Battle for sobriety. How peasants declared war on vodka

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In 1858-1860 in the Russian Empire began riots, which took the character of a popular uprising. They encompassed vast territories from the Kovno province in the west of the empire to the Saratov province in the east. Even in Soviet textbooks they didn’t like to recall these events, which is no wonder - the trade in alcohol products for many centuries remains one of the most important sources of financial revenues to the state budget, regardless of how this state is called - the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union or the Russian Federation. “Temperance riots” - under such a name the events of those years were included in history our country.

Everyone knows that there has always been a special relationship with alcohol in Russia. Suffice it to recall the famous words attributed to Prince Vladimir in the adoption of Christianity: "We cannot relish Rus, without that being ...". However, for a very long time, for many centuries of Russian history, people drank, but could, as they say, “hold on”. They drank on holidays, on special occasions, drunkenness was severely condemned.



Sigismund Herberstein, the Austrian ambassador, who visited Moscow in 1517 and 1526, recalled:
Eminent or rich men celebrate holidays by arranging feasts and drunkenness at the end of worship ... A simple title is forbidden to drink drinks - beer and honey, but still they are allowed to drink on some very solemn days, such as Christmas, Maslenitsa, feast Easter, Pentecost and some others, in which they refrain from working ....


Battle for sobriety. How peasants declared war on vodka


However, in the 1552 year, Ivan the Terrible, taking an example from the Kazan Khanate, established taverns in Russia. And if in the Khanate in the taverns they ate and drank, that is, they were taverns, catering establishments, in Russian taverns they served only drink. At the same time, the fight against non-state trade in intoxicating drinks began. Trade in vodka and wine became one of the main sources of income for the state treasury, the benefit of the population in the Russian Empire was many and due to its soldering in the direct sense of the word it was possible to derive huge financial benefits. Therefore, it was decided that every male state peasant was assigned to a certain tavern and had to leave a certain amount there during the year.

Not all the peasants could or wanted to drink, but if they did not drink the established standard for a year and, accordingly, did not leave the necessary amount in the tavern, then the tavern owners, by virtue of their duty, collected the missing money from the sober and ulcer men. It turns out that even if a person for some reason did not drink or simply did not have time to consume the prescribed amount of alcohol, he still had to pay the cab.

State-imposed drunkenness has become a serious problem for the country. Following the peasantry drunkenness penetrated into the monasteries, the army. In serving people, drunkenness reached such proportions that many of them drank their uniforms and even weapon. Those of the dignitaries who sincerely were concerned about the situation, petitioned the kings, reported on the deplorable state of affairs, but the supreme power in the fight against alcoholism did not take any serious measures. It didn’t help even the fact that the boyar children themselves became subservient to the wine vice, who more often preferred reveling to learning the tricks of public administration and military science.



So Russia lived for centuries. Peasants and serving people drank and drunk, replenishing the state treasury. The state was rich in monopolies in the trade in intoxicating drinks. Kabatchiki had their own benefits, which the peasants hated, but to which they inevitably went to carry their money, and if not they did not come to the tavern, then the tavern would come to them.

The reason for popular indignation was the arbitrariness of the owners of pub houses, which was sanctioned by the state interested in increasing the cash flow from the trade in vodka and wine. For comparison: in 1819, the state received income from drinking fees in the amount of 22,3 million rubles or 16% state tax, and in 1859 year, forty years later, these revenues increased to 106,1 million rubles and amounted to 38% state tax. It was decided to increase the buy-out amount, which led to an increase in prices for vodka for the population in two - three times. At the same time, the quality of the vodka being sold has greatly deteriorated, which also could not but cause popular discontent. Tax collectors had a colossal profit by the standards of other traders - 110%, which was two to three times higher than the profits in other branches of trade.

People's reaction to the arbitrariness of the tax dealers did not take long to wait. Peasants were very unhappy with what is happening. The country began a spontaneous boycott of pubs, which gradually embraced the most diverse provinces of the Russian Empire. At the same time, the peasants in various regions acted in fact according to the same scenario - they refused to visit the pubs, buy alcohol, pay the cabbets a fixed amount of money for alcohol.

The sober way of life was becoming increasingly popular among the Russian peasantry. And we are talking about the most ordinary peasants, and not representatives of religious communities, among which drunkenness has always been censured. Peasants began to give up alcohol by whole villages. For drunkenness, community gatherings introduced corporal punishment, emphasizing that they “do not drink in our village”. Sobriety was a necessary measure, because the peasants saw how drunkenness destroys families, the habitual way of life of the communities, and impedes proper economic management. Therefore, rural communities began to take the most drastic measures. Near the taverns, the peasants set up guards that did not let in quite numerous people who wanted to drink inside the establishments. Those who did not obey the decision of the community, flogged.



The struggle for the sobriety of the peasants was supported by more educated sections of the population. Sobriety societies began to emerge in the country, the activities of which were soon banned by the authorities. As early as March 1858, the ministries of finance, internal affairs and state property issued an order to local authorities not to allow the creation of sobriety societies in the provinces, to refrain from consuming wine categorically to stop.

But the directives of officials unfolding the wave of popular sobriety could not be stopped. In December, 1858 was proclaimed a boycott of kabaks and alcohol in the Balashov district of the Saratov province, in December 4752. It was just one of the mildest episodes in the struggle for sobriety. 20 May 1859 of the year in the city of Narovchaty, Penza province, a crowd gathered at the bazaar, began to threaten pogroms of drinking houses. The police responded quickly and the most active protesters were immediately captured. However, the unrest has not stopped. Within three weeks, more than 50 drinking houses in seven counties of the Penza province were destroyed. Rural elders and district chiefs who tried to resist the pogroms of the taverns were beaten up. In the village of Ise, protesting peasants wounded an officer, in the city of Trinity attacked a military team.

Similar events took place in many other regions of the Russian Empire. In Nikolayevsk, the Samara province, peasants and otkhodnik workers crushed all drinking establishments, and the police, realizing that they could not resist the popular elements, chose to retire. The districts of the Orenburg and Simbirsk regions were in turmoil, with rumors among the peasants that the government was about to cancel the existing buy-out system, but the landowners resisted. Therefore, the spontaneous leaders of the protesters called first to smash the pubs and wine shops at fairs, and then get to the landlords, who allegedly stand behind the ransom system.



In Volsk 24 July 1859, the real riots began. A crowd of three thousand people staged a pogrom at the fair, breaking wine stalls. The guardians and policemen who were guarding the order could not cope with the crowd. Disabled teams and units of the 17 artillery brigade arrived to help the police. However, the rebels were able to disarm the police and soldiers and freed the prisoners of the local prison. The riots swept not only Volsk, but also Volsky and neighboring Khvalyn counties. The people's element was raging for several days, before the troops from Saratov were sent, who were able to restore relative order. 27 people were arrested, and in the counties - 132 people. Nevertheless, the damage to the treasury turned out to be significant - in two days 37 taverns were defeated in Volsky district. Naturally, the state immediately shifted the expenses of their restoration to ordinary people, imposing heavy fines on the peasants of the county, who were sent to restore the pubs.

Prince Vasily Dolgorukov, chief of gendarmes, reported to Emperor Alexander II:

During 1859 g. we had an event, quite unexpected. The inhabitants of the lower classes, who, as it seemed, could not exist without wine, began to voluntarily refrain from drinking strong drinks.


As expected, officials preferred to immediately refer to external intrigues, rather than acknowledge the destructiveness of state policy for the country and its people. The chief of the gendarmes Dolgorukov reported to the emperor that in the Kovno province the Roman Catholic church was behind the emergence of sobriety brotherhoods, since the sobriety fraternity was established by Pius IX and now the Catholic priests in churches call on the people to join the sobriety fraternity. Under the influence of these brotherhoods, the Kovno province and more than half of the population of the Vilna and Grodno provinces found themselves. But if in the Kovno, Vilna and Grodno provinces the Catholics did make up the bulk of the population and therefore it was possible to discern the intrigues of the Vatican and its agents, then what about the original Russian and Orthodox provinces? Is there also a “pope's fault”?

In a memorandum, the chief of gendarmes reported that the sobriety movement began in the Saratov province, as we noted above, then spread to the Ryazan, Tula and Kaluga provinces, and soon the inhabitants of the Samara, Orel, Vladimir, Moscow, Kostroma regions joined the inhabitants of these provinces. , Yaroslavl, Tver, Novgorod, Voronezh, Kursk, Kharkiv provinces.
Temperance riots swept 32 provinces of the Russian Empire. 260 drinking establishments were crushed, and 219 of them were located in the provinces of the Volga region, which became the epicenter of unrest. Tens of thousands of peasants participated in the riots.

The scale of the speeches can be judged by the number of those arrested. Historian V.A. Fedorov talks about 780 arrested members of sober revolts. They were tried by the military courts, who, as punishment, appointed them with gauntlets and exile. The main part of the arrested accounted for state peasants, retired soldiers, burghers. Other sources call the far greater numbers of those arrested and convicted - up to 11 thousands of people.
Despite the harsh suppression, sober riots still led to certain consequences. In 1860, Alexander II decided to replace the buyout system with an excise system from 1863. However, the abolition of outposts did not lead to a real change in the situation in the field of drunkenness and the alcohol trade. The number of taverns in Russia grew rapidly and already several years after the transition from the payoff to the excise system increased six times, making up more than 500 thousand drinking establishments in all the provinces of the country.

