8 Facts About Drang Nach Osten 1914 of the Year

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We once outlined in general terms the goals of participation in the Great War for the Russian Empire - based on the specifics of the coalition standoff (see For which the Russian soldier fought in the First World War). Now let's take a look at the nature of the problem - let's see if Russia and its allies (as they sometimes try to present) were the aggressors or was it about fighting a terrible danger to humanity: German hegemony in Europe and the world?

We called the article "8 Facts about Drang Nach Osten" 1914 of the Year. " As is known, “Drang nach Osten” or “Onslaught on the East” is an expression characterizing the aggressive policy of German feudal lords (and then German imperialism) towards the states of Central, Southeast and Eastern Europe, which was based on armed expansion to conquer living space. - at the expense of non-German (especially Slavic) peoples. Given the limited size of the article, we limit ourselves to pointing out the most characteristic facts characterizing this policy.



The Russian government already during the war formulated the main goals of the war, the core of which was the struggle against German aggression [RGVIA. F. 2583. Op. 2. D. 954. L. 22 – 22; D. 957. L. 16; D. 959. L. 35.].


German infantry offensive, 1914

Soviet historical science in the pages of the work of F. I. Notovich "The invasion policy of German imperialism in the East in the 1914 – 1918 years." M., 1947. described in detail the essence of the German aggression in the era of the First World War. The author of the latter is a doctor of historical sciences, a professor, a participant in the First World War and the Civil War.

8 Facts About Drang Nach Osten 1914 of the Year


Philip Ivanovich became one of the first professors of MGIMO, and in 1921 – 1930. He was an employee of the People's Commissariat of Foreign Affairs - and had access to the original documents used by him in the pages of his work.

We also used the translation work of the Reich Chancellor of the German Empire and the Prussian Prime Minister T. Bettman-Golvega, as well as other materials.



1 fact. The German Empire began the First World War with certain goals: having a previously developed program of conquering the peoples of Europe - as the basis for the subsequent conquest of world domination.

As you know, long before the war, politicians and scientists of the Second Reich developed the concept of the usefulness of the German race and the conquest of the last most of the world. It has been argued that the Germans are the people in the world No. 1. It is the German people - the creator and bearer of true culture and state principles. Pan-Germanists introduced the division of peoples into "full-fledged" and "inferior." It was declared that the latter (as befits the lower animals) multiply much faster than the “full-fledged” - and the Germans, as a “full-fledged” people, in order not to be crushed (and then the whole 1000-year-old culture of humanity will die) conquer Europe, then winning world domination and, as a result, establishing a “new order” on Earth.

Already in the first half of the nineteenth century. A “theory” of various types of nations appeared - “state” and “non-state”, “creative” and designed to serve as manure for “creative”. The Germans belonged to the first category, and the Romance and Slavic peoples belonged to the second category. In 50's This century, the Bavarian General Heilbranner argued the need for German dominion over Italy - after all, Italy is simply unable to remain independent. And Austria enslaves the Italian territories "on behalf of all of Germany." It was during these years that the program for the creation of the German “Middle Europe” appeared - and many Slavic and Romance lands were to be included in it.

If the French and the Spaniards became "decrepit", having lost the ability to state-building, then the Italians simply cannot be independent, and the Slavs, Hungarians and Romanians are in a state of barbarism and, accordingly, incapable of state self-government. Conclusion - only such a state nation as the Germans should dominate the Romance and Slavic peoples of Europe.



2 fact. Since the beginning of the 90's. XIX century. and until the beginning of the First World War, an extensive program of territorial seizures was developed. According to her should:

1. To conquer continental Europe, pushing France aside and resettling the peoples of the Roman-French branch beyond the Vosges and beyond. Somme. "The borders of Europe = the borders of Germany."

2. Push back Russia, resettling the Slavs in the Urals.

3. To establish a German protectorate over West Asia, South China, Indochina and Siam.

4. Create the African German Empire - including the German, French, Portuguese and Belgian colonies.

5. Create the German Pacific Empire - the center in the Dutch India.

6. Create a South American German protectorate (Chile, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, South Brazil, Southern Bolivia were to be included).

An interesting question about the attitude to the UK and the USA. It was declared that only benevolent neutrality could save these states from the fate of France and Russia. Otherwise - the dismemberment of their empires.

The Pan-German teachings, preaching long before 1914, stated that the main features of the “new order” were: depriving non-German nationalities of all property and political rights with the free transfer of movable and immovable property to the Germans.



3 fact. Initially, the German government disowned the Pan-German programs, but in fact the latter had a greater influence on the foreign policy of the Second Reich. T. Bettman-Golweg also admits this.

Enslaved Germany, Europe was assigned the role of a military, economic and political base for the subsequent conquest of world domination. But the prerequisite for the enslavement of Europe is a victory on Russia. Without this victory, the establishment of German rule over Europe is impossible.

4 fact. Germany’s ally Austria-Hungary, perfectly fitting into the Pan-German plans, had its own aggressive (and also quite extensive) plans. Austria's credit for Germany was the 900-year struggle against the Slavs, and, at the same time, the correct use of the lives of Slavic soldiers who were dying “for the great German cause”.

Austria-Hungary planned the enslavement of the still-free Balkan Slavic states (Serbia and Montenegro), the subordination of Albania, and complete domination of both the Balkan Peninsula and the seas - the Adriatic and Aegean. And in the future - the seizure of Russian Poland and Romania.

5 fact. The implementation of the above installations began in practice - immediately after the start of the world war. The annexation of Belgium and most of France was predetermined.

19. 08. 1914, the German Kaiser Wilhelm II, informed the Secretary of State for Maritime Affairs, Admiral A. von Tirpitz, that "France must be crushed." 28 August T. Bettmann-Golweg informed A. von Tirpitz that he intends to annex Liege, Namur, Antwerp and the territory north of the latter, and create a buffer state from southern Belgium.

The annexationist movement was led by the Pan-German Union, which united a number of powerful and influential unions (Naval, Military, Colonial, etc.), cadet associations and political parties (conservative, national liberal and independent conservative). Banks, industrial enterprises (for example, Krupp and Thyssen firms) and the Unions of Industrialists and Rural Owners subsidized and supported the movement. In writing, they demanded extensive annexations from the government, both in the West and in the East. For example, demanding to annex French Lorraine to Germany, the Longwith Brie and Belgium iron ore basins.

The government decided to lead the annexationist movement. T. Bettman-Golweg approved the notes, which contained demands for the redistribution of colonies and the annexation of a number of French territories - the Longwy and Brieu basins, the Western Vosges, Belfort, etc.



28. 08. 1914, the Presidium of the Pan-German Union, formulated the following objectives for Germany’s participation in the war:

1. Acquisition (for the settlement of German peasants) of the Russian territories: the Baltic provinces, Poland, Belarus and Ukraine.

2. Full annexation of Belgium.

3. The annexation of the Longwy and Brieant basins and the assignment of the Franco-German border west of the Belfort, Toul, Verdun, r. Somme.

4. Destruction of the marine hegemony of Great Britain and the acquisition of new colonies.

5. All captured territories must be cleared of the local population - because the empire needs only land.

6 fact. The thunder of the guns of the army of the Entente put an end to Pangerman designs. The defeat of the German troops on Marne, near Warsaw and Ivangorod, and the Austrian troops in Galicia dispelled the possibility of a German victory.





But in this period, Germany craved conquests. So, the Chief of the Naval General Staff, Admiral G. Paul 15. 10. 1914 was declared by T. Betman-Golweg that Bruges, Antwerp, Ostend, Brussels and Dunkirk should be annexed. And in the East "everything Russian" should be moved aside.

