Baku declares readiness to “liberate” Karabakh

The Azerbaijani Armed Forces are morally ready for the “liberation of the occupied territories” of Nagorno-Karabakh, reports Interfax Statement by the country's Defense Minister Zakir Hasanov.

Hasanov noted that the purpose of his department is precisely to prepare the army for a real war, because the peace settlement negotiations are not the work of the military. He recalled that such a task before the command was set by President Ilham Aliyev. And it will be fully implemented in a few years.

According to the minister, at present the republic’s armed forces are 90% equipped with automated control systems, 80% of military personnel are contract servicemen. In addition, the military continues to update the fleet of military equipment and the purchase of new artillery systems.

He also promised to show at the June 26 parade the Russian Shield missile and artillery complex.

Recall, at the beginning of the year, President Aliyev stated that Yerevan is “historical land "of Azerbaijanis, therefore the strategic task of the republic is the return of this city.

Since 1994, a cease-fire has been established between Azerbaijan and Armenia in the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. At the same time, Baku refuses to negotiate directly with representatives of Karabakh, since it does not consider them a party to an interstate conflict.

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[Mountain shooter]

While Azerbaijan is "getting ready", Armenia will VERY tightly hold on to Russia

[Vadim237]

In terms of obtaining loans.

[mgero]

Damn koga nochnut vaynu Azeri? Eshe dolgo jdat? Or umrem i neuvidem pobedanosnogo saldata Alieva Ilxama?

[MKPU-115]

Quote: mgero

Damn koga nochnut vaynu Azeri? Eshe dolgo jdat? Or umrem i neuvidem pobedanosnogo saldata Alieva Ilxama?

Dear, and translit in any way? religion does not allow?
http://www.translit.cc/

[Romka47]

Do you really want meat and blood? If such a desire, then do not wait, buy equipment and blow on the war game.

[Ramzay121]

Quote: mgero

Damn koga nochnut vaynu Azeri?

Do you dream about this while sitting in Germany? Come over

[Safevi]

And why was the word “set free” in quotation marks? What country does not have the right to release its territory, recognized by all the states of the world? And when Hasanov "promised to show at the parade on June 26 the Russian missile and artillery complex" Shield "."? I personally have not met such words, although I closely follow the subject, of course. Typically pro-Armenian article, which is usually for this site. I have been here for a long time, and still have not met at least a neutral article.

[garnik]

And why was the word “set free” in quotation marks? What country does not have the right to release its territory, recognized by all the states of the world?

The artsakhs were not conquered, but transferred by the Bolsheviks as well as Nakhichevan.
The boundaries of modern so-called The EU has not recorded Azerbaijan in its documents.
The fact that the historical name of the province of Armenia A, the RCAC does not pass without changes in the spelling on the VO suggests the opposite.
In general, admins are obliged to correct the lies imposed on them, unless of course there is no interest on their part.

[Romka47]

This is when it is ALL COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD recognized Yerevan as the territory of Azerbaijan ??

[Yeraz]

Quote: Romka47

This is when it is ALL COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD recognized Yerevan as the territory of Azerbaijan ??

don’t turn on the fool. Ilham Aliyev spoke about the return of Azerbaijanis to Erivan, and not the return of Erivan to Azerbaijan.
And Karabakh is recognized by the territory of Azerbaijan by all countries of the world.

[danan]

Safevi
In the event of a serious operation, one can easily predict victory if one answers the question: What is more likely - a million ashots, Mamers, business patriots, etc. will they take a ticket and fly to protect Karabakh? or another million refugees will fly out of Yerevan?
For me, the answer is clear. Successes.

[garnik]

In the event of a serious operation, one can easily predict victory if one answers the question: What is more likely - a million ashots, Mamers, business patriots, etc. will they take a ticket and fly to protect Karabakh? or another million refugees will fly out of Yerevan?

April 2016 showed the patriotism of Armenians not only local, but also Russian. There were so many volunteers that they already represented a problem with their placement.
You are a troll and most likely not a Jew, otherwise you can recall the contribution of Jews to the collapse of the Russian Empire, and now to what remains of a great country.

[Ramzay121]

Quote: garnik

April 2016 showed the patriotism of Armenians not only local, but also Russian. There were so many volunteers that they already represented a problem with their placement.

April 2016 has so much raised the patriotism of the Armenians that in 2018 in Nakhichevan they fled immediately to 10 km leaving their posts. However you are a storyteller

[garnik]

April 2016 has so much raised the patriotism of the Armenians that in 2018 in Nakhichevan they fled immediately to 10 km leaving their posts. However you are a storyteller

You occupy positions in the territory of the former Nakhichevan Aut. republics and enjoy it? The Armenians left one post that was shot through from your new positions. A year ago, the same progress was made by the Armenians.

[Stavros]

An interesting thing turns out, in topics about Armenians and caves, Jewish citizens drown for caves, citizens of caves are soul and body for Turks, among the Turks the dream is to plunder the Jews, in topics about Israel, not one cottage speaker from the site does not fit for the Jews. A strange friendship, however .

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Stavros

. A strange friendship however.

If you call a spade a spade, then same-sex friendship yakaya? And the question is, what the hell is Izy soaring to you? This tale, you Stavros should not take on! This is an ironic joke Know for yourself!
Sincerely, to you !!!

[garnik]

The lower classes of these peoples despise each other, and the upper circles are forced to be strategic allies. Their goals are common.
And the fact that Erdogan is burrowing in their direction, this is a desire to be a leader in the Muslim world, and so trade in everything and everything between these countries is only increasing.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: danan

In case of major surgery

Quote: danan

The answer is clear to me

Well, if so, everything is clear! Israel’s military industrial complex, it’s hard to even imagine the very loss of such a fatty fatty client in the South Caucasus. + Karl! This is the loss of the ability to buy gas and oil at dumping prices from the Absheron Khanate. That is why all the horror and even insomnia in the military industrial complex, Israel. And you wish success. Not kashirno!

[Safevi]

Data
Thank you, dear. This is mutual! Jews and Turks in Azerbaijan have lived in peace and friendship for centuries. So it was and it will be so!

[Ramzay121]

Quote: danan

In the event of a serious operation, one can easily predict victory if one answers the question: What is more likely - a million ashots, Mamers, business patriots, etc. will they take a ticket and fly to protect Karabakh? or another million refugees will fly out of Yerevan?
For me, the answer is clear. Successes.

Believe them, too, this is clear! Just breaking down

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: sefevi

And why put the word "free" in quotation marks

I’ll conduct a verbal face without you. The fact is that besides you and your kind, who are glorious to the Almighty, a minority among Azerbaijanis. They consider: Aggresia :! Your future expected "liberation" "NKR !!!

Quote: sefevi

its territory recognized by ALL STATES OF THE WORLD?

Substitution of concepts! The fact is that the so-called "recognition" occurred in a package with the Law of the Nations, on self-determination.

Quote: sefevi

And when Hasanov "promised to show at the parade

The crisis manager of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan can promise to show anything at the parade in Baku on the square. At home, in the bedroom. Armenians respect the rights of the Akhresors to show anything to their "admirers" in Azerbaijan.

Quote: sefevi

. I’ve been here for a long time, and still have not met at least a neutral article

You are still young, my young Friend! Everything flows, everything changes.

[Weyland]

Quote: sefevi

What country does not have the right to release its territory, recognized by all the states of the world?

"Recall, at the beginning of the year, President Aliyev stated that Yerevan is the" historical land "of Azerbaijanis, so the republic’s strategic task is to return this city."

And which states of the world recognized the rights of RAz to Yerevan?

[Alex1117]

So what ? For example, with a clear conscience, I can say that Kiev and Chernigov is the historical land of us Russians. Although now no one in the world (and first of all, ourselves) does not recognize the right of the Russian Federation to Kiev and Chernihiv.
But why do you forbid us Russians to remind the whole world that Kiev and Chernihiv are the historical land of the Russians? And we have the right to demand that those who fell into the “Ukrainians” living in Kiev, Chernigov and Ukraine in general should have the right to openly call themselves Russian and speak Russian.

[Bad_santa]

To free? I don’t know on which birch our ancestors were sitting, and on which palm of yours, but at its very dawn the Armenian kingdom was right up from the Caspian Sea to the Mediterranean Sea. so here the question is only in the historical date, when these lands were yours, and when to Armenia

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Vadim237

In terms of obtaining loans.

If so and on, things will go with the Russian Federation, in terms of “finances sing romances.” We will have to the Diaspora, you know how to arrange a second charity marathon for people like you.

[Vadim237]

In the near future, this diaspora will have to send boots for its own to Armenia - in order to dump more quickly to Russia, from the war. Azerbaijan has more and more modern weapons every year.

[genisis]

So they say something from Baku every other day. And now for 25 years almost)

[vkl.47]

Nuuuuu. Morally, and our players are ready to win. The deal is small .... skill)) but hope dies last. Faith is what we have left

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: vkl.47

Nuuuuu. Morally, and our players are ready to win.

Here are the boys, do not dare to touch !!! At this stage, Russian football players are worthy of their Praise and Approvals! Not your sarcasm!

[Ramzay121]

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

Here are the boys, do not dare to touch !!! At this stage, Russian football players are worthy of their Praise and Approvals! Not your sarcasm!

Which shampoo is right for you?

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

While Azerbaijan "is preparing

yes he is ready for a long time

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Armenia will VERY tightly hold on to Russia

hardly....

[siberalt]

Ready, maybe it’s ready, but to defeat a people who defend their land is an almost impossible task. In addition, the Armenian people are born warriors. On the battlefield, one Armenian costs ten Azerbaijanis by strength of mind and motivation. I do not want to offend Azerbaijani men, but the new history of Karabakh is a witness to this. Nobody needs war there, except for greedy political snobs. It’s difficult for Armenians and Azerbaijanis to get along (mixed up), but as neighbors between them they live very normally.

[Zaurbek]

Everything is so ... only Azerbaijani land.

[MPN]

Quote: Zaurbek

Everything is so ... only Azerbaijani land.

Whose air is there? Maybe people on earth live to ask what they want? I’m sure they want them to go further with their lands and ambitions and let people work calmly, give birth and raise children ...

[Spike Javelin Touvich]

And also that there would be an opportunity for a million refugees to return to their native lands who were expelled from their native lands

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Maybe you forgot how you yourself drove the Armenians out of Azerbaijan ?! It was you who started the war, and now you wind the snot on your fist, you have occupied Karabakh. Who occupied the locals?

If the Armenian genocide in Azerbaijan had not been arranged in the late 80s and the war on Nagorno-Karabakh had not reached the war, everything would have been different now, the two countries would have been quietly developing now, and Azerbaijan was larger with Karabakh ...

The more you aggravate this problem, the more harm you do to your country !!! Azerbaijan’s gas and oil reserves are not as large as it seems to you in 20-30 years, and what will happen ?!

The only way out is to come to an agreement ... You recognize Karabakh as the territory of Armenia - the adjacent areas will be given to you the peaceful life and joint development that you recaptured during that war and on, otherwise you will release all the resources for this conflict and as a result will be left with nothing. ..

[Zaurbek]

I lived in Baku at that time .. on the basis of autonomy, they first drove the Azerbaijanis (including from Karabakh), then only when there was a lot of refugees in the industrial city of Sumgait. My dad was sent on a business trip (there was still the USSR) to Stepanokert, and there the movement has already begun.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Zaurbek

My dad was sent on a business trip

To Finland ?! As I understand

[Zaurbek]

... to Stepanakert. Unfortunately.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Spike Javelin Touvich

a million refugees will return to their homelands

You have a "diametrical" proportion of runners increase. From 300 t.to Lemon increased! Looks like a Dear ATGM lover, not of Azerbaijan production + future Sprinters ?!

Quote: Spike Javelin Touvich

were driven out of their native lands

Onon and Kerulen!

[Zaurbek]

Many who want what ...
One way or another solution to the problem:
1. Maintaining the status quo
2. Attack by Azerbaijan and the capture of the NKR (And there, in addition to the NKR, non-Armand areas were captured)
3. Holding a referendum and joining the NKR to Armenia ...

The status of the frozen conflict is hindered by the growing military and economic potential of Azerbaijan (and it will continue to grow) and population growth. And do not forget that Azerbaijan is our ally and partner and client (More profitable than Armenia). And one should not forget about the "velvet" revolutions of Armenia and the factor of Turkey.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Zaurbek

in addition to the NKR, non-Armand areas were captured)

That's right! Where did Arman come from ???

Quote: Zaurbek

And do not forget

That the NKR Defense Army liberated its own! Earth! And God willing, continue the Liberation Mission!

[Zaurbek]

If you look at the Map of Azerbaijan, the NKR is almost in the center ... There are three captured regions that are not NKR.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Zaurbek

Everything is so ... only Azerbaijani land.

It doesn’t happen that they give their land away, and 25 years after the war they said that they were about to “return it”.

And it all starts with the fact that Azerbaijanis as such with this name appeared in Soviet science only in the second half of the 30s. Prior to this (and now often), a confessional ethnonym - Muslims was used as a self-name, and the language was called Muslim. Those. the confessional prevailed over the national, although the final, if any language can be called Muslim, it is only Arabic.

Here is an example of a poster from the beginning of the 20th century of the opera "Leila and Majnun", which states that the opera is given in "Muslim language".

[Zaurbek]

All Transcaucasia appeared with its borders (like Central Asia) thanks to the USSR. And the first thing that they did in NKR after disconnecting was to demolish their own monument to the centenary of the day of resettlement in Nagorno-Karabakh.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Zaurbek

All Transcaucasia appeared with its borders (like Central Asia) thanks to the USSR. And the first thing that they did in NKR after disconnecting was to demolish their own monument to the centenary of the day of resettlement in Nagorno-Karabakh.

oh well already tell these tales. Only in Baku they believe in this crap. No sane person takes such a ridiculous position seriously.

[Zaurbek]

A person differs from a monkey in its development in that it works and reads books .... and yes, 99% of DNA is the same. Say: "Bullshit" is easier than reading sources.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Zaurbek

A person differs from a monkey in its development in that it works and reads books .... and yes, 99% of DNA is the same. Say: "Bullshit" is easier than reading sources.

Here I am about the fact that those who read books in this rubbish do not believe that the Armenians are non-indigenous people in the region. This statement is from the category of a Russian proverb - stop the thief! the thief screams loudest. And those who have the least rights to this are declaring their super-autochthonousness and the alienness of others. Is the hint clear?

[Zaurbek]

In which region? In NKR, it’s indigenous for the last 150 years ... in Turkey - and partly within the borders of the Armenian SSR yes - indigenous. From what year to count?

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Zaurbek

In which region? In NKR, it’s indigenous for the last 150 years ... in Turkey - and partly within the borders of the Armenian SSR yes - indigenous. From what year to count?

