He-400ES development of ammunition ammunition will end in 2018

The long-range barrage combat system He-400ES strikes a fixed object during demonstration tests in December 2017

UVision Air has upgraded the Nexus-400ES (Electric, Cruciform - electric cruciform) locking ammunition to the 8 technology level, so the final development and initial deployment of the production model is scheduled to be completed by the end of 2018.

The new 400ES system, which is a development of the previous His-400 system, which was equipped with a gasoline engine and rigid flat wings, is distinguished by a new electric motor specially designed for UVision by an unnamed contractor. An electric motor with low acoustic and thermal signs of visibility allows you to fly in cruise mode at high speed and in low-speed locking mode. The modified part of the hull with a folding cruciform tail (like the feathering of the lighter locking system X-Numx of the same company) provides longer flight time, lifting force and maneuverability, better accuracy in the final trajectory section of fixed and moving targets or targets in a limited urban space.

The new system has a length of 2,1 meter, wingspan of 2,4 meter and maximum take-off weight of 40 kg. Like the previous model, His-400, 400ES is equipped with a stabilized optoelectronic station and two-way communication channel in direct view with the 40-150 km range with the “man in control loop” function, although the duration of the patching ammunition flight was reduced from 4 to 2 hours of -for changes in the type of propulsion.

The 400EC system retained all of its reconnaissance and surveillance capabilities, but the 8 kg high-explosive ordnance in the previous version of the Nego-400 was replaced with a new, heavier universal 10 kg warhead (tandem shaped-charge high-explosive fragmentation warhead) to combat a wide range of targets, including main combat Tanks.

The advanced task termination feature allows automatic re-activation of the patching mode, re-targeting or return using a parachute. The working height is 5500 meters at speeds of flight / patrol of 50-150 nodes.

Managed by one operator, His-400-E system can be launched either from a rail or from a modular multi-barreled container, which can be installed on any platform at the customer's request, land, sea or air. The previous version of He-400 could not be launched from the container due to the fixed configuration of the tail or from the offshore platforms due to the gasoline engine.

A representative from UVision said that they had left the original version of Him-400 and so far there is a need for such a configuration, mainly for reconnaissance tasks. “The 400 of it still exists, but with the locking ammunition, now only the 400ES product remains.”

“Our customers want a larger, anti-aircraft munitions with a longer range with the same characteristics as our He-30 system [portable container system weighing 3 kg with warhead 0,5 kg, communication channel within line of sight 5-40 km and maximum flight duration 30 minutes] to deal with larger targets. Therefore, the system was born Him-400ES. The company has now teamed up with Raytheon to promote the He-30 system under the Lethal Miniature Aerial Missile System (LMAMS) US Army program.

Meanwhile, the company is promoting its 400ES system to the market and therefore, in December 2017 of the year held an initial screening of the system for an unnamed “strategic” customer. According to the company, the demonstration “confirmed the capabilities of the system for tracking and capturing targets using the example of a moving machine and a person in different operational scenarios, as well as the ability of the function to terminate the task. The capabilities for high-precision target destruction were also demonstrated. ”

The development of the He-400ES system has shifted to the right the deadlines for the development of another system - the tactical locking system of the He-120 container launch with 12,5 kg mass, designed to fight at close distances with armored objects and structures. Its 120 system with an electric motor, equipped with a 4,5 kg warhead and a stabilized optoelectronic target load, has an increased flight duration of 60 minutes and a communication channel within line of sight to 60 km. The final revision of the X-NUMX system was planned for the end of 120, but a spokesperson for UVision said they focused on the EU-2015 system in the EU and that the development of the X-NNUMX system will be completed after the 400-E system is released to the market.

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Comments

[Vard]

The idea is not bad. ... But it seems like the foreground with this approach is the electronic warfare ...

[SHURUM -BURUM]

This is an example of the embodiment of an attack drone for a tactical link. Everything else - the Ministry of Emergencies - show.