The activity of supporters of sobriety continued to be viewed as seditious, undermining the economic foundations of Russian statehood. The ideas of sobriety, by the way, really actively exploited revolutionary organizations of a socialist kind at that time.

Only by the end of the 19th century did the authorities of the Russian Empire begin to realize the destructive scale and consequences of the alcoholization of the population. Drunkenness was inevitably followed by declining productivity, unemployment, begging, prostitution, crime, and suicide. Therefore, the state has ceased to interfere with the activities of societies and sobriety groups involved in organizing tea drinking, lectures, and charitable activities. But the state did not render support to these voluntary popular societies either, knowing full well the dependence of the country's income on trade in vodka. Rather, the activities of sobriety societies simply turned a blind eye, preferring not to notice them. Only in 1913, the last Russian emperor Nicholas II for the first time received a delegation of sober in Tsarskoye Selo.
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  1. +6
    18 June 2018 05: 20
    The farmers had a huge profit by the standards of other traders - 110%, which was two to three times higher than the profit in other sectors of the trade. How many years have passed ... But the rate of profit in Russian business has not changed ...
    1. +15
      18 June 2018 05: 39
      I was very surprised, just struck by the phrase that the ministries fought with sobriety societies and warned against joining them. Somehow it does not hang on the image of Russia, "which we lost." Crusaders know nothing about this, I guess. Thank you for the story of those events, Ilya.
      1. +8
        18 June 2018 06: 56
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Somehow does not hang into the image of Russia, "which we have lost." Crusaders know nothing about this, I guess.

        It fits if you know the History and figures: before the Thief, in RI more than 54% of men and 95% of women and adolescents did not know what alcohol is in general. Compare with the 1980s.
        1910 - the teaching of sobriety was introduced in the schools of the Empire, and the first All-Russian sobriety congress was held in 1909

        1913, the Emperor wrote: "I wish all-round distribution throughout the land of the Russian sober movement"
        On January 30, 1914, the Minister of Finance V.N. was dismissed by a rescript of Nicholas II. Kokovtsev, and in a rescript addressed to his successor P.L. Barca proclaimed a new financial policy with the refusal to receive a substantial part of government revenue through the sale of breech vodka
        With the outbreak of war, an actual ban on the sale of alcohol was introduced.
        1916 - enacted Prohibition for ETERNAL TIMES.

        BUT-the Bolsheviks came and the dry law was repealed in 1923 and-it took:
        Stalin:
        Which is better: bondage of foreign capital or the introduction of vodka - that was the question before us. It's clear that we stopped at vodka,

        He:
        Where to get the money from? It is necessary, in my opinion, to increase (only possible) vodka production.

        Need to drop false shame and directly, openly go to the maximum increase vodka production with a view to ensuring real and serious defense of the country. Therefore, it is necessary to take this matter into account immediately, setting aside the corresponding raw materials for the production of vodka and formally fixing it in the state budget of 30-31. serious development of civil aviation also requires a lot of money, for which, again will have to appeal to vodka".

        Factories were built, mass production of primarily strong drinks was established, vodka 56 gr appeared.
        Soldering population for income has taken a disastrous scale
        1. +11
          18 June 2018 07: 24
          Quote: Olgovich
          in RI, more than 54% of men and 95% of women and adolescents did not know what alcohol is at all

          Yeah, they didn’t know so well drinks drinks drinks alcohol that was required to enter:
          Quote: Olgovich
          teachings of sobriety in the schools of the Empire

          laughing laughing laughing
          Quote: Olgovich
          the Bolsheviks came

          ... and launched the production of high-quality and inexpensive vodka. And now people did not choke on a pool of dubious origin, but consumed decent alcohol. And the money came to the treasury.
          Quote: Olgovich
          Soldering population for income has taken a disastrous scale

          Soviet cattle built powerful industry and advanced science; won the worst war and the first to go into space - and all this without leaving the binge ... Olgovich revealed yet another secret to the success of the Soviet Union lol
          1. +3
            18 June 2018 09: 38
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            set up a release high-quality and inexpensive vodka.

            And since 1923 they began soldering population, FOREVER, seemingly canceled 7 years ago in the Russian Empire.
            Which, of course, led to quick "remarkable" results: in the working environment, alcohol consumption from 1924 to 1928. increased 8 times. According to a 1927 survey, in large cities in the European part of the RSFSR, only young workers spent already 16-17% of their earnings on beer and wine, i.e., one and a half times more than on books. In Leningrad, the question of the systematic consumption of alcohol in the affirmative answered 58% of young men and 23% of women. In the small town of Shuya all young workers drank vodka and beer, and almost half of them did not hide the fact that, if possible, they drank “until they lost consciousness.”
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            Soviet cattle built powerful industry and advanced science;

            To call "cattle" their people can only this.
            A powerful industry does not fall apart, but exists and develops: see the industries of the West, Japan.
            And here is what has been achieved for sure:
            in 1984, the USSR already consumed per capita 12 liters of alcohol. Moreover, according to the estimates of an independent American researcher V. Treml, on the eve of the anti-alcohol campaign in 1985, the level of per capita alcohol consumption was 14,2 liters.

            According to the Commission of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU to Combat Drunkenness and its head M. Solomentsev for April 1984 in the Soviet Union, there were 25 million drinkers. However, one of the initiators of the anti-alcohol campaign, academician F. Uglov, believed that their number reaches 37-40 million., i.e. each the seventh resident of the USSR was an alcoholic.
            Trifonov E.
            According to alcohol consumption per person, in 1984, the USSR is unconditional world leader.
            Be proud! fool -with "achievements" fool
            For comparison: Before the Thief, among the advanced countries of the world, Russia was in the penultimate place in per capita alcohol consumption for three centuries from the XNUMXth to the beginning of the XNUMXth century. At the beginning of the XNUMXth century, only Norway drank less Russians in Europe.
            1. +4
              18 June 2018 09: 58
              Quote: Olgovich
              Be proud!

              Mr. yap, I'm proud of the achievements of the Soviet period even without your prompting wink
              Quote: Olgovich
              from 1923, they began to solder the population ... alcohol consumption from 1924 to 1928 increased 8 times ... already spent 16-17% of earnings on beer and wine ... drank vodka and beer ... drank "until they lost consciousness ".

              How scary it was to live in a terrible USSR crying crying crying
              1. +2
                18 June 2018 11: 25
                Quote: rkkasa 81
                Mr. yap, I'm proud of the achievements of the Soviet period even without your prompting


                T.
                Quote: rkkasa 81
                Mr. yap
                , the leadership of the USSR in the world in the consumption of pure alcohol per capita is a matter of pride for you! Yes fool
                Bravo! good It's five!lol
            2. +3
              18 June 2018 10: 53
              and RI was like that

              The peasants were starving, among other things, because they distilled grain for alcohol - the tsarist government forcibly bought grain at a solid (read, understated) price, while stupidly proclaimed a dry law, so it was more profitable for a peasant to transfer grain to alcohol and sell it to the city than to give grain for nothing, and given that grain in the northern provinces was always in short supply, the money received from the sale of alcohol was intended for the purchase of potatoes or rye.
              so the roots of Russian alcoholism are definitely tsarism.
              1. +1
                18 June 2018 11: 28
                Quote: Bar1
                so the roots of Russian alcoholism are definitely tsarism.

                Yes Yes: Yes consumption of pure alcohol with damned tsarism (1915,1916) - 0,2 l / person,
                under socialism, only after 70 years (1984)-12 L.
                It has grown "all" 60 times! fool
                1. +3
                  18 June 2018 11: 32
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Quote: Bar1
                  so the roots of Russian alcoholism are definitely tsarism.

                  Yes Yes: Yes consumption of pure alcohol with damned tsarism (1915,1916) - 0,2 l / person,
                  under socialism, only after 70 years (1984)-12 L.
                  It has grown "all" 60 times! fool


                  damn you wrote an entire article how the Romanovs soldered Russia, and as for the late period of the USSR, it was not the communists in power, but the traitors who surrendered the USSR, which soldered the people.
                  1. +3
                    18 June 2018 11: 41
                    Quote: Bar1
                    how the Romanovs soldered Russia,

                    The Romanovs, with the full support of the people, introduced No alcohol law in Russia FOR ETERNAL TIMES!
                    Which you canceled. Remember! Yes
                    Quote: Bar1
                    as for the late period of the USSR, this is already were not communists in power, and the traitors who surrendered the USSR, who soldered the people.

                    Ahhh, Martians landed and-right in power! lol laughing
                    Where the real communists have gone while remains a mystery .... recourse
                    Discover this great secret, share it! Yes hi
                    1. +4
                      18 June 2018 11: 57
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      The Romanovs, with the full support of the people, introduced the Prohibition in Russia for ETERNAL TIMES!


                      and under Alexander 2 or Peter 1, too, the people expressed "full approval" of the policy of the kings or did not approve?
                      There is no need to say stupidity, there are no democratic things in nature such as “full approval” or “full condemnation”, to say this is to mislead people, and there is only one political will of the head of state.
                      He wanted his people to drink, the people to drink, wanted to drop the toughness of alcoholization — slaves are needed — you have laws on the Prohibition Law or sobriety societies, or on stalls, or on shops near schools, or on a ban on advertising beer. Then once and annulled the ban on the sale of beer and people again drink.