So I’m talking about this. No one on earth outside the Baku Academy of Sciences has such data. Further, no one outside the citizens of the Republic of Azerbaijan who are not interested in history and sympathize with this nonsense. That's the thing)))

But I am not surprised at this - in Baku they prefer to study the "legacy of Heydar Aliyev," rather than the real history of the region.

[Seal]

The people called by the historians the “highlanders-turukku” lived in these places long after the appearance of the proto-Armenian tribes here.
Well, historians brought up in the Bible could not simply write: "Highland Turks."

[Butchcassidy]

And there was such a people who lived in Italy heavily before the Romans, it was called the Etruscans. Of course, if you follow your logic, then these were Russians)))

Knowing in detail the history of the penetration of your ancestors from Asia, it would be strange to believe in this nonsense. But Baku and Ankara have their own history, their own academic studies.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Seal

The people called by the historians the “highlanders-turukku” lived in these places long after the appearance of the proto-Armenian tribes here.
Well, historians brought up in the Bible could not simply write: "Highland Turks."

And given the fact that Turukkans lived in the mountains of Zagros near Lake. Urmia in ancient Iran in the Bronze Age, spoke the Hurrian language with a significant Western-Semitic component, then only marginalized people can believe that Turakkins are Turks.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Zaurbek

A person differs from a monkey in its development in that it works and reads books

Here, from this place more Darwinist!

Quote: Zaurbek

and yes, 99% of the DNA is the same.

Maybe you are in Kaif! Such a resemblance. I dare even suggest that you are proud. But here they are trying to impose their "umo-conclusions" Dear Site Audience? Blasphemy! Because? The vast majority, spiritual laity!

[Zaurbek]

Darwinist is bad? Yes, I am a Darwinist. And you, together with the overwhelming majority, endure and read or not read my conclusions. . Our state has long been separated from the church.

[garnik]

Everything is so ... only Azerbaijani land.

Well done so it is necessary to support their co-religionists, without even delving into the history of this region. While our co-religionists are set against each other. In the event of a war between Russia and the Turks, all the peoples of the North Caucasus will take the side of the Turks, except for the Ossetians, I hope you do not belong to this heroic people, although they also have names like your nickname.
Sorry for the hard truth.

[Zaurbek]

The entire northern Caucasus was under the Turkish yoke as well as under the Russian one (Igo until the end of the Caucasian war and eviction) and the peoples of the UK were first pagans, then Christians, and then, when Russia began to expand south, they began to accept Islam. And in the end, up to 5 million Circassians and, partially, Chechenov lives outside their homeland. And I won’t let them go home, even now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ovSoFxYtj8

[RUSS]

Quote: Zaurbek

Everything is so ... only Azerbaijani land.

Until the 20th century, there was no such nation as an Azerbaijani, and the land there belonged to Italians, since the Roman Empire had previously stretched there

[Zaurbek]

And where Armenia is now, Armenia was not before ... and now what ?! Where is Ararat? Armenians historically lived south. There were many of them in the Byzantine Empire, then the Turks drove them to the mountainous regions to the north. In the Caucasus there is such a proverb - a resident, this is an earlier conqueror. Local Armenians - Circasso Gai lived in the North Caucasus, so they generally came not from Armenia, but from the Middle East.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k2NFf0OE6A

[garnik]

The question is, who lived before the Armenians in the lands of Artsakh, Utik, and present-day Armenia?
Armenians (self-designation Hai) descendants of the Hayas. Chersogai forced migrants from the Armenian Highlands.

[Alex1117]

And even earlier there was the Persian Empire. And in 1828 we won this territory not from the "Italians", but from the Persians.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Zaurbek

It's like that.

Truly so!

Quote: Zaurbek

only Azerbaijani land

The earth, like the bowels, everything was created by the Lord God! Everything is from God! And resists the Will of God, There is a Great Sin! And at the moment, the Will of God as the Highest Justice with the Armenians! That's it! So it will be if God's Providence Allows ?!

[Weyland]

Quote: Zaurbek

only Azerbaijani land.

This is if the legitimacy of all the actions of the Bolsheviks is recognized. And if we recall the historical rights ... Armenians have been living in the region for 3000 years, and the Turks - only 1000.
-

[Zaurbek]

The Türks brought this language to many peoples (who now speak Türkic). And the peoples both lived and live. I am not against antiquity ... but there are borders since 1921 - the AzSSR and Arm SSR. That's what we consider from them.

[Ramzay121]

Quote: siberalt

In addition, the Armenian people are born warriors. On the battlefield, one Armenian costs ten Azerbaijanis by strength of mind and motivation.

Since when have shoemakers become warriors? Or you have a different concept of a warrior. And do not be shy what 10 soldiers are standing there, but at least 100 US fur seals. It is clear that not by the criteria of a warrior

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Ramzay121

Since when have shoemakers become warriors? Or you have a different concept of a warrior. And do not be shy what 10 soldiers are standing there, but at least 100 US fur seals. It is clear that not by the criteria of a warrior

Since then, they began, as it was necessary to write out the bream, which was excessively overly impoverished nomads.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Ramzay121

Since when did the shoemakers become warriors

God forbid, you will meet with the Armenian Warrior! Pray to God that you easily got off at 91-94! After meeting with the Shoemakers!

Quote: Ramzay121

, and at least 100 US fur seals

Fine swimming, what seals especially marine from the North American Colonies of Israel. Take Higher! Deniz Pishiglyar (Yes, from the Site Administration! This is not flooding or insulting, this is the name of the special forces of the Navy of Azerbaijan!) What does Sea Cats mean and not some seals from North America !

[Ramzay121]

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

God forbid, you will meet with the Armenian Warrior!

This is with those who fled in April 2016 to Yerevan or with those cat. a month ago they escaped in Nakhichevan? Yes, they were scary, they ran hard and spewed fire

[Tank hard]

Quote: siberalt

One Armenian costs ten Azerbaijanis on the battlefield

Why are there little things .., immediately - a hundred!

[Romka47]

Yes, he surely bent that 1 costs 100, but according to the technique of the Armenian Armed Forces, it is famously inferior to the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, and a draw in terms of effectiveness, it turns out with equal “guns” the Armenians would be stronger ...

[Alex1117]

Before ISIS, no one considered Arabs to be serious warriors. But then everyone recognized that ISIS is a serious adversary and it is necessary to fight with it extremely seriously. The high combat qualities of Hisbollah fighters are also recognized. And respect for the Syrian army in the world has sharply increased.
So, to call someone bad warriors only on the basis that once their opponents were more fortunate, in my opinion is wrong.

[tap]

"Recall, at the beginning of the year, President Aliyev said that Yerevan is the" historical land "of Azerbaijanis, so the strategic task of the republic is to return this city." Judging by the number of Azerbaijanis in Moscow, they will soon be presented to her. Will be declared historic land.

[Butchcassidy]

What are you talking about? For a long time https://azj.rus4all.ru/exclusive/20160512/7266325
86.html

The Moscow Kremlin is the heart and pride of the Russian capital. Starting from the XIII century. The Kremlin was regularly destroyed and rebuilt. The symbol of the revival of the Kremlin construction was the erection of the walls of the white stone Kremlin under the Grand Duke Dmitry Donskoy. According to the information of Azerbaijani historians, the architect of the Moscow Kremlin built in 1367 was Azerbaijani Alis Sübhan oglu Keremli.

[Zaurbek]

Everything in Transcaucasia is part of the Persian Empire first, then the Ottoman Empire, then the Russian Empire, then the USSR. A mistake was made by comrade Lenin, dividing the USSR into republics, and then the leadership of the USSR ruined his country.

[garnik]

Everything in Transcaucasia is part of the Persian Empire first, then the Ottoman Empire, then the Russian Empire, then the USSR. A mistake was made by comrade Lenin, dividing the USSR into republics, and then the leadership of the USSR ruined his country.

In the 4th century, the Persian Empire conquered part of Armenia Utik and Ar.tsakh and annexed it to vassal Caucasian Albania. You will not find anywhere in the sources that someone other than Armenians inhabited these territories in antiquity. The territory of these provinces from the north was bordered by K. Albania along the Kura River before merging with the Araks River.
Yes, it’s unlikely that Lenin made mistakes. Why did Ataturk understand that the division of the state into autonomous regions leads to the collapse of the empire, and "the great
Lenin "slowed down" and gave impetus to the collapse of Russia.

[Zaurbek]

At the end of World War I, the Russian army launched an offensive in the Caucasus and further south, where the Turks carried out the genocide of the Christian population and advanced quite far ... The Communists made peace with the Turks and returned part of the territory. But Armenia and Georgia at the time of entry into Russia were on the verge of extermination, and if not for Russia there would be neither Armenians nor Greek Pontic in that region. Although I was in January to work in Georgia and the guides there broadcast something else ... the most warriors in the Caucasus are Georgians ... and Russia captured them.

[garnik]

.The communists made peace with the Turks and returned part of the territory.

The Komunyaks returned everything to the Turks, even those lands that had diverted Russia from Persia.
The Greeks needed help in the war against the Turks, so that there would be no problems in the future, but the Trotskyists decided in their own way.
To talk about the history of other nations, you need to hear both sides and each will be right in its own way.
You Turkish? Or sympathizing. ARMENIA is capitalized.

[Zaurbek]

Is it spelled with all capital letters?

[Weyland]

Quote: Zaurbek

Everything in Transcaucasia - part of the Persian Empire first

which one? If the Achaemenids, then what do you mean by them? And that in the period between the Achaemenids and the Sassanids there was a Great Armenia - did not hear? By the way, what was the Arab Caliphate between the Sassanids and the Ottomans, and only then did the Seljuk Turks not hear?

[Zaurbek]

When was the last time great Armenia? And how much then mixed and moved the Armenians in the Caucasus?

[Weyland]

Quote: Zaurbek

When was the last time great Armenia?

When was the last time great Azerbaijan? Great Armenia existed, EMNIP, up to 385 g from R, x. But sovereign Azerbadzhan (Atropatena) disappeared for 300 years before! And he was entirely to the south from Arax!

[Zaurbek]

The USSR gave the borders and name to Azerbaijan! This is a known fact. These are the borders we are talking about.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Zaurbek

A mistake was made by comrade Lenin

The one that is Ulyanov-Blank? Tourist from Switzerland in transit via FterLyand?

[Stavros]

Yes, and Tbilisi, as Azerbaijani is already teaching in their schools, I’m not talking about Derbent, this is an ancient Azerbaijani city in their opinion.

[Berkut24]

While Azerbaijan is "getting ready", Armenia will VERY tightly hold on to Russia

But Russia will not help. And it’s not even that the Armenians have become sick with us, their government is pro-American, and Putin said that there will be no more games in his older brother. But the fact is that Armenia is a member of the CSTO, but Nagorno-Karabakh is not. And the position of Russia is now not much different from the position of the United States - Russia is not going to rake other people's conflicts, for both sides will call Russia guilty of everything.
Russia prudently uses foreign conflicts to influence the elites of the conflicting parties. Pashinyan elected, who began to set conditions for Putin? Pay for your choice. In big politics, you have to pay for everything.

[Ramzay121]

Quote: Berkut24

But Russia will not help.

Believe me, how they will understand this, then immediately their warlike talk and tales about the Armenian "warrior" will disappear at the same speed with which they will leave the occupied territories. And on the avatar, instead of two flags, only the US flag will remain

[Berkut24]

It’s time to make it clear to everyone that Russia owes nothing to anyone. There are fraternal peoples, but no friend states exist.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

While Azerbaijan is "getting ready"

24 years old, Karl! They are preparing, another 24 years will be accumulated in places of probable strikes, another 24 years will conduct reconnaissance of the theater of military operations. For another 24 years they will wait for the Int.Interior situation favorable for aggression. And there, either Ishchik will die or the Khan will die. That's it!

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Armenia will be VERY tight

Compress weapons to meet the "guests"!

[Romario_Argo]

if they try, then "by the teeth", with all this, they will still receive from the 102-th military base

[Vadim237]

There, rather, the base will leave for Russia.

[Romario_Argo]

yeah, they’ll "leave" (!!!) - S-300V4 air defense missile systems, 12 MiG-29s ... and also SLCM will not fly from the Caspian Sea, and from Mozdok and Krasnodar not any gifts of the OTR type (48 missiles / salvo), and from Rostov - Su-34 of which there are 36 units ....

[Zaurbek]

Azerbaijan is the same ally and partner as Armenia.

[Vadim237]

Do not worry, Russia will intervene in the conflict if it will be-only through diplomatic means.

[Zaurbek]

The base on the territory of Armenia and NKR has nothing to do. The only thing that threatens our base is not Azerbaijan, but the change of power in Armenia and its re-orientation to the USA ... Then it holds.

[Zaurbek]

As experience and history shows, the "non-Russians" in the leadership did for Russia, almost, more than the Russians themselves ... And the Russians in the 80s-90s in the guide about ... the Empire

[garnik]

As experience and history shows, the "non-Russians" in the leadership did for Russia, almost, more than the Russians themselves ... And the Russians in the 80s-90s in the guide about ... the Empire

If you mean the Russian Emperors, then before becoming the head of the empire they were raised as patriots from childhood and almost all the men in the family were career officers.
I had in mind the coup in 1917 and the collapse of the USSR, and who was at the helm, the environment of the appointed leader and whose money it all turned. And today, little has changed. The collapse of Russia continues.

[Zaurbek]

In the context of the past 150 years - let the collapse of the empire continue. An attempt to revive was made by Comrade Stalin.

[Alex1117]

150 years ago there was no collapse of the Russian Empire. On the contrary, our Empire, moving away from the failures in the Crimean War and abolishing Serfdom, gained new strength and successfully developed.

[NF68]

Quote: Alex1117

150 years ago there was no collapse of the Russian Empire. On the contrary, our Empire, moving away from the failures in the Crimean War and abolishing Serfdom, gained new strength and successfully developed.

If Russia then really successfully developed, then it would not have lost the Russian-Japanese war so mediocre. And then she would not have been involved in WWI for the sake of saving France and the British Empire. Truly, development in the territory of the former Russia began only under Stalin in the 1930's

[Serge Gorely]

A new weapon is good. But a motivated soldier is more important. Armenians are really fighting better. By the way, history confirms - we’ll start listing from the time of RI marshals and generals with Armenian and Azerbaijani roots - the ratio is sooo not in favor of Azerbaijan.

[cost]

Serge Gorely (Serge Gorely) : Armenians are really fighting better. By the way, history confirms - we’ll start listing from the time of RI marshals and generals with Armenian and Azerbaijani roots - the ratio is sooo not in favor of Azerbaijan.

Although if we list the commanders of Alexander the Great with Armenian and Azerbaijani roots - the ratio will be equal

[Serge Gorely]

Come on? And Macedonian was in the know, who are the Azerbaijanis? Maybe he still knew the Ukrainians?

[cost]

He certainly did not know the Ukrainians. And as for the Armenians and Azerbaijanis - read his memoirs:

... I cannot imagine who to leave the kingdom for. Around some thieves and liberals. Of all my commanders, only two are normal - Ashot and Mamed ....
Alexander Filippovich of Macedon "My conquests."

