How do we build a strong Russian economy

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For a very long time, the economic policy of the Russian government has been subjected, we are not afraid of this word, to general criticism. Even those who voted for V.V. Putin was greeted by a new (or rather, old government) with poorly disguised disappointment: with the hope that Vladimir Vladimirovich would finally pay attention to the economy of our country in this very presidential term, many people parted very hard.

Alas, the old composition of the government and those theses voiced by V.V. Putin, in his message to the Federal Assembly, does not inspire the slightest optimism: there are no fundamental changes regarding the current methods of managing the economy. And without this, everything will continue as it has lasted for the last 10 years, when for some reason any financial crisis in the USA was felt most strongly in the world in the Russian province.



But there is such a good rule of discussion: criticize - offer! It is easy to blame our government for its economic failures, and you try to suggest how to turn Russia into an economic paradise on earth. And so, in this article we are offering you, we will try to do it.

What do we need to make our economy strong and sustainable? The answer is simple: we need to be formed by strong and economically successful enterprises with modern means of production, producing and selling competitive products. They have to sell it in such volumes in order to earn a profit that ensures expanded reproduction: that is, enterprises should have enough profit not only for current activities and dividends to shareholders, but also for investment and expansion of production. Of course, with the involvement of credit resources, but nonetheless.

And how many such enterprises do we need? How big should the product they produce be? Each country produces for the year products for a certain amount, respectively, it is possible to calculate how much this product accounts for one inhabitant of each country. We should strive for indicators similar to those of the most economically successful countries. If we have these figures are comparable, if our product grows from year to year (which indicates the expansion of production), then our economy is strong. But there is one more criterion: taxes that are collected from goods produced in our country should be enough to ensure the key government objectives - defense, medicine, education, etc. In other words, the country's budget should be formed from taxes levied on production, and not from super-profits, which we extract by selling oil and gas abroad.

So, with the criteria for success, we decided. Now it's up to you: to understand how to achieve all this. On the one hand, it seems to be very difficult, because business management in modern conditions is an extremely complex process, in which you need to take into account a lot of parameters. But on the other hand, it is very simple - it’s enough to remember that the Russian people, whoever doesn’t say anything on this subject, is intelligent and educated, and also has enough savvy to compete with anyone (that he, in general, and argued throughout his stories). That is, the state does not need to try to somehow manage, or otherwise directly influence the enterprises in order to achieve high performance. He needs to ensure equality of conditions with foreign business. And having equal conditions, domestic private owners will cope in fair competition themselves, and our enterprises will be no weaker than their foreign counterparts.

This is how we will define the key task of the Russian government in managing the country's economy: the government must ensure equality of opportunities with foreign business. And what do you need to do for this? Actually - not much, because, by and large, there are few key reasons for our failure - just the fingers of one hand are enough to count them.

The first thing we need is a stable exchange rate of the national currency. For 20 rubles for a dollar or for 100 rubles, but stable. Why do we need it?

The fact is that sharp drops in the course literally kill our businesses. There is no autarky in the Russian Federation for a long time, even the Soviet Union has not pulled it out - we are very closely and tightly connected with foreign manufacturers. As a result, whenever we find that the Central Bank once again dropped the ruble exchange rate, this means that all foreign raw materials and components have risen in price for us (for now we need more rubles to buy the same amount of dollars we spent on them ), but our revenue is about to fall, because other companies that have the same price increase will do ... what? That's right, they will start saving on purchases from a domestic producer in order to raise money for the purchase of the necessary imports.

In addition, as soon as the ruble goes into a steep dive, a banking crisis sets in immediately. It is known that today almost all enterprises have a loan portfolio and constantly renew it - by returning one loan, they immediately take a new one of the same size in return. The amount of credit obligations from this does not grow, but does not fall, thus achieving a stable position of the company. But as soon as the banking crisis begins, the bank quotes the brilliant statement of D.A. to the company that came to negotiate a new credit line instead of ending the current one. Medvedev: “There is no money, but you hold on!”



And, of course, do not forget to pay off the next tranche, you have it in a week ... That is, the company immediately has to not only seek additional funds to pay for imported materials, but also to pay off loans without the opportunity to take a new one, because if the loan is not timely pay off, there will be bankruptcy.

In general, every time the ruble begins to fall sharply, a huge number of enterprises in the Russian Federation are literally on the verge of survival, of course, all investment programs go under the knife, every penny is saved ... and this is not always enough, but even if it was enough, the effects of the crisis are felt for several more years. And as soon as we recover from it ... correctly, the next one comes.

Thus, the task of the state is a stable exchange rate of the ruble against the leading currencies of the world. Of course, it can vary in some reasonable limits, but it is precisely that reasonable, that is, very limited, as, strictly speaking, the world's leading currencies - the dollar, the euro, etc. - do.

The second, which is extremely necessary for domestic enterprises, is the sufficiency of funds for current operations. Alas, but in Russia there is a strong shortage of money supply. We simply do not have enough money to ensure normal economic relations between firms! In order to explain this - a bit of theory.

There is such a thing as “monetary aggregate”, while our Central Bank calculates four of its types M0, M1, M2 and M3. What are they?

М0 is cash, that is, banknotes and coins (but not non-cash money);

М1 - These are М0 plus your bank cards, demand deposits and balances on the settlement accounts of organizations (except credit);

М2 is М1 plus fixed deposits, that is, deposits made for a period agreed with the bank;

М3 is М2 plus savings deposits.

Naturally, all the above indicators are considered in national currency. If, for example, a certain enterprise will have settlement accounts and currency earnings on them, then such cash balances in the monetary aggregates МХNUMX-М1 will not be taken into account. Usually for the calculations in which the money supply participates, the M3 aggregate is used - that is, the amount of cash and non-cash funds, as well as time deposits in the national currency, and in the future we will use it.

So, here we have the M2 money supply. In the Russian Federation, in October, 2017 g amounted to 39 trillion 668,3 billion rubles. Is it a lot or a little? In order to answer this question, we need to remember that the main function of money is to ensure the exchange of goods, that is, we need to find out not only the amount of money supply, but also the volume of goods produced in the country.

For this we use another economic indicator, which is called gross domestic product, GDP (not to be confused with Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin!). This indicator is the sum of the value of all final goods and services produced in a country for a certain period (usually a year). What does the word "finite" mean in this definition? This is about what - let's say, during the year a certain company made metal for 100 rubles, the second - plastic for 100 rubles, and the third, having spent 200 rubles, bought the first two and both and produced ... well, for example, canteens knives worth 300 rub. So, only the cost of knives, that is, 300 rubles, will fall into GDP, because the cost of metal and plastic is already sitting in this value.

In other words, during the year, three firms were active, but metal and plastic, which were produced by two firms, were used by the third as raw material for table knives. As a result, at the end of the year, there was physically no metal or plastic left, but there are only table knives — their value will fall into GDP.

Well, it is obvious that the money supply must be in some relation with the value of the output. The question is which one?

Let's look at this ratio in the eurozone countries, using data from tradingeconomics.com. GDP of the eurozone in 2016 g amounted to 11 trillion. 886 billion euros. And the money supply (М2) is approximately 10 trillion. 250 billion euros. (there are graphs, so the definition of the exact value is a bit difficult).

Thus, for one euro of a country’s product produced in one year, the euro has approximately 0,86 euro of money. And what about Russia? We have already indicated the amount of М2 money supply - 39 trillion 668,3 billion rubles in 2017. But Russia's GDP in the same 2017 g was 92 trillion. 037,2 billion rub. Thus, for one ruble of produced goods, the economy of the Russian Federation has only 0,43 rubles. Money.

In other words, the money supply in the Russian Federation in comparison with the countries of the eurozone is undervalued by half! That is, in order to ensure the viability of the enterprise, domestic companies are forced, with a similar volume of output, to be content with half as much money as their foreign competitors. This is, of course, a completely unnatural situation that puts our business in a deliberately losing position.

Thus, the government of the Russian Federation faces the task of normalizing the size of the money supply. At the same time, we are well aware that simply “taking and printing money” will not work - a simple injection of money into the economy will simply disperse inflation, the goods produced in the country will become more expensive, and as a result the money supply / GDP ratio will remain at the same level that was before the "throw". Accordingly, it is necessary not only to replenish the money supply, but to find such a way of entering money into the economy, in which inflation does not change at all, or it changes very little.

By the way, about inflation ...

The third thing that our economy badly needs is a stable and low level of inflation. This is pure science - low inflation, at the level of 1-2%, stimulates the economy and is useful for it. Why? Imagine that inflation is equal to 0. In this case, the money put on the shelf (in stockings, under the pillow, etc.) will keep their purchasing value until they are taken from there - you can buy exactly as much as they can today and through 5 years, and through 10. But a small inflation will lead to the depreciation of the money. Of course, they can still be put into the piggy bank, but then they will lose a little each month in value, prompting their owner to invest this money somewhere - at least just to take the money to the bank, which, paying a small interest on the deposit, will make This is for the contributor. That is, a small inflation is useful because it does not make money “stagnate” and stimulates their turnover. What is bad high inflation? The fact is that the prices of goods of various kinds are unevenly raised, and as a result there is an imbalance between enterprises of different industries - that is, with high inflation, there are regular situations when a manufacturing company is forced to buy raw materials and materials at an increased price, but it cannot yet raise the price of their goods - they will not buy. As a result, many companies have reduced profits from the planned, ashes all development plans, etc.

So, what about inflation? In the past, 2017 g, according to Rosstat, the inflation rate was 2,5% (there is a lie, there is a big lie, and there are still statistics, yes). Generally speaking, this would be a wonderful result, if it were true (the price tags on the shelves of stores, alas, Rosstat’s conclusions somehow do not confirm), but the fact is that inflation in our country, even according to official data, is a galloping phenomenon. So, in 2016 g it was 5,38%, in 2015 it was 12,91%, and in 2018 g it was predicted at the level of 4%, but, according to recent forecasts, more is already expected. In the eurozone countries, this is much simpler and clearer - over the past 5 years, their inflation has ranged from -0,5% (that is, commodity prices have fallen!) To a maximum of 2%.

In general, it can be stated that our economy needs inflation, stably staying within 1-2% per year.

The fourth thing that Russian companies need is cheap loans. Money is, of course, also a commodity, and they have their own value. Banks give businesses money in use for a certain period of time, and charge for this in the form of interest on loans. Credit is the driving force of the modern economy, because it allows you to make investments for future profits - we are still only planning to earn it, and these are the investments!

But how can you compete with foreign competitors if they attract loans at a price (the amount of bank interest) many times less than that given by Russian banks to a domestic producer? With other things being equal, there is one of two things - you need to either earn a lot more profit than foreign businessmen, or limit yourself to the size of a loan. So, according to the site tradingeconomics.com. the interest rate on the loan in the eurozone is 2,09%, while in the Russian Federation it is 8,92%, that is, we have a more than fourfold difference ... The author of this article is not quite clear how the “Interest rate on credit” indicator was calculated for various countries, but this the ratio is more or less significant.

By the way, why do we have such draconian interest on the loan? Here, as you know, everything “rests” on the key rate set by the Central Bank, because banks are designed so that they cannot give loans below the CB rate. Simplifying the situation (in order not to try to turn an article into an economics textbook), the key rate is the cost of loans that the Central Bank gives commercial banks, and it is clear that a commercial bank to give someone this money at lower interest rates is a direct loss. So, we have this rate today is 7,25%. Why is she like that? Our pseudo-economists, graduates of the Higher School of Economics (HSE) have even come up with a definition: "inflation targeting." That is, in their opinion, the size of the interest rate of the Central Bank allows you to control inflation in the country.

Maybe it certainly is, but only strangely we control inflation - the stated inflation in 2017 g is 2,52%, but for some reason the interest rate on loans is three times higher - 7,75% (this is in 2017 g, before 7,25% it dropped already in 2018 g). And how to control inflation in other countries? Well, let's take the United States. They have inflation - 2,5%, and the interest rate - 1,75%. Take the UK. The inflation rate is 2,4%, and the interest rate level is 0,5%. You heard right, the countries of the "golden billion" value of money, which can receive commercial banks from the state bank, below the inflation rate. And it really looks like inflation management, because in this case a commercial bank can give loans at a rate of approximately equal to the inflationary one, and still, at the same time, it will remain at a profit. Naturally, nothing like this is possible in our country and the question arises - what goals are actually pursued by this very “inflation targeting”? With such draconian interest rates?

In this respect, the example of the eurozone countries is indicative. They, starting with 2016 g interest rate is zero. You heard right - if a government bank needs a government loan, it gets it for free. Well, our Central Bank, “in full accordance with Western economic science,” “targets inflation” with loans at 7,25% per annum. The explanations here are, in general, two - or CB specialists are completely incompetent, or the real inflation in 2017 g (and not the one about which Rosstat tells) is not 2,52, but more than 8,5-9% - which, by the way, is very seems to be true.

How do we build a strong Russian economy


In general, the task of our government in terms of bank lending is to ensure that the banking system functions in such a way that the cost of a bank loan will not exceed the average for the eurozone countries.

And finally, the fifth thing we need is the state’s support of the domestic producer. Everything is very simple here ... and difficult at the same time.

There is the World Trade Organization (abbreviated WTO), which promotes the principles of free trade. The main idea of ​​this organization (officially) is that the “invisible hand of the market” will lead all the countries that have entered it to incredible prosperity, since fair market competition will put everything in its place. Uncompetitive enterprises will go bankrupt, the best of the best will receive new markets, and as a result in the world there will be only the most highly efficient enterprises in each industry, at the same time the ideal division of labor between countries will be achieved. In each country, only those enterprises that have achieved the highest efficiency will remain, and the rest will be bought by these countries from other WTO members.

In practice, of course, nothing of the kind happens.

The first and key error in this logic is idealizing competition, since the WTO assumes that in open competition, in which neither party has “the aces in the sleeve” in the form of government support or protectionism, the manufacturer of the best product will win. This is not true - in such a competition the strongest wins, and not the one who offers the best product.

A simple example - no matter how great soda you come up with, you will not be able to compete with corporations like the same Coca-Cola. You simply have nothing to oppose to their many industries, giant advertising budgets and distribution networks, well-established logistics, etc. etc. Equal competition can be equal, or at least comparable companies - if you start from scratch, then no competition, of course, will not work. Here is another example - only the lazy one didn’t curse the results of the Sukhoi SuperJet program, but ... let us imagine that the Sukhoi Design Bureau worked perfectly, and the passenger plane created by them in its class turned out to be the best of the best, beating up the Boeing competitors. Ayrbasa "and all there" Embraerov ". What's next? Will the airlines queue up for Sukhoi's newest planes?

No, they will not. Because besides the quality of the aircraft itself, there is also the quality of service: the same Boeing can allow (and allows) to have service departments and spare parts warehouses around the world. That is, the airline, wherever it runs its flights, can be sure that in case of any technical problems, they will be eliminated as soon as possible. But Sukhoi will not be able to provide such a service due to a banal lack of finance. As a result, a vicious circle is formed - Sukhoi cannot deploy a worldwide network of “support”, because it requires money that could bring him large-scale sales of aircraft, but there will be no sales until the service is provided.

In other words, competition demonstrates its best qualities only in a “match of equal”, that is, companies that are comparable in their financial capabilities - otherwise, they will simply crush or outbid a competitor. That is why the WTO, in fact, does not create free competition, but claims the dominance of the most developed countries at the moment - their industrial and other products force out the producers of weaker, developing powers, not giving them hope to develop to a better world level. When a new, developing country enters the WTO, it does not gain anything from “free competition”, since its relatively weak industry is not able to withstand much more powerful corporations in more developed countries.

Strange as it may sound, under certain conditions, state protectionism is even more capable of responding to the ideals of a clean market than free competition. Thanks to protection, the state helps the company to strengthen in the domestic market sufficiently to obtain resources for competition with stronger companies in other countries.

In other words, the WTO is, in fact, the assertion of the domination of more developed countries over countries with less developed economies. And what is interesting is that by propagating the formal equality of its members, the WTO, nevertheless, retained very broad rights to support its first members (that is, the most developed countries) of certain sectors of their economies. That is, you, gentlemen, honestly compete with us in those areas where our industry is stronger than yours, but where it is not stronger, excuse me, but we will support our manufacturer. Thus, formally professing equality and healthy competition, in practice the WTO is a tool for expanding the sales markets of the economies of the “golden billion” countries at the expense of less developed countries.

