Iron Timur. Part of 2

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The grand conquests of Genghis Khan and his descendants led to the appearance on the political map of the world of a huge empire stretching from the Pacific Ocean to the shores of the Black Sea and the Persian Gulf. The lands of Central Asia were given to Genghis Khan's second son, Jagatay. However, the sons and grandchildren of Chingis quickly quarreled among themselves, as a result, the majority of the members of the Jagatay house were exterminated and for a short time the rulers of the Golden Horde came to power in Maverannahr, first Batu Khan, and then Burke. However, in the 60 of the XIII century, the grandson of Jagatay Alguy was able to defeat the appointees of the Golden Horde khans and become the ruler of their hereditary lands. Despite the absence of strong external enemies, the Jagatai ulus did not last long and at the beginning of the XIV century. broke up into two parts - Maverannahr and Mogolistan. The reason for this was the struggle between the Mongol clans, part of which (Jelair and Barlas) fell under the charm of Islamic culture and settled in the cities of Maverannahr. In contrast to them, the Mongols of Semirechye continued to preserve the purity of the nomadic tradition, calling the barlasians and Jelairs to Karaunas, that is, half-breeds, half-breeds. Those, in turn, called the Mongols of Semirechye and Kashgar jets (robbers) and regarded them as backward and rude barbarians. Despite the fact that the majority of the nomads of Mogolistan professed Islam, the inhabitants of Maverannakhr did not recognize them as Muslims and until the 15th century sold them into slavery as kafirs. However, the Jagatans of Maverannakhr retained many of the habits of their Mongolian ancestors (for example, the scythe and the habit of wearing untrimmed mustaches hanging over the lips), and therefore the residents of the surrounding countries, in turn, did not consider them "their own: so, in 1372, the ruler of Khorezm Hussein Sufi told Ambassador Timur: "Your kingdom is a war area (i.e., possession of the infidels), and it is the duty of a Muslim to fight with you."

The last Genghiside in the Maverannahr part of the Jagatai ulus, Kazan Khan, died in the internecine war, which was led by a supporter of the old traditions, Bek Kazagan (in 1346). The winner did not accept the khan's title: confining himself to the rank of emir, he brought up front khans from the Genghis Khan clan at his court (later Timur and Mamai went this way). In 1358, Kazagan was killed on a hunt and Maverannahr plunged into a state of complete anarchy. Shakhrisyabz submitted to Haji Barlas, Khojent to the head of the Jelaer clan Bayazed, Balkh to the grandson of Kazagan Hussein, and numerous small princes ruled in the mountains of Badakhshan. As a result of these events, Maverannahr turned out to be the prey of the Mogolistan Khan Toklug-Timur, who in 1360-1361 invaded this country. And here on historical the scene was made by our hero - the son of the Barlas Bek Taragay Timur.



Iron Timur. Part of 2
Timur. Bust conqueror


According to an ancient legend, Timur was born gray and with a piece of dried blood in his hand. It happened that 25 736 shaban, i. April 9 (according to other data - May 7) 1336 was in the village of Khoja Ilgar near the town of Shakhrisabs. Since childhood, Timur loved horses, perfectly shot from a bow, early showed the qualities of a leader and therefore already in his youth was surrounded by his peers.

“They say,” wrote the ambassador of the Castilian king Henry III Ruy González de Claviho, “that he (Timur), with the help of his four or five servants, began to take away from the neighbors one day a ram, another day a cow”.

Gradually, a whole squad of well-armed people gathered around a successful young Bek-robber, with whom he attacked the lands of his neighbors and merchants' caravans. Some sources (including Russian chronicles) claim that it was during one of these raids that he was wounded in his right arm and right leg. The wounds healed, but Timur remained forever lame and got his famous nickname - Timurleng (limp) or, in European transcription, Tamerlane. However, in fact, this wound was received by Timur much later. Armenian chronicler Thomas Metsopsky, for example, reports that Timur "was wounded in 1362 in a battle with Turkmen in Seistan, was wounded by two arrows." So it was. Many years later (in 1383) Timur met the leader of his enemies in Sistan and ordered to shoot him with bows.

The Russian chronicle refers to Timur Temir-Aksak ("Iron Chromzem"), claiming that he is "an iron smith by the hand" and even "forged a broken leg with his iron". Here the Russian author associates himself with Ibn Arabshah, the author of the book “The Miracles of Predestination in the Events (Lives) of Timur,” who also mentions this profession as the future ruler of half the world.

In May-June, the 1941 by M.Gerasimov attempted to create a sculptural portrait of Tamerlan on the basis of a study of the structure of his skeleton. For this purpose, Timur's tomb was opened in the Gur-Emir mausoleum. It turned out that the growth of the conqueror was equal to 170 cm (at that time people of this height were considered tall). Based on the skeleton structure, it was concluded that Tamerlane was indeed wounded by arrows in his right arm and leg, and traces of numerous bruises were preserved. In addition, it was found that Tamerlan’s right leg was affected by the tuberculosis process and the disease probably caused him great suffering. The researchers suggested that when riding a horse, Timur should have felt better than when he walked. When examining the bones of the pelvis, vertebrae and ribs, it was concluded that Tamerlane's torso was skewed in such a way that the left shoulder was higher than the right, but this should not have affected the proud landing of the head. At the same time, it was noted that at the time of death Timur had almost no signs of senile phenomena related to the general aging of the body, and the biological age of the 72-year conqueror did not exceed 50 years. The remains of the hair led to the conclusion that Timur had a small thick beard of a wedge-shaped form and long mustache, hanging loosely over the lip. Hair color - red with gray. The research data coincides with the memories of Timur’s appearance left by some contemporaries: Thomas Metsopsky: “The Lame Timur ... from Chingiz’s Offspring on the Female Line. Ryzheborod, tall and unusually strong” (remember that the Mongols, before they mixed with outnumbered by their nomads in Asia, they were tall people, red-bearded and blue-eyed).

Ibn Arabshah: “Timur was well built, tall, had an open forehead, a big head, a strong voice, and his strength was not inferior to his courage; a bright blush enlivened the whiteness of his face. He had broad shoulders, thick fingers, long hips, strong muscles He wore a long beard, his right arm and leg were mutilated. His look was rather affectionate. He neglected death, and although he didn’t have enough for 80 years when he died, he still hadn’t lost his genius or his fearlessness. He was the enemy of lies, jokes did not amuse him ... He loved Shiva is the truth, no matter how it was cruel. "

Spanish ambassador Clavijo, who saw Timur shortly before his death, reports that the “senor's” limp was invisible in direct body position, but his eyesight was very weak, so he could barely see the Spaniards very close to him. Timur's finest hour came in 1361. He was 25 years old when Khan Mogolistan, Toklug-Timur, met no resistance and seized the lands and cities of Maverannakhr. The ruler of Shahrisabz, Hadji Barlas, fled to Khorasan, but Timur preferred to enter the service of the Mongol khan, who transferred him to the administration of Kashka-Darya vilayet. However, when Toklug-Timur, having left his son Ilyas-Khoja in Maverannakhr, left for the Mogulistan steppe, Timur ceased to reckon with the nomads and even freed 70 descendants of the prophets Mohammed, who were imprisoned in the north by aliens. Thus, Timur from an ordinary Bek-robber became one of the independent rulers of Maverannakhr and gained popularity both among devout Muslims and among patriotic compatriots. At this time, he became close to the grandson of Bek Kazagan Hussein, whose sister he married. The main occupation of the Allies was the campaign against the neighbors, whose goal was the subordination of the new areas of Maverannahr. Such behavior of Timur naturally caused discontent with Khan Mogolistan, who ordered his death. This order fell into Timur’s hands and in 1362, he was forced to flee towards Khorezm. On one of the nights of that year, Timur, his wife and Emir Hussein were captured by the Turkmen leader Ali Bey, who threw them into a dungeon. The days spent in captivity did not pass without a trace: "While in prison, I firmly decided and made a promise to God that I would never allow myself to put anyone in prison without settling cases," Timur wrote many years later in his Autobiography ". Through the day's 62, Timur received a sword from the guards he had bribed:

"With this weapons in my hands, I rushed upon those guards who did not agree to set me free, and put them to flight. I heard cries around me: “I ran, I ran,” and I was ashamed of my deed. I immediately went straight to Ali-bek Dzhany-Kurbani and he ... felt respect for my valor and was ashamed (Autobiography) .

Ali-bey did not argue with a man who makes a complaint, waving a drawn sword. Therefore, Timur "soon left there accompanied by twelve horsemen and went to the Khorezm steppe." In 1365, the new Khan of Mogolistan, Ilyas-Khoja, went on a campaign against Maverannahr. Timur and Hussein came to meet him. At the time of the battle began a heavy downpour and the Allied cavalry lost maneuverability. The “mud battle” was lost, Timur and Hussein fled, opening the way for the steppe inhabitants to Samarkand. The city had neither walls, nor a garrison, nor military leaders. However, among the residents of the city there were a lot of seberdars - "gallows", who asserted that it was better to die on the gallows than to bend back before the Mongols. At the head of the national militia were the student of the Maulana Zadeh madrasa, the clawler Abu Bakr and the archer of the bow Hurdek and Bukhari. Barricades were erected on the narrow streets of the city in such a way that only the main street remained free for passage. When the Mongols entered the city, arrows and stones fell on them from all sides. Having suffered heavy losses, Ilyas-Khoja was forced to first retreat, and then completely leave Samarkand without receiving any ransom or loot. Upon learning of an unexpected victory, Timur and Hussein entered the spring of next year in Samarkand. Here they treacherously captured the leaders of the seberders who believed them and executed them. At the insistence of Timur, only Mowlana Zadeh was saved. In 1366, friction arose between the allies. It began with the fact that Hussein began to demand from the associates of Timur large sums of money that were spent on the conduct of the war. Timur took these debts on himself and, in order to pay off his creditors, even sold his wife’s earrings. This confrontation reached its apotheosis for 1370 and resulted in the siege of Hussein’s city of Balkh. To surrender to Hussein, Tamerlane promised only life. He really did not kill him, but did not protect him from the blood enemies, who soon saved Timur from his former comrade. From the harem of Hussein, Timur took four wives for himself, among them was the daughter of Khan Kazan, Sarai Mulk-Khanum. This circumstance gave him the right to the title of "Khan's son-in-law" (gurgan), which he carried throughout his life.