[Vita vko]

It is necessary to make ammunition that not only can plan, but also hang on parachutes at high altitudes. As for example PRLR "ALARM". Any system that has its own engine is easily detected by the selection systems of air defense or thermal trace. But ammunition moving with almost wind speed for most air defense systems becomes meteorological and is dropped from processing, especially if it is dropped with a stack of dipole reflectors for masking. Therefore, we need the cheapest form of delivery. What would a heavy bomber poured them a couple of tens or hundreds in the area of ​​hostilities, and then the guidance operators through the satellite would take control of one another to take off parachutes and direct these blanks already in free fall mode or with the possibility of starting the engine for additional correction.
And then, so carry a few pieces, and then still think whether the target will run away from the coordinates specified in GLONASS (the time of preparing the aircraft for departure, the delivery time is all very long) And it may not even clog the navigation system by detecting interference with the fact of take-off or approach district. Too much if.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Vita VKO

It is necessary to make ammunition that not only can plan, but also hang on parachutes at high altitudes. As for example PRLR "ALARM". Any system that has its own engine is easily detected by the selection systems of air defense or thermal trace. But ammunition moving with almost wind speed for most air defense systems becomes meteorological and is dropped from processing, especially if it is dropped with a stack of dipole reflectors for masking. Therefore, we need the cheapest form of delivery. What would a heavy bomber poured them a couple of tens or hundreds in the area of ​​hostilities, and then the guidance operators through the satellite would take control of one another to take off parachutes and direct these blanks already in free fall mode or with the possibility of starting the engine for additional correction.
And then, so carry a few pieces, and then still think whether the target will run away from the coordinates specified in GLONASS (the time of preparing the aircraft for departure, the delivery time is all very long) And it may not even clog the navigation system by detecting interference with the fact of take-off or approach district. Too much if.

At an altitude of 3-5 thousand meters of wind speed 150 km / h - the usual thing. Carry all the parachutes very far. They then neither return nor collect. Disappear without any sense.
Guided aerial bombs (UAB) or corrected aerial bombs (CAB) fully meet your requirements. These are slightly different devices. Easier, cheaper and easier to operate.
To pour out such heavy ammunition from heavy bombers in tens and hundreds of such ammunition at a price of 500 thousand of green apiece, no one will. It is cheaper to scatter banknotes from the air. And by the way, the patrol combat system is an individual piece application.

[A. Privalov]

UVision successfully demonstrated the locking system with an expanded range of possibilities - Hero-400EC (Pronounced as "hi" - "hero")
Demonstration, which took place in the south of Israel in December 2017.

[Adler77]

I understand that a similar shell struck the shell in Syria.
Just the same after some time after the main attack.

[scientist]

Quote: Adler77

the shell hit the shell

I hope after this the Armor will be refined and equipped with at least a primitive EW station, or simply a remote jammer that can drown out the television guidance channel and divert the self-guided projectiles.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: scientist

Quote: Adler77

the shell hit the shell

I hope after this the Armor will be refined and equipped with at least a primitive EW station, or simply a remote jammer that can drown out the television guidance channel and divert the self-guided projectiles.

Electron-optical control Spike NLOS makes the rocket practically insensitive to the formulation of radio electronic and infrared interference. In addition, the latest models are equipped with a pattern recognition system.

[Vita vko]

Quote: A. Privalov

Electron-optical control

The presence of any external control makes the system vulnerable. Especially when it comes to broadband image transmission, it can’t even be masked with a frequency hopping (Link 16) or WCDMA. But if a computer with memorization and pattern recognition is installed in this "cool" rocket, then a smoke bomb is given to him as a gift.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Vita VKO

Quote: A. Privalov

Electron-optical control

The presence of any external control makes the system vulnerable. Especially when it comes to broadband image transmission, it can’t even be masked with a frequency hopping (Link 16) or WCDMA. But if a computer with memorization and pattern recognition is installed in this "cool" rocket, then a smoke bomb is given to him as a gift.

At first glance, everything seems to be very simple. However, you miss that this device is at an altitude of 5500 m, where it patrols at a speed of 100 km / h, at a distance from the object of kilometers 40. There is guidance. Further, after giving an order to attack, the system “fired-forgot” is activated. An object is attacked along a fairly non-simple path at a speed of about 300 km / h. In minutes 5-6, the rocket will be in place. In this segment, the EW cannot silence anything and cannot suppress, for there is nothing. Here, there is already one hope for the calculation, say the Shell. And they, poor fellows, are sitting there in gas masks, for you have prepared an incredibly large smoke bomb, which has been smoking for hours, waiting for a possible attack ...
PS Spike NLOS flew from a distance of kilometers 25, but at a speed of almost 650 km / h.

