Peskov commented on the collection of signatures against pension reform

A spokesman for the head of state, Dmitry Peskov, commented on the collection of signatures for petitions against raising the retirement age. Answering the question of journalists, he said that at this stage Vladimir Putin is not participating in the discussion of this issue in any way.

Peskov said that at this stage, the issue of raising the retirement age in Russia is handled by experts from the government, the cabinet of ministers and vice-premiers, as well as after submitting the bill to the Duma, and relevant committees of the lower house of parliament. The President does not take part in the discussion of this issue and it is premature to appeal to him, including in connection with the appeals of reform opponents who have appeared. The press secretary also noted that at present there is no law on raising the retirement age, there is only a bill that is just preparing for discussion and has not yet taken final form, so the president cannot impose a veto on him, as demanded by his opponents of reform in their petitions. The president has the right to impose a veto only on an already adopted law.

Peskov confirmed that the presidential administration and Putin personally received information on the progress of work on reforming the pension system, but said that it was still early to talk about the president’s attitude to reform, since the law itself does not exist and it’s not known what form it will take in the final version.

Earlier it was reported that the bill on pension reform, sent to the State Duma for consideration, will be previously sent to the regions for study on the ground.

At the moment petition More than a million and a half people signed a ban on pension reform.

Comments

[parusnik]

The president has the right to veto only an already adopted law.

... Apparently it will be so. The world is a theater, and the people in it are actors ... A cool performance.

[Zefr]

"The bill went through all stages of preparation and was adopted, after a thorough discussion and consultation with all interested parties, on the basis of current legislation. All legal standards are respected. The president will not deal with this issue."
Your Peskov (in a couple of months)

[Logall]

appeal to him, including in connection with the petitions of opponents of the reform that appeared, prematurely

then it will be too late!
Peskov arranged everything in such a way that the president was out of business at all ... Something was happening in the country, but he only knew when it was the turn of his signature ...
There is still an opinion that this performance was made so that Putin, as a good “Tsar”, would save the other from hellish reform. And the grateful, rescued citizens of the Russian Federation appointed him king for life!

[RaptorF22]

It's already too late

[Snail N9]

It was too late when they shoved these deadlines for civil servants. Smart people, they immediately said, how they will do "65-63" for civil servants, so wait, soon the same for the rest ...

[Shurik70]

The media leaked information to watch the reaction of the population.
If they are not particularly indignant, the law will be pushed through.
And if it’s strong, they’ll say: “Citizens, why are you worried, this was only a project that would never, never have passed”

[Black_Vatnik]

There were thoughts, for which it was done: to aggravate the situation, so that later the GDP on a white horse jumps and cancels the bill. Great Pu defeated evil, pensioners saved, everyone is happy.
It will be good if I'm not mistaken)

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Black_Jacket

It will be good if I'm not mistaken)

Thoughts are about the same. GDP is still good - if the people do not go on a strong strike, they will push the law, and not push it - will pose as a knight on a white ... ehhkm ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Shurik70

If they are not particularly indignant, the law will be pushed through.

The rise will be on any, but not so much. Again, the "good king" intervenes, and limit the increase to 63-60. And everyone will be happy, forget about VAT. Finita La Comedy. But only a few will know that initially the increase was planned in the framework of 63-60, and 65-63 was a provocation. For the reception is not new.

[RUSS]

Quote: Shurik70

The media leaked information to watch the reaction of the population.
If they are not particularly indignant, the law will be pushed through.
And if it’s strong, they’ll say: “Citizens, why are you worried, this was only a project that would never, never have passed”

Yesterday already on TV Propaganda, Kiselev was crucifying himself telling how it was right, that they would raise their retirement age, and they say we would receive more pension.

[Strategia]

Nothing new in the sublunary world ... https://nstarikov.ru/blog/36349

[Leshy1975]

Why are you all so strictly attacked Peskov. The whole country knows that he often carries a blizzard. That's why he is “parsley” (a puppet character). The authorities do not react at all, they say they have not heard about the petition, it seems like not good. So they produce "parsley", and with what demand.

[AUL]

Quote: Logall

There is still an opinion that this performance was made so that Putin, as a good “Tsar”, would save the other from hellish reform.

Weak hope for such an outcome. Maximum - will reset a year for women.
"I'm not in business, it's all Medvedev!"

[SRC P-15]

And I think this is preparation for the introduction of a progressive taxation scale. Pension reform is just an excuse to introduce it.

[AUL]

[

And I think this is preparation for the introduction of a progressive taxation scale. Pension reform is just an excuse to introduce it.

Where is the logic? And without raising the whole country and spitting in the face of the people, this could not be done?

[SRC P-15]

Quote from AUL

Where is the logic? And without raising the whole country and spitting in the face of the people, this could not be done?

What happened? The document was tabled for discussion. People would spit in the face in the event that this law were adopted immediately without discussion. And so everything is legal. Now let's see if our elect in the Duma have a conscience, or something has grown up there.

[123456789]

Quote from AUL

[

And I think this is preparation for the introduction of a progressive taxation scale. Pension reform is just an excuse to introduce it.

Where is the logic? And without raising the whole country and spitting in the face of the people, this could not be done?

Everything is not simple, but very simple:
"Dear Russians" raise their retirement age to pay pensions to Israeli pensioners

[Svetlana]

Quote: SRC P-15

And I think this is preparation for the introduction of a progressive taxation scale. Pension reform is just an excuse to introduce it.

They already said that there will be no progressive scale and do not expect! And there is no connection here.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Svetlana

They already said that there will be no progressive scale and do not expect! And there is no connection here.

And Putin said that there would be no increase in the retirement age under his presidency! Why do you believe in one thing, but not in the other? Yes, and the relationship is straightforward: our president sends a sign to the rich - he must share, otherwise the irreparable can happen - soon the people will have nothing to pay a pension or there will be no pensions at all if the law of the government is adopted. People simply will not live up to it, and from here to the popular uprising not far. Then it’s not enough for everyone. That's the kind of connection I think. Well, what the president really thinks is known only to him.
But the law in the form in which it was submitted by the government will not be adopted, if it is thrown, then two or three years, no more.

[-Pollux]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

And Putin said that there would be no increase in the retirement age under his presidency!

Given that this is his last term, they will retire later after his reign.

[Giants]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

But the law in the form in which it was submitted by the government will not be adopted, if it is thrown, then two or three years, no more.

I, perhaps, will remind you of your same koment, seer You are ours:
SRC P-15 (Alexander) April 15, 2018 15:06 ↑
Quote: bulvas
Quote: Genry
It is necessary to amend the Constitution. It is necessary to remove the bookmarks restricting the political and economic sovereignty of Russia.
I think so
And so it will be! After the inauguration, having appointed a new government, Putin will be sure to deal with this issue. He has no other choice!

[tank64rus]

As there is no connection, progressive tax and pension reform should be introduced simultaneously. One for the rich is another for the poor. and so power rummages only in holey pockets. In her, she will not fumble.

[Karabin]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

And I think this is preparation

Again the Tricky Plan !? Serdyukovshchina - a way to reform the army, the ghetto in the Donbass - the struggle "for the whole of Ukraine." Now raise the retirement age to introduce progression? And not through the ass, isn’t it?

[Netovv]

is it progressive when 30% of the income tax is paid to ordinary people, and with an income of at least 500000 rubles, a 10% tax is unlikely to work out differently?

[demokrat86]

And did not notice a VAT increase

[Alf]

Quote: Logall

Peskov arranged everything so that the president was out of business at all ..

In Russia, the president is not at all involved, so he went to drink beer.

[Senior]

Look, now on all TV channels they show pink-cheeked 80,90-year-old pensioners who still need to add work to them ..
Temniki on TV are let down strictly from AP ..
Findings?!

[Gradus HuK]

They say the king is not real!

[123456789]

Quote: GradusHuK

They say the king is not real!

The king, once again, was framed

[Smol79]

Peskov, a Medvedev intelligence officer, says what Medvedev and the golikovy and other American comrades need

[MPN]

So it was planned ... A hero will swallow, well, a president will not swallow ... We have no collective responsibility ...

[parusnik]

After the election, I really want to say: “Guys, finish these snot! The second series is waiting for you!” (Hf “Man from Kapucin Boulevard”)

[MPN]

Quote: parusnik

After the election, I really want to say: “Guys, finish these snot! The second series is waiting for you!” (Hf “Man from Kapucin Boulevard”)

I'm already afraid of the series ...

[parusnik]

Of course, the first election, the second law on pensions, how much more time this government will be in power, of course the series ... We’ll see enough ..

[Phil77]

Quote: parusnik

Of course, the first election, the second law on pensions, how much more time this government will be in power, of course the series ... We’ll see enough ..

Rather, we are the main characters of this series! And the directors are in the Kremlin!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Phil77

And the directors are in the Kremlin!

I'm afraid only performers in the Kremlin ....

[RUSS]

Quote: parusnik

how much longer will this government be in power

Not the government, but the government as a whole: a pocket parliament, a manual prime minister, and He himself.