                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Which you canceled. Remember!


                      your head is not in order, I did not cancel and did not accept.
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Ahhh, Martians landed and-right in power!
                      Where the real communists have gone while remains a mystery ....
                      Discover this great secret, share it!


                      did they make a rzhachnik? Well, this is predictable with such a category of "historof" as you, I did not expect another.
                      As for power, usually every scum is always going to power, with rare exceptions, because the laws of getting into power are the same - flattery, licking, servility, sneakiness, opportunism, to do as it is customary in power regardless of ethics and morality and like that become "their own on the board."
                      Power is one people, and the population around is another people.
                      1. +1
                        18 June 2018 12: 43
                        Quote: Bar1
                        and under Alexander 2 or Peter 1, too, the people expressed "full approval" of the policy of the kings or did not approve?

                        The Prohibition Law was adopted in the State DUM of RI, teach the government of Russia!
                        Quote: Bar1
                        There is no need to say stupidity, there are no democratic things in nature such as “full approval” or “full condemnation”, to say this is to mislead people, and there is only one political will of the head of state.
                        He wanted his people to drink, the people to drink, wanted to drop the toughness of alcoholization — slaves are needed — you have laws on the Prohibition Law or sobriety societies, or on stalls, or on shops near schools, or on a ban on advertising beer. Then once and annulled the ban on the sale of beer and people again drink.

                        The State Duma was elected by the people. Civil society initiated the Law.
                        Quote: Bar1
                        rzhachnik arranged?

                        belay
                    2. +5
                      18 June 2018 12: 14
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      The Romanovs with the full support of the people, introduced the Prohibition in Russia for ETERNAL TIMES!

                      Was there a referendum? laughing
                2. +6
                  18 June 2018 13: 20
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Quote: Bar1
                  so the roots of Russian alcoholism are definitely tsarism.

                  Yes Yes: Yes consumption of pure alcohol with damned tsarism (1915,1916) - 0,2 l / person,
                  under socialism, only after 70 years (1984)-12 L.
                  It has grown "all" 60 times! fool
                  -
                  1) modestly remind you that in the villages no one canceled drinking moonshine
                  2)0,2l / h arose in connection with the introduction of the Prohibition, when they officially stopped selling because of the Prohibition, but did not drink less, there was the use of denatured alcohol and other alcohol-containing liquids (described in the hood / literature, including pre-revolutionary and memoirs - many times)
                  3) In a similar situation in 1985, official consumption also declined, but there were men with watermelon, denatured alcohol, cologne and the famous
                  "..or shakes the bf on the drill
                  il moonshine drives power out of spite .. "© SG

                  Z.Y. the production of alcohol / vodka under the USSR was controlled at times more qualitatively (there wasn’t a private trader, but the factories are all under control).
                  Who could forbid Smirnov / Shustov to put their products on the black market - if at the same time suppliers managed to supply PAPPET outsole for the army ?? The main local police officer? Yeah, I believe ...
                  Therefore, the number in 0,2 l / h - it is from the evil one
                  1. +1
                    18 June 2018 14: 21
                    Quote: your1970
                    but did not drink less, the use of denatured alcohol and other alcohol-containing liquids arose (described in the hood / literature, including the pre-revolutionary and memoirs - many times

                    Steel, for accessibility has become less. As in 1985 This is not about drunkenness (with those understood), but article-one for pleasure.
                    Quote: your1970
                    Therefore, the number in 0,2 l / h - it is from the evil one

                    From statistics.
                    The same as after the revolution.
                    1. +5
                      18 June 2018 14: 56
                      1) availability dipped for a month - two, no more, and then returned to the same level
                      2) I repeat-OFFICIAL reduction in consumption is crap in both 1915 and 1985, decreased OFFICIAL sales and substitutes were found right there. Moreover, in 1915, it was forbidden for industrialists to let go of the black market - well, theoretically, it was possible, but practically ...
                      Unlike the planned USSR - where if alcohol did not enter the funds, then you won’t make vodka, and don’t even have to do it, because the alcohol plan was cut down ..

                      RI was close to the prohibition of the United States - where it seems like it is forbidden, but everyone knows- WHAT in teapots ...
                      1. +1
                        19 June 2018 06: 44
                        Quote: your1970
                        1) availability dipped for a month - two, no more, and then returned to the same level

                        With a fright?
                        Quote: your1970
                        ) I repeat, the OFFICIAL reduction in consumption is crap both in 1915 and in 1985, OFFICIAL sales decreased, and substitutes were found right there. Moreover, in 1915 it was possible to prohibit industrialists from letting the black market into the black market, but practically .. .

                        I repeat, the substitutes NEVER replaced and could not replace the officer. volume of production.
                        “Practically” does not need to be justified theoretically, but shown practically, that is, by facts.
                        Quote: your1970
                        Unlike the planned USSR - where if alcohol did not enter the funds, then you won’t make vodka, and don’t even have to do it, because the alcohol plan was cut down ..

                        They drove moonshine from everything in the world: a recipe for stools by O. Bender.
                        Quote: your1970
                        RI was close to the prohibition of the United States - where it seems to be forbidden, but everyone knows- WHAT in the teapots

                        Nonsense: Russia before the Thief was most non-drinker country of the Kruun developed powers.
                        In Europe, for example, less than in Russia, they drank only in Norway ...
                      2. +3
                        19 June 2018 08: 59
                        1) open the literature (BEFORE revolutionary !!) and read HOW Seeing off to the front. Looking for excerpts - that everyone drank echelons with theirselves, how gentlemen the officers at the front drank the entrusted property / treasury (and by the way, unlike in peacetime, they didn’t shoot already!), as the rear officers stuffed their pockets and noted deals in taverns with teapots, as the intelligentsia thumped in restaurants, thank you. I read it, and you think too ...
                        "... they forced me to pour Madera into a basin, after which they began to lap from there like dogs, and then howled at the moon. After the remark, they took off their clothes and ran naked on all fours .." - not verbatim, but close to the text
                        And do not say that they say that the damned Bolsheviks came up with-these descriptions are in the documentary literature of the WWII period
                        2)
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        I repeat, the substitutes NEVER replaced and could not replace the officer. volume of production.
                        - We completely replaced ourselves in 1985, quite - we found it. Lovers of cognac began to make tincture in the middle of walnuts
                        3) show practically volume growth black market in 1915 - if you know any method (other than counting according to newspaper notes and / or police protocols) - tell me. I DO NOT know such methods
                        4) in the Trans-Volga region there were "halakhas" - workers drunk to such a state that in the winter the owners did not let them out of the heat (they would freeze). The owner brought one or two sheepskin coats and felt boots (they even managed to drink on the naked body) and took him to work. In the evening the sheepskin coat climbed up. They were not allowed to take them in, they will drink it all. The word "halakha" is pre-revolutionary

                        Z.Y. if the Russian peasants were not drinking and God-chosen, why did they then burn the bar with the children alive and gaze out at the horses?
                      3. +1
                        19 June 2018 10: 55
                        Quote: your1970
                        1) open the literature (BEFORE revolutionary !!) and read HOW they escorted to the front. Look for excerpts - that everyone drank echelons like gentlemen officers at the front drank entrusted property / treasury (and by the way, unlike in peacetime, they didn’t shoot already! ), how the rear officers stuffed their pockets and noted deals in taverns with teapots, how the intelligentsia thumped in restaurants, thank you. I read it, and you think too ...

                        Russia before the Thief is the most DRINKING country in Europe and in the world among developed countries.
                        No one could challenge this fact. In this case, drunkenness, of course, was, but the scale is not the same.
                        Quote: your1970
                        why they began to lap from there like dogs, and then howled at the moon.

                        Remember, remember:
                        "That day, then our path is shorter to the grave," they languidly deduced.
                        passengers. They felt sorry for themselves, it was a shame that they
                        never been students. Chorus they performed loud
                        voices:
                        "By the glass, by the small, tirlim-bom-bom,
                        tyrlim bom bom. "
                        - Wait! cried the hunchback suddenly. - Come back! Soul
                        burns.
                        In the city, riders seized a lot of white bottles and some
                        broad-shouldered citizen. We broke a bivouac in the field, had dinner with vodka,
                        and then, without music, they danced a polka-yoke.
                        Tired of a nightly adventure, Kozlevich all day
                        dozed off at the helm in his parking lot. And by evening came yesterday
                        the company, already tipsy, got into the car again and all night
                        scampering around the city. On the third day the same thing happened.
                        Night feasts of a merry company, led by a hunchback,
                        lasted two weeks in a row. Joy of motorization had
                        strange influence on the clients of Adam Kazimirovich: their faces
                        swollen and whitened in the dark like pillows. Hunchback with a piece
                        the sausage hanging from his mouth looked like a ghoul.
                        Yes
                        Quote: your1970
                        - We completely replaced ourselves in 1985, quite - we found it. Lovers of cognac began to make tincture in the middle of walnuts

                        volumes, basically, are not replaced. Who drank, yes, he continued. But those who did not descend completely abandoned themselves. Indicator: for the first time, the birth rate has increased.
                        Quote: your1970
                        3) show almost the growth of black market volumes in 1915 - if you know any method (other than counting according to newspaper notes and / or police reports) - tell me. I DO NOT know such methods

                        If we do not know, but only assume, then discussing what is supposed to be, I think, is incorrect.
                        Quote: your1970
                        The word "halakha" - pre-revolutionary

                        Drunkenness, "too. But they drank dozens of times less.
                        Quote: your1970
                        if the Russian peasants were not drinking and God-chosen, why did they then burn the bar with the children alive and gaze out at the horses?