[Lopatov]

Quote: A. Privalov

However, you miss that this device is at an altitude of 5500 m, where it patrols at a speed of 100 km / h, at a distance from the object of kilometers 40.

Correct me. That is, the apparatus is spinning within the range of the medium-range air defense missile system, while conducting active radio communications with the ground, which allows the RTR facilities to detect and destroy the command post.
Then, at a low speed, everything in 300 km enters the zone of action of the short-range SAM systems, and if a miracle happens, it hits the target.
Why does it seem to me that it is possible to use this tool only against "baboons", and its use is more expensive than the shock UAV, which is able to work on these same "baboons" many times.
What is the meaning of the device?

[marshes]

Quote: Spade

Correct me. That is, the apparatus is spinning within the range of the medium-range air defense missile system, while conducting active radio communications with the ground, which allows the RTR facilities to detect and destroy the command post.

We bought ourselves, Serbian, up to 25 KM "Alas"., Soon they will produce them. There are cable ones. For now, it’s a mystery for us.

[KKND]

Greetings, Lopatov . I am very glad that you are not leaving the forum.
It seems to me that this project has military value.
1. Dumb air defense ammunition.
2. It is not so easy to bring him down. Small EPR, small geometric dimensions, low height.
3. Intelligence. She is never superfluous.
4.Price.

[Lopatov]

Welcome.

Quote: KKND

1. Dumb air defense ammunition.

The price is at the price level of medium-range air defense missiles. And higher than the price of short-range air defense missiles. It makes no sense.

Quote: KKND

It’s not so easy to knock him down. Small EPR, small geometric dimensions, low height.

81 mm mines are already knocking down. So that...

Quote: KKND

Intelligence service. She is never superfluous.

Purely reconnaissance vehicles in the same mass dimensions are much more advanced in terms of reconnaissance capabilities and are actually cheaper, as they can be reused.

Quote: KKND

Price.

Exactly. The most costly option for hitting a target.

[KKND]

Quote: Spade

The price is at the price level of medium-range air defense missiles. And higher than the price of short-range air defense missiles. It makes no sense.

Here you underestimate the cost of missiles. MANPADS "Igla" rocket of the order of $ 40000 (I do not take into account the launch tube, it can be used once again 10). And here you are at the level of medium-range missiles. A Buk missile weighs about 600 kg with the most complicated EMNIP ramjet solid-fuel air engine, but that’s what I mean.

Quote: Spade

81 mm mines are already knocking down. So that...

Yes, they knock down, they knock down, only in exercises mainly. It is believed that Israel broke through air defense in the Bek Valley in 82, just with the help of various drones, to which Syrian air defense was not ready then. Since then, they have the generals (of Israel) and "went" in this direction.

Quote: Spade

Purely reconnaissance vehicles in the same mass dimensions are much more advanced in terms of reconnaissance capabilities and are actually cheaper, as they can be reused.

Here we can agree, but multifunctionality has the right to life, too. It is necessary to count money and develop battle tactics. All this is complicated.

Quote: Spade

Exactly. The most costly option for hitting a target.

Sometimes the price can also be justified. Although of course the cheaper the better.
Generally Lopatov, I am amazed at the breadth and depth of your knowledge, but IMHO air defense is your most "weak" side. I have nothing to do with air defense, I’m sitting on the couch, so if an expert comes here and confirms your point of view, I apologize. In general, I'm afraid if you do not understand me correctly.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Spade

Quote: A. Privalov

However, you miss that this device is at an altitude of 5500 m, where it patrols at a speed of 100 km / h, at a distance from the object of kilometers 40.

Correct me. That is, the apparatus is spinning within the range of the medium-range air defense missile system, while conducting active radio communications with the ground, which allows the RTR facilities to detect and destroy the command post.
Then, at a low speed, everything in 300 km enters the zone of action of the short-range SAM systems, and if a miracle happens, it hits the target.
Why does it seem to me that it is possible to use this tool only against "baboons", and its use is more expensive than the shock UAV, which is able to work on these same "baboons" many times.
What is the meaning of the device?