At the end of 1914, the Chancellor addressed a letter to the German headquarters - demanding reports with considerations regarding the economic and military consolidation of Germany to Belgium. A joint note of the Ministries of the Interior and Foreign Affairs of 31. 12. 1914 d. Pointed to the need for "restoring Belgium" - but only as a vassal state at the disposal of Germany. The latter should place permanent garrisons in Belgium, control transport (by occupying railways), ports and fortresses. Belgium lost the right to its own army. Moreover, it had to make annual payments to Germany, transfer all colonies to the latter and lose the opportunity to communicate with other states. The right to legal proceedings in Belgian territory was diverted to Germany. Belgium should have introduced German customs and labor legislation, transferring the right to collect customs duties to German officials. The Belgian franc was replaced by the German mark.



The Pan-German Union in December 1914 formulated a memorandum - the fruit of a long discussion of the central and local committees of political parties, the boards of major financial institutions, university departments and societies. In March - July of the following year, he was brought to the imperial chancellor, the High Command and a number of influential persons. What is the main idea of ​​this (Class - Huguenberg) memorandum? It is very indicative - the transfer of the German border to the west of the Belfort - Verdun - Boulogne line in Europe, and the inclusion in Germany of lands located east of the line from the Chudsky and Pskov lakes and to the mouths of the Dnieper - in the East.

Some more similar memorandums were accepted. The future empire should be divided into indigenous and conquered "Germany", and the inhabitants of the latter are deprived of not only political rights, but also all immovable and movable property - in favor of the German "masters". The agricultural appendage (“base”) was supposed to supply Germany with not only food, but also industrial raw materials. And since the lands suitable for this were in Russia, all these lands should be annexed to Germany. Russia was abandoned from the Black and Baltic Seas.

In secret negotiations with party leaders in 1915, the government agreed, albeit with some reservations, to these requirements.

On the basis of the program outlined above, a strong bloc was created in the Reichstag - the latter included a conservative, national-liberal, progressive party and a Catholic center.

The “moderate” annexationists (among them G. Delbrück) noted that Germany must necessarily annex the Baltics, Russian Poland, Ukraine and Belarus. Germany should take the place of Russia in the Balkans and in Asia Minor. The Second Reich should also create a vast colonial empire - including territories in Asia, Africa and the Pacific Islands. They again recalled “Central Europe” with the German “new order” - the basis for the future conquest of world domination. “Russia and the Russian people,” wrote P. Rohrbach, “should be dismembered, crushed and destroyed. Germany should become the“ undertaker ”of the Russian people." The wealth and territories of Russia are necessary for Germany - especially since after the reform of 1861, Russia made a breakthrough, having achieved great success in all spheres of life, and the population of the latter “multiplied too quickly”. Conclusion - if Russia intensifies even more, it will conquer Central Europe

And German political parties (including Social Democratic) spoke in favor of territorial increments, both in the East and in the West.

7 fact. But, as F. I. Notovich rightly pointed out, the failure of the Schlieffen plan during the historic battles in August-September 1914 in France, East Prussia and Galicia proved the inconsistency of the German plans to seize Europe and win world domination. Victories on Marne, in Galicia, near Ivangorod and Warsaw, laid the foundation for the victory of the Entente, predetermining the military defeat of the German aggressor. Hopes for the lightning victory of the German bloc collapsed - a protracted heavy war began, during which Germany’s temporary military advantages were expended — and without tangible political results. A protracted war for Germany meant the inevitable defeat.

The rushing of the High Command of the Germans from October 1914 to December 1916 from the Western Front to the Eastern and back was only "an attempt to escape from the stifling Anglo-Russian-French iron embraces."

Instead of the promised 01. 08. 1914, by the Kaiser of Victory “before the autumn leaf fall”, the German army proceeds to defense on the Western Front - in order to shift the center of gravity of its efforts to the Eastern one. This strategy did not bring any results - even if the Austro-Germans attacked 1915 in the summer, the Russian army suffered heavy losses.

It, as rightly noted by F. I. Notovich, cost the Germans and Austrians great losses, bleeding the latter and ended in the failure of Germany’s military-political plans. The Russian army, which lacked armaments, "brilliantly maneuvered, retreated, but did not allow itself to be surrounded or cut into pieces." Although she gave a huge territory, but resisted, retaining combat power. The Russian army withstood the joint onslaught of the German and Austro-Hungarian armies, in September 1915 stopped their offensive. Moreover, Russia loyal to the allied duty repeatedly rejected the peace proposals made by Germany to 1915 in Germany. As a result, instead of destroying the Russian army and concluding a victorious separate peace with Russia in 1915, as Germany had planned, a positional war began in the East - from the Gulf of Riga to Prut. And in December 1915, the German High Command acknowledged its military-political failure, and E. von Falkengine told the Kaiser in a secret note that Germany was not able to knock Russia out of the cohort of belligerent powers - but continued active operations on the Eastern Front in 1916. "Is fraught with danger for the German army."

The 1915 campaign in the East, despite great operational success, ended with Germany’s strategic failure, which failed to achieve any of the strategic and political objectives that had been set. At the same time, the occupation of Russian territories and the liquidation of Serbia cost the Austro-Germans tremendous sacrifices, weakened Germany and “did not bring them to victory, but only delayed the moment of defeat”.



A continuous and regularly growing grinding of manpower of the Austro-Hungarian, German and Turkish armies in the fierce battles of 1914 - 1915. on the Russians, the Austro-German and Caucasian fronts, the bleeding of enemy troops on the Eastern front, radically changed in 1916 and the situation on the Western front. The shift of the center of gravity of the fighting to the Russian front and, accordingly, the transition of the German army in the period from October 1914 to February 1916. to the defense on the French front, formed favorable conditions for the re-equipment of the French and British industry, the militarization of the latter, to create a powerful new industry, as well as for the formation and training of the millionth British army. And when the German armies from May to September 1915 bled to death in the fields of Lithuania, Poland and Belarus, the Anglo-French seriously increased and equipped their armed forces.

This, in turn, forced the German High Command to try to prevent the inevitable events — in the early spring of 1916, by shifting the center of gravity of their offensive operations to the French front — by attempting to destroy the French army. But in 1916, the German army was faced with completely different conditions of struggle on this front. And the Russian army, half a year ago declared “destroyed”, immediately came to the aid of the French allies, launching an offensive in the Lake District area in March 1916. Naroch - that prevented the sending of German reinforcements from the Russian to the French front. Similarly, the victories of the Russian army in Armenia in the winter - spring of 1916 broke down the military might of a German ally, Turkey, from which the latter could not recover. As a result, Germany suffered a defeat at Verdun.

And in 1916, a radical turn came in the war.
The Allied armies on the Entente switched to active and concerted action, both on the Russian and the French fronts. And the troops of the German bloc were forced on all fronts to go on the defensive. The offensive of A. A. Brusilov and the allies on the Somme was a turning point in world war.

8 fact. The Germans believed that once their troops occupy foreign territories, they are already “winners”.

And 23. 04. 1917 The German High Command and the Government decided to continue to pursue huge territorial acquisitions - at the expense of Belgium, Russia and France. 17 - 18 in May the Austro-Hungarian and German leaderships (also at the level of Governments and High Command) agreed that Germany receives Lithuania, Kurland and Poland, and Austria-Hungary attaches the Romanian, Serbian, Montenegrin and Albanian territories.

But the Austro-Germans began to realize that the war was lost. Despite this, the 9 of August, the new Reich Chancellor and the High Command of the Second Reich, agreed that they would seek the annexation of Poland, the Baltic states, the Longwy Brie and Luxembourg basins, as well as the vassal dependence of Belgium and Ukraine.

P. Rohrbach, in particular, wrote that Russia necessarily loses Poland, Belarus and Finland. He noted that if Ukraine remains still united with Russia, it will mean a tragedy for Germany. The Ukrainian question is a question of world politics. After all, after the separation of Poland, Belarus and Finland from Russia, the main danger for Germany will still not be eliminated - the elimination of the Russian danger is possible (if at all possible) only after the separation of Ukrainian Russia from Moscow Russia.