[Leshy1975]

Yes, it doesn’t matter if only with the collective. The higher ones simply DO NOT have it.

Quote: MPN

So it was planned ... A hero will swallow, well, a president will not swallow ... We have no collective responsibility ...

[Smol79]

Well, of course, the GDP said that it was against increasing the age, and just by the training manual the government dumped this bill at the Olympics. The government with Medvedev is not at one with the GDP, but against it, like the state dep.

[RaptorF22]

Why are you sure that will be so?

[parusnik]

There is one fortune teller on beans, fortunetelling ...

[To be or not to be]

Article 7
1. The Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions that ensure a decent life and free development of a person.
2. Labor and health of the people are protected in the Russian Federation, a guaranteed minimum wage is established, state support for the family, motherhood, fatherhood and childhood, the disabled and senior citizens is provided, a system of social services is being developed, state pensions, benefits and other guarantees of social protection are established.
Constitution of the Russian Federation

[RaptorF22]

Believe in the Constitution?

[To be or not to be]

RaptorF22 Today, 14:50 PM ↑ New
Believe in the Constitution? "
The Constitution is not the Bible. In order to believe in it .. As long as it exists and is such, it is necessary to fulfill it and live on it ..
We look at the site of the President of the Russian Federation
http://kremlin.ru/structure/president/authority/h
uman-rights
The President of the Russian Federation is the guarantor of the rights and freedoms of man and citizen
Constitution of Russia ...
... Protecting the rights and freedoms of man and citizen, the President relies on the whole system of public authorities. The functions of the guarantor of human and civil rights and freedoms require the President to constantly care about the effectiveness of the executive, legislative and judicial powers, of course, without intrusion into their sphere of competence ...
... The President is obliged to ensure that the Constitution and normative acts of the constituent entities of the Federation are fully consistent with the Constitution of the country, federal legislation, the tasks of ensuring and protecting the rights and freedoms of man and citizen. Otherwise, the President has the right to demand the observance of human and civil rights and freedoms from any federal authority or authority of the subject of the federation, and if they are violated, demand the restoration of violated rights in full. At the same time, the President can take the most decisive measures, including coercive ones.
...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: To be or not to be

As long as She is and is like that, we must fulfill it and live on it ..

Blessed is he who believes! It is violated at every step, despite its wretchedness! Written in the 90s, under the advice of the State Department.

[mac789]

The constitution is for the gentiles. And for them (the government) - the Torah.

[StVahmistr]

Article 7 and so on ..

Some kind of nonsense ... Non-compliance with the constitution is considered a crime or not?

[Shahno]

A social state, in the sense of? Where is this concept revealed? If not, then alas .....

[The Siberian barber]

Quote: parusnik

[b

] The President has the right to veto only an already adopted law.

[/bapter... Apparently it will be so. The world is a theater, and the people in it are actors ... A cool performance.

"talking head" crashes!
"I do not believe" (Stanislavsky)

[Vanek]

Quote: The Siberian Barber

"talking head" crashes!

Why did I remember ...

[kakvastam]

- And what is a “ride”, and even at a cost of 10000?
- Not a ride ...

[Vanek]

Guys! Look at it or not - the last. Sorry, extreme.

The last word is all the same for Him.

Hello to everyone

[Gibon]

The ruse of power has worked and is still working to this day, people are making noise and worrying about pension reform. Already there are reports that they are signing petitions demanding to cancel this very reform. Everything is going according to plan, it was precisely this effect that the authorities sought. I explain why: It is not strange, but the government chose the worst reform option out of the three available, for men for 5 years old for women for 8 ... and there were options 5 and 3, and another 5 and 0. It was not without reason that the most scandalous option was chosen than the more people are outraged by the pension reform, the quieter and softer the main event will be the increase in VAT tax. What will increase the power VAT? ... 600 billion rubles a year. about 400 rubles a month, from each resident of our country including children, pensioners and the unemployed. It turns out that pensioners themselves will spend more and thereby replenish the country's budget. Well, what will increase the retirement age? Yes, absolutely nothing, there are absolutely no jobs, health by the age of 65 will simply not allow you to work, and inflation will gobble up the penny increases in pensions. So it turns out that it is not advisable to change anything in the pension sector, but it will cause a great resonance and distract from the main theft of power. The time is grandiose, the 2018 World Cup ... all kinds of rallies and protests are forbidden, you can be imprisoned at the time of entering a rally (a security risk), people are fanatically passionate about football. The older generation is shocked by the prospect of passing away right at the workplace. Cleverly, well, no fools are sitting there. I can clearly see how, after the championship, when people start rocking the boat, a knight in shining armor comes out and says .... no! ... I won’t give people a grudge, there’s no increase in retirement age (while I’m president) ... and under the deafening Hurray! .... the masses will again begin to praise Putin ... the breadwinner’s father and intercessor. But the tax will remain at 2% more. People will pay and the budget will be replenished and we will help our oligarchs in this way. So calm down dear retirement candidates ... there will not be any changes, as we were beggars so they will remain.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Gibon

Power trick worked

Few people understand this. In fact, the receiver is old, and has been used in the West more than once.

[RUSS]

Quote: Gibon

The ruse of power has worked and is still working to this day, people are making noise and worrying about pension reform. Already there are reports that they are signing petitions demanding to cancel this very reform. Everything is going according to plan, it was precisely this effect that the authorities sought. I explain why: It is not strange, but the government chose the worst reform option out of the three available, for men for 5 years old for women for 8 ... and there were options 5 and 3, and another 5 and 0. It was not without reason that the most scandalous option was chosen than the more people are outraged by the pension reform, the quieter and softer the main event will be the increase in VAT tax. What will increase the power VAT? ... 600 billion rubles a year. about 400 rubles a month, from each resident of our country including children, pensioners and the unemployed. It turns out that pensioners themselves will spend more and thereby replenish the country's budget. Well, what will increase the retirement age? Yes, absolutely nothing, there are absolutely no jobs, health by the age of 65 will simply not allow you to work, and inflation will gobble up the penny increases in pensions. So it turns out that it is not advisable to change anything in the pension sector, but it will cause a great resonance and distract from the main theft of power. The time is grandiose, the 2018 World Cup ... all kinds of rallies and protests are forbidden, you can be imprisoned at the time of entering a rally (a security risk), people are fanatically passionate about football. The older generation is shocked by the prospect of passing away right at the workplace. Cleverly, well, no fools are sitting there. I can clearly see how, after the championship, when people start rocking the boat, a knight in shining armor comes out and says .... no! ... I won’t give people a grudge, there’s no increase in retirement age (while I’m president) ... and under the deafening Hurray! .... the masses will again begin to praise Putin ... the breadwinner’s father and intercessor. But the tax will remain at 2% more. People will pay and the budget will be replenished and we will help our oligarchs in this way. So calm down dear retirement candidates ... there will not be any changes, as we were beggars so they will remain.

[StVahmistr]

So calm down, dear retirement candidates ... there will not be any changes, as we were beggars so they will remain.

Very easy ...

[ED_HUNTER]

Somewhere I read it today. In some page VK local spill. Save the pastes? Who is who? https://vk.com/wall-49248213_8349121

[dmitry_den]

1. A vote of no confidence in the entire Medvedev government
2. All-Russian referendum on raising the retirement age
3. Extraordinary parliamentary elections
4. Criminal prosecution of all who participated in lobbying for laws to raise the retirement age, monetize benefits, 20% VAT and other anti-people decisions

[Karabin]

1. A vote of no confidence in the government ..
2. All-Russian referendum ..
3. Extraordinary parliamentary ..
4. Attraction to criminal ..

5. What to do with Putin?

[dmitry_den]

limit constitutionally as the Queen of Great Britain. to hand him a scepter and a power to dress up in royal hoodies and let him serve the people as a permanent Santa Claus on December 31

[Svetlana]

Quote: Karabin

1. A vote of no confidence in the government ..
2. All-Russian referendum ..
3. Extraordinary parliamentary ..
4. Attraction to criminal ..

5. What to do with Putin?

On the bunk.

[Maz]

Already three million and the people fell like scalded. The tsar sees everything, the tsar will help, his father will help, protect the people from bloodsuckers ... yeah, dream, dollar 63 and will surely creep up.

[Shahno]

And if something happened, again to the promised country ... In the footsteps of Urgant and Abramovich? Israel protect ...

[Barmal]

Has Israel Been Independent of Congressional Uncle?

[123456789]

Quote: Shahno

And if something happened, again to the promised country ... In the footsteps of Urgant and Abramovich? Israel protect ...

Ivan nods at Peter. And Peter nods to Ivan. And both together on Abram.
Medvedev found funds for retirees of Israel, but not the Russian Federation
Russians raise their retirement age to pay pensions to Israeli pensioners

[Nehist]

Not that word!!! The law has no retroactive force !!! That is, if the law is adopted, then the veto on it can not be imposed !!! Full scribe! As a result, the law will be adopted! Golikova said that he was already included in the budget for next year !!!