Despite the fact that after the death of Hussein, Timur became the actual owner of most of Maverannahr, he, taking into account the traditions, allowed him to choose one of the descendants of Jagat, Suyurgatamysh, as khan. Timur was a barlas, perhaps, therefore, representatives of another Mongol tribe of Maverannakhr (living in the region of Khojent) Jelayers expressed disobedience to the new emir. The fate of the rebels was sad: the ulus of the Jelairans ceased to exist, its inhabitants were resettled throughout Maverannahr, and gradually they were assimilated by the local population.

Timur easily managed to subdue the land between the Amu-Darya and Syr-Darya, Fergana and Shash region. It was much harder to return Khorezm. After the Mongols conquered this area was divided into two parts: Northern Khorezm (with the city of Urgench) became part of the Golden Horde, the Southern (with the city of Kyat) - into the Dzhagatai ulus. However, in the 60 of the XIII century, North Khorezm managed to emerge from the Golden Horde, moreover, the ruler of Khorezm Hussein Sufi also captured Kyat and Khiva. Considering the capture of these cities illegal, Timur demanded to return them. The hostilities began in 1372 and by the time of 1374 the city of Khorezm recognized the authority of Timur. In 1380, Tamerlane conquered Khorassan, Kandahar and Afghanistan, 1383 turned to Mazanderand, from where Timur's troops headed for Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia. This was followed by the seizure of Isfagani and Shiraz, but then Timur learned that Khorezm, which had entered the orbit of his interests, attracted the attention of the new ruler of the Golden Horde. The ruler of this was Khan Tokhtamysh, who became famous for burning Moscow just two years after the Battle of Kulikovo. The Western (Golden) and Eastern (White) Hordes were integral parts of the ulus of the eldest son of Chinggis Juchi. This division was connected with the Mongolian traditions of organization of the army: the Golden Horde supplied the soldiers of the right wing from among its population, the White Horde supplied the soldiers of the left wing. However, the White Horde soon became isolated from the Golden One, and this caused numerous military conflicts between the descendants of Juchi.

In the period from 1360-1380. The Golden Horde experienced a protracted crisis ("great confusion") associated with a permanent civil war, in which both the mediocre Chingizids and the rootless, but talented adventurers took part, the most prominent of which was Temnik Mamai. In total for 20 years in Sarai 25 khans changed. It is not surprising that the ruler of the White Horde, Uruskhan, decided to take advantage of the apparent weakness of the western neighbors to unite the entire former ulus of Jochi under his rule. This worried Timur, who captured a piece of the Golden Horde territory and now sought to prevent the strengthening of the northern nomads. The Russian chroniclers, who traditionally painted Temir-Aksak with black colors, did not even suspect what a powerful ally appeared in Russia in 1376. He did not know anything about his Russian allies and Timur. It was just that that year Tsarevich Chingizid Tokhtamysh fled from the White Horde and, with the support of Timur, opened military actions against Urus Khan. The commander Tokhtamysh was so unimportant that even having at his disposal the magnificent Timur troops, he twice suffered a crushing defeat from the army of the steppe inhabitants of Urus Khan. The matter went smoothly only when Tamerlane himself marched, thanks to whose victories in 1379, Tokhtamysh was proclaimed Khan of the White Horde. However, Tamerlane made a mistake in Tokhtamysh, who immediately showed his ingratitude, becoming an active follower of the policy of the enemy Timur - Urus-Khan: taking advantage of the weakening of the defeated Maulia in the Kulikovo battle, he easily defeated the Golden Horde troops on Kalka and, having seized power in Sarai, almost completely restored ulus Juchi.

As already mentioned, Timur was a consistent enemy of all nomads. L.N.Gumilyov called him "the paladin of Islam" and compared with the last Khorezm Shah's son, the frantic Jalal ad-Din. However, none of the opponents of the all-powerful emir even remotely looked like Chinggis Khan and his famous comrades. Timur started from battles against Ilyas-Khoji, and then, after the khan was killed by the emir Kamar ad-Din, he made six campaigns against the usurper, mercilessly ruining the camp and stealing cattle, thus condemning the steppe inhabitants to death. The last campaign against Qamar ad-Din was made in 1377. Next in line was Tokhtamysh, whose head was spinning from success, and who clearly overestimated his capabilities. Having seized the throne of the Golden Horde in 1380, brutally ravaged the Ryazan and Moscow lands in 1382, having organized trips to Azerbaijan and Transcaucasia in 1385, Tokhtamysh in 1387 hit the former patron's possessions. Timur was not in Samarkand at that time - from 1386. his army fought in Iran. In 1387 was Isfahan (in which, after an unsuccessful uprising, towers were built from 70 000 human heads) and Shiraz (where Timur had a conversation with Hafiz, which was described above) were taken. Meanwhile, the troops of the Golden Horde, countless as raindrops, passed through Khorezm and Maverannakhr to Amu-Darya, and many residents of Khorezm, especially from the city of Urgench, supported Tokhtamysh. The rapid return of Timur caused a panic in the ranks of the Horde troops, dispersed over a vast territory: they fled, leaving Khorezm to the mercy of fate. In 1388 was Urgench was destroyed, barley was sown at the site of the city, and residents were relocated to Maverannahr. Only in 1391, the Timur ordered to restore this ancient city and its inhabitants were able to return to their homeland. Having settled with Khorezm, Timur in 1389 overtook Tokhtamysh near the lower Syr-Darya. The troops of the Golden Horde consisted of Kipchaks, Circassians, Alans, Bulgarians, Bashkirs, residents of Kafa, Azov and Russians (among others in the army of Tokhtamysh, Suzdal Prince Boris Konstantinovich was expelled by nephews from Nizhny Novgorod). Being defeated in several battles, this army fled to the Urals. Timur, on the other hand, deployed his troops to the east and dealt a crushing blow to the Irtysh nomads, who attacked his state at the same time as the Horde. At the height of the events described (in 1388), Khan Suyurgatmysh died and his son Sultan-Mahmud became the new nominal ruler of Maverannakhr. Like his father, he did not play any political role, did not intervene in Timur’s orders, but was respected by the ruler. As a military leader, Sultan Mahmud participated in many military campaigns, and in the battle of Ankara he even captured the Turkish Sultan Bayazid. After the death of Sultan Mahmud (1402), Timur did not appoint a new khan and minted coins on behalf of the deceased. In 1391 was Timur launched a new campaign against the Golden Horde. On the territory of modern Kazakhstan, at the mountain Ulug-tag, he ordered to inscribe on the stone that the sultan of Turan Timur with the 200-thousandth army marched on Tokhtamysh’s blood. (In the mid-twentieth century, this stone was discovered and is now stored in the Hermitage). 18th of June 1391


The stone at the site of the battle of Timur and Tokhtamysh in 1391


Tokhtamysh was counting on the help of his vassal, the Moscow prince Vasily Dmitrievich, but fortunately for the Russian troops, they were late and returned home without loss. Moreover, taking advantage of the weakening of the Golden Horde, the son of Dmitry Donskoy, in 1392, knocked out his enemy and Tokhtamysh Boris Konstantinovich's ally from Nizhny Novgorod, annexing this city to the Moscow state. The defeated Tokhtamysh needed money, so in 1392 he favorably accepted the “way out” from Vasily Dmitrievich and gave him a label for reigning in Nizhny Novgorod, Gorodets, Mescher and Tarus.

However, this campaign of Timur did not yet mean the collapse of the Golden Horde: the left bank of the Volga remained untouched and therefore already in 1394, Tokhtamysh gathered a new army and led it to the Caucasus - to Derbent and the lower Kura. Tamerlan made an attempt to make peace: “In the name of Almighty God I ask you: with what intention did you, the kypchak Khan, ruled by the pride demon, take up arms again?” He wrote Tokhtamysh, “Have you forgotten our last war when my hand turned into dust your strengths, riches and power? Remember how much you owe me. Do you want peace, do you want war? Choose. I’m ready to go on that and the other. But remember that this time you will not be mercy. " In his response letter, Tokhtamysh insulted Timur and in 1395 the city of Tamerlane led his troops through the Derbent Pass and crossed the Terek, on the shores of which 14 of April had a three-day battle that decided the fate of Tokhtamysh and the Golden Horde. The number of enemy troops was approximately equal, but not Timber shepherds served in Timur’s army, even if they were accustomed to living in the saddle and constant raids, but professional warriors of the highest class. It is not surprising that the troops of Tokhtamysh, "countless as locusts and ants", were defeated and fled. For the pursuit of the enemy, Timur sent out 7 men out of every ten - they drove the Horde to the Volga, making way for 200 versts with the corpses of their opponents. Timur himself, at the head of the remaining troops, reached the Samara Bend, destroying on his way all the cities and villages of the Golden Horde, including Sarai Berke and Haji-Tarkhan (Astrakhan). From there, he turned to the west, the advance guard of his army reached the Dnieper and, near Kiev, defeated troops under the authority of Tokhtamysh Bek-Yaryk. One of Timur's troops invaded the Crimea, the other captured Azov. Then separate parts of the Timurov army reached the Kuban and routed the Circassians. In the meantime, Timur captured the Russian border fortress Yelets.


The icon of the Vladimir Mother of God, to whom the miraculous salvation of Russia from the invasion of Timur was attributed, is kept in the Tretyakov Gallery


According to the reports of Scheref ad-Din and Nizam ad-Din, this small town, he got "ore gold and pure silver, dimming moonlight, and canvas, and anti-Akhian homespun cloth ... brilliant beavers, a myriad of black sable, ermine .. lynx furs ... shiny squirrels and reds like ruby, foxes, as well as stallions who have not yet seen horseshoes. " These messages shed light on the mysterious retreat of Timur from the Russian borders: "Not we drove them, but God expelled them with his invisible power ... not our governors drove Temir-Aksak, not our troops to frighten him ...", the author was surprised "The Tale of Temir-Aksak", ascribing the miraculous deliverance of Russia from the hordes of Tamerlane to the miraculous power of the icon of the Mother of God delivered to Moscow from Vladimir.

Apparently, the Moscow Prince Vasily Dmitrievich managed to buy peace from Timur. From this year began the real agony of the Golden Horde. Russia stopped paying tribute to Tokhtamysh, who, like a hunted beast, rushed across the steppe. In search of money in 1396, he tried to seize the Genoese city of Cafu, but was defeated and fled to Kiev to the Grand Duke of Lithuania Vitovt. Since then, Tokhtamysh no longer had the strength for independent action, so in exchange for help in the war against Timur's appointees (Khans Edigei and Temir-Kutlug), he ceded the rights to Moscow Russia, considered the ulus of the Golden Horde, to Vitovt.


