"I will dig up a machine gun, I will tear everyone away!" How to perceive Putin

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Well, I wrote a critical article. About the president and his government. I have every right to make my opinion under rotten eggs and rotten tomatoes.





Yes, with comments we have full of seams lately, it is better not to read at all. Enough that arrives in the letters. This is more interesting, the letters are written by people, mostly mostly intelligent, not trying to nashibat "asterisks".

And yet.

Naturally, from two camps arrives.

And that is why I really want to say “in addition” just a couple of words. Such an opinion about opinions.

Gentlemen shouting that Putin is evil, and comrades screaming that Putin is the light at the end of the tunnel. Well, you can not live like that. Peace, he, contagion, not black and white. If you do not have color blindness, this can be seen. Eyes. If there is, ask loved ones and believe them. I do not call to believe.

Often our visitors are perceived as children. I didn’t write what was expected - everything, tears, stomping with knifes, knocking with cams and all that. Full obidki and puddles of tears.

Dear children and adults who are not far from the children gone.

We here recently voted for the president. Friendly and tastefully discussing it. And suddenly something went wrong. More precisely, everything went wrong.

No, someone is fine, someone, having made himself an idol (contrary to the precepts of his church) and cultivating a person, believes that everything is normal. Someone howled. Someone is silent.

There are those who are satisfied with the game in retirement. Matvienko, Miller, Sechin, Gref - they normally and not dripping. Well, the top managers in top teams too.

But for some reason the workers are not in a rush. And okay, white-haired type of me, but at the plants for some reason, mat-peremat. And in clinics too. And in schools.

And the nationwide robbery that began? Fine?

Dear ones, while the majority of them have come down to the TV screens, enjoying the spectacles of real football (I don’t watch myself, if anything, there is more important business), gentlemen’s deputies stamp the laws at the speed of an electrocaster. Everyday. Here's a fresh one:

“The State Duma adopted a law on increasing the state duty for issuing a new generation passport with an electronic storage medium from 3,5 thousand to 5 thousand rubles. At the same time, the state duty for issuing a new generation passport to a child under the age of 14 is increased from 1,5 thousand to 2,5 thousand rubles.
The law also establishes a state duty for the state registration of vehicles and other registration actions related to the issuance of a new generation certificate made of plastic-based materials in the amount of 1,5 thousand rubles. The state duty for issuing a national driver's license of a new generation in plastic is set at 3 thousand rubles. ”


While everyone is watching the championship, periodically indignant at the growth of the retirement age, gentlemen’s deputies will draw so many taxes to us that the prospect of being without pants, in some cowards, will not be the worst prospect in a year or two.

So what's up with Putin?

No way.

He is not bad and not good. Not black and white. And he has moves that I personally really like. Crimea, Ust-Luga, floating nuclear power plant in the North and everything connected with the North, in a complex. If we talk about foreign policy, then the turn from Europe to China is also quite.

But Syria and Donbass did. Just because the fault of Donbass is that there are no interests of Miller and Sechin. As well as categorically do not like the organized rampant internal corruption, licking the oligarchs at the expense of us, well, the last robberies also somehow "do not go."

Here I am against such a total robbery. Especially when robbing the entire population in favor of a handful of oligarchs. In every way supporting and exalting them. Well, like a medal of the disgraceful order “For merits before the Fatherland,” son of Sechin. In 24 of the year. Without specifying what he managed to earn there. No matter, these medals are awarded to everyone.

But to the cries of “It was necessary to vote not for Putin !!!”, “Bulk!” And so on, I also treat this way ... Yes, I did not vote for Putin, a fact. But who said that Zyuganov (sorry, Grudinin) or Sobchak - real alternatives?

"Upstairs" all are smeared with one world. Capitalist. And the alleged opponent of Putin is Sobchak (laughter, of course), who directly dreams of a godfather to the dump stories send and all the rest.

Capitalist elite of capitalist Russia. And for whom neither vote, the result will be the same. Plus / minus bad / very bad.

There is no alternative and can not be. No one rushes to wave a magic wand in order to submit to the next election a clone of Stalin. And even if the alternative is drawn as a semi-capitalist semi-collective farmer Grudinin, then the very same capitalists will flood it with crap, and the plebs crowd (forgive the electorate) will howl happily admiring this show.

Now, for sure, another questioner will come out of this crowd with the question: “What, author, are we all going to die, is everything gone?”

Yes, we all die. It is a fact. The only question is how and when. About the fact that everything was lost and the polymers were taken apart - this is for everyone as far as their stupidity is concerned.

Partially drawn ratings (this is for Europe and the USA and narcissism) and partially corresponding to reality - a double-edged sword.

A signal to the potential that all efforts to disintegrate Russia from the inside were in vain. But there is a minus. What does it matter how the end of this stick of us will knock out money? On the fight with the machinations of the United States or to restore the country destroyed by Yeltsin?

In general, that the first nonsense, that the second. But while it works.

And in the end - permission to complete chaos for the elites. This was not particularly visible, but it is. Do you want to retire at 65? Go to Rosguards, retire you go to 45 and thrash out those who don't want to retire at 65.

My dear, take off the pink glasses. Stop wearing them.

It is time to determine who you really are: a flock of sheep that lead to cut, or a flock that lead to cut? Or is it people who are not capable of thinking with the like / dizlick buttons?

Comments write, perhaps even from the heart. Authors indicate how to write, and politicians - how to do things. Meanwhile, the majority still really thinks Medvedev is bad, and Putin is good.

I'll tell you a secret. Terrible. Putin and Medvedev are one team. One unit. Long.

Just as Chubais, Kiriyenko, Deripaska, Gref, Miller, Sechin, Rothenberg and others. One family. Not Putin. Boris Nikolayevich.

Yes, yes, yes, that same, the first president, whom 90% curse and curse on this site and to whom Putin has built such a monument.

It is all one.

It is difficult to understand, of course, but once, probably, it is necessary. Generally - it would be time.

I'll give you an example. Freshest.

We are unhappy with pension reform. Unhappy? Dissatisfied. It is a pity, it is impossible to attend rallies because of the World Cup. It is a pity, would go, who would look what he says, you see, there would be new names.

And the answer is already "on the ointment," as they say. The response of the presidential administration.

From some garbage heap dug up ... right, Leshen Navalny!

And, hamsters, I immediately say, do not even try to squeal here on the topic “where the protest is, there Navalny”. Everything, my dear, conditional for him with a shaft, so either sit quietly at all and wait for a pension, or work off the money.

Judging by how all the federal media screamed in unison and in the same key, it is clear who ordered the concert.

The guys from the AP in general, well done, just hit two birds with one stone:

1. Discredit protest in general.

Elections were recent. Yes, the ones after which Navalny seemed to be dumped on the dustbin of history. He piled on him so much that KamAZ could not be taken out.

Navalny liberal, traitor and seducer of children. He lives on the dirty money of the US State Department / CIA. So, everyone who went after Leshenka, a priori, in shit, because they went out for whom. Develop the idea for hamsters? That's right, they are all traitors and provocateurs too.

No one cares that teachers and doctors will be completely there. No less than any of the hamster biomass will not worry that no one will lead a protest at all.

2. Controlled protest leader - a pledge of control of the protest itself.

Yes, quite so I do not even hint, but I speak openly. The receiver is old, but oh, what an effective and inexpensive.

Why do so many people scream about the fact that Navalny is being kept by the States, and so few ask themselves the question, why, despite such a number of conditional terms (find another one in Russia), it’s not just being imprisoned, so also the border is regularly released.

Ostensibly for treatment. Or maybe to meet with the curators from the State Department. It does not matter, the main thing - is released. And the fact that Navalny could have laid a passport to him in the AP was the way he was lying.

The main thing is that if you look closely, there is almost no difference between Alexei Navalny and George Gapon.

So all these faces are from the same deck. Everything. And Navalny is very necessary to Putin. And we all need Putin. At our expense you can do a lot of things. And we need Putin. We voted for him, it means we need it. And in general, without a sovereign country is bad. And without a president is bad. And when the oligarchs rule, there is nowhere worse. Like the type in Ukraine.

Dear readers, we need to get wiser. And getting smarter urgently. To learn to look around and see people. Those you can rely on and assign responsibilities to.

Finish with idiotic cries like "I will dig up a machine gun, I will tear everyone away." Or "you are all sold."

Yes, we are all sold here. And sold a long time. Sold to the capitalist system, which deeply spit on all our experiences. But you have to do something. While there is a choice, like that of a flock of sheep: either under the knife, or under the scissors.

All the same, both the knife and the scissors are still in Putin’s hands. As will be further - we will see. I would like to see.
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  1. +117
    21 June 2018 05: 44
    People do not understand one thing ... The purpose of the government is not that we would live better ... But that they would ... Live better ...
    1. +91
      21 June 2018 06: 20
      I completely agree with you. Putin said so: "The goal of the government is to improve people's lives." The whole question is who they (including Putin) are considered people. Most of the population of Russia is not among them.
      1. +7
        21 June 2018 08: 10
        Quote: iury.vorgul
        I completely agree with you. Putin said so: "The goal of the government is to improve people's lives." The whole question is who they (including Putin) are considered people. Most of the population of Russia is not among them.

        First, decide which of them is the boss for whom, and which subordinate is the one who writes the laws (Medvedev) or the one who enforces them (Putin)?
        And for reference. In raising gas prices Medvedev is guilty. In raising the retirement age Medvedev is guilty. What does Putin have to do with it?
        1. +40
          21 June 2018 08: 59
          Quote: Boris55
          And for reference. Medvedev is guilty of raising gas prices. Medvedev is guilty of raising the retirement age. What does Putin have to do with it?

          You, at least, read Putin’s speech at the presentation of Medvedev to the Duma. Or take a look.
          And in the end - permission to complete chaos for the elites. This was not particularly visible, but it is. Do you want to retire at 65? Go to Rosguards, retire you go to 45 and thrash out those who don't want to retire at 65.
          Figuratively!
          1. +4
            21 June 2018 09: 22
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            You, at least, read Putin’s speech at the presentation of Medvedev to the Duma

            Did Putin have other options? Are you sure that the prodrosovskaya Duma would approve Zyuganov, not its leader, as prime minister? Not sure? And I'm not sure, but do you think Putin is dumber than us? Unlikely. The choice of the people who voted for the capitalist path of development in the Duma elections must be respected.
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            Do you want to retire at 65?

            I am on a military pension since 1998. By the way, dividing into those who are already retired and supplementing them with a thousand, which inflation has already eaten, is nothing more than inciting one to another. So that those who already receive a pension tore their throats to those who do not agree to receive it at all.
            1. +26
              21 June 2018 09: 42
              Quote: Boris55
              Did Putin have other options?

              Strong! Hopeless Putin. So, did you read Putin’s speech? There are answers to your questions.
              Quote: Boris55
              Quote: Was Mammoth
              Do you want to retire at 65?

              I did not offer this. Especially on YOU. I am against raising the retirement age. Fake. It’s indecent.
              1. +1
                21 June 2018 09: 53
                Quote: There was a mammoth
                Especially on YOU.

                YOU first contacted me on YOU. See your post above: "Don't do you want to retire at 65? "
                Quote: There was a mammoth
                I am against raising the retirement age

                I am against the same.
                1. +33
                  21 June 2018 10: 37
                  Quote: Boris55
                  YOU were the first to contact me at YOU

                  So, they are not familiar with Putin’s speech. Have you read Skomorokhov’s article diagonally? Quote from the article.
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Dissolve the elected Duma by all of us and plunge the country into the medusoid wars. Do you want that? I am not and Putin is the same.

                  I suppose that half of the people will not notice the dissolution of the Duma, the second will be glad.
                  The split in society suits the economic policy of the government and the President patronizes it.
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Putin’s power is limited to Medvedev’s power.

                  You are in shock today !!!
              2. 0
                21 June 2018 09: 58
                Quote: There was a mammoth
                Strong! Hopeless Putin.

                There is an option. Dissolve the elected Duma by all of us and plunge the country into the medusoid wars. Do you want that? I am not and Putin is the same.
                1. +22
                  21 June 2018 10: 20
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Quote: There was a mammoth
                  Strong! Hopeless Putin.

                  There is an option. Dissolve the elected Duma by all of us and plunge the country into the medusoid wars. Do you want that? I am not and Putin is the same.

                  So the majority will have to die, because they will not live to be 65, and in this case I am for the dissolution of the State Duma of the Russian Federation. I do not want to steal and engage in terror when they are thrown out of work by the age of 60.
                  1. MPN
                    +9
                    21 June 2018 14: 03
                    Quote: MKPU-115
                    and in this case, I am for the dissolution of the State Duma of the Russian Federation

                    Well, before you ruin (by the way, I also don’t think of it as a servant of the people), I would probably at least see alternative plans. I do not believe that something will change, from one pocket to another they will shift everything.
                    But with this
                    As well as categorically do not like the organized rampant of internal corruption, the licking of the oligarchs at our expense, well, the latest robberies also somehow "do not go."
                    in the end - permission for complete lawlessness for the elites.
                    completely agreed and there’s nothing to add. Here is to know how to deal with it. I don’t really want revolutions, it’s a troublesome business and an overhead, then once again everything from the army to agriculture will have to be restored and there is little faith that the result will be very different from today.
                    1. +23
                      21 June 2018 14: 56
                      alternative plans would look
                      Those who have alternative plans do not allow those into the Kremlin.
                2. +36
                  21 June 2018 10: 25
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Dissolve all of us the elected Duma and plunge the country into the jellyfish wars

                  Is it because of the Duma that the war will begin ?! Do not exaggerate the love of the Duma among the people. And if they start wetting each other, then you can help. But seriously, all of them will be dumped for the cordon, to their children, to their homes.
                  GDP will not do this for one simple reason - it is convenient for them, they are manual. Anyone can be taken for a zugunder!
            2. AUL
              +17
              21 June 2018 15: 07
              Boris55
              Did Putin have other options? Are you sure that the prodrosovskaya Duma would approve Zyuganov, not its leader, as prime minister?
              Imagine sure! Remember when the sun-faced man nominated quickly to the ministers of construction, even the whole EP was neighing, but after all they approved it! So with the submission of GDP, they would approve at least Zyu, at least Ksyushu, even Navalny. Who needs to quarrel with YOURSELF!
            3. +3
              21 June 2018 15: 43
              NODovtsy is a diagnosis ...
        2. +47
          21 June 2018 09: 21
          Quote: Boris55
          Medvedev is guilty. What does Putin have to do with it?

          This is one team. They are doing the same thing. Medvedev is a continuation of Putin. Medvedev voices the most radical decisions, and Putin watches how people relate to this and then comes up with a different proposal, as a result of which he becomes good. The usual game of good and bad.
          1. +9
            21 June 2018 09: 41
            Quote: solzh
            This is one team.

            Нет!
            Medvedev is a representative of bourgeois, pro-Western clans. Putin is the representative of pro-Russian clans. They have completely opposite intentions about Russia. The Medvedevskys dream of selling Russia at a higher price, the Putin’s dream of making Russia independent. There can be no talk about any one team!
            1. +35
              21 June 2018 10: 26
              Quote: Boris55
              Putin's - to make Russia independent.

              why Putin’s friends are the richest in Russia? Why are they exempted from taxes? Well, well, blessed are those who believe.
              1. +1
                21 June 2018 13: 51
                why Putin’s friends are the richest in Russia?


                I'm not surprised that you think in terms of friendship - talking about Putin and business.
                You're a sylvester.

                Everything in your head is quite simple.

                Think about friendship up there - how are you in the yard between your children and others in the sandbox

                Immediately you are a businessman. And you have a lot of friends. (it's irony)
                1. +7
                  22 June 2018 14: 18
                  Again, my favorite tale that Putin has nothing to do with, but Dimon alone is to blame. Those who separate Dimon from Putin do this from a small mind and inability to think and analyze, as well as from the inability to draw the right conclusions. The rest of the small part of Putin’s separators from Dimon are simply trolls or near-minded people who created an idol and pray to him.
                  I ask the separators not to be offended by the truth, but this is so. My advice to you is to watch less TV, read the Internet more, there is a lot of independent information. Especially avoid shows such as Solovyov, Skobennikova and others.
            2. +27
              21 June 2018 12: 04
              Medvedev is a representative of bourgeois, pro-Western clans. Putin is a representative of pro-Russian clans. ,,
              yes, you won’t get bored, what kind of pro-Russian are those who have money, families, businesses in the West? Is this a disease of those who voted for Putin. Holy faith, and there is no time to look at things?
            3. +17
              21 June 2018 13: 10
              Quote: Boris55
              The Medvedevskys dream of selling Russia at a higher price, the Putin's dream of making Russia independent. There can be no talk about any one team!

              Alexandra Romanov, relocate.
              1. +4
                21 June 2018 15: 42
                Quote: True
                Quote: Boris55
                The Medvedevskys dream of selling Russia at a higher price, the Putin's dream of making Russia independent. There can be no talk about any one team!

                Alexandra Romanov, relocate.

                This is for us personally Evgeny Fedorov granted)))
            4. +15
              21 June 2018 15: 01
              Putin's - make Russia independent
              And what is stopping you?
            5. +16
              21 June 2018 16: 27
              Clinic. Blinders on the eyes? Well, judging by such comments, it seems very sincere, it turns out for the gentlemen to divide and rule. They believe in a good king .......
            6. +12
              21 June 2018 19: 22



              so big and believe in fairy tales lol
            7. +11
              21 June 2018 23: 55
              Quote: Boris55
              Medvedev is a representative of bourgeois, pro-Western clans. Putin is the representative of pro-Russian clans. They have completely opposite intentions about Russia. The Medvedevskys dream of selling Russia at a higher price, the Putin’s dream of making Russia independent. There can be no talk about any one team!

              It's just some kind of thriller! A white, furry patriot Putin surrounded by a cabinet who wants to sell mother Russia for cheap! It seems like an adult, but such a dense crap, even a child will not write, but you sew escho.
          2. +7
            21 June 2018 10: 21
            Quote: solzh
            Quote: Boris55
            Medvedev is guilty. What does Putin have to do with it?

            This is one team. They are doing the same thing. Medvedev is a continuation of Putin. Medvedev voices the most radical decisions, and Putin watches how people relate to this and then comes up with a different proposal, as a result of which he becomes good. The usual game of good and bad.

            I agree, according to the constitution, Putin V.V. appoints the prime minister of the government - this is his exclusive right. it is clear that their majority in the Duma of the Russian Federation affirms this prime minister.
          3. +16
            21 June 2018 15: 13
            Is he stupid, do you think the guarantor is? He himself could not appreciate and understand the reaction of the people to such a proposal on the age of retirement? Then he must admit that he occupies this post by misunderstanding.
            1. +3
              21 June 2018 15: 19
              Quote: NordUral
              Is he stupid, do you think the guarantor is? He himself could not appreciate and understand the reaction of the people to such a proposal on the age of retirement?

              Excuse me, who wrote the bill? Guarantor?
              Pending a bill where? At the guarantor?
              So what did you molest him? Or do not know the words of others? wink
              1. +15
                21 June 2018 19: 54
                Oh my god, woke up? How cleverly you fake me, defenders of Putin, I'm sitting and sad.
                1. +2
                  21 June 2018 23: 45
                  Quote: NordUral
                  Oh my god, woke up?

                  So I do not sleep during the day. Just at work, a pause happened. While the "two-handed saw worked," I went over the comments ... Yours just delighted me good
                  Quote: NordUral
                  Putin's defender

                  Who! I AM? Oh well ... I myself laughing
                  But what I wrote there is the most complete truth, if you want - challenge wink
                  Quote: NordUral
                  I'm sitting and sad

                  Well, I'm not so good to you to rush to console you. Sad further.
                  PS: A cool support group! For an empty, in general, the comment “catch” six likes - this is “livejournal” obviously for good reason Yes
                  1. +7
                    22 June 2018 14: 25
                    Like Eugene put for the fact that he is an adequate person, for the fact that he thinks and draws the right conclusions, and you like Jack put for what, for stupidity?
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        3. +7
          21 June 2018 10: 15
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: iury.vorgul
          I completely agree with you. Putin said so: "The goal of the government is to improve people's lives." The whole question is who they (including Putin) are considered people. Most of the population of Russia is not among them.

          First, decide which of them is the boss for whom, and which subordinate is the one who writes the laws (Medvedev) or the one who enforces them (Putin)?
          And for reference. In raising gas prices Medvedev is guilty. In raising the retirement age Medvedev is guilty. What does Putin have to do with it?

          Because V.V. Putin, in accordance with the Constitution of Russia, has appointed D.A. , and the pocket Duma, of course, approved it.
          1. +1
            21 June 2018 10: 18
            Quote: MKPU-115
            and the pocket Duma, of course, approved it.

            And the pocket Duma of Medvedev would not have approved anyone else.
            1. +19
              21 June 2018 10: 28
              Quote: Boris55
              And the pocket Duma of Medvedev would not have approved anyone else.

              approved and more with the songs! Why the hell then Russian prosecutors, tax officials? Parasites, it turns out?
              1. 0
                21 June 2018 16: 28
                Quote: Silvestr
                approved and more with songs

                That is unlikely...
                Quote: Silvestr
                Why the hell then Russian prosecutors, tax officials? Parasites, it turns out?

                What side is this phrase to
                Quote: Boris55
                Medvedev’s pocket Duma would not have approved anyone else

                Either the skis don’t ride, or I’m riding ... or you laughing
                1. +5
                  21 June 2018 23: 38
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Either the skis don’t ride, or I’m riding ... or you

                  Yeah! Everyone is going. I say that this Duma will approve anyone submitted by the GDP with great joy. And a tax officer, a scout or "show masks" can always come to dissent. stop
                  1. 0
                    21 June 2018 23: 41
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    And a tax officer, a scout or "show masks" can always come to dissent

                    In ... now only your logic was understood ... otherwise I was thinking - I’ll sleep well laughing
                    I won’t argue with you, but to me it’s completely different request
        4. BAI
          +19
          21 June 2018 10: 48
          And for reference. Medvedev is guilty of raising gas prices. Medvedev is guilty of raising the retirement age. What does Putin have to do with it?

