Turkey will remain without F-35, and NATO without Turkey?

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The US Senate adopted its version of the defense budget for 2019. One of the points of this option is the termination of Turkish participation in the F-35 stealth fighter program.

This turn did not come as a big surprise to the Turks or to outside observers. Moreover, for now this is only an option, and not a final solution to the issue. However, the signal to the Turkish side was given a specific one, and there is almost no time left for Ankara to finally solve the problem.





The stumbling block, as you know, was Turkey’s desire to purchase the C-400 air defense system from the Russian Federation. The Pentagon and the official structures of NATO have repeatedly expressed their strong opposition to this purchase. They explained this in a rather streamlined way: ostensibly the Russian complex cannot be integrated into the existing NATO air defense system, which in the future will create problems both for the alliance and for Turkey itself.

But is it really? Let's try to figure it out.

Apparently, both US and NATO officials are a little cunning. There are, of course, reasons for such a stubborn Washington, but they have nothing to do with concern for the welfare of Turkey. But with the welfare of Israel are directly related.

The US-Turkish deal is being opposed by Israel, which is justifiably afraid of the excessive, in the opinion of Tel Aviv, gain of Turkey. In fact, it is still the only country capable of challenging Israel’s military challenge. And if stealth fighters appear in the Turks, such a critical area as Israel’s air defense may be threatened, which automatically means stopping the game with only one goal in the event of some conflict between Israelis and their Arab neighbors.

It is clear that at the moment relations between the countries are not so bad as to expect an immediate military conflict between Israel and Turkey in the event of the appearance of the latest F-35. But the fact is that Tel Aviv is trying to look into the future as far as possible, and the strengthening of Muslim neighbors is unacceptable for Israel in principle.

In this regard, it is not by chance that the US Senate, where the Israelis have traditionally had a very strong lobby, adopted a similar version of the draft. Although, taking into account the peculiarities of the religion of D. Trump's next of kin, a powerful Israeli lobby exists at the very top of the executive branch of the United States. Therefore, President Erdogan of Turkey needs to take such signals very seriously.

On the other hand, if Erdogan still “does not bend” under this pressure and continues the course of cooperation with Russia, this will be a clear indication that Turkey is not going to give up sovereign policy for the sake of short-term gain. So, the diplomatic courting of Ankara by Moscow not only made sense, but already brings some fruits.

Another reason for the stubbornness of Americans is the fear of leakage of secrets. And the fear, it must be admitted, is not groundless.

If Turkey turns out to be the owner of both C-400 and F-35, then she will be able to create an accurate radar portrait of the American fighter at various distances and at different radiation angles. This is quite a difficult job that requires absolutely accurate data on the location, altitude, speed and course of the target at the time of exposure and tracking, weather conditions in the test area and a lot of other information. Only in this case, it will be possible to teach automation and operators to distinguish a weak illumination of the target from the noise and give it a target designation.

And the Turks will certainly carry out such work. And they will conduct it honestly, without playing a giveaway with themselves, and their information will become absolutely invaluable for both Russian and Chinese intelligence services. And taking into account how American-Turkish relations are developing, it can also be a direct transfer of data (without any intelligence), directly to the General Staff and to specialized research institutes.

And this is indeed a very serious threat to American interests. That, coupled with the interest of Israel, almost guaranteed to put an end to the supply of F-35 to the Turkish Air Force.

By the way, some risk of technology leakage was assumed as a result of the creation of F-35 service facilities on site, in Turkey. It is clear that the Americans would not have placed critical production technologies on Istanbul. But the coverage, electronic component, avionics and weapons would be of great interest to the intelligence services mentioned above. And those Americans would have to share anyway ...

Breaking the agreement at such a late stage of its implementation, when the parties were already ready to transfer finished machines, is, of course, a very trivial matter. This can be compared, perhaps, only with the refusal of France to supply Russia with the actually built Mistrals. And given the fact that Turkey has recently been a privileged ally of the United States, this may indicate the depth of the crack that had passed between these states after the unsuccessful attempt of a military coup in Turkey. And it can say nothing less about the beginning of the transformation or even the collapse of NATO.

As for the possible alternatives for Ankara, now the idea of ​​delivering Su-57 there does not look at all very hopeless or hasty.

Although the last word has not yet said the Chinese. And they also have arguments ...
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  1. +2
    21 June 2018 05: 35
    A bit inaccurate information ... The Pentagon will still give aircraft to Turkey ... And the front view, of course, is stealth ... But the rear view ... It's quite another matter ...
    1. dSK
      +3
      21 June 2018 06: 50
      Quote: Vard
      The Pentagon will still transfer planes to Turkey.

      Quote: Victor Kuzovkov
      Moscow’s diplomatic courtship of Ankara not only made sense, but also brought some results.