[Halkalak]

For Peskov, organizing the collection of signatures for pension reform, or even its cancellation, is not a problem. I would have organized a referendum in his place, and everyone would have voted in favor. How cute

[123456789]

Quote: Halkalak

For Peskov, organizing the collection of signatures for pension reform, or even its cancellation, is not a problem. I would have organized a referendum in his place, and everyone would have voted in favor. How cute

And then Israeli retirees would have been left without pensions

[Evgeniy667b]

The president will have nothing to do with it, despite his statements that nothing will change under him. An ordinary chatter, in which he pretty much mastered. They will prepare everything, but he will simply sign it. The technology is very well worked out by pushing the "Law on the TOPs. Siberia is tearing, but it’s nothing to do with it .. Who voted for it, just ordinary zombies, no different from some" Sumerians "

[Anatoly83]

what hypocrites are they

[Same lech]

he said that Vladimir Putin at this stage is in no way involved in the discussion of this issue

The talking head is still not blurt out ...

I am sure that the GDP closely monitors the passage of this law and I do not think that it will oppose it ... the composition of the government has been approved by it and all significant events do not pass by it.
Of course, we should expect a tightening of government policy regarding ordinary citizens ... the increase in taxes and various levies is only just beginning.

[dvina71]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

The increase in taxes and various requisitions is just beginning.

The first bell. From the first of July of this year, funds received on the bank card from third parties, without explanation (signature) of origin, will be taxed by a bailiff. To me personally, this is in parallel, I receive several percent of the total transfers of such funds. From July 1, I will take in cash and through hp, and for the self-employed (that is, without working without registration) it is like a sickle at the causal place ..

[Muvka]

Quote: dvina71

Quote: The same LYOKHA

The increase in taxes and various requisitions is just beginning.

The first bell. From the first of July of this year, funds received on the bank card from third parties, without explanation (signature) of origin, will be taxed by a bailiff. To me personally, this is in parallel, I receive several percent of the total transfers of such funds. From July 1, I will take in cash and through hp, and for the self-employed (that is, without working without registration) it is like a sickle at the causal place ..

Can you give a link to this article? There seems to be about 86 said. Share it. And then you yourself find there the amendments of July 1, of which there are actually none there.

[dvina71]

Quote: Muvka

Can you give a link to this article?

I forgive everyone's forgiveness .. I wrote a post on an unverified info .. I saw her with her eyes on the network, I did not check it since I was not concerned .. Well, actually, in the trend of modern actions of our government.

[gukoyan]

"what are they hypocrites"

I would correct it, but I don’t feel like banning for mateyuki.

[RaptorF22]

Hypocrites those who voted for it

[Opera]

This is the rule of law and personal responsibility ... Bravo Vladimir Vladimirovich!)) Let's see what the characters who come here in hysterics will say after a while ?! I love such moments ... As with the withdrawal of funds from American securities - how many screams and ... Silence!

[Svetlana]

Quote: Oper

As with the withdrawal of funds from American securities - how many screams and ... Silence!

What has changed? Withdraw money? In my opinion, they only invested more.

[Opera]

Read carefully the official information including and in VO, Svetlana - officially withdrawn more than half! This is from open data indicating the country of the withdrawing funds. There is closed data on the withdrawal of even greater funds. According to expert estimates, this is Russia and China. On VO, the article was the day before yesterday. I spoke about this even earlier.)

[voyaka uh]

Money was transferred to other currencies: British pound and Swiss franc

[123456789]

Ivan nods at Peter, and Peter nods at Ivan and both together at Abram

[123456789]

Medvedev found funds for retirees of Israel, but not the Russian Federation
About 154 thousand Russian pensioners who have maintained permanent Russian registration receive a pension to their account with Russian banks (the amount of payment to them in 2015 amounted to 22 billion rubles). The remaining 134 thousand pensioners the PFR pays pension directly abroad in the currency of a particular country (the cost of these payments amounted to 14 billion rubles).
The text of the agreement on mutual retirement benefits for citizens of Israel and Russia at the beginning of the 2010s was dealt with by the Ministry of Health and Social Development under the leadership of Tatyana Golikova. The Ministry of Absorption of Israel reported then that since 1972, about 660 thousand people have come from Israel to the former Soviet Union, including 214,5 thousand from Russia.

[sapporo1959]

Well, I hope that they brought it out reliably? And pensioners will not find ..

[Phil77]

Quote: Anatoly83

what hypocrites are they

Hypocrites? No, this is what you said very softly! There are good Russian words addressed to them !!!!

[RUSS]

Quote: Anatoly83

what hypocrites are they

The Americans are again to blame for everything

[123456789]

Quote: RUSS

The Americans are again to blame for everything

In this case, the Israelis are former ... (did not raise a hand to write compatriots). They ruined the country and dumped them in Israel ... And now they also need to pay a pension for this.

[Fitter65]

The king is good, these ministers are so bad. Why would a good king have such bad ministers?

[The Siberian barber]

What do you mean why? To be "not in the know" what it does))

[Fitter65]

So there was already a case with one king, he also did not know what the capitalist ministers were doing, and they once asked him to abdicate. Well, you, I think, in the know.

[The Siberian barber]

There are parallels, I agree!
The question is motivation .. Do not you find?

[Fitter65]

God forbid, if desire arises, then it is promoted. This will not rust.

[The Siberian barber]

The trouble is that God forbid!
And they know this, that the people are wise and understand that this kind of “sexual troubles” lead to complete collapse, and use it. Ferrets ...

[RaptorF22]

It has always been and will be

[Leshy1975]

I agree. Here we also need it. Like girls, you want to look beautiful, make a terrible girlfriend (a joke).

Quote: Fitter65

The king is good, these ministers are so bad. Why would a good king have such bad ministers?

[The Siberian barber]

"White and fluffy," essno does not know that this "law" moves his pocket government, yeah .....!
Farce and hypocrisy, and nothing more ..

[RaptorF22]

What did you actually expect?

[The Siberian barber]

I did not vote for him!
Moreover, I consider him a usurper of power! Although essno he does not think so)))

[RaptorF22]

If he thinks so, then it is.

[The Siberian barber]

ХХto doubt it!

[NordUral]

The gang is one that we all expect good from them. Before the election, he was intrigued, allegedly there will be anti-liberal changes, a change in kurass, Glazyev kept in advisers, Kudryu did not stick out. After the “victory” Glazyev set up, we see everything else ourselves.

[vfqjh]

It is interesting, from what such a fright did the government, without the knowledge of the GDP, develop such a vigorous activity to destroy its own citizens ??? I don’t believe that the president is on the sidelines, because this is his government, not the people!

[RaptorF22]

Looks passed by

[Svetlana]

Like a hackneyed record - what does Putin have to do with it? But for what purpose does he exist in the country? When he and his entourage and the Constitution need to be corrected, and the necessary laws are heating up, he can do everything, especially before the elections, and now something is completely gone.

[RaptorF22]

We chose it ourselves.

[Svetlana]

Quote: RaptorF22

We chose it ourselves.

I did not choose it.

[gukoyan]

I did not vote for Vovka.

[RaptorF22]

So others chose

[sledak]

Quote: Svetlana

Quote: RaptorF22

We chose it ourselves.

I did not choose it.

THIS no one chose. But THEY even chose the championship moment for this reform ... so howling those who die at work are less audible.

[-Pollux]

Quote: sledak

But THEY even chose the championship moment for this reform ... so howling those who die at work are less audible.

To do this, in another ten to fifteen years, another championship should be held in Russia.
Do you even understand what nonsense you wrote?

[Barmal]

In fact, pension 63-65 those who live up to these deadlines at work or in their search will be dissatisfied, will not be heard without mundiales in the Russian Federation.

[sapporo1959]

So what's interesting? They chose to shout, we will make Russia great, and as they asked for a little and work for this purpose, we went right away and wrote petitions ...

[The Siberian barber]

Quote: sapporo1959

So what's interesting? They chose to shout, we will make Russia great, and as they asked for a little and work for this purpose, we went right away and wrote petitions ...

Do you think that the majority of lazy people and Tünnians ?? Or a salary, some guy working as a trucker or a military man, or in a mine, factory, doctor, physical education instructor, does less good than a deputy of the State. Thoughts or bureaucrats, smaller, sitting in an armchair, all day, and having benefits incommensurably large?
Until the age of 65, many would sit and make "decisions"! Who will WORK? AND WHERE?

[sapporo1959]

Well, who and where these questions are not for me. There are also more competent bodies that will work for you as a person who wants to work and will determine you for a particular site .. The country, as they say, is on the rise! The boys write out how the plants around them grow, like happy pensioners on boats in the Altai or the Bahamas, and you complain about our socially-oriented bureaucrats. You write here, there’s nothing to do, and they poor people sit there, they decide .. And all for us for the people! So take heart. I thank God still managed as a veteran of the north .. Just manage to add thousands to retirement. One really worries that they can throw as a living now in prosperous Belarus. Five thousand have already been carried out along the lips that would have been widespread did not roll out ..