Thus, after the 1917 revolutions in Russia, German targets in the East, according to P. Rohrbach, were as follows:

1. The population of Russia should stop its growth. 2. Russia should be divided into parts not connected with each other, but with Germany. 3. Belarus should be annexed to Poland, it should also incite hostility between the Slavs - Russians and Poles. 4. Russia's desire to reach a free, non-freezing sea should be stopped. 5. Ukraine and other territories that are “economically tied to the Black Sea” should be cut off from Russia by 6. All elements striving for the disintegration of the state should be supported in Russia and give up peace with a government that can control the whole country. 7. Germany admits the existence of only a defeated (and “finally”) Russia. 8. If the German treaties fail to achieve the consolidation of the above objectives, it should take advantage of the situation in Russia, and, occupying the entire Baltic states, Poland, as well as Ukraine, Belarus and all Black Sea coast, keep these territories as a “pledge” - until all of the goals will be reflected in the relevant peace treaty.

Russia's withdrawal from the war led to a breach in the camp of the allies - and the aggressor, having received freedom of maneuver, fought for an extra year and, as a result, avoided a complete defeat.

In the “Brest period”, Germany and Austria-Hungary tried to consolidate the provisions of the above program by law - rejoicing in the illusory “successes” in the East.

It did not take long to rejoice - the victory of the Entente in the First World War, the victory that Russia “brought as close as possible” put an end to the shameful Brest-Litovsk agreements. By canceling the latter, the allies in the pages of the victorious Versailles Peace Treaty (Art. 116.) [See Versailles Peace Treaty. Full translation from the French original, ed. prof. Yu. V. Klyuchnikov. M., 1925. C. 55.] recognized for Russia (that is, in fact - represented by the RSFSR) the right to reparation from Germany - that is. actually ranked our country among the winners.



And this is far from accidental. Indeed, despite the 2 revolution, despite the fact that Russia did not manage to hold out the last 8 months until a near victory in the First World War, it solved the most important tasks. Breast Russia stood in the way of German expansion. And the Russian soldier of the First World War fought not only for the territorial integrity of his homeland - for the first time in the history of the 20 century, he also saved Europe.



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  1. +10
    26 June 2018 05: 21
    Much becomes clear. Thanks for the great article.
    1. +8
      26 June 2018 06: 54
      Quote: heavy division
      Much becomes clear. Thanks for the great article.

      I absolutely agree.
      Although many, unaware of our history, do not suspect, that the Germans went to WWII almost behind the same lands of Russia, with the same goals as in the Second World War.
      And this war = was Russia's struggle for survival.
      And how treacherous the slogan of the Bolsheviks turns this war ... into a civil war, their efforts to decompose the army! And this is during a mortal battle with the occupiers "! What would be with them in the Second World War, it is not difficult to imagine: a bullet.

      The author rightly pointed out that Russia is the winner in the WWII, as indicated in the Versailles world.
      It was not Russia that lost the PMV, but the illegal, unrecognized Bolsheviks. By which Russia and the Russian people were NOT instructed to sign the treacherous "peace" ..

      Dear author, many thanks for collecting in the article all the evidence of the true goals of Germany in relation to Russia - they were in every possible way obscured in great times.
      We can only add that on the occupied lands the Germans immediately bought a German population: the prohibition of education in their native language, the superiority of the German nation, etc.
      1. 0
        29 June 2018 14: 37
        "And how TRIENT is the Bolsheviks' slogan turning this war ... into a civil war, their efforts to decompose the army!" ...... (c)
        Familiarize yourself with the first decree of the interim government, about its influence on the troops and other consequences, by the way, the Bolsheviks were not there. And Lyalya does not need that the Bolsheviks wanted a civil ....
  2. +2
    26 June 2018 06: 03
    Germany declared war on the RUSSIAN EMPIRE and wanted to secure * de jure * what existed * de facto *.
    Few people know, but in Germany there was a ministry of colonies and RUSSIA was considered there as a colony for the Germans. The Germans were supplied with money and sent to the development of colonies in the RUSSIAN EMPIRE.
    The fact that the tsars in RUSSIA were Germans did not matter to the Germans in Germany. They went to colonize wild peoples. The samples for colonial administration were different in Europe, everything depended only on the number of aborigines destroyed.
  3. +8
    26 June 2018 07: 27
    The winners write the story. In this regard, Germany can be poured with mud. The rest of the participants had no less plans. Imperialism what to do.
    1. +6
      26 June 2018 07: 39
      Nobody pours Germany, but facts are a stubborn thing.
      We know Oleg that the Entente: 1) a reaction to the emergence of the Triple (then still) union, led by Germany. And by the way how it was created with difficulty (unlike the Germans and the Austrians, who immediately sang on the basis of the division of Europe); 2) the Entente mechanism in the chain was activated subject to German aggression.
      other participants had no less plans

      What kind? German colonies are cheap. How could this really interest England, and so possessed half the world? It is Germany that has plunged into the rich colonies of the Anglo-French.
      France - return Alsace-Lorraine? So this is its territory.
      1. +6
        26 June 2018 07: 54
        Quote: Brutan
        What kind? German colonies are cheap. How could this really interest England, and so possessed half the world?

        Are you up to date on the reconstruction of Poland under the Russian Tsar’s skipder? Do the straits tell you anything? Alsace and Lorraine are more German than French. We will also be silent about the economic threat to the Britons from Germany.
        At the beginning of the last century, Germany was the economic leader of Europe. And this is not an order for the Angles.
        1. +5
          26 June 2018 09: 31
          Are you up to date on the reconstruction of Poland under the skipper of the Russian Tsar?

          I am aware of the creation of free Poland, as an independent state, and not torn into 3 parts between Russia, Germany and Austria. And the scepters are changing.
          and the straits

          The issue of the Straits arose only after Turkey entered the war, there was no pre-war planning. But the question (and theoretically) was resolved only in March 15.
          That is, I got up after the treacherous, I emphasize the blow of the Turks in Russia and without declaring war.
          You can consider the issue of the Straits as revenge on the aggressor.
          And the question is long overdue. No wonder then I.V. Stalin also returned to this question.
          Alsace and Lorraine are more German than French

          these are theoretical considerations, like
          Germany will also be silent about the economic threat to Britons. At the beginning of the last century, Germany was the economic leader of Europe. And this is not an order for the Angles.

          It may be a mess, but an occasion not for war - but an incentive for economic competition. The economy of the British Empire is quite competitive.
          And Alsace-Lorraine (without going into history) - the Germans were torn away from France after the Franco-Prussian war. That is, legally before that it was French territory, which the republic had all the grounds and the legal right to return.
          1. +2
            26 June 2018 09: 53
            Quote: Brutan
            the king?
            I am aware of the creation of free Poland, as an independent state, and not torn into 3 parts between Russia, Germany and Austria. And the scepters are changing.

            That is, you say that at the end of the war, the tsar will abandon the Polish crown? A bold statement.
            Economics is not a reason for war? More than a bold statement. And what do they come from. From the beautiful eyes of the queen?
            1. +4
              26 June 2018 09: 57
              That is, you say that according to the results of the PMR, the tsar will abandon the Polish crown

              Naturally. Documents speak of the creation of independent Poland.
              Economics is no reason for war

              It is too vague and long lasting.
              1. +1
                26 June 2018 10: 31
                Quote: Brutan
                Naturally

                Thank you. I don’t see any leads for dialogue.
                1. +2
                  26 June 2018 10: 37
                  I tell you how it is written in the documents - in the Declarations and Manifests.
                  I see no reason for dialogue.

                  For God's sake
            2. +1
              26 June 2018 14: 56
              In 1914, the French ambassador to Russia, the Paleologist repeatedly raised the question of independent Poland. That is, in his opinion, after the victory, Russia was to lose its territories. In the end they told him to shut up. In cultural form, it was said: "The question of Poland, this is the question that can disagree with France and Russia."
              The allied "allies" were in Russia ...
    2. +7
      26 June 2018 08: 45
      Quote: apro
      The winners write the story. In this regard, Germany can be doused with mud

      DOCUMENTS are given to you, German, and according to their intentions in the Russian lands and in relation to the Russian people.
      Plans are not much better than in WWII. Or the history of the Second World War - the winners also wrote and Nazi Germany, they poured mud in vain ?! So it turns out, by your amazing logic.
      WWII, WWII-continued PMV-and I did not say that.
      Quote: apro
      other participants had no less plans. imperialism what to do.