Grand Duke of Lithuania Vitovt, a monument in Kaunas


The situation seemed to favor the plans of the Allies, since Timur's victorious army in 1398 went into the Indian campaign. However, for Vitovt, this adventure ended in a cruel defeat in the Battle of Vorksl (12 in August 1399), in which, in addition to thousands of ordinary soldiers, 20 princes were killed, including the heroes of the Kulikovo battle, Andrei and Dmitry Olgerdovich, as well as the famous war governor Dmitry Donskoy Bobrok -Volynsky. Tokhtamysh was the first to flee from the battlefield, while Vitovt got lost in the forest during the retreat, from which he managed to get out only after three days. I think the name of Elena Glinskaya is known to readers. According to the legend, Vitovt managed to get out of the forest with the help of an ancestor of his mother Ivan IV, a certain Cossack Mamai, who was granted the princely title and the Clay tract for this service.

And Tokhtamysh, who was left without allies and deprived of the throne, roamed the Trans-Volga region After the death of Timur, he made the last attempt to return to the throne of the Golden Horde, was defeated by his brother Temir-Kutlug Shadibek and was soon killed at the lower reaches of Tobol.

For the campaign in Hindustan, Timur took 92 000 warriors. The number corresponded to the number of the names of the Prophet Mohammed — in this way Timur wanted to emphasize the religious character of a future war. This comparatively small army was enough for Tamerlan to completely defeat India and capture Delhi. The war elephants did not help the Hindus either: to fight them, Tamerlane’s warriors used buffaloes, to whose horns bundles of burning straw were tied. Before the battle with the sultan of the city of Delhi, Mahmud, Timur ordered 100 to kill thousands of captured Indians, whose behavior seemed suspicious to him. This decision, I suppose, was not easy for him - since there were many skilled craftsmen among the slaves, whom Tamerlane always considered the most valuable part of military booty. In many other cases, Timur preferred to take the risk of throwing only a small part of the army into battle, while the main forces escorted a million captured artisans and a wagon train full of gold and jewels. For example, in January, 1399 in the gorge, called the Ganges font, was opposed by 10 thousand hebras to the 1,500 squad of Timur. However, only 100 people, led by Tamerlane himself, entered into battle with the enemy: the rest were left to protect the booty, which consisted of camels, cattle, gold and silver jewelry. The horror before Timur was so great that this squad was enough to turn the enemy to flight. In early February, 1399. Timur received news of insurrections in Georgia and the invasion of Turkish Sultan Bayazid’s troops into the frontier possessions of his empire, and in May of the same year he returned to Samarkand. A year later, Tamerlan was already in Georgia, but he was in no hurry to launch a war against Bayazid, entering into a correspondence with the ruler of the Ottomans, in which "all allowed by eastern diplomatic forms of abuse were exhausted." Timur could not ignore the fact that Bayazid became famous in victorious wars with the "infidels" and therefore enjoyed high prestige in all Muslim countries. Unfortunately, Bayazid was a drunkard (i.e., a violator of one of the main commandments of the Koran). In addition, he patronized the Turkmen Kara-Yusuf, who made his trade robbery of caravans of two sacred cities - Mecca and Medina. So there is still a plausible excuse for war.


Sultan Bayazid


Bayazid was a worthy opponent of the invincible Tamerlane. He was the son of Sultan Murad, who crushed the kingdom of the Serbs in the battle of Kosovo (1389), but he himself died at the hands of Milos Obilic. Bayazid never defended or retreated, was swift in campaigns, appearing where he was not expected, for which he was nicknamed Lightning. Already in 1390, Bayazid captured the last Greek stronghold in Asia to Philadelphia, the following year he took Thessaloniki and undertook the first unsuccessful trial of the siege of Constantinople. In 1392, he captured Sinop, in 1393, he conquered Bulgaria, and in 1396, his army defeated a hundred-thousandth army of the crusaders at Nikopol. Inviting 70 to the most distinguished knights for a feast, Bayazid then let them go free, offering to recruit a new army and again fight with him: "I liked to win you!" In 1397, Bayazid invaded Hungary, and now was preparing to finally seize Constantinople. Emperor Manuel, leaving the vicegerent in the capital, John Palaeologa, traveled to the yards of the Christian monarchs of Europe, in vain asking for their help. On the Asian shore of the Bosphorus, two mosques were already towering, and Ottoman ships dominated the Aegean Sea. Byzantium was supposed to die, but in 1400, Timur's troops moved west. Initially, the fortresses of Sebaste and Malatia in Asia Minor were captured, then military operations were transferred to the territory of Syria, a traditional ally of Egypt and the Turkish sultans. Learning about the fall of the city of Sivas, Bayazid moved his army to Caesarea. But Timur had already gone south, rushing to Aleppo and Damascus, and for the first time in his life, Bayazid did not dare to follow the enemy: after spending his forces on a clash with the Arabs, Timur would go to Samarkand, - he decided, and turned his troops back. Aleppo ruined the self-confidence of his commanders, who dared to withdraw their troops for battle outside the city walls. Most of them were encircled and trampled by elephants led by Indian drovers, and only one of the Arab cavalry units managed to get through to the road to Damascus. Others rushed to the gate, and Tamerlane's soldiers rushed into the city after them. Only a small part of the Aleppo garrison managed to hide behind the walls of the inner citadel, which fell several days later.

The vanguard of the Central Asian army under the command of the grandson of Timur Sultan-Hussein went to Damascus after the detachment of Arab cavalry retreating from Aleppo and withdrew far from the main forces. In an effort to avoid assault, the inhabitants of Damascus invited the prince to become the ruler of the city. Sultan-Hussein agreed: he was the grandson of Tamerlan from his daughter, and not from one of his sons, and, therefore, he had no chance to occupy a high position in the empire's grandfather. The Arabs of Damascus hoped that Timur would spare the city ruled by his grandson. However, Tamerlane did not like such an arbitrariness of his grandson: Damascus was besieged and during one of the raids Sultan-Hussein was captured by his grandfather, who ordered him to be punished with sticks. The siege of Damascus ended with the city residents, having received permission to pay off, opened the gates to Tamerlane. Further events are known from the report of the Armenian chronicler Thomas Metsopsky, who, referring to eyewitness accounts, claims that the women of Damascus addressed Timur with a complaint that "all men in this city are villains and homosexuals, especially the mullahs." Timur didn’t believe at first, but when "the wives in the presence of their husbands confirmed everything that was said about the illegal acts they were doing," he ordered his troops: "I have 700 000 people today and bring 700 000 towers to me tomorrow and build 7 towers for me. will bring his head, his head will be cut off. And if someone says: "I am Jesus," - not to approach him ... "The army carried out his order ... The one who failed to kill and cut off his head, bought it for 100 tang and gave a bill. "As a result of these events, fires began in the city, in which even mosques were killed, and nilsya only one minaret, which, according to tradition, "should get Jesus Christ, when you have to judge the living and the dead."


V.V. Vereshchagin. Apotheosis of war


After the fall of Damascus, the sultan of Egypt Faraj fled to Cairo, and Timur, after a two-month siege, took Baghdad. True to his habits, he also erected 120 towers from human heads, but he did not touch the mosques, educational institutions and hospitals. Returning to Georgia, Tamerlane demanded from Bayazid to issue the already familiar Kara-Yusuf, and, having been refused, in 1402 he moved his troops into Asia Minor. Having besieged Ankara, Timur was expecting Bayazid here, who soon appeared to defend his possessions. The battlefield Tamerlane chose at a distance of one transition from Ankara. Numerical superiority was on the side of Timur, however, the battle was of an extremely stubborn nature, with the Serbs, who repelled the impact of Tamerlan’s army’s right wing, showed the greatest resistance in the ranks of the Turkish troops. But the attack of the left wing was successful: the Turkish commander Perislav was killed, and part of the Tatars, who were part of the Turkish army, went over to Timur. With the next blow, Timur tried to separate the violently fighting Serbs from Bayazid, but they managed to break through the enemy ranks and joined up with the reserve units of the Turks.

“These dandy fights are fighting like lions,” said the surprised Tamerlane himself moved against Bayezid.

The head of the Serbs, Stefan, advised the Sultan to flee, but he decided to stay with his Janissaries on the spot and fight to the end. The sons of Bayazid left the sultan: Mohammed retreated to the mountains of the northeast, Isa - to the south, and the Serb-guarded Suleiman, the eldest son and heir to the sultan, went west. Pursued by the grandson of Timur Mirza-Mohammed-Sultan, he nevertheless reached the city of Brouss, where he boarded the ship, leaving the winners with all the treasures, the library and the harem of Bayazid. Bayazid himself before the night reflected the attacks of Tamerlane’s superior forces, and when he decided to flee, his horse fell and the ruler, who had frightened the whole of Europe, fell into the hands of the powerless Khan of the Jagatai ulus Sultan Mahmud.

"God must have little appreciation of power on Earth, since he gave one half of the world to the lame and the other to the crooked," said Timur, seeing an enemy who had lost an eye in an old battle with the Serbs.

According to some sources, Tamerlane put Bayezid in an iron cage, which served as a footboard for him when riding a horse. According to other sources, by contrast, was very gracious to the defeated enemy. Anyway, in the same 1402, Bayazid died in captivity.

“The human race is also not worth it, in order to have two leaders, it must be managed by only one, and that is ugly, like me,” Timur said about this.

There is information that Timur intended to put an end to the Ottoman state forever: to continue the war, he demanded warships from Emperor Manuel 20, he also asked for Venice and Genoa. However, after the battle of Ankara, Manuil did not fulfill the terms of the treaty and even helped the defeated Turks. It was a very short-sighted decision, which resulted in the fall of the Byzantine Empire through 50 years after the events described. After the victory over Bayazid, Timur was at the zenith of fame and power, not one state in the world had the power to resist him. The state of Tamerlane included Maverannahr, Khorezm, Khorassan, Transcaucasia, Iran and Punjab. Syria and Egypt recognized themselves as vassals of Timur and minted a coin with his name. After appointing the rulers in the abandoned areas and ordering to rebuild Baghdad, Tamerlane went to Georgia, the king of which, having offered a tribute, managed to avoid a new devastating invasion. At that time, Timur received ambassadors from the Spanish king and entered into correspondence with the monarchs of France and England. From Timur’s letters it follows that he did not intend to continue the war in the West, proposing to King Charles VI of France “to ensure the freedom of trade relations for the merchants of both countries by concluding an agreement or an agreement”. Returning to Samarkand, Tamerlane surrendered to his main passion, i.e. to decorate the beloved Samarkand, ordering the craftsmen, taken from Damascus, to build a new palace, and to the Persian artists to decorate its walls. However, he couldn’t sit at home for a long time: after 5 months after Timur returned, he headed east for the 200-thousandth army. The goal of the last campaign was China. According to Tamerlane, the war with the Chinese pagans was to serve as an atonement for the Muslim blood shed by his army in Syria and Asia Minor. However, Timur’s desire to crush the last great state located at the borders of the state created by him should be considered the more likely reason for this campaign, and thereby ease the rule of his successor. 11 February 1405 city Timur arrived in Otrar, where he caught a cold and became fatally ill. Nizam ad-Din reports that "since Timur’s mind remained healthy from beginning to end, Timur, in spite of severe pains, did not cease to inquire about the condition and position of the troops." However, realizing that his "illness was stronger than drugs," Timur bade farewell to his wives and emirs, appointing his grandson from Jehangir's eldest son, Pir-Mohammed, to succeed him. 18 February the heart of the great conqueror stopped. The associates of Timur tried to conceal the death of the leader in order to carry out at least part of his plan and strike at the Mongolian ulus of Central Asia. Failed and this. Timur ruled 36 for years, and, as Scheref ad-Din noted, this number coincided with the number of his sons and grandchildren. According to Tamerlan's "Pedigree," "the heirs of Amir Temir mainly killed each other in the struggle for power." Soon the multinational state of Timur crumbled into its constituent parts, at home the Timurids gave way to the rulers of other dynasties, and only in faraway India until 1807.


