In the Gulf of Finland discovered the legendary "Novik"

Members of the international Finnish-Russian expedition found a warship at the bottom of the Gulf of Finland, which was identified as a Novik destroyer, reports RIA News.

Launched in 1913, the Novik was the fastest ship in the world. He became a member of almost all the hostilities in the Baltic during the First World War.

The search operation is carried out in the framework of the joint project of the Finnish team SubZone and the Russian expedition "Bow to the ships of the Great Victory". The place of death of the destroyer was discovered near Cape Jumind. The ship is located at a depth of 75 meters. His body is broken into two parts - the result of a mine explosion. At the stern is the image of the coat of arms of the USSR, as well as the name of the ship at the time of death - "Jacob Sverdlov".

The place of the ship’s death was determined by the Russian historian Mikhail Ivanov from the archival materials of the German command.

The destroyer identification was carried out on June 16 from the board of the research vessel Yoldia.

Novik (Yakov Sverdlov) died on August 28 1941 of the year during the Tallinn crossing. He was accompanied by the cruiser "Kirov". The cause of death is an explosion on the mine of the German-Finnish mine barrier “Juminda”.

More information about the fate of the ship can be found in materialpreviously published by the Military Review.

Comments

[siberalt]

In vain renamed. Jews, those more specialists on sandy deserts.

[bouncyhunter]

Found it is good. Now they will raise, or how?

[san4es]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Found it is good.

Put into operation in 1913, the Novik was the fastest ship in the world.

[bouncyhunter]

Sanya Thank you for the video ! But the fate of Novik is interesting ...

[san4es]

Quote: bouncyhunter

the fate of Novik is interesting ...

... Not yet decided:

The destroyer lies at a depth of 75 meters.

“We found the name“ Yakov Sverdlov ”and the emblem of the Soviet Union on the stern, examined three 102-millimeter main-caliber guns located on the aft deck, as well as a stern superstructure typical of Novik with a spare helm and a machine telegraph, the search engines report. - Also considered a fault. He showed that the legendary ship was almost torn into two by a mine explosion in the area of ​​the second chimney.
Ahead - a few more dives to explore the ship more carefully.
https://www.spb.kp.ru/daily/26843.5/3884443/

[AlexanderVP]

Quote: san4es

Put into operation in 1913, the Novik was the fastest ship in the world.

Well so. The "engine" is German :)

[PROXOR]

Novik is broken in half. There, even lifting up, nothing can be done with it.

[Faceless]

Of course, I would like it to be raised and the museum made of a legendary ship ... But I’m afraid that it will be cheaper to build a new one, exactly the same ...

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Faceless

Of course, I would like it to be raised and the museum made of a legendary ship ... But I’m afraid that it will be cheaper to build a new one, exactly the same ...

so you can install two halves on the sides, let it be torn apart - as a memory and it will be beautiful anyway, so that you can see what can happen to the ship!

[Faceless]

It’s possible, no one will do it, because if you raise it, then make a museum, and if the museum (in any form, at least as a monument), then you need to prepare the exhibit so as to prevent further destruction.

[Moore]

Quote: siberalt

Jews, those are more specialists on sandy deserts

This one was a specialist in exams than in deserts ...

[cost]

In vain renamed. Jews, those more specialists on sandy deserts.

Only in the USSR Navy there were more than twenty Jewish admirals. Another thing is that they renamed it in vain - the legendary ship should not bear the name of a felon

[Moore]

He was accompanied by the cruiser Kirov.

Quite the opposite. The destroyer was guarded by a cruiser.

[Masya masya]

Black blizzard of Tsushima swirls
The war swept through, and here
In the cold waves, in the darkness of the deeps
Killed our Russian fleet ...
Friendly people raised funds -
Half, hundreds, rubles ...
Plowman, warrior, sailor, admiral -
All have contributed their share!
A lot of work was invested,
The fleet has grown in all its glory
There is a destroyer in him that I have not seen
Nobody anywhere else:
In a predatory building - the roar of turbines,
Tremors of oil blood.
They knew everything in the fleet as one,
How terrible is the enemy of Novi'k!
Nobody dared to fight with him,
Pray, if life is dear '!
The right means - speed and salvo,
Murderous for the enemy!
He had a clear course in life,
Although the name has changed and the flag,
The fighting soul sang in it
The same as it was!
Dispose of in disrepair? No matter how! -
He died, as he lived in battle ...
Following bright in sailor hearts
Leaving your fate!
Sergey Mikhailovich Maslov

[BAI]

Novik (Yakov Sverdlov) died on August 28 1941 of the year during the Tallinn crossing. He was accompanied by the cruiser "Kirov". The cause of death is an explosion on the mine of the German-Finnish mine barrier “Juminda”.