The second problem with the WTO is that no economic benefit can outweigh the country's security concerns. Again, a simple example - no enterprise of the Russian Federation is able to compete today with manufacturers of modern processors for computer equipment, our backlog is enormous. But nevertheless, we cannot ensure the safety of the country using imported components - therefore, the country is simply obliged to create and maintain, even if unprofitable, the production of computing equipment - even if it is several times inferior to foreign innovations. The same with food - agriculture in most parts of our country cannot compete in any way, for example, with an Italian farmer who does not need to think about capital buildings in the winter, about heating, and who easily takes two harvests a year. But food security does not allow us to give up on our own agriculture in the hope that the country will be fed by Italian farmers. In other words, the principles of the WTO are good only as long as peace and friendship reign among its members, but if not, then free competition is immediately forgotten and sanctions begin, for which you need to be ready.

Thus, the state should implement a policy of reasonable protectionism - its meaning is not to protect its manufacturer at any cost, but to equalize chances if possible, making the competition truly equal. By the way, part of this protectionism is the development of science, including the fundamental one - it is clear that relatively small companies cannot support and finance research projects.

That is, in fact, the five basic conditions, according to which we can really hope to create a strong market economy. Perhaps someone will be disappointed if they do not see the requirement to create a sane tax system in the list above. Strange as it may sound, it is to her, perhaps, the least of all questions today - some excessive differences from foreign tax systems for the better or worse, perhaps there isn’t any. However, this does not mean that it cannot be improved by simplifying the procedure for collecting taxes for the state and for business.

So, we have formulated five goals that we need to achieve. Now it's up to you to describe how we can do it. But we will do this in the next article.

To be continued ...
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  1. +11
    18 June 2018 05: 33
    A real interest on a loan of more than twenty percent kills everything except trade ...
    1. dSK
      +5
      18 June 2018 05: 53
      Quote: Vard
      kills everything except trade ...
      and banks - the most highly profitable "enterprises" of Russia.
      Maybe it’s certainly true, but it’s just somehow strange that inflation is controlled here - the declared inflation in 2017 is 2,52%, but the interest rate on loans is for some reason three times higher - 7,75%
      it's like putting out a fire with gas ...
      In other words, the WTO is, in essence, a statement of the dominance of more developed countries over countries with less developed economies.

      If you need to "crush" a competitor - sanctions and "no nails" ...
      1. dSK
        +10
        18 June 2018 07: 22
        The country's budget should be formed from taxes levied on production, and by no means from excess profits that we derive from the sale of oil and gas abroad.
        Reduce the export of crude oil and gas to keep prices down, without reducing the level of production, it is possible only by increasing their "deep" processing in Russia - plastic (polyethylene, polypropylene ... - products from it ... Each redistribution increases employment and the cost of production at times. An example is Tatneft, a growing company, very "old" oil fields, production has been going on for a long time, oil is viscous, sulphurous.
        1. +4
          18 June 2018 08: 09
          Each "redistribution" increases employment and the cost of production at times.
          Gold words. Volkswagen vehicle cost 12 thousand times more than raw materials.
        2. +8
          18 June 2018 11: 47
          Quote from dsk
          The country's budget should be formed from taxes levied on production, and by no means from excess profits that we derive from the sale of oil and gas abroad.
          Reduce the export of crude oil and gas to keep prices down, without reducing the level of production, it is possible only by increasing their "deep" processing in Russia - plastic (polyethylene, polypropylene ... - products from it ... Each redistribution increases employment and the cost of production at times. An example is Tatneft, a growing company, very "old" oil fields, production has been going on for a long time, oil is viscous, sulphurous.


          Enemy government with us
        3. +2
          21 June 2018 20: 18
          That the author is fooling his head with his finds and saving offers (as if the Delyagins, Glazyevs and other specialists had not spoken in the eye about the anti-state activities of the government) - all the finds and proposals of the author by the government for more than 15 years have been done quite the opposite. The government is interested in earning more profits from fossils (even at the expense of friendly countries, turning into enemies) and stealing everything, is not going to do anything else, and even protect itself and its extracted good - the RF Armed Forces, the Russian Guard is powerful. Let us recall the next May decrees, delayed for the elections, with promises of a bright future (decades?), All of them are not fully implemented, and are regularly repeated in new promises ... It seems that the “people's” president serves as a cover for the robbery of the Russian state at levels of trillions of dollars, here anybody can be shareholders of such a scam, from kings, major presidents, to world financial major whales ... As V. Vysotsky sang: "Well, then we will find out the whole truth about him ..."
      2. +18
        18 June 2018 08: 19
        Maybe it’s certainly so, but it’s just somehow strange that inflation is controlled by us - the declared inflation in 2017 is 2,52%, but for some reason the interest rate on loans is three times higher - 7,75% is how to put out gas fire ...
        in the West they’re stewing, stewing with bezin, that is, they print hundreds of billions, and they live well and they don’t have inflation.
        because you need to print correctly, as one of the measures, a comprehensive policy, long-term development of the country.
        all this fight against inflation is food for khomichki. The elite of the Russian Federation, do not care about the country, it sells resources and lives in the west, and the local natives are already 20 years old. rubbing mythologemes about the entrapment, we must tolerate, now, inflation will decrease and we will live,
    2. +6
      18 June 2018 09: 11
      the answer to the article title is as simple as three pennies- NEED TO START BUILDING A STRONG ECONOMY.
      1. MrK
        +7
        18 June 2018 10: 50
        Quote: KLV2018
        NEED TO START BUILDING A STRONG ECONOMY.

        Everything written by the author is Ahnieia, since it is proposed to improve capitalism. Read on Prose. RU. A new article by A. KURLYANDCHIK: "How to live further?". And then you will understand why I said nonsense.
        1. +3
          18 June 2018 11: 34
          Quote: mrark
          Everything written by the author is Ahnieia, since it is proposed to improve capitalism. Read on Prose. RU. A new article by A. KURLYANDCHIK: "How to live on?

          not all nonsense, Kurlandchik - well done, the author of the article promises to continue, although he clearly did not finalize with the success criteria, did not read A. Parshev. And the question is how to write down what was written by this author and Kurlandchik to the GDP and the government ?? and the second question - why should they change anything, because you can lose everything ??
          1. 0
            21 June 2018 21: 53
            aybolyt678 "convey to GDP and government ??"
            And they need it, so that they would be informed of them?))) They are doing well.))) The prime minister said that they built the European economy.))) And what kind of life do you live with?)))
        2. +5
          18 June 2018 13: 42
          Quote: mrark
          Read on Prose. RU. A new article by A. KURLYANDCHIK: "How to live further?". And then you will understand why I said nonsense

          I read it. Alas :)))) There is a criticism of capitalism as such, but there is nothing concrete in return. General references to the USSR are not a recipe here.
          1. +4
            18 June 2018 14: 47
            The beginning was life-affirming, but as soon as you stated that "..., we have decided on the success criteria. Now it’s small: to understand how to achieve all this ....", doubts arose precisely in what you call "determined "
            The phrase from your article, “... we need to be formed by strong and economically successful enterprises with modern means of production, producing and selling competitive products ....”, unfortunately, it is divorced from reality and sounds like a slogan without any filling.
            For example, I am convinced that without a coherent state program for the development of the economy and agriculture in the country, nothing of what you propose in your first part of the article is feasible. And this is not just an opinion, but a time-tested practice. Just look around, in different cities of Russia, and you will take away that where the state shows interest and provides assistance (with tax benefits, financial assistance, protectionism in relation to import and promotion of a domestic product abroad, etc.) to sectors of the economy or specific business is getting better and more vibrant, but this is being done in a fragmented and non-systematic way, and most likely according to the principle of “What is relevant for the country now, we help those enterprises and sectors of the economy”. Those. There is no state program for today and this is bad.
            On the other hand, the so-called "business", i.e. those who became "lucky and rich overnight" having acquired whole industrial enterprises or complexes. According to my observations, many of these "lucky ones" simply do not want to raise and upgrade industrial enterprises and complexes for their original purpose, but simply create in their place all kinds of misunderstandings like business centers, warehouses and shopping malls or sell the territory for housing development. The law is on their side and the state cannot force and does not particularly want to force them to raise production.
            Therefore, the question remains open - Who will raise the fallen economy?
            Try to reveal this aspect in the next part of the article.
            1. +1
              18 June 2018 14: 57
              Quote: credo
              Try to reveal this aspect in the next part of the article.

              By itself:)))
              Quote: credo
              For example, I am convinced that without a coherent state program for the development of the economy and agriculture in the country

              See paragraph 5 of my suggestions :)))))
              1. +3
                18 June 2018 15: 23
                Quote: credo
                For example, I am convinced that without a coherent state program for the development of the economy and agriculture in the country
                See paragraph 5 of my suggestions :)))))
                This is not a little what you write about the WTO and what I meant. We are talking about those industries that are more focused on the domestic market for certain reasons. For example, the bakery industry. In the USSR, as a rule, such enterprises were not only in each regional center but also regional. They had a market and they felt pretty good. And now, for example, in the district center of the Novgorod region of Staraya Russa, most of the shelves of bakery products are occupied with products from St. Petersburg, which is 250 kilometers from this center. Those. inside the country, large companies practically destroy the so-called "small business" depriving this business of the opportunity to develop or simply work in its region. And this is a significant omission of the state, not the WTO.
              2. 0
                18 June 2018 16: 15
                Andrey from Chelyabinsk (

                Unfortunately, people like you are anywhere in Russia ..
                And in Moscow there are crooks and parasites. So, what is interesting to read, but no one from the powers that be does not heed. recourse to .. tires?
            2. +1
              18 June 2018 20: 27
              Quote: credo
              The beginning was life affirming

              Bernard Shaw said - if you do not know where you are going then you will find yourself in the wrong place. This is about the course of our government.
            3. -1
              21 June 2018 09: 13
              1. Planning or state plan:
              Specifically, to address development issues, a development program must be created = a plan by which this development will be implemented. The trouble with the union was that the plan = state plan was brought to the point of absurdity when they tried to plan every nut, every bolt, every kg of potatoes, etc. But the plan itself was the strongest side. This is what is currently completely absent in Russia. The reason is the fear of a revival of the state plan. This is what determines the absence of any planning, first of all, of a certain industrial policy. In the absence of a plan, the state does not determine and does not know which industries should be developed and which ones should be temporarily slowed down in development, which industries and industries are not enough in Russia, and which industries are redundant ... If there had been planning, then development would not have arisen .
              2. Monetary policy.
              Much has been said about loans, inflation, etc. But these are all secondary questions in relation to the first question: the dependence of the Russian economy on the dollar. It is this dependence that, ultimately, sways the Russian economy and prevents it from developing. For example, the Union after the civil war and intervention during the 30s was able not only to restore the completely destroyed industry, but also created an industry that allowed to win the war and the fruits of which Russia still uses. Question: why was the Union able to do this? The answer is simple: the union ruble was untied from currencies and ensured the accumulation of wealth and development of the country. The Union could afford to credit the construction and development of any production, if necessary, even at a negative credit rate. The monetary system was completely under state control and was aimed at the accumulation and development of production.
              Now in Russia the situation is different. The Central Bank of the Russian Federation, formally located in the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation, is actually under the control of the IMF and, therefore, is subordinate to the United States. Until the umbilical cord of the Central Bank of the RF-IMF-USA is torn, the question of Russia's development is a rhetorical one. The United States has done, is doing and will continue to do everything so that Russia cannot get, have, use its monetary resources for its own development, for the development of its own industry, commodity and commodity markets. Of course, the most nationally oriented members of the Russian government understand this and are trying to bring monetary resources out of the control of the United States, but this is not working out well for them. They manage to do this with the support of the president only in a very narrow space, for example, in agriculture, which, receiving state support, is developing at a two-digit pace. Other sectors of the economy are stagnating or developing at a very slow pace. A similar state in Russia will exist until Russia cuts the heavy US stranglehold on the neck of its monetary policy. If Russia does this, then development will immediately go at an unprecedented pace, perhaps even there will be double-digit values, if it fails, then the United States will squeeze Russia and preserve its wretched state.
              1. +1
                21 June 2018 21: 56
                Pravdodel "In the absence of a plan, the state does not determine and does not know which industries should be developed and which ones should be temporarily slowed down in development, which industries and industries are in short supply, and which industries are redundant ... If planning existed, there would be no development issues would arise. "
                But there is a Strategy 2020!))) The truth is what no one knows about this strategy.)))
                1. 0
                  22 June 2018 07: 07
                  Quote: Nagaibak
                  But there is a Strategy 2020!

                  strategy without tactics - dreams
        3. AUL
          +3
          19 June 2018 08: 18
          Achinea because all the conclusions of the author are based on the laws of scientific economics. In our country, the economy is criminal, in which concepts act on scientific laws. I will explain. .Kechinsky bridge has already cost more than 10 times more than the initial cost - and yet it has not yet been completed! Who, in a normal economy, will get in touch with the Rotenbergs? Yes, they will immediately be bankrupt for life! And they get all new state feeders from us. Because - close to the body. And so in everything. Therefore, judging our economy from the point of view of economic laws is a thankless task.
          1. +2
            19 June 2018 09: 18
            AUL (Alexander)
            Achinea because all the conclusions of the author are based on the laws of scientific economics. We have a criminal economy

            Yes, you are right, we have a criminal economy negative and there are other semi-criminal mechanisms. But the author writes on another topic - what needs to be done for the normal development of the economy. hi We are waiting for the second article on how to do this.
      2. +1
        20 June 2018 12: 02
        Quote: KLV2018
        the answer to the article title is as simple as three pennies- NEED TO START BUILDING A STRONG ECONOMY.

        Like in an independent laughing
  2. +22
    18 June 2018 05: 52
    "The second thing that is extremely necessary for domestic enterprises is the sufficiency of funds for current operations" ... this is a rhetorical question, money is the blood of the economy. Under the USSR, domestic needs were covered by 80% ... and now 15%, at a discount. Under the USSR, there was a state monopoly on currency ... now no, the state doesn’t want to stop plundering it ... it just leaks. Money inside the country does not spin, as in the USSR, but in fact immediately settles outside it. Given the exported official volumes, and there are no less black diversions of money ... Russia just needs to close the investment market. The state does not take logical actions, if someone invests money, it means it is profitable and the government gives high-yielding pieces of the economy to a private trader ... with the hope that he will share part in the form of taxes, but in reality ... he only drools watching everything flow abroad ... and raw materials and money. Paradoxically, the state cannot control its own officials in state-owned enterprises ... they do what they want, damaging the state from decade to decade ... the same Nanotechnologies ... there is no result of the activity, the output is also empty. Like a classic ... there’s just no order. It’s based on one thing ... the state’s lack of an idea, it doesn’t know ... and doesn’t want to fix it ... the slogan of modern officials ... after us, at least there will be enough flood for our age ... in action.
    1. +10
      18 June 2018 07: 11
      Quote: Strashila
      Under the USSR, there was a state monopoly on currency ... now no

      Enough to set the USSR as an example, especially in the economy. Yes, much has been done, but much has been achieved, but with that system, the country has existed for TOTAL 70 YEARS! This is very small ... How did people be lured to the polls during an alliance? That's right, a car shop with sausage, why? because the store didn’t buy it, like anything else (queues for cars, for tires for cars, for chainsaws in a warehouse, for everything), and this is with such a great economy ...
      Quote: Strashila
      Under the USSR, domestic needs were covered by 80% ...

      Thanks to the author, I am far from an economist, I read it with interest.
      PS: no need to write me down as anti-advisers.
      1. +13
        18 June 2018 07: 27
        Well, if you call these ersatz products sausage ... it is your right. According to statistics, we only approximately reached consumption by volume of meat as 1991. The question was not in volumes ... the question was in the literacy of filling the market ... and there the children competently worked in their own pocket artificially creating a deficit.
        1. +11
          18 June 2018 09: 05
          Quote: Strashila
          Well, if you call these ersatz products sausage ... it is your right. According to statistics, we only approximately reached consumption by volume of meat as 1991. The question was not in volumes ... the question was in the literacy of filling the market ... and there the children competently worked in their own pocket artificially creating a deficit.