          Who put Medvedev to the post? And do not say that Medvedev himself invented everything without consulting with the person who appointed him.
        5. +17
          21 June 2018 11: 39
          Dear Boris. ".. What does Putin have to do with it? ..." Indeed, with that. This evil Medvedev and his entourage (i.e. the government) determine the economic and financial policies in Russia. But Vladimir Putin knows nothing about this. And no one to open his eyes to the activities of this group. Enemies everywhere, everywhere conspiracy. In what difficult conditions does GDP have to work. Some analogies of not so distant events come to mind: "..." He was misled ....., "said the prosecutor, analyzing Serdyukov’s testimony as part of an episode in the case of the sale of land ..."
        6. +13
          21 June 2018 13: 07
          Boris, do I have a question? Have you served in the armed forces? Are you familiar with governing laws or are you joking? If an “order” to me had brought an order for a signature that was not authorized, what do you think I would do with it? To begin with, I would have "dunked", then I thought about his compliance with his position. I would have hung him with penalties as a “New Year tree” and in the “national economy”. True, to be honest, no matter who stands behind him. So, who is stopping Putin from removing Medvedev, announce the list?
          1. +1
            22 June 2018 05: 44
            Finally. First you need to ask: who is behind DAM.
            1. +1
              22 June 2018 14: 40
              A good question about the army, it’s just the boss who is responsible for the actions of his subordinates. By the way, almost everywhere this is so, therefore, Putin is responsible for everything, and not just for successes and achievements.
              1. +2
                22 June 2018 14: 55
                Yes everything is correct. I read five minutes ago:
                Vladimir Putin appointed him as his volunteer adviser. Yumashev also held this position in the late 90s under President Boris Yeltsin - after he left the post of head of his administration
                Read more at RBC:
                https://www.rbc.ru/politics/22/06/2018/5b2cceef9a
                79477e458c79a7? Utm_source = gismeteo & utm_medium
                = news & utm_campaign = gism_top2
                It got even sadder. What will Putin’s apologists say to this?
          2. +1
            22 June 2018 14: 36
            Nobody bothers Putin to remove Dimon, but Dimon Putin is completely satisfied. Dimon is a man run by Putin and Putin knows that Dimon will not sell him. Up there everyone is tied.
            Why is the elite closed and keeps new people out? And because the main theme is that they steal there, spread the state budget. A new person can burn this shop. He comes in, says: “So, let's work,” - and looks - everyone is digging. He says: "So you rub here!" - "Quiet, what are you!" - they say in response. "Oh, how so, but what about the interests of the country, but what about the people, development, economic growth, the leap in innovation?" - "Wait, don’t make so much noise that you don’t see? People are busy!"
            This is the main reason that the power Olympus is barricaded, the hatch is brewed, there are no social elevators and cannot be, because there is a main secret: they steal and do not let anyone in.
        7. +3
          21 June 2018 13: 13
          They told you that this is all one team.
        8. +7
          21 June 2018 16: 37
          Despite the fact that Putin Medvedev has appointed to the post. The commander is responsible for all actions of subordinates. With him, and demand.
        9. +8
          21 June 2018 18: 03
          Quote: Boris55
          Medvedev is guilty. What does Putin have to do with it?

          Unless the “evil” track and the “good” track are in the same building, wear the same epaulettes and have the same xivas in their pockets.
          Without thieves "allegories" - the President-elect represents the composition of the government. And he repeatedly stated that he was pleased with the work of the government. The bug-eyed barbel of “MEN” will of course claim that Putin does not deal with pension issues and other nonsense. That's right. He doesn’t sleep nights in the Kremlin, he builds America. Like Stalin. By the way, he is "guilty" of everything that was going on in the country, here Putin is "not blundered"
        10. +1
          21 June 2018 18: 24
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: iury.vorgul
          I completely agree with you. Putin said so: "The goal of the government is to improve people's lives." The whole question is who they (including Putin) are considered people. Most of the population of Russia is not among them.

          First, decide which of them is the boss for whom, and which subordinate is the one who writes the laws (Medvedev) or the one who enforces them (Putin)?
          And for reference. In raising gas prices Medvedev is guilty. In raising the retirement age Medvedev is guilty. What does Putin have to do with it?

          “Guilty Medvedev” Guilty determines only the court. Or are you one for all? laughing
    2. +63
      21 June 2018 07: 33
      Somehow we are already used to the fact that every four years the population’s deposits are subject to more than double degreasing. This has been the case since the time of Yeltsin. It seems that the presidential term was also increased from 4 to 6 years, and four years (the expropriation of the expropriated) is already an established tradition. Now they decided to rob the people in a big way (also four years after the previous one). Yes, okay, the people are silent and enduring, used to, however. But pension reform is not so much a robbery of the century. It is changing our entire social order that has developed in all families over the past almost 100 years. Five generations have passed. Family relations grandfather, grandmother - children - grandchildren. And the most interesting thing is that one of the most important guidelines was the retirement age. Everyone could plan family relationships for decades to come, given the help of parents in raising and caring for children. And they try to ruin this existing way of life, shake it to the ground. And for what? For the sake of profit, a handful of oligarchs. They are trying to convince us that this is a global trend. Yes, do not care about this trend if it dramatically worsens the rights of Russian citizens, whose ancestors, at the cost of life, sought a fair right to a well-deserved rest in old age. But the authorities do not mention the world practice of collecting taxes on the profits of owners of factories, newspapers, ships, where it reaches 50%. Whom do you cover, gentlemen, capitalist ministers? The second lie is about changing the proportion of workers and retirees. In the late 90s, the ratio was 1,64, now 1,68. These tsifiri were voiced by the leader of Just Russia Mironov. And here he does not dissemble. The current sales statistics are cunning, because they are meaner than the most vile lies. winked
      To the author of the article, Respect! hi
      1. +33
        21 June 2018 07: 57
        Thanks to Skomorokhov for the article. They were waiting for the championship to begin, so that it would pass unnoticed by this tune. Anti-people government. There are no words. We did everything according to Darwin: A senior citizen is the pinnacle of the life chain ... And to become one, you have to go through natural selection.
        1. +26
          21 June 2018 10: 30
          Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Senior Citizen - Top of the Life Chain ..

          Nowadays, pension is an agreement with the state. What did the state tell us? “I do not trust you, you are not prudent, you will be old and weak, you will not be able to work, you will start hanging around in the garbage dumps, spoil my appearance. Therefore, I forcibly take money from you every month. No, not for good. When you live to 55/60, I, the state, will start to return this money to you in portions. And I will pay them to you, even if your own deductions are already over. But if you die prematurely, then all your money burns out! ”

          And now they tell you that the contract has changed. Dates are postponed. That is, the chances of getting your (yours!) Money back from you have sharply decreased.

          In other words, this is a banal kid. Fraud.
          1. 0
            21 June 2018 21: 29
            Quote: Silvestr
            Nowadays, pension is an agreement with the state. What did the state tell us? “I do not trust you, you are not prudent, you will be old and weak, you will not be able to work, you will start hanging around in the garbage dumps, spoil my appearance. Therefore, I forcibly take money from you every month. No, not for good. When you live to 55/60, I, the state, will start to return this money to you in portions. And I will pay them to you, even if your own deductions are already over. But if you die prematurely, then all your money burns out! ”

            You will excuse me, dear forum users, but unfortunately I will add a huge fly in the ointment in your slender discussions about pensions - and so, according to everyone who wrote above, you transfer money to the pension fund! Are you sure?
            "... Each employer in a month must calculate and deal with the transfer of contributions for workers to the FIU. In addition to the Pension Fund, it is also worth making contributions to the bodies of the FSS and FFOMS ...It is worth remembering here that the employer must make pension and other types of deductions from his own funds, and he does not have the right to deduct these amounts from the employee’s salary. As for pension contributions, they are divided into two categories: insurance pension and funded ...""...Monthly, for each employee, the employer must transfer to the Federal Tax Service (from 2017) insurance premiums for mandatory pension and medical insurance at a rate of 22% and 5,1%, respectively ..."If someone does not understand, the company transfers from its funds!
            And now the attention is the question - WHY DO YOU ALL DECIDE THAT THE ENTERPRISE DOES NOT PAY THESE CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE STATE THESE MONEY WILL BE PAID TO YOU? !!!!!!!!
            1. 0
              21 June 2018 23: 56
              Quote: AndreyS
              ... If someone does not understand, the company transfers from its funds! ... And now, attention to the question - WHY DOES IT ALL OF YOU DECIDE THAT THE ENTERPRISE DOES NOT PAY THESE CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE STATE THESE MONEY WILL BE PAYED TO YOU? !!!!!!!!

              I do not understand. What are the funds of the enterprise? I will add you a fly in the ointment - all these contributions are made from the payroll. And now the attention is the question: - how is the payroll formed? !!! And now, regarding the payments of the enterprise to the state - have you heard anything about personal income tax, and not only that? And then there’s a quick question on the example of the work of the private security companies: - why does the security guard, having the salary accrued in the column (at the rate of 100 rubles per hour) receive a salary at the rate of maximum 75 rubles per hour?
              Quote: AndreyS
              It is worth remembering here that the employer must make pension and other types of deductions from his own funds, and he does not have the right to deduct these amounts from the employee’s salary.

              You have strange ideas about the economy. Only one enterprise in the world can work this way - this is the US Federal Reserve. Well, maybe the one you personally lead. And what do you think, why are gray salaries so attractive for the employer and employee?
              1. +1
                22 June 2018 22: 44
                Quote: V. Salama
                You have strange ideas about the economy. Only one enterprise in the world can work this way - this is the US Federal Reserve. Well, maybe the one you personally lead. And what do you think, why are gray salaries so attractive for the employer and employee?

                I want to draw your attention, dear Vladimir, that this is not my opinion, but economists and lawyers. https://101zakon.ru/pensii/vyplaty/otchislenija-v
                -pensionnyj-fond /
                And if it’s not difficult, please explain what a payroll is! ????
      2. +8
        21 June 2018 08: 02
        Specialist in statistics .... The fact of the robbery did not lead at all. And the author has one fact - an increase in the state duty on a passport. Pettiness unworthy of adult men. Denigrate the government and your country, for the sake of (to whom?) ........
        1. +41
          21 June 2018 08: 10
          Quote: Victor N
          Denigrate the government and your country, for the sake of (to whom?) ........

          Power discredits itself. After the election, gasoline was raised at 5 rubles at a time, VAT was raised at 2%, and the retirement age would soon be raised. And all this is happening under the smokescreen of the World Cup. And you probably have enough bread and circuses.
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          2. +3
            21 June 2018 09: 59
            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            After the election, they raised gasoline by 5 rubles at a time, raised VAT by 2%, and will soon raise their retirement age.

            Russia is rapidly aging, so raising the retirement age is an objective process, otherwise there will be no one to fill the Pension Fund.
            Oil is growing in price in the world, and gasoline is growing. The fact that it was growing and when prices fell was yes, a question for solution.
            From outside, not from Russia, the actions of the authorities, in general, seem to be quite adequate to the situation
            And the magic wand, as the distinguished Roman correctly noted, is NOT present at anyone, incl. Putin too.
            1. +21
              21 June 2018 10: 27
              Quote: Olgovich
              Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
              After the election, they raised gasoline by 5 rubles at a time, raised VAT by 2%, and will soon raise their retirement age.

              Russia is rapidly aging, so raising the retirement age is an objective process, otherwise there will be no one to fill the Pension Fund.
              Oil is growing in price in the world, and gasoline is growing. The fact that it was growing and when prices fell was yes, a question for solution.
              From outside, not from Russia, the actions of the authorities, in general, seem to be quite adequate to the situation
              And the magic wand, as the distinguished Roman correctly noted, is NOT present at anyone, incl. Putin too.

              Magic wand (offhand):
              1. At the legislative level, cover offshore;
              2. Differentiated tax.
              But this is a “blow” to friends.
              Therefore, gentlemen, the capitalists decided to strip the poor, the population of the Russian Federation is necessary for the sake of their economy. If you don’t bring them, you must die.
              1. +2
                21 June 2018 10: 41
                Quote: MKPU-115
                1. At the legislative level, cover offshore;
                2. Differentiated tax.

                This will NOT abolish the aging of the population and the need to raise pensions. age.
                It is obvious!
                1. +14
                  21 June 2018 10: 55
                  Dear Olgovich !!! Raising the retirement age is possible only with the appropriate infrastructure, which is not available in Russia. If you take the same data from France, Germany, etc. which the government points to us, then I'm sorry if they have an average of 6 hours of working day and, strangely enough, they have longer vacation days. I have to produce 420-430 hours a month.
                  1. +3
                    21 June 2018 14: 57
                    Quote: Nehist
                    I have to produce hours per 420-430 per month.

                    With all due respect, but with the development of 420-430 hours per month, there is no time left on the Internet. I worked out - I know. But this is if it works, of course.
                    1. +3
                      21 June 2018 16: 05
                      Learn what I can tell you !!! There is no limit to perfection
                  2. +1
                    21 June 2018 21: 59
                    Quote: Nehist
                    If you take the same data from France, Germany, etc. which the government points to us, then I'm sorry if they have an average of 6 hours of working day and, oddly enough, they have longer days off. I have to produce 420-430 hours a month.

                    Oh dear, you grabbed a little !!!! If I remember TC correctly, then a citizen can be forced to work a week for no more than 40 hours (everything else is overtime). Now we count the month - 160 hours (this is not an exact calculation), so we look monthly at the production calendar and it says - correctly in the first quarter of 2018, you should have beaten 446 hours.
                    Well, we can calculate how many hours we have in a month (not working, but in general) - 744. That is, Do you work 31 days for 14 hours? I know only one place where so many work - this is my own enterprise. If this is not your own company, then feel free to go to the prosecutor or sue your employer!
                    Now about France and other countries:
                    "... Working hours in different countries:
                    Netherlands - 30,5 hours.
                    Finland - 33 hours.
                    France - 35 hours.
                    Ireland - 35,3 hours.
                    USA - 34,5 hours (the work week was reduced due to the global economic crisis).
                    Denmark - 37 hours. In government offices, a 30-minute lunch break is included in office hours.
                    Germany - 38 hours.
                    Norway - 39 hours.
                    Bulgaria, Estonia, Italy, Poland, Portugal, Romania - 40 hours.
                    Greece, Austria, Israel - 43 hours.
                    United Kingdom - an average of 43,7 hours.
                    Argentina - 44 hours, of which four are on Saturday.
                    Mexico, Peru, India, Colombia, Nepal, Thailand - 48 hours.
                    Japan - 50 hours.
                    China - 60 hours.

                    http://www.aif.ru/dontknows/actual/1354251 ..."
                    Further retirement age:
                    "...Where? What is the retirement threshold? What is the life expectancy in the country?
                    M. Zh.
                    In Japan 70 70 82
                    In Denmark 67 67 78
                    To Norway 67 67 79
                    In the USA 65 65 78
                    In Germany 67 67 79
                    In Canada 65 65 81
                    In Spain 65 65 80
                    In Sweden 65 65 80
                    In Switzerland 65 64 80
                    In Armenia 65 63 72
                    In Belgium 65 62 79
                    In the UK 68 60 79
                    In Italy 67 65 80
                    In Poland, 65 bo 76
                    In Georgia 65 60 76
                    In France 67 65 81
                    In Kazakhstan 63 58 67
                    In Lithuania 62 58 74
                    In Hungary 62 62 73
                    In the Czech Republic 62 62 76
                    In Azerbaijan 62 57 66
                    In Moldova 62 57 70
                    In Russia 60 55 66
                    In Ukraine 60 55 68
                    In Belarus 60 55 70
                    In Uzbekistan, 60 55 72 ... "
                    Duration of vacation:
                    "...Duration of holidays in different countries, including public holidays: 1. Brazil, Lithuania - 41 2. Finland, France, Russia - 40 3. Austria, Malta - 38 4. Greece - 37 5. Japan, Poland, Spain, Sweden, Great Britain - 36 6. Cyprus, Luxembourg, Norway, Portugal, Slovakia - 35 7. Denmark, South Korea - 34 8. Hungary, Slovenia, South Africa - 33. 9. Czech Republic, Latvia - 32 10. Italy, New Zealand - 31 11. Belgium, Germany, Romania -30 12. Ireland, Switzerland - 29 13. Australia, India, Netherlands, Taiwan - 28. 14. Hong Kong - 26 15. USA, Singapore - 25 16. China - 21 17. Canada - 19 ..."
                    https://studwood.ru/850965/pravo/ezhegodnye_oplac
                    hivaemye_otpuska_raznyh_stranah
                    Well, something so respected !!!!
                2. +2
                  21 June 2018 15: 12
                  the need to raise pensions. age
                  recently everyone was afraid of robots that robots would deprive people of work. So maybe the need for another to keep the super-profit?
                3. +3
                  21 June 2018 15: 15
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  This will NOT abolish an aging population

                  What about a moratorium on abortion?
                  But for this, the state needs to take care of the free infrastructure for the younger generation, and this is practically socialism, and it:
                  The capitalist elite of capitalist Russia.

                  That’s the whole point. request
                4. +4
                  21 June 2018 17: 42
                  Do you understand that this measure does not solve the problem? Yes, it allows you to temporarily plug a hole in the budget, but the hole is growing. And what can you adherents of capitalism offer as a real solution to the problem?
            2. +24
              21 June 2018 10: 33
              Quote: Olgovich
              the actions of the authorities, in general, seem to be quite adequate

              Medvedev’s government is not capable of any effective economic policy. People do not work there, they earn. Only the pipe helped them out. But now even rising oil prices are not saving. And pension reform will not save. And tax increases. Introduced pension points, canceled pension points. Money was spent on all these reforms. Who is specifically responsible for this? Has someone sat down? Someone at least shamefully expelled from public service?
              Though their useful business for the people name?
            3. +18
              21 June 2018 11: 15
              Quote: Olgovich
              Russia is rapidly aging, so raising the retirement age is an objective process, otherwise there will be no one to fill the Pension Fund

              I have a counter replica
              Nabiullina estimated the cost of the reorganization of the Discovery, Binbank and Promsvyazbank at 1,5 trillion rubles
        2. +11
          21 June 2018 09: 27
          Quote: Victor N
          the author has one fact - an increase in the state duty on a passport.

          This is not a fact, as you put it, it is a reflection of the capitalist nature of oligarchic power. Little by little, little by little, to raise prices for everything, thereby replacing the budget deficit, while leaving the salary at the same level.
        3. +18
          21 June 2018 09: 28
          Quote: Victor N
          And the author has one fact - an increase in the state duty on a passport

          you're not right:
          - gasoline
          VAT tax
          - e-commerce tax
          - utilities
        4. +4
          21 June 2018 09: 43
          Quote: Victor N
          for the sake of (to whom?) ........

          Bulk to Leha! We love only when we are stroking the wool! As soon as it comes to the fact that we something must be done for the country, so robbers and traitors are around here! We want to live in a strong and powerful country, but no one wants to give up anything!
          1. +14
            21 June 2018 13: 10
            As soon as it comes to the fact that we have to do something for the country


            And for the country?
          2. 0
            21 June 2018 23: 47
            actually tried to convey -Navalny, the Kremlin’s project.
        5. +17
          21 June 2018 13: 15
          Denigrate the government and your country, for the sake of (to whom?) ........
          You do not put power with the people in one basket. Our power is thievish and deceitful, give an example? And the people are patient and hardworking. I can agree that there are exceptions here and there, but they are not significant ...
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        7. +4
          21 June 2018 18: 14
          Quote: Victor N
          Pettiness unworthy of adult men.

          Offer to throw them a pension as a glove in the face? "I don’t need your handouts."
          Quote: Victor N
          Denigrate the government and your country, for the sake of (to whom?)

          Until the “Russian spring,” there was no illusion about power. They got used to the fact that they are robbing, but they handed over the country. And now (oh, a miracle!) The Crimea happened, and everything further after it, and we had an amazing unity: after all, both of them love, it turns out to be the Motherland. Of course, as I wanted to believe in it - that’s what happened. Damn it, but at least temporarily stop fumbling in our leaky pockets !!! NO!!! Denigrate, power and country, oh, denigrate! Obama called, asked to denigrate. (Trump could not, he is OTHER, only hides, he also has a HITCHEN PLAN)
      3. +2
        21 June 2018 08: 48
        Quote: siberalt
        These tsifiri were voiced by the leader of Just Russia Mironov. And here he does not dissemble.

        Why such confidence?
        Quote: siberalt
        Family relations grandfather, grandmother - children - grandchildren. And the most interesting thing is that one of the most important guidelines was the retirement age.

        This has stopped working since the majority of the population began to live in cities. For grandparents rarely live next door to their children. That is why it was necessary to massively build kindergartens under the Soviet regime and introduce leave to care for a child. The reference point for retirement ... In fact, from the birth of grandchildren to the exit of a grandmother (women retire earlier), it goes from 5 to 10 years. Orienting on a grandmother's pension can now either late children, or those who decided to give birth after 30. So it is at this point that pension reform will have a minimal impact.
    3. +13
      21 June 2018 09: 02
      Roman Skomorokhov, you are growing as an author.
      but do you have an answer to the hackneyed Russian question “What to do?”
      leaving the current system is the road to nowhere.
      and change it bloodlessly does not work.
      ps and Putin is just a brand of the system that he built himself.
      1. +20
        21 June 2018 09: 54
        but do you have an answer to the hackneyed Russian question “What to do?”