Veterans of the cruiser Kirov, who defended Leningrad for 900 days of the blockade, wrote to the editorial office of Izvestia. As it turned out, during the famous Tallinn crossing of 1941, the cruiser could have died if it had not been for the feat of the sailors of the destroyer Yakov Sverdlov, the famous Novik, renamed after the revolution. If the “Novik” did not substitute the side for the torpedo, the cruiser would most likely not have reached Kronstadt.
Actually, is it a matter of a mine or a torpedo?
In the book "Ships - Heroes" the version is stated that the destroyer covered the cruiser from the torpedo.
And then the destroyer commander then wrote in the report:

At the same time, the commander of the signalmen department reported: "The left is a torpedo track." Having discovered a torpedo’s trace in 2-3 cable tracks, I realized that I can’t do anything else but sacrifice the destroyer. In addition, even if I wanted to avoid it, I could not do anything in this situation; I knew this as the former head of the torpedo fire department. Realizing all this, I sat down in a chair and began to wait for the explosion.

report of the captain of the first rank Spiridonov, filed by the Navy addict Admiral Kuznetsov a year after the events

[KVU-NSVD]

A ship worthy of raising and, if possible, restoration to the level of a museum ...

[Terenin]

If desired, you can. The organizer should be the Office of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to perpetuate the memory of those killed in the defense of the Fatherland. This is purely their line of business. Get out through the government to the "moneybags", complete the project for the lifting and delivery of "Novik", well, etc. Not all of them merit to appropriate the results of the work and the work of the search squads.

[Guru]

The blessed memory of the fallen. According to maritime law, this is considered a military burial.

[Catfish]

Quote: san4es

Quote: bouncyhunter

Found it is good.

Put into operation in 1913, the Novik was the fastest ship in the world.

In the top picture is not Novik, but one of our 2nd rank cruisers. Regarding the battle with two Germans. These were not the newest destroyers, and in artillery terms they were both inferior to ours. At the time of the battle, they carried two cannons of 88 mm caliber, and the Novik carried four 105 mm caliber guns. The commander of the "Novika" Berens competently took advantage of his advantage in artillery, speed and knowledge of the mine situation in this theater. The Germans inflicted artillery fire damage and drove them into a minefield, which they (Germans) had no idea about. Competent fight and well-deserved victory. According to some reports com. after the revolution, the destroyer Behrens left for Germany where he joined the National Socialists. And to call the Russian destroyer by the name of a Jew Sverdlov is what kind of perverted brains you need to have.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Sea Cat

According to some reports com. after the revolution, the destroyer Behrens left for Germany where he joined the National Socialists.

First, Mikhail Behrens fought in the Civil War for the whites, having risen right up to the head of the 2nd (Azov) detachment of the ships of the Black Sea Fleet.
It is noteworthy that his brother, Eugene Berens, at the same time fought for the Reds, rising to the rank of commander of the Naval Forces of the Republic.

[Rurikovich]

Um ...

Quote: Sea Cat

In the top picture is not Novik, but one of our 2nd rank cruisers.

That's it, that this cruiser of the 2nd rank is the Novik! Only the destroyer of 1913 inherited the name of the illustrious cruiser from the time of RJV. So everything is fine here

Quote: Sea Cat

At the time of the battle, they carried two cannons of 88 mm caliber, and the Novik carried four 105 mm caliber guns.

B-97 type destroyers, built in the amount of 8 units, which included the V-99 and V-100, were built at the initiative of the German companies Blom und Voss and Vulkan, which had a backlog based on the materials of the Russian pre-war order of type destroyers " Novick. " Therefore, they were almost identical in size to the Russian ship (1300t., 98m x 9m. X 3,5m., 36 knots) and carried decent armament consisting of 4 - 88 / 45mm guns and 2x2TA., And not like 2-88mm. After Jutland, all survivors were rearmed by 4 - 105mm. But Novik himself, who was a destroyer, carried 102mm guns
Do not mislead the people!

[nivander]

maybe “Veronia” will be found by “Karl Liebknecht” and “Brivibas.” Near Cape Yuminda the iron bottom of the dead Soviet ships

[Gepirion]

Again spit in the USSR. They did not find Novik, but Yakov Sverdlov because he died as Yakov Sverdlov.

Novik (Yakov Sverdlov)

Maybe vice versa should be "Novik"?