          Damn it with sausage. I still don’t eat it despite the rich assortment and reasonable prices. The scoop had problems not only with sausage, but simply put with basic food. There were problems with everything. It was difficult to buy a car, motorcycle, furniture, clothes, BOOKS and further down the list. In free trade they were not (necessary). Either wait in line for years, or get out on a pull. For decades, they have been waiting for housing without waiting. Millions still live in barracks. Was the economy cool? Fairy tales for children. I have a sea of ​​examples of how "effectively" Soviet enterprises worked. I will give just one example. Italians say:
          They put equipment for the plant in the USSR and in xxxxxx. We come to set up xxxxxx, and there it works in full swing. The owner says: "I have to wait for you until you come and lose money"?
          Put the same equipment in the USSR. We ask: "When to come?" They answer: "Not yet, wait." Six months later, we ask: "When to come?" They answer: "Not yet, wait." Arrived a year later. Equipment is lying in the yard in boxes under snow. Scoop is not his not sorry.

          PS
          Yes, I am an anti-adviser.

          PPS
          While the article is a minus. I'll wait for the continuation.
          1. +2
            18 June 2018 09: 12
            Quote: professor
            Yes, I am an anti-adviser.

            Oleg relaxed, the scoop has sunk into oblivion, and a small number of Bolsheviks running around different Saits are endangered remnants, which in their own helpless spite are no longer capable of anything.
            Glory to Maduro laughing
            1. +9
              18 June 2018 17: 44
              You are mistaken, the Bolsheviks, in reality, had no relation whatsoever to the construction of developed socialism in the USSR. Stalin criticized them in the 30th. And in vain you dream that the idea of ​​a just society has gone. Many of us are still Soviet. And in the near future, if the iPhone and the company do not change their minds and the back will not turn on.
            2. +5
              18 June 2018 19: 23
              and a small number of Bolsheviks fleeing to different Saitans are endangered remnants that, in their impotent rage, are no longer capable of anything.

              As they repeated the mantra before going to bed, hoping that at dawn their heads would not be on the block ....
            3. +1
              21 June 2018 22: 02
              Alexander Romanov "an insignificant number of Bolsheviks running to different Sait are dying out remnants, which in their impotent rage."
              He wrote rare crap.)))
          2. +8
            18 June 2018 09: 59
            "Buy a car" ... and now at the car dealership you take it right off the shelf ... or make an advance payment and wait. In the USSR there were times in the late 70s when cars were offered on credit to Muscovites and Zaporozhets. In Soviet times, the moment came, as now, now effective management, then the nominees from the CPSU party ... both have one thing in common so that it is beautiful on paper ... but in fact it doesn’t matter, the main thing is a warm place ... and it’s nice to speak beautifully in newspapers templates, i.e. echo the commands from the top. The grenades were of that system ... so the users became smaller and were afraid to take them into their hands, and therefore the responsibility ... now Russia is going exactly along this path ... the paper is headed, not the case. It's not an ideology, it has proved its viability, it is a matter of people ... tablets for greed have not been made.
            1. +3
              18 June 2018 12: 48
              Quote: Strashila
              and now at the car dealership you take it right off the shelf ... or make an advance payment and wait.

              I called the salon, found out about the availability, withdrew the money from the account, drove off, gave it to the cashier, twenty minutes later I left in a new car and so twice in the last 4 years ...
              Quote: Strashila
              It's not about ideology, it has proven its viability,

              Not really. ideology pushes people to accomplish and they (people) are ready to make sacrifices for a bright future, and their children are not ... And so it became with the Union, people stopped believing in a bright communist future, especially when they saw that in the decaying west the standard of living is much better .. .
              1. +2
                19 June 2018 17: 22
                Quote: raw174
                I called the salon, found out about the availability, withdrew the money from the account, drove off, gave it to the cashier, twenty minutes later I left in a new car and so twice in the last 4 years ...


                He stole like Abramovich and boast?
                And millions of honest people from bread to water
                1. 0
                  20 June 2018 06: 39
                  Quote: Alber
                  He stole like Abramovich and boast?

                  No, I didn’t buy a yacht))) I’m rather like an average American, on credit and domestic ... good
            2. -1
              18 June 2018 16: 56
              Quote: Strashila
              Buy a car "... and now at the dealership you take it right off the shelf ... or make an advance payment and wait

              Waiting for years wassat
          3. +8
            18 June 2018 11: 59
            Quote: professor
            Quote: Strashila
            Well, if you call these ersatz products sausage ... it is your right. According to statistics, we only approximately reached consumption by volume of meat as 1991. The question was not in volumes ... the question was in the literacy of filling the market ... and there the children competently worked in their own pocket artificially creating a deficit.

            Damn it with sausage. I still don’t eat it despite the rich assortment and reasonable prices. The scoop had problems not only with sausage, but simply put with basic food. There were problems with everything. It was difficult to buy a car, motorcycle, furniture, clothes, BOOKS and further down the list. In free trade they were not (necessary). Either wait in line for years, or get out on a pull. For decades, they have been waiting for housing without waiting. Millions still live in barracks. Was the economy cool? Fairy tales for children. I have a sea of ​​examples of how "effectively" Soviet enterprises worked. I will give just one example. Italians say:
            They put equipment for the plant in the USSR and in xxxxxx. We come to set up xxxxxx, and there it works in full swing. The owner says: "I have to wait for you until you come and lose money"?
            Put the same equipment in the USSR. We ask: "When to come?" They answer: "Not yet, wait." Six months later, we ask: "When to come?" They answer: "Not yet, wait." Arrived a year later. Equipment is lying in the yard in boxes under snow. Scoop is not his not sorry.

            PS
            Yes, I am an anti-adviser.

            PPS
            While the article is a minus. I'll wait for the continuation.

            In the USSR, there were separate flaws, no one argues. It was necessary to slightly lighten the system, but not to destroy the country.
            You are using the “Catechism of a Jew of the USSR” abandoned in the country as a guide to action, purposefully destroying it at all levels. They sabotaged, putrefied products, created an artificial shortage (of cigarettes, detergent, and then all that was possible) caused hatred for everything Soviet ...
            1. 0
              18 June 2018 14: 25
              Quote: Alber
              In the USSR, there were separate flaws, no one argues. It was necessary to slightly lighten the system, but not to destroy the country.
              You are using the “Catechism of a Jew of the USSR” abandoned in the country as a guide to action, purposefully destroying it at all levels. They sabotaged, putrefied products, created an artificial shortage (of cigarettes, detergent, and then all that was possible) caused hatred for everything Soviet ...

              Of course, I personally ruined the country. By the way, I never regret it. wassat
              1. 0
                19 June 2018 12: 58
                Quote: professor
                Quote: Alber
                In the USSR, there were separate flaws, no one argues. It was necessary to slightly lighten the system, but not to destroy the country.
                You are using the “Catechism of a Jew of the USSR” abandoned in the country as a guide to action, purposefully destroying it at all levels. They sabotaged, putrefied products, created an artificial shortage (of cigarettes, detergent, and then all that was possible) caused hatred for everything Soviet ...

                Of course, I personally ruined the country. By the way, I never regret it. wassat


                Thank you Jews for your honesty! Finally, admit to deliberate sabotage, sabotage.
                It turns out who inserted the sticks into the wheels, who let the trains downhill ...)
              2. +1
                21 June 2018 22: 29
                Professor
                Ural is the Orenburg region. Why not the granary?))) Chelyabinsk region is the same. Yes, and the Kurgan bread region.
                The Volga region is the largest grain granary in the country, providing 18-20% of grain and about 50% of the most food-grade strong and durum wheat varieties with limited distribution areas in Russia and other countries of the world. Volga high-value wheat historically is one of the national treasures of Russia. The region plays a high role in the collection of sunflower seeds (about 20% of Russian production), sugar beets, potatoes (10% each), vegetables (about 13%), and among vegetable and melon crops, the most valuable watermelons, tomatoes and others occupy more than 20 % Among other areas of the Volga region stands out more balanced development of agriculture and food processing industries.
          4. +5
            18 June 2018 15: 23
            Quote: professor
            There were problems with everything.

            Quote: professor
            Was the economy cool? Fairy tales for children.

            Firstly, the Soviet Union certainly had problems and shortcomings, but there were also advantages. For example, affordable education, medicine, housing, etc.
            And secondly - the country suffered a civil war, was forced to forcefully industrialize and intensely arm itself. Then World War II, and after - again the arms race. And all this for a very short period of time. Naturally, in such harsh conditions, there were not always resources for production, or the purchase of some goods. The task was more important - to ensure security for the country.
            Well, ok, let's say that the Soviet economy was not cool, but everything is relative, can you give an example of a cool economy? You will find a country that, having experienced about the same as the USSR, and ensuring security at the level of the USSR, could create higher living conditions than in it?
            Quote: professor
            I will give just one example. Italians tell

            ABOUT ! I can do the same ! Italians say:
            We delivered equipment for the plant in Israel and in xxxxxx. We come to set up xxxxxx, and there it works in full swing. The owner says: "I have to wait for you until you come and lose money"?
            Delivered the same equipment to Israel. We ask: "When to come?" They answer: "Not yet, wait." Six months later, we ask: "When to come?" They answer: "Not yet, wait." Arrived a year later. The equipment is lying in the yard in boxes under the sand. Zionism - not his own, not sorry. laughing
            Quote: professor
            Yes, I am an anti-adviser.

            That's noticeable. The anti-Soviet always had a bad time with logic and knowledge of history.
            1. +1
              18 June 2018 17: 47
              Quote: rkkasa 81
              You will find a country that, having experienced about the same as the USSR, and ensuring security at the level of the USSR, could create higher living conditions than in it?

              Germany, Japan. The second generally survived a nuclear attack, but there is now "For example, affordable education, medicine, housing, etc."

              Quote: rkkasa 81
              Zionism - not his own, not sorry.

              Only Zionism survived the scoop, and the Zionist economy is booming. So something doesn’t add up in your story. fellow

              Quote: rkkasa 81
              That's noticeable. The anti-Soviet always had a bad time with logic and knowledge of history.

              I have no problems with the logic and I know the story on "5". Gap template. And for those who miss the scoop, I highly recommend applying for North Korean citizenship. Just hurry, and even there it will end soon.
              1. +5
                18 June 2018 18: 07
                Quote: professor
                Germany, Japan.

                I know that it does not reach the anti-advisers the first time, so I repeat:
                Quote: rkkasa 81
                Well, ok, let's say that the Soviet economy was not cool, but everything is relative, can you give an example of a cool economy? You will find a country that has experienced about the same as the USSR, and ensuring security at the level of the USSR - Could create living conditions higher than in it?

                Quote: professor
                scoop

                And yet, yes professor, a scoop is what you have between your earsYes , and the state was called the USSR.
                1. +1
                  19 June 2018 18: 33
                  Quote: rkkasa 81
                  I know that it does not reach the anti-advisers the first time, so I repeat:

                  Repeat “halva” in your mouth at least a thousand times.

                  Quote: rkkasa 81
                  And yet, yes, a professor, a scoop is what you have between your ears, and the state was called the USSR.

                  The transition to personality is a typical shovel method.
                  1. 0
                    23 June 2018 04: 43
                    Quote: professor
                    Repeat “halva” in your mouth at least a thousand times

                    What halva, professor? You elementary screwed up with your Germany and Japanlol
              2. 0
                21 June 2018 22: 35
                Professor "Germany, Japan."
                Yes, of course they recovered by themselves.)))
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          5. 0
            18 June 2018 22: 21
            Quote: professor
            Yes, I am an anti-adviser.

            The USSR in different years is a different country. I am for Stalin at all times!
          6. +1
            21 June 2018 22: 00
            professor "Yes, I'm an anti-adviser."
            Let it be to you.))) An anti-adviser has been found.)))) To kick that which has not existed for a long time is neither mind nor fantasy.)))
        2. +2
          18 June 2018 12: 42
          Quote: Strashila
          Well, if you call these ersatz products sausage ...

          My father worked as a veterinarian at a state farm, for the death of cattle I had to get a hat, so as not to receive, all the dead wood was registered as slaughter and taken to a sausage factory. The sausage was made of meat, of dohlyatina, but the meat was ...
          Well, I brought the sausage as an example, everything was in short supply, but not everyone ... I had a relative head. warehouse, he had no shortage, there was everything and two pieces.
          1. +1
            18 June 2018 13: 46
            You know, in the USSR I had no problems with products, well, except for the late USSR! Yes, with consumer goods were problematic but not so serious! Just late Brezhnev USSR began to be sold! Andropov tried to fix this ... alas, it did not work out! Gorbachev also tried ... but his retinue did it !!! In general, in the history of Russia, a country flourishes either with a good dictator or with a very liberal retinue of the dictator!
          2. +2
            18 June 2018 22: 34
            Quote: raw174
            The sausage was made of meat, of dohlyatina, but the meat was ...

            any sausage is made from dead animals ...... Just a competent veterinarian can always distinguish safe meat from dangerous meat. And sausage, by design, is chewed meat, in fact, a way to hide the contents. Now on the shelves often found cheap sausage with a natural taste and smell. It turns out that this is soy sausage in which to create a natural taste add 3% of boar (meat of uncastrated boar) and amazing natural meat taste and smell of soy.
            1. +1
              19 June 2018 06: 11
              Quote: aybolyt678
              any sausage is made from dead animals.

              I thought live pigs in a meat grinder are driven)))
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Just a competent veterinarian can always distinguish safe meat from dangerous

              Well, of course, people after eating sausages did not pickle. The fact is that this is a gross violation, the animal must be euthanized and bloodless as much as possible, this is important. When the animal does not die at the hands of man, blood remains in the carcass. In principle, it is not critical, because heat treatment will neutralize the blood and everything that is harmful in it ...
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Now on the shelves often found cheap sausage with a natural taste and smell.

              The one that is more expensive than 300 rubles. per kg as a rule already normal, with an animal. My friend worked as a sausage mincer.
              So we went through a short course of sausage science))))
          3. 0
            19 June 2018 17: 25
            Quote: raw174
            Quote: Strashila
            Well, if you call these ersatz products sausage ...

            My father worked as a veterinarian at a state farm, for the death of cattle I had to get a hat, so as not to receive, all the dead wood was registered as slaughter and taken to a sausage factory. The sausage was made of meat, of dohlyatina, but the meat was ...
            Well, I brought the sausage as an example, everything was in short supply, but not everyone ... I had a relative head. warehouse, he had no shortage, there was everything and two pieces.

            Nah yes! Swindlers in several generations ... Bullseye from an apple tree
            1. 0
              20 June 2018 06: 42
              Quote: Alber
              Nah yes! Swindlers in several generations ...

              No, this is the system. Make a good report at all costs so that it’s not embarrassing for people to show. Not only veterinarians are involved in this, the installation on top is ...
      2. +12
        18 June 2018 08: 41
        Quote: raw174
        Quote: Strashila
        Under the USSR, there was a state monopoly on currency ... now no

        Enough to set the USSR as an example, especially in the economy. Yes, much has been done, but much has been achieved, but with that system, the country has existed for TOTAL 70 YEARS! This is very small ... How did people be lured to the polls during an alliance? That's right, a car shop with sausage, why? because the store didn’t buy it, like anything else (queues for cars, for tires for cars, for chainsaws in a warehouse, for everything), and this is with such a great economy ...
        Quote: Strashila
        Under the USSR, domestic needs were covered by 80% ...

        Thanks to the author, I am far from an economist, I read it with interest.
        PS: no need to write me down as anti-advisers.

        You somehow missed that the country of the USSR began from 0 (zero) practically and filling the market with sausage, machines and other things while investing in science and technology costs time and money! Of the 70 years, most of this is war and come to your senses after them, and what it would be if there were no wars!? And the USSR did not fall apart on its own, the USSR was purposefully collapsed!
        1. +7
          18 June 2018 09: 14
          Quote: free
          Quote: raw174
          Quote: Strashila
          Under the USSR, there was a state monopoly on currency ... now no

          Enough to set the USSR as an example, especially in the economy. Yes, much has been done, but much has been achieved, but with that system, the country has existed for TOTAL 70 YEARS! This is very small ... How did people be lured to the polls during an alliance? That's right, a car shop with sausage, why? because the store didn’t buy it, like anything else (queues for cars, for tires for cars, for chainsaws in a warehouse, for everything), and this is with such a great economy ...
          Quote: Strashila
          Under the USSR, domestic needs were covered by 80% ...

          Thanks to the author, I am far from an economist, I read it with interest.
          PS: no need to write me down as anti-advisers.