      The USSR took Koenigberg, Memel is imperialism, in your opinion? belay
      1. +1
        26 June 2018 09: 15
        I can advise.Collapse into a tube and apply ...
        The Russians had enough good wishes. They are not talking about anything.
        Quote: Olgovich
        The USSR took Koenigberg, Memel is imperialism, in your opinion?

        Do not breed white red ... do not confuse round with soft.
        1. +7
          26 June 2018 09: 54
          Quote: apro
          I can advise.Collapse into a tube and apply ...
          The Russians had enough good wishes. They are not talking about anything.
          Quote: Olgovich
          The USSR took Koenigberg, Memel is imperialism, in your opinion?

          Do not breed white red ... do not confuse round with soft.

          That is, in your opinion, the poor German empire, being extremely peaceful and friendly to all peoples, was simply drawn into the bloody meat grinder of the Great War against its will and desire?
          And what kind of phrase “Don’t breed white Red ...” - what is Olgovich wrong in describing Koenigsberg’s accession to the USSR? That Stalin turned out to be a statesman and not a dreamer?
          1. 0
            26 June 2018 10: 43
            For me, Germany is the center of European civilization. Yes, it was drawn into the world massacre. Anglais.
            It is not true that the actions and desires of the USSR were fundamentally different from the imperialistic environment. The accession of lands had the main purpose of compensating for the country's losses. The population of the territories was deported.
        2. +6
          26 June 2018 10: 31
          Quote: apro
          I can advise. Collapse into a tube and apply...

          What is it like? recourse If you advise, then something good, Yes Yes ?
          Quote: apro
          Such good wishes and the Russians It was enough. They are not talking about anything.

          belay
          Describe the plans of Russia to tear away lands from Germany to Spree, evict and Russify the Germans.
          I note that the Germans managed to start IMPLEMENTING their plans in life in the occupied lands: Germanization WAS a reality!
          Quote: apro
          Do not breed white red ... do not confuse round with soft.

          Konigsberg-payment for aggression and misfortune (numerically small at that).
          In PMV, the same thing, if it is not clear!
          1. +1
            26 June 2018 11: 53
            Quote: Olgovich
            Describe Russia's rejection plans

            Read above.
            For Russia and the USSR, the WWII and WWII were somewhat different for one aggressive for the other liberating.
            1. +5
              26 June 2018 12: 23
              Quote: apro
              Read above.

              Once again: present Russia's plans to tear away lands from Germany to Spree, evict and Russify the Germans.. Or, problems with the search? I think yes.
              Quote: apro
              For Russia and the USSR, the WWII and WWII were somewhat different for one aggressive for the other liberating.

              If you are not in the know, I’ll inform you: Germany attacked us in WWII and WWII with the same and the same goals.
              You learned about Germany’s goals in WWII in your partner books, and learn about its goals in WWI today, according to DOCUMENTS (in this article, in particular), which they bashfully did not mention.
              1. +1
                26 June 2018 13: 01
                Quote: Olgovich
                You learned about Germany’s goals in WWII in your partner books, and learn about its goals in WWI today, according to DOCUMENTS (in this article, in particular), which they bashfully did not mention.

                Well, you know better from the cellar ...
      2. +1
        26 June 2018 13: 05
        Quote: Olgovich
        Plans are not much better than in WWII.
        Yeah! Just an appetite did not wake up.
  4. +5
    26 June 2018 07: 30
    Germany unleashed 2 world wars, which were imperialistic for her (unlike others)
    And escaped surprisingly easy. Yes, and now the leader of the European Union and again the strongest state in Europe
  5. +1
    26 June 2018 08: 02
    The war is usually based on more “mundane” reasons, of an economic plan, Germany was late for partition / seizure of colonies, wanted “justice”, but theories of exclusivity are more likely for domestic consumption, the flock must be stirred up and carrots given.
  6. 0
    26 June 2018 09: 29
    That is, the author believes that Anglo-Saxon world hegemony, a system of international relations in which Russia has the role of a tame bear on a chain, is better than the hypothetical hegemony of the German empire? Hypothetical because the Germans did not have the resources to single-handedly exercise world domination. But Russia is also the Germans. East Germans
    1. +5
      26 June 2018 09: 35
      Hitler's Ost Plan grew out of pan-German plans.
      And then what is fraught with the "new order", is it worth telling? Even the Belgians were terrorized in 1914.
      Do you like Germany at the head of Europe? 1940-1944 showed what it is.
      But Russia is also the Germans. East Germans

      And I thought - Eastern Slavs ...
      1. +4
        26 June 2018 09: 59
        By the way, and in WWII, based on this logic
        Nglo-Saxon world hegemony, a system of international relations in which Russia has the role of a tame bear on a chain, is better than the hypothetical hegemony of the German empire
        did we also play the role of the Anglo-Saxon bear?
        1. +1
          26 June 2018 10: 49
          Yes. The government acting in the interests of Russia would have pulled with the entry into the war, giving out vague promises to both parties as much as possible. And it would enter the war at the final stage, allowing the Anglo-Saxons and Germany to bleed in their struggle and saving the blood of their citizens and the country's resources.

          And, unfortunately, the role of the Russian Federation still plays. Yes, right there on the portal there was an article that, simulating a confrontation with Russia, Trump is playing against the EU.
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            26 June 2018 11: 36
            The government acting in the interests of Russia would have pulled with the entry into the war, giving out vague promises to both parties as much as possible.

            I omit the fact that Russia was a member of the military-political bloc.
            But this is not important.
            There would be no one to just make promises. Without the Russian front, Germans and Austrians of the Anglo-French and Serbs would have been spread in a month. Like in 1940.
            And then they would come to us with all their might - for Poland, the Baltic states, Belarus and Ukraine.
            It is good for Americans to sit out across the oceans. And we would not be given, it is obvious.
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              26 June 2018 12: 26
              Quote: Brutan
              I omit the fact that Russia was a member of the military-political bloc

              Now I will say sedition, but still. What was the need for RI to stand up for the Serbs, activating the scenario of a clash of military-political blocs? What was the practical sense? Austria would occupy Serbia, even if it would annex. How would the geopolitical balance change?

              Quote: Brutan
              Without the Russian front, Germans and Austrians of the Anglo-French and Serbs would have been spread in a month. Like in 1940.

              And let them be smeared. Would weaken a strong player (France) by weakening himself. They would not have reached England, she was on an island, at her disposal would be the resources of Fr. colonies (an analogue of De Gaulle would have appeared 20 years earlier). The English blockade would not go away. The United States would still enter the war on the side of the Allies (England), only earlier, there were good reasons. And they would bleed themselves more than in reality.
              Quote: Brutan
              And they wouldn’t give us, it’s obvious

              Yes, but in the end, RI would remain a force that could reverse the outcome of the conflict in one direction or another (as the United States in 1917). That is, the Republic of Ingushetia would dictate the terms of the peace conference, to whom to transfer what, who immediately needs to restore or create statehood, etc. It would be a world order created by Russia
              1. +4
                26 June 2018 13: 26
                And let them be smeared.