                        And how many million burned?
                        Or, after all, did someone survive?
          2. +3
            18 June 2018 18: 22
            Olgovich didn’t make up figures, there is a lot of literature on this issue
        2. 0
          18 June 2018 08: 11
          Quote: Olgovich
          BUT-came the Bolsheviks and-Prohibition repealed in 1923 g i-FAST:

          Tricky question. When did the Bolshevik Stalin come to power?
          Alcoholization of the country began with the advent of Trotskyite Brezhnev.

          Today, all alcohol companies belong to foreign owners. Revenues - to them, sores - to us. The more they drink, the less they live, the more unclaimed money in a pension fund.
          1. +10
            18 June 2018 10: 03
            Quote: Boris55
            with the advent of the Trotskyist Brezhnev.

            And who, in your opinion, are the Trotskyists? I noticed here that this word - Trotskyism - is used as God will put a soul ... What is it now, is it just a curse such as "liberal" and "tolerance"? The most heinous insult: a tolerant Trotskyist liberal! Cool. laughing
            But seriously, what do you mean by the term "Trotskyist"?
            1. 0
              18 June 2018 10: 49
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              But seriously, what do you mean by the term "Trotskyist"?


              Trotskyism is when Russia is a bundle of brushwood for the world revolution.
              1. +5
                18 June 2018 12: 06
                Quote: Bar1
                Trotskyism is when Russia is a bundle of brushwood for the world revolution.

                Primitively so ... But even in this case - where does Brezhnev?
                1. 0
                  18 June 2018 12: 38
                  Quote: Trilobite Master
                  Quote: Bar1
                  Trotskyism is when Russia is a bundle of brushwood for the world revolution.

                  Primitively so ... But even in this case - where does Brezhnev?


                  Well, Duc Trotsky was a big fan of chatting, he could rub his ears for hours, and talk a lot for what would usually cover up some simple and seditious thought, such as a war to the death, for the realm of freedom in the whole world.

                  As for Brezhnev, in his reign there was a conspiracy with pin_day across space and the moon, like the Americans actually flew, but like we believe in that. And this is a betrayal.
                  1. +6
                    18 June 2018 13: 32
                    Quote: Bar1
                    Well, Duc Trotsky was a big fan of chatting, he could rub his ears for hours, and talk a lot for what would usually cover up some simple and seditious thought, such as a war to the death, for the realm of freedom in the whole world.

                    Trotsky was an amateur not only to chat. For "talk" do not become commissars. For example, the creation of a regular Red Army - in many respects, its merit. And he didn’t hide the к merely seditious thought ’- he directly said that he was striving for a world revolution (мы we are on the mountain to all bourgeois ...’), he was against the theory of building socialism in a single country. And he also fought against bureaucracy in the party and denied the principle of democratic centralism, for example, and the romanticism of the revolution still had a lot on its mind ... But you are not interested. The simpler and more primitive the concepts, the closer they are to you, and to understand something up to the subtleties - well, its, and so everything is clear.
                    Quote: Bar1
                    As for Brezhnev,

                    here you have all the elder in the garden. What, say, is common between the ideas of Trotskyism and the mythical collusion with the United States "in space", existing, by the way, only in the sick imagination of some modern "intellectuals"?
                    The theory of the lunar conspiracy has repeatedly been the object of criticism from the Commission of the Russian Academy of Sciences to combat pseudoscience, where its supporters are placed on a par with the followers of the new chronology of Fomenko.
                    Quote from wiki.
                    1. 0
                      18 June 2018 14: 36
                      Quote: Trilobite Master
                      Rotsky was not only a fan of chatting. For the "chat" do not become Commissars. For example, the creation of a regular Red Army - in many respects, his merit


                      Well, yes, it has become a commonplace point of view until they dig up new facts. The movie did not look the new "Trotsky" called? In this pseudo biography of the "great revolutionary," they completely forgot to include a long piece of his life in America.
                      For example, the most important thing is that Trotsky turned out to have money from the Amer bankers and simply bought the Council of Workers' Deputies, white officers to create the Red Army, someone sold, someone followed the path, in different ways, but such a story is more like the truth.
                      When after the first revolution of 17th there was a dual power in the country, the arrival of Trotsky with a suitcase of money from their America simply paved his way to real power, he apparently sponsored the October Revolution.
                      But in the cinema they don’t talk about this, but they say that the fiery revolutionary Trotsky’s revolutionary mattress fell in love and they brought him into the power, the Bolshevik party and the Soviets.
                      In exchange for money, American bankers demanded that he sell the country and leave the people to revolution all over the world. It happened if it were not for Stalin.

                      Quote: Trilobite Master
                      here you have all the elder in the garden. What, say, is common between the ideas of Trotskyism and the mythical collusion with the United States "in space", existing, by the way, only in the sick imagination of some modern "intellectuals"?


                      so what in common? In different ways, Trotsky needed power, and power is such a product that you can sell well, or even already have power (how many values ​​left the country under Lenin-Trotsky), and Brezhnev-Gorbachev and everyone else who already had power - A calm life under the idea of ​​private ownership, where you can open your bird and have your faithful grand piece.

                      Quote: Trilobite Master
                      Quote from wiki.


                      Vika is a garbage dump controlled by world Zionism.
                      1. 0
                        19 June 2018 11: 17
                        Quote: Bar1
                        he apparently sponsored the October Revolution.

                        Class !!! The answer to all questions is immediately - who is behind October and for what ... and that is good for the people, the factory for the peasants, the land of the workers ...
                  2. 0
                    18 June 2018 18: 38
                    Bar, Leonid Ilyich was an ambiguous person and he had a lot of positive things. In 70, the USSR was at the peak of its power, and A.N. Kosygin, who for some reason was appreciated by Stalin, was the chairman of the Council of Ministers.
                    Do people remember Brezhnev’s time as the “golden period” - does Trotsky come out and did the Trotskyists take care?
            2. +1
              18 June 2018 13: 51
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              But seriously, what do you mean by the term "Trotskyist"?