PS the smiley face in the comment means sarcasm. By the way, in the previous koment, he also stands

[Alex1117]

Since nothing has come of your character to our time, you can practice for as long as you like in expressions on the topic of what he “knew” and what “did not know”. But both that and another will be absolutely unproven.

[garnik]

Although if you list the commanders of Alexander the Great with Armenian and Azerbaijani roots - the ratio will be equal to winked

Battle of Gaugamela. The right flag of the Persian army consisted of Armenians.

[tagil]

In the 40's, national units were formed from Georgians, Azerbaijanis, Armenians, and the peoples of the North Caucasus. You do not happen to know why they were disbanded during the Second World War, and half of the Georgian battalion, along with the command, had to be immediately leaned against the wall after the riot (for failure, it would go to the defense of Sevastopol). The order to shoot by the way was given by the NKVD colonel, Georgians by nationality.

[genisis]

89 SD - practically 100% military unit staffed by Armenians. She took part in the liberation of Crimea, later in the storming of Berlin. It was disbanded already after the Second World War. Not the only such part, consisting of Armenians.
The same applies to 416 SDs formed from Azerbaijanis.
As for the Georgian units, I will not say, I do not own the subject.

[tagil]

A. Grinko's manuscript “The Division Was Walking”, compiled on the basis of the memoirs of veterans 160 sd / 89 guards
The manuscript was received from Alexei Tarakashkin, the great-grandson of the warrior 160 sd who went missing in 1941
... The formation of the new division took place with the direct participation of local party and Soviet bodies. The issues of personnel selection, material support of the newly created regiments and individual units were quickly resolved. The backbone of battalions and divisions were residents of Gorky and the region ... Shipbuilders of the Krasnoye Sormovo factory, workers of the automobile giant, river men, people from all enterprises and institutions of the city and from collective farm fields poured into companies and batteries. Among them were many communists and Komsomol members. The region sent its best sons and daughters to the army. People from neighboring regions, including from Moscow, also arrived in the division.

About 416 SD to look for laziness. But all national units were disbanded in the 42 year (if I'm not mistaken). The numbering of parts remained the same.

[genisis]

You are mistaken. 89 diabetes were 1 and 2 formations.
Read at least here
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/89-я_стрелковая_д
iviziya_ (2nd formation)
Here is much more detailed information + documents on the combat route 89 SD
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/warunit/89%20сд/?backurl
=/warunit/?q%3D89%20сд%26page%3D1

[tagil]

I will read it of course, but you must admit that the first composition with the Armenians has nothing and the second composition was also not homogeneous. An example of Panfilov’s division, which was formed in Kazakhstan, was multinational.

89 SD - practically at 100% a military unit equipped with Armenians. She took part in the liberation of Crimea, later in the storming of Berlin.

and here I’ve found something on national divisions and there is about 89 SD. I'm afraid you will not like this report.

Head of the Main Political Directorate of the Red Army

comrade SHCHERBAKOV

dispatch

political department

Northern Group of Forces

Transcaucasian Front

The Northern Group of Forces of the Transcaucasian Front has seven national divisions, two of them Georgian, three Azerbaijani and two Armenian. In addition, in almost every division there is a significant stratum of the Red Army and junior commanders of non-Russian nationality, especially the peoples of the Caucasus and Central Asia. In some formations there are entire battalions, divisions and national squadrons.

The overwhelming majority of fighters and junior commanders of non-Russian nationality do not know the Russian language, and some of them are completely illiterate. More than half of the personnel of non-Russian nationality was drafted into the army 4 - 5 months ago. And many of them have not yet participated in battles, or am participating for the first time ...

... As a result of neglect of educational work with the personnel, poor study and knowledge of people, as a result of the lack of elementary work in combat putting together units and preparing them for participation in battles, the state of most national divisions was poor until recently. In parts of these divisions there were massive cases of desertion, self-mutilation and treason. Two national divisions - 89 Armenian and 223 Azerbaijani - were recognized as not operational by their combat training and the political and moral state of the personnel and were assigned to the second echelon.

The 223 division, having not yet entered the battle and only being on the march to occupy the defense sector, showed its disability. On this march, 168 people defected from the divisions of the division alone and in groups, taking with them weapons and ammunition.

From the very first days of battles, the 89-I division faltered, lost a lot of people, equipment and weapons, and also showed itself unable to carry out at least some serious task. Despite the fact that the division had 10 months for military training, this time was used irrationally ...

A similar situation has now been revealed in the 392-th Georgian division. In this division, in only four days, from the ninth to the thirteenth of October, they changed the Motherland and switched to the side of the enemy 117 Red Army soldiers and commanders ...

Only in the last eight days, from the fifth to the thirteenth of October, 160 people crossed or tried to go over to the enemy’s side, including Georgians 119 and 14 Uzbeks. Of the 85 people who deserted during this time, 30 are Uzbeks. 20 Azerbaijanis, 4 Lezgins, 3 Ossetians, 3 Kabardians and 2 Chechens ...

Head of Political Department

Northern Group of Forces

Transcaucasian Front

brigade commissar

NADORSHIN

October 18 1942 year.

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TsAMO, f. 209, op. 1019, d. 39. LL 3 - 8.

[genisis]

First, you initially argued that there were no national divisions, but provide a document that refutes you.
Secondly, no one claimed that national divisions were always the most-most.
Thirdly, you can ask why 89 SD received the right to be called Taman-Kerch.

[tagil]

First, you initially argued that there were no national divisions

Have you forgotten how to read?

In the 40's, national units were formed from Georgians, Azerbaijanis, Armenians, and the peoples of the North Caucasus.

And finally, at the final stage of the war, there were only a few of your Armenians in this division (after the heroic escape and surrender). And do not tell me about the brave Armenians, Georgians, Azerbaijanis and hell knows about anyone else. This division was originally formed not in Armenia, but that it was replenished by “proud Armenians” so it wasn’t alone, but what happened to it when there were more Armenians there 70% read those reports again from above. And the honorary title "Taman" has nothing in common with these Armenians as well as with Armenia.

[tagil]

I did not say a word that they were not there. And according to your profile picture, I see that you are studying the path of this division. Answer me how many percentages in 1945 in this division were Armenians and other nationalities?

[genisis]

As of May 1945, in the composition of 89 SD of Armenians there were more than 90% of the joint ventures that were part of the division. As for the remaining units, the percentage of Armenians was also high.

[Seal]

But how they praise themselves:

"... The enemy pulled the 73rd and 170th infantry divisions to the front line. Secretly, under cover of fog, the 22nd Panzer Division, which had arrived from the west, took up the starting lines. On March 20, at 7 o'clock, it attacked the left flank of the 51st Army in the general direction, Vladislavovna, Korpech in order to defeat the units of the 390th and 398th divisions that had wedged into the German defense zone, to break through the hastily prepared defense of the advanced units of the 51st Army and open a path to the Kerch Strait. ”Then, bypassing Novo-Mikhailovna with 100 tanks and up to two motorized infantry regiments advanced in an armored avalanche in the offensive.
The 789th rifle regiment of Major M. M. Malkhasyan was the first to take a tank attack. His battalions with rifle-gun fire cut off the infantry from the tanks and brought down powerful anti-tank artillery fire on them. Together with the fighters engaged in combat with tanks, destroying them with grenades and bottles with combustible mixtures, commanders and political workers P. Avalyan, P. Orlov, A. Khanzadyan, G. Oganesyan, led by the regiment commissar F. D. Muratov, secretary of the party bureau A G. Asatryan and the Secretary of the Komsomol Bureau S. B. Khachatryan. The commissar F. D. Muratov died in this battle. He was replaced by S. Sargsyan.
Bloody battles were also fought on the site of 792nd Infantry Regiment of Major L. G. Akopov. "Stop the tanks!" -so was the order of the commander. During the battle, the hottest sections were, as always, the Communists and Komsomol members. The commissar of the regiment V. Grigoryan, the propagandist M. Nalbaydyan, the secretary of the Komsomol organization of the regiment S. Tsaturov fought in the battle formations of the units. They inspired fighters to exploits by personal example.
Tanks and to the company of machine gunners of the enemy broke through to the command post of the division. Sappers, signalmen, soldiers and commanders of all staff divisions under the command of Colonel S. G. Zakiyan and Chief of Staff Major V. I. Shuba entered the battle. The anti-tank artillery and two divisions of rocket launchers sent for reinforcement by the army commander helped to throw the enemy back.
The enemy’s first attack was repelled with heavy casualties. "17 wrecked and burned tanks, hundreds of corpses of soldiers and officers remained on the battlefield."

[Seal]

We look at what the 22nd Panzer Division was.

22nd Panzer Division. Formed in late 1941, on the territory of occupied France. Armed mainly with captured tanks: French and Czech. The last of the German tank divisions, equipped with obsolete Czech light tanks PzKpfw 38 (t). Of the German tanks, the division received only the obsolete Pz-II and several Pz-III and Pz-IV [1]. Equipped with immigrants from southern Germany (Rhine region) and Austria [2].

In March 1942, the division was sent to the Eastern Front, in the Crimea. The division participated in the defeat of the Soviet Crimean Front.

In 1942, the 22nd Panzer Division consisted of:

204th tank regiment
22th Rifle Brigade
129th Rifle Regiment
140th Rifle Regiment
24th Motorcycle Battalion
22th tank reconnaissance battalion
140th Artillery Regiment
140th anti-tank battalion
50th Engineer Battalion
140th battalion of communications.

That is, the actual tank in the 22nd Panzer Division were only the 204th Panzer Regiment and the 22nd Panzer Reconnaissance Battalion.
Moreover, the 204th tank regiment was a double-battalion.
In total, 3 (THREE) German tank battalions equipped with crap outdated and captured tanks were operating on our Kerch Peninsula on the entire front. Moreover, one of the battalions was reconnaissance - that is, it was equipped with light tanks, which we passed in the tankette category.
And the fact that the Germans, as is expected from all textbooks, deployed their troops secretly, under the cover of fog, in the understanding of the author of this paragraph "... Secretly, under the cover of fog, the 22nd Panzer Division, which arrived from the west, took its initial borders .. . "must emphasize all the vileness of the Germans, who did not want to wait until the fog disperses, so as to occupy their positions openly
To emphasize the courage of the 390th National Division, which met with German cunning, such as covert deployment in battle formations

[genisis]

Grandfather, you'd better tell the person how many Armenians there were in the 89th SD in May 1945))

[garnik]

When the name "Guards" was assigned to the military formation, the numbering of the unit changed. Hence, 160 s.d. turned into 89 guards If I am not mistaken.

[genisis]

Absolutely right.
Formed from 160 SD 89 Guards. SD and 89 SD are different military units.

[Alex1117]

If you start listing Jewish bankers, then the account will not be in our favor. So what ?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Romario_Argo

if they try, then "by the teeth", with all this, they will still receive from the 102-th military base

Russia for Karabakh will not be alarmed

[Romario_Argo]

Russia for Karabakh will not be alarmed

your logic does not coincide with the views of our General Staff - "so let's all explode together the fragile world in the" Transcaucasus "
* it’s easier to give in the teeth once, and another 25 years will be peace

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Romario_Argo

your logic does not coincide with the opinions of our General Staff

Give a link or quote from our General Staff, where they say they will stick for Karabakh.

[igorbrsv]

Armenia is a member of the CSTO

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: igorbrsv

Armenia is a member of the CSTO

Karabakh is not part of Armenia

[Tank hard]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Give us a link or quote from our General Staff, where they say they will stick for Karabakh

And what, is this already posted on YouTube and other resources ?!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Tank Hard

And what, is this already posted on YouTube and other resources?

Official statements are laid out, but you probably did not know.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Official statements are laid out, but you probably did not know.

Well, I’m a famous noob, I’m interested in the opinion of the Great!

[Alex1117]

Do you represent our General Staff? By the way, how do you explain that our chief of the General Staff, who is banned from entering the States and a number of Western countries because of sanctions, prefers to hold his meetings with his American counterpart in Baku rather than Yerevan? Perhaps it is precisely because our ministry of defense has its own view of the state of affairs that is different from that of our Foreign Ministry?

[garnik]

Russia for Karabakh will not be alarmed

Do you think Ar.tsakh will get off, no. The war will be full-scale with the involvement of Nakhichevan, which is actually under the control of Turkey.
There is a so-called Goble’s 1992 plan, in which Ar.tsakh merged with Armenia, and in return the Meghrinsky section of Armenia departed to the so-called To Azerbaijan. Those. the Turkic world would have common borders. At that time everyone was confident in their abilities and the parties refuted this plan. Now I think they will try to implement this plan. Which is fatal in the first place for Armenia, Georgia, Iran and of course for Russia itself.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Russia for Karabakh will not be alarmed

All! Read it? And now, Get Get Out.

[Alex1117]

And why are you unprotected here? With American and Armenian flag on ava? Maybe you yourself should go ... to the garden.

[Fatoss]

So Azerbaijan is not fighting against Armenia, but not legitimate armed groups fighting terrorists on its land

[Romario_Argo]

let's see what in Syria, Turkey and the United States will be presented to us in Manbij and the north of Iraq .....
but as an option, our "otvetka" will be in the form of a military base in Karabakh, following the example of Transnistria

[genisis]

Perhaps that is why Aliyev says that the strategic task is to return Yerevan to Azerbaijan? Apparently there is a base of "illegal armed groups")))

[garnik]

So Azerbaijan is not fighting against Armenia, but not legitimate armed groups fighting terrorists on its land

Is it like Turks with Afrin Kurds?

[Romka47]

Of course they will! Russia is already helping only with what we THERE IS, it wouldn’t, would have already climbed.

[svp67]

Baku is ready to strike a match ... Oh, I don’t know, but it’s not good, not good ...

[mgero]

A mojet para uje? Posmotrim kto iz kokogo testa?

[just exp]

What test are you from?
from German? Will you sit in Germany and drag the rest into a warm and safe chair?

[Alexander Romanov]

That’s the problem we’ve found

[Altona]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

While Azerbaijan is "getting ready", Armenia will VERY tightly hold on to Russia

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For some reason, these two “proud” people in NATO exercises coexist perfectly.

[genisis]

In Hungary, at an NATO exercise, an Azerbaijani Ramil Safarov slaughtered an sleeping Armenian officer with an ax. Is this your “get along well”?

[farcop]

Quote: genisis

hacked to sleep with an ax

Which ax?

[genisis]

The most ordinary who could buy at the nearest supermarket

[novel66]

it means that Azerbaijanis are afraid to fight. only sleeping are chopped. let the words speak

[farcop]

Quote: genisis

The most ordinary who could buy at the nearest supermarket

So not a tomahawk? And not ordinary Russian? Which leads us to the conclusion that there would be a desire, and there will be an ax.

[genisis]

What the hell are you talking about?