                But imagine that the French Front is no more. Schlieffen’s plan worked, and the Germans, acting on one front, defeated the French and British. Austrians are Serbs. Sumptuously! Germany escaped the war on 2 fronts, to exhaustion - what she wanted.
                And on October 1 (and maybe even earlier) 1914 (acting on internal operational lines, since the communications are excellent), not 1-2 German armies appear on the Russian front, but 9 units.
                And not 5 Austrian armies, but 7 pieces.
                Our army did not complete the last transfer only in November.
                Will our 10-11 armies be able to withstand 15-16 Austro-German?
                Just in October 1914, Turkey also attacked us. Naturally, Romania will also take the side of the Austro-Germans.
                And here it is
                as a result, RI would remain a force that could reverse the outcome of the conflict in one direction or another (as the United States in 1917). That is, the Republic of Ingushetia would dictate the terms of the peace conference, to whom to transfer what, who immediately needs to restore or create statehood, etc. It would be a world order created by Russia
                it would hardly be possible. That is the uniqueness of the situation for the United States, that they could sit out not even overseas (like the British), but overseas - entering the game at will. Continental countries did not have such a bonus. Even the British did not dare to sit overseas.
                And then what - 1941 in 1914 ?? The whole of Europe is working for Germany again, but we also did not have industrialization ...
                Of course, RIA is a very powerful and tenacious organism - it would move away, it would not allow boilers. We would be pushed back to the fall line of 1915. Only a new peace treaty would have to be signed alone, without the prospect of victory for all allies - losing the entire west of the empire: the Germans wanted the Baltic states, Ukraine and Belarus.
                Previously, they were far from fools - and it was possible to defeat the powerful military machine of the Austro-Germans only together, pulling its pieces onto itself and grinding it in parts.
                1. +4
                  26 June 2018 13: 33
                  Quote: Brutan
                  Naturally, Romania will also take the side of the Austro-Germans.


                  Also, by the way, and Sweden. In real life, she was thinking of joining the war, and if there was no Western front, almost 100%, which she could not resist.
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                  26 June 2018 15: 23
                  Quote: Brutan
                  And on October 1 (and maybe even earlier) 1914 (acting on internal operational lines, since the communications are excellent), not 1-2 German armies appear on the Russian front, but 9 units.

                  Therefore, I’m saying that the entry of RI into the WWI is a fatal mistake. Indeed, if there is no Russian front, RI is neutral since there is no reason for war (Serbia), then the British and French themselves are looking for a reason for the war and find it. If Germany is not the first to attack France, the Franco-Russian alliance does not “turn on”. And if Nikolai would have attacked, he could always agree with William if he wanted (given their correspondence before the start of the war in reality). If Germany had attacked the first on Fr., one could portray the “strange war” as allies in the next war, only ending it with peace. William did not want a war with Russia and tried his best to avoid it. And this was in the interests of Russia, because while Germany made its mortal enemies in the West, Russia would have stood aside, the growth of the RI economy would have continued, while all the closest competitors would have ruined themselves by war. Even after the defeat of France in the fall of 1914, the war would not end, England would continue to fight (it happened 20 years later), as usual with the hands of the Serbs, Greeks, anyone, that is, the conflict would have expanded without Russia + the occupation of France and the threat of British landings would link a significant part of the army in the west. And the entry into the US war on the side of England would also remain only a matter of time. Why would Germany attack the friendly-neutral RI in such a scenario? To be guaranteed to lose?
                  1. +5
                    26 June 2018 18: 09
                    Indeed, if there is no Russian front, RI is neutral since there is no reason for war (Serbia)

                    How is there no reason? The Austrians needed Serbia.
                    If Germany is not the first to attack France, the Franco-Russian alliance does not “turn on”
                    And she attacks. The Germans needed a number of French territories and Belgium (which means that the guarantor of the latter, England, also enters).
                    If Germany attacked the first on Fr., it was possible to portray a "strange war"
                    What a strange war at that time? The Germans would most likely have embodied Schlieffen’s plan by taking Paris — as 40 years earlier and 26 years later. In both cases there was no Russian front - and the Germans took Paris.
                    I agree with you that the world was a great blessing - as Stolypin once bequeathed. But in that situation it was impossible for a great power to find itself outside the bloc like some kind of Switzerland.
                    So I think that they would not have been allowed to sit out - and had Russia not joined on the side of the allies, let it be that the allies were destroyed alone.
                    And she would be next.
                    No, well, there was a second option - to surrender a number of German territories and remain, like Austria, its junior partner. Only for how long?
                    And is this worthy of Russia?
                    But the war could have ended differently and the victims would not have been in vain - it was worth enduring for several months.
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                      26 June 2018 22: 26
                      The war was needed by England (to destroy Germany as a competitor), France (revenge) and the United States (to consolidate its status as a world power) Neither Germany nor Russia needed a war.

                      You say that by defeating the allies, Germany would attack Russia. But Germany did not have the resources to defeat the alliance England + France + USA. Even defeating the French army and occupying France. How could such an alliance not be able to defeat Germany (provided that RI is neutral and therefore the English blockade is ineffective) And the fate of Germany in the war would depend on the position of Russia. In the case of neutrality of Russia, after several years of war, RI could:
                      a) Will join the Entente when the armies of the latter are exhausted and the economies of the member countries of the union are undermined by the years of war. Russia would be able to expose the Entente any conditions for its participation in the bloc, including on the post-war world structure.
                      b) Join the Triple Alliance and save Germany from defeat. Entente did not have resources (and not) to defeat the Russia + Germany alliance. And again, RI could expose the Triple Alliance any conditions for its participation
                      1. +3
                        27 June 2018 08: 29
                        Germany did not have the resources to defeat the alliance England + France

                        Germany had enough resources for a fleeting war. As history has shown - and repeatedly.
                        After the defeat of France and England, the United States would not have entered the war.
                        Naturally, after the defeat of the Western Front, there would be no war of attrition. Triumphant strategy triumphs.
                        And Russia alone is experiencing the 41st year - only earlier.
                        So your a) is fantastic.
                        Regarding b)
                        Join the Triple Alliance and save Germany from defeat. Entente did not have resources (and not) to defeat the Russia + Germany alliance. And again, RI could expose the Triple Alliance any conditions for its participation

                        So I wrote about it above
                        there was a second option - to surrender a number of German territories and remain, like Austria, its junior partner. Only for how long?

                        Younger partners do not live long. They are gradually undressed, and then attached. Remember the later Anschluss of Austria.
                  2. 0
                    27 June 2018 11: 02
                    "Therefore, I’m talking about the fact that the entry of RI into the WWII is a fatal mistake." ////
                    ---
                    I think so too.
                    But - what to do - ALL emperors had imperial thinking in those days (and how else? smile ) And the non-emperors (the French, for example) - too.
                    Expanding borders at the expense of neighbors or colonies, increasing the territory of their empire was considered
                    correct and normal. And Nicholas II was not wiser than other "wise men" ...
                    The understanding that economic imperialism is more advantageous than military imperialism was brought by the Americans later - in the middle of the 20th century.
                    Now it’s clear that having built a car factory (Toyota, for example) in another country,
                    You will gain more influence in it than by war with this country. But nations are learning gradually ... fellow
                    1. +4
                      27 June 2018 11: 30
                      That’s why I’m saying that the entry of the Republic of Ingushetia into the WWI is a fatal mistake

