 June 2018 20: 34
            +3
            Quote: Olgovich
            And what did he call the events of October 25? Coup!

            Enough to speculate on this already.
            IN AND. Lenin at the Second Congress of Soviets on October 25 (November 7), 1917, immediately after the overthrow of the interim government, said: “Comrades! Worker and peasant revolution, about the necessity of which the Bolsheviks spoke all the time, it happened. ”
            A revolution is an era, it does not end with the taking of the Winter Palace, it is also a revolutionary transformation.
            The revolution is changing the socio-political formation. Therefore, in February there was a revolution, but a bourgeois revolution, and in October, but already a socialist revolution.
            In February 1917, the monarchy was replaced by a bourgeois republic, in October 1917, the bourgeois republic (bourgeois parliament) was replaced by a socialist (councils of workers and peasants' deputies).
            Everything great is seen in the distance. The French Revolution was not called Great either. The October Revolution was first called the great Raskolnikov at the Constituent Assembly in January 1918. Official name Great October Socialist Revolution It began to take shape when they first began to write the history of the revolution for its 10th anniversary.
      2. Royalist
        Royalist 22 June 2018 11: 28
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        Olgovich, here you are right: the old Bolsheviks in the twenties did not use the phrase: "The Great October Revolution" they began to say so from the late 50s, or maybe I'm wrong? We ask our historians. We live curly: a bunch of historians and Shirokorad and Samsonov and .V. O. Shpakovsky, and how many “couch” academicians of history! Just kidding
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 24 June 2018 08: 20
          +1
          Quote: Royalist
          We live curly: a bunch of historians and Shirokorad and Samsonov and .V. O. Shpakovsky, and how many “couch” academicians of history! Just kidding

          And how many falsifiers divorced !!! And this is no joke.
  3. EvilLion
    EvilLion 22 June 2018 08: 39
    +3
    In general, I like the wording “old age, as an insurance case”, it very well describes the idea of ​​it in a country with an average life expectancy of 40. Well, it may happen that you will not be raked into the army during the next war and will not be buried in a mass grave, will not fill up in the face, will not tear off your hand when carelessly working on a dangerous machine, and you will not even die from typhoid and happen to you are such a wonderful thing that you no longer have the strength to work. May be. Well, the rural population in 85%, which has always lived by what it has grown, and from the state was largely autonomous, solving problems by the community.

    Technically, all the pension provision that was maintained during the Soviet years with an increase in life expectancy, so in the 60s it was already possible to say even for men that you would rather survive than not survive, and this can be explained by the preservation of the mass of young people due to fertility (WWII of the elderly I also did not regret it, simply because a person could have lived 5 for years, but he had died of malnutrition before, they will not be included in the loss), but this is primarily the result of a multiple increase in labor productivity due to mechanization. Now the possibilities for this are almost exhausted, automation provides a certain increase in the quality of control, but if KAMAZ carries 10 tons at a time, then the 1 driver with 1 KAMAZ will no longer transport from the fact that KAMAZ will have an on-board computer. Fuel and resource, but it will save, but this is not a transition from oxen and horses to a lorry, from a lorry to GAZ-52, but from it to KAMAZ.

    But they already began to live noticeably longer than in the late USSR.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 22 June 2018 17: 59
      +3
      Quote: EvilLion
      Now the possibilities for this are already almost exhausted, automation provides a certain increase in control quality, but if KAMAZ transports 10 tons at a time, then 1 driver with 1 KAMAZ will no longer transport from the fact that KAMAZ will have an on-board computer. Fuel and a resource, it’ll save, but this is not a transition from oxen and horses to a lorry, from a lorry to a GAZ-52, but from it to KAMAZ.

      Are you exhausted from horseradish? Extremely stupid analogy. We take Kamaz twice the carrying capacity and now productivity has doubled. Automation is only gaining momentum. And already this is bad for the people. Under communism, this meant a decrease in the working day with an increase in labor productivity, and under capitalism you have gone out of the gates now you are superfluous.
  4. Olgovich
    Olgovich 22 June 2018 08: 45
    +4
    The main feature of the new socio-economic institute of Soviet Russia was the development and implementation class restrictions pension rights.