        What's the point? They gave us a recipe, so we forgot it. "Proletarians, unite" - write something on everyone’s forehead with something green? Why immediately "bloodless will not work"? What, the hard workers of Munich or Paris are on strike with machine guns? Try to fire a teacher drunk in Philadelphia - it won’t work, the union willn’t. They will drag them through the courts, they will hire lawyers, but they will not give up theirs. True, the authorities will try to slip their Gapons, so we must choose the union leaders themselves.
        So in developed bourgeoisie - they don’t take off power, but simply cut back their appetites. For the sake of interest, compare the number of strikes in well-fed Finland (yes, in any European country) this year with us.
        1. +1
          21 June 2018 11: 44
          Quote: dauria
          Try to fire a teacher drunk in Philadelphia - it won’t work, the union willn’t. They will drag them through the courts, they will hire lawyers, but they will not give up theirs. True, the authorities will try to slip their Gapons, so we must choose the union leaders themselves.
          I humbly remind you that from the moment when trade union leaders were massively killed there in the United States and until relative settling down, about 50 years ...
          Ready to wait?
          1. 0
            21 June 2018 17: 49
            Quote: your1970
            Ready to wait?

            good Yes good
            1. 0
              27 June 2018 13: 49
              Quote: your1970
              I humbly remind you that from the moment when trade union leaders were massively killed there in the United States and until they were relatively settled, it took about 50 years ...
              Ready to wait?

              And when the presidents began to choose there, do not remind? And correct the waiting period in this regard!
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Quote: your1970
              Ready to wait?

              How much do they pay a programmer without logical thinking?
        2. +5
          21 June 2018 15: 22
          Quote: dauria
          They gave us a recipe, so we forgot it. "Workers Unite"

          This is true not to take away not to add.
          It is necessary to restore the Soviets of the working people and control the capitalists at this stage so that they do not go astray, but we'll see.
        3. +1
          21 June 2018 18: 19
          Offer a case, of course. Although not a panacea, very good. to put it mildly. Unions are also a tool, a club. And far from working. Mafia, for example.
      2. 0
        21 June 2018 17: 44
        Quote: KLV2018
        Putin is just a brand, of the system that he himself built.

        And the others stood nearby? That you are attached to Putin, look deeper.
    4. +13
      21 June 2018 09: 13
      And you can’t argue!
      Well it comes out of them!
      The right hand of Vekselberg with the tacit consent of foresters cuts down the protected forests of Podmoskoia:
      http://www.compromat.ru/page_39233.htm
      Terry propagandists like Kiselev drive a mantra into the crazy brains of the people about the need to raise their retirement age and taxes.
      These are just flowers, ghouls from the oligarchic government, dancing to the tune of the IMF and the Rothschilds, will not be satisfied with the blood of old pensioners.
      Soon they will take up our children.
      1. +18
        21 June 2018 09: 47
        Quote: Comrade Kim
        Soon they will take up our children.

        have long been taken.
      2. +12
        21 June 2018 09: 51
        Quote: Comrade Kim
        Soon they will take up our children.

        We have already taken up the children, but you have not noticed! The sibilizer from Sorez has been working in schools for many years and soon we will get the same anti-children as in Ruin and in large numbers.
      3. +7
        21 June 2018 10: 53
        Class! Having read to Navalny, well, like that he was from the Putin team and, in general, all of himself is an absolute pop Gapon (i.e., as our communists have been drawing him all his life as an agent of the tsarist secret police), I came up with this as strange (terribly tired read similar opuses) mmm ... thought! Well, if the bulk agent Putin is so ?! The author says that yes, and the main proof is that this critic of the regime will not be imprisoned by anyone! So I thought - why is Mr. (Skororokhov) still rather free (comrade)?!?!?! Well, the right word - why?!?!?! See how we all here are very clearly explained who Putin is and with whom he is on the same team! Further ... And then we were all sold, robbed and all this Putin - Yeltsin - Chubais clique ... generally live at our expense !!! By the way, Skomorokhov already adds Zyuganov to this clique!))) This bravo is the only strong passage in the article! Of course Zyuganov, our famous fighter for national happiness with his oligarchic collective farmer, whose cabinet is covered in Lenin’s busts, and the Western banks in his “collective farm” money have managed so that he can only be written to Putin’s team!))) Once again, Skomorokhov’s bravo ! Well, I have a question - so why if Navalny had been an honest fighter for a long time, he had to be imprisoned as an honest man, but Mr. Skomorokhov could quite possibly write such a letter to VO in prison! Notice, and he writes with milk, poured into the inkwell from the crumb of bread, cautiously looking around at the peephole in the cell door! Moreover, it wasn’t even delivered in the revolutionary newspaper Iskra, as it is not legal in Russia! What does this get comrades ?! How to be gentlemen ?! Especially after such a cunning call of Skomorokhov to all of us - to grow wiser ?! Turning to the person (well, the author says - child, and from a child, what to take)))) I will wave my children’s hands and legs and yet I will say - our dear author has a state of border with megalomania! The children are around him, the legs and arms with which they wave all in tears and all that they expect from the author! Well, it’s kind of like smart!))) But there’s not smart at all - they’re waiting for stars ... Imagine! Comrade Skomorokhov must be kinder to people! And you already branded the believers as you say, which, contrary to the precepts of your church (if it isn’t yours, then you shouldn’t touch it), you created Putin’s Idol! The church is not yours and the person you mean is not a believer, but judge the observance or non-observance by the faithful of the covenants of the church ... Regarding to judge or not to judge, there is another covenant so that you should not be offended by a comment from my side! Well, that’s if you are of course an adult and thinker, and don’t go with arms and legs, tears and insults! And the last. That's what I was particularly amused by the author’s naive seeding towards offended readers (these though I hope are smart and not children) regarding the adoption by the Duma of a law on increasing the state duty on issuing a passport and state registration of vehicles ...)))) And these laws hit our people hard ?! Strongly strong ?!)))) The people have a lot of cars and people regularly travel abroad ?! And all this in the conditions of predatory capitalism ?!)))) Yes, what are you saying!
        1. +3
          21 June 2018 23: 52
          and who only puts advantages to you ..- cartoons? wassat
    5. +6
      21 June 2018 09: 35
      Quote: Vard
      People do not understand one thing ... The purpose of the government is not that we would live better ... But that they would ... Live better ...

      And they never said that we would live well. They always said that we will live better.
    6. +4
      21 June 2018 10: 21
      You will live better, only when you make an effort to do it yourself, it is difficult, but possible.
      1. +21
        21 June 2018 11: 52
        VADIM Do not try to reduce everything to the passages of Jack Golovan and Turbris - “start with yourself” What efforts a person can make. living in the outback? Look at the map of our country. and then try to take the land. well. for example, for rent. Let's see how you get it. Resettlers from South America. Old Believers. moved to Siberia. they were given land for rent. 49 years old Do officials have a mind? These courageous people. moved from the warm edges. those who restored the abandoned village should have been completely exempted from taxes. to hold the light for them. and it’s gracious to them --- rent. To at least understand something. drive through the villages of central Russia. take a look. where you can "make an effort"
        1. +1
          21 June 2018 13: 17
          At least the same as the granny, who lives in the Volgograd region, has been growing and selling seedlings for several years, during the season he raises more than a million in this business - a plot of 57 acres. One man organized a repair of fuel equipment at home - they bring him a fuel pump, injectors, almost from all over the region.
      2. +5
        21 June 2018 12: 16
        And the goal of any normal state or aspiring to normal national interests is to create such conditions under which a person, having made certain efforts, could achieve an improvement in his life, his family! But all the same, some upheavals happen after us, which again we create something practically from scratch! Naturally, no improvement in life occurs, but deterioration is necessary! Skomorokhov invites everyone to grow wiser and look for a leader looking around! Saying that capitalism again robbed us all, which way the author himself looks, there is no doubt either! The only question is what is this ?! Stalinism or Trotskyism ?! Although there is not much difference for most of them. The meaning is clear. Consequences, too, may not be calculated only by a clinical nonsense! So, in case of a successful (God forbid!) Situation for the next "great revolution", everyone can unanimously reckon on the 1st and 2nd. The first will be the builders of communism with burning eyes and in budenovki sewn for the victory parade of the army of the Russian Empire in Berlin! The second, at best, will receive a shovel in their hands and go on construction, some great construction site or a turn of the river, partially naturally they will be sent to another world! Someone in doubt? Of course there will be dissenters at all! So that the Tambov uprising and retreat to the Crimea to help them! Well, if a miracle happens, well, it happens, and it all goes away bloodlessly, anyway, the deterioration in the standard of living will come to you for so many years ... they will explain it by the struggle against the remnants of the Putin regime and all sorts of intrigues of enemies, but in the meantime everything is again fall apart, like last time! Do you know why? And everything is never divided at all! Can you imagine? Generally! These fabulous stories do not work in real life! Always someone will get less or not at all! And again there will be enemies of the people! And then if everything is taken and divided, then what will remain for Russia ?! Well, I don’t know, or someone likes to consider himself the owner of a collective farm, when there is still a chairman and head of the district and a party and ... But there’s nothing of his own anyway!
        1. +15
          21 June 2018 17: 52
          Do not write anymore you upset me with your stupidity. Again, this cheap stupid demagogy and anti-Soviet screeches, screams and snot.
        2. +7
          21 June 2018 21: 43
          Quote: Oper
          And the goal of any normal state or aspiring to normal national interests is to create such conditions under which a person, having made certain efforts, could achieve an improvement in his life, his family! But all the same, some upheavals happen after us, which again we create something practically from scratch! Naturally, no improvement in life occurs, but deterioration is necessary! Skomorokhov invites everyone to grow wiser and look for a leader looking around! Saying that capitalism again robbed us all, which way the author himself looks, there is no doubt either! The only question is what is this ?! Stalinism or Trotskyism ?! Although there is not much difference for most of them. The meaning is clear. Consequences, too, may not be calculated only by a clinical nonsense! So, in case of a successful (God forbid!) Situation for the next "great revolution", everyone can unanimously reckon on the 1st and 2nd. The first will be the builders of communism with burning eyes and in budenovki sewn for the victory parade of the army of the Russian Empire in Berlin! The second, at best, will receive a shovel in their hands and go on construction, some great construction site or a turn of the river, partially naturally they will be sent to another world! Someone in doubt? Of course there will be dissenters at all! So that the Tambov uprising and retreat to the Crimea to help them! Well, if a miracle happens, well, it happens, and it all goes away bloodlessly, anyway, the deterioration in the standard of living will come to you for so many years ... they will explain it by the struggle against the remnants of the Putin regime and all sorts of intrigues of enemies, but in the meantime everything is again fall apart, like last time! Do you know why? And everything is never divided at all! Can you imagine? Generally! These fabulous stories do not work in real life! Always someone will get less or not at all! And again there will be enemies of the people! And then if everything is taken and divided, then what will remain for Russia ?! Well, I don’t know, or someone likes to consider himself the owner of a collective farm, when there is still a chairman and head of the district and a party and ... But there’s nothing of his own anyway!

          And whose will you be? Judging by your comments, you are one of those who receive considerable benefits from the existing situation and really do not want to lose it. But only the poor and the poor are much more than gentlemen. And if gentlemen do not decide to turn their faces to the people, history will follow its natural historical path.
        3. 0
          27 June 2018 13: 59
          Quote: Oper
          Stalinism or Trotskyism ?!

          Did you receive a warning for such words?
          I got a warning for Putinism hi
    7. +3
      21 June 2018 13: 00
      Quote: Vard
      People do not understand one thing ...

      it was better already.
    8. +3
      21 June 2018 13: 30
      Quote: Vard
      People do not understand one thing ... The purpose of the government is not that we would live better ... But that they would ... Live better ...

      You criticize - offer !!! Putin is a man of business. Not some kind of populist. And people who are not whiners understand this and vote for him. He does everything right !!!!! Between raising pensions and paying a minuscule, I am FOR raising pensions !!!
  2. +11
    21 June 2018 05: 45
    The novel dramatically changed the tone of his articles. Anger (or malice?) Has become over the edge. In general, I always agree with Roman, but earlier, his articles were easier to read. There was more sarcasm, humor.
    1. +52
      21 June 2018 06: 00
      And here it’s not up to humor and sarcasm. The situation is really sad.
      1. +3
        21 June 2018 10: 20
        Quote: Declarant
        And here it’s not up to humor and sarcasm. The situation is really sad.

        Yes, in our realities there is something to think about. But you should not sprinkle your head with ashes.
        And humor never harmed
      2. +2
        21 June 2018 13: 32
        Quote: Declarant
        And here it’s not up to humor and sarcasm. The situation is really sad.

        This is sad in Syria and the Donbass !!!! And for a moment we have sustained economic growth !!! Whiners already got it, really !!!! Okay they whine themselves, so they are against our pensioners, who will raise pensions, against our beloved old people !!! If only I could afford more !!! If only to work less ... And I will work for the elderly, there is still strength !!!
        1. +7
          21 June 2018 18: 28
          I'm already confused in the nicknames of the "guards". Mari.inet disappeared somewhere, patriotically drowning for raising the age in the style of "I don’t need bread - give me work, I don’t need sun - I have a shining party." But then appeared Semyon 1972.
        2. +5
          21 June 2018 18: 47
          Quote: Semen1972
          And for a moment we have sustained economic growth !!!

          True, eh?
          Quote: Semen1972
          against our retired pensioners, against our beloved old people!

          Yeah, they’ll raise it. Together with the prices.
          Quote: Semen1972
          And I’ll work for the elderly, there is still strength !!

          Who do you work with, if not secret?
          1. +7
            21 June 2018 21: 45
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: Semen1972
            And for a moment we have sustained economic growth !!!

            True, eh?
            Quote: Semen1972
            against our retired pensioners, against our beloved old people!

            Yeah, they’ll raise it. Together with the prices.
            Quote: Semen1972
            And I’ll work for the elderly, there is still strength !!

            Who do you work with, if not secret?

            But what a secret it is. "Daughter" he, "daughter of an officer."
    2. +7
      21 June 2018 06: 23
      Roma is generally an inconsistent type - here, in this article, he changed his shoes (well, or calmed down, thought) - then he “drowned” the sternum with foam and then he suddenly and unflattering spoke about him, speaking on the topic “whose they”, repeating what I repeatedly repeated - they are all smeared there in one world - the corruption-oligarchic system built in the 90s continues to be improved and polished, and all of them, regardless of the party affiliation of its adherents (the exception of one), are just a big trough for some and a trough for others.
      1. +18
        21 June 2018 08: 10
        Quote: forester
        Roma is generally an inconsistent type - here in this article

        Have you heard such a proverb - "Only fools and the dead do not change their minds"? wink
        Hugo said better - "Change your opinions, keep your principles" hi
        1. +5
          21 June 2018 08: 45
          What is the habit of taking a phrase out of context, it makes sense - if you take a quote - take it in its entirety, or that part of it that does not change the meaning - where is my addition in brackets? But no one should call Hugo (for me - I have other authorities) - the huts change their principles and opinion as confused clients.
          1. +10
            21 June 2018 10: 15
            Quote: forester
            huts change their principles and opinions as confused clients.

            This is you in vain, put an equal sign between principles and opinions. I’m sure that you had a completely different opinion about the political system in 15-20 years. A completely different outlook on life (and even on women laughing ) So do not insist on your postulates about huts. wink And Hugo is just one of many wise people who left behind a great legacy. Like Pushkin, Khayam, Mark Twain, and many others .. And only.
            P.S. It seemed to me that you are somewhat emotional. Therefore, I want to remind you the commandment of another great man - "Calm, only calm!" good
          2. +10
            21 June 2018 11: 23
            huts change their principles and opinions as confused clients.

            Remind me how Putin’s opinion about the performance at the Olympics has changed? Or about increasing the retirement period? Why do you call our president so? laughing
        2. +7
          21 June 2018 09: 09
          Have you heard such a proverb - "Only fools and the dead do not change their minds"? wink

          After the mundial, we will find out whether this proverb is suitable for our president.
          1. +10
            21 June 2018 09: 48
            Quote: Vladivostok1969
            Will this proverb fit our president.

            Do not change the horses at the crossing? ”“ And nag and donkeys? ”
            1. +6
              21 June 2018 10: 18
              Quote: Silvestr
              do not change the horses at the crossing?

              Yes, but only if they are not driven. With driven horses, they act differently. And "ours" are a little out of breath, and at the crossing I'm afraid to let you down ..... wassat
      2. +2
        21 June 2018 09: 59
        Quote: forester
        Roma is generally an unstable type - here, in this article, he changed his shoes (well, or calmed down, thought) - then he “drowned” the foam with a sternum and then suddenly it was already unflattering about him

        As he himself admitted:
        It’s enough that flies in the letters. It’s more interesting, people who write are mostly smart[B] [/ b]
        Apparently they wrote something clever, sobering! smile
  3. +21
    21 June 2018 05: 56
    But you need to do something. While there is a choice, like that herd of sheep: either under the knife or under the scissors.
    Anyway, both the knife and the scissors are still in Putin’s hands.
    What will happen next - we'll see. I would like to see.

    I agree in almost everything. But there are no legal methods, transfer of power to anyone other than the "Family" of Putin - Yeltsin - Chubais.
    But the Russian Guard is there, and the memory of the revolution, too, is ... All this is sad.
    1. +16
      21 June 2018 07: 34
      Quote: Bastinda
      All this is sad.

      This is inevitable, everyone understands this perfectly (meaning above) and therefore the process of looting has only accelerated, they have already begun to steal from each other. Further it will be worse. But the explosion will not be from below, when the president dies, the dogs will begin to tear the country to pieces using all means for this. And the one who has his own army in the form of PMCs will get an advantage ...
      1. +6
        21 June 2018 08: 57
        Quote: Puncher
        when the president dies
        you and I are unlikely to live to see this (there is Berlusconi, like a horse gallops, and ours is 20 years older).
      2. +16
        21 June 2018 09: 50
        Quote: Puncher
        But the explosion will not be from below, when the president dies, the dogs will begin to tear the country to pieces using all means for this.

        the result is UKRAINE. But how they laughed at them, gloated. I have been saying for several years that we are moving in the same direction.
    2. +8
      21 June 2018 08: 39
      But there are no legal methods, transfer of power to anyone other than the "Family" of Putin - Yeltsin - Chubais.

      To start.
      Let's try not to vote for representatives of “united Russia” in the September elections
      "I won’t go, because it’s useless," but to go and vote is not for "EP"
      1. +15
        21 June 2018 10: 03
        Quote: passing
        To start.
        Let's try not to vote for representatives of “united Russia” in the September elections

        Golden words!
        And everyone should learn that failure to appear at the September elections is a vote in favor of EP!
    3. +5
      21 June 2018 10: 21
      Poor you poor, want to change again?
      Yes, well, for idiocy in this country is booming !?
      The whole world is aging, the whole world is working longer trying to feed itself and only we, the Russians, want not to get the stove early and so that by pike command ...
      And from boredom you will not die on that stove?
      The problem is the universal desire for a freebie, universal protectionism and mentality - “let the cow die from the neighbor, once he bought it”
      In no country in the world there is such a thing, all co-religionists and people of the same language, when meeting abroad, help each other and pull their own, and only we in our fellow tribesmen feel rivals. That's what you have to fight with! And we understand everything with our minds - raising the retirement age is a forced matter, due to an aging population and an increase in life expectancy. It will happen anyway, but not with us.
      The same thing with gasoline - here to retire at 32, not work and not drive gasoline abroad, to the bastards-oligarchs !!!
      And Putin, so that he would take money from the air, protect us, build an army, have more hospitals and water parks, so that it would be more fun to live.
      Well, for sure, the Ivan fools ...
      Lord, give us patience.
      AND MORE AND FASTER, RIGHT NOW, IMMEDIATELY!
      1. +26
        21 June 2018 11: 19
        And from boredom you will not die on that stove?

        Charming Here he is a true Putin!
        At least for a haircut, even under a knife, voluntarily and with joyful bleating !!! laughing
        1. 0
          21 June 2018 14: 55
          Yes, I'm not Putin. I am Russian and just work.
          Whose will you be? go down marsh, swamp?
          Revolutionary?
          Well, as the Ingush say.
          1. +7
            21 June 2018 15: 07
            No, just thinking. By the way, the opinion that Navalny is also a project of a "pocket opposition" seems to me quite appropriate. What can we say about pocket Zhirinovsky and Zyuganov.
            1. 0
              21 June 2018 16: 01
              thinking?
              Like - I have a thought and I think it?
              Do you engage in criticism or propose what you wanted?
              Or just decided to emphasize their own status? Type anti-Putin!
              Well, stressed, and why? Further thought to chew?
              Good luck ...
              1. +7
                21 June 2018 19: 03
                Quote: Vlad.by
                Further thought to chew?

                Well, chew
                Quote: Vlad.by
                The same thing with gasoline - here to retire at 32, not work and not drive gasoline abroad, to the bastards-oligarchs !!!