Samarkand. Gur-Emir, the tomb of Timur
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  1. +3
    23 June 2018 06: 29
    In addition, he created Baghdad (Uzbek. Bagʻdod / Badod) - an urban-type village in the Ferghana region and Paris (the village of Farish / Forish of the Jizzakh region).
    1. +1
      23 June 2018 10: 21
      Actually the whole debate around the Mongols, the conquests of Tamerlane comes down to one main circumstance. Who were the Mongols / Mughals, Timurids, etc. were they white people or belonged to the Mongoloid race? Old images say that the Mongols and Timurids were white representatives of the people of Asia. Then where did the white inhabitants of Asia go? The fact is that white tends to dissolve in non-white. It should be mixed with a white breed - gray and white will never be.
      another image of Timur



      I like a hat, a fur hat, they were not worn in the east, except for Cossacks and Turkmens.


      In many other cases, Timur chose to take risks by throwing only a small part of the army into battle, while the main forces escorted a million captured artisans and a convoy full of gold and jewelry. So, in January 1399, in the gorge, called the Ganges font, one and a half thousand detachment of Timur was opposed by 10 thousand gebras.

      10 thousand gebras?
      in general, gebras are a people in Persia, and there was, but there is such
      -Hebra studies is already a doctrine of the Hebrew language. It’s a coincidence. The truth is 10 thousand Jews in Persia, and even armed it already too.
  2. +2
    23 June 2018 07: 15
    Nevertheless, key actions are woven into any biography. A visit to Ali-bey with a sword in his hands is one of them. Good.
  3. +3
    23 June 2018 07: 35
    Thanks to Timur, Constantinople stayed extra half a century,
    And the place of the Turkish Sultan really is in an iron cage.
    Thank you!
    1. 0
      23 June 2018 09: 10
      ... in the time of Timur, Constantinople was not ...
      1. 0
        25 June 2018 11: 47
        And where did he go at that moment? request what
  4. +2
    23 June 2018 08: 29
    He piled on the Turks
    1. 0
      23 June 2018 09: 15
      ..Ataman empire - later the Ottoman empire is a product of the 15th century .. The result of the Baptism of Russia .. when the Vatican was imposed by the Jew Jesus Christ, a schism of faith occurred ..
  5. BAI
    +4
    23 June 2018 10: 43
    As far as I remember, the role of Timur in the defeat of the Golden Horde is not reflected at all in school history textbooks. It all ends with the burning of Moscow Takhtomysh.
    1. 0
      23 June 2018 11: 21
      Khan Tokhtamysh = Dmitry Donskoy .. All Rurikovich have the title Khan ..
    2. VLR
      +7
      23 June 2018 12: 27
      BAI: Glad you paid attention to this injustice. It was Timur who defeated the Golden Horde, after his victories the Golden Horde had not recovered and ceased to be a great state. For some reason, we were embarrassed to admit this, probably, so that the identity of Timur and his “gift” to Moscow did not obscure the merits of the Moscow princes, who were loyal historians declared savers not only of Russia, but of all of Europe. Moreover, in our textbooks and even monographs, the Battle of Vorksle is described in tragic tones - they say that the hero princes Paul Kulikov and even Bobrok-Volynsky himself died. But the warriors of Timur again fought for Moscow and Russia - against its main western rival - Lithuania (the Lithuanian-Russian principality) and against Tokhtamysh who plundered Moscow! Terrifying historical injustice and monstrous ingratitude. Timur in Moscow has long been a monument to put. How many Russian lives he saved defeated Tokhtamysh and Vitovt. And for a couple of decades, both the eastern and western attacks on Russia seriously weakened.
  6. +3
    23 June 2018 12: 20
    “The Mongols, before they mixed with the nomadic nomads of Asia, were tall people, red-bearded and blue-eyed),” the Mongols are bright representatives of the titular Mongoloid race with flat faces, black hair with a rare beard and mustache, slanting eyes with skin fold inside the eyelids - carriers of the Mongolian haplogroup С2 (over 90% of the indigenous population). Genetically, the ancestors of the Mongols are the Tungus, who did not need to mix with anyone in order to acquire a characteristic appearance.

    Among the Mongols, as well as among other peoples, redheads with green eyes are occasionally found, but their flat faces and slanting eyes are creased and no one has canceled them. Timur was just such a Mongoloid - see the reconstruction of Gerasimov.

    Blue-eyed among the Mongols can be exclusively first-generation mestizos, in which one of the parents belongs to Europoids.
    1. +1
      23 June 2018 13: 04
      ... for the very gifted - I repeat once again: Mongol nation and nationality, as well as the term Mongoloid race appeared in 1920 .. Read the OPERATOR carefully ... - already tired of their carelessness ..
    2. VLR
      0
      23 June 2018 13: 16
      Without exception, chroniclers call Genghis Khan red-bearded. And green-eyed. And his whole race - too. Legend explains this by saying that the female progenitor of the race was fertilized by a ray of sunshine. Lev Gumilev considered this legend to be an indication of the mutation of the passionate push. Tall, red-haired, green-eyed Mongols were few, it was the elite. Timur was also red-bearded. Everybody points to this - apparently precisely because there were not many barlases with red hair, this was not a typical sign. Apparently, a recessive trait. But maybe in his family everyone was like that. The fact of Timur's redhead is beyond doubt - the hair in his tomb was red with gray. And it is very doubtful that he was mestizos.
      1. +2
        23 June 2018 13: 48
        Redness and green eyes are inherited in all races.

        The mestization refers only to blue-eyed.
        1. 0
          23 June 2018 14: 06
          Quote: Operator
          Redness and green eyes are inherited in all races.

          The mestization refers only to blue-eyed.


          this can only happen if white genes are present in the genus (of all races).
      2. 0
        23 June 2018 20: 52
        Quote: VlR
        they call Genghis Khan a redbeard. And green-eyed.

        red-bearded - yes, but his eyes ... the very name of his clan Borzhzhigin means "blueokay "
        1. 0
          25 June 2018 14: 13
          ..Chingis Khan = Caesar Khan - senior representative of the Khan’s clan ..
    3. 0
      6 July 2018 12: 52
      The recessive trait is highly resistant. It is worth 1-2 generations to stop feeding dominant, and deep genes will come out. A description of Genghis Khan and Batu from European monks, a description of the appearance of Timur (also given in this article), a description of the appearance of the first Seljuk sultans, is this all a fiction? Isn't that a lot of "fiction"? Even the Chinese have the first earthly emperor Yao, and that hefty fair-skinned man, with green eyes and a long dark blond beard. Also throw in the trash of history? No, of course you can close your eyes, plug your ears and repeat about the "Mongoloids" until you lose consciousness. Despite the fact that the ancient Türks (5th – 7th centuries according to the official scale) were not Mongols at all, that is why they had to introduce the term “Turkut” in order to somehow isolate themselves from the modern concept of the Turkic appearance.
  7. +1
    23 June 2018 12: 52
    Oh come on. And the mustache we went from the Turks. Ha tongue Ah, article +
  8. +6
    23 June 2018 13: 11
    Thanks to the author, quality material.
    Somewhat weakens the impression that the author, using dubious, disputed historical hypotheses, does not make this mark in the article. For example, talking about the battle at Vorskla, the author allowed himself to make the unequivocal assertion that Dmitry Mikhailovich Bobrok died there. This statement, at least, is controversial, moreover, most researchers agree that Dmitry Mikhailovich Bobrok and Dmitry Koriatovich (son of Koriat Gedeminovich, baptized as Michael), who died in the battle of Vorskla, are different people. Some believe that Bobrok is the great-grandson of Gedemin, the grandson of Lyubart Gedeminovich (at the baptism of Dmitry), the son of Mikhail Lyubartovich, the last Prince of Volyn. Personally, this design seems more convincing to me.
    In any case, it is wrong to give controversial historical hypotheses for proven truth without appropriate reservations; it doesn’t paint the author and makes him doubt the veracity of the rest of the information he sets out.
    Liked:
    “The human race is also not worth it, in order to have two leaders, it must be managed by only one, and that is ugly, like me,” Timur said about this.
    Probably this same phrase ascribed to Tamerlane, which I have read in a slightly different version: "This world is so imperfect that it is not worthy to have more than one ruler." In the version of the author, the phrase acquires additional meaning. I would like to clarify where to get this option.
    On this occasion, I remembered the phrase of Karl the Bold, which he said half a century after Tamerlane, I think, quite sincerely: "I love France so much that I would prefer to have six sovereigns instead of one in it." Diametrically opposed opinions, diametrically opposed fates. What is more useful for a ruler: to love your country or to hate the whole world? The answer is given by the story ... smile
    In general, I liked the article; I will ask the author not to get involved in historical romance to the detriment of objectivity and authenticity.
  9. +1
    23 June 2018 13: 15
    It's funny that the discussion went about the appearance of the Mongols and the indigenous inhabitants of Central Asia. They are looking for redbeard and blue eyes.
    I met Tajik Tajiks with blue eyes and Karakalpaks, but they were black with tar hair and of course “smoked”, the bright sun made the body produce melanin. Although I took Kazakhs, that is, white-skinned, green-eyed and red-haired, and not among the Mongols little red or taunting.