[Alex1117]

Not at all in the exercises. And in a special school in which they study for a long period. Absolutely ordinary case. There were hundreds of such cases in the armies, including in ours and during the USSR, when some soldier, who was heavily taken out by his colleagues, took an assault rifle and shot offenders. The Armenian army also has such cases. There was one Azerbaijani in that educational institution, and several Armenians. They got it. But the students did not have weapons. But on the fire shields hung hooks and axes.

[genisis]

There were two Armenians, as well as Azerbaijanis. Safarov bought an ax in a store, planning a crime in advance. Alex, before you give out “analytics”, at least read the material.

[Alex1117]

Two. But as follows from the materials posted on the Internet, one Azerbaijani knew English well, was in another group and was planning to build a career through relations with NATO. That is, he did not react to the Armenians.
Well, let the ax be bought. But for the killed, what difference does it make them kill? Especially in a dream? In February 1998, 22-year-old Mkrtich Ohanyan shot an officer and five other colleagues from a machine gun at night. Two more just wounded. What, in addition to the number of victims, is the fundamental difference?

[genisis]

What, in addition to the number of victims, is the fundamental difference?

It seems to me that you are comparing two completely different events.
Hazing is in the armies of different countries. And soldiers, sometimes, kill their colleagues and commanders. This happens in different armies of the world: Armenian, Azerbaijani, Russian.
The fundamental difference in the perception of the incident by society. After the murder of his colleagues, Mkrtich Ohanyan was not considered a hero by the hero, and he did not give the attention of the state.
Safaryan, at home, was released, made into a hero, given a major rank, paid a salary for the entire time of imprisonment.
In my opinion, this fundamentally distinguishes this case from those with which you are comparing.
It was originally in the comments of forum users Altona that

For some reason, these two “proud” people in NATO exercises coexist perfectly.

The case with Safaryan served as proof that this is not so.
What did you want to say?

[Alex1117]

I wanted to say that they get along well in the exercises. The incident occurred during prolonged cohabitation in the same barracks. This long cohabitation does not fall under the concept of exercises, the longest of which last no more than a week. And in this case, no one is safe from anything. And it’s not necessary to reduce everything to hazing. It is full of cases when old colleagues killed their colleagues. You would check if Ohanyan was a new recruit.
If Safaryan was not dismissed from the army, and probably he was just dismissed and was not, then monetary allowance continued to accrue to him by itself. And for those 8 or 9 years, while he was in a Hungarian prison, he just served the term for getting a major. If in Azerbaijan they would like to really exalt it, then the military department of Azerbaijan would count the term of imprisonment at the rate of 1 day in prison = 2 or even 3 days of service. In this case, he would have been given the rank of at least a colonel, or even a general. And he would become a millionaire. And so the military department of Azerbaijan paid Safaryan only the minimum required by law. Both in the payment of monetary allowances, and in the ranks. These laws are approximately the same throughout the world. In Armenia too. It is quite possible that now several Armenians are sitting in Azerbaijani prisons under criminal articles that you have as military personnel, they are accrued monetary allowance and there is a length of service for officials.
I apologize if this is not so. Perhaps you really save and do not charge anything.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Alex1117

I wanted to say that they get along well in the exercises. The incident occurred during prolonged cohabitation in the same barracks. This long cohabitation does not fall under the concept of exercises, the longest of which last no more than a week. And in this case, no one is safe from anything. And it’s not necessary to reduce everything to hazing. It is full of cases when old colleagues killed their colleagues. You would check if Ohanyan was a new recruit.
If Safaryan was not dismissed from the army, and probably he was just dismissed and was not, then monetary allowance continued to accrue to him by itself. And for those 8 or 9 years, while he was in a Hungarian prison, he just served the term for getting a major. If in Azerbaijan they would like to really exalt it, then the military department of Azerbaijan would count the term of imprisonment at the rate of 1 day in prison = 2 or even 3 days of service. In this case, he would have been given the rank of at least a colonel, or even a general. And he would become a millionaire. And so the military department of Azerbaijan paid Safaryan only the minimum required by law. Both in the payment of monetary allowances, and in the ranks. These laws are approximately the same throughout the world. In Armenia too. It is quite possible that now several Armenians are sitting in Azerbaijani prisons under criminal articles that you have as military personnel, they are accrued monetary allowance and there is a length of service for officials.
I apologize if this is not so. Perhaps you really save and do not charge anything.

He is Safarov, why do you call him "Safaryan"?

[Alex1117]

Just a typo. And then what's the difference?

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Alex1117

Just a typo. And then what's the difference?

A very strange multiple typo, despite the fact that Safaryan is an Armenian surname, and in this particular situation such a typo looks very ambiguous.

And now you also write - what's the difference? Are you a provocateur?

[Alex1117]

As they say, who he is, he sees himself in everyone and in everything. From the point of view of discussing a legal fact, the surname does not matter. At least Safaryan, at least Safarov, at least Saforin, at least Safarovich, at least Safaridze.
Here on the forum wherever ... this is the most - some Armenians. So, it is not surprising that after the description of the murder of their co-workers by the Armenian Ohanyan, all further surnames went to “yang”.
Normal people would just laugh at a typo.

[genisis]

I apologize if this is not so. Perhaps you really save and do not charge anything.

I apologize that I did not immediately understand that the procedure for Azerbaijan in the case of Safarov does not surprise you.
I hope that the Russian army will not maintain the monetary allowance and length of service for servicemen who will intentionally kill unarmed people in another country, and will not be acquitted upon returning home, having bought from life imprisonment in another country.
And then Russia will quickly turn into Azerbaijan.

[Alex1117]

What I wrote about the fact that in the prisons of Azerbaijan today there are probably a couple of Armenians convicted of killing unarmed people who continue to be listed as military personnel of the Armenian army, do you not notice in principle? Or do you think that there are none?

[genisis]

Or do you think that there are none?

I believe that to communicate with a person for whom

He is Safarov, why do you call him "Safaryan"?
Just a typo. And then what's the difference?

there is no difference Safarov or Safaryan - a waste of my time.

[Alex1117]

Yes, even Safarovich or Safarin or Safaridze? Is it really a surname? When it comes to the legal aspect, surnames do not play any role. Or is it not so? Or do you play?

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: genisis

redeeming from life imprisonment in another country.

According to reports, in order to "persuade" the Hungarian government to extradite Safarov, Baku bought Hungarian government bonds in the amount of
about 1 billion $.

In preparation for the extradition, Budapest, of course, was assured that Safarov was extradited to serve his sentence, but something tells me that they knew about the plans to pardon Safarov and meet him as a national hero in Budapest. As a result, the breakdown of diplomatic relations with Budapest on the initiative of Yerevan naturally followed.

[Alex1117]

These are all just words. About who allegedly paid someone. Or maybe no one paid anyone. It is more likely that the EU, which was then still interested in the Nabucco gas pipeline, thereby spoiling Russia, put pressure on Budapest. But that is not the point. The bottom line is that the decision to extradite was made on a full legal basis. Upon extradition, as a rule, the condition is set not to review the sentence. But at the same time, everyone always understands that the first person of any country has the right to pardon. What the President of Azerbaijan took advantage of. I do not know at what point the President of Azerbaijan signed a decree on clemency, but he had the full legal right to do so. Moreover, if Hungarian justice handed Safarov to Azerbaijani justice at the Budapest airport, putting Safarov on a plane belonging to Azerbaijan, from then on the President of Azerbaijan had the right to sign a pardon. Yes, perhaps for the Armenians this is morally offensive. But is there really a big difference if Safarov were brought in handcuffs, kept for 2-3 days in prison (in the restroom of the head of the prison), and only for 3-4 days would the President of Azerbaijan sign a pardon. For me there is no difference.
Regarding the severance of relations with Hungary? So what ? Was there mourning in Budapest? Or mass protests?
But, has Armenia still not restored relations with Hungary?

[genisis]

http://safarov.org/prigovor-suda.html
By the verdict, Safarov had the right to petition for pardon after 30 years.
Did they pass? No.
Comparison of Rutsky, as a result of the performance of combat missions, civilians could die and the murder committed by Safarov is not appropriate.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Alex1117

But, has Armenia still not restored relations with Hungary?

As far as I know, no, not restored.

[Alex1117]

And we had such cases. For example, the most famous case with the pilot Rutskoi. Yes, yes, thereby becoming the first vice president of the Russian Federation. He was shot down. And for some time he was in prison. Both Afghan and Pakistani. In his interviews, he repeatedly said that he could not guarantee that peaceful Afghans did not die from his bombs and the bombs of our other pilots. So what ? He was then either bought out or traded. And the money for the entire stay in prisons paid. And they did not offend the rank. And even the Hero was given. Yes, in fact, Rutskoi spent much less time in prisons than Safarov. So what ? The point is not the duration of the seat, but in principle. But in principle, Rutskoi was accused of precisely the killings of civilians and he was not going to release him from prison at all. Moreover, the death penalty was on him.
Perhaps today in the dungeons of the SBU there are our people, accused by the Kiev government of the killings of civilians. Which continues to accrue monetary allowance to the financial services of our Moscow Region or other specialized organizations.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Alex1117

And we had such cases. For example, the most famous case with the pilot Rutskoi. Yes, yes, thereby becoming the first vice president of the Russian Federation. He was shot down. And for some time he was in prison. Both Afghan and Pakistani. In his interviews, he repeatedly said that he could not guarantee that peaceful Afghans did not die from his bombs and the bombs of our other pilots. So what ? He was then either bought out or traded. And the money for the entire stay in prisons paid. And they did not offend the rank. And even the Hero was given. Yes, in fact, Rutskoi spent much less time in prisons than Safarov. So what ? The point is not the duration of the seat, but in principle. But in principle, Rutskoi was accused of precisely the killings of civilians and he was not going to release him from prison at all. Moreover, the death penalty was on him.
Perhaps today in the dungeons of the SBU there are our people, accused by the Kiev government of the killings of civilians. Which continues to accrue monetary allowance to the financial services of our Moscow Region or other specialized organizations.

What does Rutskoi have to do with the patient Ku Ramil Safarov? He didn’t kill a man in the war, but in translator courses as part of the NATO Partnership for Peace program. "Peace," understand? And not a dirty, vile and low nightly murder. Only the sleeping man could have killed this coward, in the afternoon Markaryan could have torn Safarov with his bare hands.

Do not find it indicative that this crime of Safarov in his homeland was accepted as a heroic act, not only by the authorities, but also by society. What do you think it says?

[Alex1117]

And still important. You play in vain with the words "civilians." Your deceased was not a civilian. He had the status of "serviceman of the Armenian army." Or isn’t it?

[Altona]

Quote: genisis

In Hungary, at an NATO exercise, an Azerbaijani Ramil Safarov slaughtered an sleeping Armenian officer with an ax. Is this your “get along peacefully”?

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I know, but they come to the exercises. The political leadership does not voice disagreements; it does not make a demarche. So the case with the ax they channel like a normal household because of personal hostility.

[genisis]

The motive of the “case with an ax” at the court was voiced as revenge for the suffering from occupation by the Armenians of Karabakh and for insulting the national flag of Azerbaijan. There was no talk of any “household problems”.

[sivuch]

In this case, it’s more important how he was met -
In 2006 in Budapest he was sentenced by a Hungarian court to life imprisonment [3].
On August 31, 2012, he was transferred to Azerbaijan for further serving his sentence [3], on the same day he was pardoned by the decree of the President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev [4]. Safarov was greeted in Azerbaijan as a hero, he received an apartment as a present and was promoted to major, with payment of salaries for the eight years he spent in custody. The decision to transfer Ramil Safarov to Azerbaijan led to the severance of diplomatic relations between Armenia and Hungary [3]. Safarov’s liberation and heroization were condemned by numerous representatives of international organizations. Ilham Aliyev rejected these allegations as “unfounded” [5] [6].

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: sivuch

In 2006 in Budapest he was sentenced by a Hungarian court to life imprisonment [3

And then, with the assistance of the Israeli lobby (one of the largest and most powerful in the East, and possibly South Europe.) By injecting, again with the assistance of the above-mentioned community of Israelis, large sums into the "economy" of Hungary! (I almost wrote VNR ). Was happily released.

[akunin]

Erdogan strongly influences Aliyev in this matter, too, if Turkey supports Azerbaijan, but are we ready to support Armenia? The question (is it necessary?) Armenia and Azerbaijan are members of the CSTO and the possibility of maneuver is excluded (one will have to sit on one horse)

[genisis]

When did Azerbaijan become a member of the CSTO?

[akunin]

Azerbaijan signed an agreement on September 24, 1993,

[genisis]

Azerbaijan did not prolong the Treaty on April 2, 1999, as did Georgia and Uzbekistan. Thus, today Azerbaijan is sideways to the CSTO.

[Romka47]

Yes, man, you are well versed in the history of modern2 Russia and the CIS. It is interesting to read your comments +++

[akunin]

Quote: genisis

Azerbaijan did not prolong the Treaty on April 2, 1999, as did Georgia and Uzbekistan. Thus, today Azerbaijan is sideways to the CSTO.

to blame - correct

[Signaller]

The small intestine is a fact. . Do not get anything. Extra victims. Ordinary la-lyashnaya song As if, yes ...

[Altona]

Quote: genisis

The motive of the “case with an ax” at the court was voiced as revenge for the suffering from occupation by the Armenians of Karabakh and for insulting the national flag of Azerbaijan. There was no talk of any “household problems”.

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Statements were made at the trial by a private person; it does not represent the position of Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan did not authorize this officer to chop the sleeping Armenian. So again, the everyday life with "political statements." Of course, this character was supposedly returned to Azerbaijan to "sit out", and he was almost even awarded there, but this is a different story. The point is that neither Aliyev nor Sargsyan say "on the same field my soldiers will not sit down with theirs" at the NATO exercises. Well, if so, then all the rules mean. You can join NATO, but not the CSTO.

[Fatoss]

So, Armenia is often visited at NATO exercises, and the EU donations are not small, and it seems you forgot where one of the largest US embassies is located? remind in ARMENIA!

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Fatoss

So, Armenia is often visited at NATO exercises, and the EU donations are not small, and it seems you forgot where one of the largest US embassies is located? remind in ARMENIA!

But what is the problem? Russia at one time was generally not against joining NATO.

A much bigger problem, from my point of view, is the decline in Russian universities, including military quotas for international students. This niche is gradually occupied by Western universities, and this is not buzzing.

[genisis]

Safarov was promoted, presented with an apartment, paid a salary for all the years that he spent in a Hungarian prison. That is, they were awarded for the assignment of their supreme commander.

[Alex1117]

Once again you write nonsense. If he was pardoned and he was not fired from the service, he was OBLIGED to pay a salary and take into account the length of service. If not paid, then he would have every right to sue, up to the ECHR. And the ECHR would simply oblige Azerbaijan to pay salaries to Safarov. And not such decisions were taken by the ECHR.

[genisis]

Once again you write nonsense.

Once again - you write nonsense.