[Galleon]

From old political workers or propagandists? You don’t have to go to sailors and history buffs - they know the names better. How easy it is to spit in “your USSR” - to pronounce the name of a hero ship dear to the heart of every sailor. Only in my Soviet Union the name "Novik" was pronounced as a glorious name and without spitting somewhere. It will remain so.

[Cannonball]

They are unlikely to be lifted, it will simply fall to pieces. They will announce the place of destruction of the destroyer by a naval military burial with all the consequences.

[Weyland]

"There was a time - I walked 38 knots ..."
“Novik” in real life pulled out only 37,3 - but the song was clearly about him, the other destroyers didn’t stand close!

[Galleon]

At the speed indicators of the new "Stormy" he himself saw 36,8 knots. Also did not reach the “Novik”.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Weyland

“Novik” in real life pulled out only 37,3 - but the song was clearly about him, the other destroyers didn’t stand close!

Of the old people of the First World War - yes. And the new Soviet leaders ran for 40.

On official acceptance tests (that is, state) tests on November 5, 1936, Leningrad with a displacement of 2225 tons and a power of 67 hp on the Gogland – Rhodesher measuring line (250 miles long) with a depth of 9,65–55 m and a sea swell of 67-1 points, to the general joy of the factory engineers, workers and crew, it reached a record speed for those times - 2 knots, which was 43 knots higher specification. With further boosting the boilers, the power of the power plant could increase by another 3-4 thousand hp.

In July 1940, the leader of Tbilisi, with a relatively higher percentage of readiness, began factory sea trials in Peter the Great Bay. In September of the same year, he passed official acceptance tests, at which he developed a full speed of 40,5 knots and a maximum of 41,8 knots.

[Weyland]

Quote: Alexey RA

Of the old people of the First World War - yes. And the new Soviet leaders ran for 40.

So the song clearly speaks about PMV:
"Like heroes. Met my sailors
PetrogradLiepaja and Revel"
Petrograd is the name of the period 1914-24. Revel became Tallinn in 1919m. But with Rosenbaum, Liepaja had a puncture: before the VOR she was called Libava

[Romka47]

I remember how, as a child, reading aloud in the novel "Moonzund", it seemed to me that there was no cooler "Novik", but then it wasn’t !! Glory to the search engines! Eternal memory to Russian Sailors !!!!

[midshipman]

At the school (1953-1957), we studied its characteristics. Surprisingly, he developed speeds of up to 40 knots. Here's what the turbines could realize. At 19, I was already a lieutenant, commander of the BS-5 patrol ship.

[dgonni]

The author is not friends with the head. I understood this after this phrase (He was accompanied by the cruiser "Kirov".) As if hinting at the great value of the old destroyer in comparison with the newest cruiser :). Well, what did they find on the deutsche archives? I have stupidly no words. Of course, ships and ships with people sank unreasonably. But again, thanks to the wise command of the fleet. One of the most stupid and stupid operations of the Soviet Navy. By the way! Why is there no medal for the defense of Tallinn? There the defense was also kept not sour for a long time! There is Odessa, but no Tallinn!

[Curious]

"The identification of the destroyer was carried out on June 16 from the board of the research vessel Yoldia."
From the board of the research vessel Yoldia, a dive was carried out. The duration of the dive is 150 minutes, of which 120 minutes - decompression. Therefore, ship lifting is extremely difficult. In addition, the ship's hull is broken into two parts, while the bow is turned upside down by the keel, and the stern with guns and superstructure is on an even keel.

The photograph taken during the dive allows you to assess the condition of the hull.
According to Soviet data, 114 crew members and civilians were killed as a result of the explosion and flooding of the ship.

[dgonni]

Nobody knows for sure the number of victims on Novik! For the crew totaled 168 people! How many loaded civilians no one knows. Losses in the Tallinn crossing exceed by an order of magnitude the losses of the Russian phloia during Tsushima. In general, complete seams.

[Curious]

You are directly bursting with the desire to show your awareness of the miscalculations of the Baltic Fleet command in organizing the Tallinn crossing. Probably Bunich revered.
Only a slightly different event is being discussed.
In addition, I kind of wrote Russian "According to Soviet data ..."
Do you have others? Do you know for sure that the crew was 100% manned? Or do you know how many civilians took on board?

[dgonni]

No, no data. However, in the neighborhood lived a grandfather, a participant in that transition. Then he was a marine and fought on the Neva patch. 5 wounds and 11 bayonet attacks. and so he was simply cowardly about one mention of that transition, and without mats, he did not even remember the fleet command.

[Vasyan1971]

"Novik (Yakov Sverdlov) died on August 28, 1941 during the Tallinn crossing. He was accompanied by the cruiser Kirov."
Maybe the opposite is true?