          You somehow missed that the country of the USSR began from 0 (zero) practically and filling the market with sausage, machines and other things while investing in science and technology costs time and money! Of the 70 years, most of this is war and come to your senses after them, and what it would be if there were no wars!? And the USSR did not fall apart on its own, the USSR was purposefully collapsed!

          Before World War II, a new plant was commissioned every 8 hours in the USSR, three plants a day, 24 a week, 1250 new plants a year. And this is without any "foreign investors".
          1. +5
            18 June 2018 09: 51
            Quote: Captain Pushkin
            Before World War II, in the USSR, every 8 hours a new plant was commissioned, three plants per day, 24 per week, 1250 new plants per year. And this is without any "foreign investors".

            Yah? And not Americans, for example, built car factories, tractor plants? Didn't the Americans build transib?
            1. +4
              18 June 2018 09: 56
              All Stalinist industrialization is the merit of the Americans and Germans. Only in the picture of the world of Stalinist captains these facts do not want to fit. laughing
              1. +14
                18 June 2018 10: 10
                Quote: Togrul
                All Stalinist industrialization is the merit of the Americans and Germans.

                laughing Yeah I can only tell you one thing - ignorance of history does not absolve from responsibility :)
                1. +1
                  18 June 2018 10: 28
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  ignorance of history does not absolve from responsibility :)


                  Only in the picture of the world of Stalinist captains these facts do not want to fit. laughing
                  1. +15
                    18 June 2018 10: 45
                    Quote: Togrul
                    Only in the picture of the world of Stalinist captains these facts do not want to fit.

                    Alas, the facts here did not smell. Kindergarten, the Cheburashka group, in a word. The fact that the USSR really did attract foreign specialists and acquired the latest industrial equipment abroad does not mean at all that "the Americans and Germans did industrialization."
              2. +15
                18 June 2018 12: 34
                That is, you want to say that our ancestors just stood by and watched the Germans working with the Americans tirelessly? Clear. And of course, everything was done contrary to the sworn communes. Fence grass has now grown in Australia.
              3. +6
                18 June 2018 13: 01
                Quote: Togrul
                All Stalinist industrialization is the merit of the Americans and Germans.

                Did you come up with this yourself? Yes, the Americans built factories in the USSR, for example, ChTZ was built by specialists from Detroit and the first tractors were based on the American pattern, but they didn’t do it out of kindness, but for money. This is not foreign investment, but the hiring of workers (engineers and designers).
              4. +4
                18 June 2018 17: 22
                Quote: Togrul
                All Stalinist industrialization is the merit of the Americans and Germans. Only in the picture of the world of Stalinist captains these facts do not want to fit. laughing

                Please provide your facts as the Americans and Germans industrialized in the USSR. I think that everyone will be very interested to know this.
              5. 0
                19 June 2018 17: 28
                Quote: professor
                And not Americans, for example, built car factories, tractor plants? Didn't the Americans build transib?

                Quote: Togrul
                All Stalinist industrialization is the merit of the Americans and Germans. Only in the picture of the world of Stalinist captains these facts do not want to fit. laughing

                Did they pull the eggs by a rope?
                Didn’t they voluntarily come to cut the point?
                The country paid them with a coin
            2. +12
              18 June 2018 09: 56
              Quote: professor
              Yah?

              Well yes:))))
              Quote: professor
              And not Americans, for example, built car factories, tractor plants?

              They were not investors :))))) We bought plants for our money
              1. +5
                18 June 2018 11: 00
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Quote: professor
                Yah?

                Well yes:))))
                Quote: professor
                And not Americans, for example, built car factories, tractor plants?

                They were not investors :))))) We bought plants for our money

                Your blood? They exported grain from Ukraine, creating artificial hunger there, and bought plants for the proceeds of the currency. Effective managers. Or they drove political prisoners to socialism without paying them a dime. Maybe all the same, not "their own blood", but "their bloody"?

                Quote: Gardamir
                And not Americans, for example, built car factories, tractor plants?
                The Great Depression, do you know that? Such a symbiosis was beneficial to everyone, we had enough personnel and working hands, they earned in Soviet Russia.

                Who argues that it was profitable for the bourgeois? The same Ford traded with Hitler. True, at Ford it was not only business, but also personal.

                Quote: badens1111
                Crowds of Americans were built right away. When do you stop lying? Can we look at the official number of American and other, Western engineers, by years, and then compare who actually built everything?

                The crowds? Who needs crowds? Our company built a factory in China 10 years ago. Now there is 1500 people working. The average salary is about $ 1000. Then there was $ 80. So, less than 10 specialists were enough to open the plant. Moreover, only 3 people lived directly in China for 2 years. The same thing happened with industrialization in the scoop. However, today they do not like to mention this.

                Tell us who built the GAZ. Then we will move on to the other "great" achievements of the Soviets.
                1. +10
                  18 June 2018 11: 20
                  Quote: professor
                  Your blood?

                  Ага.
                  Quote: professor
                  Exported grain from Ukraine

                  Ukraine is the same USSR as other republics
                  Quote: professor
                  creating artificial hunger there, and factories bought for the proceeds.

                  Pffff ... professor, that would be funny when it wasn't so sad. And what, in your opinion, all industrialization with us went to the money received from the seizures that led to the famine of 1932-33? Right now starting with 1928 g? Come on, under the income from the Holodomor, the Americans scored loans, or what? And what was taken out too much was enough for 41? :)))
                  Do you yourself don’t understand what kind of nonsense this is?
                  Quote: professor
                  Or they drove political prisoners to socialism without paying them a dime.

                  laughing good Another victim of Solzhenitsyn Detected. Professor, at your leisure, study the number of political prisoners in the USSR :)))))) You can at the same time compare with the number of prisoners in the modern Russian Federation. You will be unpleasantly surprised, I guarantee it :))))
                  Quote: professor
                  Our company built a factory in China 10 years ago. Now 1500 people work there. The average salary is about $ 1000. Then it was $ 80. So, less than 10 specialists were enough to open the plant.

                  and 1000 Chinese :))))
                  1. +1
                    18 June 2018 12: 37
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    and 1000 Chinese

                    According to the Chinese account, this is not significant.
                  2. +4
                    18 June 2018 14: 51
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    Ukraine is the same USSR as other republics

                    It’s strange. There was no famine in Georgia or Armenia, but it was in Ukraine.

                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    Pffff ... professor, that would be funny when it wasn't so sad. And what, in your opinion, all industrialization with us went to the money received from the seizures that led to the famine of 1932-33? Right now starting with 1928 g? Come on, under the income from the Holodomor, the Americans scored loans, or what? And what was taken out too much was enough for 41? :)))
                    Do you yourself don’t understand what kind of nonsense this is?

                    Did I write about "all industrialization"? The grain is behind the cordon, and the hunger itself. In the Donbass, the dispossessed coal in the mines are mined and he is behind the cordon. In Siberia, political prisoners are felled and they sell it for currency. And yes. The bourgeois were hired for this money. I do not think that there are those who want to repeat such a scenario. Although...

                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    Another victim of Solzhenitsyn Detected. Professor, at your leisure, study the number of political prisoners in the USSR :)))))) You can at the same time compare with the number of prisoners in the modern Russian Federation. You will be unpleasantly surprised, I guarantee it :))))

                    Solzhenitsyn is not credibility for me. And who I worked on the "construction sites of socialism" I know without him.


                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    and 1000 Chinese :))))

                    Not. ITRovtsev there is now a 100 person, but they would not have mastered technology without us. We painted everything down to such trifles as where to put the bin and what color the ballpoint pen should be.
                    1. +3
                      18 June 2018 15: 05
                      Quote: professor
                      It’s strange. There was no famine in Georgia or Armenia, but it was in Ukraine.

                      Also, the North Caucasus and Kazakhstan seized famine; there were very serious problems in my native Urals, as well as on the Volga, etc.
                      Quote: professor
                      Did I write about "all industrialization"? The grain is behind the cordon, and the hunger itself. In the Donbass, the dispossessed coal in the mines are mined and he is behind the cordon. In Siberia, political prisoners are felled and they sell it for currency.

                      And I repeat, translate your apocalyptic revelations into numbers :))) How many prisoners (and how many of them were watered) during the period of industrialization? :)))))))
                      Quote: professor
                      No. There are about 100 ITR specialists there, but they would not have mastered technology without us.

                      So, the Chinese were engaged in industrialization there - and you were hired as specialist consultants, and that’s all.
                      1. +2
                        18 June 2018 17: 54
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Also, the North Caucasus and Kazakhstan seized famine; there were very serious problems in my native Urals, as well as on the Volga, etc.

                        The Urals and the Volga region were never famous for their crops, but it was in Ukraine that all the bread was taken out. The most ridiculous thing is the amount of grain delivered abroad in those hungry years.

                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        And I repeat, translate your apocalyptic revelations into numbers :))) How many prisoners (and how many of them were watered) during the period of industrialization? :)))))))

                        What figure will impress you and who is your authority? Yuri Dmitriev authority?

                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        So, the Chinese were engaged in industrialization there - and you were hired as specialist consultants, and that’s all.

                        Of course, the Chinese, but ... for our money and our knowledge. Without us, they would have sowed rice as they had done for hundreds of years. Now we are going to open a branch in Vietnam and ... Chinese industrialization will collapse. Anyway, in our corporation in China. Today, a Chinese hard worker costs us $ 1000 per month. It is expensive.
                      2. 0
                        19 June 2018 21: 12
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        you were hired as specialist consultants, and only

                        Industrialization and do these same specialists. Not hard workers who follow the instructions of people who understand what is at stake
                2. +4
                  18 June 2018 14: 05
                  Quote: professor
                  They exported grain from Ukraine, creating artificial hunger there, and bought plants for the proceeds of the currency. Effective managers.

                  And guilty of all the insidious Jewish Bolsheviks, those who are from a sealed car. You quote, quote the training manual do not hesitate.
                  1. +1
                    18 June 2018 17: 13
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    Quote: professor
                    They exported grain from Ukraine, creating artificial hunger there, and bought plants for the proceeds of the currency. Effective managers.

                    And guilty of all the insidious Jewish Bolsheviks, those who are from a sealed car. You quote, quote the training manual do not hesitate.

                    And also steamers to Russia from the USA pulled in 20-30 times more than those that were sealed in the car, and immediately enrolled in the Bolsheviks.
                    PS I wonder what would these hundreds of professional revolutionaries do in the USA during the Great Depression if all these revolutions in Russia had not happened? Indeed, in the USA everything was almost ready - Trotsky and Sverdlov were relatives of multimillionaires and bankers, i.e. there was financing, there were newspapers, there were professional revolutionaries and professional militants. Plus, the revolutionary situation in the USA was approaching ....
                  2. 0
                    19 June 2018 21: 15
                    The Jews made a revolution, the Jews built the pyramids, the Jews own all the money, the Jews invented an atomic bomb for America and the Soviet Union, brought people into space, the Jews treat, the Jews sing, compose music and make films both in America and the USSR. You can go on forever
                    1. +1
                      20 June 2018 08: 23
                      Jews built the pyramids

                      Based on your logic, no. Jews dragged heavy stones following
                      instructions of people who understand what is at stake
                      those. egyptian priests request
                      1. 0
                        20 June 2018 19: 06
                        Not certainly in that way. Egyptians did not build pyramids
                3. +2
                  19 June 2018 17: 34
                  Quote: professor
                  They exported grain from Ukraine, creating artificial hunger there, and bought plants for the proceeds of the currency. Effective managers. Or they drove political prisoners to socialism without paying them a dime. Maybe all the same, not "their own blood", but "their bloody"?


                  It is immediately obvious that the PROFESSOR is a hater of everything Soviet. I think Russian. Dissident ... Most likely selling secrets to the west
                  1. +2
                    19 June 2018 21: 16
                    Most likely he is the author of these same secrets
            3. +7
              18 June 2018 10: 20
              And not Americans, for example, built car factories, tractor plants?
              The Great Depression, do you know that? Such a symbiosis was beneficial to everyone, we had enough personnel and working hands, they earned in Soviet Russia.
              1. +8
                18 June 2018 12: 51
                Quote: Gardamir
                The Great Depression, do you know that?

                Yes, that’s not the point. Simply, Stalin initially embarked on the idea that we should be able to produce everything on our own. And if so, then the first thing to learn was machine tool construction. But in Tsarist Russia, alas, we can say that it did not exist. The same is true for many other things - we chose imported analogs, bought equipment (or even a whole factory) for its production and forth ... then, after studying the imported samples, we took on our own :))))
                In general, the ancestors did everything wisely - if you don’t know how to do something yourself, buy, study, learn how to produce one, then improve it, then make your own. And to say that the Americans did industrialization - well, then the Americans made a Japanese miracle laughing
                1. +3
                  18 June 2018 12: 56
                  In general, the ancestors did everything wisely - if you don’t know how to do something yourself, buy, study, learn how to produce one, then improve it, then make your own.
                  I agree.
                2. 0
                  19 June 2018 21: 17
                  industrialization in the USSR made the Americans
                  1. +2
                    20 June 2018 09: 34
                    Quote: Halkalak
                    industrialization in the USSR made the Americans

                    industrialization in the USSR was carried out by Stalin
                    1. 0
                      20 June 2018 19: 08
                      Of course, the Americans did not crawl into the USSR with the drawings of their factories and did not rush to drive the crowds of slaves to build them
            4. +8
              18 June 2018 10: 21
              Quote: professor
              And not Americans, for example, built car factories, tractor plants? Didn't the Americans build transib?

              Crowds of Americans were built right away. When do you stop lying? Can we look at the official number of American and other, Western engineers, by years, and then compare who actually built everything?
              Aren't you the author of this wretched blocic?
              https://ru-crazy-news.livejournal.com/444164.html
              Or are you from such handicrafts concocted in hatred of Russia, scooping all your meager knowledge insisted on just the bestial hatred of Russia?
              Can you still talk about your dubious-exalted role in building a country?
              It is better to read those who understand what it really was, http://ruskline.ru/news_rl/2014/02/11/zagadki_i_m
              ify_sovetskoj_industrializacii_2 /
              than to read yours, of dubious kind and directly black myths.
              http://politrussia.com/ekonomika/razbor-liberalny
              kh-mifov-229 /
              The last link is a reminder that all of your writings are here, from time to time does not change.
              1. 0
                19 June 2018 21: 20
                No, of course, crowds of Americans did not build factories, wrong. Crowds of camp slaves and workers, not much different from slaves, under the guidance of American engineers and specialists, built factories and installed American equipment.
            5. +2
              18 June 2018 12: 49
              Quote: professor
              Quote: Captain Pushkin
              Before World War II, in the USSR, every 8 hours a new plant was commissioned, three plants per day, 24 per week, 1250 new plants per year. And this is without any "foreign investors".

              Yah? And not Americans, for example, built car factories, tractor plants? Didn't the Americans build transib?

              The question is not who built it, but on whose money? What is the factory built after the revolution in American, or other, finances.
            6. +5
              18 June 2018 12: 55
              professor (Oleg Sokolov) Today, 09:51 Sour cabbage soup you are a professor. Yes
            7. +2
              18 June 2018 17: 19
              Quote: professor
              Quote: Captain Pushkin
              Before World War II, in the USSR, every 8 hours a new plant was commissioned, three plants per day, 24 per week, 1250 new plants per year. And this is without any "foreign investors".

              Yah? And not Americans, for example, built car factories, tractor plants? Didn't the Americans build transib?

              Could you tell us more specifically about the Americans at the construction sites of the first five-year plans of the USSR?
          2. +1
            18 June 2018 11: 07
            Where were these plants introduced, what was produced at them, and how many factories were created?
            1. +2
              18 June 2018 13: 09
              Quote: neofit962
              Where were these plants introduced, what was produced at them, and how many factories were created?