    Ordinary segregation. By class. What is the difference from national segregation? Nothing! .
    Subsequently, this item of expenditure decreased sharply due to refusal of pension payments to "class-alien" old people from the category of “former”. Individual the pension savings of the cash registers and the pension funds of the order funds were nationalized.

    And the old people are enemies to them. There are no words .....
    They also robbed pension savings ... negative
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 22 June 2018 09: 12
      +10
      and when the king-priest segregation (class and national) was not? paradise life ?! why then three revolutions in 10 years?
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 22 June 2018 10: 48
        +1
        Quote: Tlauicol
        and when the king-priest segregation (class and national) was not?

        Did not have.
        Quote: Tlauicol
        why then three revolutions in 10 years?

        Read WHAT was in the world at this time.
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 22 June 2018 11: 09
          +3
          Dogs and lower ranks are not allowed! - what's this? Not segregation?
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 22 June 2018 11: 34
            +2
            Quote: Tlauicol
            Dogs and lower ranks are not allowed! - what's this? Not segregation?


            This is the rule of conduct in general places: "The lower ranks in the work dress and dogs are not admitted."
            So today, in dirty clothes and dogs, you can’t get into transport ...
            PS You compare the incomparable: the elderly were deprived of a PIECE of bread and doomed to starvation! and what are you talking about?
            1. tlauicol
              tlauicol 22 June 2018 12: 02
              +6
              Brusilov A.A. Memories. - M.: Military Publishing. 1963 p. 47

              “For three years I lived in Lublin, in very good relations with the whole society (...) I lived in the barracks, against the magnificent city garden, and walked daily along its shady wonderful alleys. These walks were shared by my fox terrier Boer. One fine day when I entered the garden, I was struck by a piece of paper hung on the gate, as usual, various orders of the authorities were posted: "The lower ranks and dogs are not allowed to enter." I was very angry. "
              Gilyarovsky V.A. Moscow and Muscovites (Gilyarovsky V.A. Works in four volumes, Volume 4, Moscow: Pravda, 1989. - P.206)

              “But not everyone had access to the coffee house. Signs were stained on the walls: “Do not drive dogs” and “No entry to the lower ranks”.
              "doomed to starvation" of the elderly among the nobles and merchants? yes come on - the poor people in Paris then swelled from hunger
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 23 June 2018 08: 25
                +1
                Quote: Tlauicol
                condemned to starvation "old men from among the nobles and merchants? Come on, poor people in Paris then swelled from hunger

                Inhumans doomed to hunger DEATH hundreds of thousands citizens of the country, depriving them of rations, property, money and savings.
                Quote: Tlauicol
                Brusilov A.A.. Memories. - M.: Military Publishing. 1963 p. 47

                Brusilov wrote what he was ordered to write. Otherwise, a bullet.
                Quote: Tlauicol
                But access to coffee house

                ONE coffee shop? lol
                IN A WORKING DRESS, it is forbidden today.
            2. Looking for
              Looking for 22 June 2018 13: 17
              +3
              Dolbo..b, he came up with a work dress. To get out?
  5. Royalist
    Royalist 22 June 2018 11: 52
    0
    I should slightly supplement the author: New Year's Day as a day off appeared at the suggestion of Postyshev in the 30s and then they said: "A gift from Pyotr Petrovich Postyshev as pioneers." And you forgot on May 1,
    In 1924 they correctly wrote: "if you are a Syarik and are capable of work, work"
  6. BAI
    BAI 22 June 2018 11: 53
    +6
    Speaking about the history, it was necessary to note that although the pension system of tsarist Russia could be good enough for its time, only officials and military received state pensions until 1903 (there were also emergency cash registers and mutual assistance work funds - for workers, but for state enterprises), in general, the pension system covered less than 1/3 of the population.
    In 1912, under the new law on pensions, 2,5 million workers fell, the remaining 12 million without pensions.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 22 June 2018 17: 27
      +2
      Quote: BAI
      the remaining 12 millions - without pensions.

      In tsarist Russia, the vast majority of the population was involved in the production of agricultural products, where not only were there no pensions, but also salaries per se.
  7. swan49
    swan49 16 August 2018 09: 45
    +1
    The myth of the absence of pensions in China is intensely circulated in our country. In China, about 200 million retirees, however, are mainly urban people. The size of the pension differs by region. Its average size is 2353 yuan (23200 rubles). More information on this subject gala-gala15.livejournal.com