Something you "baboons" underestimate. How many years have they Syria chmyryat? Russia for him already than just not a bullet. But it's not that. When was the last time you saw a real, long-lasting clash of two "conventional" armies? And the formation of a tank "fist", I'm not talking about tank coverage? Today's wars have changed their face. Changed the conditions of fighting. Applies a different tactic. By the way, the patrol ammunition is positioned as a device that provides high-precision destruction of priority targets in complex tactical scenarios. Understanding the topic: http://catcut.net/czOv
http://catcut.net/fzOv

[Lopatov]

Quote: A. Privalov

You underestimate something of "baboons". How many years have they been waving Syria?

That is, against the "baboons" they are also useless? 8))))))))))

Quote: A. Privalov

Today's wars have changed their face. The conditions of the battles have changed. Different tactics apply.

Banned air defense? Radio intelligence? RAP?

I honestly do not see the point in barrage of ammunition in general. Unless if you really want to spend money on something unnecessary.
One of the intelligence. Drones takes the coordinates of the target and its IR image, transfers it to the control center. From there, the coordinates, the target image, and the launch are entered into the launcher, in a 122-mm controlled PC. The missile flew over, found its target, hit. If during this very short time the target disappeared, and this happens, the drone illuminated another with a laser target designator. And that’s it. Quickly, cheaply, without gigantomania, you can even hit a column of "Toyotatanks" without perverting the presence of a dozen ammunition in the air.

What is the point?

[KKND]

Quote: Spade

Quickly, cheaply, without gigantomania, you can even hit a column of "Toyotatanks" without perverting the presence of a dozen ammunition in the air.

The price is also not much cheaper.
Now, if they found a column from the drone and transmitted the coordinates, and then from the MLRS uncontrolled cluster ones. But also will not be cheap, ATGMs
will be cheaper.

[Lopatov]

Quote: KKND

The price is also not much cheaper.

A lot. There are reusable drones and disposable weapons. There is no far-fetched increase in price due to an attempt to cross one with the other.

Quote: KKND

Now, if they found a column from the drone and transmitted the coordinates, and then from the MLRS uncontrolled cluster ones.

What for? It will come out again more expensive. Even if you have guided missiles, as in Polonaise. On a convoy of 6 cars you will have to release a lot more than six RS to ensure sufficient density to ensure the defeat of the group target. Taking into account, firstly, dispersion, and secondly, a possible change in the speed of the column during the flight of the missiles.

[KKND]

Quote: Spade

A lot. There are reusable drones and disposable weapons. There is no far-fetched increase in price due to an attempt to cross one with the other.

You propose making PCs manageable with GOS with optical target recognition. We look at the close missile "Maverick". Price $ 160000-200000. The decision to create such a PC is a bit cheaper than a drone. Plus only speed and knock down is difficult.

Quote: Spade

What for? It will come out again more expensive.

Perhaps even more expensive. It is necessary to consider.

Quote: Spade

On a convoy of 6 cars you will have to release a lot more than six RS to ensure sufficient density to ensure the defeat of the group target.

It’s stupid to argue with this, I imagined all this. Generally moving goals are difficult goals and expensive solutions are needed to hit them.

[Lopatov]

Quote: KKND

You propose making PCs manageable with GOS with optical target recognition. We look at the close missile "Maverick".

And where does all this listed?
We compare the cost of the system, rather than a separate munition.
There is a UAV, there is ammunition. The UAV is reusable, the ammunition is disposable.
The cost of this complex will be approximately equal to the cost of barrage of ammunition with equal reconnaissance capabilities.
However, if we compare the cost of 1 UAV and ten guided munitions on the one hand and ten barrage on the other, the savings will already be very, very substantial.

[KKND]

Quote: Spade

However, if we compare the cost of 1 UAV and ten guided munitions on the one hand and ten barrage on the other, the savings will already be very, very substantial.

Well, I'm trying to say that you offered a RS solution with an optical seeker and 1 UAV. But why do you think that the RS itself as an UAV almost did not become costly? Here’s the laser seeker, as you said much cheaper. In general, in the comments you suggested to combine them (laser and optical). To shoot a column of Toyota tanks.

Quote: Spade

One of the intelligence. Drones takes the coordinates of the target and its IR image, transfers it to the control center. From there, the coordinates, the target image, and the launch are entered into the launcher, in a 122-mm controlled PC. The missile flew over, found its target, hit. If during this very short time the target disappeared, and this happens, the drone illuminated another with a laser target designator. And that’s it. Quickly, cheaply, without gigantomania, you can even hit a column of "Toyotatanks" without perverting the presence of a dozen ammunition in the air.