              Trotskyism - This is not at all one of the varieties of Marxism. A characteristic feature of Trotskyism in the twentieth century “under the hood” of Marxism was the complete deafness of the Trotskyists to the content of the criticism of 5 expressed to him in combination with the commitment to the principle of suppressing the declarations proclaimed by the Trotskyists in life, the system of defaults on the basis of which they actually act united in a collective unconscious.
              This means that Trotskyism is a psychic phenomenon. Trotskyism, in a sincere personal manifestation of the well-being of its adherents, is characterized by a conflict between the individual consciousness and the unconscious, both individual and collective, generated by all Trotskyists in their totality. And in this conflict the collective unconscious of the Trotskyists viciously triumphs, suppressing the personal conscious well-intentionedness of each of them by the totality of their all.
              This is a feature of the psyche of those who have managed to become a Trotskyist, and not a feature of a particular ideology. The psychic type of “Trotskyist” can be accompanied by a variety of ideologies. It is for this reason - of a purely psychological nature - that equal relations with Trotskyism and Trotskyists personally at the level of intellectual discussion, arguments and counterarguments are fruitless and dangerous. 6 for those who consider Trotskyism as one of the ideologies of 7 and do not see its real AML-ideological background, do not depending on the ideology that encircles it, which the psychotrocist can sincerely repeatedly change throughout his life 8.
              Intelligence, which is addressed in discussions in an effort to enlighten the interlocutor, or to identify with him the truth, on the basis of which it would be possible to overcome previous problems in relations with him, is only one component of the psyche as a whole. But the psyche as a whole (in the case of its Trotskyite type) does not allow the psycho-Trotskyist to process information intellectually, which is capable of changing the doctrine that is currently being worked out by that of many ideologically formed branches of Trotskyism, to which the psycho-Trotskyist psychologically belongs.
              This psychic feature of 9, characteristic of many individuals, is a historically more ancient phenomenon than the historically real Marxist Trotskyism in the 20th century communist movement. For this property of the psyche of individuals, there was no other word in the past besides the word "obsession." And in the era of the domination of the materialistic worldview, for this phenomenon there were no words in the language that corresponded to the essence of this type of mental impairment, which was called again, but not by its essence, but by the pseudonym of one of its most prominent representatives of Trotskyism in the 20th century communist movement.
              Trotskyism in its essence is a schizophrenic, aggressive, politically-active psyche that can hide behind any ideology, any sociological doctrine.
              Therefore, Marxism is originally an expression of psychic Trotskyism. Marx and Engels were psycho-Trotskyists. Hitler was also a psycho-Trotskyist: for the identity of the relation of Hitlerism and Marxism of the Trotsky version to many phenomena of society, see the work of the USSR Supreme Council “Look back in anger ...”. The anti-communist psychologists at the sunset of the USSR were dissidents. And now the majority of activists of bourgeois reforms in Russia and their opponents from the ranks of various patriotic parties and all supposedly communist parties who are not capable of abandoning Marxism are also the psychotrots.
              1. +1
                18 June 2018 13: 52
                Bolshevismas the history of the CPSU teaches, arose in 1903 * g. at the II Congress of the RSDLP as one of the party factions. According to his opponents, the Bolsheviks until 1917 * g. never represented the real majority of the members of the Marxist party, and therefore opponents of the Bolsheviks in those years always opposed their self-designation. But such an opinion stemmed from a misunderstanding by the diverse Mensheviks of the essence of Bolshevism.
                Bolshevism is not a Russian variety of Marxism and not a party affiliation. And the “Jewish Bolshevism" used by Hitler in Mine Kampf is completely meaningless, since Bolshevism is a phenomenon of the spirit of Russian civilization, and not the spirit of the bearers of the doctrine of biblical global slavery on a racial basis.
                Bolshevism existed before Marxism, existed in Russian Marxism, somehow it exists today. It will continue to exist.
                As stated by the Bolsheviks themselves, members of the Marxist party of the RSDLP * (b), it was they who expressed in politics the strategic interests of the working majority of the population of multinational Russia, as a result of which only they had the right to be called Bolsheviks. Regardless of how infallible the Bolsheviks are in expressing the strategic interests of the labor majority, how much this majority is aware of its strategic interests and true to them in life, the essence of Bolshevism is not the numerical superiority of the adherents of certain ideas over the adherents of other ideas and the thoughtless crowd, namely this:
                in a sincere desire to express and implement the long-term strategic interests of the working majority, who wants no one to parasitize on his work and life. In other words, historically, in every era, the essence of Bolshevism is in the active support of the transition process from the historically established crowd of “elitism” to the multinational humanity of the Earth of the future era.
              2. +5
                18 June 2018 15: 48
                Quote: Boris55
                Trotskyism is not at all one of the varieties of Marxism.

                You mixed red and warm again. In your opinion Totskyism is at the same time an extremist political ideology, close to fascist and something akin to medical diagnosis. Theoretically, the connection in this can be seen, in the sense that persons suffering from certain pathologies in the field of psychiatry often adhere to radical political views. But to build one concept to that and another, in my opinion, is too ... In any case, thanks for clarifying your understanding of the term. Obviously, before that we spoke in different languages. For me, Trotskyism is precisely one of the radical romantic branches of Marxism.
                1. +2
                  18 June 2018 18: 32
                  Trotsky had a slightly different view of development
                  communist revolution than that of Lenin: more aggressively
                  global (and utopian). Hence, his fascination with the Comintern and the army.
                  But, in general, Lenin and Trotsky are similar fanatics. I do not like them the same.
                  Lenin was lucky - he died early, so "Leninism" did not become the same swear word as "Trotskyism".
          2. +2
            18 June 2018 18: 35
            "Alcoholization of the country began with the advent of the Trotskyist Brezhnev" ////

            I imagine Leonid Ilyich raising his mighty ones in surprise
            eyebrows upon hearing this ... laughing
        3. BAI
          +6
          18 June 2018 11: 09
          It fits, if you know the History and figures: before the Thief, in RI more than 54% of men and 95% of women and adolescents did not know what alcohol is at all. Compare with the 1980s.

          Compare better from 1917 - 1953.

          Russia was not drinking precisely after the revolution, in particular, and under the bloody Stalin - in general. You already shone these 54 and 95 percent, and when asked by Curious (Victor) to submit documents, they safely remained silent. Although he presented you with a photocopy of the official statistical report on the finances of the Republic of Ingushetia for 1913, from which it followed that income from alcohol is the second largest source of income for the Russian budget. So again - where do these numbers come from? With the presentation of at least some documents, and not shouts of "History must be known!"
          BUT, the Bolsheviks came and-Prohibition repealed in 1923 and

          In 1925 - an absolute MINIMUM of consumption! It started in the direction of reducing consumption.
          1. +3
            18 June 2018 11: 35
            Quote: BAI
            In 1925 - an absolute MINIMUM of consumption! It started in the direction of reducing consumption.


            at least piss him in the eye ...
          2. +1
            18 June 2018 12: 29
            Quote: BAI
            Russia was not drinking just after the revolution, in particular, and under the bloody Stalin

            Lies or ignorance? I think that everything is coupled: in 1915, 1916 -consumption 0,2 l-h, after BOP-rise after 24 g, with Stalin 2,2 / l / person
            Quote: BAI
            These 54 and 95 percent you already shone,

            V.G. Zhdanov. True and false about alcohol. 1984 g
            Quote: BAI
            and when asked by Curious (Victor) to submit documents safely remained silent

            For me, Curious (Victor) does not exist, because he is a swindler, so I do not read his comments: I disdain. He knows, agrees, and we don’t communicate.
            Quote: BAI
            In 1925 - an absolute MINIMUM of consumption! It started in side to reduce consumption.

            Nonsense: see the chart


            Remember forever: with you Russia has become the world leader in alcohol consumption in the world (1984)
            1. +4
              18 June 2018 12: 41
              Quote: Olgovich
              For me, Curious (Victor) does not exist, because he is a swindler, so I do not read his comments: I disdain. He knows, agrees, and we don’t communicate

              I see you do not communicate with everyone who is able to ask you uncomfortable questions! lol It’s easier to rub “FACTS” (c) Olgovich, trusting comrades, using, for confirmation of these, only Caps lock and emoticon. Yes, Olgovich? laughing
              1. +2
                18 June 2018 12: 46
                Quote: HanTengri
                mot

                Leave theTe lover of mate and ha. Alas, there is no black list, but you are all being imposed and imposed .... fool
                1. +2
                  18 June 2018 17: 09
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Quote: HanTengri
                  mot

                  Leave theTe lover of mate and ha. Alas, there is no black list, but you are all being imposed and imposed .... fool

                  it’s necessary what kind of cleanliness was found, apparently he didn’t serve in the army, what is he doing in VO?
                  1. +1
                    19 June 2018 06: 50
                    Quote: Bar1
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Quote: HanTengri
                    mot

                    Leave theTe lover of mate and ha. Alas, there is no black list, but you are all being imposed and imposed .... fool

                    it’s necessary what kind of cleanliness was found, apparently he didn’t serve in the army, what is he doing in VO?

                    Talk with your wives and children, not with strangers.
                    1. +1
                      19 June 2018 07: 25
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Quote: Bar1
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Quote: HanTengri
                      mot

                      Leave theTe lover of mate and ha. Alas, there is no black list, but you are all being imposed and imposed .... fool

                      it’s necessary what kind of cleanliness was found, apparently he didn’t serve in the army, what is he doing in VO?

                      Talk with your wives and children, not with strangers.

                      I’ll talk as I see fit
            2. BAI
              +3
              18 June 2018 14: 09
              for he is a swindler

              Can you give at least one example? And in general, the swindler is not an argument in the discussion, although if there is nothing to answer, then of course.
              He knows, agrees, and we don’t communicate.

              There was only one consent there - it was useless to prove something, he did not recognize himself as a swindler (and the mat site, in principle, would not miss, so being a swindler on the site was excluded, by definition).

              in 1915, 1916, consumption 0,2

              this is only in one source, with further reprints (this is the exact schedule repeated). All the rest give 1,2 liters.
              By the way:
              One of the most negative consequences of alcohol abuse in Russia was the spread of alcoholism among children and adolescents [Grigoryev N. N., 1900; Korovin A.M., 1908; Kanel V. Ya., 1914, and others].
              The consumption of alcoholic beverages in Russia was not the same in cities and villages. According to the calculations of V.I. Pokrovsky, 18,4 liters of vodka were in the village per adult, in cities - 49,2 liters, in the largest centers - 86,1 liters.

              and more
              under the state policy of soldering the people, an almost complete ban on the sale of alcoholic beverages very soon found itself bankrupt. A number of questionnaire surveys conducted by Kharkov, Poltava, Perm and other zemstvos at the beginning of the ban showed that the population from the first year of the ban began to drink various alcoholic substitutes quite widely.

              The official statistics do not include moonshine, which was more widespread in tsarist Russia than in the USSR, where all grain and sugar were state-owned.
              If I knew that we would return to this topic, I would have kept a link to the Ekatirinoslavskaya newspaper of 1914-1915, which provides an analysis of the alcoholism of students in urban schools (this is about non-drinking women). - A good site, the whole history of Russia by years since 1901 in the messages of local newspapers.
              1. +1
                18 June 2018 14: 27
                Quote: BAI
                for he is a swindler
                Can you give at least one example? And in general, the swindler is not an argument in the discussion, although if there is nothing to answer, then of course.