If he was pardoned

Not if, but he was pardoned by the President of Azerbaijan while still on the plane while flying.
It surprises me - for which it is possible to have mercy on a person who has chopped up another sleeping person with an ax ????
Yes, in Azerbaijan there are more than one thousand of them in prisons.
Why does Ilham Aliyev not have mercy on them?

[Alex1117]

Pardons take place all over the world. Sometimes pardons are received by those in comparison with which Safarov is an angel in the flesh. Whom to pardon is the right of the first persons. I believe that in Armenia over the years of its independence, killers were pardoned. But most killers in Armenia are still serving their sentences. You still have questions for the presidents of Armenia, why didn’t they have mercy on all the Armenian murderers? And why didn’t it arise? After all, there is no difference with Azerbaijan.
If Hungarian justice handed Safarov to Azerbaijani justice at the Budapest airport, putting Safarov on a plane belonging to Azerbaijan, from then on the President of Azerbaijan had the legal right to have mercy on the convicted person.
Alternatively, if not a pardon, then a year later, another Safarova, again without reviewing the sentence, could be released for exemplary behavior. Which is fully consistent with European law. In Europe and the USA, even life-long prisoners have the opportunity to go beyond exemplary behavior after serving more than 10 years. Therefore, Anglo-Saxon law in its arsenal has the ability to condemn the same offender to several life sentences. Safarov was sentenced to only one life sentence. Hungary does not apply the right to give several life sentences.
And the bullshit is yours. Again. If Safarov was not dismissed from the army, he was OBLIGED to pay monetary allowance. This is confirmed by the practice of the ECHR.
And nothing to do with it. These are all your empty speculations.

[genisis]

Once again: Safarov could have filed a pardon after 30 years.
http://safarov.org/prigovor-suda.html
I can’t understand what are you trying to prove to me?
That Aliyev had the right to have mercy on anyone and at any time? This is indisputably his prerogative.
If you try to prove that to pardon and reward the killer of an unarmed person - this is normal, then in vain. It is not normal. Moreover, a lot of people are sitting in Azerbaijani prisons, some of them are military personnel who killed their fellow tribesmen with an ax. For some reason, no one has mercy on them and does not heroize them. Because their victims are not Armenians.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: genisis

Once again: Safarov could have filed a pardon after 30 years.
http://safarov.org/prigovor-suda.html
I can’t understand what are you trying to prove to me?
That Aliyev had the right to have mercy on anyone and at any time? This is indisputably his prerogative.
If you try to prove that to pardon and reward the killer of an unarmed person - this is normal, then in vain. It is not normal. Moreover, a lot of people are sitting in Azerbaijani prisons, some of them are military personnel who killed their fellow tribesmen with an ax. For some reason, no one has mercy on them and does not heroize them. Because their victims are not Armenians.

Because a healthy society cannot understand the pardon of Safarov. Like healthy people.

[Alex1117]

The servicemen of countries fighting among themselves, by the will of third forces, ended up in the same place at the same time together. One of them killed his opponent. A la ger com a la ger. Make a claim to those who foolishly brought together military personnel from warring countries.
By the legal side of the pardon, even your picky colleague already has no questions. So what's the problem ? Or do you think that in the prisons of Azerbaijan there is not a single Armenian soldier accused of killing not even military personnel, but in the murders of real civilians?

[genisis]

Azerbaijan does not fight with Armenia if you did not know. Azerbaijan has a conflict with the Republic of Ar.tsah

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Alex1117

The servicemen of countries fighting among themselves, by the will of third forces, ended up in the same place at the same time together. One of them killed his opponent. A la ger com a la ger. Make a claim to those who foolishly brought together military personnel from warring countries.
By the legal side of the pardon, even your picky colleague already has no questions. So what's the problem ? Or do you think that in the prisons of Azerbaijan there is not a single Armenian soldier accused of killing not even military personnel, but in the murders of real civilians?

No need to tell tales. Margaryan and Safarov didn’t find themselves in the same place by any will of the third countries; they were there by the will of their countries within the framework of the Partnership for Peace program. As a result, a trick from Baku commits a vile vile murder of a sleeping person - what kind of a la hero and a la hero are we talking about?

[Alex1117]

Again. Safarov had the right to apply for a pardon in Hungary after 30 years. On the territory of Azerbaijan, he acquired a new right.
By the way, Hrachya Harutyunyan, who killed 18 unarmed people, including children and more than 20, crippled, being extruded to Armenia after a short time, was also pardoned by the President of Armenia. Moreover, Harutyunyan himself did not apply for a pardon. He just did not mind accepting the pardon.
If you want to say that KAMAZ does not kill as painfully as an ax, I can give the contacts of several relatives of the victims of your killer. Tell them.

[genisis]

The intent to kill is the crucial difference between these events.

... can give contacts ... tell them

What is this kindergarten for?

[Alex1117]

It turns out that for you the fundamental difference is whether the patient sweated before death or did not sweat. And if you sweated, then that's good.
I wonder if (save the Great Spirit Manitou) your wife, children or grandchildren get knocked down by a stoned guest worker in his gouged car for you would be a GREAT consolation that he had no direct intent to kill?
Let us consider another such aspect. There is a de facto state of war between Armenia and Azerbaijan, right? So ! During this war, a soldier in one country killed a soldier in another country. Let not on the battlefield. Nevertheless, they were soldiers of two countries fighting among themselves.
You have no questions to the legal side of the pardon.
So what's the problem ? What do you want to prove by constantly raising this topic?
A la ger com a la ger. Make claims against those who brought the troops of the warring armies among themselves in the same training team.

[genisis]

Intention is the fundamental difference in the Criminal Code, not for me.
Yes, I don’t make any claims to anyone, I don’t see any point in this.
There is no way to return Gurgen, Azerbaijan has found its hero, you have scribbled your comment.
What claims can change?

[Alex1117]

The Penal Code has no children. You most likely have it. Suppose you have an adult son who can at least theoretically serve in the army. Is it a big fundamental difference for you if your child is killed not by a soldier of a country with which your country is at war, but killed by a stoned guest worker in a car with idle brakes?
From all your previous results it follows that if your family and the families of your relatives and friends are killed by a stoned guest worker in a car with idle brakes, then he will be given 2-3 months of imprisonment for each killed person, for a total of 5 or 6 years, and upon extradition the President of Armenia will have mercy on him in Armenia even in the absence of his request for clemency - this is completely normal. And you personally about this incident, about your dead children and the dead children of your relatives and friends, you will soon forget and will not constantly post about this incident on the Internet.
But if your adult son, drafted into the Armenian army, is suddenly killed by a soldier of a country with which the state of war is a blatant case, and the soldier who killed your son, also a soldier, must be executed or receive life imprisonment without the right of pardon. And if he is suddenly pardoned, then you will simply consider yourself obligated to post about this incident on the Internet once a week with corresponding negative comments.
Is that your fundamental choice?

[genisis]

Why are you trying to show that you are dumber than you really are?
The pain of loss is the same for those who lose their loved ones, from which they would not leave this world. Really, if you lose your child from a serious illness, you will be less hurt than if an Azerbaijani soldier sleeping with an ax cuts him down?

[Scipio African]

It’s a bad idea to set fire to the Caucasus, a terrible massacre will begin.
It seems that Yerevan is now a puppet, and the question involuntarily arises - Who sets fire to the wick? - if the puppeteer is alone.
Why is there such a term

The Caucasus is the soft underbelly of Russia,

but there is another option for Iran, with Northern Azerbaijan included in its composition, with a population of several million hostile to Iran, they still remember the brutal suppression of the rebellion by Ayatollah Khomeini, it turns out Uncle Sam pits the vassals by shooting two birds with one stone, creating a zone of destabilization and tension in borders of Russia and Iran

[MPN]

Quote: Scipio African

they still remember the brutal crackdown

Who remembers? Now they don’t know who Ayatollah Khomeini is ... If politicians don’t inflate or need anything, don’t confuse millions with units of ambitious politicians, and even American ones ...

[Fatoss]

No one is planning on fighting with Armenia and Russia, just Azerbaijan will conduct exercises on its territory

[Altona]

Quote: Fatoss

So, Armenia is often visited at NATO exercises, and the EU donations are not small, and it seems you forgot where one of the largest US embassies is located? remind in ARMENIA!

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Why did I forget? I have not forgotten anything. I say that the Armenians and Azerbaijanis in NATO are sitting together at the parade. Do you read what I'm saying, what kind of thought do I hold? USA-msha, it's me and without you I know everything who is there and what is there. And what is Karabakh like? I myself served in Baku. As far as I remember, both Azerbaijanis and Armenians were always given incredible pride for their pride. They’re starting to flood me. What are these. Pita bread and baklava.

[Romka47]

"" What are these. Pita bread and baklava. "" Said well

[Black joe]

25 years of readiness)

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: sefevi

And why was the word “set free” in quotation marks? What country does not have the right to release its territory, recognized by all the states of the world? And when Hasanov "promised to show at the parade on June 26 the Russian missile and artillery complex" Shield "."? I personally have not met such words, although I closely follow the subject, of course. Typically pro-Armenian article, which is usually for this site. I have been here for a long time, and still have not met at least a neutral article.

There is a land of its own, and the "territory" of those who do not have this land as their homeland, who are not ready to fight for it to the last drop of blood, as the Armenians who have been living continuously in the Artsakh since time immemorial have done and will always do it. .
The ancient name of Nagorno-Karabakh - Arts.ah - is one of the provinces of Greater Armenia (190 BC - 428 AD), which the ancient Greeks called Orkhisten.

[Spike Javelin Touvich]

A dreamer, however, but how did the ancient Greeks call Stavrokert and Krasnadarokert a sushi, ie, Sochi?

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Spikes Javelin Touvich

A dreamer, however, but how did the ancient Greeks call Stavrokert and Krasnadarokert a sushi, ie, Sochi?

Well no. This is an opinion that is universally recognized in historical science. You can quite read about it in authoritative encyclopedias - Iranik and Britannic.

[Stavros]

Recently, a map of Greater Armenia was printed in high school history books in high school, books were collected in a hurry, there was a strong frenzy about this, the kavtatar media wrote about this. Psychologists worked with unhappy students, poor children were shocked, they have been telling them all day that there was no Armenia, and this is all cautarian and suddenly such embarrassment.

[HMR333]

and ask why the heck to make such statements? ?!

[Seal]

Quote: MPN

Whose air is there?

And in Kosovo, then, according to your version, Albanian?

[vomag]

If you look soberly, what is Azerbaijan? what kind of state is it? when did it exist? maps .. dates .. borders .. in history it is expressed no way! it's a phantom like sumeria-ukraine ...

[donavi49]

Well, you can say about the United States - and they won out to everyone how to live.

In fact, Azerbaijan has money, there is a warm connection with the Sultan, there are advanced Russian, Chinese and Turkish equipment.

Armenia has a piece of not the most advanced equipment requested as a gift / debt and the hope is that if it starts, the Ivanes will decide for themselves.

[Romka47]

And we Ivana will come and decide whether we / they / you / like it or not, always came and will come now. Here they say "Russia will not help now, only if diplomatically" Russia hasn’t officially come to the Donbass, but the Donbass is holding on to Ivanes, and it won’t go there, but Ivana will go !!

[Seal]

And we Ivana will come and decide

As I understand it, the ashes of our guys not avenged: the lieutenant Alexander Shapovalov, sergeants Yevgeny Poddubnyak, Oleg Yudintsev, privates Mikhail Karpov and Nikolai Maslennikov do not burn your heart?
Is it nothing for you that the Armenians for over 25 years have refused to apologize for the shooting of our guys?

[Sands Careers General]

They are ethnic Turks. Pseudo-state, in contrast to ancient Christian Armenia.

[ZVS]

Azerbaijan is ready to throw its children into the crucible of war so that only ash remains from them.

[Vadim237]

You don’t have to throw it already, the production of shock drones has been launched in Azerbaijan.

[garnik]

Azerbaijan is ready to throw its children into the crucible of war so that only ash remains from them.

Talysh, Lezghins and Avars will go forward. Like 90, when they were all equally divided, although there are many more Azerbaijanis than autochthons.

[XXXIII]

Baku declares readiness to “liberate” Karabakh

In front of, we wait, we hope, we expect, the main thing is not to be timid before actions, otherwise words are words ....
Well, who will win over whom, whose tool (weapon) is stronger .....

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Looks like the Americans again let the ants into the shorts of the Minister of Defense of Azerbaijan. Look how everything combed right away. Of course, he cannot be compared with the number of ants and cockroaches in his head that run around Aliyev. He already set out to “return” Yerevan.
So the caliphate begins to draw from sea to sea ...

[Naughty]

Quote: sefevi

What country does not have the right to release its territory, recognized by all the states of the world?

So free ..... why pull that?
And then in the world no one cares about your graters with Armenia, you simply do not know anyone in the world, except that the bribe takers who carry caviar and money spawn Pay for a type of positive image)))))

[Romka47]

I won’t read further comments. You said that you summed up the outcome of the whole discussion and put a point

[Humpty]

Quote: Nikolai Fedorov

again, the Americans let the ants into the shorts of the Minister of Defense of Azerbaijan. Look how everything combed right away.

It took root a long time ago, so it’s not ants.

Quote: Nikolai Fedorov

the caliphate begins to draw from sea to sea ...

The caliphate is not at the box office. Dream of a great Turan. Armenia is a big obstacle. From that, the Azyrbay statements of Azerbaijani leaders say that it’s mine and it’s mine too.

[Stavros]

Quote: Fatoss

So, Armenia is often visited at NATO exercises, and the EU donations are not small, and it seems you forgot where one of the largest US embassies is located? remind in ARMENIA!

And what prevents Russia from having the largest embassy in Armenia too?

[Romka47]

The foreign ministry’s performance does not depend on the size of the building

[Alex1117]

Apparently the effectiveness of the work of the Foreign Ministry depends on who is at the head of the Foreign Ministry? That is something our MO in the past 10 years has constantly had to correct the mistakes of our Foreign Ministry.

[Bypassed]

If this helps the Republic of Belarus to close a hole in the milk in the Russian Federation, then let them fight. Like rockets - you can buy more.

[Lekxnumx]

Ohh how do I see all the trolls woke up in this thread? Let's start on the points.
“Armenians are warriors, but there is no az-tsi” But in fact, the official figures of the losses of both sides during the trench war show who the war is and who is not! The liberation of land in April and recently in Nakhichevan, you know what the guys from the trenches say to you? If they do not give an order for the offensive, we will free them meter by meter. By the way, the road accident season with the participation of military personnel has begun in Armenia, according to this indicator, the Armenian army is in the first place in the world. So they hide losses, but even with these hides they officially lose more.
With a smile from our guys)) DETEPE? Let it be death))
Safarov’s Armenians like to remember, at the domestic level because of insults Gurgen sent him to another world. The government proved that he didn’t leave his people and called him out of prison. By the way, the Armenians do not like to remember Mubariz Ibragimov who alone attacked the Armenian post, and killed according to an officially recognized versions of the five Armenians and how many were wounded there. Officer Farid, having learned that he went on the offensive, followed him, for his fighter on the offensive. Also alone, these guys in our army both died but in battle with valor, knowingly knew what was going on to death. And not thieves of soldiers' carcasses as a general hero of Armenians.