                      In the global historical perspective - of course a fatal mistake.
                      But in the current reality of 1914, entry into the war is, unfortunately, a severe necessity. So as not to be crushed alone then.
              2. +2
                26 June 2018 17: 27
                The good thing is an alternative story. A boundless flight of fantasy. By the way, no kidding, quite a useful thing. But the alternative course of events must have in mind the real basis.
                So, the thesis that Russia did not have to stand up for Serbia. And they would have a strong Russian Empire.
                And now the reality. In the 90s of the last century, literally in our memory, Russia did not stand up for Serbia. Did she become an authoritative player after that? Then Russia did not stand up for Iraq, Libya. Have you begun to take into account the opinion of Russia in the world? And finally, Russia stood up for Syria. Without touching on the question of whether Russia needs Syria, we note one fact. Real fact. The abandonment of Serbia at the mercy of Austria-Hungary turned the Russian Empire into a second-rate power.
                Leaving France at the mercy of Germany left the Russian Empire face to face with a united Europe. In 1941, it almost ended in disaster. In the realities of 1914 (personal qualities of the ruler), this would clearly end in disaster.
                You can argue a lot about what would be better. It seems to me that there was no alternative. Russia has always been seen by the West as a victim and legitimate prey. From this we must proceed when making decisions. And then and now.
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                  26 June 2018 22: 35
                  In the realities of 1914, the defense of Serbia (how and when did Serbia thank Russia?) Participation in the war on the side of the Entente ended in disaster, worse than which nothing can be imagined. The largest geopolitical catastrophe of the XNUMXth century is not the collapse of the USSR at all. The largest disaster is the fall of the Russian Empire
                  1. +3
                    27 June 2018 04: 49
                    The defense of Serbia is not a cause of war, but a reason. These are different things. The facts are as follows. The war was declared not by Russia, but by Germany. Moreover, declaring war on Russia, Germany took active action against France. Austria-Hungary took active action after drinking Serbia. Not against Russia. The reason for Aoyna is Germany’s desire to dominate Europe. What went against the goals of Russia. So, if Russia ceded to the dictates of Berlin, there would be no great Russia. There would be a vassal dependence on Berlin.
                    Russia was able to prevent the fall of France at the end of the 19th century and at the beginning of the 20th. In the middle of the 20th, Russia did not intervene and France fell. We all know how this ended for Russia. In summary. In any case, Russia would be drawn into the war. But in much worse conditions. In 1939, Stalin tried to put together an anti-German bloc. But he did not succeed. The result - the Germans stood near Moscow. In 1914, this did not happen.
                    You must always compare the alternative with the facts that happened in reality. Then our alternative story will be closer to the truth.
                    Addition. The First World War ended in the fall of not only the Russian Empire. If you remember, then 4 empires fell at once.
          2. +5
            26 June 2018 11: 59
            Quote: Force Multiplier
            Yes. The government acting in the interests of Russia would have pulled with the entry into the war, giving out vague promises to both parties as much as possible. And it would enter the war at the final stage, allowing the Anglo-Saxons and Germany to bleed in their struggle and saving the blood of their citizens and the country's resources.

            If Russia didn’t enter the war, Italy, having seen Germany’s first successes against France, would instantly emphasize “adherence to the Triple Alliance,” and this is the impossibility of transferring the colonial army to France, these are Austrian divisions on the western front ... Without Russia, France would be defeated until the end of the 1914 year, and without France, in those conditions, Britain would hardly have fought for a long time and preferred to come to an agreement - including at the expense of Russia. After which the path to the east would be wide open
            1. +4
              26 June 2018 12: 26
              Quote: Trapper7
              Without Russia, France would have been defeated before the end of 1914,

              What to guess? As it would be in 1914, it is clearly shown by History in 1939-41.
            2. 0
              26 June 2018 22: 39
              Britain would not agree with Germany, because it was Britain that was extremely interested in the war. But, of course, she would have traditionally fought with the wrong hands. There is an example of the defeat of France in 1940. Britain did not give up
      2. 0
        26 June 2018 10: 31
        It's about PMV. If the last Russian monarchs were farsighted, the German Empire would not have ceased to exist and Hitler would never have come to power. Belgium 1914 - if we are talking about the notorious infants with bayonets - this is the propaganda of the allies. They themselves recognized this. If the execution of the Freischerlers and the hostages is implied, then this was fully consistent with the then rules of the battle. In WWII, all parties practiced this. It became illegal to shoot hostages after WWII

        Quote: Brutan
        And I thought - Eastern Slavs ...

        The Byzantine term "Slavs" means the status of the people, not ethnicity
        1. +4
          26 June 2018 10: 36
          Why about bayonet babies?
          We are talking about hostages, mass executions and the burning of Louvain, etc.
          And not only Belgium. Have you heard about the theft of French women to Germany from Lille?
          So what started long before Hitler
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            26 June 2018 12: 38
            About the hostages and executions, I wrote below. This was within the framework of the then rules of warfare.
            The offending forces or populations generally may lawfully be completed to appropriate reprisals. Hostages taken and held for the declared purpose of insuring against unlawful acts by the enemy forces or people may be punished or put to death if the unlawful acts are nevertheless committed

            No, this is not a translation of the orders for any Erich Pribke. This quote is from the FM-27-10 Rules of Land Warfare revised 1940 (!) Year. These are the rules of the army’s battle “the light of democracy” in WWII
            1. +4
              26 June 2018 13: 30
              And the hijacking of citizens of the conquered countries - is this also said allowed?
              No convention allowed massacres, etc., clearly dividing into combatants and non-combatants.
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                26 June 2018 15: 54
                The above quote. It was allowed to take hostages and kill them. The rest of the hostages were on the rights of prisoners of war, that is, it was allowed to drive them to camps. And this was not allowed. Here is another quote from the same source:

                Villages or houses, etc., may be burned for acts of hostility committed from them, where the guilty individuals cannot be identified, tried, and punished.

                According to the “response” procedure
                The rule requiring careful inquiry into the real occurrence will always be followed unless the safety of the troops requires immediate drastic action and the persons who actually committed the offense cannot be ascertained [!].
                In other words, if necessary, it was allowed to shoot hostages and burn villages without investigation at all, citing the danger to their troops

                All this became prohibited only after WWII
                1. +1
                  26 June 2018 18: 11
                  Will you bring articles from the Conventions?
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                    26 June 2018 23: 03
                    The taking of hostages is prohibited only by the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949. Only in it does the corresponding article appear
                    1. +2
                      27 June 2018 08: 36
                      All right.
                      Here is the Hague Convention on the Laws and Customs of the War of 1907.
                      Article 50
                      No general penalty, monetary or otherwise, may be imposed on the entire population for those acts of individuals in which the joint liability of the population cannot be seen.

                      The Germans did - Louvain, Kalisz.
                      Article 56

                      The property of communities, church, charitable and educational institutions, artistic and scientific, at least owned by the State, is equal to private property.
                      Any deliberate seizure, destruction or damage to such institutions, historical monuments, works of art and science is prohibited and must be prosecuted.

                      Complied with?
                      And were deportations of civilians allowed?
    2. +5
      26 June 2018 10: 01
      I don’t know how about world domination, but Germany was quite capable of chopping off part of the territory from Russia, and therefore, the German Empire located in the neighborhood was far more dangerous for Russia than distant Britain and France.
      Why on earth Russia are the Germans? Russia is Russian (Eastern Slavs). If you mean Russia of the 9th century - Varangians, then Germany can be called France - Franks and Spanish Andalusia - Vandals and Italian Lombardy - Lombards. Again, based on this logic, German Prussia is not the Germans, but the Balts (Prussians).
      1. +1
        26 June 2018 10: 41
        In the short term - yes, she was capable, in the long term - it led to collapse (as the real story showed). France and (especially) Britain solved their tasks in the war with their hands, or rather with blood, RI. What Russia got in this war - the death of millions, the collapse of the state, the coming to power of overseas proteges