                What are you scribbling here, but it is not clear.
              2. +1
                21 June 2018 22: 34
                Today, 16:01 You are foaming like shampoo is not about Yes
      2. +9
        21 June 2018 12: 22
        Quote: Vlad.by
        Poor you poor, want to change again?
        Yes, well, for idiocy in this country is booming !?
        The whole world is aging, the whole world is working longer trying to feed itself and only we, the Russians, want not to get the stove early and so that by pike command ...
        And from boredom you will not die on that stove?
        The problem is the universal desire for a freebie, universal protectionism and mentality - “let the cow die from the neighbor, once he bought it”
        In no country in the world there is such a thing, all co-religionists and people of the same language, when meeting abroad, help each other and pull their own, and only we in our fellow tribesmen feel rivals. That's what you have to fight with! And we understand everything with our minds - raising the retirement age is a forced matter, due to an aging population and an increase in life expectancy. It will happen anyway, but not with us.
        The same thing with gasoline - here to retire at 32, not work and not drive gasoline abroad, to the bastards-oligarchs !!!
        And Putin, so that he would take money from the air, protect us, build an army, have more hospitals and water parks, so that it would be more fun to live.
        Well, for sure, the Ivan fools ...
        Lord, give us patience.
        AND MORE AND FASTER, RIGHT NOW, IMMEDIATELY!

        one question: "Do you earn yourself or get money?"
        1. 0
          21 June 2018 14: 57
          Today it is called a businessman.
          Small company, wholesale + plus small production.
          I earn myself, I do not expect anything from others.
          1. 0
            21 June 2018 22: 27
            Quote: Vlad.by
            Today it is called a businessman.
            Small company, wholesale + plus small production.
            I earn myself, I do not expect anything from others.

            but in the text it seemed that you were getting.
            as the youth says: "Respect to you and respect."
            and thanks for the adequate response. not often here it happens.
      3. +6
        21 June 2018 18: 05
        Speak for yourself, not all such stupid demagogues like you.
        1. 0
          21 June 2018 18: 20
          I speak exclusively for myself.
          Well, for the Power it’s a little annoying, you know
          1. +7
            21 June 2018 18: 24
            Well, okay. Start with yourself once you have described yourself the way you look in our country and the problems will end.
            1. 0
              22 June 2018 14: 22
              Cool tip, thanks.
              I started with myself a long time ago. I work, pay taxes, create jobs and don’t pay that Putin owes me something, like half of the top commentators.
              So do not quite address the advice.
              1. +1
                22 June 2018 16: 41
                Work bad, bad. Better and more for less.
                1. 0
                  22 June 2018 18: 58
                  So show an example! And then you criticize everything from the couch.
                  No bedsores yet?
                  1. +1
                    22 June 2018 19: 43
                    I’ve been showing it all my life. Work loafers, and you understand here they decided to be clever.
  4. +29
    21 June 2018 06: 17
    Have I really lived on Putin's criticism?! A couple of years ago it was unthinkable! Throw rotten tomatoes and curses poured a bucket!
    1. +18
      21 June 2018 07: 29
      Quote: Clever man
      Have I really lived on Putin's criticism?! A couple of years ago it was unthinkable! Throw rotten tomatoes and curses poured a bucket!

      Probably later ignition
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  5. +10
    21 June 2018 06: 19
    "Opinion on opinion." Apparently, the authoritative author is not satisfied with the comments on his past opinion. A little "wrong way" went "popular anger." The main idea: There is Putin and his team - and we must somehow live with this, preferably without massacre. They grumbled at VO - and at work, gardens, offices ...
    1. +8
      21 June 2018 08: 17
      You have a beautiful country that is constantly becoming prettier and stronger! So why not rejoice ?! Not to say a good word to those who benefit? But they write, and often invent something unsightly (robbery - an increase in the state duty on a passport - pah!).
      NEVER have they been able to say a word to those who conceived and built the Crimean bridge (and much more). Well, you (not yourself) do not respect yourself and do not love yourself? Who else will love you?
      1. +9
        21 June 2018 08: 58
        Quote: Victor N
        NEVER have they been able to say a word to those who conceived and built the Crimean bridge (and much more). Well, you (not yourself) do not respect yourself and do not love yourself? Who else will love you?

        You have some kind of short memory. I saw reports on VO on each (!) Stage of the construction of the Crimean bridge. Starting from the project, the first piles, completed sections, ending with a whole heap of articles after the commissioning of the road part.
        Here are a few articles offhand:
        "At least 100 years. Rotenberg guaranteed the longevity of the Crimean bridge"
        "The installation of piles of the railway part of the Crimean bridge has been completed"
        "The highway arch of the Crimean bridge brought to the fairway"
        "The installation of noise screens began on the Crimean bridge"
        "Reliable and durable. The Crimean bridge was checked in all respects"
        "Construction of the century, or how to build the Crimean bridge"
        I just took advantage of the site search, which you should have done before writing a comment.
        1. +2
          21 June 2018 15: 37
          The mentioned articles about the construction of the bridge are depersonalized.
      2. +21
        21 June 2018 09: 53
        Quote: Victor N
        who conceived and built the Crimean bridge

        it's great, but how much it cost!
        Or as in the song - "We will not stand for the price?"
        They didn’t stand, now they rip us off. The Crimean bridge cannot be smeared with bread.
        And also the most expensive olympiad in the world, and also the most expensive soccer championship in the world. And in general, we have all the most expensive, only cheap people about whom they wipe their feet.
  6. +29
    21 June 2018 06: 19
    Putin and Medvedev are one team. One unit. Long.
    Just as Chubais, Kiriyenko, Deripaska, Gref, Miller, Sechin, Rothenberg and others. One family. Not Putin. Boris Nikolayevich.
    I understood this long ago. Let us remember Rokhlin, Shchekochikhin, Ilyukhin, Borovik ....
  7. +11
    21 June 2018 06: 53
    What can I say to the author .... in those days, Koba had a rule: Do you criticize? Suggest! Suggest? Do ... criticism of course there is gut, BUT .... on her darling, you should not stop, otherwise it turns out ugly, as for me ....
    1. +10
      21 June 2018 07: 33
      Suggest? Do it.
      You can do it if only by yourself.
      1. 0
        21 June 2018 10: 25
        And what, is someone bothering?
    2. +1
      21 June 2018 10: 00
      Only a cynic in power could come up with this rule.
  8. +18
    21 June 2018 06: 56
    Т
    the same as Chubais, Kiriyenko, Deripaska, Gref, Miller, Sechin, Rotenberg and others. One family. Not Putin. Boris Nikolaevich
    .
    .... All around, no one to shoot laughing ... And the saddest thing is, even if there is a wave of popular protest, let’s say .. Someone will lead it, liberals - like Navalny ... Yes they are ... This is now the only organized force ... And if they come to power, everything will go harder ... Wherever you throw everywhere, wedge ... Some oligarchs are at the feeding trough, others are torn to it ... And for more than twenty years we have chosen the lesser evils ... Otherwise, it cannot be otherwise ... Social formation, capitalist ..Here are the so-called Duma elections ... from whom will we choose? EDRO and its branches ... Let us remember the USSR, which we have profiled ...
    1. +8
      21 June 2018 07: 25
      Quote: parusnik
      Who will head it, liberals - like Navalny ...

      For this, they keep him, a backup option in the case of a shecher.
      Quote: parusnik
      Let us remember the USSR, which we profuci ...

      Is the USSR the only option for you? The fact that it all ended with this does not bother you? All games with socialism ended in collapse; Italian, German, Russian, North Korean and Chinese with Cuban all either died or in agony. But capitalism has a much broader perspective: there is South Korea, but there is Greece, there is the USA and there is Switzerland, there is Indonesia and there is Singapore. Choose not want ...
      1. +6
        21 June 2018 08: 20
        Quote: Puncher
        with Cuban, everyone either died or in agony

        Cuban means in agony recourse , agonizing for a very long time, poor people ... Swedish, by the way, is also in agony, or has he died?
        1. +10
          21 June 2018 08: 32
          Yes, there is no socialism in Sweden, it’s just that the rich are smarter, it’s better to give less so as not to lose more ... It is such a democracy, determined by a long leash ...
        2. +6
          21 June 2018 10: 29
          Imagine Swedish, too, in agony. Have you been in Stockholm for a long time? I do not advise! A cup of coffee 8 euros. You will not like it.
          Swedes do not like it either. But along with the authorities, migrants are to blame. :-)
          Well, later ignition
        3. +1
          21 June 2018 10: 38
          Quote: Alone
          Cuban means in agony, they agonize for a very long time, poor people ...

          As in the DPRK, the very fact that everything has returned to normal is prostitution + tourism is a direct sign.
      2. +15
        21 June 2018 08: 22
        I apparently missed something ... When there was socialism in Italy, Germany ...? ... Fill my gap ... Greece is all in debt ... The essence of capitalism, is simple-give me pills for greed and more, more ... The rich get richer, the poor, the poorer ... Navalny is being prepared for the case of a schukher ... reveal the meaning ... I understand correctly, those who have eaten will leave, and the "hungry" will come ..? A similar thing happened already in Germany in the 30s of the last century ... As for Navalny and those who are in power, there is one puppeteer ... You know, there are dolls like this, put on a hand, dolls quarrel, make peace, and only one man directs them and speaks in different voices for them ....
        1. +2
          21 June 2018 08: 34
          In Germany, under Adolf Aloysych, there was real socialism. Do not believe? I can’t do anything about it. And in Italy in those days, Mussolini managed to do a lot of good things (in a good sense).
          1. +8
            21 June 2018 09: 36
            Well, the praise of fascism has gone. I never understood how admirers of Hitler and Mussolini can be in Russia, which suffered from fascism. Oh ...
            1. +6
              21 June 2018 10: 04
              No need to juggle, huh? I do not praise anything, I ascertain the facts.
              By the way, there was no fascism in Germany; there was National Socialism. Learn the materiel.
              1. +9
                21 June 2018 10: 43
                Quote: sxfRipper
                By the way, there was no fascism in Germany; there was National Socialism. Learn the materiel.

                However, the fathers and grandfathers did not know the materiel like you.
                "The great day of victory over Germany has come. Fascist Germany, brought to its knees by the Red Army and the troops of our allies, pleaded defeated and declared unconditional surrender. "
                From a speech by Stalin on May 9, 1945.
                1. +5
                  21 June 2018 12: 57
                  The fact is that the term nationalsocialism Comrade Stalin cut his ears. Hence the tongue-tied translation of NSDAP - nationalsocialist German Workers Party.
                  And the Germans themselves were offended when they were called fascists. Fascists are pasta, we are National Socialists. So learn the materiel not only from posts of ignoramuses like you.
                  1. +1
                    21 June 2018 21: 56
                    Quote: sxfRipper
                    The fact is that the term nationalsocialism Comrade Stalin cut his ears. Hence the tongue-tied translation of NSDAP - nationalsocialist German Workers Party.
                    And the Germans themselves were offended when they were called fascists. Fascists are pasta, we are National Socialists. So learn the materiel not only from posts of ignoramuses like you.

                    And from what works, from which author the term national socialism is gleaned? Source!?
                  2. +1
                    22 June 2018 08: 18
                    Quote: sxfRipper
                    And the Germans themselves were offended when they were called fascists. Fascists are pasta, we are National Socialists.

                    Who are "we?
                    Nazis, racists, fascists, nationalists, Bandera, "forest brothers" of all stripes are berries of the same field. Unites their hatred and crimes. Socialist damn it!
                    Today is the anniversary of the start of World War II. Go yourself to some sort of museum. Since parents do not teach and educate. Maybe you’ll understand, grow wiser.
              2. +3
                21 June 2018 18: 16
                Quote: sxfRipper
                By the way, there was no fascism in Germany; there was National Socialism.

                Though call a pot only do not put in the oven. The bottom line is capitalist. Socialism there in the sense of the transition to communism with social ownership of the means of production was not from the word at all.
              3. +1
                21 June 2018 21: 54
                Quote: sxfRipper
                No need to juggle, huh? I do not praise anything, I ascertain the facts.
                By the way, there was no fascism in Germany; there was National Socialism. Learn the materiel.

                Are you stating the facts? Can you present the facts in detail? Or keep silent in a rag.
          2. +3
            21 June 2018 16: 14
            Quote: sxfRipper
            In Germany, under Adolf Aloysych, there was real socialism. Do not believe?

            I do not believe.
            Under socialism, the same BMW would be nationalized, and not belonged to the Quandt dynasty ...
        2. +2
          21 June 2018 10: 23
          Quote: parusnik
          When in Italy, Germany was socialism ...?

          Mussolini in Italy built socialism and Hitler in Germany built socialism, is this really news for you? Each of them believed that their socialism is correct, and all other socialisms are not a cake, but in essence ... Kim Il Sung also built socialism not like in the USSR, and Pol Pot too. Like capitalism is different everywhere.
          1. +9
            21 June 2018 10: 50
            Here is the news ... Hitler and Mussolini built socialism ... distributed factories under workers' management, land to the peasants ... laughing And when the Allies won, they all returned back ... Socialism has many faces: North Korean, Chinese, Kampuchean ... Only K. Marx and F. Engels did not know about this ...
            1. 0
              21 June 2018 11: 50
              Quote: parusnik
              factories under working management handed out

              You are confusing communism; socialism is just a stage in the construction of communism.
              Quote: parusnik
              Only K. Marx and F. Engels did not know about this ...

              They are the founders of communism, and the idea of ​​socialism began to take shape earlier.
              1. +4
                21 June 2018 14: 35
                Are these two different doctrines? ... Communism has grown from scratch .. It just occurred to Marx and Engels ... without a preliminary base ... You have Chapaev as in the film .. Vasily Ivanovich, the men here are mocking up, you are for the Bolsheviks Ali for the Communists? What? Yes, I’m grugging up the men ... They’re for the International! .... I recommend that the book is the Hussite Wars, I don’t remember the author;
                1. 0
                  21 June 2018 17: 50
                  Quote: parusnik
                  Are these two different teachings ?.

                  Of course, before Marx, these were two hostile teachings, whose apologists in disputes were not shy about expressions.
                  The main issue is the right of ownership of the means of production, socialism allowed the existence of private property, communism is categorical in this matter, no private property, including the prohibition of the right to inherit. "Socialism is a transitional phase from capitalism to communism," it was hammered into the head from the school bench. As I understand it, you did not find those "glorious times", since you ask such questions?
              2. 0
                21 June 2018 22: 01
                Quote: Puncher
                Quote: parusnik
                factories under working management handed out

                You are confusing communism; socialism is just a stage in the construction of communism.
                Quote: parusnik
                Only K. Marx and F. Engels did not know about this ...

                They are the founders of communism, and the idea of ​​socialism began to take shape earlier.

                What are the signs of socialism in your opinion? How to understand that the state is socialist?
                1. 0
                  22 June 2018 00: 37
                  Quote: free
                  What are the signs of socialism in your opinion? How to understand that the state is socialist?

                  In short, that one can best be done for goals that were not simply declared, but to which real efforts were directed and ways that were commensurate with these goals were chosen. Under socialism, the main goal is the formation of a comprehensively developed personality, the achievement of this goal, in the form of a person of a communist formation, was conceived in a rather distant future. The second task that provides this goal is to increase the well-being of workers. After the death of Stalin, it could be said that socialism ended, because the main goal for some time still continued to be declared at best in the materials of the Congresses of the CPSU, but the task of increasing well-being began to be highlighted. And there was talk in the kitchens - son, we will live well without mathematics. Well, the West here has inserted its "three pennies" - is your goal welfare? But look - we have better welfare? Yes, our people said - better, we want capitalism! And consumerism went in full swing.
            2. +5
              21 June 2018 14: 15
              Do not confuse National Socialism with International Communism. Marx and Engels were the last. Read the manifesto ...
              1. 0
                21 June 2018 18: 29
                Quote: rruvim
                Do not confuse National Socialism with International Communism.

                You now look like a Christian preacher broadcasting that another Christian concession is a terrible heresy and a perversion of the word of God ...
                1. 0
                  21 June 2018 18: 50
                  I would love to play in this "role". And better in the "role" of the messenger of the Holy Inquisition. bully
                  1. 0
                    21 June 2018 20: 40
                    Quote: rruvim
                    I would love to play in this "role". And better in the "role" of the messenger of the Holy Inquisition. bully

                    Well, of course, since the 19th century, the Communists have one argument: "What is the guillotine for?"
              2. 0
                23 June 2018 12: 02
                Quote: rruvim
                Do not confuse National Socialism with International Communism. Marx and Engels were the last. Read the manifesto ...

                There is no and never has been any National Socialism, where did you get this term?
                1. 0
                  24 June 2018 18: 56
                  From the name of the NSDAP party. This is an ideology, I am only talking about the economy, the nationalization of large enterprises and the development of small private business.
          2. +3
            21 June 2018 17: 28
            Quote: Puncher
            Mussolini in Italy built socialism and Hitler in Germany built socialism, is this really news for you?

            go on, it seems I will learn a lot more interesting ...

            between Stalin's socialism and Hitler's national socialism is the same difference as between a canal and a sewer ...
            1. 0
              21 June 2018 19: 54
              Quote: reservist
              between Stalin's socialism and Hitler's national socialism the same difference as between the canal and the sewer

              so why didn’t you add it to the third? If you compare.
              1. +2
                21 June 2018 20: 24
                no, do not compare
                if you really want to, try yourself to compare the channel with the sewer ...
          3. 0
            21 June 2018 21: 59
            Quote: Puncher
            Quote: parusnik
            When in Italy, Germany was socialism ...?

            Mussolini in Italy built socialism and Hitler in Germany built socialism, is this really news for you? Each of them believed that their socialism is correct, and all other socialisms are not a cake, but in essence ... Kim Il Sung also built socialism not like in the USSR, and Pol Pot too. Like capitalism is different everywhere.

            The principles of building a socialist state are one. The rest of revisionism.
        3. +1
          21 June 2018 10: 33
          Quote: parusnik
          Fill in my gap

          In Italy, the problem of the struggle for the rights of the proletariat was solved by creating sectoral state corporations, which included both owners of enterprises and representatives of the proletariat, they had to solve the problems of working class rights taking into account the interests of capitalists.
          In Germany, the rights of the proletariat were defended by the state union, which had great rights to regulate production relations, and the capitalists had to coordinate with him questions concerning the rights of the working class, plus these rights concerned only German citizens, which was determined on a national basis.
          1. +7
            21 June 2018 10: 53
            Those. in other words, social partnership as in the Labor Code of the Russian Federation, then let me know, following your understanding in the Russian Federation today, similar socialism ...?
            1. +1
              21 June 2018 15: 53
              Quote: parusnik
              then let me know, following your understanding in the Russian Federation of today's similar socialism ...?

              More reminiscent of classical fascism, the main sectors of the economy are consolidated into corporations controlled by the state, and propaganda promotes the nation’s exclusivity, its significance for the whole world, and patriotism is at the forefront ...
              1. +1
                21 June 2018 18: 37
                And the annexation of Crimea. Like a cherry on a cake. laughing Probably all the same here is somewhat more complicated.
                1. 0
                  21 June 2018 19: 56
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  And the annexation of Crimea. Like a cherry on a cake.

                  What does this have to do with it? The resolution of territorial disputes in this way is not a characteristic of any system.
                  1. 0
                    22 June 2018 16: 53
                    While the irony.
                2. +1
                  21 June 2018 20: 28
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  And the annexation of Crimea.

                  vossociation

                  Is this probably Putin personally hanging on the Sevastopol balconies before the referendum of the tricolor?
                  1. 0
                    21 June 2018 22: 18
                    If war is fought for the liberation of the people or territory then this is a war of liberation (fair) .If the war is for resources и the main beneficiary is a bunch of oligarchs and officials and, the burden of war is carried solely on the shoulders of the people; this is a war of aggression, imperialism (not fair).
                    People in Crimea thought that the Russian state (not the people, the state and the group of officials and the bourgeois that administers it) was joining the Crimea, but it turned out to be a seizure of territory and resources, a strategic point. Those who made the decision in the upper echelons of the Russian government did not care about Crimeans. And if you don’t give a damn then why do Crimeans still pay to Ukrainian banks on loans taken? Why there is no Sberbank in Crimea? Why Donbass is not part of Russia.And because the bourgeois always agree among themselves on certain conditions, and for the naive there is a fairy tale about liberation.
                    1. +2
                      22 June 2018 08: 55
                      Quote: free
                      If war is being fought for the liberation of the people or territory then this is a war of liberation (fair). If the war is fought for resources and the main beneficiary is a handful of oligarchs and officials, and the burden of the war is carried exclusively on the shoulders of the people, this is an aggressive, imperialist (not fair) war.

                      do not you think that this is somewhat limited interpretation? no? then it turns out that the Second World War in Germany - NOT war of liberation ..
                      The NSDAP won the election, the whole people participated in the elections, Hitler was appointed absolutely legally. No?
                      Then formally (LEGALLY !!!) - The USSR carried a war of aggression against the legitimate authority of Germany and against the people who elected it belay belay .In all the occupied states - liberation, and in Germany - predatory ...
                      The burden of war is on IS ALWAYS on the shoulders of the people, "a handful of oligarchs and officials" die very rarely in a war
                      It’s more accurate with definitions, more accurate ....
                      Thin diplomacy - in Potsdam, Stalin and Churchill discussed the formula "..., Poland" or "and Poland" for an hour
                      1. 0
                        22 June 2018 12: 25
                        Quote: your1970
                        Quote: free
                        If war is being fought for the liberation of the people or territory then this is a war of liberation (fair). If the war is fought for resources and the main beneficiary is a handful of oligarchs and officials, and the burden of the war is carried exclusively on the shoulders of the people, this is an aggressive, imperialist (not fair) war.

                        do not you think that this is somewhat limited interpretation? no? then it turns out that the Second World War in Germany - NOT war of liberation ..
                        The NSDAP won the election, the whole people participated in the elections, Hitler was appointed absolutely legally. No?
                        Then formally (LEGALLY !!!) - The USSR carried a war of aggression against the legitimate authority of Germany and against the people who elected it belay belay .In all the occupied states - liberation, and in Germany - predatory ...
                        The burden of war is on IS ALWAYS on the shoulders of the people, "a handful of oligarchs and officials" die very rarely in a war
                        It’s more accurate with definitions, more accurate ....
                        Thin diplomacy - in Potsdam, Stalin and Churchill discussed the formula "..., Poland" or "and Poland" for an hour

                        The USSR finished off the enemy in his lair, it was necessary to do. What you write is stupidity and provocation! Crimea returned, I think it’s good (especially for Crimeans). But they returned him not because they wanted to save people, but based on the class interests of the bourgeois managers the state of Russia.
                    2. 0
                      22 June 2018 11: 11
                      Looks like I missed something in recent history? four years ago in the Crimea were full-scale hostilities?
                      The Crimean referendum is nevertheless closer to the return of Saar to Germany than to what is happening now in the Donbass.

                      I don’t know about Ukrainian banks, but for some reason I remembered on the topic of loan repayment:

                      Sberbank is now not only in the Crimea, but in front of my house the branch was also closed, Gref that he wants to do something ...
                      And what is bad for RNCR?


                      Quote: free
                      Why Donbass ...

                      ask these two ...
              2. 0
                22 June 2018 11: 37
                Quote: Puncher
                More reminiscent of classic fascism ...

                yeah, on the streets of Moscow they’ll catch the Communists and take them to concentration camps ...