[The Siberian barber]

You are lucky that you were born much earlier! If I may say so))
Personally, I "guilty" that I was born later, and "got"!
Although, to be honest, I didn’t have any illusions, for a long time ..
It just so happened that "salvation is the work of hands ...."
The trouble is that they kill, finally, the people's faith, in a better reliable future, for themselves for their children and grandchildren! That's the trouble !!!
These temporary workers, stupidly engaged in bookkeeping, according to their true education / worldview, and this kills the core of the country !!
Though shouting with orom! ...

[sapporo1959]

Don’t worry! The first five years will be hard, and then get involved, and there you look and into United Russia another member application ..

[Opera]

Alexei, and you go to this stoned duck in, as he says prosperous Belarus! Just for a while. Duck Michael will definitely invite you, I have no doubt! You on the spot yourself see what salaries people have in prosperous? What kind of pensions? How is pension reform going? Imagine - it’s coming, not in the pre-process of discussion, as we have! What is the retirement age there? Look at working conditions? Well, come and tell us all! Well, here we are going to discuss and together objectively decide who such an ardent comrade Aleksey is - simply an embittered person, provocateur or person living in alternative reality for Russia for some reason ?! Although maybe it’s just his work so liberal - disruptive? I am convinced that it will be very interesting for you to visit prosperous Belarus! Moreover, this will allow you to see your country from a completely unexpected angle. This is sometimes very useful.

[sapporo1959]

And how do you visit if you don’t have money for the trip. Russian pensioners are only on boats, and we don’t have the sea yet, so calm down. Well, the criminal who hit you with a bag of potatoes at the market, judging by your insult to Belarus, we we’ll definitely find and strictly punish. Although I have a suspicion that it was not a peaceful Belarusian peasant, but a disguised Bandera ...

[The Siberian barber]

Igor, I visit Minsk, occasionally) probably this is the city where I would live in the post-Soviet space)
There are things that, in Russia, are lost, alas)

[-Pollux]

Quote: The Siberian Barber

The trouble is that they kill, finally, the people's faith, in a better reliable future, for themselves for their children and grandchildren! That's the trouble !!!

No need to juggle, pension reform takes the future from pensioners, and who provides pensioners? Children and grandchildren! They take this money from them to give it to pensioners.
And here a fair question is appropriate - how many children do you have? Are there those “children and grandchildren” who need to be taken away to give you?

[The Siberian barber]

Two daughters)) who were born not thanks, but in spite of the social. The policies of our state. Believe me!

[-Pollux]

Quote: The Siberian Barber

Two daughters)) who were born not thanks, but in spite of the social. The policies of our state. Believe me!

Believe me, the social system and the pension system are on the one hand, and the birth rate is on the other, they are in severe confrontation. The better developed social and pension systems - the lower the birth rate.

[Svetlana]

Quote: sapporo1959

The country, as they say, is on the rise! The boys over there write how plants around them grow, like happy pensioners on boats in the Altai, the Bahamas, and you complain

This is where such a country?
..... I’d go there, but where would I get a ticket?
And the ticket price is a penny, but just a penny,
Just do not have it, ask the ticket-taker about this - do not ask.
One passenger told me that he was driving there, but the arrow was broken by someone,
And another spoke about some random taxi.

[sapporo1959]

As where? Here I’m reading on this site itself. Especially before the elections, they just didn’t write, but since I was in exile I thought that you really didn’t see a rise. Was it in vain that Medvedev-Putin, Putin-Medvedev supported the course ..? You stop that agitation. Once said that the rise, then the rise!

[Svetlana]

Quote: sapporo1959

Once said that the rise, then rise!

The doctor said to the morgue, then to the morgue. Yes, this site is as ordinary as everyone. People have different comments.

[sapporo1959]

Well, that’s the doctor, and then they’re talking about it on TV. Well, how can he not believe that the bins of the Motherland are full and large and the happy servants with caps are up ..

[Barmal]

A servitor is a dvorn, a relative of a nobleman / landowner of the lowest rank, on the service staff of an "older" relative and his family. But the slaves - these are completely distant and almost alien people for the landowner. They have only one thing in common - the earth. One plows on it, the other owns it with all the ensuing conditions.

[-Pollux]

Quote: The Siberian Barber

Do you think that the majority of lazy people and tunaiyadtsy ??

Nevertheless, parasites and lazy people have a significant amount comparable to the number of employees, and maybe more.

[The Siberian barber]

They are in any society!
Answer the question: why the patching of "holes" in the budget occurs at the expense of the bulk of the population, but the costs of state. Are the cars growing? Why are "reforms" only fiscal? Is it fair, in your opinion?
Where is the Guarantor promised justice? Or is it different ??
I'm not talking to myself .. I, just, everything is not so bad)))

[-Pollux]

Quote: The Siberian Barber

Answer the question: why the patching of "holes" in the budget occurs at the expense of the bulk of the population, but the costs of state. Are the cars growing?

You have misconceptions and taxes. "The bulk" pays its 13% and does not blow into the mustache. The lion's share of taxes is paid by enterprises (legal entities) and, as a result, the state takes care of the main taxpayers - jur. faces. So that the state takes care of the "people" - the people should be the main payer to the budget. Nothing personal - just such is the nature of things.

[Svetlana]

Quote: Pollux

Quote: The Siberian Barber

Answer the question: why the patching of "holes" in the budget occurs at the expense of the bulk of the population, but the costs of state. Are the cars growing?

You have misconceptions and taxes. "The bulk" pays its 13% and does not blow into the mustache. The lion's share of taxes is paid by enterprises (legal entities) and, as a result, the state takes care of the main taxpayers - jur. faces. So that the state takes care of the "people" - the people should be the main payer to the budget. Nothing personal - just such is the nature of things.

This is your misconception about taxes. Firstly, for individuals there is still a property tax, transport tax and land. Secondly, in addition to taxes, there are a huge number of state duties that we pay for any sneeze, compulsory insurance, fines. And thirdly, legal entities do not consist of the same individuals who, in addition to all of the above, also pay their own taxes for legal entities? Now tell us what the state’s concern is? In how to organize peeling of people, how sticky, while it is still free? So soon the services of tax authorities will also become paid, have not you heard?

[NordUral]

You, but not me! I voted for Grudinin!

[RUSS]

Quote: RaptorF22

We chose it ourselves.

They spent the election time very competently, escalated the situation, consolidated the people around the GDP, pseudo-patriotism poured from all the irons, talk shows (Soloviev, etc.) washed their brains and as a result we have what we have.

[Snail N9]

But for what purpose does he exist in the country?

"Smoke the Constitution" -the president is just a guarantor of its observance, the issues of governance and regulation in the state-to the prime minister and the "cabinet" -legislative drafting- "cabinet" + thought ....

[NordUral]

"Smoke the Constitution," the president is just a guarantor of its observance,

But the GUARANTEE, however! Or am I misunderstanding something?

[Snail N9]

Guarantor that any innovations of the prime minister and the Cabinet do not differ from the provisions of the Constitution and pass the established procedure of "legalization" and more. “Raising the retirement age” if an “examination” passes, it will be agreed in all the committees and a hearing in the Duma will become absolutely legal and there will be no reason for the president to intervene in this matter. Dear Zephre, rightly said here, in a couple of months the following phrase will appear: "" The bill passed all stages of preparation and was adopted, after extensive discussion and consultation with all interested parties, based on current legislation. All legal provisions are complied with. The president will not deal with this issue "...

[Stirbjorn]

In short, the authorities sent, through the mouth of Peskov, to where their population was far away, with his petition. Looks very tight with finances

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Stirbjorn

In short, the authority sent, through the mouth of Peskov, to a hell of its population, with its petition

I don’t agree here, because if you hold a referendum, then the majority will really be in favor! all pensioners will vote for it, all youth will vote for it, all state employees will vote for it! .. only those who are 37-54 will be against, the rest will benefit from a bigger pension!

[NordUral]

Naive opinion. After all, Dimon already said - for 1000 rubles a YEAR (he won’t even cover the real inflation, but he didn’t even peep about indexation, somehow).

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: NordUral

1000 rubles per year

you are mistaken for 1000r / month !! ... we must carefully read our bills !!

[RaptorF22]

And when it was different

[Per se.]

Quote: Stirbjorn

In short, the authority sent, through the mouth of Peskov, to a hell of its population, with its petition

[NordUral]

So to produce nothing, to buy everything abroad - what money will be in the country? I'm not talking about a vicious financial system, etc.

[faridg7]

Quote: Stirbjorn

Looks very tight with finances

It’s not difficult for them with finances (although they can’t get enough of finances in any way), it’s hard for them with conscience; where they had it, it grew ...

[Heterocapsa]

The people act on the lead because the petition still needs to have time to gain votes and because .... he wants to live and not exist in another universe like Sands and the rest of the brotherhood.
Because you have already hesitated the whole country, now it will be directly to the authorities to write petitions. For hesitated already.