    PYSYA, the green-eyed platinum blonde himself, is a little reddish and Asian, although the mother of Mari is a father from Dulat, for some reason the author kept silent about Mogolistan. and mother Kazakhs, though from different births.
    1. +1
      23 June 2018 13: 42
      Quote: marshes
      It's funny that the discussion went about the appearance of the Mongols and the indigenous inhabitants of Central Asia. They are looking for redbeard and blue eyes.
      I met Tajik Tajiks with blue eyes and Karakalpaks, but they were black with tar hair and of course “smoked”, the bright sun made the body produce melanin. Although I took Kazakhs, that is, white-skinned, green-eyed and red-haired, and not among the Mongols little red or taunting.

      PYSYA, the green-eyed platinum blonde himself, is a little reddish and Asian, although the mother of Mari is a father from Dulat, for some reason the author kept silent about Mogolistan. and mother Kazakhs, though from different births.


      what's so funny? The origin of peoples, this is the main question of history. For example, the DNA of the Kirghiz contains a large percentage of p1a, then the question arises, where are the Kyrgyz and the Russians so crossed? Historians do not want to answer this, are not ready. So it’s quite appropriate to talk about who was what and who lived where.
      1. +1
        23 June 2018 13: 53
        Quote: Bar1
        .For example, the DNA of the Kirghiz contains a large percentage of p1a, then the question arises, where are the Kirghiz and Russians, have crossed so much?

        Well, I heard that, there is a reason for the Kyrgyz to remember it. Although smart people could leak from the Yenisei to Issyk-Kul
        Quote: Bar1
        So it’s quite appropriate to talk about who was what and who lived where.

        Well, in principle, I know up to the 7th knee where I came from and where my ancestors lived, here, on the maternal side, only up to the mumps, here's an ambush. It seems that they didn’t quote oral retelling, there’s not only 7 knees for the father’s book, and more, Yes, they somehow threw themselves off and released 500 pieces by self-publishing, pages blank at the end. By the way, my brother and I entered our children in it by hand.
      2. 0
        23 June 2018 13: 53
        Historians answered this question a long time ago - 55% of Kirghiz have ancestors of the Black Sea Aryans, who 3500 years ago passed through Central Asia by appointment to India.

        The rest of the Kyrgyz have ancestors of the Mongols, who came to this region 1500 years later.
        1. 0
          23 June 2018 13: 59
          Quote: Operator
          Historians answered this question a long time ago - 55% of Kirghiz have ancestors of the Black Sea Aryans, who 3500 years ago passed through Central Asia by appointment to India.

          So they are true Aryans laughing And what attracted them to the Yenisei?
          1. +1
            23 June 2018 14: 02
            According to the dominant haplogroup, the Kyrgyz belong to the Aryans, and according to the culture to the Mongols.

            Therefore, it pulls them to Asia laughing
            1. 0
              23 June 2018 14: 05
              Quote: Operator
              Therefore, it pulls them to Asia

              I didn’t say where they are mostly on earnings? laughing
              And Yekaterinburg is not formally calling the second capital. laughing
              1. 0
                23 June 2018 14: 19
                Exactly what is earned - a little bit back to Asia: the "cultural code", however laughing
                1. 0
                  23 June 2018 14: 29
                  Quote: Operator
                  Exactly what is earned - a little bit back to Asia: the "cultural code", however

                  But many remain, but you win, people with higher education who could not fit into the clan policy of the state.
                  By the way, in New Zealand, the Kirghiz appeared before the Kazakhs, if the Kazakhs "travel" then they always surprise the Maori with yurts and mutton dishes.
                  The Kyrgyz are now more nomads than we are Kazakhs. And they are absorbed more strongly by a foreign culture, even criminal, and quickly integrate into society. Still, a "heavy wallet" quickly turns a settler from a nomad. The easiest way to settle. From a hungry wolf, into a well-fed a dog.
            2. 0
              23 June 2018 14: 08
              Quote: Operator
              According to the dominant haplogroup, the Kyrgyz belong to the Aryans, and according to the culture to the Mongols.

              Therefore, it pulls them to Asia laughing


              and in appearance, to whom do they belong?
              1. 0
                23 June 2018 14: 20
                Damn, did you even see the Kyrgyz in kind? laughing
                1. 0
                  23 June 2018 14: 49
                  Quote: Operator
                  Damn, did you even see the Kyrgyz in kind? laughing

                  of course damn ...
                  1. +1
                    23 June 2018 15: 06
                    Quote: Bar1
                    of course damn ...

                    In Novosib, in the middle of the XNUMXs, I bought the forest at the base. The owner supposedly got your Kazakhs here, they hired a car, they almost stole a car. I at least looked at the mat, but you all looked the same, and These are clothes with your symbols.
                    On the "wallet" you need to look. laughing
        2. +1
          23 June 2018 14: 05
          р
          Quote: Operator
          Historians answered this question a long time ago - 55% of Kirghiz have ancestors of the Black Sea Aryans, who 3500 years ago passed through Central Asia by appointment to India.

          The rest of the Kyrgyz have ancestors of the Mongols, who came to this region 1500 years later.


          Well, is it worth believing in such scary numbers? Take what is closer, for example, the epic Manas, when the Kyrgyz left the Yenisei and decided to settle on Alatoo and Talas. So it was in the 15-16th century, what is the intersection with the Aryans who went north of Russia to India. The Aryans are definitely not to the Yenisei came in.
          1. 0
            23 June 2018 14: 23
            The Black Sea arias 3000 years ago reached the Pacific Ocean - in Manchuria (Northern China), their burials with war chariots were found.

            A quarter of Uighurs (East China) have ancestors of the Black Sea Aryans.
            1. 0
              23 June 2018 14: 50
              Quote: Operator
              The Black Sea arias 3000 years ago reached the Pacific Ocean - in Manchuria (Northern China), their burials with war chariots were found.

              A quarter of Uighurs (East China) have ancestors of the Black Sea Aryans.


              not, not 3 thousand years, 33 thousand years ...
            2. +1
              23 June 2018 15: 01
              Quote: Operator
              The Black Sea arias 3000 years ago reached the Pacific Ocean - in Manchuria (Northern China), their burials with war chariots were found.

              A quarter of Uighurs (East China) have ancestors of the Black Sea Aryans.


              Well, yes, if the Aryans walked around, then their genes should be finite everywhere. This is very scientific.
              1. 0
                23 June 2018 15: 23
                Offend - our blood relatives have a very limited distribution area: Europe (Central, Eastern, Scandinavia and the Balkans), Asia (Turkey, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Pashtunistan, India, Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of China and Manchuria) .

                Moreover, it is precisely the relatives that the Scandinavian descendants of the Aryans have one subclade of the common haplogroup R1a, the inhabitants of Central Europe - the other, the East Europeans and the Balkans - the third, the inhabitants of Asia - the fourth (the so-called Black Sea or South).

                Those. Based on the speed of mutations in 5000 DNA years ago, a single tribe of Aryans was divided into four tribes.
                1. 0
                  23 June 2018 16: 05
                  Quote: Operator
                  .e. based on the speed of mutations in DNA 5000 years ago, a single tribe of Aryans was divided into four tribes.


                  cool can you justify these cool mathematical calculations, or at least a link to these calculations? And then I can’t believe it, it’s necessary 5 thousand years!
                  1. 0
                    23 June 2018 16: 25
                    Too lazy to justify biochemistry: you can familiarize yourself with the source - Klesov's articles on the site pereformat.ru.
                    1. 0
                      23 June 2018 18: 39
                      Quote: Operator
                      Too lazy to justify biochemistry: you can familiarize yourself with the source - Klesov's articles on the site pereformat.ru.


                      I don’t believe him and I know that the chronology of our history is wrong. Well, whoever believes in thousands of years needs to reinforce his words, otherwise just a talker.
            3. +1
              23 June 2018 15: 07
              Quote: Operator
              A quarter of Uighurs (East China) have ancestors of the Black Sea Aryans.

              It is necessary to tell the Uighur neighbor about this, the same will be proud.
              1. 0
                23 June 2018 15: 30
                Before starting to be proud, let him do a DNA test on a haplogroup laughing
                1. +1
                  23 June 2018 15: 44
                  Quote: Operator
                  Before starting to be proud, let him do a DNA test on a haplogroup

                  What do you think he is a Chinese? The family moved in the 60s, under Khrushchev, from China. Although they mainly waited for the Kazakhs, they all fell sharply in one year plus went to war. So he must be pure Aryan, tall and white-skinned, though brown-haired and brown-eyed True, the Nazis did the same about brown eyes, they didn’t fall under the traditional “concepts” of Aryan. The institute of racial hygiene somehow got out of it.
                  1. 0
                    23 June 2018 16: 34
                    The Uighurs are one third of the descendants of the Northern Semites (J2, Central Asian), a quarter of the descendants of the Aryans (R1, European) and 15% of the descendants of the Mongols (C2, Central Asian).

                    The descendants of the Chinese (O), Huns (Q), Ugrofinns (N1c1) and other tribes make up several percent each.
                    1. 0
                      23 June 2018 16: 48
                      Quote: Operator
                      The Uighurs are one third of the descendants of the Northern Semites (J2, immigrants from Central Asia), a quarter of the descendants of the Aryans (R1a, immigrants from Europe) and 15% of the descendants of the Mongols (C2). The descendants of the Chinese (O), Hunnu ( Q), ugrofinns (N1c1) and other tribes in the Uyghurs make up several percent each.

                      On as well.
                      It’s understandable with the Semites, because the Arabs are the same Semites. Arias, the same is understandable no matter how with the Persians, Tajik Pamiris lived in the neighborhood.
                      But where did the Ugofins come from? Probably from the Mongol campaigns in Russia.
                      By the way, Uigurs and current Uzbeks are almost similar, moreover, the culture is almost the same.
                      For that it was funny how the subordinate Uyghurs were biting with the Uzbeks from Shymkent, I can’t understand the difference.
                      And I nevermind that the Turk as the Mongol and part of the Mari. laughing
                      1. 0
                        23 June 2018 17: 14
                        Semites are different: northern (J2 - Persians, native inhabitants of Anatolia and Central Asia, Chechens, Ingush, Azerbaijanis) and southern (J1 - Arabs, Ethiopians, Somalis, a quarter of Jews).

                        The homeland of the Ugro-Finns is the south of Yakutia (over 90% of the carriers N1c1), from there they went to Tuva, East Turkestan and further to Europe. The third largest nation (after Finland and Yakutia) with 40% of the descendants of the Ugro-Finns is the Volga Tatars.
                  2. +1
                    23 June 2018 21: 30
                    Quote: marshes
                    the Nazis did the same about brown eyes, there were shades of adolfism, because the same did not fall under the traditional "concepts" of Aryanism.