        The term "Slavs" did not mean ethnicity. "Slavs" as an ethnic group is an invention of the Pan-Slavists, which is not so many years old. The fantasy of the under-education that led to the oceans of spilled blood between the Oder and the Volga
        The Germans are not an ethnic group, but a nation consisting of different Germanic (and not only) peoples. Prussians - yes, also East Germans (The linguistic term "Balt" is incorrect. Historically, the Balts are a dynasty of Gothic kings)
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      25 August 2018 21: 47
      England dominated the colonial conquests when it promoted economic development in the colonies and could benefit from the colonies. When the population of the present USA decided that it would be better to live in an independent state, England, after a not very intense war, granted independence to the USA. India gained independence through nonviolent struggle. In colonial wars, the British did not show German causeless cruelty. The Germans are in Russia, in Polabia, in Pomorie, in Namibia, they either completely conquered the population, or destroyed, or completely left alone only after having exhausted all military capabilities. For gypsies, Slavs and Jews, the hegemony of the German nation could end in genocide. The confrontation with the Anglo-Saxons is taking place so far in the economic sphere and should not slide into a full-scale war. Also, in the late forties and early fifties, air battles between US and USSR aircraft did not develop into a full-scale war and ended after the USSR gained parity with the USA. But if the German or Arab nation had the resources of the United States, the world would have been waiting for a sad fate. The annexation of Alsace, Prussia or the Kuril Islands is a science for an unsuccessful aggressor and a warning to the possible ..
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    26 June 2018 09: 49
    the stump is clear - THE BASIS ON WHICH THE IVS AND CHURCHILL "MUCHED", with Roosevelt (Truman). while the Germans had little captured Churchill "calmly" looked at an alliance with the USSR, then the subconscious "prompted"
    and to destroy the state and 100 million hours in the center of Europe, according to the results of the WWII, is worse than Auschwitz.
    there was then and now there is no solution to the issue
  8. +5
    26 June 2018 12: 03
    Honestly, I didn’t know anything about the goals of Germany in I MB! Thanks to the author for a clear, concise article!
    Now it’s clear where the bumpy fuler came from. Even if not Schicklgruber, they would have appointed another. And it doesn’t at all, it turns out, gave rise to this vyser about world domination, but the whole German elite. But he is a simple schoolboy, who wrote off the plans that he had developed during his sentence for misconduct, having arrogantly appropriated their authorship in his “own struggle” (there are no references to the primary sources in his “works”)!
    Then right by these blond beasties, they hammer a complex of faults for half a century! Deserved in full! And another 1000 years repent for the millionth sacrifice!
  9. +4
    26 June 2018 12: 58
    Great article. It must be reminded that the Germans, Marx and Engels, shared the idea of ​​state and non-state peoples and were notorious Slavophobes.
  10. +2
    26 June 2018 16: 39
    In the same way, we can talk about Russia and all other countries. Philosophers and screamers are everywhere and it’s wrong to blame the country of their residence for the nonsense that they carried and carry.
    Imagine, after 20 years, Russia can be blamed for expansionary politics quoting Samsonov on this site. And before blaming others, you must first look at yourself.
    1. +2
      26 June 2018 17: 11
      Quote: Severski
      In the same way we can talk about Russia


      Please be kind. Please tell us about similar plans of Russia at that time.
      1. +1
        27 June 2018 04: 11
        You probably forgot about the straits?
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          27 June 2018 08: 41
          A million times already said
          The issue of the Straits arose only after Turkey entered the war, there was no pre-war planning. But the question (and theoretically) was resolved only in March 15.
          That is, I got up after the treacherous, I emphasize the blow of the Turks in Russia and without declaring war.
          That is, in fact, this is a measure from the category of consequences of the territorial undressing of the aggressor, and not from the category of pre-war and long-lived predatory planning
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            27 June 2018 16: 46
            Strange, but the author of this article indicates that this is a "primordial Russian mission."
            Do you want to argue with this?
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              27 June 2018 16: 59
              I would argue ....
              You were told that Russia did not raise the issue of the straits. And in general she tried to avoid a war with Turkey. Only after Turkey entered the war was a decision made about the straits. But .... if you don’t deal with copy-paste on the Internet, but put a sheet of paper in front of you and draw the dates of the most important events of 1914 and 1915, you will get an interesting picture about the straits. You will not find it on the Internet. You just need to read the literature, the opinions of key figures and look at the facts. And .... the picture with the straits will become a little clearer. And with the "allies."
              I would argue with the author ....
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                27 June 2018 17: 47
                I would argue with the author

                With the author of what? What is written about the Straits in this article?
                The second question is whether you can refer to a real document to confirm the presence in Russia of a DUO military-political planning aimed at tearing off the Straits from Turkey?
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                  27 June 2018 23: 23
                  As for the "argue with the author," see the post above. Not my post.
                  I was always amazed at the ability of people NOT to read written. My report said that there were NO PLAN plans to capture the straits before the war. They appeared after the outbreak of hostilities.
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                  27 June 2018 23: 36
                  Supplement about the straits. Just look at the date. And then again you say that I messed up something
                  March 3 1915 years, the French ambassador was even more firmly stated by the Emperor: “I do not recognize the right to bring the terrible victims of the present war to my people, without giving him a reward century old dreams. Therefore, my decision has been made, Mr. Ambassador. I will radically solve the problem of Constantinople and the Straits. ”

                  By the way, documents on the military planning of the landing operation in order to capture the straits can be found. Such planning has been carried out since 1908. Least. In February 1914 (before the war) a plan was presented. Rejected due to insufficient transport vessels. But ... military planning and political decision are always two big differences. A political decision by the leadership of the Russian Empire was adopted only in 1915.
                  1. +3
                    28 June 2018 18: 37
                    So I asked for a specific document.
                    military planning and political decision are always two big differences.

                    Naturally. But was there a military document. At what level, what was it called? Maybe this influenced the deployment of Russian aircraft in 1914?
                    A political decision by the leadership of the Russian Empire was adopted only in 1915.

                    Here I am about the same
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                      28 June 2018 21: 19
                      In the same 1908, various notes and proposals from naval sailors, in particular, from Vice Admiral L.A., arrived at the Naval General Staff of the Navy. Brusilova. In the summer of 1908, a Special Meeting was held, which received the highest approval. Based on it, operational developments were compiled under the heading "Top Secret" to organize the landing operation on the Bosphorus. The main goals for the capture of the straits were also set there and the reasons why this capture was necessary were explained. Here is what was said in one of these documents: “In the event of a favorable outcome for the main Bosphorus operation, wartime circumstances may cause our fleet to attack the Bosphorus together with ground forces. The supremely approved conclusion of the Special Conference on July 21, 1908 established that the political situation could force us to occupy the Upper Bosphorus.
                      ---------------
                      On February 21, 1914, a meeting was chaired by Sazonov with the participation of General Zhilinsky, Admiral Grigorovich and Ambassador Girs to Turkey on the landing operation in the Bosphorus. Both Zhilinsky and Sazonov believed that an amphibious operation could only be carried out under the conditions of a pan-European war. Admiral Grigorovich also considered the operation impossible at present, due to the unsatisfactory provision of troops with transport vessels.

                      http://militera.lib.ru/research/multatuli/index.h
                      tml
                      I do not have the documents themselves. Probably somewhere on the Internet you can find. But do not believe Multatuli P.V. I have no reason. The book "Lord bless my decision" Chapter 7, "Nicholas II and the question of the Black Sea Straits"
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                        28 June 2018 21: 45
                        That's just it that there is no such document.
                        All sorts of sketches there are no match for real operational-strategic planning such as the Schlieffen Plan or Barbarossa.
                        Suffice it to say that the operational deployment of Russian troops according to options A or D did not in any way reflect torrential issues. So there was no real planning on this topic before the war.
                        And the treacherous attack of Turkey (by the way - with aggressive purposes) forced Russia to wage war on the Caucasian front. Well, the appetite comes during the war - and then pouring planning began.
                        Which is natural and natural.
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                        28 June 2018 21: 51
                        And by the way, Admiral A.D. Bubnov, the head of the Naval Directorate of the Stavka, lamented that should include the Bosphorus operation in strategic pre-war planning. And he is right - this would allow systematic and high-quality preparation for her, and the operation itself would not have looked offhand in the eyes of the High Command.
    2. +4
      26 June 2018 18: 15
      Philosophers and screamers are everywhere and blaming the country of their residence for the nonsense that they carried and are carrying is wrong

      And what have philosophers and screamers to do with it?
      The German government took the Pan-German ideas into service. It has become a reality.
      The future empire should be divided into the indigenous and the conquered "Germany", and the inhabitants of the latter are deprived not only of political rights, but also of all immovable and movable property - in favor of the German "masters". An agricultural appendage (“base”) was to supply Germany not only with food, but also with industrial raw materials. And since the lands suitable for this were in Russia, all these lands should be annexed to Germany. Russia was cast off from the Black and Baltic Seas.
      In secret negotiations with party leaders in 1915, the government agreed, although with some reservations, with these requirements.