                I can’t bring it, ask the Administration, it deleted ..
                And I don’t communicate, because I disdain. Also the so-called Khan Tengi from the same series.
                Quote: BAI
                Yes, and the site mate, in principle, will not miss, so being a swindler on the site is excluded, by definition

                ask the above how they got around the autofilter, it’s easy.
                Quote: BAI
                To official statistics

                Where 50% of men did not drink in 1914 and 90% of women did not drink in 1975, only 0,75%..
                Such a "progress"
              2. +2
                18 June 2018 16: 20
                Look at what the not-so-informative approach to the topic leads to. There are no references to authoritative sources and from here here is "this". Meanwhile, offhand, there is this: Production and consumption of vodka in Russia during the treasury of the wine monopoly at the beginning of the XX century: On the materials of the Penza province
                topic of dissertation and abstract on VAK 07.00.02, candidate of historical sciences Savchenko, Maria Valerievna
                The dissertation and abstract on the topic “Production and consumption of vodka in Russia during the treasury of the wine monopoly at the beginning of the XX century: On the materials of the Penza province”. disserCat is a scientific digital library.
                Abstract
                Thesis
                Reference: 139550
                Year:
                2002
                Author of the scientific work:
                Savchenko, Maria Valerevna
                Academic degree:
                Candidate of Historical Sciences
                Place of defense of the dissertation:
                Penza
                VAK specialty code:
                07.00.02
                Specialty:
                National history
                Number of Pages:
                275
                Scientific library of dissertations and abstracts disserCat http://www.dissercat.com/content/proizvodstvo-ip
                otreblenie-vodki-v-rossii-v-gody-kazennoi-vinnoi-
                monopolii-v-nachale-xx-veka # ixzz5ImYoXFY1
                You might think that the information society is not about us. In this work, the abstract of which can be viewed for FREE, there is everything. And the work itself is worth only 500 p. And the journalist can master it ... And everything is in it. And general indicators throughout the country and in the region in particular. And do not argue !!! Reviewers of any dissertation are doctors of science specializing in this topic. The leading organization is the university, where this topic is tested for scientific. And there is also a “black opponent” and not one ... So this is a good source. You need to look into it, and not argue about anything!
                1. +2
                  19 June 2018 11: 06
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Scientific library of dissertations and abstracts disserCat http://www.dissercat.com/content/proizvodstvo-ip
                  otreblenie-vodki-v-rossii-v-gody-kazennoi-vinnoi-
                  monopolii-v-nachale-xx-veka # ixzz5ImYoXFY1
                  You might think that the information society is not about us. In this work, the abstract of which can be viewed for FREE, there is everything. And the work itself costs only 500 p. And the journalist can master it ... And everything is in it. And general indicators throughout the country and in the region in particular. And do not argue !!!

                  I read what is available on the Internet and, with the conclusion of the thesis, I agree. And he is like this:
                  Since the mid-1930s the scientific understanding of the problems of drunkenness practically ceases. This was due primarily to the fact that the authorities were not interested in objective studies of the wine monopoly of tsarist Russia, since the “drunk budget” for the Soviet state has become a reality, drinking revenues were recognized as the main source of Stalinist modernization, the production and consumption of alcoholic beverages in the USSR began to increase rapidly and Comparison with the consumption of alcohol in tsarist Russia was not in favor of the first.

                  Scientific library of dissertations and abstracts disserCat http://www.dissercat.com/content/proizvodstvo-ip
                  otreblenie-vodki-v-rossii-v-gody-kazennoi-vinnoi-
                  monopolii-v-nachale-xx-veka # ixzz5Ir9lzLgJ

                  What I said!
            3. BAI
              +2
              18 June 2018 14: 34
              Quote: BAI
              These 54 and 95 percent you already shone,

              V.G. Zhdanov. True and false about alcohol. 1984 g

              There are no such numbers there!
              There is only:
              In the 13th year, 95% of boys and girls under 18 never tasted alcohol in their life.

              This expression "in the Republic of Ingushetia, more than 54% of men and 95% of women and adolescents did not know what alcohol is at all" is not in this lecture, and these figures are also not. Why lie, make people spend time reading materials of dubious origin?
              V.G. Zhdanov. True and false about alcohol. 1984 year
              - The lecture was prepared on the basis of materials from the Soviet District Organization of the Zvanie Society by the Chairman of the District Organization of the Knowledge Society Zagoruyko Nikolay Grigoryevich.
              The lecture is delivered by a researcher at the Institute of Automation and Electrometry, a lecturer at the Knowledge Society Zhdanov Vladimir Georgievich.

              1. We will not discuss qualifications - the same as everyone present here, although the opinion of professionals in this matter would be more significant.
              2. This is (as you always argue) a lying, unskilled Soviet agitprop, which you can’t trust, why refer to it?
              1. BAI
                +2
                18 June 2018 15: 32
                And there above - I wrote the Ekaterinoslav newspaper - Ekaterinodar (1913).
                EKATERINODAR. School application.
                At the beginning of this year, the Ekaterinodar school authorities conducted a questionnaire among students of all Ekaterinodar city schools about the conditions of the family life of schoolchildren. A total of 5700 children were surveyed, and the results were the most depressing. Out of all this mass of schoolchildren, 2500 malnourished, starved, or "malnourished".
                On the issue of alcoholism, the questionnaire yielded even more terrible results. Of the 5700 students, 3500 drink vodka, beer, wine and other spirits. Unfortunately, the questionnaire is limited only to questions about the nutrition of schoolchildren and alcoholism among them; other, also very significant issues were not raised, for example, on housing conditions, etc.
                A medical examination of schoolchildren gave very deplorable results: half of them have very poor health and the percentage of patients with hysteria is unusually high. (Tersky Vedomosti, No. 59).

                http://www.starosti.ru/archive.php?y=1913&m=0
                4 & d = 26
                1. +2
                  18 June 2018 16: 06
                  Similar studies were then massively carried out throughout Russia. About the same data was in the "Penza Provincial Gazette" ...
                  1. BAI
                    +3
                    18 June 2018 17: 39
                    If in two provinces independently obtained from each other similar results, it can be reasonably argued that such a picture was throughout Russia.
              2. +1
                19 June 2018 08: 32
                Quote: BAI
                No there are such numbers!
                There is only:
                In the 13th year, 95% of boys and girls under 18 never tasted alcohol in their life.
                This expression "in RI, more than 54% of men and 95% of women and adolescents did not know what alcohol is at all" in this no lecture and these numbers too. Why lie, make people spend time reading materials of dubious origin?

                Yes, t. Liar and the ignoramus:
                In the 13th year, in the 13th year, they conducted a sociological survey of the central Russian provinces, found out: 43% of Russian men were teetotalers. Every second man never took alcohol in his mouth. AT 79-th year in the same areas of such men turned 0,6%. All men drink.

                Women ... Women were teetotalers in Russia 90% - never took alcohol in their mouths. In the 59th year, there were 2,4% of such women. 97,5% of women drink with us. Comrades, this is the most terrible result that we have today - we have women drink. This means that our end is already visible!

                For youth before the revolution, the figure is given. And here is YOUR figure of YOUR achievements (1981 d)
                ; drinkers under 18 according to research -
                up to 95% Bonus terms and conditions apply
                (The Young Communist, 1975, No. 9, pp. 102-103)

                PS tired, the right word, all the time to convict you of lies and ignorance.
                Read and learn for yourself!
          3. +1
            19 June 2018 14: 34
            Where are your numbers from? It is interesting who, how and where statistics were collected in 1919 and 1925. Well, that's right. After the introduction of Prohibition, there was a sharp drop in alcohol consumption, after 1925 and before the war, stable growth. After the war (under the "bloody Stalin") - a sharp increase.

            Quote: BAI
            Although he presented you with a photocopy of the official statistical report on the finances of the Republic of Ingushetia for 1913, from which it followed that income from alcohol was the second largest item of income of the Russian budget.


            And how does this refute the figures of Olgovich ???
        4. +1
          18 June 2018 18: 11
          Olgovich, Stalin was a practical person and do not be shy to use EVERYTHING POSITIVE that you had in mind under the tsar, and in this case he saw the benefit for the budget
    2. +1
      18 June 2018 09: 07
      A very interesting book by Ivan Pryzhov. History of taverns in Russia.
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      2. +5
        18 June 2018 09: 45
        Well, at the expense of lowering the psychological barrier with the sacrament - it’s said a lot. The church uses wine diluted with water. And they partake of a tiny piece of bread soaked in this wine, in which the taste of wine, and even more so the degrees, are not even felt, since this diluted wine in soaked bread is literally a few drops. There is much more alcohol in a glass of kvass or kefir than in a microscopic dose of communion wine. Why not speculate on the terrible harm of kefir and its role in soldering the population of modern Russia? But at the same time, how about the ancient Greeks who drank diluted wine instead of water?
        1. 0
          18 June 2018 10: 48
          Quote: alebor
          And they partake of a tiny piece of bread soaked in this wine, in which the taste of wine, and even more so the degrees, are not even felt, since this diluted wine in soaked bread is literally a few drops. There is much more alcohol in a glass of kvass or kefir than in a microscopic dose of communion wine. Why not speculate on the terrible harm of kefir and its role in soldering the population of modern Russia?



          this is now and then not everywhere, but at a show. And before it was wine, or even just moonshine, where did the wine come from in the village church? And not diluted, but with specific degrees.
          In general, the most important thing is of course the mass adoption of alcohol. This is already a crime, for example, Old Believers of the Old Believers take communion simply with bread without any alcohol.
          And moonshine was also driven in the monasteries themselves, both for the sacraments and just for the sale of livestock by swine poison.
        2. +3
          18 June 2018 11: 03
          Quote: alebor
          There is much more alcohol in a glass of kvass or kefir than in a microscopic dose of communion wine. Why not speculate on the terrible harm of kefir and its role in soldering the population of modern Russia?