              In total, more than 1922 industrial enterprises were commissioned from 1941 to 5000.
              Some: Moscow and Gorky car factories, Magnitogorsk and Norilsk metallurgical plants, DneproGES, Moscow, Gorky, Voronezh, Kuibyshevsky, Kharkov, Tbilisi aircraft plants, Leningrad, Kharkov and Nizhny Tagil tank plants, the shipping channel Moscow-Volga, coal mines and many other coal mines Kguz - A lot of things, without which it would definitely not have been possible to win at the Second World War.
          3. 0
            18 June 2018 12: 58
            Quote: Captain Pushkin
            Before World War II, a new plant was commissioned every 8 hours in the USSR, three plants a day, 24 a week, 1250 new plants a year

            I do not deny the fact of industrialization. Under Stalin, tremendous work was done, albeit at the cost of many thousands of lives. I don’t think that now people will be happy with such methods, but then they played a role. But now the stink will rise, regarding "Stalin - the murderer")))
            1. +3
              18 June 2018 17: 49
              Quote: raw174
              Quote: Captain Pushkin
              Before World War II, a new plant was commissioned every 8 hours in the USSR, three plants a day, 24 a week, 1250 new plants a year

              I do not deny the fact of industrialization. Under Stalin, tremendous work was done, albeit at the cost of many thousands of lives. I don’t think that now people will be happy with such methods, but then they played a role. But now the stink will rise, regarding "Stalin - the murderer")))

              Already rose. Do not pay attention. Note anti-advisers is a clinic.
          4. 0
            18 June 2018 13: 07
            Quote: Captain Pushkin
            every 8 hours a new plant was commissioned

            Well, you probably lost it ... Something a lot ...
            1. 0
              18 June 2018 17: 15
              Quote: raw174
              Quote: Captain Pushkin
              every 8 hours a new plant was commissioned

              Well, you probably lost it ... Something a lot ...

              Not at all.
          5. 0
            18 June 2018 15: 25
            Now enterprises are being commissioned no less than last year, about 1000.
        2. +3
          18 June 2018 10: 04
          What does it mean from scratch? Was there no industry, no agriculture, no science? "Wild field" probably? And where is your “Transsiberian”, where is the replaced “Vologda oil”, where is the periodic table? Where are the Sikorsky planes, where is Popov’s radio? Savages probably opened, since from scratch it all started. 70 years is not enough! In the 60s, Khrushchev trumpeted that communism would be largely built by 1980. Brezhnev was more modest - "developed socialism" .. The horizons moved away for 200-300 years so that no one remembered what the "founders" said ...
          1. +6
            18 June 2018 10: 21
            What does it mean from scratch?
            And this means that the current ones dream of ruining and destroying everything that was before 1991.
          2. +6
            18 June 2018 11: 15
            Quote: neofit962
            In the 60s, Khrushchev trumpeted that communism would be largely built by 1980.

            GDP also trumpeted that there would be no increase in the retirement age. So what?
            1. +2
              18 June 2018 18: 10
              "The GDP also trumpeted that there would be no increase in the retirement age. So what? - And has the law been adopted in final reading and entered into force officially?"
        3. 0
          18 June 2018 12: 53
          Quote: free
          and what would happen if there were no wars !?

          This we will never know ...
          Quote: free
          And the USSR did not collapse on its own, the USSR was deliberately ruined!

          It does not matter. The USSR could not stand the competition, it was eaten inside and out ...
          Quote: free
          You somehow missed that the country of the USSR began from 0 (zero) practically

          Well, not from 0, tsarist Russia also had a certain potential.
          1. 0
            18 June 2018 15: 46
            Quote: raw174
            Quote: free
            And the USSR did not collapse on its own, the USSR was deliberately ruined!
            It does not matter. The USSR could not stand the competition, it was eaten inside and out ...


            It doesn’t matter - stopping the cutter with your left hand, Rabbi said
            to the question where he lost his right
        4. 0
          19 June 2018 13: 12
          Quote: free
          You somehow missed that the country of the USSR began from 0 (zero) practically and filling the market with sausage, machines and other things while investing in science and technology costs time and money! Of the 70 years, most of this is war and come to your senses after them, and what it would be if there were no wars!? And the USSR did not fall apart on its own, the USSR was purposefully collapsed!

          These are all enemies!
          Enemies ruined the country twice: in 1917, plus organizing a civil war with the extermination of the Russian people from both sides, and in 1991, organizing the destruction of industry, and in addition alcoholization, plus drug addiction ...
          And in the first and in the second case, the "God-chosen" Zionofashists ruled everything
      3. +6
        18 June 2018 09: 10
        Quote: raw174
        Enough to set the USSR as an example, especially in the economy.

        The economy of the USSR was the second in the world, and it collapsed as a result of the betrayal of part of the party elite
        1. +4
          18 June 2018 10: 00
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          as a result of the betrayal of part of the party elite

          Parts of the party nomenclature, the intelligentsia and crime, more precisely.
          The rotting of the party nomenclature was initiated by Khrushchev, the sixties, a carefully cultivated tumor in the intelligentsia, grew into the ultimate cancer of the brain of this intelligentsia, which ultimately resulted in a complete denial of the country in which they were learned, with crime and so it’s clear where I’m alive, there is always crime.
          1. +3
            18 June 2018 10: 22
            Parts of the party nomenclature, the intelligentsia and crime, more precisely.
            tell about today's.
            1. +5
              18 June 2018 10: 47
              Quote: Gardamir
              about today.

              I hope you read a lot, I think that you read and this is the “Russians. The Last Frontier” by Avt. B. Mironov.
              Read, you have all the names there, with a description of all the dubious feats of others here, smearing the USSR \ Russia in black, are described in detail.
              In the book, of course, there are controversial points, but what is said about the fuss of a certain part of the intelligentsia, former partocrats and crime around the bush, is clearly written.
              You can cite a number of books, not necessarily of this author, since his name and some ideological elements are not terribly pleasant, but for example, S. Kara-Murzu, quite clearly writes to whom we owe the dubious pleasure to the present mess.
              You can read even Poltoranin, "Power in TNT equivalent." You will find a lot for yourself ..
              You can remember Ilyukhin, the same does not hurt.
        2. 0
          18 June 2018 11: 08
          What did this "second" economy produce?
        3. +1
          18 June 2018 13: 10
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          and he fell apart as a result of the betrayal of part of the party elite

          Which was sent from Mars ...
          1. +2
            18 June 2018 14: 11
            Quote: raw174
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            and he fell apart as a result of the betrayal of part of the party elite

            Which was sent from Mars ...

            Which bought the western "cookies"
          2. 0
            19 June 2018 13: 15
            Quote: raw174
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            and he fell apart as a result of the betrayal of part of the party elite

            Which was sent from Mars ...


            Envoys of Anglo-Saxon Hasidic Jews
            1. 0
              19 June 2018 13: 35
              Quote: Alber
              Envoys of Anglo-Saxon Hasidic Jews

              And what are not reptilians and anunaki? All party functionaries were nurtured in the Union, now Navalny is tearing to power with the Yelsk technical school, and then they were all their own, only they apparently understood the impossibility of the onset of communist enlightenment and surrendered everything with giblets, snatching a jackpot.
  3. +12
    18 June 2018 06: 21
    How to build an economy in the family, that is, in the state, having a dad - the only hard worker and five sons - majors? What to hope for with this model?
  4. +16
    18 June 2018 06: 36
    Dear Andrey! You wrote an article in an unusual role. And what you described in the first part a long time ago and was not once proposed, but as you can see the government does not respond to this. As we all saw, the state selectively deals with protectionism. To ensure equal conditions, it is necessary to change the system itself, which unfortunately is not capable of modernizing itself. Well, against the backdrop of future initiatives of the government and the Bank of Russia, the reorganization of the system is absolutely not an achievable goal.
    1. +10
      18 June 2018 09: 58
      Quote: Nehist
      Dear Andrey! You wrote an article in an unusual role

      Yes, not that :)))) Sometimes I write and this, only rarely
      Quote: Nehist
      Well, against the backdrop of future initiatives of the government and the Bank of Russia, the reorganization of the system is absolutely not an achievable goal.

      That is yes. But people should at least understand what they need to do, and what the government does.
      1. 0
        18 June 2018 11: 08
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Yes, not that :)))) Sometimes I write and this, only rarely

        Andrew!!! Write better about the fleet and history !!! You get it great)))
    2. +1
      18 June 2018 10: 54
      A simplified view of the economy will not allow us to develop real proposals for its development.
      Just for an example: why there are no sufficiently effective investment projects that are interesting to banks - who should give loans without the risk of losing money?
      And why do they withdraw money from the country - what are the reasons?
      Trying to explain complex processes with “simple words" is a waste of time. if the author wants to break his forehead - then .......
      1. +3
        18 June 2018 11: 08
        Quote: Victor N
        Just for an example: why there are no sufficiently effective investment projects that are interesting to banks - who should give loans without the risk of losing money?

        For the reasons stated above. Enterprises are in a permanent crisis, due to lack of money supply and exchange rate hops. As a result, any estimates for several years to come are worthless.
        Accordingly, the bank is not interested in the investment project, he is interested in the one who implements it. There is only one question for the bank - will the enterprise be able to pay the loan if the investment project is unsuccessful?
        Quote: Victor N
        And why do they withdraw money from the country - what are the reasons?

        They are not excreted.
        Quote: Victor N
        Trying to explain complex processes with “simple words" is a waste of time.

        I would say - a sign of professionalism :)))
  5. +3
    18 June 2018 07: 17
    One more thing, I won’t talk about corruption, and so it’s understandable, it is advisable to create territorial clusters by industry, our country is large and with scattered enterprises there will be a very large operating cycle, which is now unacceptable.
  6. +2
    18 June 2018 08: 06
    new (more precisely, the old composition of the government)

    This is a colonial administration, it works as it should, why change it?
  7. +14
    18 June 2018 08: 11
    To begin with, we need to get rid of the leadership of the country, which for 20 years has not been able to organize a situation in the country in which it would be beneficial to develop the country, they have proved that they either cannot or do not want to do this. Despite the surnames, including all those who are close to them, children, wives, friends, matchmakers and divorced wives, including ... I will not name them everyone will know ...
    1. +1
      18 June 2018 15: 44
      “For starters, we need to get rid of the leadership of the country, which for 20 years has not been able to organize a situation in the country in which it would be beneficial to develop the country” - What are the high words, though there is a void behind them - since 2000, 7 nuclear power plants were built in Russia, 90 Hydroelectric power stations, thermal power plants, state district power stations of SES, 900 bridges, 39000 enterprises and factories, from small to large, modernized the army, GDP increased from 7 trillion in 2000 to 92 trillion in 2018, the number of poor fell from 45 million to 20 over the same period. 8 ports and 9000 kilometers of railways were put into operation, agriculture showed seven-fold growth in almost all respects, further investments in the Russian economy and infrastructure by the 30th year will amount to more than 100 trillion rubles.
      1. +7
        18 June 2018 18: 19
        Quote: Vadim237
        since 2000, 7 nuclear power plants, 90 hydroelectric power stations, thermal power plants, state district power plants

        I especially liked about 7 nuclear power plants. In fact, of course, no one has commissioned any 7 nuclear power plants - 7 power units have been commissioned, and this is never the same thing. No nuclear power plants were built. By the way, during the same time 2 nuclear power plants with 3 power units were decommissioned.
        1. +1
          18 June 2018 22: 26
          New units have been built and continue to be commissioned - Baltic NPP, Leningrad NPP 2, Novovoronezh NPP 2, Floating NPP Akademik Lomonosov.
          1. +3
            19 June 2018 17: 33
            Quote: Vadim237
            Built and continue to introduce new blocks -

            List the NPPs put into operation since 2000 :)))) I repeat once again - seven, this is the number of power units, not NPPs
      2. +1
        19 June 2018 13: 20
        Quote: Vadim237
        since 2000, 7 nuclear power plants, 90 hydroelectric power stations, thermal power plants, state district power stations, 900 bridges, 39000 enterprises and factories, from small to large, have been built in Russia, the army has been modernized, GDP has increased from 7 trillion in 2000 to 92 trillion in 2018, the number of poor per the same period decreased from 45 million to 20, 8 ports and 9000 kilometers of railways were put into operation, agriculture showed seven-fold growth in almost all respects, further investments in the Russian economy and infrastructure by the 30th year will amount to more than 100 trillion rubles.

        So it seems like an empty nonsense ...
        Chattering problems and fooling it in the spirit of the current stuck in power
        1. 0
          19 June 2018 17: 26
          No nonsense - everything is official and all this is actually visible.
          1. +1
            20 June 2018 21: 32
            In fact, a huge number of unemployed and scanty salaries, huge taxes and a constant increase in dollar millionaires in Russia are visible. After that, the state cannot collect taxes for normal functioning, which is why it is trying to raise the retirement age because of which I generally do not retire. And all this against the background of your excellent reports on achievements. It may not be that and that, someone apparently lying, but I'm sure that not me.
            1. 0
              21 June 2018 21: 52
              Well, it’s far from a secret that the unemployed work for us.
  8. +10
    18 June 2018 08: 18
    Even those who in the last election voted for V.V. Putin, met a new (or rather, the old composition of the government) with poorly hidden disappointment

    Some strange people thought that if Putin was elected president, he would change the government, although Putin personally said that he was pleased with the government, which clearly speaks of the mental abilities of this contingent ...

    But there is such a good rule of discussion: if you criticize, offer it! It’s easy to scold our government for its economic failures, and you try to offer

    Why ask readers? If there are people in the government who offer a real way out of this situation, Shein, for example, but simply the majority in the government belongs to the ruling party, and their proposals go down the toilet ...
    1. +7
      18 June 2018 09: 59
      Quote: Shurale
      Why ask readers?

      "Criticize - offer!" the author addressed not to the reader, but to himself - the article is just an attempt to "offer" :))))
      1. +2
        18 June 2018 17: 21
        the article is just an attempt to "offer"


        Why offer something? They pretended to order a cabinet of ministers in China with the president in the kit. And cheaply, and most importantly - they know what to do. .
        Here is a problem only. Lenin, Stalin are respected, and Solzhenitsin and Jews do not like. request
        1. 0
          19 June 2018 13: 27
          Quote: dauria
          Here is a problem only. Lenin, Stalin are respected, and Solzhenitsin and Jews do not like.

          Not yours.
          For example, I respect decent Jews. But impudent grabbers, rummaging for power and the Zionofascist-hater, on the contrary, would have brought to trial both Novaya Zemlya or Magadan, to destroy the rocks in mines and mines with a kyle.
          Solzhenitsyn your was a dishonorable man, and even a snitch
          1. 0
            19 June 2018 13: 38
            For example, I respect decent Jews.


            To my health, I also like decent people. (And not only Jews). It's about the Chinese. See how many Jews they have left in the country. Less than us Ussuri tigers. It's time to put in the red book. They purposefully survive from the country. Without ads and hype. For what ? Ask the Chinese.
            1. 0
              19 June 2018 16: 54
              Quote: dauria
              It's about the Chinese. See how many Jews they have left in the country. Less than us Ussuri tigers. It's time to put in the red book. They purposefully survive from the country. Without ads and hype. For what ? Ask the Chinese.

              I would be glad. Well, to my shame, I don’t know Chinese ...)
              And why do their chinas survive, you tell us?
          2. 0
            20 June 2018 19: 14
            Quote: Alber
            For example, I respect decent Jews. But impudent grabbers, rummaging for power and the Zionofascist-hater, on the contrary, would have brought to trial both Novaya Zemlya or Magadan, to destroy the rocks in mines and mines with a kyle.

            But what if the Russian arrogant grabber to vomit a great-hated man-hater who has made his way to power? But there are so many of them. Will you also rub them into camp dust? Or still your log is not visible in the eye
  9. +5
    18 June 2018 08: 24
    lies in the fact that no economic gain can outweigh the country's security considerations

    economic benefit, for the Russian Federation it is garbage, the main thing security of their capital, yachts and estates.
  10. +2
    18 June 2018 08: 27
    These five goals have been proposed before ... It will be interesting to read how to realize them ...
  11. +7
    18 June 2018 08: 31
    An interesting, informative article. But the conclusion on reading suggests this, we have not a government, but a colonial administration.
  12. +3
    18 June 2018 08: 41
    "As a result, a vicious circle is formed - Sukhoi cannot deploy a worldwide network of" support "because it requires money that could bring him large-scale sales of aircraft, but there will be no sales until the service is provided." Nonsense. It's not about the money, even if they overwhelm Sukhoi. The main thing is a long-term international image of an aircraft manufacturer. Even if Sukhoi comes out on plane prices slightly lower than Boeing and Airbus, in the presence of collateral warehouses, the buyer will still prefer not him. Well, how can you compare Boeing - the annual production of more than 700 aircraft, Airbus - more than 500 aircraft and Sukhoi - a maximum of 40-50 aircraft? And with so many planes pushing the competition?
    1. +1
      18 June 2018 09: 07
      Superjets are not competitors to Boeing and Airbuses, because the planes are short-haul, of small capacity. In this market, Sukhoi competitors Embraer and Bombardier hi
  13. +10
    18 June 2018 09: 05
    Well, Grudinin’s program included similar items from the article, but the people didn’t appreciate it and chose to vote for Putin, who didn’t present any program at all.
    1. +1
      18 June 2018 09: 07
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      but people did not appreciate

      Who is Grudinin? Offshore Millionaire
  14. +2
    18 June 2018 09: 07
    The article does not say a word about the shadow economy - gray wages, self-employed, clandestine producers of alcohol, cigarettes, performance of work and services without registration and payment of taxes, etc. In the Russian Federation, the able-bodied population is 77 million, and taxes are paid only by 43 million. This is where the main reserves for increasing budget revenues are.
    1. +7
      18 June 2018 09: 37
      And then what is the state with its huge fiscal and power apparatus? So let them do their own thing! So that the economy is not gray, laws need to be implemented normally and not edited after adoption by by-laws, after which the normal law becomes unknown
    2. +5
      18 June 2018 10: 08
      Quote: vlad007
      The article does not say a word about the shadow economy - gray wages, self-employed, clandestine producers of alcohol, cigarettes, performance of work and services without registration and payment of taxes, etc.