                    Adolf was blue eyed brunet - and at the same time an African wassat Haplogroup E1b - Einstein's "Countryman" laughing Napoleon, Celentano and Obama! Negroid eyes and skin sometimes brighten, but not hair!
                    1. 0
                      23 June 2018 21: 40
                      Quote: Weyland
                      Adolf was a blue-eyed brunette - and at the same time the bearer of the African haplogroup E1b - the "fellow countryman" of Einstein, Napoleon, Celentano and Obama! Negroid eyes and skin sometimes brighten, but not hair!

                      I did not know that he was blue-eyed, he represented otherwise.
                      1. +1
                        24 June 2018 11: 46
                        one of the German anti-fascists wrote about him: "with eyes the color of rotten meat"
          2. 0
            23 June 2018 21: 27
            Quote: Bar1
            So it was precisely in the 15-16th century, what is the intersection with the Aryans, who went north of Russia to India. The Aryans did not enter the Yenisei.

            yeah ... and recently celebrated 1000-anniversary Manas And the Aryans came in and east of the Yenisei - they reached China!
            1. 0
              23 June 2018 22: 08
              Quote: Weyland
              Quote: Bar1
              So it was precisely in the 15-16th century, what is the intersection with the Aryans, who went north of Russia to India. The Aryans did not enter the Yenisei.

              yeah ... and recently celebrated 1000-anniversary Manas And the Aryans came in and east of the Yenisei - they reached China!


              The first mention of the epic dates back to the XNUMXth century. They are contained in the semi-fantastic work of Majmu at-Tavarih, where Manas is shown as a historical person acting together with the really existing Tokhtamysh, Khorezmshah Muhammad, etc.


              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Манас

              what are 1000 years old? from the 14-15th century, and the first mention is 16th century.
        3. 0
          23 June 2018 21: 25
          Quote: Operator
          55% of Kirghiz have ancestors of the Black Sea Aryans, who 3500 years ago passed through Central Asia by appointment to India.

          only the Kyrgyz are descendants of the Altai Aryans (Dinlins) and they came to Central Asia from the Yenisei only 200 years before the Mongols!
          1. 0
            23 June 2018 22: 33
            All the Aryans are from Altai, but most passed through Europe - a subklad from the Kirghiz along the Black Sea.
    2. +1
      23 June 2018 21: 17
      Quote: marshes
      father from Dulat, for some reason the author was silent about Mogolistan.

      it would be interesting to read about Dulatov (muzzle, dulebov) in the context of the Great Bulgaria of Kubrat - which for some reason they prefer to keep silent about in Russian history textbooks!
      1. 0
        23 June 2018 21: 20
        Quote: Weyland
        it would be interesting to read about Dulatov (muzzle, dulebov) in the context of the Great Bulgaria of Kubrat - which for some reason they prefer to keep silent about in Russian history textbooks!

        I know that the Bashkirs have one clan, and they have our clan tamga.
        And so on the wiki, so they described that both our khan Asparuh and Atila. And FIG knows.
  10. 0
    23 June 2018 17: 26
    Operator,
    Quote: Operator
    Semites are different:

    Arabs often visited us, Kazakhs have the same genus Kozha, descendants of Arabs who came to Turkestan, who brought Islam to Turkestan, probably the same among the Uighurs. Yes, I think that the Adays and the Nogais have this gene, no matter how early they entered the Khazar Khaganate.


    Quote: Operator
    The homeland of the Ugro-Finns is the south of Yakutia (over 90% of N1c1 carriers), from there they went to Tuva, East Turkestan and further to Europe.

    And what about the current ugrofinists, tell me, their way is rather secretive. I can tell you that the gene for ugrofin came from the Cossacks, because in Zhetysu, Semirechye, up to 70% of the Cossacks were Cheremis, there are a lot of them in percentage condition in the 1910 recess at that time in Turkestan.
    1. +1
      23 June 2018 19: 57
      The Arab (South Semitic) haplogroup J1 is practically absent among the inhabitants of Central Asia and especially Kazakhstan (at the level of one or less percent).

      The indigenous inhabitants of Central Asia and Kazakhstan are other Semites, northern (J2). Just starting from 5000 BC this region turned into a passage yard - first it was conquered by Altai Celts, then by the Black Sea Arians, then by the Central Asian Huns, and finally, the Mongols themselves.

      As a result, on the territory of Kazakhstan and Central Asia a conglomerate of peoples of different origin was formed:
      Uzbeks - Indigenous Northern Semites dominate;
      Turkmens - alien Celts dominate;
      Kyrgyz and Tajiks - newcomers from the Aryans dominate;
      Kazakhs - the newly arrived Mongols dominate.
      1. 0
        25 June 2018 14: 18
        ..mongols were not newcomers, the past were Chinese - Mongoloids ...- part of the Chinese, who were renamed Mongols in 1920 ..
    2. +1
      23 June 2018 21: 19
      Quote: marshes
      Yes, and I think that the Adays with the Nogais have this gene, no matter how early they entered the Khazar Khaganate.

      The Adays are certainly of the Aryan root, the Dai / Dahi are mentioned both in the Avesta and in the Achaemenid sources - and already at that time were stationed in the Ustyurt region! But the Nogais are explicit Mongoloids!

      Quote: marshes
      I can convey that the gene of ugrofin came from the Cossacks, because in Zhetysu, Semirechye, Cossacks up to 70% were Cheremis

      yeah ... and the clan of Madjar (= Magyar) in Semirechye - also from the Cossacks? From ancient times they lived there! But what is surprising - 70% of the majar genus are carriers not of the “Finno-Finnish” haplogroup N, but of the “Scythian" G

      1. 0
        23 June 2018 21: 23
        Quote: Weyland
        The Adays are certainly of the Aryan root, the Dai / Dahi are mentioned both in the Avesta and in the Achaemenid sources - and already at that time were stationed in the Ustyurt region! But the Nogais are explicit Mongoloids!

        But these are very close two kinds, brothers can be said.
        1. 0
          24 June 2018 11: 49
          Quote: marshes
          But these are very close two kinds

          Well, I don’t know ... I saw Adays - the cut of eyes was exactly the same for Romanians (those Dai / Dahi who migrated to Romania were called "Dacians")
      2. 0
        23 June 2018 21: 38
        Quote: Weyland
        yeah ... and the clan of Madjar (= Magyar) in Semirechye - also from the Cossacks? From ancient times they lived there!

        There were no majars in Zhetes, they are close to the Argentinians, Argyn. This is the north of Kazakhstan.
        But the Cossacks almost reached Kashgar.
  11. +1
    23 June 2018 20: 54
    "In the territory of modern Kazakhstan near Ulug-tag mountain"
    Sorry, what language is it - in Tatar? In Kazakh, these mountains are called Ulytau!
  12. 0
    23 June 2018 20: 57
    “The human race is also not worth it, in order to have two leaders, it must be managed by only one, and that is ugly, like me,” Timur said about this.

    The meaning of the quote is clearly distorted! EMNIP, Timur said in solace to the captive Bayazid One-eyed: "Verily, Allah does not value this world highly if the power over it is disputed by one another lame and crooked!"
    1. VLR
      +1
      23 June 2018 21: 54
      Audio recordings, unfortunately, have not survived :)
      And different authors pass on the phrase with some variations. But the general meaning is always the same: Allah does not value power on Earth too much, once he gives it to people with astounding physical disabilities.
  13. +2
    23 June 2018 21: 01
    Tokhtamysh counted on the help of his vassal - Prince of Moscow Vasily Dmitrievich, but, fortunately for the Russian squads, they were late and returned home without loss.
    It was rather stupid to count on this 9 years after the burning of Moscow - and even from Vasily, who after that Tokhtamysh held hostage in the Horde for several years! Vily acted in accordance with Russian folk wisdom: "Do not rush, otherwise you’ll have time!"
  14. 0
    23 June 2018 21: 07
    If you believe the legend, Vitovtu managed to get out of the forest with the help of the ancestor of the mother of Ivan IV, a certain Cossack Mamai, who was granted the princely title and the tract of clay for this service.
    If you believe the legend, this Cossack Mamai is not "certain", but the son of that same Mamai Mansur (Alexander was baptized), after the death of his father, who fled to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (which, recall, was a long-standing ally of Mamai). So for the Great Russians, Mamai is a fierce enemy, but in the Ukrainian epos, the Cossack Mamai is so popular!
    1. VLR
      +1
      23 June 2018 21: 48
      About Mamay-Mansur-Alexandra: I did not dare to insist on this version. If it is true - what an irony of history: the descendants of the broken Russian temnik Mamai still found themselves on the Russian throne.
  15. 0
    23 June 2018 21: 45
    two rains in May and Russia is invincible.

    and Timur - weight and dr fodder in the bag and went to cut the sedentary.
    the genius of a warrior is one, and droughts and tall grass are dr.
    HIGHLIGHTS - NO ONE IS LOOKING AT YIELD, PRODUCTION OF CRAFTS AND LABOR PRODUCTIVITY IN DIFFERENT REGIONS OF ASIA.
    the genius of Timur grew out of the mentioned captive artisans.
    Apparently Timur was able to use the contradictions in politics (both productivity and the production of artisans) of all against all in their interests ..
    you can collect epics, but there will be no analysis of causes and effects, apparently.
  16. VLR
    0
    23 June 2018 22: 31
    Quote: antivirus
    and Timur - weight and dr fodder in the bag and went to cut the sedentary.

    Timur fought a professional army recruited from the very "sedentary". And "poured" nomads whom he sincerely hated.
  17. 0
    23 June 2018 22: 31
    Quote: Weyland
    bearer of the African haplogroup E1b

    The carriers of E1b are also Albanians, Greeks, Macedonians and Bulgarians, in the past were Thracians and Dacians. Without determining the subclade of this haplogroup (for example, the DNA of a nephew), it is still impossible to talk about Hitler's membership in the Jews.
    1. 0
      24 June 2018 12: 05
      Quote: Operator
      It’s impossible to talk about Hitler’s Jews.

      but the Jews are clearly not to blame! She came to the Jews during the “Egyptian captivity” (they have a matrilineal system), and in Bavaria up to 8% of its carriers are the result of African expansion around the 16th century BC almost a third through the Greeks, Albanians, and Zapadentsians through Greece to the north; from Bulgarians, Romanians, and Italians — 20–25 percent, and 3-4 percent among Russians.
      1. 0
        24 June 2018 12: 25
        Jews are mestizos squared (so to speak) - they do not have a dominant haplogroup: for a quarter they consist of carriers of the basic South Semitic J2, for a quarter - from the North Semitic J1, for a quarter - from the Hamite E1 and a quarter from the Celtic R1b arias.