      Or
      23 German High Command and Government Decide continue to pursue huge territorial acquisitions - at the expense of Belgium, Russia and France. On May 17-18, the Austro-Hungarian and German leaderships (also at the level of Governments and High Command) agreedthat Germany receives Lithuania, Courland and Poland, and Austria-Hungary annexes the Romanian, Serbian, Montenegrin and Albanian territories.
      1. 0
        27 June 2018 04: 13
        But didn’t Russia try to get straits in the whole 18th and 19th centuries?
        Or tell you about the Black Hundreds?
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          27 June 2018 08: 38
          But didn’t Russia try to get straits in the whole 18th and 19th centuries?
          Or tell you about the Black Hundreds?

          This is what you are for. And what happened in the 17th century?
          Or can you tell us about the Octobrists?
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            27 June 2018 16: 50
            The ideas of Pan-Slavism originated in the 18th century. And in the 17th century the pope died.
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          25 August 2018 22: 06
          In the 18th and 19th centuries, Russia tried to protect itself from raids from the south or from genocide against peoples close to itself. Similarly, the United States, after the Algerian Bey demanded an increase in tribute received from the United States for non-aggression on merchant ships, sent a military squadron to blockade and shell the pirate harbors of Algeria. In exactly the same way, France in 1830, failing by means of diplomacy to return the abducted French women to their homeland, conquered Algeria solved the problem of the safety of shipping in the Mediterranean. Please note that peoples who did not create problems of Russia's security after the war received independence.
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        27 June 2018 16: 47
        Looks like you forgot about Pan-Slavism? Or was it France promoting it?
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          27 June 2018 17: 52
          We say that pan-Germanism has become a state policy.
          And advanced at the official level - by the government and the supreme command of Kaiser Germany. And then formed the basis of the ideology of Nazi Germany.
          And what is pan-Slavism? It really was a deal
          philosophers and screamers

          But pan-Slavism, in contrast to pan-Germanism, did not call for the establishment of a "new order", for cleansing the territories of the population, did not speak about the inferiority of some races, and did not rush for world domination.
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    26 June 2018 23: 11
    Honestly, I hardly read it. Hard to read. (Well, can I be so old)
    Everyone has their own opinion and will.
    Personally, I believe that we did not need to intervene.
    But. This is my personal opinion.
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      25 August 2018 22: 09
      In 1914 or 1941? And to give the Germans European Russia, and the Asian Asian, and themselves to starve to death?
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    28 June 2018 08: 05
    Another idiocy on the topic of how Russia stood on the verge of victory in the WWII.
    The author does not even bother to analyze the state of the country and society by 1917. Revolution as a consequence of this war.
    Beginning in 1861, the monarchy was doomed, but only participation in the WWII ensured the change of order in a revolutionary way. But naturally, the Bolsheviks are to blame for everything. Kindergarten, pants on the straps.
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      28 June 2018 18: 40
      Another idiocy on the topic of how Russia stood on the verge of victory in the WWII.

      No, the article is about something else. Not about the threshold of victory, but about the conquest plans of German imperialism, documented. After all, you need to at least read the article.
      In this sense, just this one looks like the next idiocy -
      The author does not even bother to analyze the state of the country and society by 1917. Revolution as a consequence of this war. Beginning in 1861, the monarchy was doomed, but only participation in the WWII ensured the change of order in a revolutionary way. But naturally, the Bolsheviks are to blame for everything. Kindergarten, pants on the straps.
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      25 August 2018 22: 14
      The author cited interesting and reliable data. The article meets the criteria of sound historical work. We must deal with the Germans carefully.
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    29 June 2018 05: 52
    Brutan,
    Not certainly in that way. The decision of the Meeting was highly endorsed. And there were plans. The fact that they are not on the Internet does not mean that they were not. Military planning is not the final decision. For example, in the USSR there were plans for access to the English Channel. Can you find the official document on the Internet? Hardly. Does this mean that there was no planning?
    Another thing is that Russia included the requirement for straits AFTER the outbreak of war. Turkey declared war. But the dates are interesting here. War with Turkey was declared in the fall of 1914. By the end of the year, the king set the goal of mastering the straits. Then this requirement was brought to the attention of the Allies. And .... Churchill begins to hastily prepare the Dardanelles operation. In order to capture the straits and prevent the Russians there. I have already said that Russia had strange "allies."
    The same book of Maltatuli says that the tsar’s headquarters clearly understood that England was trying not to let Russia into the Bosphorus. And France demands tearing Finland and Poland away from Russia. It is on this basis that we must consider whether such allies are needed.
    By the way, this explains a lot in the politics of the USSR in 1939 and why Stalin did not go to an agreement with England and France. No trust - no agreement. An alliance with Germany, albeit without trust, provided much more advantages.
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      29 June 2018 08: 13
      And I’m trying to tell you that the operational-strategic planning AT THE BEGINNING of the war, not only about the Straits was absent. And the point is not only that this is not on the Internet - I have not found this in sources that are not on the Internet.
      REAL PLANNING for 1914 was absent. As confirmed not by someone, but by the head of the Maritime Department of the Bet.
      Planning appeared after the beginning of the database, which is not surprising.
      The absence of real operational-strategic planning for the dismemberment of Turkey before the war indicates the absence of real aggressive plans for Russia even on this front. And floodlights are just floodlights.
      Regarding the fact that the Allies were looking back - I do not argue. But ... any allies are like that. The Germans and the Austrians also had graters, even though the connection was stronger.
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        29 June 2018 09: 46
        We argue about nothing. Plans were and are being worked out. At the highest level. Up to the point that the king was in the know. Another thing is that the status of the straits before the war completely suited Russia. And because of this, no one was going to start a war.
        Dates are as follows
        October 29 Sushon arranges "Sevastopol wake"
        October 30 joint demarche of the ambassadors of England, France and Russia.
        On November 2, the British Navy receives an order to conduct hostilities against Turkey.
        Sazonov is silent as a fish on ice. The Russian Foreign Ministry does not give any notes or protests. And only on November 2, at the direct instruction of the tsar, Russia declares war on Turkey. Britain and France November 5th. The funny thing is that Turkey declares war only on November 12th. What they hoped in Istanbul is completely incomprehensible.
        And only after this, conversations begin that it would be necessary to determine the purpose of the war. And a simple and understandable goal is declared to the people - straits, Slavism and other nonsense like the centennial aspirations of the Russian people. Straits have existed for thousands of years and never interfered with trade in peacetime. It is the war that closes the straits.
        And here Churchill appears with the idea of ​​capturing the Bosphorus before the Russians. Both Fisher and Kitchener v. But Churchill is pushing for political consequences and pushing through the Gallipoli operation. Although a hundred years since Nelson, the British fleet knew the axiom "Any sailor who attacks a land fort is a fool." Throughout 1915, Gallipoli was stained with blood and only when it became clear that Russia could not land an landing, the Gallipoli operation was minimized, Churchill went to Flanders with the rank of captain for such nonsense.
        In 1917, Russia got out of the crisis and the landing on the Bosphorus became quite real. But here internal problems in the country had already begun, and a certain Ulyanov, with the drive of Lenin, buried all plans. Although before him all sorts of Guchkov and Kerensky tried a lot. But this is a completely different story.
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          29 June 2018 17: 39
          Of course we are arguing about nothing since it was the OPERATIONAL PLANNING regarding the Straits before the war - that was not. The operational directions, troop volumes, turn-based tasks, etc. were not indicated. As indicated by Rear Admiral Bubnov.
          The status of the straits before the war completely suited Russia. And because of this, no one was going to start a war.

          You're right. What was required to be proved - Russia's lack of aggressive intentions towards Turkey and the desire for a new Russo-Turkish war.
          I’m familiar with the further course of events, thanks

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