      The reason is simple - there will be a normal economic situation, shadow companies will come out of the shadows. Actually, they are now clogging there mainly because otherwise they can’t survive
      Quote: vlad007
      This is where the main reserves for increasing budget revenues.

      Our task is not to increase budget revenues (in this, of course, but still), but to create a strong economy - filling the budget is one of the criteria.
      And now - well, how do you pull up the self-employed, tax them, and they will go bankrupt, and the budget will really get little, and the purchasing power of the population will decrease again
      1. +1
        18 June 2018 15: 58
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        The reason is simple - there will be a normal economic situation, shadow companies will come out of the shadows.

        What kind of glamorous thoughts? If you have the choice to receive 100000 per day and receive 200000 per day under the same conditions, what will you choose? Without fear of punishment in life, no one will come out of the shadows!
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    4. +1
      19 June 2018 17: 07
      Quote: vlad007
      The article does not say a word about the shadow economy - gray wages, self-employed, clandestine producers of alcohol, cigarettes, performance of work and services without registration and payment of taxes, etc. In the Russian Federation, the able-bodied population is 77 million, and taxes are paid only by 43 million. This is where the main reserves for increasing budget revenues are.

      Y-yes ...
      34 million official deviators! Those. crooks in other words, swindlers. In fact, of course, they are much more than 34 million.
      Perhaps yes! Good resers. A good increase in the budget of the country. It would be necessary to force these crooks to deposit the stolen denyuzhki on state accounts.
      Only I'm afraid the will is not enough for the guarantor to shake them for the "udder" ...
  15. +10
    18 June 2018 09: 10
    Yes, we will not build nichrome while oligarchic capital is in power, and the basis of the social elevator is nepotism, and not personal qualities.
    The biggest dirty trick that Khrushchev did was destroy Stalin’s multi-layered economy, and everything started to roll .... And now, on every corner, those in power are yelling about the need to develop small and medium-sized businesses, but they are strangling, strangling, strangling ....
  16. +8
    18 June 2018 09: 19
    Putin is not Roosevelt, much less Stalin. But the tasks are the same. The government is terrified ... something needs to be done, the key is to do it. Cutting loot on exchanges is much calmer, and investing it in the exchange is a nonsense. Shamies with the global financial industry have not brought anyone to good, Lenin, Stalin, etc., Russia wants to be a rentier ..., well, well. The correct article, you cannot succeed only in realizing it ..., DO NOT want to have your own financial industry, you will pay someone else's. The horde is financial, not much different from the golden one. Russian finances are not oriented and weakly connected with the Russian economy, Roosevelt was able to tie them in his time, Stalin is the same, but not so high quality, whether the current Russian administration can do something - this is a question, and will the real leadership of Russia decide on what or steps in that direction are an even bigger question. Independence - they don’t joke with it, but getting interest - it’s calmer.
    1. +7
      18 June 2018 09: 39
      Here the question is different !!!
      Quote: wooja
      can the current Russian administration do something

      Does she want to do something? !!!
    2. +7
      18 June 2018 11: 12
      Why develop industry, rarely anyone has a profitability of 20-30%, but the bank gave a loan at 20% and here is the profitability for you, it didn’t produce anything, what kind of profit do you have !!!
  17. +5
    18 June 2018 09: 23
    Quote: wooja
    Russian finances are not oriented and weakly connected with the Russian economy, Roosevelt was able to tie them in his time, Stalin is the same, but not so high quality

    Do not sing the praises of Roosevelt, copying the experience of Stalin. With all the tapante, Roosevelt is no match for Stalin.
    Finances in the USSR under Stalin performed only that role and in the way that was beneficial to the country.
    Now, this whole financial horde is working against the country, it is a fact that you cannot go around and camouflage.
    1. +2
      18 June 2018 11: 16
      What role did finance play under Stalin? Only lived for several years without cards and without loans for restoration? Loans were taken up to half the salary, and given back in the 80s ... More slave labor in the Gulag ..
  18. +4
    18 June 2018 09: 49
    To have a strong economy, it is necessary to change the economic model, the liberal-monetary model no longer works. The current government is not capable of this.
  19. 0
    18 June 2018 09: 51
    what praises, Roosevelt is still that dark horse, Stalin didn’t have transparency either, but they did something similar, the conditions varied, though the goals were different but the paths coincided at some point, I think the current Russian leadership is standing on widely spread legs ..., movement in any direction is difficult .... it thinks ... as always ... (Chernomyrdin)
  20. +4
    18 June 2018 10: 07
    It seems that our country is no different from other colonies of the West. And our confrontation is only the confrontation of world oligarchic clans. Everything else is tinsel for the average person.
  21. +4
    18 June 2018 10: 13
    As long as we do not have a stable (following the example of the American) political and judicial system, all this talk about the economy is meaningless. Like it or not, we raw material periphery of the West, well, we still want to diversify and be a raw materials appendage of China. Who will be interested in the ruble in the context of carry trade at a rate of 4 percent, for example? The Fed has already brought its own to 2 percent. So over the past 100 years, count what happened with the ruble, and with the dollar, what are the risks here and there.
  22. +7
    18 June 2018 10: 17
    The author is certainly right, only those who depend on this economy do not need such articles.
    It is interesting how supporters of Putin-Medvedev will refute the above.
  23. +4
    18 June 2018 10: 18
    The first thing we need is a stable exchange rate of the national currency
    personal responsibility of officials at all levels and control over them (did not manage - goodbye), so as not to produce vice prime ministers for the construction of turbidity (professional skills are more important than personal devotion). with normal staff and the ruble will be stable. nationalization of mineral resources (if I remember correctly, then in Sweden, then deeper than 1 meter underground belongs to the state (Sweden is a constitutional monarchy) and the fight against corruption at all levels is very important. , then already "life will become better, life will become more fun" ...
  24. +5
    18 June 2018 10: 23
    I would like to express gratitude and appreciation to the author. Some theses are debatable, but in general - a reasoned opinion and a thorough approach. The article is programmatic in nature, but with a comprehensive analysis, and this is better incomparably than shouts in the style of "everything is bad."
    1. +1
      18 June 2018 10: 48
      Quote: Faceless
      The article is programmatic in nature, but with a comprehensive analysis, and this is better incomparably than shouts in the style of "everything is bad."

      Thank you!
  25. +4
    18 June 2018 10: 37
    all 5 proposals are not realistic for the execution of our power, because the goals of the people and the authorities are different. The people survive. in power, grab and keep stolen, and at any cost. Do not idealize Putin, he is a slave to the system that he himself created. And he is no different from Medvedev or Kudrin.
    The author is well done, thanks. But there is no prophet in his own country
    1. +5
      18 June 2018 10: 48
      Quote: Silvestr
      all 5 offers are not realistic for execution by our authorities

      That's right. And they are written not in the hope of moving something higher, but so that people do not forget about what the government really needs to do
      1. +2
        18 June 2018 10: 49
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        and so that people do not forget about what the government really needs to do

        people remember that, but those who came to power do not want to know about it. thank
  26. +4
    18 June 2018 11: 06
    Very simple.
    To return the 1937 constitution, this will immediately liberate the country from the Medvedev and Boulin Chubais and other butler, and from the pederastist intelligentsia and from the useful corrupt scum.
    Start implementing the Stalin Economic Program. After World War II, this program raised the country from ruins. Will pick it up now, especially since it has already been worked out.
    Nationalize banks, enterprises for the extraction of raw materials - gas, oil, minerals. Cancel concessions plundering Russian property.
    That's all. Of course it would be nice to send the liberoid to WORK, but you can do better by throwing it to the place where they stole the stolen money. There are enough ice axes in the country.
  27. 0
    18 June 2018 11: 38
    But there is such a good rule of discussion: criticize - offer! It is easy to blame our government for its economic failures, and you try to suggest how to turn Russia into an economic paradise on earth. And so, in this article we are offering you, we will try to do it.
    Having read up to this paragraph, I realized that further reading is not worth it.
    Why?
    Because all our statements, wishes, projects remind me of the moaning of a beggar standing in front of a high fence, behind whom they live, drink and eat in three throats, and advises people walking to be careful with food and drink, so as not to harm their health.
    Nobody will listen to any of our hoteliers.
    For the goal was previously - to enrich.
    And now affirm.
    Arrived.
    Take off your jacket.
    1. +4
      18 June 2018 12: 53
      Quote: demo
      Nobody will listen to any of our hoteliers.

      Naturally. But in this situation, it would be nice to begin with, we ourselves do not forget what exactly we need. For that and the article
  28. +3
    18 June 2018 11: 47
    ECONOMIC GROWTH IS NOT NEEDED FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH, AND FOR PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY A PROSPECTS APPEARED.
  29. +8
    18 June 2018 12: 02
    Article plus. The problem of the development of industry is correctly identified. I will criticize here I will not add anything from myself:
    1. For the loan rate to be low, the Central Bank refinancing rate must be low.
    2. In order not to accelerate inflation, a law on superprofits is needed, which would limit the rate of profit of producers and intermediaries and sellers. Everything that exceeds the established profit threshold should be confiscated by the state, and the entrepreneur or company will be fined.
    3. Most importantly, for citizens to be able to buy manufactured goods, salaries should be decent, but there should not be a big gap in the amount of salaries between the smallest and the largest, no more than 15 times.
    4. For agriculture, remove all taxes except the tax on agricultural land. It should be increased within reasonable limits. Then the producer will be interested in the maximum use of land, will develop all sectors of agricultural production.
    5. Protectionism for the Russian manufacturer. Everything that is produced in Russia should not be imported from abroad, or set high customs duties on such goods. There are no duties on technology and capital at all.
    1. 0
      18 June 2018 20: 31
      Quote: uskrabut
      Article plus. The problem of industrial development is correctly identified.

      on any point that you propose there will be a bloody revolution, especially on the first
  30. +2
    18 June 2018 12: 34
    Russia already had a strong economy ...
  31. +2
    18 June 2018 12: 45
    For a very long time, the economic policy of the government of the Russian Federation has been subjected, we shall not be afraid of the word, to general criticism

    However, the bold author was not afraid to join the general criticism of the government. And boldly offered him, the government, already 5 goals that, it, the government should achieve by promising that it would add to these goals the technology to achieve them. In the next article.

    The case is small, it is required that the Government read topwar.ru, penetrate, these goals are taken by the author and the supply, so that God doesn’t confuse anything with the goals, methods, means and other managerial parameters for his new, glorious and effective work on next 6 years and beyond.

    The publication resembles the Chekhov letter of a retired noble officer, Vasily Semi-Bulatov, to a learned neighbor about the moon, that on the moon, that is, for a month, people and tribes live and inhabit ...
    1. +3
      18 June 2018 13: 27
      Quote: akudr48
      The case is small, it is required that the Government read topwar.ru, penetrate, take these goals for support and the author for supply

      We both know this will never happen. These articles, of course, are completely unnecessary for the government. But ordinary people need them, just to tell them what our government really needs to do.
      Quote: akudr48
      The publication resembles the Chekhov letter of a retired noble officer, Vasily Semi-Bulatov, to a learned neighbor about the moon, that on the moon, that is, for a month, people and tribes live and inhabit ...

      That is, you believe that the government is doing everything right, and the article says nonsense, not worth attention. No problem, we have a free country (as yet). However, I note that the comparison with Chekhov, for all his poetry, is completely not reasoned economically :)
  32. +6
    18 June 2018 13: 56
    Sensibly and laconic (for such a serious topic). I look forward to continuing.
    And if the author still offers a mechanism on how to oblige the government to move in this direction, then I will be the first to vote for it in the 24th year.
  33. 0
    18 June 2018 14: 08
    The country has all the conditions for success, but there is no leader, there is no idea, the correct article from the series "How can we arrange ...", we will wait for the kick as usual, then hit the feat, then deal with the side effects of the feat .... Creation an independent financial system is not an easy thing, not fast, but you can’t stand, there are few roads, the concentration of fools on them is growing rapidly, shock road construction will make the country more reasonable, maybe then financial policy will grow wiser. And so we will hope for the best ... In the meantime, the exchange is more attractive ... and the money acquired in 90 smell ...
  34. +2
    18 June 2018 14: 11
    I agree with the author ... But there is one more point necessary for economic growth ... Namely, high salaries of workers .. It is this factor that allows money to circulate in the economy without bubbles (whatever you may say, but banks with their money animation are bubbles. That is why there are so many banks in our country) .. As an example, Henry Ford, in our country he is known for the conveyor and brand of cars, but his financial activities are forgotten, namely the understanding that he is only a well-earned person (he set salaries at the time) far exceeding the mole in the USA) can afford to buy goods! Otherwise, the country becomes nothing more than a “workplace”, a place of living labor, and not development ..
  35. +1
    18 June 2018 15: 11
    Without the nationalization of enterprises developing mineral resources and at the same time, the return to the Constitution of Ideology will not work. And this is a revolution. hi
  36. +3
    18 June 2018 16: 16
    Dear Andrey, it's easy to do what you write about. It is necessary to do as we did in Chelyabinsk (1978-1982) PO Poletz grew from 4 thousand slaves to 16 thousand. They worked in three shifts. The shift factor of CNC and HAP machines was higher than 2, 54. If the General Director is less, V. Ileiko M. (a talented leader) was explained to me in detail. Over the years, branches of PO Polet were created in Makhach Kale, Cherkessk and other cities. This is how we worked. There were salaries, housing, sports, study. The average age of specialists was at the level of 38 years. And now PO Polet JSC has no more than 1 thousand specialists working in Chelyabinsk. Moreover, the RF Ministry of Defense initiated criminal proceedings against him.
    1. +3
      18 June 2018 17: 18
      Quote: midshipman
      It is necessary to do as we did in Chelyabinsk (1978-1982)

      With all due respect, but ... still, the times were different. A "Flight" yes ... passed
      1. +1
        18 June 2018 22: 24
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        A "Flight" yes ... passed

        he did not surrender, he was surrendered. The whole country tore the rubles and sold for dollars. I think the dollar exchange rate favorable to a foreign producer is to blame for everything; with such a rate, we cannot produce anything. The dollar must be very expensive.
        1. +2
          19 June 2018 12: 18
          It is better that there is no course of cut paper in Russia. Well okromya Vneshtorg.
  37. 0
    18 June 2018 16: 59
    They must realize it in such volumes in order to earn profits that ensure expanded reproduction: that is, enterprises should have enough profits not only for current activities and dividends to shareholders, but also for investment and expansion of production.
    Uncle Kudrin, log in! To whom do these enterprises, subject to all the crazy stuff listed in the article, start selling goods in huge volumes?
    Over the hill? They have their own sea there, why buy ours? Even if they will be slightly cheaper, the world will build customs barriers anew, and in general, they will not let us go anywhere without barriers, except with oil and gas. Inland? Subject to all the conditions listed in the article, the Russian person will remain poor as ... like ... like Russian! There is no market here other than Moscow to provide expanded reproduction.
    Our officials do not understand so much that they are turning back, which is already wonderful. Are you still humans, or are you completely zombies, guys?
  38. +6
    18 June 2018 17: 33
    We’ve already been discussing a quarter of a century, can it be time to do something with pens, or will we continue to hold forums and listen to the clever speeches of people who betrayed and killed the state and organized the subsequent robbery of the country and the genocide of the people, unprecedented in human history? It’s not time, because the education and upbringing system, after “successful” reforms, has been stamping for generations, providing services and cleaning out the remnants of natural ingenuity, the crowds of “advanced” lumpen consumers. An advanced consumer, like an effective manager, like a ghoul to creative and creative work is not capable, as well as to the concept of honor and conscience. A living example is our garbage-beau monde, TV, theater and cinema - the so-called an art where women are allowed to go around in a circle, where the programs of the central channels fell with their dances on coffins and those aging aging, second-hand presenters, lovers of depraved little girls such as the Shurygin, shows and shows where commercials were shot better in terms of art, better below TNT with its endless brothel 2. Where the whole elite has a house abroad, children abroad, conscience abroad. All these people older than 50 are oath-criminals, assuming office or wearing epaulets, they all swore allegiance to the country and people, they all betrayed the people and the country, and who, if they remember, what was said in the last sentence of the military oath of the USSR Armed Forces, which all healthy and capable men and many women gave without exception, am I still silent about the oaths of pioneers, Komsomol members and communists that are fashionable to renounce today? People who are hired by 10% to protect their interests and those of their owners creatively cannot professionally resolve these issues, there is no need, bills, houses in Miami and your favorite children are in danger. If you would like or were interested, how Stalin, whom they hated for this, would have made our country a leading economic and scientific power in 15 years, it would be more profitable to keep it in semi-colonial dependence in an uncontrolled state, the robbery and sale of the colony should continue.
    1. +1
      18 June 2018 18: 15
      “We’ve already been discussing a quarter of a century, maybe it’s time to do something with pens” - Open your business and do pens, but it’s better not to go into the country's macroeconomics, everything is much more complicated and contradictory than it seems at first glance.
    2. +2
      18 June 2018 22: 28
      Quote: seacap
      If you would like or were interested, how, with Stalin they hated for it, would have made our country a leading economic and scientific power in 15 years,

      The Chinese two months ago did a study of the prospects for our economy and concluded that it could grow 50 times in 20 years. Naturally, they made a mistake in this study, they forgot that we have no ideology
      1. +2
        18 June 2018 22: 30
        Quote: aybolyt678
        The Chinese ... did a study of the prospects for our economy ... Naturally, they made a mistake in this study ...