[RaptorF22]

Is there really going to be a petition with him? Tsar father good officials interfere with him

[NordUral]

No, the petition is to disperse the protest. It is necessary to demand the holding of a referendum and the execution of decisions on its results.

[faridg7]

Quote: NordUral

No, the petition is to disperse the protest. It is necessary to demand the holding of a referendum and the execution of decisions on its results.

I remember they held a referendum on the preservation of the USSR, something is not visible execution of decisions on its results

[kakvastam]

Naughty people here -

wants to live and not exist in another universe like Sands and the rest of the lads

But Peskov with the lads in their universe live, and nothing, do not live in poverty.

[NordUral]

Contact a guarantor? After these elections and appointments after them, this is simply the height of naivety.

[sledak]

The most interesting thing about all this is that when the required number of votes is in the petition, his talking head will declare that the Internet resource, where all the buttons they deceived, pressed FOR, is not official, those who expressed their opinion are not possible to identify (there are no excuses in bulk) , and, accordingly, this is not taken into account by all, that is (a three-letter word) to you citizens by all your proletarian persons.

[RaptorF22]

It will be so

[gukoyan]

Again, the blizzard is ... Well, since the president does not decide anything in this country, then the question is, what for do we need such a president?

[The Siberian barber]

Purga, to say the least!))
Peskov, now, needs to show miracles of ingenuity, justifying his monetary allowance and social status. And creativity suffers: the same thing, in the case of unpopular measures: "He, not in the know"
Actually, from the "berries from that field", there is no point in waiting otherwise))) ALL are the same !!!

[gukoyan]

I agree, they threw us again, so to speak, and legitimized the robbery of ordinary people, before they somehow concealed, now open!

[NordUral]

Don’t worry, Igor! He decides everything, but not in our favor, but in favor of his own, whom, as it has finally become clear, he will never give up.

[Iline]

The government in the Russian Federation is the executive branch. And it must fulfill the will of the President. The whole country elected the president. And now the President is allegedly not aware of the movements in the government that is carrying out his will.
Interesting logic.

[Zefr]

Not this way. The basis of the legal system in the country is laws. But Presidential Decrees have only by-law force. They serve for the execution of laws and cannot cancel their effect or contradict them.

[Iline]

The conversation is not about laws, the conversation that the President selects a government for himself. And the President simply cannot know about his fuss on this or that issue. And he must stop all this audience at a certain stage in the development of events.

[Million]

Kremleboty, how do you feel about raising the retirement age?

[NordUral]

And they are on the drum, they are on salary. Yes, and they have special benefits.

[sledak]

They need extra 5 years to get their pants and money, they will turn and continue to receive money

[-Pollux]

Quote: sledak

They need extra 5 years to get their pants and money, they will turn and continue to receive money

What to do with a long experience? For example, with miners, oil workers, railway workers, the same welders - what should they do?

[albert]

Quote: Million

Kremleboty, how do you feel about raising the retirement age?

They won’t answer you. They sit quietly, like a mouse under a broom.

[Nasrat]

All the same, the correct song ...:

[farcop]

Strange, not a word about Kadyrov. Will Quito apologize?

[samarin1969]

The main specialist in the snowstorm is trying to convince us that the issue of pensions is not related to the "basics of domestic politics." ...
This is, at least, disrespect to the people.

[RaptorF22]

And it used to be respect ?

[NordUral]

A simple contempt for the humble cattle. And after all, he is right in something. It is time for the people to wake up from the hassle of three decades and from the population again become citizens of the type of the 40-60s.

[Sasha_Sar]

At this stage, Vladimir Putin is in no way involved in the discussion of this issue.

A good approach, the president is not a citizen of the country, which is "sausage"? Time, resources are wasted, what would then veto?

[filatik]

When we hear from the president’s lips: “Now it’s time to take up internal affairs and put things in order in the country.” But judging by all this, there will be no reason, since it will have to remove 80% of "undernourished" politicians from their posts. This is not beneficial to the president or the deputies. You need to feed somewhere. Corruption is flourishing. When they already begin to think about how to feed and employ the poor. Stop milking people. All laws are aimed solely at replenishing the state treasury without taking into account the opinions of the people .... the poor are poor, the rich are getting rich ... We are waiting for Putin’s answer to the promises made earlier ... I won’t vote for him anymore ... people don’t count people. .. sorry ... boiling up

[sagitch]

You need to feed somewhere. Corruption is flourishing.
Yes, no longer corruption, but cynical, official robbery, with sweet sauce!
And they know, they WILL NOT HAVE ANYTHING for this!

[NordUral]

Corruption was, frail truth, in the USSR. And the last quarter of a century + the years of perestroika is the brazen robbery of the people and the destruction of the country.

[Svetlana]

Quote: NordUral

Corruption was, frail truth, in the USSR. And the last quarter of a century + the years of perestroika is the brazen robbery of the people and the destruction of the country.

This is compared with the current one, it was frail, but actually not, corrupt officials destroyed the country, and now they are finishing off its pieces separately. Unite all the former people of the USSR and regain what was taken from him. Forces would be enough.

[RaptorF22]

I understand you with pleasure But I think those who voted think otherwise Officials interfere with a good King I don’t know how

[Karabin]

Quote: filatik

.will never vote for him anymore.

Late to drink Borzhi, if the liver fell off.

[IPSC-2008]

Well yes the president said the president did

[NordUral]

Are you talking about Trump?

[Altona]

Quote: parusnik

. The world is a theater, and the people in it are actors ... A cool performance.

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The Kremlin is already a circus. With horses.

[Leshy1975]

And I feel sorry for the horses. Horses they are hard workers, if not for horses, it is not known how humanity would have developed. Then it’s better like that (sorry for the amendment). : The Kremlin is already a circus. With the clowns.

Quote: Altona

Quote: parusnik

. The world is a theater, and the people in it are actors ... A cool performance.

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The Kremlin is already a circus. With horses.

[Altona]

Quote: Tiksi-3

I don’t agree here, because if you hold a referendum, then the majority will really be in favor! all pensioners will vote for it, all youth will vote for it, all state employees will vote for it! .. only those who are 37-54 will be against, the rest will benefit from a bigger pension!

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Hmm, why should women? Do you really think that a woman in 63 can work? At the same time, as a young woman, she needs to give birth to someone and at least bring up a little bit, but now we have no nurseries and dairy kitchens.

[kakvastam]

So the fact of the matter is that a woman retiring at the age of fifty-five barely kept up with the time to help her children raise her grandchildren, and now she will be able to help grandchildren in raising grandchildren. If he survives, of course.
The government and the president are cherished for demographics, but to irresponsible individuals, everything is wrong!

[sledak]

They will soon and give birth in 63 will

[Igor Polovodov]

Photos of the press secretary, his facial expressions, best illustrate this farce! Choose adequate photos!

[Ingvar]

hold us (the people) for fools, all this is sad.

[mac789]

If the government really wanted to solve the pension fund deficit ...
Our bosses argue that due to the demographic situation, the number of pensioners will soon be equal to the number of working citizens, and therefore it will become impossible to keep pensioners at the expense of working contributions ... Let's say so. But the quantity of output in our economy is poorly poor, but growing. Mainly due to the use of new high-performance equipment. Roughly speaking, the new CNC machine will produce more products than a couple of three qualified turners on conventional lathes. It turns out like in that movie: "Robots inject, not a man." There is no need to pay contributions to the pension fund for robots. Savings however ...
So it may be generally cancel contributions to the pension fund, social insurance, medical insurance. Instead, increase VAT by five to seven percent and from these collected money contain pensioners and medicine. That is, to collect money not from the earnings of people but from the expenses of end consumers. I think a similar method of collecting money for a pension fund will allow us not to raise the retirement age and provide our old people with a decent pension. Do you doubt it? ... Look how many rich Pinocchio are around with exorbitant expenses and an official salary of 10000 rubles. That is, applying a similar taxation method could significantly reduce the problem of gray salaries.
So here our bosses like stupid ... As they say: either fools or enemies of the people ...

[RaptorF22]

And they are not that and not that Is it important to be faithful to whom? And then everything will be chocolate

[mac789]

Do you doubt the second? In vain.

[RaptorF22]

They are his officials Once they make such decisions, what are they second?

[mac789]

Excuse me, but who divided the Dark One and his ghouls here? They are the most typical Serpent Gorynych.

[Alex66]

It's like in the movie "Independence Day" - the possibility of denial, such as the president is not in the know, but does he want to be in the know about what the country lives or does Merkel care more about? It is strange when he is ready to save storks, leopards, he is ready to create conditions for not poor fans from other countries. But I am not ready to express my position on the robbery of the most unprotected (people from the periphery and with low salaries will suffer) of their country.