          Kefir is a novelty, in Russia it became known only after the conquest of the Caucasus, but kvass ... Comparing the names of the Scandinavian Kvassir and Indian Kvassura, we can confidently say that kvass has existed since the time of the Indo-European community - and insidious worshipers are already at least 5 thousand years solder kvass simple-minded Aryans! laughing
      3. +2
        18 June 2018 10: 49
        Quote: Bar1
        “Accept the blood of Christ the servant of God” - and you have a spoon of alcohol in place of the blood of Christ.

        Yeah ... A teaspoon of red wine once a month - this is exactly the dose from which a person quickly and inevitably gets drunk! wassat

        Quote: Bar1
        any nations were controlled by brain clouding i.e. introduction of narcotic substances into the sphere of people's lifestyle and people became easily controlled because drunk people do not fight for their rights.

        Wow. Well, in Saudi Arabia, there are 40 lashes for drinking alcohol - so the sober people there fought hard for their rights - and built the most democratic state in the world! laughing
        1. 0
          18 June 2018 10: 59
          Quote: Weyland
          Yeah ... A teaspoon of red wine once a month - this is exactly the dose from which a person quickly and inevitably gets drunk!


          Uncle, I said that it all starts with a small one and this beginning is covered by the Russian Orthodox Church.
          Quote: Weyland
          Wow .. Well, in Saudi Arabia, 40 lashes are supposed to be drunk - that's why the sober people there fought hard for their rights - and he built the most democratic state in the world


          But that democracy is the kingdom of God? This is a breeze for fools, when a personal vote does not mean anything, because everything is already stolen before you.
          1. +2
            18 June 2018 13: 00
            Quote: Bar1
            I said that it all starts small

            Sir, are you actually aware that alcohol is a part of human metabolism? And by virtue of this fact in small doses is safe in principle? “Everything is poison and everything is medicine. Only a dose makes medicine a poison and poison a medicine” (Paracelsus).

            Quote: Bar1
            But that democracy is the kingdom of God?

            "Democracy is in hell, but the kingdom is in heaven!" (with). But with a concept like irony (about the revelry of freedom in the SA), you are clearly not familiar ... Well, if a person deprived sense of humor - means was for what!
            1. 0
              18 June 2018 13: 04
              Quote: Weyland
              Sir, are you actually aware that alcohol is a part of human metabolism?
              Quote: Bar1


              Well, if you have so much meta-alcoholism, then why do you still need a church spoon once a month?

              about Saudi Arabia -40 lashes for a drink is right, it’s spelled out in the Koran, don’t drink.
              1. +1
                18 June 2018 15: 46
                Quote: Bar1
                spelled out in the Koran, do not drink.

                The anti-Christian nature of the Qur'an follows precisely from this: grape wine (i.e., that which is used for Communion) is completely forbidden, and other types (for example, date) are possible, but not drunk:
                - Oh caliph of all the faithful, for which you beat me - after all, I drank from your flasks!
                - I hit not for what I drank, but for the fact that got drunk!
                1. 0
                  18 June 2018 18: 15
                  Quote: Weyland
                  It is from this that the anti-Christian character of the Qur'an follows: grape wine (i.e.


                  not the anti-Christian, but the anti-alcohol nature of the quran prohibitions.
                  1. +1
                    18 June 2018 21: 58
                    Quote: Bar1
                    and the anti-alcohol nature of the quran prohibitions.

                    then he would forbid any alcohol! And many people consume vodka and cognac, for Muhammad said: "That which passed the distillation cube is cleansed by Allah!"
                    1. 0
                      18 June 2018 22: 31
                      Quote: Weyland
                      Quote: Bar1
                      and the anti-alcohol nature of the quran prohibitions.

                      then he would forbid any alcohol! And many people consume vodka and cognac, for Muhammad said: "That which passed the distillation cube is cleansed by Allah!"


                      and you're not lying? Where is this written by Muhammad?
                      1. +1
                        19 June 2018 11: 39
                        Quote: Bar1
                        and you're not lying? Where is this written by Muhammad?

                        I have no habit of lying unnecessarily. In Muhammad this is not written, but said in the hadiths. In fact, Muhammad meant the so-called musalas (still bottoms, non-alcoholic wine, 1-2% of alcohol remains in it, as in kvass and kefir) - but due to the vague wording, many Muslims use the so-called arak (ext. "sublimation" - i.e. vodka, brandy, etc. moonshine) laughing
                    2. +1
                      18 June 2018 22: 49
                      Quote: Weyland
                      then he would forbid any alcohol!
                      And he forbids anyone.
                      Quote: Weyland
                      And many people consume vodka and cognac, for Muhammad said: "That which passed the distillation cube is cleansed by Allah!"

                      Sura and Ayah do not remind? Or did Muhamed tell you this in a personal conversation? lol You are careful, look, otherwise, "If a person speaks to God, this is called prayer, And if God speaks to a person, this is called schizophrenia." I think this also applies to a conversation with a long-dead prophet! laughing
                      1. 0
                        19 June 2018 11: 41
                        Quote: HanTengri
                        Sura and Ayah do not remind? Or did Muhamed tell you this in a personal conversation?

                        This is not the Quran, this is a hadith (if you know what it is). So in a personal conversation, he told this not to me, but to whom exactly, I won’t tell you - I don’t remember the isnad (again, if you know what it is) of this hadith, I won’t! If interested - ask some ulama, you have to find them there is no problem!
                        In fact, Muhammad meant the so-called musalas (still bottoms, non-alcoholic wine, 1-2% of alcohol remains in it, as in kvass and kefir) - but due to the vague wording, many Muslims use the so-called arak (ext. sublimation - i.e. vodka, brandy)
              2. +1
                19 June 2018 11: 46
                Quote: Bar1
                if you have so much meta-alcoholism, then why do you still need a church spoon once a month?

                You are a Muslim, you do not understand - this is the so-called sacrament, but in Islam there is no such thing! For us, this is not wine, into the Blood of Christ!
                1. 0
                  19 June 2018 15: 20
                  Quote: Weyland
                  Quote: Bar1
                  if you have so much meta-alcoholism, then why do you still need a church spoon once a month?

                  You are a Muslim, you do not understand - this is the so-called sacrament, but in Islam there is no such thing! For us, this is not wine, into the Blood of Christ!


                  I am not a Muslim and not a Christian, and not a Jew or a Voodoo, I am sanity and a realist, a free artist and researcher, therefore, such as you ghouls who drink blood in any form, I despise.
                  1. +2
                    20 June 2018 11: 47
                    Quote: Bar1
                    such as you ghouls who drink blood in any form despise.

                    How can you drink tomato juice ?! This is the blood of brutally murdered tomatoes! laughing
    4. 0
      19 June 2018 12: 44
      Quote: Vard
      The farmers had a huge profit by the standards of other traders - 110%, which was two to three times higher than the profit in other sectors of the trade. How many years have passed ... But the rate of profit in Russian business has not changed ...

      Good article!
      More relevant today than ever ...
      If the alcoholization of the population is beneficial to the state, then guilty of the spread of drugs and other dope ....
      I'm afraid to even guess who
  2. +4
    18 June 2018 07: 08
    Peasants began to abandon alcohol in whole villages. Communities introduced corporal punishment for drunkenness, emphasizing that “in our village they don’t drink.” Sobriety was a necessary measure, as the peasants saw how drunkenness destroys families, the habitual way of life of communities, interferes with full housekeeping.

    Everything is simple - a drunkard is a poor worker, and all kinds of fees, taxes - they were imposed not on each individual peasant, but on the entire rural community as a whole. Mutual responsibility.
    Therefore, they tried not to allow rampant drunkenness. And they did it right.
    1. +2
      18 June 2018 07: 23
      Honestly, I didn’t know anything about the issue of drunkenness and rejection of it in Tsarist times, I will read it ... I think that decrees can be issued purely formally, as if for the sake of care, and profit is profit and which capitalist will refuse it.
      1. 0
        19 June 2018 12: 46
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Honestly, I didn’t know anything about the issue of drunkenness and rejection of it in Tsarist times, I will read it ... I think that decrees can be issued purely formally, as if for the sake of care, and profit is profit and which capitalist will refuse it.