Let's think about it.

Quote: Spade

However, if we compare the cost of 1 UAV and ten guided munitions on the one hand and ten barrage on the other, the savings will already be very, very substantial.

I can’t understand why the RS is so complex with a complex GOS then the UAV itself is not at a cost? Perhaps a little cheaper, the command center of 100 operators is not needed.

[Lopatov]

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[mac789]

Why offend the baboons? ... Bosses, embezzlers and other ghouls living in closed cottage villages and traveling in armored jeeps with guards, all kinds of hoes, which have remained unpunished for years and their patrons. In short, these gifts are just for them. For each ghoul, armor c1 is not presented.

[Denimax]

Quote: A. Privalov

Electron-optical control Spike NLOS makes the rocket practically insensitive to the formulation of radio electronic and infrared interference.

But Spike can not patrol. Alternatively, one could use a slow flight to the target. After the target is detected, the wings are dropped and then dived. Return in principle can also be realized, it will be necessary only after
change coil with optical cable.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Denimax

Quote: A. Privalov

Electron-optical control Spike NLOS makes the rocket practically insensitive to the formulation of radio electronic and infrared interference.

But Spike can not patrol. Alternatively, one could use a slow flight to the target. After the target is detected, the wings are dropped and then dived. Return in principle can also be realized, it will be necessary only after
change coil with optical cable.

This is not about Spike, but about Hero-400EC.

[Denimax]

I meant to use cable management for Hero-400EC.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Denimax

I meant to use cable management for Hero-400EC.

Cable management from 40 kilometers distance and 5 kilometers height? How do you imagine that?

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Adler77

I understand that a similar shell struck the shell in Syria.
Just the same after some time after the main attack.

Not. At that time, the Shell was hit by a Spike NLOS rocket. Her "likeness" is very conditional.

[Kir]

Ahrenet ... when they write, they at least indicate in what miles the measurements are taken, because the difference is very noticeable. Regarding geometry, something obviously from the beginning somewhere like that in a fantastic delirium (a film by Made in Holywood and Co.) “flew”.

[Mountain shooter]

Creepy weapon! And the further the technology develops, the more such similar high-precision, homing weapons at the final stage will develop. With the development of artificial intelligence systems, such "rubbish" will become smarter and more independent ...
Fantasy is not enough to imagine what this might lead to. Silent, all-pervading death ... From the sky.

[Vadim237]

I woke up like this - and found out that the war had begun and was already lost, since the entire army and industry were either destroyed or incapacitated by tens of thousands of kamikaze drones.

[demiurg]

What is the price of this wunderwaffle? Somewhere the Jews turned the wrong way. Carlson with tandem warhead and wild price.

[tlauicol]

Not more expensive than shell or tank

[demiurg]

But people hate :)) Once upon a time sucked, the carapace was without ammunition and, most importantly, the crew.

The use of any weapon must be considered against an equal opponent. Would this device fly against the deployed Tzahal air defense?

[marshes]

By the way, Serbs turn out to be producing the same ammunition, ALAS. Soon, production will be established in Kazakhstan too.

[outsider]

Quote: demiurg

What is the price of this wunderwaffle? Somewhere the Jews turned the wrong way. Carlson with tandem warhead and wild price.

- Come on in! Hurry up! Cheaper!

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[outsider]

Quote: scientist

Quote: Adler77

the shell hit the shell

I hope after this the Armor will be refined and equipped with at least a primitive EW station, or simply a remote jammer that can drown out the television guidance channel and divert the self-guided projectiles.

- ??? How can I suppress a television channel ?! Only a sufficiently powerful laser, which still needs to be directed precisely at the GOS device flying at high speed ...
This is more than difficult ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: Outsider

- ??? How can I suppress a television channel ?!

The cheapest are modern aerosol curtains. In addition, laser systems, microwave ammunition and emitters.
Yes, and the banal destruction of the weapon itself, the device is quite large and at the same time low-speed.

[Vadim237]

Release the aerosol - it will be a great reference point for enemy systems of multiple launch rocket and artillery.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Vadim237

Release the aerosol - it will be a great reference point for enemy systems of multiple launch rocket and artillery.