[volga7777777777]

The ruse of power has worked and is still working to this day, people are making noise and worrying about pension reform. Already there are reports that they are signing petitions demanding to cancel this very reform. Everything is going according to plan, it was precisely this effect that the authorities sought. I explain why this is so: It is not strange, but the Government chose the worst reform option out of the three available, men 5 years old women 8 ... and there were options 5 and 3, and another 5 and 0. It is not without reason that the most scandalous option was chosen than the more people are outraged by the pension reform, the quieter and softer the main event will take place - an increase in VAT tax. What will increase the power VAT? ... 600 billion rubles a year. about 400 rubles a month, from each resident of our country including children, pensioners and the unemployed. It turns out that pensioners themselves will spend more and thereby replenish the country's budget. Well, what will increase the retirement age? Yes, absolutely nothing, there are no jobs anyway, health by the age of 65 will simply not allow you to work, and inflation will gobble up the penny increases in pensions. So it turns out that it is not advisable to change anything in the pension sphere, but it will cause a great resonance and distract from the main theft of power. The time is grandiose, the 2018 World Cup ... all kinds of rallies and protests are forbidden, you can be imprisoned at the time of entering a rally (a security risk), people are fanatically passionate about football. The older generation is shocked by the prospect of passing away right at the workplace. Cleverly, well, no fools are sitting there. I can clearly see how, after the championship, when people start rocking the boat, a knight in shining armor comes out and says .... no! ... I won’t give people a grudge, there’s no increase in retirement age (while I’m president) ... and under deafening Hurray! .... the masses will again praise Putin ... the breadwinner’s father and intercessor. The tax will remain at 2% more. People will pay and the budget will be replenished and we will help our oligarchs in this way. So calm down, dear retirement candidates ... there will not be any changes, as we were beggars so they will remain.

[RaptorF22]

And if it doesn’t work out? When is he Chief Why play the script? When do you rule everybody in the gallery?

[NordUral]

The list of surprises from these will be endless. To this they are much, it’s not a country to deal with, but stupidly rob people.

[The Siberian barber]

Quote: volga7777777777

The ruse of power has worked and is still working to this day, people are making noise and worrying about pension reform. Already there are reports that they are signing petitions demanding to cancel this very reform. Everything is going according to plan, it was precisely this effect that the authorities sought. I explain why this is so: It is not strange, but the Government chose the worst reform option out of the three available, men 5 years old women 8 ... and there were options 5 and 3, and another 5 and 0. It is not without reason that the most scandalous option was chosen than the more people are outraged by the pension reform, the quieter and softer the main event will take place - an increase in VAT tax. What will increase the power VAT? ... 600 billion rubles a year. about 400 rubles a month, from each resident of our country including children, pensioners and the unemployed. It turns out that pensioners themselves will spend more and thereby replenish the country's budget. Well, what will increase the retirement age? Yes, absolutely nothing, there are no jobs anyway, health by the age of 65 will simply not allow you to work, and inflation will gobble up the penny increases in pensions. So it turns out that it is not advisable to change anything in the pension sphere, but it will cause a great resonance and distract from the main theft of power. The time is grandiose, the 2018 World Cup ... all kinds of rallies and protests are forbidden, you can be imprisoned at the time of entering a rally (a security risk), people are fanatically passionate about football. The older generation is shocked by the prospect of passing away right at the workplace. Cleverly, well, no fools are sitting there. I can clearly see how, after the championship, when people start rocking the boat, a knight in shining armor comes out and says .... no! ... I won’t give people a grudge, there’s no increase in retirement age (while I’m president) ... and under deafening Hurray! .... the masses will again praise Putin ... the breadwinner’s father and intercessor. The tax will remain at 2% more. People will pay and the budget will be replenished and we will help our oligarchs in this way. So calm down, dear retirement candidates ... there will not be any changes, as we were beggars so they will remain.

It will not come out, and will not say, and will not cancel.
KHP- myth, “glorified” infantile

[23424636]

Navalny beats his hands - he did not even dream of lowering the dimon so much as his accountant Siluanov did. . In general, is there any kind of scientific center in the country. Which has calculated what might happen if pension is not available. and piss off the whole country on. this kagal. They built a war, they built a space, mastered space, lived very modestly. But not to pay it was neither under Stalin, nor under Khrushchev, nor with the horny vassals of the west Gorbi and Beni .. I think this is a noise grenade so that the masses understand everything very badly, but it’s not the end yet, and quietly perceived any bzyki shorty.

[NordUral]

They just let us know - you sit quietly.

[Old Horseradish]

Or maybe it's time to put forward a demand for impeachment?

[Zomanus]

So if you don’t express your firm "nafig" now,
they will easily pass the law.
And they are also going to remove the limit on the purchase of goods abroad.
That is, that local hucksters would twist three or four prices on products from China.

[RaptorF22]

Well, it is necessary that the sons raised the loot

[PValery53]

Instead of laws on raising retirement ages, it is necessary to discuss and adopt laws on the termination of unjustified and repeatedly overstated incomes of officials and money bags. And then questions about retirement ages will disappear.

[RaptorF22]

This is vertical power how will officials earn their own money?

[Anatoly83]

he stopped counting on his retirement LLC a long time ago, when my mother began to get a little, he began to prepare to pay for his old age himself, it seems so far according to plan. these swallows from the government bother me differently. sheer deception. while with retirement (this is not in my opinion yet), well, gas is generally like a sunrise, and if you even think about it, it’s already slowly about licenses for any mushroom picking, tax unofficially working (a sore subject, Pasha, and not a stealing person yet), while rumors. But you never know how it will turn out? On the one hand, pension money is not purely our problem and we need to do something. on the other hand, our company often works for all sorts of favorites (regional level), I saw Koyche. they’ll stall everything, pull it away, but what remains will be used inefficiently. There’s a dead end.

[NordUral]

The power of crooks and liars. We need to object now, after accepting this abomination, we will be sent on an erotic journey.

[GRIGORIY76]

Quote: Old Horseradish

Or maybe it's time to put forward a demand for impeachment?

We left for you)

[Fedoslov]

Yes, with modern Homo dementus, any nonsense can be poured into both ears - they will believe in everything. Surrealism. Our president is just a modest guy. Out of modesty, he went to the polls not with a program with a concrete plan of action and numbers, but with a scrap of paper greasy with sweaty fingers. Where it is written that someday it will be good, and if something happens, then we will answer, it’s better not to anger us, because we are for everything to be good, etc.
In short, all the people swallow. That’s the calculation. And a completely reasonable calculation. Tell me, will you be afraid of a herd of homeless people who are poking around in the garbage and muttering something in your back? So the authorities think of us.

[Chaos]

- what a cunning person!
From DMB)))

[Stils]

From every word Peskov simply stinks of hypocrisy

[mr.fafes]

The President does not participate in the discussion of this issue and appeal to it, including in connection with the petitions of opponents of the reform that have appeared, is premature.!?!
And the President of the Russian Federation is WHO at all? GUARANTEE OF THE CONSTITUTION OR SO NOT ATTACHED THE MARINE TAIL?

[Gnefredov]

I have carefully and thoroughly read the text of the petition. I did not put my signature on it.

[mr.fafes]

I read it badly!
Are you sure that you will survive to retirement? Or are you so one foot in the grave, then you do not care?

[Royalist]

Quote: Shurik70

The media leaked information to watch the reaction of the population.
If they are not particularly indignant, the law will be pushed through.
And if it’s strong, they’ll say: “Citizens, why are you worried, this was only a project that would never, never have passed”

At the very point indicated. I noticed a long time ago: if the authorities need it, they quickly stamp everything, but if they feel that a slippery topic is causing information to drain. Purely by chance, DAM walked on the street over the phone and discussed: “let's raise the retirement age,” and the journalist heard ..
The fact that it is necessary to raise the retirement age in different variations has been rumored for a long time. The first time back in the 80s was at the level: “Grandma heard in the bazaar.” The last time such a conversation arose several years ago, but then they said that they would add the experience for a month, and then they say they would add for a year.

[Leshy1975]

"The Minister of Labor and Social Protection Maxim Topilin said that pensions in Russia after the introduction of pension reform could increase by 8-10 percent in five to six years. RIA Novosti reports.
According to the head of the Ministry of Labor, this is a serious increase. “We have never had such growth in real pensions at all,” the official stated.
Most of all, I liked the phrase MAY grow from this news. Those. no, that’s to say, no less than 8-10, but it turns out, they may not grow. (oh, this is our mighty Russian language). It turns out, even if this is not done, i.e. do not grow up, so you will not catch anyone for the tongue.

[uskrabut]

Pensions can increase only if salaries increase and that is not a fact.
In general, it is necessary to give people the opportunity to earn money normally, then the issue of pensions will not be so acute. People could save for old age. And now, not everyone can postpone burial. Here you have the reforms with care combined. Reform is when people feel better, otherwise it is genocide.

[Leshy1975]

Well, that means that in Ukraine it’s zealous — Permogo, and here, in order not to differ much, there will be genocidal reforms. And what is different from what? And some wrote: not brothers, not brothers. No, according to the results, the brothers are hard-working.

Quote: uskrabut

Pensions can increase only if salaries increase and that is not a fact.
In general, it is necessary to give people the opportunity to earn money normally, then the issue of pensions will not be so acute. People could save for old age. And now, not everyone can postpone burial. Here you have the reforms with care combined. Reform is when people feel better, otherwise it is genocide.