Zakir Hasanov, a military man, did not say anything superfluous. As befits a military man, politicians said let them go about their business and do their own thing, preparing for war.

[genisis]

Here is a fellow countryman perfectly tells about Azerbaijani "heroes"
https://ru.oxu.az/society/21336
The country that lost the war to the Karabakh Armenians, has lost 14% of its territory 213 !!! national heroes. Aren't you ashamed of yourself?
For comparison, the Armenians who won this war have 7 !!!! heroes.
Why didn’t you mention your main "hero" Ibadushka Huseynov ???
In Azerbaijan, films were made about him, his portraits were hung in his houses, as an example for the younger generation. And only after so many years, finally decided that he was an ordinary liar.
And the “Rambo” of yours, Mubariz, was shot down by a simple Armenian conscript guy.

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: genisis

The country that lost the war to the Karabakh Armenians, has lost 14% of its territory 213 !!! national heroes. Aren't you ashamed of yourself?

Did the Soviet Union lose land until half of the war? Or did they appear only when the Soviet soldier’s foot entered Germany? Purely Armenian logic works like an Armenian radio))) I opened Wikipedia, looked at the total number of national heroes and issued everything that was declared heroes during Karabakh war. As in Armenian, many of them received later

Quote: genisis

For comparison, the Armenians who won this war have 7 !!!! heroes.

It’s not surprising to chase rural people whose shepherds were given weapons and expel the civilian population does not require much heroism. One of which steals stews? Then six

Quote: genisis

Why didn’t you mention your main "hero" Ibadushka Huseynov ???

Ibad cut off the head of your terrorist or not, as the scout did not a little. He was not interested in his fate

Quote: genisis

And the “Rambo” of yours, Mubariz, was shot down by a simple Armenian conscript guy.

Rambo? His eyes are big with fear)) He was a simple guy who went in for sports and served in the Internal Troops and then as a contract soldier. Before that, he did not frail the officer as well, if my memory serves me right.

[genisis]

Lek. I understand perfectly well that you are ashamed of your “fighting” fellow tribesmen, but you yourself chose to sail with them in the same boat.
Therefore, boast now of imaginary heroes, having lost the war.
If you did not know, then the Soviet Union in its war came out victorious, in contrast to the “heroic” Azerbaijan.
As long as your heroes are Safarovs, Huseynovs and others ...., you will always be beaten on the battlefield.

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: genisis

Lek. I understand perfectly well that you are ashamed of your “fighting” fellow tribesmen, but you yourself chose to sail with them in the same boat.

I am ashamed that I am wasting my time with you. I do not suffer from herd instinct, I am not proud of the exploits of others. I just bring to the attention of some nuances.

Quote: genisis

Therefore, boast now of imaginary heroes, having lost the war.

Lost and what? Well, they lost like the Armenians lost in their history or not?
I see Armenia as a world-wide empire with a territory smaller than the Autonomous Jewish Region of Russia.

Quote: genisis

If you did not know, then the Soviet Union in its war came out victorious, in contrast to the “heroic” Azerbaijan.

He won, among other things, thanks to Az-well, whose fuel drove tanks and aircraft flew 70-80% and thanks to 600 Az-SSR.

Quote: genisis

As long as your heroes are Safarovs, Huseynovs and others ...., you will always be beaten on the battlefield.

Have you signed up for the role of Vanga? I don’t believe and don’t predict, time will tell what will happen. I don’t like big words, I feel like I’m going to have fun inside in case of war. And it will not be thanks to politicians, but in spite of it, but it will be.

[Stavros]

Maladez Mubariz is a real Cavarian hero, write to us about the feat of another hero who raped the entire platoon including the officer.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Stavros

about the feat of another hero who raped the entire platoon including the officer.

Or maybe it's the most found. Coincidence as well as satisfaction of your needs on this segment of the Evolution of the Azerbaijani Asker unit!

[Stavros]

Quote: Ramzay121

Since when have shoemakers become warriors?

Well, if shoemakers during the war planted you in the tail and mane, then who are you?

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Stavros

Well, if shoemakers during the war planted you in the tail and mane, then who are you?

Happy, apprentice!

[Ramzay121]

Quote: Stavros

Well, if shoemakers during the war planted you in the tail and mane, then who are you?

We plant someone whom we see well.

[Stavros]

Quote: Lek38

I don’t have capital, I am on a dry salary,

Unfortunate Lek, he’s tearing himself up for a quartar, and you don’t have any bonuses, absolutely nothing but a dry salary. And you are going to die for them.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Stavros

And you were going to die for them.)

Maybe reincarnation?

[tekinoral]

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

24 years old, Karl! They are preparing, another 24 years will be accumulated in places of probable strikes, another 24 years will conduct reconnaissance of the theater of military operations. For another 24 years they will wait for the Int.Interior situation favorable for aggression. And there, either Ishchik will die or the Khan will die. That's it!

And how many Armenians will live in Armenia after 24 years, have you also counted? You are destroying yourself!

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: tekinoral

tekinoral

Salam, brother! Without you, the Countryman is not a joy to day, Matag. Woncess Istanbul? Love? Brother Dzhan, pliz look there for me on the north bank of Konstatin for hectares 20. When will we release God grant, Amen! I’ll attach you as my manager. And do not be fooled! I AM! With you.

[tekinoral]

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

.When we will release

Something you decide for a long time, come already. And it will be visible who will have a manager! But you will consider I am an employer and not a minister, so you are not lucky

[Seal]

Quote: garnik

The artsakhs were not conquered, but transferred by the Bolsheviks as well as Nakhichevan.

Yes, already tired of their mantras about the evil Bolsheviks who allegedly offended Armenia.
Firstly, they didn’t.
And secondly, even if they conveyed it, then it means so be it.
The Bolsheviks of Lithuania transferred to Lithuania, so what? Can Poland, on this basis, demand a return to Vilnius?

[Ramzay121]

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

Or maybe we’ll stop at Cucumber Lenkoransky for you ?!

However, you remember Lankaran cucumber well)

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Quote: garnik

Sorry for the hard truth.

Do not apologize for blatant lie. In all the Russo-Turkish wars, the peoples of the Russian Empire of Muslim religion, who served in our army, honestly performed their military duty. There were no defectors.
It is you and your compatriots, who are fulfilling the West’s mission, trying to drive a wedge into the unity of the peoples of Russia, having the audacity to divide us according to religious preferences.
Nothing will come of you, Mr. provocateur.
On the mountain to you, our Russian army is one third composed of representatives of the peoples belonging to the "Muslim" peoples.
Yunus-Bek Yevkurov commanded a battalion of paratroopers who took an airfield in Pristina. Although the Albanians are predominantly Muslim.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Seal

Yunus-Bek Yevkurov commanded a battalion of paratroopers,

Report, Dear Forumites to the Hero of Russia. Azerbaijanis, from the US maritime special forces, want to "privatize" the merits of the Warrior.

[Seal]

The name of our country is Russia, not "Rossi". This time.
And secondly, with your national disease, you would write down all those who disagree with Armenian fantasies as Azerbaijanis or Turks .. you probably know where to go?
And thirdly, you can consider me at least a black man, but Hero of Russia Yunus-Bek Yevkurov from this will not become a Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant or Buddhist.

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Quote: vomag

If you look soberly, what is Azerbaijan? what kind of state is it? when did it exist? maps .. dates .. borders .. in history it is expressed no way! it's a phantom like sumeria-ukraine ...

If you look even more soberly, then if you replace the expression “Azerbaijan” with the expression “Armenia”, nothing will change.
Let me remind you that the oldest map that has survived to the present in the original is the Catalan Atlas dating from 1375. AD, of course. If you find Armenia on it, you can take a pie from the shelf

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Quote: genisis

She took part in the liberation of Crimea, later in the storming of Berlin.

As I have already noted, I took a very interesting part.
April 20 began the assault on Berlin. And the entire 89 SD reflects the attacks of a whole German battalion with 10 or 12 tanks.
The 21st of April. The troops of the front and 33 armies break through the German defenses, and 38 SC defends the previous line during the day.
April 22nd. In 38 SK, only 64 SD advanced and captured fl. Pagram. The position of the remaining body connections is unchanged. That is, 89 SD and did not go on the attack on April 22.
April 23rd. Finally, 38 SK went on the offensive. But 89 SD is the second echelon of the corps. I didn’t attack.
On April 24, the 38th Corps withdrawn from the battle on April 25 is not mentioned at all.
April 26, 38 SK - reserve front
April 27, 38 SK - reserve front
On April 28, the reserve of the front from 24 00 28.04 transferred to the operational subordination of the commander of 3 UA
On April 29, 38 SK during the night made the transition to the Pankov area and, by the end of the day, fired. That is, I did not go into attacks.
April 30 - fought a little
On May 1, 38 SK did not advance anywhere during the day and, by the end of the day, was fighting at the same line.
On May 2, the 38th SK part of the forces of the 52nd Guards SD led the battle with small enemy infantry groups. The remaining parts of 38 ck apparently did not fight.

[genisis]

seal is ready to dunk everyone again, if only to denigrate the Armenians. And the commander of 38 SK - Tereshkova, and the commander of 64 SD, which, according to the grandfather of the seal, as part of 38 SK in the storming of Berlin did not conduct combat operations. Now there’s a fairy tale about 1455 SAP and Mark Berenfeld, who also "shot somewhere from somewhere."
In general, everything is in .no, and seal is all in white)))

[Seal]

We read the Notes of the great Armenian traveler and writer of the beginning of the 17th century Simeon Lehatsi.
.... “From there we arrived on the island of Zanta, and from there on the large island of Zatra, which we were told that there are 365 villages. Due to the wind blowing towards us, we stayed there for 12 days. There was a large stone church like St. Sophia. They say that when St. Elena returned with the holy tree of the Cross, because of riots and unrest, she landed with the army here and ordered a certain master to build this church, and then her son Konstantin built [the church] in Istanbul. All these islands belonged to Venice, but the Greeks lived [here]. If you count all the islands, from Venice to Istanbul and from there to Trapison, the Greeks everywhere [live]; in the same way, in all coastal places on both coasts of the White (i.e., Mediterranean) and Black Seas, only Greeks live. However, the Greeks of those places were very evil and unrighteous and the worst enemies of the Armenians. At the sight of us, they spat and shouted: “ishkil,” which means “dog” and “heretic,” and if someone [from the Armenians] ate or drank from their dishes, they immediately broke it, even if it was expensive.
And this is not surprising, for the Greeks are the original enemies of the Armenians. [i] [/ i] Whoever wants, let him read the book of Mikhail, the historian Tovma and others, to find out how much evil they have brought down on the heads of our ancestors, how they destroyed the Armenian kingdom, and so on to Ovan Oznetsi, who went to the powerful king of Persia Omaru and with the help of his emirs, at his command, expelled all Greeks, evicting them to the Black Sea and all coastal [places]. And then our holy patriarch Sahak went to Mehmet and entrusted us with him, freeing the Armenians from the treacherous and treacherous tribe of the Greeks, our ancient enemies. I also read with our historians that during the entire period of Greek rule, not a single Armenian entered Istanbul and didn’t even settle there, but they didn’t even let merchants go. But when the Turks took Istanbul, then they brought invitations and persuasions from many regions of the Armenians, just as [it was] in Poland and other places. In the same way, the Turks took the large and magnificent churches from the Greeks and handed them over to the Armenians. Thank God! I don’t know how we deserved that, with the exception of the Greeks, all nations, both believers and unbelievers, love us, although our people do not have unanimity and [the Armenians] do not love each other, which even became known. ”

Next is my comment.
But this is already quite interesting. It turns out that after the capture of Istanbul by the Turks, they (the Turks) took away the large and magnificent churches from the Greeks and handed over to the Armenians. And in the days of the Greeks, Armenians in general were not allowed to Istanbul (Constantinople).

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Quote: garnik

There were so many volunteers that they already presented a problem with their placement.

And, which is characteristic, is that most of the volunteers arrived after the end of hostilities.
Although ... hmm, the number of flights to Yerevan at that time did not increase by any flight.

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Quote: genisis

just like Georgia and Uzbekistan. Thus, today Azerbaijan is sideways to the CSTO.

Legally, all of these countries are not prevented from signing a prolongation even now. Re-entry procedure is not required. This is the fundamental difference between Georgia, Uzbekistan and Azerbaijan from all other countries that have never been CSTO members.

[genisis]

Legally, all these countries do not interfere, even now to sign a prolongation

I think you will leave this mortal world before the Georgians re-sign the Collective Security Treaty with Russia.
Just like your beloved Azerbaijan.

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Quote: genisis

89 SD received the right to be called Taman-Kerch.

What, already, and Kerch too?
Or maybe Berlin?

[genisis]

Just Taman.
For the liberation of Kerch was awarded the Order of the Red Star.

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Quote: Zaurbek

And Armenia and Georgia at the time of entry into Russia were on the verge of extermination

Nonsense. Armenia and Georgia could not stand on anything, because at the time of entry into our Empire of the lands where Georgia and Armenia are now located, there were no "Georgians" or "Armenians".
But Georgians and Armenians generally neither in Turkey nor in Persia at that time particularly offended.
And it’s nothing that in the Brest Peace we have given away millions of square kilometers of our historical territory on which tens of millions of people lived. Well, it goes without saying that part of the formerly Russian Empire of eastern Turkey.