And what prevents you from moving?

In addition, there are options for covering aerosol curtains in fairly large areas. Both through the forces and means of chemists, and artillery.
I read an interesting proposal not so long ago, to create a “moving smoke zone” over the attacking mechanics division according to the rules of the State Standard of Fire with shells with GGE

[KKND]

Quote: Spade

Yes, and the banal destruction of the weapon itself, the device is quite large and at the same time low-speed.

Controversial moment. EPR and geometric dimensions are small. The video is where the “shell” of the cannons the small drone (low-speed, almost toy) during the exercises could not hit. Then he hit a rocket.

[Lopatov]

Quote: KKND

The video is where the “shell” of the cannons a small drone (low-speed, almost toy) in the exercises could not hit. Then he hit a rocket.

Amazed after all. And he shot down drones of baboons, which are clearly much smaller.

[Narak-zempo]

So how is it still called, "Him-400" or "Hero-400"? Or does the author not bother with such trifles?

[KKND]

Quote: Spade

Correct me. That is, the apparatus is spinning within the range of the medium-range air defense missile system, while conducting active radio communications with the ground, which allows the RTR facilities to detect and destroy the command post.

The radio horizon of RTR will not, unless RTR is in the air or in cases where it is very close. Plus RTR can only give a bearing but not a range.

[Lopatov]

Quote: KKND

The radio horizon of RTR will not, unless RTR is in the air or in cases where it is very close.

It is in the air.

Quote: KKND

Plus RTR can only give a bearing but not a range.

The problem has long been resolved.
For ground, at least three points, three directional angles, a triangle of errors. Cover it with the fire of the MLRS division or the barrel division, and there is no command post.
For air and even easier. They move, which means they are able to consistently shoot a lot of directional ones, and the triangle of errors will be very small. Moreover, the greater the speed, the more accurate.
In general, remember the actions of our aviation in Syria at the initial stage. How the Russian "democratic public" scoffed at the number of "control points" hit. Those who deflected from the army simply did not realize that the places from which active radio exchange was conducted were astounded.

[KKND]

Quote: Spade

The problem has long been resolved.

Let's figure it out, maybe I'm wrong.

Quote: Spade

For ground, at least three points, three directional angles, a triangle of errors. Cover it with the fire of the MLRS division or the barrel division, and there is no command post.

Old classic triangulation. But the radio horizon in cases of controlling the drone from the ground. (Earth-to-land for triangulation, the problem is due to the radio horizon).

Quote: Spade

For air and even easier. They move, which means they are able to consistently shoot a lot of directional ones, and the triangle of errors will be very small. Moreover, the greater the speed, the more accurate.

Hardly. He flew in the most serious of the available gaming public (there are very few of them, and of course there are errors there too) simulator. So I can say that when working with avionics such aircraft as the Su-27, F-15, MiG-29, F-16 and other fighter jets are simpler, there is no missile launch mode according to triangulation data for air and ground targets. There is also no equipment allowing group fighters engage in triangulation of both ground and air targets.
Why, I honestly don’t know. The opportunity looks very seductive, but it is not. Perhaps there are RTR aircraft, I don’t know, but I doubt it. Everything was too easy.
RTR fighter gives only bearing. That is all I know.

Quote: Spade

In general, remember the actions of our aviation in Syria at the initial stage. How the Russian "democratic public" scoffed at the number of "control points" hit.

In general, I myself used to have a “democratic community” a little, but I still esteemed you and Sergey Linnik and several other military men and changed. Now I don’t like this public myself. And I really respect you, real, not ostentatious cheers-patriots.

[Lopatov]

Quote: KKND

Old classic triangulation. But the radio horizon in cases of controlling the drone from the ground. (Earth-to-land for triangulation, the problem is due to the radio horizon).

KRTR "Collection-1" Army submission The range of reconnaissance of ground-based radiation sources is 40 km along the front and 70 in depth. At a maximum rms range of 400 meters, which is enough to strike with the MLRS division.

Quote: KKND

So I can say that when working with avionics such aircraft as the Su-27, F-15, MiG-29, F-16 and other fighter jets are simpler, there is no missile launch mode according to triangulation data for air and ground targets.

And "Orlan-10" already knows how.