[fif21]

Quote: Leshy1975

"Minister of Labor and Social Protection Maxim Topilin said

Does it say the Minister of LABOR and SOCIAL PROTECTION?
Lawyer swaps place with prosecutor Drive this in your louse!

[Dimonk]

Quote: Nasr

All the same, the correct song ...:

In the process, soon the whole country will support her.

[uskrabut]

The President does not participate in the discussion of this issue and appeal to it, including in connection with the petitions of opponents of the reform that have appeared, prematurely
More than strange. Voters gave him their votes just so that he would not allow the appearance of such laws. But, probably, he knows better, since he is not involved in the discussion.

[uskrabut]

The President does not participate in the discussion of this issue and appeal to it, including in connection with the petitions of opponents of the reform that have appeared, prematurely
More than strange. Voters gave him their votes just so that he would not allow the appearance of such laws. But, probably, he knows better, since he is not involved in the discussion.

[maks007]

Quote: mac789

Our bosses argue that due to the demographic situation, the number of pensioners will soon be equal to the number of working citizens, and therefore it will be impossible to keep pensioners at the expense of workers' contributions ...

And it may come more closely to the "pre-term workers" (of course, we are not talking about those who work in hazardous / hazardous work, those with many children, the visually impaired and with military trauma and "some other categories").
And then somehow it’s not so, look, he would still work and he’s going to drink beer and he says that you work, work and I’m already resting and get 15000-20000r.
And we will work up to 68 years before this, and if we do not survive, then the savings will be 14000 * 12 months = 168000r. per year for one not a pensioner we multiply this by 5 years then we will get 840000r. saving.

[sib.ataman]

Oh well! Our Kremlin hut with the edge! I saw nothing, I know nothing! What to breed a booth ltd, it would be better to first create acceptable conditions for employment and normal fair earning of funds for people of retirement age! And then they raised the age! People under normal conditions already plow and will plow not for fear, but for their conscience (well, such lyudyna)!

[fif21]

Quote: sib.ataman

it would be better first to create acceptable conditions for employment and normal fair earning of funds for people of retirement age!

Unemployment in the country 2018 - 4,9%, hidden and even more! And we are being rubbed that there is no one to work !!!

[sib.ataman]

Quote: mr.fafes

I read it badly!
Are you sure that you will survive to retirement? Or are you so one foot in the grave, then you do not care?

What a rude foo! And we are still surprised that Trump is like an elephant in a china shop!

[Royalist]

About raising the retirement age. I have already said that conversations on this topic have long been raised.
Perhaps I will arouse anger, but let me express my opinion: that the government has begun to spin up and the budget is full, now we won’t say why and how, and they start to “fool”, and our “DAM:” the light of the mind “(no other expression). I would suggest "not cutting everyone", but an individual approach: if a person feels that he can work for God's sake let him work and vice versa: if he is poor in health then retire ahead of schedule. A few examples: my classmate (without a father and materials of the third riveting no) since the 1st grade there was a "gasp" and died in 52, and a man lives on the next street: 65 liters, and the strength is like that of a bull. The neighbors are 15'-20 years younger than him and beware of contacting him, otherwise you know

[Litvinov]

"The president has the right to veto only an already adopted law."

[Sands Careers General]

Well something like that.

[Old Horseradish]

But who appointed this movie star of corruption television series? You must know that!

[Yngvar]

Как в анекдоте с евнухом:
"Мы тебе здесь маленько подрежем, но ты не волнуйся - до свадьбы заживет!"
Сейчас отрабатывают (либерасты) сценарий дальнейшего ограбления россиян (миллиардеры к ним не относятся)!

[-Pollux]

Интересно, а рабочим с горячим стажем тоже пенсионный срок продлят. И вредные условия будут сказываться на работниках на пять лет позже согласно нового закона? Законы природы прогнутся под российское законодательство?

[Gnefredov]

Quote: mr.fafes

I read it badly!
Are you sure that you will survive to retirement? Or are you so one foot in the grave, then you do not care?

Ну, одной ногой уже там, что верно, то верно
Но мне не пофигу, и это первое. А второе, прочёл тщательно и внимательно. Развод кроликов эта петиция. Поскольку к данной породе не отношусь, то и подписывать не стал. А вы будьте внимательнее в следующий раз, отставьте эмоции и разберитесь с обсуждаемым предметом, досконально. Как говорится, Дьявол скрыт в деталях

[militia2]

Тоже прочитал. Подписал.
Кроликов или не кроликов, а написано все верно. К сожалению только, не все написано.

[fif21]

Де юре-Песков прав. Правительство обозначило свои "хотелки" , люди сказали ,что о них думают. ГД РФ-и хочется и колется ( выборы в 21 году),перенесла рассмотрение вопроса на осень. Гарант над схваткой. На лицо кризис власти - Правительство не видит путей повышения доходов ,кроме как сэкономить на стариках. 2018год- профицит бюджета ,
2019 -тоже в плане рост экономики! Реальных предпосылок , для увеличения срока выхода на пенсию -нет! Отмазы типа -женщины сейчас рожают в 55,демографическая яма-просто смешны! А за заявление ,что пенсионеры долго живут на пенсии ,личико то и помять можно Сравнивать выход на пенсию у нас и на западе не корректно, доведите уровень жизни до западных стандартов , а потом сравнивайте! Сегодня мне стыдно , за страну в которой я родился и вырос.

[Shahno]

Ну, что все нервничают. Человек ко всему привыкает. Ну, поставь вам бензин по 100 за литр и выход на пенсию 70 в лет, опять поворчите, помитингуете, машину власти по любому не сломать у вас, слишком много рычагов они имеют в своих руках. И раз за разом больше.... Вы ж их сами призвали, а в хорошего царя верить, ну это как то очень по русски, мило.

[Gnefredov]

А у вас Мёртвое море мелеет. Как косметику будете продавать, коли совсем высохнет?

[Shahno]

Ничего,вот недавно в районе Мертвого моря произошел выброс брома... Косметика обретет новые компоненты, расширит так сказать, возможности применения.

[123456789]

Quote: Shahno

машину власти по любому не сломать у вас,

Если сломать вашу машину власти у нас, ваши пенсионеры останутся без пенсий

[Viktor Afanasev]

Если это провокация, то почему ВВП не выступит против? Или ему хочется досмотреть шоу до конца???

[Nix1986]

Никогда не интересовало мнение политтехнологов. Снова проигрывают сказку, что царь таки не при делах. Пипл хавает.

[tochila]

Все равно надо 28 июля выступить по всей стране,чтобы увидели волю народа!!!Чтоб дошло,что народ не !!!

[brdm]

Иди они все ПЛЯШИ!!!" Дождутся скоро!

[militia2]

I read a similar discussion on this site about two days ago. And the people here are not stupid! The people are what they are proposing, while they are proposing, they are not demanding (that I remember, list, advise you to read, this is not Medvedevism):
- if you increase the retirement age, then taking into account the intensity of physical labor (whoever has more, the less increase);
- upon reaching the age of 55 for men and women, legislatively introduce restrictions on their occupation of managerial positions;
- determine the procedure for compensating Soviet deposits and vouchers and take it into account when canceling privatization and transfer money to the Pension Fund;
-make the pension accrual system transparent (without points), and taking into account seniority, salary, studies at universities and technical schools, maternity leave, etc. Moreover, this information should not disappear from the PF website after the fact of accruing a pension;
- Introduce a progressive tax scale, whoever receives more should have a higher percentage of deductions to the PF;
- introduce a tax on the export of capital from the country;
- introduce a tax on foreign labor with the transfer of this tax to the PF;
- make gray pay schemes unprofitable for entrepreneurs (complete confiscation of property in favor of the employee);
- reduction of the staff of the Pension Fund, leasing of the premises of the pension fund;
- legalize part-time work, flexible schedules, part-time jobs, etc .;
- Beneficiaries (who earlier retires) can deduct more;
- reduce the number of deputies and the state apparatus until they work effectively;
- Mundial at the expense of the pension fund to stop, only through private donations;
-introduce a "party maximum" so that the salary of any official does not exceed the salary of a cleaning lady more than 3 times;
- Introduce personal liability (up to criminal with confiscation of property in the Pension Fund) for violation of pension rights;
- introduce a tax and luxury and transfer it to the PF;
- develop the economy, since a person receives a pension from the interest of his previous deductions and from the profit of those industries that he and previous generations created. At the same time, the decrease in the number of people working now and in the future has nothing to do with the retirement pension. They do not feed him. And if you are forced to feed, it means that his retirement money is simply stolen.
-

[The Siberian barber]

Эк, Вы загнули! дык, суть происходящего, теряется напрочь!)
ИМ, не ЭТО нужно, если исходить из действий, происходивших ранее)
То, что Вы обозначили,нужно НАМ, но не ИМ!