                Fascism is the dictatorship of the nationalists. Accordingly, a fascist is a person who professes (and preaches) the superiority of one nation over others and at the same time is an active champion of the “iron hand”, “discipline-order”, “hedgehog gloves” and other delights of totalitarianism.
                And that’s all. There is nothing more at the basis of fascism. Dictatorship plus nationalism. Totalitarian rule of one nation. And everything else - secret police, camps, bonfires from books, war - sprouts from this poisonous grain, like death from a cancer cell.

                (c) B. Strugatsky
          2. +1
            21 June 2018 11: 55
            "In 1944 — 1946 in the governments of P. Badoglio, I. Bonomi, F. Parry and A. De Gasperi, Palmiro Michele Nicola Toliatti served as minister without a portfolio, then Minister of Justice and Deputy Prime Minister.
            Under the leadership of Togliatti, the Communist Party of Italy became largest party in Italy и сThe largest non-ruling Communist Party in Europe. After the 1946 parliamentary elections of the year, the Communist Party of Italy took third place (about 19% of the vote) and received 104 seats in the Constituent Assembly. Although in the future representatives of the Communist Party did not enter the government, the party was in power in many municipalities and had great influence in society. "-quite along the path to socialism moved
            1. +8
              21 June 2018 13: 53
              When the so-called “red” belt existed in Russia in the 90s, did they continue to build socialism in individual regions? ... And how were they built? ... What are you talking about that helped to improve the working class’s situation, but the social formation has not changed ... A simple example, in Chile, the socialist government, having a majority in parliament and a socialist president at the head of the state, began to change the social formation in white gloves, carrying out to a large extent half-hearted reforms, which ended with a coup ... Therefore, some Communists in the Italian and French parliaments could not completely change the situation, but many social projects and programs were implemented thanks to their influence, their bourgeoisie did not be stupid to make concessions in order to reduce social tension .. But now, it’s regaining its lost ground .. If and increases the retirement age, then by one two years from the previous one, and not since we have men for 5 years at once, women for 8
          3. +2
            21 June 2018 16: 07
            Those. in the States now the worst socialism!
            There trade unions are endowed with such rights - the USSR nervously smokes on the sidelines.
            Again, the rights of workers in the constitution and its amendments are protected ...
            The wrong country was called Honduras!
            1. 0
              21 June 2018 22: 28
              Quote: Vlad.by
              Those. in the States now the worst socialism!
              There trade unions are endowed with such rights - the USSR nervously smokes on the sidelines.
              Again, the rights of workers in the constitution and its amendments are protected ...
              The wrong country was called Honduras!

              The sign of socialism, the absence of a private form of ownership of the means of production, the means of production are socialized, belong to the people and are managed through the socialist state. The existence of cooperatives (not controlled by the socialist state) as forms of collective ownership is allowed. The course is towards a gradual, mild elimination of any form of ownership of the means production other than socialized.
          4. +2
            21 June 2018 17: 39
            write also that the unions and the state became the owners of enterprises under Mussolini and Hitler ...
            the fact that the appetites were limited to the capitalists did not change the essence of capitalism ...
            1. 0
              22 June 2018 12: 34
              Quote: reservist
              write also that the unions and the state became the owners of enterprises under Mussolini and Hitler ...
              the fact that the appetites were limited to the capitalists did not change the essence of capitalism ...

              So I do not write that in fascist Germany there was socialism, it was not there either.
              1. 0
                22 June 2018 12: 42
                On the website the link flew?
                previous post is written in response to the Hole Puncher
                1. 0
                  23 June 2018 12: 04
                  Quote: reservist
                  On the website the link flew?
                  previous post is written in response to the Hole Puncher

                  So can you find it (this comment) and show it, or do we have different sites?
                  1. 0
                    25 June 2018 11: 31
                    Quote: Puncher

                    In Italy, the problem of the struggle for the rights of the proletariat was solved by creating sectoral state corporations, which included both owners of enterprises and representatives of the proletariat, they had to solve the problems of working class rights taking into account the interests of capitalists.
                    In Germany, the rights of the proletariat were defended by the state union, which had great rights to regulate production relations, and the capitalists had to coordinate with him questions concerning the rights of the working class, plus these rights concerned only German citizens, which was determined on a national basis.
      3. 0
        22 June 2018 00: 03
        artificial collapse, from outside soaked, so that the money should be taken on themselves, and not on the people.
        invested knowing. then will be rewarded a hundredfold from each robbed resident of the union.
  9. +15
    21 June 2018 06: 56
    I agree with the author, maybe not at 100%.
    Many write and sooo much. The elderly are writing, many see them alone, but they want to express themselves urgently!
    By the way, the stars give something to VO, I understand what they should give, but somehow I'm not here for them.
    Yesterday, Kozak corrected the GDP in a conversation about allegedly "losing oil workers a billion a day due to freezing prices" with the words, "They don’t lose anything, this is lost revenue."
    Bullshit, anyone can say the same thing.
    The government will receive less if it does not raise the retirement age, we will receive less and so
    further .., any merchant will receive less if he does not raise the price.
    Bike:
    A man stands, trades, a bucket of potatoes for a million.
    “What, man, why so expensive !?”
    -Yes, I would have sold cheaper, but money is needed!
    But there is a demand for gasoline, and there is no alternative!
    And to the rest.
    In, I don’t remember which movie the opinion of one of the heroes was voiced on women's logic.
    Hero asks
    - Did you promise that woman as a monetary reward?
    Having received an affirmative answer, he says again.
    - You must give it to her, she is BABA! and if you don’t give it now, she will take it as if you had stolen this money from her. After all, she had already spent them in her mind!
    I think that if the government does not receive what they have already spent on paper, they will accuse the people of theft ....
    And also ..., where did this Navalny draw himself, close it in advance, let him down in a protest mood, spoil the whole buzz!
    And so I want to go to my 'festival' without traveling far ..
  10. +25
    21 June 2018 07: 05
    Not a moratorium on this law needs to be demanded, but the resignation of power and changes to the Constitution and the political course of the country must be sought! Correctly Roman writes. Lift your asses, not whine here. Have all men in Russia become patience? Isn’t it sick to watch women kneeling before a slave in the galleys and his occupation gang?
    1. +9
      21 June 2018 07: 30
      Quote: Nonna
      galley slave and his occupation gang

      What a syllable, however !! Straight stands of the revolution Yes
      MINUS
      1. +12
        21 June 2018 10: 30
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        MINUS

        Yes, all do not care for your fat cons. laughing
    2. +5
      21 June 2018 07: 34
      Quote: Nonna
      Isn’t it sick to watch women kneeling before a slave in the galleys and his occupation gang?

      My yo, etozh what you need to use to write something like that wassat
      1. +2
        21 June 2018 08: 55
        Leopold Ozverin was advised ... hi т
        1. 0
          21 June 2018 09: 21
          Quote: novel xnumx
          Leopold ozverin advised ...

          Roma is healthy! Below your comment is a brow with a cat avatar. Did he mean it? wassat
          1. 0
            21 June 2018 09: 22
            no one pity!
      2. +21
        21 June 2018 11: 23
        So there is no PENSION REFORM - no conditions have been created for training people in other professions, no new jobs have been created, the issue of the presence of a huge number of migrant workers in the country has not been resolved, young specialists have not been trained to replace those who could remain at the same enterprise at more or less easy, but acceptable work, in order to fulfill the function of a mentor, share your experience with young specialists, and much more, which is NOT. So, it’s not pension reform that is going on, but STUPIDLY INCREASE PENSION AGE, bringing the elderly to the fast grave, solving the demographic problem not in favor of Russians and Russians at the expense of Asians in particular and “foreign” Muslims in general. WILL YOU support this? DO YOU WANT TO SUPPORT IT?
    3. +9
      21 June 2018 08: 45
      and the resignation of power and changes to the Constitution and the political course of the country must be sought

      Great syllable. No less than a shift
      A PLUS
    4. +3
      21 June 2018 10: 35
      Can’t Aurora be mothballed?
      Can also Denikin, Wrangel and Shkuro, at the same time with the Left Zadov and the green to clone?
      So again, Sverdlovs, Trotsky and Mironovichs will be different at the helm. Do not flatter yourself.
  11. +6
    21 June 2018 07: 08
    Um ... What shall we say? wassat
    You’re throwing against the background of the experienced 90s and practically bottomless (for our generation) reserves of natural resources, we have a grunt about the total impoverishment of the people, where the notorious “popizzot” (five hundred) green American tugriks exist only in the inflamed minds of Belstat for replication in the media, and people in their vast majority are content with 150-200 of the same green rubles in equivalent. request And this is compensated by the voice "for which we have a lot of vines and a mustache" .... At the same time, if we critically think about it, even a superficial analysis of the steps of the AHL and the Government suggests that economic policy in the absence of natural fountains is quite sound and logical .... The fact that "no money" is relevant for us and for you .... That's just the possibility of existence in these realities are very different .... Not in our favor .... winked
    Our retirement age has been steadily growing for a couple of years. Each year shifts to the right by six months. In a couple of years it will already be 58 for ladies, 63 for Monsieur ....
    It's time to run to work hi
    1. +7
      21 June 2018 08: 31
      There are few resources - so why, are you waiting for a special invitation ?! It's time to FINISH the construction of the Union State and begin to build a ONE state. Calmly and persistently. The main thing: remember that resources are not a bulb, wait do not wait - they will not grow! If they are not, then it is forever! And geography is a stubborn thing.
  12. +12
    21 June 2018 07: 08
    GDP said that we are one team.
    But when members of one team climb into your pocket, what should you do?
    1. +3
      21 June 2018 11: 54
      how to be, how to be ???? ...
      it is customary for us - in the knee-elbow position in front of the “anointed one” ... and with prayers with requests to beat the brow on the ground ...
      one of the commandments of Orthodoxy - hit on one cheek - turn the other ...
      and we live ... more precisely, we exist ...
    2. 0
      21 June 2018 22: 32
      Quote: sagitch
      GDP said that we are one team.
      But when members of one team climb into your pocket, what should you do?

      So he said about his team, what did you think? But you yourself were flattered. wink
  13. +12
    21 June 2018 07: 10
    Stop whining! In Russia, people quickly gobble up, they have already forgotten the 90s.
    1. +24
      21 June 2018 07: 30
      already forgotten 90s
      What's in a circus graduation school? Around some comedians.
      1. +4
        21 June 2018 07: 32
        Quote: Gardamir
        What's in a circus graduation school?

        And what was 90x funny?
        1. +10
          21 June 2018 07: 37
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And what was 90x funny?

          Fun to tears ... Especially as the factory workers plundered their native plant, they cursed the leadership for the fact that ... they did the same, but on a large scale.
          1. +4
            21 June 2018 07: 41
            Quote: Puncher
            . Especially as factory workers plundering their own factory, they cursed the leadership for the fact that ... they did the same, but on a large scale.

            Exactly. And now these hard workers write in Sait, look at the ruins of our factory, the state has collapsed
            1. +7
              21 June 2018 08: 00
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And now these hard workers write in Sait, look at the ruins of our factory, the state has collapsed

              Yes, there is little left alive, who himself died, who revels ...
              At the expense of the state’s guilt.
              The collapse technology is simple, several meta color reception points were opened near the plant, and during the year all the equipment of the plant and non-ferrous metal reserves were there. And to China went trains loaded with the rest of Soviet industry. And who allowed all this is the state ...
              1. +1
                21 June 2018 09: 23
                Quote: Puncher
                And who allowed all this is the state ...

                Then the state generally had everything before the lantern; they shared power, loot and authority. Yes, and not only the authorities were violet, everyone-every derbanil his piece.
                Every nation deserves its government
                1. +6
                  21 June 2018 10: 45
                  You (us) were just raped by everyone because of the puddle. Hands of humpbacked Gaidar, Yeltsin and others like them. And we all, in the wake of revolutionary pathetics, were led to this and ruined what worked perfectly. No, grease, tint, rearrange the furniture ... we would "destroy everything to the ground, and then" Here we are and then hiccups still!
                  And again, from behind the puddle, thoughts are thrown to us, and look, you again want to destroy everything appear. It seems to be smart people, but ... so naive
                  1. +5
                    21 June 2018 12: 02
                    Tell me. how to make this stuff work not in your pocket. and on the state? After all, they have already “edited” the Constitution for themselves
                  2. +2
                    21 June 2018 22: 35
                    Quote: Vlad.by
                    You (us) were just raped by everyone because of the puddle. Hands of humpbacked Gaidar, Yeltsin and others like them. And we all, in the wake of revolutionary pathetics, were led to this and ruined what worked perfectly. No, grease, tint, rearrange the furniture ... we would "destroy everything to the ground, and then" Here we are and then hiccups still!
                    And again, from behind the puddle, thoughts are thrown to us, and look, you again want to destroy everything appear. It seems to be smart people, but ... so naive

                    But Putin did not bring Yeltsin? Maybe someone else?
                2. +6
                  21 June 2018 10: 46
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Then the state generally had everything before the lantern, shared power, loot and authority

                  Well, not really, let's remember what killed our industry. The most important crime is the opening of free trade with China, someone made such a decision. A huge stream of consumer goods poured into the country that instantly killed entire industries. European and American products could not afford the average man, but Chinese abibasses and pawasonics are quite.
                  I repeat, the one who made this decision could not help but realize that he was killing the country's industry.
                  1. +1
                    21 June 2018 12: 04
                    Quote: Puncher
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Then the state generally had everything before the lantern, shared power, loot and authority

                    Well, not really, let's remember what killed our industry. The most important crime is the opening of free trade with China, someone made such a decision. A huge stream of consumer goods poured into the country that instantly killed entire industries. European and American products could not afford the average man, but Chinese abibasses and pawasonics are quite.
                    I repeat, the one who made this decision could not help but realize that he was killing the country's industry.
                    -those. Soviet industry with its inefficiency, wretched equipment, "nesunami", useless products to anyone, was competitive ??? !!
                    1. +1
                      21 June 2018 21: 03
                      Quote: your1970
                      those. Soviet industry, with its inefficiency, wretched equipment, "nesunami", useless products to anyone, was competitive ??? !!

                      Undoubtedly, the part would certainly die out, but a lot of things would survive. You do not forget that consumer goods from Europe and the United States were very expensive and most could not afford. For example. We had a Vega radio plant in Novosibirsk, made good audio equipment, cheaper than Japanese and European, but more expensive than Chinese, it ruined it, and another factory producing household chemicals quite calmly survived all the cataclysms, since there was no competition from China. It is still flourishing, because our mosquitoes and midges don’t particularly react to foreign chemistry, but they get scared of the local, and what our Siberian land is rich in is muck flying.
                3. +2
                  21 June 2018 18: 55
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Then the state generally had everything before the lantern; they shared power, loot and authority. Yes, and not only the authorities were violet, everyone-every derbanil his piece.
                  Every nation deserves its government

                  And now everyone has sharply ceased to share power, loot and authority? Yes worthy. If he tolerates it. If you do not try to change it and do not try to change it yourself. But you do not need this, you need stability. The one that stagnates.
          2. +15
            21 June 2018 08: 37
            Quote: Puncher
            Fun to tears ... Especially as the factory workers plundered their native plant, they cursed the leadership for the fact that ... they did the same, but on a large scale

            Ha ha ha You equated hard workers who in the 90s did not receive a salary and were unable to support their families and their leaders, who bought the shares from them for the money of the same hard workers.
            Very funny. Understand. They themselves are to blame. Capitalism, as Ivan Danko used to say.
            1. +2
              21 June 2018 09: 24
              Quote: AID.S
              Very funny. Understand. Themselves to blame

              You wanted to live differently.
              1. +17
                21 June 2018 10: 33
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                You wanted to live differently.

                Who, Sanya? As far as I remember, the people voted to preserve the Union.
              2. +9
                21 June 2018 11: 11
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                You wanted to live differently.

                I never wanted to. I did not suffer and do not suffer from demshiza. But he survived, adapted. Healthy Soviet cynicism helped.
              3. +3
                21 June 2018 22: 37
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: AID.S
                Very funny. Understand. Themselves to blame

                You wanted to live differently.

                In a different way, you just wanted to live, Mr. Romanov, and you found your place at the feeding trough.
          3. +17
            21 June 2018 09: 42
            Quote: Puncher
            Especially as factory workers plundering their own factory

            And why did they plunder do not remember? And they, the workers, plundered their factory due to the fact that the new bourgeoisie did not pay them wages. They didn’t pay at all.
            1. 0
              21 June 2018 10: 29
              No, it’s just that the products of most plants in such quantities that they were already released in the USSR were not needed by anyone — the customer was a defense industry and foreign parasites, for free — these were gone and the enterprises were greeted.
      2. +15
        21 June 2018 07: 43
        In the 90s, it wasn’t funny, silly, and vile to ascribe credit to one person for changes in politics and the world. For example, oil has risen in price to zero. In the same zero, many enterprises were closed, and there is no one to strike. And as an example, we need to take the best. When Putin at least a percentage approaches 70m, then talk.
    2. +13
      21 June 2018 09: 04
      Quote: timothy61
      Stop whining! In Russia, people quickly gobble up, they have already forgotten the 90s.

      I agree, these locksmiths with turners are already overgrown. We didn’t live well, there’s nothing to start. It’s so wonderful to die in a factory. But not the 90s.
      1. +2
        21 June 2018 10: 32
        Normal locksmiths and turners will always be at work and money, and if they have surrendered and become addicted to the bottle, hackerism and coaching are their personal problems - no one needs such workers.
        1. +16
          21 June 2018 10: 42
          Do not confuse warm with soft. This is not about professional skills, income or labor efficiency. And about the working conditions at work, prof. suitability and harmful production factors in the context of worker health in pre-retirement age.
          If in a simple way, even if you’re with golden hands and a crystal head, for ten years in a hazardous industry by the age of 50 such a bunch of occupational diseases is going that only the last cynic and hypocrite can talk about retiring at 65. There are no healthy people in workshops in factories after 50 years.
          1. +7
            21 June 2018 14: 06
            There are no healthy people in workshops in factories after 50 years.
            ... Here is a new initiative, on Radio Star, I heard that a draft has been submitted to Rostrud for consideration, in connection with which there are more abnormally hot days, and people with heart diseases suffer from it, it is suggested that such workers give days off on such days. It seems to be good but whether these days will be paid for paid .. And will not such a person be the first in line when downsizing ...
  14. +10
    21 June 2018 07: 12
    Those who are at least interested in something have long understood everything, but they are few, for the rest there is only a choice between the terrible pro-American liberals and the amazing GDP with the company. But neither of them does not suit me, I want a bright future for myself and my descendants, and I do not want to be in slavery with the bourgeois.
    1. +3
      21 June 2018 08: 37
      To Mars? Where have not you been looking for a bright future?
      If for posterity, then a brighter future needs to be built, in his own family.
      What you build yourself is yours.
      1. +14
        21 June 2018 10: 38
        Quote: Victor N
        What you build yourself is yours.

        Then why taxes? wink Aggregate direct taxes of about 50%. And there are also indirect ones - excise taxes, VAT, Plato. A man bought an apartment for officially earned money, but here is a property tax. Why on earth didn’t you think about it? It turns out double taxation.
        1. +1
          21 June 2018 18: 52
          Well, I can’t tell you here the whole cycle of lectures on the structure of the state! THE STATE CANNOT EXIST ANYWHERE WITHOUT TAXES
          And its functions are determined in the process of development.
          1. +5
            21 June 2018 19: 19
            Quote: Victor N
            THE STATE CANNOT EXIST ANYWHERE WITHOUT TAXES

            But in the tasks of the state, it takes care of its citizens, right? it somehow does not fit with your
            Quote: Victor N
            a bright future needs to be built by yourself in your family
            wink
  15. +6
    21 June 2018 07: 13
    Neither add nor add, there are only one questions left, but what should a simple person do ?! I have already decided for myself.
  16. +25
    21 June 2018 07: 21
    Until recent events, she believed that Putin wants to make the country strong in order to remain in history as a great leader who strengthened the state. But when, on a sports holiday, for which a sea of ​​money from the state budget, money collected from the people, was ruined, people were deprived of the opportunity to even express indignation, hiding behind the mundial, I no longer believe.
    Why is such a negative reaction of the population to raising the retirement age? It would seem that current pensioners are not in danger, and the increase will not happen soon. People feel the catch. For all blah blah explanations of the authorities, nothing is felt but to reduce the number of pensioners without worrying about the consequences. The truth is that there is not enough PF money to pay. And why? There are two reasons:
    1. The assessed contributions from high salaries are reduced, and from the 10-15 thousand common in the country, for the majority the collection is small. Enter the deductions in the PF from the payroll. And today, funds underpaid in the PF for someone become personal income.
    2. The PF must be state-owned; civil servants work in the same place and the state should support them, while controlling the PF's expenses for its beloved ones. And contributions to the PF should be spent solely on the payment of pensions and benefits.
    There is a third reason regarding future retirees. The funds raised at NPFs have been wasted a long time, the fact that some of them still exist and show good reporting does not mean that there is no financial hole that the state budget does not want to close.
    The truth is that raising the retirement age hides the state’s refusal to provide benefits to older people. And the people feel it.
    1. 0
      21 June 2018 07: 39
      Quote: olimpiada15
      Until recent events, she believed that Putin wants to make the country strong in order to remain in history as a great leader who strengthened the state.