        So did the Chinese study, or did the British do?
        1. +1
          18 June 2018 22: 46
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          So did the Chinese study, or did the British do?

          read here - http://www.proza.ru/2018/05/28/1938
          1. +1
            18 June 2018 22: 47
            Quote: aybolyt678
            read here

            To be honest - lazy to read, it's too late.
            But since they made a mistake, they definitely did the research ... well, these ... British scientists, in ...
      2. 0
        18 June 2018 22: 48
        No - they just made a mistake with a zero.
        1. +1
          19 June 2018 10: 51
          Quote: Vadim237
          No - they just made a mistake with a zero.

          not mistaken, the industrial GDP of the USSR - at times reached 20 percent of the world. Now 3 percent including oil. To reach the level of the USSR, only to produce something highly specialized, but better and more than anyone else, then low cost and high quality are guaranteed. For example 3D printers, or solar panels ..
          1. +1
            19 June 2018 17: 37
            "Industrial GDP of the USSR." The lion's share of the USSR industry rested on the defense industry and numerous gratuitous export deliveries — a planned economy, I don’t care what to produce. Russia now produces a lot of highly specialized things: rocket engines, reactors, fuel for reactors, isotopes for industry and medicine, alloys, space equipment and instruments, and much more. But all this does not bring big money, now it brings a lot of money that is very popular and the need for the masses.
  39. +4
    18 June 2018 19: 51
    Thanks to the author for the article, the case is written. There are, of course, inaccuracies, but in general - right.
    - Thesis about a stable exchange rate. Now we have reduced the influence of the regulator on the course, it is the most stable. Such explosive devaluation was caused by long-term curbing at the level of 30-33 rubles / USD, which required significant resources. Now the regulator only smooths out fluctuations (while making good money on it), which makes such a depreciation unlikely in the future. Of course, our course has become less manageable, but at the same time more predictable, since it will not be let go so suddenly and it will be possible to adapt to a gradual fall, it will not confuse everyone. Unfortunately, in today's conditions it is impossible to do more.
    - Our money supply is greatly strangled, which, of course, gives a short-term effect in the fight against inflation, but in the long run it accelerates it. However, it is incorrect to compare our situation with the European one. Our inflation problem lies not only in the commodity / money supply ratio, but also in the dollar / ruble weight ratio. That is, giving cheap loans in rubles, we pump up the ruble mass, the exchange rate will increase, prices will rise. As a result, purchasing power will not increase in units of goods, and prices will rise - classical inflation. However, it is not dictated by the fact that in the country, conditionally, for 5 rolls not 10, but 20 rubles, but the fact that in the country for 5 rolls 5 dollars as it was, it will remain so, it just will not be 10 rubles, but 20. Moreover, in the first case - European, if you print more rubles, the manufacturer will be able to sell not 5 rolls, but 10, therefore, the mass of goods will be pulled up by money, which is provided by loans, then in our case, if you print more rubles, the number of rolls will not change , because there will be no more dollars, we won’t be able to sell another 5 rolls, just as it was 5 dollars, it remains. Consequently, a decrease in the value of money (rubles) will not lead to an increase in production. Yes, and increasing the turnover of companies will not lead to an increase in salaries, we have most of the population on salary. This is both good and bad. Monetary policy, I think, is a solid three. They achieved their goal, removed the monetary component of inflation, but in a completely barbaric way. This is how to treat a patient with hypertension - bloodletting. Yes, the pressure is reduced, but this is rather an emergency method, you can’t constantly bleed, this will lead to death. It is the same here - inflation was defeated, we must proceed further. As I see it, an exit to the state. investment followed by privatization. The biggest misfortune of our economy is unpredictability, which is why long-term projects do not take root, only with a short payback period, after which money is being pumped out of the business “until it bends”. In such a situation, it is possible to attract investments only by selling existing assets, time-tested, which the state needs to create based on strategic areas of activity. The same oil industry - without a backlog of the USSR, we would now have a couple of developed fields from which oil would be pumped out hastily, without exploration, without strategic plans. Because it’s expensive, but it’s not clear whether it will be possible to conduct business in 5 years, or whether they will crush you tomorrow. For oil companies, exploration is a relatively small share of the costs, they can afford such a risk. Plus, an already occupied share in the domestic and foreign market, confidence in the future (existing players can no longer trample us overnight, we already have a significant market share and stable sales for many years).
    - About the WTO and protectionism. Whether we like it or not, but in order to enter the foreign market, we must compete with foreign products for our products. For starters, it would be nice to achieve this in our own, domestic market. So far, in most niches, we have price competition. It is not for nothing that the stereotype has been established that what is required is "so-so, but inexpensive." Not many products of our production fall under this definition, which, by the way, and without protectionism paves the way to foreign markets - gas, defense, metallurgy. Although, the defense industry is also "so-so, but inexpensive" there is something to apply. First of all, price competition must be avoided. Banal duties, tax breaks, cheap loans cannot solve this problem; this problem is only aggravated by cost reduction. Businesses need an incentive to improve quality, not lower prices. To do this, it is necessary to invest in applied science at the state level, support government orders for those who meet the international level, and help with the modernization of production (ideally, targeted financing of modernization of production at the state expense, followed by repayment of the debt with products for state needs). Our problem is not that we don’t want to produce, but that nobody needs what we produce, they have their own producers, they only need raw materials. You can’t sell something for which there is no demand. That's when we will produce better than them (or cheaper, but with the appropriate quality), then we will be able to export. Then the influx of currency into the country will be higher, and the purchasing power of the population will increase.
  40. +1
    18 June 2018 22: 36
    Professor,
    Of course, everything is better for you because of the hillock. You write about the Holodomor in Ukraine, but there were difficulties with bread all over the country. You better look into the encyclopedia of the early 50s. Starting from 1927-1932 the USSR was in debt. At that time you remember
    there was a period of industrialization of the country. If you look at 1933, then the debts were zero. About bread in the Volga region. Only
    three regions of Kuibyshev, Saratov, Orenburg gave the country the most expensive durum wheat.
  41. 0
    18 June 2018 22: 44
    Until normal toilets are learned to make, it’s impossible to talk about a breakthrough. Everything must be started with high-quality
    at first glance little things.
    1. +1
      18 June 2018 23: 01
      Quote: nikvic46
      Until normal toilets learn to do

      have long learned
  42. 0
    18 June 2018 22: 45
    Here the next global financial crisis has been looming on the horizon for three years, so the government needs to intensively fill up the Reserve Fund pill now.
  43. 0
    18 June 2018 22: 51
    How do we build a strong Russian economy

    stable exchange rate of the national currency.

    cash sufficiency for current operations.

    stable and low inflation

    cheap loans

    government support for domestic producer

    The author, and you did not think, why do we need to build a strong Russian economy? For what? After all, Russia already had a strong economy! And all the items that you offer were implemented in our country and we lived on them! IN USSR.
    Suppose a miracle happened, the power changed, for example, the new Bolsheviks came, built the USSR-2, put into reality what you are proposing, and then again comes another Gorbachev in a new reincarnation, another Yeltsin and another team of doubles in role of some New Putin and again arrange the genocide of the people, rob and destroy the country! And asking why to step on the same rake, you haven’t run into them yet? What is the point of rebuilding the economy and the country if there is no guarantee that all this hell that we experience after the destruction of the USSR will not happen again !?
    1. +1
      19 June 2018 00: 40
      Now everything is much simpler than at the time of the collapse of the USSR - Russia has a lot of goods in the market world economy, there are many opportunities, a large part of the population arranges a stable life and is now building much more than in the 90s and 2000s - throughout the country.
    2. +1
      19 June 2018 12: 37
      Suggest self-destruct?
      1. +2
        19 June 2018 20: 23
        Quote: Essex62
        Suggest self-destruct?

        We are already self-destructing, with 91g.
        It is proposed to create a mechanism to guarantee that thieves and bandits will not come to power in our country. This mechanism is implemented through the adoption of a law on the responsibility of authorities at a referendum. The best in the world has not yet been invented.

        http://zaotvet.info/project
        1. 0
          20 June 2018 10: 20
          Your self-destruction can and is going on - but Russia does not, we are developing.
  44. +2
    19 June 2018 05: 53
    How do we build a strong Russian economy

    It’s clear that this time I’ll organize the world hockey championship. Yes, and next in line for basketball.
  45. +7
    19 June 2018 11: 07
    It is necessary to start building a strong economy with the nationalization of the elites so that they are finally their own and are interested in the development of their country. But at present, the elites who do not live with us do not keep money in our economy, they do not teach and treat our children, and they do not keep in their own country, but only funds from this country, it is unlikely that they are interested in developing and strengthening their homeland, without actually being part of their people, according to the late old Pole. They also hire the entire state apparatus to serve their interests and ensure the plunder of the country and protect their interests. The less educated the slave servant, the less organized it is, the politically inert it is and easier to manage and manipulate, brothers, for example, this comes from the Roman Empire, the slogan of bread and circuses is relevant and now more than ever. Therefore, the system of education and upbringing of a creative person was destroyed, and the modern one, according to Sorov’s textbooks, has been stamping several generations of “advanced consumers” while providing services, so TV and media have gone down to the broadcast level to tnt with their endless dances on coffins and showdowns, with women of low social responsibility, calling themselves the elite of the garbage-beau monde, where women are allowed into circles, and children do not consider what is happening with the "great" art, sale of values, etc. And even in such circumstances, the main trouble and the cause of all troubles is irresponsibility for the decisions made and the results of the so-called reforms, stratification of the population into an estate, where one of the estates has arrogated to itself the right to be above the law and the constitution, nepotism flourishes, the inheritance of power and positions, and most importantly lack of control and irresponsibility. killed the power, who organized the unprecedented robbery of the country and people, who cynically lied and carried out genocide of their people, they continue to be in power, eat sweetly and sleep softly, their beloved little ladies are ready to take a hatched chair in the same corridors and offices, the exceptional talents of effective business managers and captains suddenly awakened in them. For economic growth, first of all, you need political will, an exclusively professional, patriotic independent government, the most severe responsibility, even more cruel, for the outcome of decisions and reforms.
  46. +2
    19 June 2018 13: 44
    How do we build a strong Russian economy
    I respect the author of the article with respect, but it could be more concise - When the political, economic, and cultural (I will write a fashionable word) establishment of the country into a patriotic, and with them political and economic course, respectively. But it will happen ... request
    1. +1
      19 June 2018 15: 57
      Quote: Radikal
      I respect the author of the article

      hi
      Quote: Radikal
      but it could have been more concise - When the political, economic, and cultural (I’ll write a fashion word) change of the country's establishment to a patriotic, and with them a corresponding political and economic course.

      It goes without saying, but now, let's imagine that it has changed. What should be done next?
  47. 0
    19 June 2018 16: 16
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Quote: Radikal
    I respect the author of the article

    hi
    Quote: Radikal
    but it could have been more concise - When the political, economic, and cultural (I’ll write a fashion word) change of the country's establishment to a patriotic, and with them a corresponding political and economic course.

    It goes without saying, but now, let's imagine that it has changed. What should be done next?

    Farther? And then, as the classics of Marxism taught ... smile soldier
    1. +1
      19 June 2018 16: 33
      Quote: Radikal
      And then, as the classics of Marxism taught ...

      I’m sorry, but we won’t go far in the classics - whatever one may say, but the USSR economy, with all its enormous advantages, required many additions and changes in order to become truly effective. Yes, at least the same cost accounting - that it increased efficiency, is a historical fact, but the classics have a little tug with it :)))
  48. +1
    19 June 2018 16: 48
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Quote: Radikal
    And then, as the classics of Marxism taught ...

    I’m sorry, but we won’t go far in the classics - whatever one may say, but the USSR economy, with all its enormous advantages, required many additions and changes in order to become truly effective. Yes, at least the same cost accounting - that it increased efficiency, is a historical fact, but the classics have a little tug with it :)))

    I'm not talking about "cost accounting", I'm talking about the fundamental principles of building a state, its foreign, domestic policy, economy, and culture! wink
    1. +4
      19 June 2018 17: 52
      Quote: Radikal
      I'm not talking about "cost accounting"

      I understand that perfectly :)))) hi drinks
      But I - about cost accounting laughing soldier
  49. 0
    19 June 2018 18: 03
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Quote: Radikal
    I'm not talking about "cost accounting"

    I understand that perfectly :)))) hi drinks
    But I - about cost accounting laughing soldier

    drinks hi smile
  50. +1
    20 June 2018 06: 01
    Quote: Vadim237
    Now everything is much simpler than at the time of the collapse of the USSR - Russia has a lot of goods in the market world economy, there are many opportunities, a large part of the population arranges a stable life and is now building much more than in the 90s and 2000s - throughout the country.

    It’s good for you in your parallel reality !!!! Everywhere paradise, milk rivers, jelly banks ... Not life, but a fairy tale .. The main thing is not to leave the chamber in the real world ...
    1. 0
      20 June 2018 10: 25
      At least I see what they are doing, building and developing, and it became a joy to live when I opened my own production and repair base. And sitting in the ward is your destiny.
  51. 0
    20 June 2018 06: 04
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Quote: Radikal
    And then, as the classics of Marxism taught ...

    I’m sorry, but we won’t go far in the classics - whatever one may say, but the USSR economy, with all its enormous advantages, required many additions and changes in order to become truly effective. Yes, at least the same cost accounting - that it increased efficiency, is a historical fact, but the classics have a little tug with it :)))

    Ahem...So “self-financing” was one of the nails in the coffin of the Soviet economy...
    1. 0
      20 June 2018 07: 00
      Quote: Crossbill
      Ahem...So “self-financing” was one of the nails in the coffin of the Soviet economy...

      How did you come to such an argument, may I ask?
  52. 0
    20 June 2018 07: 51
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Quote: Crossbill
    Ahem...So “self-financing” was one of the nails in the coffin of the Soviet economy...

    How did you come to such an argument, may I ask?

    Well, self-financing focused all enterprises on making a profit, and the economy of the USSR was built on slightly different principles.
    1. 0
      20 June 2018 11: 33
      Quote: Crossbill
      Well, self-financing focused all enterprises on making a profit, and the economy of the USSR was built on slightly different principles.