[Karabin]

Ей богу, проще всех на пенсию в 80 отправить, чем выполнить,то о чем написали. Ну повозмущаетесь немного и опять "ЗА" Луноликого и визиря его.

[demokrat86]

Уловка власти сработала и работает по сей день безотказно, народ шумит и волнуется по поводу пенсионной реформы. Уже подписывается петиции с требованием отменить эту самую реформу. Все идет по плану, именно этого эффекта и добивались власти. Объясняю по чему так: Как не странно но правительство выбрало самый худший вариант реформы из трех имеющихся, мужчинам на 5 лет женщинам на 8...а были варианты 5 и 3, и еще 5 и 0. Не спроста выбран самый скандальный вариант, чем сильнее народ возмутиться пенсионной реформой тем тише и мягче пройдет главное событие увеличение налога НДС. Что даст увеличение НДС власти?...600 миллиардов рублей в год. примерно по 400 рублей в месяц, с каждого жителя нашей страны включая детей, пенсионеров и безработных. Получается что сами пенсионеры будут тратить больше и тем самым пополнять бюджет страны. Ну а что даст увеличение пенсионного возраста? да ровным счетом ни чего, рабочих мест все ровно нет, здоровье к 65 годам просто не позволит работать, а инфляция сожрет копеечные прибавки к пенсиям. Вот и получается что изменять что либо в пенсионной сфере не целесообразно но вызовет большой резонанс и отвлечет от главного воровства власти. Время подобрано грандиозно, ЧМ 2018...запрещены все виды митингов и протестов, за выход на акцию можно в момент оказаться в кутузке ( угроза безопасности) народ фанатично увлечен футболом. Пожилое поколение в состоянии шока от перспектив скончаться прямо на рабочем месте. Умно, ну так там же не дураки сидят. Ясно вижу как после чемпионата, когда народ начнет раскачивать лодку, выйдет рыцарь в блистающих доспехах и скажет....нет!...не дам народ в обиду, не бывать повышения пенсионного возраста ( пока я президент)... и под оглушающее Ура!....народные массы начнут вновь восхвалять Путина...отца кормильца и заступника. Но налог останется на 2% больше. Платить люди будут и бюджет пополнится и олигархам нашим поможем именно таким способом. Так что успокойтесь дорогие кандидаты в пенсионеры...ни каких изменений не будет, как мы были нищими так ими и останемся.

[Serge2068]

Нищими будем до тех пор, пока не выковыряем эту чуму из Кремля. 100 лет назад народ как то поактивней был, а сейчас всем все по хрену, сидят на попе ровно, да ещё и на выборы ходят. Зачем? Эта проблема решается только силой. Никакие выборы, даже если 100 % жителей проголосуют против Путина ничего не изменят. Они там засели вовсе не для того, что бы в демократию играть. Цель и главная - уничтожение России и русского мира. Вот они и стараются всеми силами. А народ до сих пор ведется на эту байку про доброго царя и злых бояр.

[Signaller]

Конечно-ему, что так что с другого боку. Он госслужаший- по лубому 65 лет трубить от звонка до звонка.. А вот Дядя Ваня уже-по сути инвалид-о 57 годах уйдет на пенсию на год пожже-.Да тут главное не когда- тут главное-уходя на пенсию Вы получать начинаете её-долгожданну-пенсию.. Ну и как обычно еще и работаем. Плюс на плюс-получаем достаток выше среднего.

[Romanenko]

Может для кого-нибудь это будет смешно, а может, кто и задумается.
Словом, очередная версия происходящего.
Давайте припомним, чем последнее время был озабочен запад и о чем несколько раз проболтался шановний Петро гнилое нутро.
Разговоры велись по Крымскому мосту и ЧМ по футбоу.
Типа мост упадет или будет взорван, причем по прямой подсказке "партнеров", а ЧМ будет сорван злыми русскими фанатами.
Теперь отступим на 10 лет назад.
В августе 2008 руками США была организована кровавая провокация в \северной Осетии силами Грузии.
Схема была проста, премьер РФ отправился на ОИ, в то-же время тогдашний президент спокойно наблюдал за происходящим, пока срочно вернувшийся премьер сильным пинком не разбудил его и не ввел войска в зону конфликта, причем на самом законом основании.
Нынешний 2018 год, запущен мост в Крым, пресечены попытки развития провокаций в совместно исползуемом Азовском море, осечка с Крымом.
Делается обходной маневр - показать звериный лик России.
Включаются агенты влияния в российском правительстве и после запуска ЧМ вбрасывается, причем как уже готовый закон, а не проект провокация на тему пенсионной реформы.
By whom?
Все знают кем и, надеюсь, понимают зачем. Надо вывести народ на улицу и показать "звериный лик" понаехавшим болельщикам.
Что это? Подножка, удар в спину? Да однозначно!
Имена организаторов известны всем, их каждый день все слышат по телевидению и читают в прессе.
Следующим движением активно подключается пятая колонна и массово рассылает призывы к неподчинению и протестам, пока что в неявной форме, просто ждет команды активизироваться в следующей фазе..
From whom?
Тоже знаете.
От них -же, их работодатели светиться не будут.
А дальше все просто, вывести на улицу и оганизовать первую кровь, причем неважно с чьей стороны.
Лучше всего со стороны каких-нибудь англичан или доверчивых латиноамериканцев.
Что должно последовать?
Выводы, надеюсь все сделают сами.

[shura7782]

I especially liked it.Включаются агенты влияния в российском правительстве ......
У нас в РП, без нескольких министров все остальные -давно агенты влияния. Особенно Димон.

[Karabin]

Quote: Romanenko

Выводы, надеюсь все сделают сами.

Подобьем бабки. Виноват госдеп. Он выбрал нам едро. Назначил Медведева премьером и отзвиздил Царя Вована ,так что его нигде не видно и не слышно.

[SCHMEL]

he said that Vladimir Putin at this stage is in no way involved in the discussion of this issue

[shura7782]

заявил, что Владимир Путин на данном этапе никаким образом не участвует в обсуждении данного вопроса.

Всё правильно. Вован перевёл стрелки на Димона, запустил механизм и отошёл в сторону. Очень хитро всё устроил. Якобы, Не при делах.

[dmitry_den]

Quote: The same Lech

Конечно же нам следует ожидать ужесточения политики правительства в отношении рядовых граждан....

самое главное за период своего царствования он уже сделал - создал мощнейший механизм подавления любой смуты. и он не остановится ни перед чем, как не остановился Николай кровавый 9 января 1905 года Вы думаете он НЕ решится выводить танки на улицы Москвы, как это сделал вопреки конституции борька сорокоградусный? Таманская и Кантемировская дивизии всегда держат прогретыми двигатели

Цари и либералы стреляли в безоружный народ 9 января 1905 года, в феврале 1917 года, в октябре 1993 года. Но орут про кровавых большевиков больше всех

[Snail N9]

Совсем скоро....

[Karabin]

Президент не принимает участия

But why?
"Прямая линия" уже была. До следующих встреч. Хорошего вам настроения.

[Serge2068]

А не надоело ли русским, что целый народ эти кремлевские волшебники разводят уже скоро 30 лет? Добрый царь и плохие бояре. добрый и злой следователь? Ну сколько можно вестись на эту туфту? Эта одна людоедская команда и работают они получше, чем наши футболисты - гораздо более слаженно. Сам факт - что проект такого безумного закона был опубликован уже должен наконец открыть людям глаза - власть не остановиться ни перед чем, что бы добить русский мир. Этих "патриотов" наградил бы высшими орденами даже Гитлер за лучший вклад в борьбу со славянами.

[Serge2068]

За выдающийся вклад в борьбе с русским народом Гитлер мог бы наградить Путина и его команду высшими наградами рейха.

[acetophenone]

Подпишут миллионов 15-20, тогда может быть. Клоун Песков затянул сказочку про доброго царя. Тьфу!

[Halkalak]

For Peskov, organizing the collection of signatures for pension reform, or even its cancellation, is not a problem. I would have organized a referendum in his place, and everyone would have voted in favor. How cute

[Goha]

Все чинуши, депутаты ГД, конгрессмены умирают на работе , как в советском Политбюро. Они даже не знают во сколько лет они уходят на пенсию. Мумии и овощи , хоть бы близко по телеку не показывали, мощнейший грим не помогает, в голове старческий маразм.

[Pavel_n]

Quote: dmitry_den

Цари и либералы стреляли в безоружный народ 9 января 1905 года, в феврале 1917 года, в октябре 1993 года. Но орут про кровавых большевиков больше всех

Очень верно подмечено. И вот вопрос - а как сегодняшняя власть относится к событиям октября 1993 года ?

[vladimirvn]

Да ладно! Ни чего он не знает. Все тщательно отслеживается. Дадим слабину. Сомнут.

[tv70]

законов нужных с одним смыслом, но разной формулировкой, зажравшиеся, могут напридумывать массу, глядишь, солнцеликий прошляпит и вето не наложит. А им бедолагам за заботу о народе, хоть малую толику, но подай.