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Quote: Mountain Shooter

While Azerbaijan is "getting ready", Armenia will VERY tightly hold on to Russia

By yourself. In fact, the Armenians, speaking of friendship with us, always focused on the United States. After the First World War, the Armenian delegation went wild at the Paris Peace Conference to become the territory under the mandate of the United States. President Wilson himself promised the Armenians that it would be so. But at that time, the US Congress did not yet have the most powerful Armenian lobby. And the US Congress did not support its president, refusing to take Armenia under mandatory management.
But by the time of the collapse of the USSR, the Armenian lobby in the US Congress was already the second most influential, after the Israeli one. Let me remind you that from 1,5 to 2,5 million Armenians live in the United States. And there are no poor among them. The Armenian lobby in the US Congress is the second most influential after the Israeli one.
After the collapse of the USSR, the Armenian lobby in the US Congress immediately and very harshly put before the US Presidential Administration the question of the need to protect Armenia !!!
And here the US Presidential Administration began scratching turnips. It is impossible to ignore the request of the Armenian lobby - it is very influential and is needed to resolve many other issues important to the US Presidential Administration. On the other hand, it is necessary to ensure the protection of Armenia in such a way so as not to cause irritation of the old NATO member - Turkey, with which the United States then had love and full mutual understanding. And we still have not to offend a new friend - Yeltsin's Russia, where then the best friend of the USA - Andrei Kozyrev was in charge of foreign affairs.
It would seem that the simplest thing is to accept Armenia into NATO. But this will just outrage Turkey and Russia. Moreover, it contradicts the NATO Charter, since states that have territorial disputes with neighbors cannot be accepted into NATO. And Armenia is not something that has a territorial dispute - it generally occupied part of a neighboring country (Azerbaijan) and openly claims to part of the territory of a NATO member - Turkey.
You can place a US military base in Armenia. But this step will cause exactly the same reaction. And how to explain to American taxpayers why the US needs a base also in Armenia, when there are already bases in neighboring Turkey?
And then the United States made a deft Jesuit move. They recommended the Armenians ask for a base .... in Russia. And the Armenians, who had recently spit in our direction to such an extent that they banned the holding of a referendum on the preservation of the USSR on the territory of Armenia, quickly changed their shoes and began to sing songs about the great friendship of the Armenian people to the great Russian people. And Kozyrev presented this matter to EBN in such a way that we supposedly could launch a hedgehog in the US pants and that the USA supposedly could not do anything to us. Of course, this proposal led EBN to delight. As a result, Kozyrev received another order, and Armenia received our base.
And the USA joyfully rubbed their hands. Since this decision alone immediately killed a lot of rabbits.
- Ensured the security of Armenia without quarreling with Turkey;
- Saved money;
- They laid a mine under Russian-Turkish and Russian-Azerbaijani relations for decades to come.
Now this unfortunate base, which is absolutely unnecessary for us to protect Russia proper, has a huge knotty log lying in the way of establishing relations between Russia and Turkey. Armenia’s membership in the CSTO, by the way, is also.
That is, our base in Armenia is not only with the permission of the United States, but, in fact, on the instructions of the United States.
Let me remind you that Armenia has territorial claims against Turkey, and does not hide it. And since we keep our base in Armenia, and even on the border with Turkey, it means that we, too, seem to support Armenia in its territorial claims.
The best thing for us is to withdraw our base from Armenia soon and ... let anyone there arrange their bases - even the United States, even China, even India, even Ethiopia.
Only having withdrawn the base from the territory of Armenia, we will finally get the opportunity to establish honest (without a stone in the bosom) comprehensive relations with Turkey (and Azerbaijan), which even each individually is much more valuable to us than Armenia, and even more so.
But the United States, for which the alliance of Russia and Turkey (and Azerbaijan), to which Iran will join is the worst horror, will make every effort to prevent the Armenians from allowing such an alliance.
Therefore, it makes no difference to us who will stand at the helm of Armenia. Whoever gets up - all the same, he will be guided by the USA and follow the instructions of the State Department. At the same time, he was banging his fist on his chest for how great a friend he was of Russia.

[genisis]

Enough copy and paste your pseudo-analytical calculation about 102 Russian Base in Armenia.
I understand that you, like any graphomaniac, are bursting with pride in the number of letters you typed, but let the forum users already take a break from this nonsense))))

Only having withdrawn the base from the territory of Armenia, we will finally get the opportunity to establish honest (without a stone in the bosom) comprehensive relations with Turkey (and Azerbaijan), which even each individually is much more valuable to us than Armenia, and even more so.

Frankly, grandfather, you still smoke something)))))

[NF68]

Quote: Seal

Now this unfortunate base, which is absolutely unnecessary for us to protect Russia proper, has a huge knotty log lying in the way of establishing relations between Russia and Turkey. Armenia’s membership in the CSTO, by the way, is also.
That is, our base in Armenia is not only with the permission of the United States, but, in fact, on the instructions of the United States.

Your grass is strong. Have you been drinking for a long time?

[NF68]

It would be better for the Azerbaijanis to sit quietly and not look for adventure.

[Stavros]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

If you’re so stupid that you can’t even read a history book for grade 6, I’m sorry for you.

Do not pay attention to the ignoramus, they have their own story, that the national leader will tell them a story for them, said that the Kremlin was built, they believe it, America was also discovered thanks to the cavalryman, their brother Erdoогan also said that they had been on the moon three hundred years ago landed, and even believe in it.

[Stavros]

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

Quote: Stavros
about the feat of another hero who raped the entire platoon including the officer.
Or maybe it's the most found. Coincidence as well as satisfaction of your needs on this segment of the Evolution of the Azerbaijani Asker unit

It’s necessary to justify the rape in the valiant Cavatar army with good nutrition, that’s because of good nutrition, the soldiers rape each other, and the Armenian army does not rape because they don’t feed the soldiers. )

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Stavros

It is believed that all of our cathartic marshals from the site served in this platoon.

Oh do not bring the Lord.! And then, if they begin to molest how ?! Then sho waking up?

[danan]

Quote: garnik

April 2016 showed the patriotism of Armenians not only local, but also Russian. There were so many volunteers that they already represented a problem with their placement.

April 2016 clearly showed which front you successfully fought on - the TV show kept growing with its presenters and “political scientists” explaining to the Russians how to understand the latest events. And they chose a poorly speaking Russian friend as an opponent, they interrupted the cat all the time without giving finish your thought. In Baku itself, thousands of Azerbaijanis could be found who speak Russian better than the leaders, if they had a desire.
And about the revolution: it is worthless for the Armenians to hide behind the backs of the Jews. Your representatives in it
no less participated, and if your Jews were idealists showed miracles of adaptability - "from Ilyich to Ilyich without a heart attack and paralysis"

[mariusdeyeraleone]

RџSЂRё

[mariusdeyeraleone]

Journalists need to write an article on the topic
Trollism of gypsy camp, in social networks and the Internet.
I am sure the bombing is no worse than the news about September 11)))

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Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Listen here, Sir-Gay Perdovich, I don’t have to give you anything. I don’t give you a tsipla on zirlah, look for your patience elsewhere.
If you’re so stupid that you can’t even read a history book for grade 6, I’m sorry for you.

The typical answer of all those who, having read a history book for the 6th grade, decided that he knew the story.
Baby, I’ll tell you a terrible secret for you. School history books, especially Ancient History, and real Ancient History are two big differences.
Well, and the fact that you can’t imagine anything and therefore go into the field of rudeness - this is also not surprising. In principle, all the ignoramuses who have not risen above 6th grade in their development, but who consider themselves to be “stars,” and all the rest as cattle, usually do so.
But when they are poked with their nose, they begin to freak out, and since they really cannot imagine anything, they switch to insults and tram rudeness.
PS Yes, those who use the term "I'm sorry for you" are well written in Lurkmore

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Quote: genisis

Now there’s a fairy tale

When there is nothing to answer, but I really want to, professional cheaters resort to such a long-known reception. They ascribe their thoughts to their opponent, announcing that they are allegedly expressed by the opponent, and then they themselves either laugh or refute their thoughts. Well, they have such a training manual. As well as the fact that an uncomfortable opponent must be declared an Azerbaijani or a Turk.
However, nothing prevents me from laying out again documents.



April 20 began the assault on Berlin. And the entire 89 SD reflects the attacks of a whole German battalion with 10 or 12 tanks.

The 21st of April. The troops of the front and 33 armies break through the German defenses, but 38 SK defends the previous line during the day

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April 22nd. In 38 SK, only 64 SD advanced and captured fl. Pagram. The position of the remaining body connections is unchanged. That is, 89 SD and did not go on the attack on April 22.

April 23rd. Finally, 38 SK went on the offensive. But 89 SD is the second echelon of the corps. I didn’t attack.

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April 24, the 38th corps was withdrawn from the battle


On April 25, Building 38 was not mentioned at all in the 1st BF report. Apparently, this far removed from the battle ...
April 26, 38 SK - reserve front

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April 27, 38 SK - reserve front

On April 28, the reserve of the front from 24 00 28.04 transferred to the operational subordination of the commander of 3 UA

[Seal]

On April 29, 38 SK during the night made the transition to the Pankov area and, by the end of the day, fired. That is, the attack did not go

April 30 - fought a little

[Seal]

On May 1, 38 SK did not advance anywhere during the day and, by the end of the day, fought at the same line

On May 2, the 38th SK part of the forces of the 52nd Guards SD led the battle with small enemy infantry groups. The rest of the 38 ck apparently did not fight

Well, that's all the participation of the 89th SD in the assault on Berlin !!!!

[genisis]

Grandpa, you have sclerosis. ))))
You forgot that there are magazines of military operations of the divisions themselves, which are part of the 38th IC, where their actions are described in much more detail from 29/04 to 02/05 1945.

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Quote: genisis

Just like your beloved Azerbaijan.

Азербайджан мне так же далек, как и Армения. Но мне близки государственные интересы моего государства. А они (государственные интересы) требуют того, чтобы у нас в союзниках (или в нашем составе) был Азербайджан, а не Армения.
В условиях, когда Грузия нацелилась в НАТО, нам кровь из носу как нужно строить и укреплять ось Россия-Азербайджан-Иран. Наши три страны, гранича друг с другом, перекрывают всю Евразию от Северного Ледовитого Океана до Индийского Океана. И никто никакой газопровод или нефтепровод в обход наших стран на Запад протянуть не сможет. Мы сразу напрочь исключаем какие-либо иллюзии у наших среднеазиатских и казахстанских партнеров, что они смогут тянуть свои нефтепроводы и газопроводы в Европу в обход России (или привязанного к нам Азербайджана). Ни один паровоз или фура наши три страны с Востока (из Китая, Кореи) на пути на Запад - не объедет. Ни по суше, ни по морю (на паромах). А если мы ещё и воздушное пространство закроем для пролёта самолетов недружественных стран - то и полетам гражданской авиации недружественных стран кранты. Нас ещё и хрен облетишь !!!
But if we foolishly exchange Azerbaijan for Armenia, which is no better than Georgia, but unlike Georgia, which has access to the Black Sea, Armenia is in such an ass of the world that no one needs it at all and cannot influence anything - there will be problems .
Showing on fingers.
If Armenia joins NATO, then this will make us neither hot nor cold. We will just assume that the current NATO member of Turkey has slightly increased ass.
But if God forbid, after Georgia, Azerbaijan, offended by our pro-Armenian position, will reach NATO, this will be a HUGE problem for us. Then NATO ships may end up in the Caspian Sea. Large ships, of course, will not appear, but small ships can very well be delivered disassembled by rail or road and then assemble them in Baku. In the same way as the Germans did in 1941-1942, when Turkey blocked the straits into the Black Sea with German and Italian warships. And then they will set up in Baku or somewhere else normal assembly production so that they can also assemble destroyers. At present, nothing is impossible. It would be a desire and money. On fig us in the Caspian Sea NATO fleet ????
And it’s better to give Armenia to the USA. Moreover, it is only in words with us, and in fact, has long been with the United States. The Armenian lobby in the US Congress is the second most powerful after the Israeli. In Armenia (and in Russia) there is practically no Armenian family that does not have relatives in the United States or in France. Therefore, Armenians in general should not be allowed to access any of our secret military or secret state documents. Not without reason during the USSR in questionnaires there was a point: "Do you have relatives abroad."
It is in Russia's national interests to help Azerbaijan regain Karabakh and thereby bind Azerbaijan to us. And then it will be possible to feed Armenia a little. Including weapons. So that Azerbaijan understands that if it only thinks of leaving us somewhere, the Armenians will again go to take Karabakh. Nothing personal. The state interests of Russia above all.

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Quote: genisis

Just Taman.

Свершилось чудо . Армянин признался, что был неправ.

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Quote: genisis

Enough copy and paste your pseudo-analytical calculation about 102 Russian Base in Armenia.

Давайте вы не будете затыкать людям рты, даже если их комментарии вам не нравятся. Всё остальное ваше оставляю без ответа, ибо понятно, что вы, как армянин, просто обязаны всеми силами защищать интересы Армении. Вплоть до ругани, личных оскорблений оппонентов и так далее.

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Quote: NF68

Your grass is strong. Have you been drinking for a long time?

Похоже, вы соотечественник генезиса ? Тогда тоже без комментариев. Ибо понимаю, что вы тут на работе.

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Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

присмотри там мне на сев берегу Констатинопля гектаров 20.

Хотите повторить историю ? Полагаю, что второй раз османы на те же грабли не наступят.\
Когда в 1204 году на Византию напали латинские крестоносцы - армяне решили, что они армяне - европейцы (ми, армянэ – цэ Европа !!!, ми армянэ – це Европа !!!!) , предали православных греков и переметнулись на сторону католических латинских крестоносцев. А вскоре армяне пошли вместе с латинскими крестоносцами завоевывать Болгарию. Но в Болгарии латинским крестоносцам и их приспешникам армянам не повезло - крестоносцы и само собой, что и их приспешники армяне в битве при Адриаполе болгарами и бежавшими в Болгарию греками, с пришедшими на помощь болгарам половцами - были разбиты наголову. А император Балдиун попал к болгарскому царю Колояну в плен. Но если крестоносцы хотя бы частично уцелели, то армян болгары, половцы и греки вырезали начисто. Как предателей. А через некоторое время, когда крестоносцы собирали все свои оставшиеся силы - они оставили без защиты 20 тысяч армян - семьи тех, кто погиб в битве при Адриаполе. "Брат императора Генрих спешил к Константинополю из отдаленного Адрамиттия, с нетерпением ожидаемый всеми; по пути он должен был нехотя покинуть на произвол судьбы 20 000 малоазиатских армян, связавших свою судьбу с франками на свое несчастье: греки перерезали несчастных.". Затем через десяток лет по Никейской Империи прокатилась ещё одна волна армянских погромов - греки продолжали мстить армянам за предательство. Было вырезано ещё не менее 20 тысяч армян.
А когда греки в 1261 году, на свою беду, вернули себе Константинополь - то запретили армянам не только жить в Константинополе, но даже просто там появляться даже для торговли. Ну, тут может быть уже не столько не любовь к армянам, все же более 50-ти лет прошло, сколько устранение торговых конкурентов.
И только османы, взяв Константинополь в 1453 году, вновь разрешили в нем селиться армянам. Более того, османы почтительно пригласили армян на жительство в Константинополь и даже передали им несколько греческих православных храмов.
Ну так что ? Греки в начале 13 века в общей сложности вырезали свыше 50-ти тысяч армян. С учетом численности населения в то время - это все равно, если бы в 1915 году вырезали 5 миллионов армян. Где обвинения в геноциде в адрес греков ???
А вскоре после взятия османами Константинополя османские султаны специально для армян впервые за всю историю Константинополя разрешили армянам основать свою армянскую Константинопольскую патриархию.

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Quote: genisis

You forgot that there are magazines of military operations of the divisions themselves, which are part of the 38th IC, where their actions are described in much more detail from 29/04 to 02/05 1945.