      The author has too high expectations ...
      1. +1
        22 June 2018 05: 57
        Let’s not worry about the portrait. The portrait will be copied without supplies to Turkey, if not already copied. laughing
      2. 0
        25 June 2018 12: 08
        I would say: the author is running too far ahead. However, knowing Erdogan, who is not distinguished by patience and poise, this is completely justified. Erdogan does not believe mattresses. Absolutely. Since he believes that they betrayed him and nearly killed him. Perhaps it is completely justified in not believing. On the other hand, Putin has established himself as a leader who does not throw partners, no matter what fortels they throw. And Erdogan believes Putin. And Israel is well aware that the United States is shaking not childishly, and if something happens to the mattresses, it will remain one-on-one with the Islamic BV and North Africa. And therefore, Israel as soon as it is not cast out in order to delay the end. And the ill-fated F-35 is just a small episode in this game. Moreover, its suitability for a serious conflict is still very controversial.
    2. 0
      22 June 2018 16: 50
      Quote: Vard
      The Pentagon will still hand over aircraft to Turkey ...

      of course he will! I don’t understand where all the insinuations about this issue come from. What are the facts? Turkey is one of the main participants in the F35 project. they invested money in the project (about 800 million). but not only that, they are involved in production. part of the components F35 is produced by Turkey. no F35, no components. no components, no F35. and they will soon be able to get them from Europe, there is also being assembled.
      what about American senators? and what do you take from them? they won the pro-American Barmalei in Limpopo from the pro-Putin Aibolit .... blessed ... request
  2. +6
    21 June 2018 06: 31
    Israel is resisting the US-Turkish deal, rightly fearing excessive, in the view of Tel Aviv, Turkey’s strengthening.

    At sight Of Jerusalem, Victor, Of Jerusalem. Change the training manual. The Russian Foreign Ministry has published it for a long time.

    And Turkey is not going anywhere from NATO.

    If Turkey turns out to be the owner of both the C-400 and F-35, then it will be able to create an accurate radar portrait of an American fighter at different distances and at different angles of exposure.

    ... and also find the weak points of the unspoken in the world of C-400 and pass this information to NATO colleagues. Peremoga fool
    1. dSK
      +1
      21 June 2018 06: 53
      Quote: professor
      find weaknesses ... S-400 and pass this information to colleagues on NATO.

      I really hope to break the deal ... angry
      1. +2
        21 June 2018 07: 59
        Quote from dsk
        I really hope to break the deal ...

        You will laugh, but the deal also involves the transfer of technology to Turkey.

        Quote: BigBraza
        This is just an Israeli training manual. And American.

        http://www.mid.ru/press_service/spokesman/officia
        l_statement / - / asset_publisher / t2GCdmD8RNIr / conten
        t / id / 2717182
        At the same time, we consider it necessary to state that in this context we are considering West Jerusalem as the capital of the State of Israel.

        Quote: rotmistr60
        But what about the leaky "Dome"?

        We do not call it null in the world. fellow
    2. +4
      21 June 2018 07: 07
      Quote: professor
      In the view of Jerusalem, Victor, Jerusalem. Change the training manual


      This is just an Israeli training manual. And American.

      Quote: professor
      ... and also find the weak points of the unspoken in the world of C-400 and pass this information to NATO colleagues. Peremoga


      Why are NATO allies so opposed to the deal? Maybe they do not read your posts, Olezh?
    3. +4
      21 June 2018 07: 20
      but the s-400 has no weaknesses! zrada!
      1. 0
        21 June 2018 15: 58
        Counteraction against anything you can create! A question of price and "digestibility"!
        Plane armored steel plates do not hang, but no matter how good it was, no shrapnel to him at all.
        Again, you can hang up with EW containers, traps, crackers, anti-ballistic missiles, etc. !!!
        And where to hang bombs ???
        So it turns out that they are looking for the most vulnerable areas of air defense and anti-aircraft missiles, which are easier to influence!
        The same block YOUR _ ALIEN, always cherished oh-hoo how !!! I know, from a dozen subscriptions tore off when they did.
        It is clear that the export version of the air defense system will be called up and closed in full, always did!
        Again, bookmarks, just in case, this identity is not a myth!
        So sho, import substitution, it is a matter of state defense and survival, and nothing else!
    4. +7
      21 June 2018 07: 26
      Quote: professor
      Israel is resisting the US-Turkish deal, rightly fearing excessive, in the view of Tel Aviv, Turkey’s strengthening.

      At sight Of Jerusalem, Victor, Of Jerusalem. Change the training manual. The Russian Foreign Ministry has published it for a long time.

      And Turkey is not going anywhere from NATO.

      If Turkey turns out to be the owner of both the C-400 and F-35, then it will be able to create an accurate radar portrait of an American fighter at different distances and at different angles of exposure.