        The reason is simple - before the migration to Egypt, the Jewish tribe was called the Habir and was nomadic, practicing paganism on the model of other West Semitic tribes, which included a cult of ritual intercourse with men of other tribes.

        And the Hamites spread along the coast and islands of the Mediterranean and Black Seas (namely along the coast) as far back as 9000 years ago, i.e. after the Illyrians and Aryans they are the third inhabitants of Europe. Almost all the Khamites of the Black Sea coast died in the Great Flood 6600 years ago during the breakthrough of a rocky bridge in the Bosporus and Dardanelles, when sea level once rose by 150 meters.

        Hamites of the Balkan Peninsula and the islands of Middle-earth were not affected. But naturally, they differ in their subclades from the Hamites of the Middle East and North Africa.
        1. 0
          24 June 2018 14: 26
          Quote: Operator
          before the migration to Egypt, the Jewish tribe was called a habir

          Is not a fact. There is a version that a habiru is not a tribe at all, but a hodgepodge of various outcasts — such as our Cossacks, brodniks, berladniks or Mongolian “people of long will”.
          1. 0
            24 June 2018 15: 04
            Exactly so: before the migration to Egypt, the habiru were a nomadic hodgepodge of diverse tribes, in Egypt, local authorities taught the habir "to love their homeland" - they attached it to the earth and reformatted it from pagans to monotheists (not all), since during the habir's stay in Egypt the pharaoh Ehtaton ruled .
            1. 0
              24 June 2018 21: 52
              Quote: Operator
              during Habir’s stay in Egypt, Pharaoh Ehtaton ruled.

              I even read the version that Akhenaten and Moses are one person! laughing
              1. 0
                24 June 2018 22: 33
                According to the Torah, Moses was an adviser to the pharaoh Ehtaton.
                1. 0
                  25 June 2018 11: 37
                  Quote: Operator
                  According to the Torah, Moses was an adviser to the pharaoh Ehtaton.
                  Reply

                  In the Torah, the name of the pharaoh is not mentioned, but there is a 99% chance that it was Ramses II (Great). But when Moses returned from the desert after 40 years, he was already dealing with Merneptah (the date of the Exodus, with a probability of 99% - 1208 BC)
                  1. 0
                    25 June 2018 23: 31
                    This is the trick that the drafters of the Torah did not specifically mention the name of the pharaoh who ruled while the Jews were in Egypt, otherwise they would have signed the Egyptian origin of their monotheism.
        2. 0
          24 June 2018 14: 51
          Quote: Operator
          Almost all the Khamites of the Black Sea coast died in the Great Flood 6600 years ago during the breakthrough of a rocky bridge in the Bosphorus and Dardanelles, when sea level once rose by 150 meters.

          The Great Flood, most likely, was the result of a breakthrough of glacial lakes (in the cartoon "Ice Age-2" everything was shown correctly - they clearly consulted with specialists). But only vague recollections remained of him, while the Black Sea Flood (the so-called Dardanov) was most likely not 6600, but only 5200-5300 years ago: the production of copper in present-day Bulgaria almost drops to zero at the same time (and it was solid even according to our measures) - and the civilizations of Egypt, Sumer and Harappa come out of nowhere, and gods who came from the north, who are called sang-ngiga (black-headed) by the local population, are engaged in irrigation in Sumer these gods themselves are clearly NOT brunette! By the way, the dating of the Biblical Flood is EMNIP, 3248 BC The breakthrough was, apparently, in the Dardanelles, and the Bosphorus existed even earlier - judging by the fauna of the Marmara and Black Seas. Plato in one place describes Atlantis as an island of 530 * 350 km (which fights well with the size of the northern shelf of the Black Sea and the Sea of ​​Azov), and in another - as 20 * 20 km. By my versions, the capital of Atlantis (island 20 * 20) was in the Sea of ​​Marmara in the region of Besbik Island (where Ocalan is currently dragging out), and it was flooded "in one day and one night" - this time was enough to fill the tiny Sea of ​​Mora But the vast agricultural region on the northern shelf sank for six months (it rained for 40 days, after which (!) the water rose another 150 days). Moreover, part of the 530 * 350 region falls on the Crimea - it did not sink, but it was probably abandoned by the inhabitants - because of the decay of all the dead freshwater organics, the Black Sea became hydrogen sulfide, and the air in the entire Black Sea region is certain several centuries was poisonous - until the surface layers (now only 150 m) were cleaned of hydrogen sulfide. So if Crimea is the non-sunken part of Atlantis, then archaeologists there still dig and dig!
          1. 0
            24 June 2018 15: 21
            I don’t have the exact dating of the Great Flood in the Black Sea, but it clearly exists according to the results of radiocarbon testing of the remains of Hamite dwellings in the coastal strip at a depth of 150 meters.
            Just like this: a rocky bridge in the Dardanelles broke through and rock fragments dragged along the bottom of the Sea of ​​Marmara to the Bosphorus - at the bottom of this sea deep parallel grooves were found in the indicated direction.
            European and Middle Eastern Hamites (Phoenicians) had a habit of settling in a narrow strip along the sea, so they were thoroughly washed away.

            I don’t know about Atlantis - European Hamites, Northern Semites, Caucasians and Aryans then and many millennia later didn’t have a written language, therefore general information about the flood was preserved in oral traditions, but details about Atlantis are unlikely.

            Sang-ngiga (blackheads) is, according to Klesov’s hypothesis, Erbins, who at that time migrated from the Caucasus to the Middle East. It is believed that they did not teach the local northern Semites of irrigation (it was previously known in the Tigris and Euphrates basins), but formed the state formation of Sumer from the local tribes.
            After that, the Erbins did the same trick in the Nile basin - they drove the local rude tribes to the state of Egypt: according to genetic testing, the first pharaohs of the Early Kingdom were carriers of R1b.
            Erbins were an advanced ethnic group at that time - they were the first in the world to domesticate bulls and cows (even in the steppes of Eurasia), in addition, they were distinguished by extreme decisiveness and rigidity to the enemy - see the era of broken skulls in Western Europe
          2. 0
            24 June 2018 21: 32
            / Without jokes /. The nature "hawks" organic matter almost instantly. I do not agree with you regarding centuries of air poisonousness ..... I once saw the effects of a severe storm. On the shore - really, millions of cubes of kelp + different dead wood, I thought about 2 months / it would spin / stink in my brain .... The next morning - Yours is finally empty ...
            1. 0
              25 June 2018 11: 42
              Quote: tank66
              On the shore - really, millions of cubes of kelp + different dead wood,

              So then on the shore, and if the full sea of ​​dohlyatiny?
              Quote: tank66
              "hawks" organic matter almost instantly
              oxygen - and where it does not exist, organics last millions of years (for example, a layer of sand-a layer of clay: half the carbonized logs in clay, and at the border with sand - cut off like a knife, empty: there is enough oxygen dissolved in the waters penetrating from the surface to for any 100 years to "burn" a log!)
  18. 0
    24 June 2018 05: 37
    Quote: Operator
    All the Aryans are from Altai, but most passed through Europe - a subklad from the Kirghiz along the Black Sea.

    ... Altai princess - it turned out to be a Slav ... Altai people immediately voted -to dig again ...- different cataclysms began .. Each sandpiper praises its swamp ... Everyone wants to be Great ...
    1. 0
      24 June 2018 11: 50
      Burials in Altai belong to the middle of the Iron Age (the first millennium BC) - Pazyryk culture. Due to the close location of the permafrost layer, mummified bodies retain skin with tattoos, hair, and facial features. Clothing, wood and metal items, corpses of horses, saddles, stirrups, weapons are also well preserved.

      The graves of the predominantly nobles have survived - in jewelry, shirts made of Chinese silk, a variety of felted goods, fur coats, complex hairstyles, etc.

      Genetic studies have shown that most of the buried belong to the Aryans (R1a), but there is also a small proportion of Samoyeds (Samoyedians in the new terminology, N2).

      This culture was destroyed by the Huns who came from Central Asia in the 2 century BC.


      Excavations have been carried out by domestic archaeologists near the border with China since 1929. Excavations were helped by the work of the USSR engineering troops on the arrangement of fortified areas. The mummy of the so-called an Altai princess (a noble woman of 25 years who died of breast cancer) was found in 1993 year. Currently, all finds, including mummies, are federal property. Some of them are temporarily exhibited in the museum of the capital of the Republic of Altai, Gorno-Altaysk.

      The opinion of the local Turkic-speaking inhabitants - the descendants of the Huns about the reverse burial of the mummy can be easily shoved where they should be, since we are talking about the Saks (dinlins according to Chinese historiography) - the descendants of the Aryans.
      1. 0
        25 June 2018 11: 45
        Quote: Operator
        The opinion of the local Turkic-speaking inhabitants - descendants of the Huns on the reverse burial of the mummy can be safely shoved where they should be, since we are talking about Saks

        Among northern Altaians of R1a carriers almost half - they simply switched to the language of the conquerors. By the way, I personally met Shors with exactly the same type of appearance as the “Ukok princess”!
        1. 0
          25 June 2018 23: 38
          The Türkic-speaking R1a carriers, assimilated by the Huns, do not have the right to vote on the cultural heritage of the Sanskrit-speaking Saks opposing the Huns.
          1. +1
            28 June 2018 13: 26
            They have, because they are, Sanskrit-speaking Saks, direct descendants. living in the same places and after thousands of years. And in what language they now speak, does not play a role. But the Slavs to the ancient Aryan population of Altai are really no sideways, although of course they are trying very hard to cling to themselves.
      2. 0
        25 June 2018 14: 25
        ..the Huns themselves which group have, however R1A ..
  19. 0
    24 June 2018 05: 44
    Quote: VlR
    About Mamay-Mansur-Alexandra: I did not dare to insist on this version. If it is true - what an irony of history: the descendants of the broken Russian temnik Mamai still found themselves on the Russian throne.