Ну и где-же Журнал Боевых действий вашей 89-ой СД ? Что, мыши съели ?
На то и существуют вышестоящие органы (корпус, армия, фронт) , чтобы специалисты на основании сопоставления массы фактов очищали журналы боевых действий нижестоящих подразделений от всевозможных несоответствий, написанных сознательно или по незнанию истинной ситуации.
Вам представлен Журнал боевых действий 1-го Белорусского фронта. И если в нем написано, что весь 38 СК был в резерве фронта, то пусть командир 89-й СД хоть весь испишется на тему, как он доблестно воевал в тот день и взял пол-Берлина - это ни на йоту на станет правдой.

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Вам представлен Журнал боевых действий 1-го Белорусского фронта.

Дедушка, а можешь подсказать, где в ЖБД 1-го Белорусского фронта можно найти информацию о героических действиях Зинаиды Степановой и радиста Калмыкова?

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Quote: genisis

I think you will leave this mortal world before the Georgians re-sign the Collective Security Treaty with Russia.
Just like your beloved Azerbaijan.

Ну да, как обычно, когда ответить нечего - генезис и его соотечественники переходят на личности. Вам объяснили юридическую сторону вопроса. А будет ли он претворятся или нет - это вторично. Главное - есть право вернуться.

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Quote: genisis

Дедушка, а можешь подсказать, где в ЖБД 1-го Белорусского фронта можно найти информацию о героических действиях Зинаиды Степановой и радиста Калмыкова?

Специально для вас объясняю, что в Боевых журналах фронтов отражаются действия армий, корпусов, дивизий, отдельных частей (например отдельный полк), если он имеет корпусное или армейское подчинение. Действия конкретных лиц в Боевых журналах фронтов не отражаются.

Простите, у вас запас истерики, вызванной видимо тем, что вам нечего противопоставить Боевому Журналу 1-го Белорусского фронта, который просто в пыль развеял ваши фантазии о том, что "89-я СД приняла огромное участие в штурме Берлина, разгромила... и так далее" закончился или ещё будет ?

И что, кстати, с Боевым Журналом собственно вашей 89-ой СД ? Как я уже говорил - мыши съели ?

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Не надо скромничать, seal, выкладывайте смело информацию о действиях 52 Гв. СД, в рядах которых свой геройский поступок совершали Степанова с Калмыковым. Ведь наверняка в ЖБД 1-го Белорусского столько доблестные действия 52 Гв. СД не могут быть не отражены.

И что, кстати, с Боевым Журналом собственно вашей 89-ой СД ? Как я уже говорил - мыши съели ?

Чушь не порите. Вы прекрасно можете ознакомиться с ЖБД 89 СД на сайте pamyat-naroda.ru, откуда вы и ЖБД 1-го Белорусского взяли.

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In terms of obtaining loans.

If so and on, things will go with the Russian Federation, in terms of “finances sing romances.” We will have to the Diaspora, you know how to arrange a second charity marathon for people like you.

Как вы уже достали Скачете друг перед другом как на укромайдане. И в сторону России поглядываете Боитесь что не пригласят больше асфальт укладывать и помидорами с укропом торговать Если меж собой войнушку начнете Кому вы нафиг с вашими терками хомячьими интересны блин "войны великие"

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Quote: genisis

Чушь не порите. Вы прекрасно можете ознакомиться с ЖБД 89 СД на сайте pamyat-naroda.ru, откуда вы и ЖБД 1-го Белорусского взяли.

Опять фиксируем ваше очередное... какое уже по счету.. 115 наверное.. враньё !!!! Как раз таки ЖБД 89-й СД, описывающего боевые действия дивизии в период штурма Берлина на указанном вами сайте нет.
И вы это прекрасно знаете.
Вы прекрасно знаете, что там выложены лишь оперативные документы 89-й СД периода Берлинской операции: Боевые донесения, Боевые распоряжения, Оперативные сводки.
Ну и зачем врать ?
Ещё раз напоминаю разницу между ЖБД и всеми этими оперативными документами. В оперативных документах могут допускаться неточности и преувеличения, равно как и в наградных документах. А вот ЖБД, причем машинописный, а не черновой рукописный вариант - это уже тщательно отфильтрованная всеми службами информация. Не факт конечно, что и в ЖБД на 100 % полностью достоверный и не содержит в себе преувеличений, но по сравнению с оперативными документами утвержденный вышестоящим штабом ЖБД того или иного соединения - это ДОКУМЕНТ.

Кстати, сколько месяцев вы уже пытаетесь найти подтверждение своим утверждениям о том, что Орден Кутузова II степени 89-я СД получила именно за участие в штурме Берлина ? И что ? До сих пор ничего не нашли ? Ну-ну

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Grandfather, you'd better tell the person how many Armenians there were in the 89th SD in May 1945))

Давайте вы не будете мне указывать, что и кому мне тут рассказывать. У себя на кухне своей женой можете командовать сколько угодно. Если они у вас есть. Жена. И кухня.

Я понятия не имею, сколько в 89-й СД было армян.
Но могу отметить, что потери 89-й СД в Берлинской операции были .. впрочем, давайте посмотрим цифры.

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Но могу отметить, что потери 89-й СД в Берлинской операции были ..

Ну, дедуль, ну полно вам.
Вы же прекрасно знаете, что в составе 38 СК, кроме 64 СД и 89 СД была еще и 52 ГвСД.
Почему же вы её потери за время пребывания в корпусе не приводите? Что бы в очередной раз в лужу не шмякнуться?
Ну я вам помогу. Представлю таки пару документов. А вы уж не стесняйтесь, пиши выводы свои "гвардейские"

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Если вы не знали, то Советский Союз в своей войне вышел победителем,

Советский Союз в целом да. Но поскольку в Прибалтике проходят марши ветеранов СС, на Украине героизировали Бандеру и бандеровцев (а также мельниковцев и прочих нацистских пособников ) , а в Ереване поставили памятник другому нацистскому пособнику Ндже - то победа в той войне на окраинах СССР уже как-то под вопросом.

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Battle of Gaugamela. The right flag of the Persian army consisted of Armenians.

И сему есть какие-то документальные подтверждения ? Может вы нашли подлинную Схему расстановки войск для боя утвержденную Дарием или кем-то из его военачальников ? Или нашли подлинные мемуары очевидца или участника того сражения ? Что же вы скрываете свои находки от народа ? Поделитесь скорее !!!

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Quote: Weyland

Великая Армения существовала, ЕМНИП, до 385 г от Р,х.

Сколько же вам лет ? 2500 ? Больше ?
А чем то более реальным подтвердить свое утверждение можете ?

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Alex1117,
И тема ни разу не смешная, чему тут смеяться?

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genisis,
Вы прямо как ребенок. Это приговор венгерского суда. На территории Венгрии он имел право обращаться за помилованием к венгерскому президенту через указанное в решении суда время. Но при экстрадиции этот пункт утрачивает силу. Будучи переданным азербайджанской юстиции Сафарян приобрел право обращаться за помилованием к Президенту Азербайджана. Который будучи первым лицом суверенного государства, ничем не ограничен в праве помилования, короме конституции своей страны.
Кстати, надо посмотреть права Президента Азербайджана в этой части. Вполне возможно, что для подписания акта о помиловании ему вообще не нужно обращение самого осужденного. Достаточно обращения адвоката или родственников осужденного. Или вообще он вправе принимать решения о помилованиях без формальных обращений. В этих случаях была соблюдена даже буква решения венгерского суда.

Что интересно, так это то, что в своем Решении венгерский суд признал принадлежность Нагорного Карабаха Азербайджану.

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Я так и не понял, вы о чем вообще???
Меня не интересует юридическая часть обращения Алиева с Сафаровым. Пусть хоть замуж его возьмёт ))
Вы-то что хотите донести?

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У Советского Союза терявшего земли до половины войны не было героев ?Или они появились только тогда когда нога Советского солдата вступила в Германию ?Чисто армянская логика работает как армянское радио

Все вполне логично. Согласно той логике, которую вы отметили. У них именно так и было.
Армяне заявляют о более, чем 106 героях СССР, якобы полученных в году войны. На самом деле в списке есть и не-армяне, и те, кто получил звание Герой СССР к 20-ти летию Победы (Адмирал Исаков) и разведчик Вартанян. При всем к нему уважении - на фронте он не был. Звание Герой Советского Союза получил в 1984 году.
В списках Героев войны значится Капрэлян Рафаил Иванович. Но звание Герой Советского Союза он получил лишь в 1975 году. Через 30 лет после Победы, собственно по случаю тридцатилетнего юбилея Победы и получил.
В список Героев Советского Союза времен войны армяне внесли и Тащияна (номер в списке - 89-й).
Он вообще не Герой Советского Союза . Ему в 1995 году было присвоено звание "Герой России" , типа, как будто бы в войну его недостойно наградили. Мол, представляли к званию Героя, а он получил всего лишь орден. Да таких, кого во время войны представляли к званию Героя, а они получали лишь ордена и медали, а то и вообще ничего не получали - были десятки тысяч.

In 1941, not a single Armenian was nominated for the title of Hero of the Soviet Union.
В 1942 году - 4 (и то трое не соответствовали требованиям для награждения)
В 1943 году - 5 или 6 (то же самое по требованиям)
Все остальные - в 1944, 1945 (особенно после 14 мая 1945 года) , 1946 и ещё позднее.

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And there was such a people who lived in Italy heavily before the Romans, it was called the Etruscans. Of course, if you follow your logic, then these were Russians)))

Вообще-то термин этруски - это термин, введенный историками уже в Новое Время. А так считается, что самоназвание этрусков - Расены или Расна.
Впрочем, нет дыма без огня. Поскольку то, что якобы «etruscum non legitur» прекрасно читается на старославянском языке - всё может быть. Возможно кто-то из историков 16 или 17 веков, который ещё знал славянский язык, назвал Расенов (Расов) с намеком. А вообще то их общепринятое название "туски".
Да. Вам же нужно объяснить, почему я употребил выражение"ещё знал славянский язык".
Гениальный Леонардо да Винчи в своих дневниках писал в 1508-1519 гг.: "Человеческий род дойдет до того, что один не будет понимать речи другого - т.е. немец турка".
Значит, по крайней мере, при Леонардо они речь друг друга понимали?
Вопрос, а какой язык им помогал понимать друг друга ?
Также известно, что в какой-то период истории делопроизводство Османской Империи велось на ....
Ладно, приведу пример. Например, фирман турецкого султана Мурада (II), датируемый 1430 г. и хранящийся в госархиве г. Дубровник (Хорватия), в адрес городского вече (где официальное делопроизводство велось якобы только по латыни, хотя городской дневник называется по-славянски "Огледа", т.е. зеркало), выполнен гражданской славянской азбукой, а не церковнославянской, и не латиницей!

Подробно зная историю проникновения из Азии ваших предков, было бы странно верить в эту чушь.

Мои предки, как и предки всех славян, действительно возможно денисовцы.
Но это все относится к 50 000 летнем периоду тому назад, разумеется.
Хотя то, что люди распространялись не из Азии в Африку, а наоборот из Африки на все континенты мира, кроем Антарктиды - в корне противоречит вашей любой версии о том, что якобы масса народа вышла из Азии.
Впрочем, вам, армянам, возможно виднее. То-то вас так тянет в Сибирь и на Дальний Восток.

Но в Баку и Анкаре своя история, свои академические исследования.

Не знаю, как в Баку, а в Анкаре, к сожалению, крепко привилась история, сотворенная для турок в Ватикане. Впрочем, у нас - тоже.

Но в Баку и Анкаре своя история, свои академические исследования.

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I understand that you, like any graphomaniac, are bursting with pride in the number of letters you typed, but let the forum users already take a break from this nonsense))))

Я так понимаю, что о неком "графоманстве" вы говорите исключительно с профессиональной точки зрения
Как графоман с большим графоманским стажем.
А по существу то у вас есть, что возразить ?
Ну где у меня допущена алогичность или историческая неправда ?

Нет !!! Возразить вам нечего !!! Было бы что возразить - то вы бы возразили по существу.
А раз вы переходите на личность - то это признак вашего поражения. Вы просто подняли руки вверх.

Frankly, grandfather, you still smoke something)))))

Ого, я смотрю, вы не только профессиональный графоманчик-то

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And given the fact that Turukkans lived in the mountains of Zagros near Lake. Urmia in ancient Iran in the Bronze Age, spoke the Hurrian language with a significant Western-Semitic component, then only marginalized people can believe that Turakkins are Turks.

Термин "турукку", как и например, термин "банту" - не изменяются. Так, что вы совершенно зря так извращаетесь "турукканцы"
Где они жили и все прочее - это ведь все довольно условно.
Впрочем, а чего это вы так заскромничали, что то озеро, которые ваши историки называют Капутан, вы вдруг решили назвать его персидским названием Урмия ?
Озеро Урмия (перс. دریاچه ارومیه‎ - Дарйаче-йе Орумийе , азерб. Urmiya gölü , арм. Ուրմիա լիճ или Կապուտան (Капутан),
Маргиналы могут верить во, что угодно. И вы это прекрасно доказываете.
Например, своей верой в некое автохонство и "древние армянские царства", от которых не осталось на строчечки документа.

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Butchcassidy,
Ещё об " армянских древностях".
Возьмем Илиаду.
Самое знаменитое ограбление так сказать "античных времен" - взятие Трои. Но поскольку исход битвы был долго неясен - то армяне могли засветиться как на стороне греков, так и на стороне троянцев. Итак, смотрим Илиаду.

В составе войска греков под Трою прибыли:
Состав греческого войска согласно каталогу «Илиады»

Mycenaeans
Spartans
Беотийцы
Орхомен
Фокейцы
Локры
Абанты
Афиняне
Саламинцы
Аргосцы
Пилосцы
Tegeans
жители Бупрасии
Жители Элиды
Жители Гирмины
жители Мирзина
Кефаленцы(жители Итаки)
Этолийцы
Критяне
Родосцы
Симийцы
жители Калиднийских островов
Мирмидонцы
жители Пираса
жители Фер
Мефонцы
жители Эхалии
Орменийцы
жители Гиртоны
Кифосцы
Магнеты

Армян или арменов – нет.

В союз троянцев, согласно каталогу «Илиады» (II, 816 — 877), входят:
1)
1.1.племена, проживающие в Троаде (собственно троянцы,
1.2.дарданийцы,
1.3.троянцы из Зелии,
1.4. адрастийцы,
1.5. жители Перкоты и других городов);
Троянцам пришли на помощь:
2) пеласги из анатолийской Лариссы;
3) фракийцы;
4) киконы;
5) пеоны;
6) пафлагоны;
7) галидзоны;
8) Мизийцы (кетейцы);
9) фригийцы;
10) меонийцы;
11) карийцы
12) ликийцы.
13) Лелеги
14) Кавконы
15) Эфиопы
16) Зелейцы
17) Амазонки
18) Мисы

А где собственно, вездесущие армяне ? Даже эфиопы пришли на помощь Трое, а армяне ? Видимо, ещё кочуют где-то. Иначе точно бы засветились на той или иной стороне.