      Sorry, but you don’t understand the basics of cost accounting at all, which was just an attempt (and quite successful) to interest enterprise teams in an intensive path of development, since their income increased at the expense of the enterprise’s profits.
      That is, the payroll of a self-supporting enterprise remained the same (people did not suffer from it in any way), but at the same time, by saving on the consumption of material resources, people could make a large profit within the established prices and distribute part of this profit to their loved ones :))))
      1. 0
        21 June 2018 04: 02
        I may not quite understand, thank you for bringing the light of knowledge into the darkness of ignorance. Only cost accounting is based on commodity-money relations and ultimately should lead enterprises to self-sufficiency, self-financing, self-government
        That is, in fact, it was a type of management characteristic of a capitalist economy. Under the socialist economic system, profit and profitability for an individual enterprise were indirect indicators. Profit and profitability were calculated based on the final product. Therefore, in the production chain, some enterprises were extremely profitable, while others were on the verge of profitability and even beyond it. And when self-financing was introduced for each enterprise, some could make their workers rich, while others sucked their paws because they were not initially focused on making a profit. And saving resources will not help.....
        1. +1
          21 June 2018 07: 43
          Quote: Crossbill
          Under the socialist economic system, profit and profitability for an individual enterprise were indirect indicators. Profit and profitability were calculated based on the final product. Therefore, in the production chain, some enterprises were extremely profitable, while others were on the verge of profitability and even beyond it.

          Ничего подобного.
          In a socialist economy, the price of a product was calculated using a costly method - that is, the cost per unit of production was calculated, on the basis of which a technical industrial and financial plan was drawn up for the volume of output, and after that, the rate of profitability established for the industry was added to all the costs of the enterprise, which formed the profit of the enterprise.
          It managed completely independently, the state established (for many, agreed upon) the volume of production (plan), and then the enterprise’s task was to fulfill the plan both in terms of quantity and costs.
          So, naturally, with such a scheme, the easiest way was to “inflate” the costs in the plan, and then report on the savings :))) In fact, the system did not at all focus people on saving resources, on introducing more efficient technologies, on lean production - why? ?
          And self-financing was precisely an attempt to interest enterprises in qualitative development, that is, reducing the cost of material resources for production, which was stimulated by the ruble.
  53. 0
    20 June 2018 10: 05
    This is pure science - low inflation, at the level of 1-2%, stimulates the economy and is useful for it. Why?

    Exactly. I still don't understand why.
    More or less sensible proposal number 5 is support for domestic production.
    And now I will show the main weakness of all reasoning
    What do we need to make our economy strong and sustainable? The answer is simple: we need it to be formed by strong and economically successful enterprises that have modern means of production and produce and sell competitive products. They must sell it in such volumes as to earn profit, ensuring expanded reproduction: that is, enterprises must have enough profit not only for current activities and dividends to shareholders, but also for investment and expansion of production. Of course, with the involvement of credit resources, but still.

    The main weakness of the reasoning is highlighted in bold. Loans, by the way, are the next weakness. I'll explain why. The economic system is a closed space. And for any closed space there is one funny rule: objects do not come from nowhere and do not disappear anywhere, they can only be transformed. And for the economic system, money is the basis. They cannot transform and are the measure of everything. From these considerations another conclusion follows: in order for someone to make a profit, this profit should be taken away from another. In modern economics, this procedure is done in two ways. Method one: withdrawing money from another economic system. For example, when one state robs another, like the United States robs Russia in the 90s, and not only in the 90s, and not only Russia. Method two: withdrawal of funds from other participants in the economic system. In order for the second method to proceed more smoothly, natural inflation was invented, or it can be called minimal inflation. The essence is this: all participants in the economic system make a profit (for example, let’s take three companies, one received a profit of 40%, another 15%, the third 11%, let’s say each had a capital of 100 USD), then funds equivalent to the profit are introduced into the system (i.e. there were 300 USD in the system, we must add 66 USD). That’s all, now all that remains is to calculate how much profit each company received, taking into account inflation (So that after inflation all companies remain at their own, they need 122 USD, but the first company received 18 USD more, which other companies lost). In the economic system, state inflation “eats up” the wages of all classes below average, as well as not successful companies.
    1. +1
      20 June 2018 11: 35
      Quote: JasonT
      From these considerations another conclusion follows: in order for someone to make a profit, this profit should be taken away from another.

      I strongly recommend studying at least the basics of political economy. At least within the limits of added value.
      1. 0
        20 June 2018 12: 56
        fool Do you think I haven't studied this?
        1. 0
          20 June 2018 18: 01
          Quote: JasonT
          Do you think I haven't studied this?

          This is obvious - they haven’t studied it. What you write directly contradicts both existing theories - “economics” and political economy :)))
          1. 0
            21 June 2018 04: 37
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Quote: JasonT
            Do you think I haven't studied this?

            This is obvious - they haven’t studied it. What you write directly contradicts both existing theories - “economics” and political economy :)))

            So what if it contradicts? Why should I actually consider theories to be immutable truths? In addition, the essence of my first message, if you do not understand, is to prove, using ordinary mathematics, that as long as profit is the priority, as long as money is the measure of everything, some will get richer and others will get poorer. That low interest rates only regulate the rate of impoverishment of the population. And that these low rates are impossible until Russia becomes like the Anglo-Saxons and begins to rob other countries (I hope this never happens).
            1. +1
              21 June 2018 13: 48
              Quote: JasonT
              In addition, the essence of my first message, if you did not understand, is to prove, using ordinary mathematics, that as long as profit is the priority, as long as money is the measure of everything, some will get richer and others will get poorer.

              Your mathematics is fundamentally wrong because you do not understand what capital, profit, and inflation are, so you calculated them completely incorrectly in your example. You confused, for example, profit and added value - the fact that three companies earned a profit of 40, 15 and 11% does not require additional money emission, it is needed only if the number of goods in the market increased by 40, 15 and 11%. turnover. That is, if the total cost of goods at the beginning of your example was 300 killed raccoons, and at the end of the period - 366 cu, then yes, there is a need to release an additional 66 cu. But in this case, 66 ue is not a profit, but an added value, and the release of 66 ue itself will not create any inflation at all - we had the ratio of 1 ue of money to 1 ue of goods, and it remains so. And these 66 have nothing to do with company profits at all :)))
              Therefore, I repeat - study economics. You think you know her, but you don’t understand the basics
  54. +2
    20 June 2018 10: 25
    The article is good, but there are some comments. The first is about the proposals that the author so demands. Not everyone understands the field of economics, for example, a worker or an engineer, a mechanic, a doctor, a teacher, and we have no right to condemn them, they are professionals and work at their job, but they see how other rich people live, they see how the country’s wealth is not distributed legally, The way many officials live, such negative statements arise and they are fair. And now about the author’s proposals that no one has spoken about them, but normal economists, politicians, and specialists have been talking about them since the 90s, the authorities have NOT HEARED. Talking about the professionalism of the authorities in the field of economics is simply not respecting oneself. Either they are hampered by sanctions, or by low oil prices, or by pensioners, or because there are no other ways to boost the economy, it turns out that they are stupid, untalented, but they sit in important chairs and determine the economic policy of the entire country. As in the Russian proverb: “a bad dancer gets in the way of his balls.” So our government in the economy turns out to be rotten eggs.
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  56. +1
    20 June 2018 10: 27
    Ha!
    1) who is this for US?
    2) a strong economy - for whom?
    Russia seems to be in 4th place in terms of the number of billionaires.
    And our banks give loans overseas at a ridiculous interest rate - from 2 to 4%.
    those. milking Russia for the benefit....
  57. +1
    20 June 2018 10: 28
    Really, like two fingers on the asphalt. Recruit knowledgeable men. Knowledgeable and able to do business - industrialists. And roll up your sleeves and get down to serious business. The liberals are sent to Siberia to cut down the forest. There is no reason for them to roam around London. And the Central Bank should be privatized. There is no point in going under the Fed.
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    1. +1
      20 June 2018 16: 29
      Because of the planned economy, the USSR collapsed. Ban the export of money - foreign investment in Russia will become zero. Limiting the profitability of companies - now 90 percent of all companies in Russia are private, you cannot prohibit them from doing anything.
      1. +1
        20 June 2018 18: 16
        Quote: Vadim237
        Because of the planned economy, the USSR collapsed.

        Incorrect - because of the form of planned economy that was used in the USSR. It, a planned economy, can be very different.
        Quote: Vadim237
        Ban the export of money - foreign investment in Russia will become zero.

        They are already equal to zero
        Quote: Vadim237
        Limiting the profitability of companies - now 90 percent of all companies in Russia are private, you cannot prohibit them from doing anything.

        Why? For example, the same Hitler obliged private traders to buy government bonds with retained earnings above a certain level and it worked perfectly
        1. +1
          21 June 2018 09: 51
          Yes, they are not equal to zero - now they are building 130 joint plants and factories with foreigners in Russia, the same Boeing will build a new plant together with VSMPO Avisma, to produce titanium parts for airliners.
          1. +2
            21 June 2018 13: 24
            Quote: Vadim237
            Yes, they are not equal to zero - now they are building 130 joint plants and factories with foreigners in Russia

            All that remains is to find out who exactly these foreigners are :))) As a rule, such “foreign” investments are investments of the funds of our own oligarchs from offshore companies
  59. 0
    20 June 2018 12: 27
    Quote: aybolyt678
    Quote: raw174
    The sausage was made of meat, of dohlyatina, but the meat was ...

    any sausage is made from dead animals ...... Just a competent veterinarian can always distinguish safe meat from dangerous meat. And sausage, by design, is chewed meat, in fact, a way to hide the contents. Now on the shelves often found cheap sausage with a natural taste and smell. It turns out that this is soy sausage in which to create a natural taste add 3% of boar (meat of uncastrated boar) and amazing natural meat taste and smell of soy.

    Okay, about the sausage. We take the Soviet GOST and the modern one. We do not take into account any specifications. We read that in Soviet there is an inscription: “failure to comply with GOST is punishable by law,” but in modern there is no such inscription. There was a structure - a department for combating mismanagement and theft of socialist property (OBKhSS). You could actually get imprisoned for getting the wrong kind of meat or the wrong quantity in the sausage. Under Stalin, definitely. It became unclear under the late Brezhnev. Modern GOSTs do not oblige anyone to anything.
    1. 0
      20 June 2018 16: 32
      But since 1968, Soviet sausage became worse and worse - there was not enough meat, they began to experiment with mixtures.
      1. +1
        20 June 2018 18: 13
        Quote: Vadim237
        started experimenting with mixtures.

        They may have started experimenting, but they didn’t send it into mass production. Sorry, but I personally read the Soviet recipes that were in force at the end of the USSR. For example, over a kilogram of meat was consumed per kilogram of doctor’s sausage.
        1. 0
          21 June 2018 09: 53
          According to the recipe, it is normal, but in reality, towards the end of the USSR, there was less and less meat.
          1. +1
            21 June 2018 13: 20
            Quote: Vadim237
            According to the recipe, it’s normal, but in reality, towards the end of the USSR, there was less and less meat

            Can you somehow prove this thesis? :)))
            1. 0
              21 June 2018 13: 48
              There are other aggregate opinions
  60. 0
    20 June 2018 12: 46
    Quotation: I.P.
    The article is good, but there are some comments. The first is about the proposals that the author so demands. Not everyone understands the field of economics, for example, a worker or an engineer, a mechanic, a doctor, a teacher, and we have no right to condemn them, they are professionals and work at their job, but they see how other rich people live, they see how the country’s wealth is not distributed legally, The way many officials live, such negative statements arise and they are fair. And now about the author’s proposals that no one has spoken about them, but normal economists, politicians, and specialists have been talking about them since the 90s, the authorities have NOT HEARED. Talking about the professionalism of the authorities in the field of economics is simply not respecting oneself. Either they are hampered by sanctions, or by low oil prices, or by pensioners, or because there are no other ways to boost the economy, it turns out that they are stupid, untalented, but they sit in important chairs and determine the economic policy of the entire country. As in the Russian proverb: “a bad dancer gets in the way of his balls.” So our government in the economy turns out to be rotten eggs.

    Any Soviet-style engineer was required to have an understanding of economics. Not at the level of macro, financial and other inflation, but at the level of production it is obliged. To carry out a technological process in such a way that, while production costs tend to zero, profits tend to infinity - this is the task of an engineer.
  61. +1
    20 June 2018 22: 43
    The recipe is simple - a planned economy with market elements and socialism.
  62. +1
    20 June 2018 23: 39
    "How can we build a strong Russian economy?"
    Russia will continue to fall as long as it is led by the Chairman of the Government, whom the people do not trust, and the President, who does not keep his word about not raising the retirement age, but has only been repeating the mantra for many years now that we will live better, while he himself allows cannibalistic reform in the first months of his reign... But our people don’t like cannibals, Nikolashka-2 is a good example of this.
    Putin! When to retire?... You said it yourself! Whose words are these: “I am against increasing the retirement age. And while I am president, such a decision will not be made. And in general, I think that we do not need to increase the retirement period."
    The people do not trust the leader of the country who does not keep his word! THE PEOPLE DO NOT BELIEVE YOU ANYMORE!!! Who said:"...while I'm president, such a decision will not be made?"
    Every day I am convinced that I did the right thing, that in these elections for the first time I did not vote for Putin, because I see where the country is sliding. And that’s why I voted for Grudinin... It’s a pity that he didn’t win... Although he’s not a panacea, at least there would have been some chance for the country to turn onto the right road... But the train left, and those who chose Putin , now they really regret it......
    Putin presented them with reciprocal gratitude for his elections - pension reform and they are so “grateful” to him for this that there are simply no words, just untranslatable folklore! And everyone says out loud that if there were re-elections now, then Putin would receive so many votes that even Ksyukha would be jealous!
    And now I want to ask those who voted for Putin: "Do you even now understand what you did?"
    1. +3
      21 June 2018 00: 17
      Quote: Brigadier
      And everyone says out loud that if there were re-elections now, then Putin would receive so many votes that even Ksyukha would be jealous!

      Don’t create illusions - he would have received 75 percent. He will receive that much regardless of how many people vote for other candidates
    2. +1
      21 June 2018 10: 14
      The country is not sliding anywhere, factories are being built, infrastructure is being restored, GDP is growing by 8-10 trillion a year, try to provide 30 million pensioners with a decent pension of 20000 rubles, this should be in the budget of an additional 7 trillion rubles every year - the entire budget at the moment is 16 trillions, where to get this money from - again raise taxes for employers and everyone else, open new industries, their payback will be from 5 to 7 years, the most difficult thing is to find a sales market for them. The government is now accumulating a safety cushion in the Reserve Fund, from the high cost of oil, since there is a high probability that in the next 4 years the same crisis will occur as in 2008. As a result of everything, pensioners are now far from being in first place in solving problems.
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  64. 0
    22 June 2018 08: 00
    Again Andryusha from Chelyabinsk wrote a lot of letters. What a powerful expert, right in all areas.
    Let me ask a question, my dear fellow - we have quite a strong position in the world in the field of energy, in nuclear, oil, and gas, but for some reason for the population this is neither cold nor hot, and the ruling elite skims the cream of it and the management of these companies with their gopmenagers. Even Kozak said that the stabilization (?) of fuel prices brings them a billion rubles a day in losses. In general, a good owner will first provide and feed his home and his servants, and only then will he take the remaining surplus and sell it on the market. Based on this, we conclude that no matter how strong the economy is, people will still fly past the cash register, because even normal salaries do not want to be paid by these gopniks from business. I am surprised by the statements of our heads of various ministries and departments about the so-called gray areas in the economy. Are you completely stupid and don’t understand what, how and where it’s happening? Then leave your positions and start growing flowers in your dacha. There may be smarter ones, although it’s hard to believe. I don’t see or have heard at all whether the authorities have a plan for the strategic development of the country specifically by industry, by the necessary financial injections, by population, by time frame in the end, and most importantly, what we ultimately want to achieve. So that our oligarchs are on par with Western ones, so we will soon come to this, or still, so that not lazy people and not alcoholics, but normal hardworking people live in normal conditions, and do not struggle for 10-15-20 thousand rubles for 12 hours a day . This is mind boggling - A WORKING PERSON BEGGAR
  65. 0
    22 June 2018 08: 51
    Andrey, you are Captain Obvious. This has been clear for a long time.

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