      ... and also find the weak points of the unspoken in the world of C-400 and pass this information to NATO colleagues. Peremoga fool

      Your smiley is good, the last argument, emotions are bursting, you need to carefully handle your head, buddy smile
    5. +6
      21 June 2018 07: 31
      The professor is in shock today. Chops right and left with pleasure. How not to rejoice when Netanyahu nearly beats a tambourine scattering in thanks and support from the United States for leaving the UN Human Rights Council.
      not having analogues in the world of S-400
      But what about the leaky "Dome"?
    6. +4
      21 June 2018 20: 08
      Tel Aviv, professor))) Jerusalem has a bit of the wrong status that your Nazi misunderstanding country dreams of)))
      1. 0
        25 June 2018 07: 33
        As if someone was not puffing up, and not beating his heel against the Strawbat sternum, the capital of Israel is Jerusalem. Usually the one who calls others Nazis, he himself is.
  3. 0
    21 June 2018 07: 05
    Oh, they’ve straight fanned like this f35 gold one. Although the price is exactly so.
  4. +1
    21 June 2018 07: 14
    Do not forget that Erdogan wants to sit in all the chairs, and therefore Turkey will be in NATO until it is extorted from there.
  5. +3
    21 June 2018 07: 35
    And it can say no less about the beginning of the transformation or even the collapse of NATO.
    ... Fresh tradition, but hard to believe ... NATO will fall apart, and former NATO members will fall under the wing of Russia in orderly rows and columns ... Turks, it's like some element in an ice hole ... starting from the end of the 18th century .. That we’ll storm Corfu together, and then another Russo-Turkish war, etc. ... History is developing in a spiral ... how it would wind Turkey and it will wind .. Erdogan, he’ll stab another knife in the back ...
  6. +2
    21 June 2018 08: 27
    The blue-eyed author accused Turkey of betraying the allies and working as a double agent? Although there are prerequisites for this - at one time the Turks surrendered to the Iranians a network of Mossad agents. And this despite the good relations with Israel and close relations in the military sphere. So "to believe the Turks - do not respect yourself (s)" - this is also necessary for Russia to remember.
    1. +1
      21 June 2018 12: 54
      For a moment, these allies wanted to physically nail Erdogan. It is strange if he had the slightest sympathy for them. Plus, they stuff the Kurds with weapons. The gap is inevitable in the medium term, Turkey and the United States do not have a common vision of a single issue in the region
      1. 0
        24 June 2018 16: 22
        Erdogan began to freak much earlier. Scolded Europeans and Americans, threatened, made himself out of the blue, climbed into European affairs. For some reason, he decided that the Turks living in Germany and in Europe owed him something. He sent Islamic preachers who incited parishioners against integration. But the most unreasonable - he changed the Constitution for himself, and behaved like an ordinary dictator. What are they doing with dictators? That's right - they get rid of them.
  7. +1
    21 June 2018 08: 42
    Zadolbali Experts, better than the State Department knowing their transactions.
    Turkey is doing fine! She resells gas and terrorists, and C 400 will be happy to resell, and F35 will receive, and our tourists.
    So just right to be happy for them!
  8. 0
    21 June 2018 08: 56
    The USA will hand over planes, but there is a small nuance. The United States will give Turkey the F-35 Lightning II with a trimmed ALIS system (Autonomic Logistics Information System). Even if the American partner can establish the work of the fighter without this system, the lack of spare parts will not allow the F-35 Lightning II to operate for any long time.
    1. 0
      21 June 2018 15: 11
      I wouldn’t pass it on ... and what if Turkey would just sell such an under-plane to China or Russia in revenge?
  9. 0
    21 June 2018 11: 07
    Judging by the photos, the stealth from the F-35 is rushing. Let's see what this re-pinching between the USA and Turkey will lead to.
  10. +1
    21 June 2018 11: 28
    Quote: parusnik
    And it can say no less about the beginning of the transformation or even the collapse of NATO.
    ... Fresh tradition, but hard to believe ... NATO will fall apart, and former NATO members will fall under the wing of Russia in orderly rows and columns ... Turks, it's like some element in an ice hole ... starting from the end of the 18th century .. That we’ll storm Corfu together, and then another Russo-Turkish war, etc. ... History is developing in a spiral ... how it would wind Turkey and it will wind .. Erdogan, he’ll stab another knife in the back ...

    I have no doubt about that.
  11. +1
    21 June 2018 11: 45
    Do not forget that Turkey is an outpost of NATO against Russia. As the people say, “Dear ones, they only amuse.” Nevertheless, the analyst must look into the future of our relations. Trump changes his mind like gloves.
    Today Turkey implements the decisions of the EEC on the sanctions of the Crimea. Our trade relations are not cloudless. The Turkish Stream will provide Turkey with Russian money for gas transit. In my opinion, not to sell S-400 to Turkey, for the reason that its scientists,
    or American decrypts the actions of the S-500, since the latter is the daughter of the S-400.
    1. 0
      21 June 2018 15: 16
      Now the ball is on the US side ... we are waiting for the purchase of the S-400 and sanctions for it .... and India is also looking at all this. On the one hand, the Turks should be severely punished (beat your own, so that strangers would be afraid), and on the other hand, you can lose Turkey from NATO .... And the delivery of a stripped-down version of the F-35C is a great example of how your 5th generation aircraft for 100mln dollars (without spare parts, training, etc.) can easily turn from the 5th generation to 3-4th. Oil painting.

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