      Really...
      Quote: Gardamir
      What's in a circus graduation school? Around some comedians.
    2. +2
      21 June 2018 09: 33
      There are two more reasons, life expectancy is increasing and the number of workers is decreasing due to the demographic pit, and so they want this. kill two birds with one stone "increase" the number of employees and reduce the number of pensioners
      1. +10
        21 June 2018 11: 43
        I do not agree: life expectancy does not increase, the arithmetic increase in average duration is achieved due to the absence of the young generation of the 90s: add 15-20% of young people who did not survive or were not born in the "holy" 90s and the result will look different. Statistics knows everything, but only a few data are freely available, for example, those born per 1 woman, but those who should congratulate their children today and have no happy grandchildren are not born in the 90s. I can say for sure that out of 5 kindergartens in our neighborhood, in the 90s there were 3 !!! Closed !!!, two of them are reprofiled today and are not needed, i.e. population replenishment was only 40% of the 80s. Those who were a successful specialist by that time survived in the 90s, while non-fledged youth died. Here is the price of the merit of the 90s reformers. And there is nothing to expect high life expectancy and long working ability from those who are today about 30. This is a basic lie. Work in the country is bad. Only a part is always highly qualified specialists, the majority of the population traditionally perform work of medium difficulty and tension, that is, they have problems with employment: they are forced to agree to any job, just to have an income. They don’t bother about the gray-black z / p, just to have a livelihood. Yes, pensioners work, but only because they agree to a low salary, and young people will not be able to live on such income. From an increase in the retirement age, the situation will be aggravated - why should the employer pay 20 if there is someone who will work for 10? By the way, revenues to the Pension Fund will decrease with an excess of labor. The trouble will be for everyone from this reform and its logical conclusion is the extinction of the population and a new demographic pit.
        1. +1
          21 June 2018 12: 33
          According to official statistics, life expectancy has increased, if you have other facts, please ...
          Even if it is AVERAGE, it essentially does not change anything. Fewer young people began to die, because fewer were born, and in any case there are more old people and this is a fact.
      2. +1
        21 June 2018 12: 45
        But we didn’t try to collect taxes, we already had moonshine sellers pouring vodka, we stopped selling it and it wasn’t cost-effective to sell it. But we didn’t try to introduce a childless tax, for example, you don’t pay tax only when there are three or more children by the way and I agree pay this tax and it will be correct. You need to think with your head ..............................
    3. +8
      21 June 2018 14: 24
      Golikova “failed” two pension reforms, now she was appointed to carry out a third. fellow
    4. +4
      21 June 2018 21: 30
      I completely agree. That's about NPFs and ind.pension savings ... 2 weeks ago my wife talked me out of this, I wanted to join SOGAZ, so to speak, to our national wink and this week Golikov’s type will refuse the ball system. So, the system is a stable thing, and in our country there is no pension system from the word at all! And the increase is not a reform, but a reduction in the number of people living. Read the report of the analyst of Sberbank CIB. Gazprom projects are not profitable for him a payback of 50 years. It was cheaper not to build. Yes, where did the petrodollars come from, but they are not earned there for our pensions. Gazprom capitalization below the plinth! Against this background, the GGP (the talking head of Pu) states that he spoke about the non-raising of the retirement age 13 years ago, and now the world has become different, Pu has become the Tsar-capitalist - you do not bring income - DO NOT (three letters) live.
  17. +8
    21 June 2018 07: 22
    One can speak as much as you like, but everything is checked in hard times, revolutions occur when the tops cannot, but the lower classes do not want ... Coups are made to please those who pull the strings, has real influence. Yes, we are in capitalism, and this system already has a planetary master, and there are rules of this master for all others. As long as this is the case, we will live according to other people's charters, no matter how big your cheeks are. You can portray separatism, "multipolarity", but our whole struggle with the West here can be like fighting a fighting dog, perhaps sacredly believing that they are fighting the enemy of the owner, and in fact, bringing income to their owners, who make bets, makes money. Here are the "dogs" of the people and the army, and the owners are world capital. The novel did not answer what will happen to capitalism, will it die ... Partly, however, answered, to paraphrase we get, yes, everyone will die ... Sooner or later, including capitalism, the whole question is whether capitalism will die separately from civilization Or, like a planetary virus, it will first kill our morality, giving rise to lack of spirituality, the cult of money and the morality of consumers, and depleting resources will also destroy civilization itself. Will the new, fair social system come, will the world trial of ghouls be billionaires, owners of transnational monopolies, who have shoulders in their blood and who are ready to continue any crimes for the sake of their super-profits, immense power? Time will tell, probably, not for this purpose the great space programmers created the USSR, and after that they introduced Russia into capitalism in order to put a cross on both Russia and the whole earth civilization.
    1. +1
      22 June 2018 00: 12
      beautifully written, but it’s right, there is no other way on the planet.
      maybe for this centuries will pass and people will exterminate themselves by 90 percent, but those who remain should do as you described and we will conquer the galaxies.
      we won’t conquer, but we will live there))
      capitalism as a mouse can only work in your pocket forgetting about the planet and civilization.
  18. +33
    21 June 2018 07: 22
    All the same, both the knife and the scissors are still in Putin’s hands. As will be further - we will see. I would like to see.
    --------------------------------
    The source of power is the Russian people. The trust placed in Putin did not imply such shock therapy. If the authorities were talking from each iron about the “growth of real incomes and improvement of the state of the economy”, then it meant a lie. If Putin appointed such a government, then he is responsible for it. Nobody will remove corporate responsibility from him and all the excuses "the king is bound by the Constitution" will not work. And by the way about the Constitution. It does not say that the government has the right to worsen the situation of people, but it is said exactly the opposite, it does not. That is, what he swore on, he immediately violated. People are determined. Such a bouquet - gasoline, taxes, pensions they still comes around.
    1. +1
      21 June 2018 22: 44
      Quote: Altona
      All the same, both the knife and the scissors are still in Putin’s hands. As will be further - we will see. I would like to see.
      --------------------------------
      The source of power is the Russian people. The trust placed in Putin did not imply such shock therapy. If the authorities were talking from each iron about the “growth of real incomes and improvement of the state of the economy”, then it meant a lie. If Putin appointed such a government, then he is responsible for it. Nobody will remove corporate responsibility from him and all the excuses "the king is bound by the Constitution" will not work. And by the way about the Constitution. It does not say that the government has the right to worsen the situation of people, but it is said exactly the opposite, it does not. That is, what he swore on, he immediately violated. People are determined. Such a bouquet - gasoline, taxes, pensions they still comes around.

      They seemed to break loose, suddenly abruptly one after another, as if trying to fill their pockets before leaving.
  19. +13
    21 June 2018 07: 29
    The article is called ambiguous. But perhaps the most hooked about capitalism is that all capitalism is the same. And let's remember the times are now distant. Socialism Stalin is not like Khrushchev, but the well-fed bureaucrat Brezhnev is far from both of them. But there was something unified, which allowed us to call socialism socialism.
    So now I am sure that Grudininsky capitalism would be different. No better or worse, you can’t pose the question like that, but another.
    1. +2
      21 June 2018 07: 30
      Quote: Gardamir
      I am still convinced that Grudininsky capitalism would be different. No better or worse, you can’t pose the question like that, but another.

      Offshore yes wink
      1. +21
        21 June 2018 07: 44
        Offshore yes
        Offshore is Putin's, and the Grudininsky production.
        1. +2
          21 June 2018 08: 36
          And what does Grudinin produce besides seasonal strawberries?
          1. +7
            21 June 2018 10: 41
            Quote: sxfRipper
            And what does Grudinin produce besides seasonal strawberries

            You probably haven’t heard about livestock farms, right?
            1. +1
              21 June 2018 18: 35
              he has one farm, unfortunately, unprofitable ...
    2. +10
      21 June 2018 07: 55
      Quote: Gardamir
      So now I am sure that the Huddini capitalism would be different.
      Capitalism has already been formed, and it cannot be any “other”, there are transnational monopolies, to which Grudinin’s strawberry beds would somehow belong, in which positive competition goes into oblivion, with the consolidation of the influence of transnational monopolies and the disappearance of competition with the bloc of socialism. Socialism was different because it only began to develop, and had no such history as capitalism. Capitalism won, the main stronghold of socialism, the Soviet Union. fell The whole question is, how guilty is the socialist system itself, not sufficiently experienced and mature, but how fools and traitors who destroyed this system, lost to sophisticated and insidious opponents who have succeeded in hypocrisy, hypocrisy and meanness.
      1. +9
        21 June 2018 13: 32
        Per se. The last paragraph about traitors and fools is the culprits of the collapse of the socialist system. The socialist system was progressive and effective. But these two categories fell apart: too many traitors and fools appeared in the country. A country in the 20th century lost too much of the best and best of the best to defend its right to exist. And now few people understand that the state, being drawn into the global economy, is going not to progress, but to destruction. So why are these crazy states in the hands of individuals? The money taken out of the country works for those who are used to providing for their well-being through the merciless exploitation of other people's natural resources and do not need forces that can resist them. Under the sweet slogans of democracy and freedom lies a new kind of genocide. Yes, they made conclusions after the defeat of Hitler, and the new method of asserting superiority over others looks different today. They do not demonstrate fascist methods of destruction. They hide behind the slogans of the fight against "speakers and lack of freedom", they do not fight on their own, they print dollars and give them to fools and traitors, and they destroy both the country and their people, as was the case in Libya, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, and the SFRY. Their media do not talk about the crimes committed by bought and prepared barmaleys. They attribute all the crimes of power trying to save the country, blaming those who suffer and die. There is a milder way of destruction, as is happening in the Russian Federation. And the tragedy of "Winter Cherry" is not an accident, it is a new type of gas stoves where people gladly send their children by paying money. And the level of insecurity is the same in all institutions, but not everything works right away. Replacing qualified engineers with effective managers who shake money, the country is moving towards the fact that there is no security in any complex technical construction. And all for the sake of something for the development of the economy of the West. And under the banner of technological progress. And it all comes down to squeezing money from the skinny wallets of most citizens of the country.
        And no one wants to understand what is happening.
    3. +1
      21 June 2018 08: 55
      Gardamir
      But perhaps most of all hooked about capitalism, the fact that all capitalism is the same

      That's right. Capitalism has been very, very different throughout its 200 year history.
      Gardamir
      So now I am sure that Grudininsky capitalism would be different. Not better or worse

      Everything would be much better.
      Gardamir
      An article called ambiguous

      We will speak directly. The article is weak and confusing.
  20. +7
    21 June 2018 07: 31
    I completely agree with the author.
  21. +1
    21 June 2018 07: 42
    EBN after anyone anyhow did not leave!
    1. +1
      21 June 2018 08: 59
      yes he is there. seem to be. and didn’t solve anything already
  22. +3
    21 June 2018 07: 42
    The author, you, besides pouring mud at all, could offer something for decency.
    1. +7
      21 June 2018 08: 20
      but nothing to offer - the camp is full of natural wealth, which means people are not needed
      1. +6
        21 June 2018 09: 17
        As for me, since there is just a replacement of natural wealth by people. The point of puffing up and pulling diamonds out of the ground, if it is much easier to pull money out of a loader's pocket?
        1. 0
          22 June 2018 00: 15
          duck is a shvalev. but no shuvalov said! (the one who belongs to the half-English, working in the Ministry of our country wassat )
  23. +9
    21 June 2018 07: 51
    and how else can one perceive the cowardly botox insignificance?
    1. +5
      21 June 2018 08: 03
      Quote: Gennadich
      and how else can one perceive the cowardly botox insignificance?

      You overestimate him a little, in this "orchestra" he does not play the "first violin"
      1. +1
        21 June 2018 08: 38
        Yes, I am in the know dear. hi
    2. 0
      21 June 2018 17: 10
      Quote: Gennadich
      and how else can one perceive the cowardly botox insignificance?


      Said the "brave tailor."
      1. 0
        22 June 2018 13: 32
        the core is definitely stronger
  24. +4
    21 June 2018 07: 54
    The only cited fact of "robbery" is an increase in the state duty on a passport. This is at the level of one purchase of food for your favorite pussy. And how much is attachedoooooo!
    TINY! Not worthy of a warrior, even retired. ugh
    1. +9
      21 June 2018 09: 49
      Speak finely ... And nothing, what of these trifles, then the whole country has problems. There is a state duty, there are taxes, there is gasoline, but the salary does not increase ...
    2. +8
      21 June 2018 10: 44
      Quote: Victor N
      The only fact cited "robbery"

      What about VAT? Or do you hope that retailers will pay for it from your own pockets?
      1. +12
        21 June 2018 10: 59
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        What about VAT? Or do you hope that retailers will pay for it from your own pockets?

        I would add that if only retailers, we would still get off easily ... VAT is a multiplier tax. The farmer has purchased seeds - VAT is included in the price. I bought fertilizers - VAT in the price. I handed over the grain to the mill - the miller pays VAT. Baked bread - the bakery is laying VAT. Well, for the sake of completeness, I’ll mention retailers, they also lay VAT, which is written in good faith on the check.
        So it’s hard to say just as soon as the change in VAT affects the wallet, but the matter will not be limited to two percent.
        1. +7
          21 June 2018 11: 04
          Quote: forty-eighth
          VAT - tax multiplicative

          Snowball in Russian!
        2. 0
          21 June 2018 18: 52
          VAT seems to be reimbursed to all "intermediate links" of the production chain, but since this does not happen instantly, it still significantly affects the final price ...
          bread is a good example, but if you imagine a chain when creating some high-tech products, which should also be competitive, the result is much more “fun”
          1. +1
            21 June 2018 19: 21
            Quote: reservist
            but because this does not happen instantly, it still significantly affects the final price ...

            Those. the end consumer pays all the same (you and I), right?
            1. 0
              21 June 2018 20: 03
              Of course, he will pay the last one in the chain, i.e. we
              the manufacturer’s working capital does not materialize out of thin air, and until the VAT paid by him is returned from the budget, somehow the funds allocated to pay the VAT must be compensated ...
  25. +14
    21 June 2018 08: 06
    Yes, we are all sold here. And sold a long time ago. Sold to the capitalist system, which deeply spit on all our experiences.


    Each capitalist state has its own capitalist system acceptable only to it, just like socialism in the USSR and socialism in China, by the way.
    The Russian peasant has always perfectly understood that power must be fed and endured requisitions. But on the mountain, the young capitalists in the Russian people have their own clear concept of justice and the hope of justice in the future. And here, pension is the last hope for justice, to rest a bit before how to retreat to another world.
    Suddenly, the mala reformers decided to deprive the people of it. In fact, in Russia they introduced slavery, according to which the slave must work all his life and die at work.
    And then the people in indignation, as a famous hero of the film, will paraphrase and say, “And I will endure this viper in fear, no matter how worse it is. I have deprived my old people of their health when working for the state of their earned pension” and there will be a lot of blood.
    The young reformers did not even understand what they were doing, for I can only compare the resonance in society if the US authorities banned weapons for their citizens.
    They did not understand that the people choose Putin simply as an acceptable option from the whole pile of manure that they offer us for choice. Someone else will appear, we will choose it and get drunk so we’ll take it off.
    Putin and his entourage do not want to take into account the interests of the people, this is their problem. One should not be afraid of a war, but of such a world in which for as long as 25 years the country's population does not increase but is dying.
    And as if the media service staff did not persuade the people, as if the rapist was persuading his victim to violence, we all understand perfectly.
    We are not Ukraine, we are used to building a state from ruins and feed ourselves.
  26. +12
    21 June 2018 08: 13
    Bravo, Roman!
    Add a little nuance. Russia and no luck with natural resources! Because of their abundance, we never see normal power, it does not need to think about how to make money, it does not need to invent anything, just dig and sell from the land, for this a lot of people do not need to be strained and very tight too. It is from here that such neglect of people, from here such low salaries, from here the desolation of the outskirts and simply remote territories from large cities. It is useless to wait from such a government for some favorable decisions for the people, for them there are too many people in Russia, hence such laws.
    1. +3
      21 June 2018 14: 49
      just dig out of the ground and sell
      ... and if not only to dig and sell, but also from excavated, to make something necessary .. for which in line are lined up, just chocolate was ...
    2. +2
      21 June 2018 19: 44
      uskrabut, you are right. Nature has generously awarded Russia natural resources. These resources are needed to develop a vast territory with a predominantly harsh climate. But those in power have managed to turn this good into trouble. Instead of developing and landscaping the country using natural resources, a group of people sold all the resources - profit only for the West, like the cheap energy resources themselves, for the country and the people - there is nothing. People are used as a resource for tax collection. None of those in power consider ordinary citizens people with equal rights. Why would they create something for the country they are selling. Today Siluanov explained the cheap ruble: at current oil prices, $ db about 50 rubles, but thanks to the new budget rule it costs 65 (Thanks to the Central Bank!), so that there would be no volatility. And the consequences of this are the high price of gasoline, which will be followed by a jump in prices for all goods, and Sechin is indignant that he is getting less than a billion profits due to the fact that he has to leave part of the gasoline on the domestic market. It would not be overpriced $ - and the price of gasoline would remain at the usual level. Where is the country heading? It's time to replace the car with horses: everything so that Sechin gets the maximum profit and sends it to the west.
  27. +7
    21 June 2018 08: 18
    Roman, thanks for the article, I agree that we have an anti-people government and an anti-people nominee of the aligarchs president, but I think not everyone wants to take off the pink glasses.
  28. +5
    21 June 2018 08: 22
    Quote: Per se.
    Socialism was different because it was just beginning to develop, and did not have such a history as capitalism.

    ----------------------------
    Socialism is just one of the stages of the transition to capitalism. And when late socialism began to give systemic failures, there was an option not to ruin everything completely, but to establish a transition period again, that is, to allow private initiative from below to develop, while retaining commanding heights in the economy and control over the basic industries, to transfer the non-oil part of the economy to export. To do this, it was necessary not to destroy the USSR and CMEA, but to act exactly the opposite. But this task was non-trivial and certainly not too tough for the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Politburo. Those whom they sent to study returned as traitors, and the party super-self wanted a convergence, a merger of 2 systems. So it turned out how it happened, it turned out the counter-revolution.
  29. +4
    21 June 2018 08: 23
    Quote: uskrabut
    Add a little nuance. Russia and no luck with natural resources!

    -------------------------
    Rather, with the territories, they are huge. The low population density and harsh climate compel us to strict centralization, and our center has recently been acting against us.
  30. +6
    21 June 2018 08: 25
    Common people were thought of in the USSR, a socialist state. Russia has long returned to capitalism, so why moan?
    They themselves allowed a great country to be destroyed and plundered, and now are you looking for the perpetrators among the oligarchs? Yes, find and see the mirror of the specific person to blame for your personal misfortunes.
  31. +3
    21 June 2018 08: 30
    Well, I wrote a critical article. About the president and his government. I have every right to make my opinion under rotten eggs and rotten tomatoes.
    So here. That article was written not by this Roman Skomorokhov, but by another Roman Skomorokhov. In that article, I rode more than once. And for THIS to the author, PLUSER !!!
  32. 0
    21 June 2018 08: 33
    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    No, it’s normal for someone, someone, having created an idol for himself (contrary to the precepts of his church) and cultivating personality, he believes that everything is fine.

    You forgot about the very first commandment:
    1 commandment: "I am the Lord your God ... May you have no other gods before My face" (Exodus 20: 2-3).
    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    We recently voted for the president.

    What does Putin have to do with it? Was he messing up with gasoline or with pensions?
    1. +12
      21 June 2018 09: 51
      Quote: Boris55
      What does Putin have to do with it? Was he messing up with gasoline or with pensions?

      He is the head of state. So he is responsible for everything that happens in the country.
      1. 0
        21 June 2018 10: 08
        Quote: solzh
        He is the head of state. So he is responsible for everything that happens in the country.

        Putin’s power is limited to Medvedev’s power. Medvedev, through the Duma controlled by him, adopts laws that Putin is required to comply with.
        We all live by the laws that the elected Duma adopts. According to the plan that was approved (the budget) by us, the elected Duma. Putin took the legislative initiative and issued a May decree, but if the Duma does not allocate a dime, they will not be implemented when. So who really rules the country? The one who issues decrees, or the one who manages money?
        1. +5
          21 June 2018 11: 49
          Quote: Boris55
          According to the plan that approved (budget) us elected Duma.

          Even if I voted for EP, I would never vote for Fedyaev’s son. All these primaries of EP - pure deception of voters. Now the Duma is electing itself ...
        2. +5
          21 June 2018 15: 41
          Putin’s power is limited by Medvedev’s power
          That is, he returns the Crimea, fights in Syria, the genius of foreign politicians and other, other, but he can’t cope with Medvedev. So maybe we do not need such a helpless?
  33. +2
    21 June 2018 08: 46
    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    But Syria and Donbass did nothing. Just because the fault of Donbass is that there are no interests of Miller and Sechin.

    This is not why Putin gave an answer to this question. In Crimea, according to agents, for Russia it was ~ 90%. In the Donbass - 50 / 50. What do you want our guys to meet in the afternoon with flowers, and shoot at the back at night? In addition, Putin advised them not to hold any referenda since we need a whole, independent Ukraine, and in a whole Ukraine there are more about Russian-minded people, and this would guarantee the independence of Ukraine. Separating the Donbass from the rest of Ukraine, we ended up with Bandera Ukraine.

    Much has been said about Syria. We are conducting a war there, so that the war does not come to our house.

    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    "Upstairs" all are smeared in one world. Capitalist

    But have we chosen the Communist Duma? The people unanimously voted for capitalism. The will of the people must be respected or seek a different people.

    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    What difference does it make, with which end of this stick will the money be kicked out of us?

    You really don’t understand what is the difference? Are you ready to turn over the country to the West? How are you different from Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Chubais, Kudrin Matvienko, Medvedev, etc.? Are they your idols?
    1. +8
      21 June 2018 09: 03
      In addition, Putin advised them not to hold any referenda since we need a whole, independent Ukraine,
      Well, right kindergarten ... you can’t discuss it seriously
      1. 0
        21 June 2018 09: 28
        Quote: Igoresha
        Well, right kindergarten ... you can’t discuss it seriously

        Another tutor drew. laughing Do not want to discuss - do not discuss!
    2. +6
      21 June 2018 10: 02
      If you give you the opportunity to decide something, then you will make a saint of Putin ...
      1. +4
        21 June 2018 10: 14
        Quote: solzh
        If you give you the opportunity to decide something, then you will make a saint of Putin ...