    ... Duc Mamai = Velyaminov himself from the Rurikovich clan ... -this was a showdown between relatives - nephew (Donskoy) and uncle (Velyaminov) .. - Putin said that the right of succession was poorly spelled out, that's all ..
  20. 0
    24 June 2018 10: 48
    Quote: VlR
    BAI: Glad you paid attention to this injustice. It was Timur who defeated the Golden Horde, after his victories the Golden Horde had not recovered and ceased to be a great state. For some reason, we were embarrassed to admit this, probably, so that the identity of Timur and his “gift” to Moscow did not obscure the merits of the Moscow princes, who were loyal historians declared savers not only of Russia, but of all of Europe. Moreover, in our textbooks and even monographs, the Battle of Vorksle is described in tragic tones - they say that the hero princes Paul Kulikov and even Bobrok-Volynsky himself died. But the warriors of Timur again fought for Moscow and Russia - against its main western rival - Lithuania (the Lithuanian-Russian principality) and against Tokhtamysh who plundered Moscow! Terrifying historical injustice and monstrous ingratitude. Timur in Moscow has long been a monument to put. How many Russian lives he saved defeated Tokhtamysh and Vitovt. And for a couple of decades, both the eastern and western attacks on Russia seriously weakened.

    ... I repeat again - Khan Tokhtamysh = Dmitry Donskoy ..
    1. 0
      25 June 2018 11: 46
      Quote: ver_
      I repeat again - Khan Tokhtamysh = Dmitry Donskoy ..

      and he burned Moscow because of the suckers of his shuryev? wassat
      1. 0
        25 June 2018 13: 50
        ..polikov expelled ...
  21. +1
    24 June 2018 12: 59
    Everything about gallop groups here.
    But they didn’t take into account the natural mutation, for example, radiation, natural features, for example, practically all of Central Asia, phonite influenced halogen groups, although it may not have any effect.

    For example, Kazakhs went with 4 positive and negative blood. In China they call panda blood, so our students studying there have at least a lot of extra money.
    And to take uranium, Kazakhstan is in first place in production. Everything is done by leaching, a well is drilled from 3 !!! - 40 meters and the solution is poured in the form of sulfuric acid. A natural radioactive product is practically underfoot. Here, there may be mutations. The whole village hibernated, possibly from radon, of course, uranium was once mined nearby.
    1. 0
      25 June 2018 11: 53
      Quote: marshes
      Everything is done by leaching, drilling a well from 3 !!! - 40 meters and driving the solution in the form of sulfuric acid

      Where are these depths? I’ve been working at Kazatomprom for 7 years and I know all these fields far and wide! On Semizbay, 100-120m, and in the South Kazakhstan region and Kzyl-Orda region - 500-800! That uranium is deep, so it’s practically not fonit, but in the apatites and phosphorites of Karatau and the Caspian shelf, as well as in the brown coal of Kolzhat, there is really much more uranium and small depths! Again, in the old days phosphorites were not needed by anyone. But the Kolzhat coal could well be used to heat the stove!
      1. 0
        25 June 2018 13: 53
        ... salt was mined from 100 meters easily = a book somehow caught my eye ...
  22. +2
    24 June 2018 14: 33
    In, damn it, I'm looking at some genetics gathered))). And who can explain to me that 80% of the representatives of the largest Cossack family of Argyn wear the "Sumerian" haplogroup G1? Or are they not Cossacks anymore?
    1. +1
      24 June 2018 14: 43
      Quote: redcod
      In, damn it, I'm looking at some genetics gathered))). And who can explain to me that 80% of the representatives of the largest Cossack family of Argyn wear the "Sumerian" haplogroup G1? Or are they not Cossacks anymore?

      Argentinean?
      I remember that the first Chuvash began to click themselves as Sumerians, then the topic went to the account of the North American natives, they say that they are close to the Turkam from a part of Navajo, but I also read somewhere the studies of linguists from Tatarstan and Bashkorostan. laughing

      All of us gave birth to a white she-wolf-Ashina.
      1. +1
        24 June 2018 14: 50
        And that is true))). Inshala.
      2. 0
        25 June 2018 11: 58
        Quote: marshes
        I remember that the first Chuvash began to click themselves with Sumerians,

        You are mistaken: The country of Subartu / Shubartu / Shubria, where the first Suvars / Chuvash came from, was located much north of Sumer, in present-day Turkish Armenia and Iranian Azerbaijan (although data from Sumerian sources are in the same antiquity). The famous Kura-Arak culture is just them. And the Navajo, Apache and Tlingit are really from the last wave of migration, carriers of the “Mongolian” haplogroup C (almost all the other Indians are carriers of the “Altai” Q, which was divided from the “European” R1 around the last Interglacial)
        1. 0
          25 June 2018 14: 34
          ..Turks - feral Russians ..- Prince of Tver Moses led the army out of Russia in the 15th century (split of religion) through the Volga before the ice drift, founded Kazan and went to Constantinople, founded the Ataman empire (later the Ottoman Empire) and began to cut letters * to cut * - Islam was born ..
    2. +1
      24 June 2018 15: 35
      G is the Caucasian haplogroup (80% among Abkhazians), the native language is Abkhazian.

      At the same time, individual tribes of carriers of G reached the Alps, the British Isles, and the Pamirs. Along the migration path, certain Caucasians clans became part of other tribes and peoples (such as the Argyns of the Kazakhs).
    3. 0
      24 June 2018 19: 03
      Quote: redcod
      In, damn it, I'm looking at some genetics gathered))). And who can explain to me that 80% of the representatives of the largest Cossack family of Argyn wear the "Sumerian" haplogroup G1? Or are they not Cossacks anymore?

      it’s easy, all this genetics is most likely just a quackery-a swindle, in order to integrate the genomes of peoples into traditional history. ANY MAN has no way to check the correctness of determining the human genome, what genetics are doing now, we just don’t know if these “scientists” are right do their analyzes.
      For example, RU radiocarbon analysis of organics is a very inaccurate method and, in order to increase accuracy, calibrations are made according to dendrochronological curves, but it has already been noticed that these calibrations are selected very strange and tendentious, in short we are simply fooled frankly.
    4. 0
      25 June 2018 13: 55
      Cossack - equestrian warrior ...- this is not a nation ..
      1. 0
        26 June 2018 08: 33
        To get! There is a whole state. It is called that - Kazakhstan! And his people are called "қазақ".
  23. +2
    24 June 2018 22: 04
    Not to argue, but to say that he dug up himself. / The theme is close /.
    Cossack - still has a shade in the Turkic "outcast - nakosyachil-went on free bread." The Cossacks themselves self-called -
    kazara - a flock of geese - flew in, yelled - quickly washed off
    brodniks - nifiga didn’t wander, but- Brody kept, crossings. Like in the 90s - "this is our road,
    bro everybody pay "
    And this is Kalash, in Pakistan, the carriers of the haplogroup / 20% / K1a - kakbe 40 years ago. What am I talking about. what
    1. 0
      24 June 2018 22: 51
      Kalashi - six thousand people in the highlands of Pakistan. The Kalash haplotype includes 20% of the Dravidian L, 18% of the Aryan R1a of the Black Sea subclade, 18% of the Caucasian G and 9% of the North Semitic J2. Nevertheless, the phenotype (appearance) of Kalash Aryan, which is a mystery of DNA. The opposite case is the Kyrgyz, 55% of the carriers of the Aryan R1a and 20% of the Mongolian C2, the Mongolian phenotype.

      400000 years - this is you bent, at that time in the Black Sea there were not only Aryans, but generally a person of the genus Homo sapiens of a modern anatomical type. It is believed that the first person of this type was born 65000 years ago in the region of Southeast Asia (presumably the Kuvshin Valley in Laos). He was a carrier of the ancestral haplogroup BT, from which all other haplogroups (except for African A) originated. The first carrier of haplogroup R was born 34000 years ago in central China, the first carrier R1 was 30000 years ago in northern China, the first carrier R1 was 24000 years ago in Altai.
      1. 0
        25 June 2018 13: 59
        ..Klesov says that the very first was R1A ..
  24. 0
    24 June 2018 23: 50
    Quote: VlR
    BAI: Glad you paid attention to this injustice. It was Timur who defeated the Golden Horde, after his victories the Golden Horde had not recovered and ceased to be a great state. For some reason, we were embarrassed to admit this, probably, so that the identity of Timur and his “gift” to Moscow did not obscure the merits of the Moscow princes, who were loyal historians declared savers not only of Russia, but of all of Europe. Moreover, in our textbooks and even monographs, the Battle of Vorksle is described in tragic tones - they say that the hero princes Paul Kulikov and even Bobrok-Volynsky himself died. But the warriors of Timur again fought for Moscow and Russia - against its main western rival - Lithuania (the Lithuanian-Russian principality) and against Tokhtamysh who plundered Moscow! Terrifying historical injustice and monstrous ingratitude. Timur in Moscow has long been a monument to put. How many Russian lives he saved defeated Tokhtamysh and Vitovt. And for a couple of decades, both the eastern and western attacks on Russia seriously weakened.

    ... famously you succeeded * .. how much did he save the Russian lives by defeating Tokhtamysh (Dmitry Donskoy) and Vitoft ... Were not an hour from the big Beardin? ..
  25. 0
    25 June 2018 10: 34
    Quote: VlR
    BAI: Glad you paid attention to this injustice. It was Timur who defeated the Golden Horde, after his victories the Golden Horde had not recovered and ceased to be a great state. For some reason, we were embarrassed to admit this, probably, so that the identity of Timur and his “gift” to Moscow did not obscure the merits of the Moscow princes, who were loyal historians declared savers not only of Russia, but of all of Europe. Moreover, in our textbooks and even monographs, the Battle of Vorksle is described in tragic tones - they say that the hero princes Paul Kulikov and even Bobrok-Volynsky himself died. But the warriors of Timur again fought for Moscow and Russia - against its main western rival - Lithuania (the Lithuanian-Russian principality) and against Tokhtamysh who plundered Moscow! Terrifying historical injustice and monstrous ingratitude. Timur in Moscow has long been a monument to put. How many Russian lives he saved defeated Tokhtamysh and Vitovt. And for a couple of decades, both the eastern and western attacks on Russia seriously weakened.

    ..when Timur defeated Dmitry Donskoy? ... He founded Constantinople Donskoy .. In addition, there were Khan’s relatives at Timur’s headquarters ..
  26. 0
    27 June 2018 06: 11
    ..Timur and Manuil Komnin lived at different times .. Manuil Komnin transferred the throne to Alexei Komnin .. until 1180 .., and Timur and Dmitry Donskoy lived at the same time - at the end of the 13th century ..
  27. VLR
    0
    28 June 2018 10: 30
    In conclusion, I would like to quote another recently found quote from the book:
    Jean Paul Roux Tamerlane M., 2004 G.:
    "Instead of an empire, Tamerlane built a beautiful, peaceful (meaning peace between the nations living in a state), a prosperous, authoritative, well-managed and relatively monolithic state; at least as it could then be, having Turks and Iranians as its population."

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"