Quote: KKND

Why, I honestly don’t know. The opportunity looks very seductive, but it is not. Perhaps there are RTR aircraft, I don’t know, but I doubt it. Everything was too easy.

As far as I know, direction finding from airplanes was used back in the “battle for the Atlantic” by Delov, knowing the coordinates of two or more points and two or more directions to the source, to calculate its coordinates.

[KKND]

Quote: Spade

As far as I know, direction finding from airplanes was used back in the “battle for the Atlantic” by Delov, knowing the coordinates of two or more points and two or more directions to the source, to calculate its coordinates.

Here you confuse direction finding with triangulation. On American planes, direction finding in azimuth, on ours also in elevation. Range past.

Quote: Spade

And "Orlan-10" already knows how.

You see, I have a little knowledge (I'm lazy), but my head, as unfamiliar people said to me, is “bright”. And there is no data on Orlan-10. I’ve heard for the first time about the Sborn-1 CRTR.
Suppose radio triangulation in air is easily feasible. Then it follows that it is easy for aircraft to recognize not only the bearing, but also the range to the air defense. It’s easy to know the distance to the aircraft from the included radar. Then it is possible, without turning on the radar, that the aircraft has air defense and that it can launch a missile with an AGSN (with radar seeker) by say F-22 as soon as it has turned on its RADAR. But you probably know that there is no such possibility. What air defense, that Aircraft have to turn on their RADAR in order to conduct their missile to the target. Yes, there is the possibility of hovering, i.e. when the target includes a radio jamming that can only operate on the current frequency of the scanning radar, triggering of this jamming is possible. Target radar operates at a different frequency than the attacker's radar and launch on a moving radar
(standing) possible. But this is a different case.
Returning to radio triangulation, everything would be too simple and did not work as we imagine. Just turned on the radio transmitter-on you rocket. And that’s all.
Therefore, I conclude that you are mistaken.

[2329 Carpenter]

Quote: demiurg

What is the price of this wunderwaffle? Somewhere the Jews turned the wrong way. Carlson with tandem warhead and wild price.

The price of the projectile is offset by the importance of the affected object.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Spade

Well, I'm trying to say that you offered a RS solution with an optical seeker and 1 UAV. But why do you think that the RS itself as an UAV almost did not become costly? Here’s the laser seeker, as you said much cheaper. In general, in the comments you suggested to combine them (laser and optical). To shoot a column of Toyota tanks.

Not ... The optical seeker of such an ammunition and the UAV optical reconnaissance system will differ in price and capabilities approximately like a professional TV camera and a cheap cellular camera. For it is enough for the seeker to find a target in an area with a radius of several hundred meters from a force. MS, after all, it is not the GOS that leads to this region, but the ANN with correction by the ZhPS. GOS only as a "closer".
The laser system is not much cheaper. But there are two significant drawbacks. At the same time, one target designator can highlight only one target. And besides, the enemy can easily determine the fact of highlighting and begin to counteract.

Quote: KKND

I can’t understand why the RS is so complex with a complex GOS then the UAV itself is not at a cost? Perhaps a little cheaper, the command center of 100 operators is not needed.

What is cheaper, an intelligence system capable of detecting a target at a distance of 40 km or a GOS detecting a target at a distance of less than a kilometer?

[KKND]

Quote: Spade

What is cheaper, an intelligence system capable of detecting a target at a distance of 40 km or a GOS detecting a target at a distance of less than a kilometer?

There is a strong argument, I agree. But take Maverick. I ran it from the simulator. The pilot, while in the cockpit, through the display connected to the guidance head himself (using buttons) searches for the target (the camera rotates on the rocket). Finds, captures, and then the rocket flies to the image of the target itself.
Who will search in the Jet Shell? Neural network? Cheto's cool. The ancient "Maverick" from $ 160000 may have fallen in price.

[Saxahorse]

Barrage ammunition is interesting as a way to combat electronic warfare. No one forces him to constantly hang in touch with his MCC. He detected movement, threw a picture, received the go-ahead, can attack completely autonomously. Minimum exchange, no dependence on third-party data.

[mariusdeyeraleone]

What’s the point of discussing this? Of course, the Jews don’t act on the flyers of the Jews. It’s good that there’s even a training ground for testing. There people flee with round skulls, then they praise them all over. And they are like hares on a shooting range)))