        I just fulfill the first commandment: “I am the Lord your God ... May there be no other gods before me” (Exodus 20: 2-3). The idol should be alone!
        But seriously, I have claims against Putin, but I will keep them with me, if only for the reason that I don’t possess even a fraction of the information that lays down on his desk daily.
        1. +6
          21 June 2018 11: 30
          Quote: Boris55
          that I don’t possess even a fraction of the information that lays daily on his desk.

          Are you sure that the necessary information is put on his table? You have confidence that he:
          In the morning, smears a sandwich -
          Immediately thought: what about the people?
          And the caviar does not climb into the throat,
          And compote does not pour into your mouth!
    3. +2
      21 June 2018 15: 43
      we need a whole, independent Ukraine
      And here you are lying mean, if Putin needed Ukraine, millions would not invest in anti-Ukrainian television programs.
    4. +1
      21 June 2018 15: 52
      Here it is not necessary to disturb Ukraine here. This is a common challenge, both to Putin, and to the Russian bourgeoisie, and to the rest of the people. External call. The current "anti-Russia" must be dealt with separately, no matter what the system in Russia is. As a result, to slaughter the Natsiks in Ukraine, even directly, even indirectly, is simply the direct duty of even the oligarch in Putin’s law, even for the communist Pupkin.
  34. +2
    21 June 2018 08: 54
    Ha. Like, you need to get smarter, but he repeats all the expert templates about "Leshenka Navalny" in good faith ....
    as well as many others. They themselves can’t organize anything, but they can smash the unnamed - in the forefront.
    Such animal hatred, where is Chubais ....
  35. +4
    21 June 2018 09: 08
    Navalny will bring out the protests, absolutely no difference, everything has been calculated for a long time and decisions have been made to tighten the screws and further rob the population, only slight deviations in the amounts (retirement years) are possible. That's when the people clicks and closes in the head, hold on to Putin's power, but for now the time has apparently not yet come.
  36. +4
    21 June 2018 09: 20
    Comrade Skomorokhov is stamping the article ..... probably there’s not even time to watch football ...
    1. +5
      21 June 2018 15: 47
      Yes, the compote is football. This is me as an amateur football player with 20 years of experience. Football is in the yard, and the Premier League and the national team are laundering dough and a feast during the plague.
  37. +11
    21 June 2018 09: 39
    Quote: Boris55


    But Syria and Donbass did nothing. Just because the fault of Donbass is that there are no interests of Miller and Sechin.

    This is not why Putin gave an answer to this question. In Crimea, according to agents, for Russia it was ~ 90%. In the Donbass - 50 / 50. What do you want our guys to meet in the afternoon with flowers, and shoot at the back at night? In addition, Putin advised them not to hold any referenda since we need a whole, independent Ukraine, and in a whole Ukraine there are more about Russian-minded people, and this would guarantee the independence of Ukraine. Separating the Donbass from the rest of Ukraine, we ended up with Bandera Ukraine.

    Much has been said about Syria. We are conducting a war there, so that the war does not come to our house.

    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    "Upstairs" all are smeared in one world. Capitalist

    But have we chosen the Communist Duma? The people unanimously voted for capitalism. The will of the people must be respected or seek a different people.

    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    What difference does it make, with which end of this stick will the money be kicked out of us?

    You really don’t understand what is the difference? Are you ready to turn over the country to the West? How are you different from Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Chubais, Kudrin Matvienko, Medvedev, etc.? Are they your idols?

    -------------------------------
    1) There could not be 50/50 in the Donbass, it is necessary to look at the results of the referenda, how many came and how they voted. Undercover data does not channel.
    2) Syria is the First Gazprom, even Putin confirmed on the Direct Line "economic interest", you can once again listen to his answer.
    3) In the elections, we obviously have 20% tightened up. It even shows a telly. Changing the election results during the broadcast. In Siberia for the Communists and the Liberal Democratic Party, in the European part of the squad for EdRo.
    4) The country has long been surrendered to the West, we do not know the beneficiaries of large companies, who they are and where they are. In addition, large companies violate the Constitution. The Constitution states that "sovereignty extends to the entire territory of the country" and then there is the squad "whose Crimea?".
    1. 0
      21 June 2018 09: 47
      Quote: Altona
      In Donbass, there couldn’t be 50 / 50, it’s necessary to look at the results of referenda,

      And then you write:
      In the elections we have clearly 20% tighten up.

      Do you think everything was garlic?
      Quote: Altona
      The First Gazpromovaya is in Syria, even Putin confirmed on the Direct Line "economic interest"

      Not without it. After all, all state employees, doctors, teachers, students, etc. receive money and thanks to gas, even though its share in the country's budget is declining, it is still large.
      Quote: Altona
      The country has long been surrendered to the West

      Yes. This is so people like that they have it in all the cracks.
  38. +4
    21 June 2018 09: 46
    Not an article, but a stream of consciousness. What is its meaning? “That they are one family, that they will not deprive themselves” - this is already understandable. What, we need to urgently grow smart, okay. And then what ??? the author didn’t offer anything - was he afraid to be stupid? the author did not call for anything (except for a sharp controversy) - was he afraid of responsibility? Why are these "snot and drool"?
    I will try to present the situation, as I see it, despite the fact that I could be wrong. Putin previously repeated: "if you want to steer the country, offer and take responsibility." Liberasty + foreign-Ko heard, thought, chose the psychologically convenient time period for them — the World Cup, “launched the old barrel organ”: increasing the retirement age and VAT, new privatization (to spread rot and rob, spoil the World Cup by protests). (I would like to compare with throwing drozhey in the summer toilet).
    The authorities took a time out until the end of the World Cup, so as not to spoil it - not to play lemongrass (English) + Co. People worry, but Putin, for all the years, was not seen by me in the outright scam of the population and in violation of his word. And, Peskov made it clear - no time yet for this topic, enjoy the World Cup.
    At such times, alarmists are best manifested, unstable and unsure people and enemies.
  39. +7
    21 June 2018 09: 50
    Carefully, as it seemed to me, I read the article. The meaning that he saw: "We must do something!" "You have to get smarter."
    Roman: is that all? What else needs to be done? Or will they do everything for us and with us, so that they live better, and we can only grow wiser, because there is no one to replace Pu, for there is "capitalism"?
    I disagree with the last assumption. I am for impeachment.
  40. +3
    21 June 2018 09: 51
    Quote: Boris55
    And then you write:
    In the elections we have clearly 20% tighten up.

    Do you think everything was garlic?

    ---------------------------
    And then what's the point of twisting them? They did not have an official CEC, the referendum was popular, with popular money and initiative. There were no people with weapons yet. It is now possible to intimidate a person and force him to change his mind.
    1. 0
      21 June 2018 10: 20
      Quote: Altona
      And then what's the point of twisting them?

      So far, the ballots are faceless - no elections can be trusted anywhere. Elections are a means of manipulating the consciousness of many in the interests of the individual.
      1. +3
        21 June 2018 11: 27
        Quote: Boris55
        So far, the ballots are faceless - no elections can be trusted anywhere. Elections are a means of manipulating the consciousness of many in the interests of the individual.

        The easiest option is the introduction of personal electronic cards (like banking). Here, control is easier and you can vote without leaving your home.
        1. +3
          21 June 2018 14: 24
          and so that everyone can check how the balance is in the database, to whom his voice has gone fellow
          but this will not happen because you can’t rig it, so I gave my vote and to whom it was shoved in the general mass is unknown
  41. +3
    21 June 2018 09: 51
    Quote: Mishmih999
    Not an article, but a stream of consciousness. What is its meaning? “That they are one family, that they will not deprive themselves” - this is already understandable. What, we need to urgently grow smart, okay. And then what ??? the author didn’t offer anything - was he afraid to be stupid? the author did not call for anything (except for a sharp controversy) - was he afraid of responsibility? Why are these "snot and drool"?
    I will try to present the situation, as I see it, despite the fact that I could be wrong. Putin previously repeated: "if you want to steer the country, offer and take responsibility." Liberasty + foreign-Ko heard, thought, chose the psychologically convenient time period for them — the World Cup, “launched the old barrel organ”: increasing the retirement age and VAT, new privatization (to spread rot and rob, spoil the World Cup by protests). (I would like to compare with throwing drozhey in the summer toilet).
    The authorities took a time out until the end of the World Cup, so as not to spoil it - not to play lemongrass (English) + Co. People worry, but Putin, for all the years, was not seen by me in the outright scam of the population and in violation of his word. And, Peskov made it clear - no time yet for this topic, enjoy the World Cup.
    At such times, alarmists are best manifested, unstable and unsure people and enemies.

    The only thing surprising is the “chicken-stupid” words of Matvienko (there was a kind of very sensible woman): faster, faster, complete the pension reform. Change it, is it time ???
  42. +4
    21 June 2018 10: 00
    Quote: Gardamir
    The article is called ambiguous. But perhaps the most hooked about capitalism is that all capitalism is the same. And let's remember the times are now distant. Socialism Stalin is not like Khrushchev, but the well-fed bureaucrat Brezhnev is far from both of them. But there was something unified, which allowed us to call socialism socialism.
    So now I am sure that Grudininsky capitalism would be different. No better or worse, you can’t pose the question like that, but another.

    Grudinin production worker ???? do not tell my slippers .... by golly .... what does he produce? ...
    1. +8
      21 June 2018 11: 24
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      Grudinin production worker ???? do not tell my slippers .... by golly .... what does he produce? ...

      How do you answer so as not to slap your face? belay You go and ask on the spot. Now YOU, a connoisseur of production, tell us what you produce? What has the Medvedev government done, that we are constantly shaking feverishly from their "production" initiatives?
    2. 0
      21 June 2018 19: 07
      strawberries, no worse than Krasnodar, it’s better
      + dairy farm for over 1000 heads
      maybe there’s something else that usually farms are grown ...
      In fairness, I note that in the last century he was called the main landlord of the Leninsky district of the Moscow region
      1. +1
        22 June 2018 23: 56
        Interestingly, and he lard from strawberries and from a thousand goals raped ?? Damn, I’m urgently moving on to growing strawberries. I also want lard.
        1. 0
          25 June 2018 11: 50
          want is not harmful ...
          especially if there is land in the near Moscow region ...
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  44. +24
    21 June 2018 10: 09
    "Why this time the retirement age venture even outraged the deep layers of the people who are usually indifferent to all kinds of innovations of the authorities?
    But the fact is that Putin, according to popular beliefs, made a throw.
    Moreover, such an opportunity was at the very same presidential election. What prevented Putin from informing voters: yes, this way and that, the situation with pensions is bad, so I’m still going to raise my retirement age, I can’t hesitate, please support me.
    Nothing got in the way. Well, maybe Putin would get not 74, but 64% of the vote. At a lower turnout. Maybe that would be 54%. But he was generally silent!
    Why? I was afraid that if you said such a thing, he would not have been elected at all? Or did he consider that he was entitled to perform any actions without regard to the people devoted to him?
    But in any case, he offended people. And this is precisely the main problem for the Kremlin now. If there they still do not understand, then they will soon understand.
    After all, power is actually a rather ephemeral thing. Ultimately, it is a product of the consent of some people to obey others. When consensus erodes, the strongest empires begin to crumble.

    And the saddest thing for Putin: even if he wins back, this will not return confidence. Here, as they say, "once lied."
    Alexey Roshchin

    "In particular, Putin was seriously mistaken in entrusting the liberals with continuing their economic policies. The result is rising gas prices, increasing VAT, pension reform ... The last mistake is the most painful, because here the" boyars "got into the prerogative of the" king "...

    And Putin was driven into a situation where he was obliged to speak to the people: “So-and-so, so-and-so — in disgrace to distant monasteries, so-and-so — just from their posts and to their estates indefinitely!” Because the alternative is the slogan: "The king is not real!" And you don’t need to think what will blow this time. "
    Mikhail Khazin
    1. +1
      21 June 2018 10: 38
      They have been talking about raising the retirement age for several years now - alas, this is an economic necessity. In general, I would have left only a social pension, and 13% of the income — let everyone postpone the labor pension, throughout his life — this will be fair.
      1. +17
        21 June 2018 11: 19
        Quote: Vadim237
        ... throughout his life - it will be fair.

        1. It is fair when in one country all who are its citizens, regardless of their position, live according to the same laws.
        2. It is fair when a citizen receives worthy remuneration for his work.
        3. It is fair when the owner (manager) of an enterprise (production) transfers to the PF a certain statutory percentage of the salary fund.
        4. It is fair when the state calculates old-age payments based on length of service under one law, regardless of past merits and positions, for in retirement, as in a bathhouse, everyone is equal.
        5. It is true that if someone wants to live in old age in a private house with security and departure, then receiving a salary during work (while in office) he must open his own account (zashashnik) and be personally worried, not hoping for status laws "exceptional" people in the state.
        6. It is fair when the constitution is written by the people, and not by State Deputies. And already written, do not change for the sake of their ambitions.
        7. It is fair when the salary of state people is tied to the minimum wage and does not differ from it tens (hundreds) times ...
        8 ... request
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    3. +3
      21 June 2018 12: 22
      Take your time and calm down.
      Putin has not thrown anyone yet and has not lied to anyone.
      The issue is not resolved; it is being worked out. Peskov said that while the World Cup passes, this is not the time to resolve the issue. Why spoil the World Cup?
      Wait for a decision and then either rush into a panic, or you will remember the above.
      1. +11
        21 June 2018 13: 48
        Quote: Mishmih999
        Take your time and calm down.

        We are not in a hurry ... Until the seventeenth of March 2024 there is still a lot of time. And calm is the medicine that is available to me the most ... Yes
        Quote: Mishmih999
        Putin has not thrown anyone yet and has not lied to anyone.

        He did not “betray” not one of his “sidekicks” from the company of the Leningrad Sobchakov party. He found a place for everyone, attached everyone. And most importantly, ANYONE and NEVER lied. And, if you dig deeper, omitting all the decrees and pre-election statements that have broken the tongue in different years, it turns out that he promised nothing to anyone. One thing said. There will be no return to the past. What kind of past infuriates him can only guess ... request
        Quote: Mishmih999
        The issue is not resolved; it is being worked out. Peskov said that while the World Cup passes, this is not the time to resolve the issue. Why spoil the World Cup?

        We are in these international events, like a litter, we’re sweeping ... There the World Universiade is approaching (we won’t spoil the event), then some other railway to the Crimea (we won’t spoil the holiday for people) ... Peskov watches for 37 million rubles continues to wear? We really believe him ...
        Quote: Mishmih999
        Wait for a decision and then either rush into a panic, or you will remember the above.

        This is a threat? Are you going to remember something? Sit and squeeze a chair, state memorial. Gorbachev was also afraid to express all his mistakes in the declared pluralism. Now neither the USSR, nor Gorbachev, nor mistakes ...
        1. +3
          21 June 2018 15: 13
          There is no threat, just your colleagues will consider you a bolabol, and they will not take your words seriously.
          And, in general, you can see the trusting relationship with the “Putin’s sidekicks”, who confidentially told you about the vile betrayals. With Peskov you are "on a short leg", he even showed you a check for the ill-fated clock ....
          Well, what are you dropping up here. do something, bolabol ... and not scream: "everything is gone, boss" !!!
          OOOOO, give us back the old retirement age, oh mighty ross42, and the whole country will say that you are superman!
          1. +2
            21 June 2018 16: 22
            Quote: Mishmih999
            Well, here you are, do something ...

            You oppose the local provocateur. It's useless.
            By the way, good advice: read the Rules (link under the cut), I do not recommend breaking them - admins watch Yes
            1. 0
              22 June 2018 15: 18
              Thank you.
        2. +2
          21 June 2018 16: 16
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Gorbachev was also afraid to express all his mistakes in the declared pluralism. Now neither the USSR, nor Gorbachev, nor mistakes ...

          This should be carved in granite good
  45. +4
    21 June 2018 10: 18
    Quote: Silvestr
    But the fact is that Putin, according to popular beliefs, made a throw.

    What the hell is he signing the law on raising the retirement age? Like market women, all I hear is singing, crowds ...
  46. +13
    21 June 2018 10: 19
    What is the additional difference between pension reform and Gaidar reforms? She has a delayed effect. The most serious consequences will come after 2024. That is, there will be neither that president nor that government. And the new ones will open the envelope with the famous advice: "Pour everything on us."

    And the consequences will be terrible. The bill is signing the death penalty for hundreds of thousands of our fellow citizens. This will especially affect residents of small towns, former single-industry towns. There is no work and never will be. For the elderly - even more so. Apartments are not for sale there. It will not be possible to exchange real estate for cheaper and try to live on the difference. A lonely general end.
    The desire to replace the population dying in this way with peppy migrants (mainly from Ukraine) by generously distributing Russian passports, alas, will not bring any special results. And the side effects are known.
    You are rummaging through your pockets now, and you are slamming your eyes. “I was going to work already.” Well, well done, take a lollipop from the shelf. “Oh, it’s not very big money” - can you have five thousand every month in the gateways, don’t be upset? Great position. What is it called there? The position of the patient. Go laugh over the Ukrainians. It's possible.
    Olga Tuhanina
    1. +1
      21 June 2018 13: 27
      Work is an incentive to live longer.
  47. +7
    21 June 2018 10: 29
    Quote: Mishmih999
    Not an article, but a stream of consciousness. What is its meaning? “That they are one family, that they will not deprive themselves” - this is already understandable. What, we need to urgently grow smart, okay. And then what ??? the author didn’t offer anything - was he afraid to be stupid? the author did not call for anything (except for a sharp controversy) - was he afraid of responsibility? Why are these "snot and drool"?
    I will try to present the situation, as I see it, despite the fact that I could be wrong. Putin previously repeated: "if you want to steer the country, offer and take responsibility." Liberasty + foreign-Ko heard, thought, chose the psychologically convenient time period for them — the World Cup, “launched the old barrel organ”: increasing the retirement age and VAT, new privatization (to spread rot and rob, spoil the World Cup by protests). (I would like to compare with throwing drozhey in the summer toilet).
    The authorities took a time out until the end of the World Cup, so as not to spoil it - not to play lemongrass (English) + Co. People worry, but Putin, for all the years, was not seen by me in the outright scam of the population and in violation of his word. And, Peskov made it clear - no time yet for this topic, enjoy the World Cup.
    At such times, alarmists are best manifested, unstable and unsure people and enemies.

    Half-country alarmists ... of course, you need to nod, keep quiet in a rag and wait until they climb into your pocket, then when you leave without pants, the guard will scream too late!
    And Putin’s power has slipped into his pocket so many times that he can’t count. Here you have excise taxes and gas and the funded part of the pension, and how many times you got into your pocket to improve your image, the Olympics, the World Cup, etc., you canceled the benefits, anti-sanctions at whose expense, bank rehabilitation and recapitalization of VTB Sberbank, etc. Yes, there are trillions !!!? You seem to have a poor idea of ​​how the government got into your pocket, why be surprised at millions like you.
    1. +1
      21 June 2018 15: 02
      Well, let's say you have a good idea of ​​how the government got into your pocket, and what, besides the saliva you wrote above, are you demonstrating here ???
      What do you offer specifically? What is the damage in units of measurement now?
      Well, if, you often climb your pockets, then tear them yourself away.
      1. 0
        22 June 2018 02: 00
        So you suggest it, not me ...
        Enjoy the World Cup, and there is no kidalov winked . And the fact that a person is allowed to retire after a year, and he has almost 150 pieces pulled out of his pocket is nothing, people are simply not sure of yourself in your opinion, and enemies are possible, and there are hundreds of thousands of them. We will see of course what will happen next. I’m not drowning for myself, I have earned it for myself, I bought and rent commerce, I haven’t received anything from the state, I haven’t received any apartments, no benefits, no benefits, I haven’t been on allowance, I haven’t participated in privatization, and I don’t wait, like that.
  48. +18
    21 June 2018 10: 39
    Putin could not forgive the first refusal to debate when nominated for a second term, as well as the lies with which he whitewashed Yeltsin’s rule. It was impossible to forgive the appointment of mediocrity and frank grabbers to government posts. Don’t ask yourself: “Will the people of Putin forgive or not?” The herd does not give instructions to the leader, and he does not need a guide. Whether Putin needs this forgiveness is the question. And the herd, which voted despite and despite not even noticing, that part of it begins to turn into carcasses suspended from hooks. This awaits everyone if it obediently goes to the slaughterhouse. Remember, once this brisk old man remembered the law of the street, which says that if a fight is inevitable - hit first. Only this man forgot that in a brawl a speed bump is not beaten, just like women, children and the elderly.
    The question is not only in retirement age, but in five points - 1. An increase in the retirement age by 5 years for men and 8 years for women; .... die of happiness at work. 2. Increase in value added tax (VAT) up to 20%; I think you know what will follow. 3. The increase in OSAGO tariffs by 20%; 4. The increase in gas prices and the increase in housing and communal services tariffs. 5. Rising food prices.
    Putin and Co. profiled money in Syria, mundiales, the support of "friends", so it turns like a frying pan, trying to solve the issue of the country's survival now only on the people's account, not forgetting to throw a billionaire to a friend.
    But more and more often a simple question arises:
    1. +3
      21 June 2018 10: 51
      Zhores Alferov- "the mind of honor and conscience" of the Russian Federation, even Navalny let's quote ...
  49. +3
    21 June 2018 10: 51
    There is no law as such, there is a project that will change for a long time more than once, and already the screams, everything is gone, the plaster is removed, the client leaves.
    I read all the comments and in one of them, as an example of another robbery, the Internet income tax and the like. Dear, so millions of people here and not only, stupidly surf the Internet, and in various ways they get pretty big money, without making NOTHING and not paying with these revenues at all NOTHING ..
    hysteria and mass psychosis have never been brought to good ... twice in the country they destroyed everything to the ground .. and then what ???
    Yes, it is necessary to protest, it is necessary to criticize, BUT it is necessary to offer real things ... and not just, select and divide everything
    1. +5
      21 June 2018 10: 52
      They want to bring the crowd to the Maidan, that's the whole point of tantrums
  50. +3
    21 June 2018 10: 55
    Quote: Altona
    Socialism is just one of the stages of the transition to capitalism.

    -----------------------
    Began to talk ... From capitalism to communism ... Both private and collective property are inherent in socialism ...
    1. 0
      21 June 2018 13: 30
      Forget about socialism - it will never be in Russia.
      1. +5
        21 June 2018 15: 15
        Well, if you said, then everything - let's forget.
      2. +1
        22 June 2018 00: 06
        Quote: Vadim237
        Forget about socialism - it will never be in Russia.

        A. Wasserman said that if there is no more, then everything will die out. True, he did not say about Russia, but about all of humanity. He is certainly not God, to know everything, but he is responsible for the bazaar - before you say anything, the question is deeply worked through. And she’s not afraid to admit mistakes - because he admitted that he didn’t think like that back in the 90s.
        1. 0
          22 June 2018 00: 24
          There will be a market economy, rich and poor - this is forever.
          1. +1
            22 June 2018 12: 05
            Forever. In order to understand your position you should add - and therefore there is no reason for optimism, (pessimism). Based on this, there may be different counterarguments. But, in the general case, “forever” - this contradicts scientific ideas about the dialectical process of the development of nature and society. Development is inevitable, but either with a + sign (progress) or a sign (-) - regression (degradation). The grounds for optimism that there will be progress are not even supposed for the near future. So everything will be according to Wasserman, and, given the observed and extremely aggravated crises of the world development of the capitalist economy at the present time, which historically have always been resolved by world wars, this certainly will not last forever.
            1. 0
              22 June 2018 14: 51
              A market economy will not disappear, just like money.
              1. 0
                22 June 2018 19: 39
                Well, those who seek to manage the global economy themselves seek to withdraw the money that we know. Gref was so dodged in realizing this goal, trying to justify that only a plastic card is our everything. In the future, the integrated chip is shining for all of us. But in general, money is a complicated thing and performs a lot of functions that should not be performed in a normal society, so as not to breed social parasites. But Gref in the Court once already explained that this was not fraud, but "the historically established practice of banks." And that's it, now they can do it ... And about the market economy in American popular literature for children (maybe it was written only for our children) it says that in the USA there is both capitalism and socialism, since there is a combination of market and planned economy. Well, this is if primitive. So your statement can be taken on faith, if there is no reason for doubt.
  51. +1
    21 June 2018 10: 58
    Роман, а я все равно выкопаю...
  52. +14
    21 June 2018 11: 04
    Он не плохой и не хороший. Не черно-белый. И у него есть ходы, которые лично мне реально нравятся. Крым, Усть-Луга, плавучая атомная станция на Севере и всё...

    Собственно, все плоды, в целом... request
    Путин, как кот в благоустроенной квартире. Мышей ловить не надо. Его кормят и гости, которые заходят к хозяева, удивляются, как это он молодо выглядит для своих лет, какая на нём густая шерсть и он умеет мурлыкать и пускать искры...
    Один пример. На Сочинскую Олимпиаду планировалось затратить 8 млрд.долларов. Всех цифр никто не заявил, приход-расход тоже неизвестен. Скажите, вы с 2014 года слышали в СМИ, что было проведено расследование и установлено, куда делись лишние, затраченные на строительство миллиарды?
    Вот мы слышим и в СМИ, и от чиновников - это рынок. Какой тут рынок? Кто-то проводил конкурсы? Кто-то взял на строительство зарубежную фирму? Скажете санкции? Так они эти санкции придумали, чтобы не было в России эффективных застройщиков, а были всякие Билаловы и Ротенберги, просто "ох...сельдереевшие" бизнесмены, место которым вовсе не в списках на государственные подряды, а на скамье и на нарах...Друзья по спортивной секции. У меня друг был - снайпер...и что?
    Это - гнилая команда. Ни одного объекта в стране не было возведено с перерасходом. Ни одного...Всё моют и моют. Одни - бабло, другие - нам мозги...
  53. +3
    21 June 2018 11: 14
    Блин, как я сразу не посмотрел что автор Роман Скоморохов, время бы зря не потратил...
  54. +4
    21 June 2018 11: 19
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Он не плохой и не хороший. Не черно-белый. И у него есть ходы, которые лично мне реально нравятся. Крым, Усть-Луга, плавучая атомная станция на Севере и всё...

    Собственно, все плоды, в целом... request
    Путин, как кот в благоустроенной квартире. Мышей ловить не надо. Его кормят и гости, которые заходят к хозяева, удивляются, как это он молодо выглядит для своих лет, какая на нём густая шерсть и он умеет мурлыкать и пускать искры...
    Один пример. На Сочинскую Олимпиаду планировалось затратить 8 млрд.долларов. Всех цифр никто не заявил, приход-расход тоже неизвестен. Скажите, вы с 2014 года слышали в СМИ, что было проведено расследование и установлено, куда делись лишние, затраченные на строительство миллиарды?
    Вот мы слышим и в СМИ, и от чиновников - это рынок. Какой тут рынок? Кто-то проводил конкурсы? Кто-то взял на строительство зарубежную фирму? Скажете санкции? Так они эти санкции придумали, чтобы не было в России эффективных застройщиков, а были всякие Билаловы и Ротенберги, просто "ох...сельдереевшие" бизнесмены, место которым вовсе не в списках на государственные подряды, а на скамье и на нарах...Друзья по спортивной секции. У меня друг был - снайпер...и что?
    Это - гнилая команда. Ни одного объекта в стране не было возведено с перерасходом. Ни одного...Всё моют и моют. Одни - бабло, другие - нам мозги...

    А до этого что в советские годы,что в 90-е все строили копеечка в копеечку???
    1. +1
      21 June 2018 22: 20
      А, кто кроме "семейки" и ее челяди говорит о том, что это были "святые годы"?:))) В советские был расстрел за кражу госимущества с конфискацией.
  55. +6
    21 June 2018 12: 07
    Очень бы хотелось проведения референдума с двумя вопросами. Первый, естественно, про самое нынче актуальное - пенсионный возраст. Второй - нужна ли нам армия захребетников, живущих за наш счет, протирающие зады на бесконечных заседаниях в Думе центральной и на местном уровне.
    Уверен - результаты будут предсказуемы.
    С автором абсолютно согласен - мы сами эту СВОРУ привели к власти...
  56. +3
    21 June 2018 12: 08
    «Дорогие мои, снимайте розовые очки дети и взрослые, которые недалеко от детей ушли. Все у вас слезы, топотание ножонками, стучание кулачками и все такое. Полные обидки и лужи слезок. хомячковая биомасса, стадо баранов, которое ведут стричь, или стадо, которое ведут резать либо под нож, либо под ножницы.»
    Приятненькое обращение автора не правда ли. А що предлагает гигант мысли в результате? Не понял. Тогда давай споем –« Вставай, проклятьем заклеймённый хомячек. Весь мир насилья мы разрушим До основанья, а затем Мы наш, мы новый мир построим, Кто был ничем - тот станет всем!»
    1. +1
      21 June 2018 22: 35
      Поднят вопрос формирования бюджета и его расходной части. Это и является проблемой РФ. Пополнение бюджета за счет беззащитных в пользу оседлавших власть братанов, без ревизии бюджета и введения прогрессивного налога невозможно. Вероятно, придется ввести и налог на роскошь, что неприемлимо для Питерской ОПГ. Отмена льгот чиновников с десятикратным уменьшением их зарплат даже не обсуждается. Почему? Почему не говорим о том, сколько работников ПФ РФ находятся на содержании пенсионеров и почему для них строятся дворцы на пенсионные отчисления? Почему мы не говорим об огромной армии опричников в РФ, имеющих льготный возраст ухода на пенсию. На кого легли расходы по их содержанию? На "АЙфончика" или его "пахана"? Обсуждать-то есть что, только нас к обсуждению не пригласили. нас поставили перед фактом, надеясь, что "пипл схавает". Не схавал и теперь на кону целостность Государства и, надеюсь без Питерской братвы во-главе.
  57. +1
    21 June 2018 13: 32
    Роман. Спасибо! Отличная статья. Лично меня достали товарищи, которые вещают: "А кто, если не Путин ?". Как будто в огромной стране других людей нет достойных. Просто нужна идея (идеология), которая "направит" охлос. Для меня лично "народная монархия" в духе Солоневича, для моих знакомых - русский национал-социализм. В любом случае, все говорят о социализме. А нынешняя власть пытается срастить Ужа и Ежа: патриотизм с олигархизмом, или наоборот: олигархизм с патриотизмом.
    1. +3
      21 June 2018 13: 43
      Очень часто в комментариях есть этот посыл :" "А кто, если не Путин ?". Как будто в огромной стране других людей нет достойных."и я каждый раз задаю вопрос,а кто на Ваш взгляд,ФИО?
      мне сразу отвечают что мол я верный Путинец....я не верный путинец,я очень критично к нему отношусь,но эта фраза бесит,и к футболистам ее применяют,типа страна большая а 11 человек найти не могут и т.д.
      Вот и у Вас хочу спросить,а кто?Ф.И.О.спасибо если ответите
      1. 0
        21 June 2018 13: 58
        Для меня Рогозин. Давно за ним "наблюдаю", ещё с КРО и партии "Родина".
        1. +3
          21 June 2018 15: 47
          Рогозин, весь космос чуть не похерил, другого ищите, он патриот только на словах
  58. +3
    21 June 2018 14: 00
    Бузить пойду!!!!Но либо с профсоюзами,либо с коммунистами!!!Власть к ответу!!!
  59. +3
    21 June 2018 14: 06
    А лично я не понимаю другого: так просто орать ,что нас обманывают и все плохие? What for? Негатив дароже ценят? Извечная интелегентская тяга к фронде в любом проявлении-я не согласен с руководством,значит я честны ...чуть не сказал "фраер". Давайте проще...А о чём сыр бор? Вот есть огромная ,не поворолтливая своими размерами ,но богатая страна. И эта огромность и неповоротливость снабжена как и любое управляемое образование государственного типа ,встроенной коррупцией и пропагандой. Просто у нас , у не причёсанной варварской страны эти все "крадунские" маневры не прикрыты лаком организованности и считаются воровством. Да оно потрясает,но потрясает не в малой степени и тем,что вообще в людскую мораль не встроено,ни как лобирование,ни как ещё какя либо форма ,включая какие-нибудь "встречные" гранты или ещё что-нибудь. Управляемость страной -вообще задача тяжкая. Когда-нибудь всё наладится с изобретением гиперпорталов перехода,когда генеральный прокурор будет без звонка и самолётов иметь возможность войти в каждый кабинет ( не квартиру!),поскольку кабинет этот имущество народное и подлежит досмотру регулярному. Но на вот этой сшитой по большей части лишь народным терпением ,по чьему-то мнению должно процветать правило "Родину люби-государство ненавидь". Самое интересное,что если задать этому кому-то вопрос "А как чтоб и то и то" полёт фантазии будет запредельный без учёта математики и например обмена веществ человеческого организма. Подобные строители моделей не утруждают себя детализацией процесса. Экономика она вообще как наука лукава,как психология или как философия. А в макромасштабах глобализации так и вовсе не учитывает фактор Ивана Ивановича или Марьи Михайловны поотдельности. И подпитывается эта "фрондирующая" площадка рядовыми вроде бы событиями,но обязательно с криками "государство виновато,граааабит!" Ну вот мне ,не сильному в гипернауках,но понящему математику за шестой класс интересно другое. Км по трассе гружёной 20 тоннами фуры на междугородней перевозке при 36р.за литр стоил 24 р. Т.е 2400 за 100км. На эти 100 км тратились 40 литров (зимой) ценой в 1440 рублей,т.е. где-то 15 р. из 24х. Сейчас 18р.при 45р.за литр. и километр уже обходится в 36. Как?!! Государство распорядилось вместо трёх рублей 12 прибавить? Нет...У нас ведь экономика по сути ( ну как нам хочется думать) предпринимательская. И цель в ней больше заработать,меньше потратить... Эта математическая задачка конечно то же лукавство,но из таких вот задачек и состоит большая часть наших проблем, а никак не от трудовой бессоной работы "кровопиц" из Кремля и правительства. А вот ещё вопрос ...Пенсии. "Грабют, дожить не дают!" Помните по 5000 р "накидывали всем пенсионерам? для этого 230 млрд разово понадобилось. А тут предполагают по 550 млрд. накидывать ежегодно( вот бы язык у них не обгонял реальность,и весь срок повышения пенсионного возраста вся эта прибавочка держалась!) Я не знаю и двух из тысячи занакомых пенсионеров,которые понесут их в банк,помятуя,что с собой честно заработанное на тот свет не прихватишь. So what? В экономику по полтрилиона в год пойдёт. Дайте угадаю ответ. "Всё сожрёт инфляция". А ну да ...Забыл совсем. У нас же государство цены назначает ...или нет? (см.задачку...и все подобные задачки). Дак правильно же! Нафиг больше производить? Надо дороже продать!

    Аааа! Государство какое страшное и жуткое! Да ещё и в Сирии воюет!
    Надоело. На-до-е-ло.
    1. +1
      21 June 2018 14: 34
      "Нафиг больше производить? Надо дороже продать! Но этот пунктик по-моему лично Медведев с экрана всем резидентам нашей капиталистической экономики приказал.."
      Но ведь в этом вся и проблема, что задача правительства потребвать от предпринимателей наваритьAnd not produce. А это ведёт любую нацию к тупику.
  60. +2
    21 June 2018 14: 25
    Кстати что это я порассуждал и ничего не предложил? Давайте экономический социализм построим. Все на работу в государство наймёмся и будем его лаять со всем основанием...Как такой вариант? Жириновский,кстати начал "построение" ...Это я насчёт передачи всей стройки крупной и ЖКХ в госуправление...Революции не предвидется,так что можно со свободами разными не расставаться. Ну и собственно одно плохо-статья за тунеядство снова появится...
    1. 0
      21 June 2018 14: 43
      Только землю крестьянам! Заводы рабочим не отдашь, их и так мало.
      Но один товарищ Емельянов, в Советское время нарисовал плакат, там была фраза: "Десионизация всей страны + производительность труда = Успех". feel
      1. +1
        21 June 2018 14: 45
        что такое завод рабочим?в середине 80-х стали рабочие на некоторых заводах стали выбирать себе директора,а не назначали сверху...ни к чему хорошему это не привело...
        1. 0
          21 June 2018 15: 26
          Да есть классные методы социалистического управления. Да и мы нынче "пожили" и не отупели надеюсь. Поделим уж как-нибудь с государством и власть,и денежки. А ведь никто и не собирается частное предпринимательство отменять. Выходишь из гос.юрисдикции и вперёд...Ну правда коммуналка,пенсионка...короче весь нынешний набор на здоровье. А насчёт "землю- крестьянам,заводы- рабочим,ацедофильное молоко-ацедофилам". А где там наши профсоюзы? А ну добро пожаловать как выборный орган представительской власти рабочего коллектива...А насчёт полномочий проф.-см.полномочия думы,прям один в один, вплоть до приостановления актов руководства не касающихся производства. Кстати опыт такой был...Как раз в грёбаных 80ых.
        2. +2
          21 June 2018 22: 42
          Не пробовал назначить кухарку Главой государства? Результат мы видим с "Айфоном" и его подельниками. Сам "пахан" далек от экономики, но свои % от бюджета имеет благодаря олигархам при "кормушке" для вывода средств.
  61. +4
    21 June 2018 14: 51
    Ну хоть один наконец высказал то, о чём я кричу уже давным давно. Да, именно так - там наверху единая команда по уничтожению России и русского мира. То что не удалось сделать Адольфу Гитлеру с гораздо большим успехом делает наш солнцеликий и незаменимый. Самое потрясающее - народ ещё и голосует за своё уничтожение. Ура!
  62. +6
    21 June 2018 14: 54
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: solzh
    This is one team.

    Нет!
    Medvedev is a representative of bourgeois, pro-Western clans. Putin is the representative of pro-Russian clans. They have completely opposite intentions about Russia. The Medvedevskys dream of selling Russia at a higher price, the Putin’s dream of making Russia independent. There can be no talk about any one team!

    О как! Да-а-а, сказали рабочие, и ...взялись за булыжники! wassat A joke of humor. love А если серьёзно, то Гарант и Медведев - дружбаны ещё по совместной работе в ЛГУ. Основа дружбы - государственная тайна. wassat Для отдельных военных пенсионеров образца 1998 года справка: ЛГУ - это Ленинградский государственный университет. Так что, уважаемый зря Вы противопоставляете друг-другу этих достойных "мужей" wassat lol hi
  63. 0
    21 June 2018 15: 02
    Quote: Radikal
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: solzh
    This is one team.

    Нет!
    Medvedev is a representative of bourgeois, pro-Western clans. Putin is the representative of pro-Russian clans. They have completely opposite intentions about Russia. The Medvedevskys dream of selling Russia at a higher price, the Putin’s dream of making Russia independent. There can be no talk about any one team!

    О как! Да-а-а, сказали рабочие, и ...взялись за булыжники! wassat A joke of humor. love А если серьёзно, то Гарант и Медведев - дружбаны ещё по совместной работе в ЛГУ. Основа дружбы - государственная тайна. wassat Для отдельных военных пенсионеров образца 1998 года справка: ЛГУ - это Ленинградский государственный университет. Так что, уважаемый зря Вы противопоставляете друг-другу этих достойных "мужей" wassat lol hi

    Уважаемый,Вы точно не ошибаетесь?Путин в ЛГУ не работал,пересеклись они уже работая в Питерской Администрации при Собчаке
  64. +2
    21 June 2018 15: 03
    Why do so many people scream about the fact that Navalny is being kept by the States, and so few ask themselves the question, why, despite such a number of conditional terms (find another one in Russia), it’s not just being imprisoned, so also the border is regularly released.
  65. +2
    21 June 2018 15: 03
    Quote: Serge2068
    Ну хоть один наконец высказал то, о чём я кричу уже давным давно. Да, именно так - там наверху единая команда по уничтожению России и русского мира. То что не удалось сделать Адольфу Гитлеру с гораздо большим успехом делает наш солнцеликий и незаменимый. Самое потрясающее - народ ещё и голосует за своё уничтожение. Ура!

    А пробовали не кричать,а работать?
  66. +5
    21 June 2018 15: 06
    Путин, после развода с женой, как то сказал (привожу по памяти), что "женат на России". Оказывается многие женаты, но изменяют с другими...
  67. +3
    21 June 2018 15: 07
    Quote: bragjun
    Why do so many people scream about the fact that Navalny is being kept by the States, and so few ask themselves the question, why, despite such a number of conditional terms (find another one in Russia), it’s not just being imprisoned, so also the border is regularly released.

    Навальный не ,понимает где нельзя переступать черту чтобы сесть на реальный срок,наверху тоже не дураки,понимают,что лишней вони по поводу реального срока Навальному в настоящее время не нужно.Он работает клапаном,а как выпустят через него пар,тогда и могут и приземлить,Россия-щедрая душа,был бы человек,а за что всегда найдется.
    а по поводу содержания,человек реально нигде фактически и физически не работает,но на какие то деньги живет и шастает по заграницам...вопрос,на какие такие барыши?
  68. +5
    21 June 2018 15: 08
    Роман! Вы сейчас притащили сюда две табуретки и пытаетесь меня усадить между ними. Откуда такая примирительная позиция проявилась? С Путиным плох, без Путина плохо, а то, что с этой властью, где на вершине гарант, мы катимся в пропасть - это фантазии мои? Нет, с головой у меня все в порядке, а вот в стране одно плохое для народа.
    И нам надо искать пути выхода из этой ситуации, а не заниматься самокопанием.
    Как выбрали Путина, так выберем и настоящего гаранта сохранения страны и народа. И без фокусов ЦИК.
    1. +3
      21 June 2018 15: 19
      А что же так плохо для народа, сердобольный Вы наш? Такие умники как Вы в пору 90-х уже довели народ до точки. Люди наконец-то жить стали, уверенность в завтрашнем дне появилась. Так нет, опять некие "умники" недовольны. Мы выбрали настоящего гаранта и он нас устраивает, а кого не устраивает, то Вам надо либо подчиняться большинству и законодательству, либо на Украину. Там всех принимают, кто грязь на свою страну льёт.
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        21 June 2018 17: 01
        "уверенность в завтрашнем дне" у меня была в другой стране! Я был уверен в том, что у меня будет работа, жилье, больничная койка и пенсия на старости лет. И я с этой пенсии буду детям-внукам помогать!
        А сегодня я уверен в том, что если что-либо случиться с моей работой, то в свои 50+ меня даже в дворники\вахтеры не возьмут. Бо не азиат...
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      21 June 2018 15: 22
      Вопрос не в том, что повышать или не повышать пенсионный возраст, ссылаясь на нашу демографию. Гарант уже 18 лет, как гарант, дети у многих подросли. Легко бы решил вопросы с Рождаемостью. А он не может даже обеспечить земельные участки для многодетных. И экспертом не надо быть, что-бы понять, куда делись средства из Пенсионного фонда, и Фондов частных ПФ. Просто все вопросы с ПФ решаются путём референдумов. Это Аксиома. Если конечно элита не решила "грабить" народ и после 2030-го года, им то пенсия не нужна, они будут жизнь вечно. Тогда зачем все эти Игры в демократию? А тезис "Денег нет, но вы потерпите" - полный бред!
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    21 June 2018 15: 12
    Quote: Cossack 471
    VADIM Do not try to reduce everything to the passages of Jack Golovan and Turbris - “start with yourself” What efforts a person can make. living in the outback? Look at the map of our country. and then try to take the land. well. for example, for rent. Let's see how you get it. Resettlers from South America. Old Believers. moved to Siberia. they were given land for rent. 49 years old Do officials have a mind? These courageous people. moved from the warm edges. those who restored the abandoned village should have been completely exempted from taxes. to hold the light for them. and it’s gracious to them --- rent. To at least understand something. drive through