        Such capitalism is death!
  3. +6
    18 June 2018 08: 17
    "The problem of drunkenness in Russia" from the same series. that “Russia is a prison of peoples” and how everything is bad with us and how everything is blessed in Europe. That today all nastiness is relishing, excitement is being created and money is being earned on it, which is then. There are no great countries with a drunken population.
  4. +3
    18 June 2018 08: 25
    Well, everything, the soul rushed to paradise! The entire controversy in the article boils down to the highlight of my preschool childhood: "Reds are beautiful, white are bold." Kindergarten - pants on the straps! What is noteworthy: both fractions are united in their negative attitude to today. And the funny thing is that, in the light of the upcoming bills, representatives of some "irreconcilable" will provide a pension to representatives of others.
    1. +1
      18 June 2018 09: 26
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      The entire controversy in the article boils down to the highlight of my preschool childhood: "Reds are beautiful, white are bold." Kindergarten - pants on the straps!

      Well, our polemic is so-so, at the kindergarten level. OK. So surprise us with your worthy, highly intelligent commentary. At least school level lol
      PS
      Baba Lera, did you sort of tidy up? Or did they come to life ?! wassat
  5. +2
    18 June 2018 08: 54
    Thanks so much for the article ...
    DRINKING BATTLE !!!!!!! am
    1. +1
      18 June 2018 09: 21
      As they said in my youth: "And girl!" laughing
      1. +1
        18 June 2018 13: 12
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        As they said in my youth: "And girl!"

        they said differently: "Drunkenness is a battle, and battle is a girl!" laughing
  6. +1
    18 June 2018 09: 40
    desired article
  7. +3
    18 June 2018 10: 42
    Have A.K. Tolstoy's wonderful poem on this subject is "The Athlete." But you cannot put it in its entirety here - they will immediately be banned because of the direct and unequivocal indication of the nationality of most farmers!

    In the Russian glorious kingdom,
    On a nag broken on horseback
    One hero travels around
    And back and forth, and around.

    It is covered with holey matting
    Basting around the boots
    A hat is pulled over the eyebrows
    Damn for a bosom of a penny.

    "To me, miserable people,
    Come to me, well done, hurry up!
    To me, young women and girls, -
    Taste my vodka! ”

    He treats everyone indiscriminately,
    He doesn’t take a penny
    Meets him with bread and salt,
    Honors his Russian people.

    Is he handsome, old or young -
    No one noticed that;
    But quarrels, illnesses and hunger
    Weave after his nags.

    And who tasted his vodka,
    She won’t be left behind in any way,
    And the rider escorts him
    Helpfully in the near tavern.

    The cups knock and part,
    Three-trial wine pours,
    In the tavern, to the last shirt,
    Good guy demolished.
    (...)
    And many Pontic Pilates,
    And many crafty Judas
    They crucify their homeland,
    They sell their Christ.

    The cups knock and part,
    Wine is raging by the river
    Take away villages and villages
    And Russia is flooding it.

    Brothers fight and cut,
    And the mother of the daughters is selling,
    Crying, songs, and howls, and curses -
    Drinking business is growing!

    And proudly dances on a nag
    Now the hero is daring;
    He threw himself off
    He pokes his hat off:

    Prancing the rogue skeleton
    The crown on the bald forehead
    Crown of Broken Bottles
    Shines and sparkles in the darkness.

    And the eyeless skull laughs:
    “My calling is done!
    No wonder they get
    My free wine! ”
  8. +6
    18 June 2018 10: 44
    According to the article.
    Put a plus, interesting.
    It would be nice to give more numbers and their sources, preferably in dynamics. Much would become more obvious.
    Personally, I have a dual attitude to alcohol - I consider it an evil, but I myself sometimes use it with pleasure. I strongly disagree with the promotion of alcohol, but I think that it is necessary to instill a culture of its consumption. And how to do it without propaganda? Question.
    During my life I had seen enough of those who were drunk and drunk, many simply did not leave their eyes — they degraded and died.
    And I'm walking in the open field I go-delirium on weeds
    To the friends of Vaska and Roman who died from alcohol

    (c) Igor Rasteryaev
    On the one hand, the vast majority of violent crimes, including especially serious ones, are committed “under the fly”. The same can be said of nonsense, leading to major trouble. On the other hand, how can you refuse yourself when you come home from work, in winter, for example, from a frost, and at home a hot dinner and a bottle in the refrigerator? Or in the summer at the weekend -
    kebab under cognac delicious very
    (C) Sergey Trofimov.
    I can say with confidence only one thing - a normal man with his beloved and interesting business will never slip into household drunkenness. So the best cure for drunkenness is employment, and the best incentive is idleness.
    1. +1
      18 June 2018 11: 25
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      Personally, I have a dual attitude to alcohol - I consider it an evil, but I myself sometimes use it with pleasure. I strongly disagree with the promotion of alcohol, but I think that I need to be vaccinated


      Quote: Trilobite Master
      On the one hand, the vast majority of violent crimes, including especially serious ones, are committed “under the fly”. The same can be said of nonsense, leading to major trouble. On the other hand, how can you refuse yourself when you come home from work, in winter, for example, from a frost, and at home a hot dinner and a bottle in the refrigerator? Or in the summer at the weekend -
      kebab under brandy very tasty (C) Sergey Trofimov


      a familiar point of view — drink it, then condemn it, sin it, then repent, so many propagandists said — clergy like Grishka Rasputin, for which his people really did not like, but they loved very Romanov power.
      Alcohol is the absolute evil in any form and in any quantities.
      1. +5
        18 June 2018 12: 17
        Quote: Bar1
        Alcohol is the absolute evil in any form and in any quantities.

        From a person with your way of thinking (very primitive, I must say) I do not expect anything other than categorical to the point of stupidity. You always bring to the point of complete absurdity and mercilessly broadcast on those around you. There is a Russian proverb: "You can break a damn fool as well." Take a closer look at your root vegetables - there are probably more than a dozen notches on it. laughing
        1. +1
          18 June 2018 12: 45
          Quote: Trilobite Master
          Quote: Bar1
          Alcohol is the absolute evil in any form and in any quantities.

          From a person with your way of thinking (very primitive, I must say) I do not expect anything other than categorical to the point of stupidity. You always bring to the point of complete absurdity and mercilessly broadcast on those around you. There is a Russian proverb: "You can break a damn fool as well." Take a closer look at your root vegetables - there are probably more than a dozen notches on it. laughing


          well, they say that wisdom comes over the years, but in your case, years come alone.
          There are no conclusions, so go with the flow of general opinion, without your own.
      2. +2
        18 June 2018 12: 19
        Quote: Bar1
        Alcohol is the absolute evil in any form and in any quantities.

        Life, in general, is a bad thing! As a rule, they die from her. laughing
        1. +1
          18 June 2018 21: 19
          I also love this saying. And, notably, no exceptions were made even to the founders of world religions. I will continue. "Life is a disease of matter ..." (Strugatsky brothers)
          1. +1
            18 June 2018 22: 17
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            And, notably, no exceptions were made even to the founders of world religions.

            Even the brightest minds in the world
            Could not disperse the surrounding darkness.
            They told us some bedtime stories -
            And they went, wise, to sleep, like us.
            Omar Khayyam
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            I will continue. "Life is a disease of matter ..." (Strugatsky brothers)

            I would concretize: Life (rational) is a short-term surge in a decrease in entropy, in a closed system, with its inevitable, subsequent (entropy) spasmodic increase. (a joke, I hope ...).
  9. 0
    18 June 2018 10: 58
    The chef of the gendarmes Dolgorukov reported to the emperor that in the Coven province there was a Roman Catholic church behind the emergence of sobriety, since the brotherhood of sobriety was established by Pius IX and now in the churches Catholic priests call on the people to join the brotherhood of sobriety. Under the influence of these fraternities, the Coven province and more than half the population of the Vilnius and Grodno provinces were found. But if in the Kovno, Vilensk and Grodno provinces, Catholics really made up the bulk of the population and therefore it was possible to discern the machinations of the Vatican and its agents, then what about the original Russian and Orthodox provinces? Is there also a “pope to blame”?
    And the feature is that Russia adopted laws on forced soldering of the population from .... civilized Europe, and above all the Commonwealth: after its division and inclusion of the ON and part of Poland in the Republic of Ingushetia, many old laws remained in these territories, i.e. hours "local law":
    Placement right (from Latin propinare - drink for one's health) - the exclusive right to manufacture and sell strong drinks on the lands of one or another owner. (By 1898) it was preserved in the Bessarabian province, in the Kingdom of Poland, in the Western Territory and in the Baltic provinces and is for authorized persons - provinators - a source of significant income, often, especially in possessive cities and towns, which determine the main value of the estate. (...) in the XIII — XIV centuries. it was established only on the basis of special acts of kings who granted this right to individuals, usually in retribution for any special merit. Over time, the mention in letters of honor especially about P.'s right is less common, and this right, along with other medieval requisitions and duties, is beginning to be considered one of the natural elements of property law. Together with all these requisitions, P. law was preserved until the last days of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and even survived the introduction of the Napoleonic Code in the Duchy of Warsaw, which did not recognize the medieval forms of land ownership on which all the rights of the estates were based and closely connected with. In the Polish provinces annexed to Russia, P. law was not only confirmed by many legislative acts, but was also recognized as an integral part of patrimonial law (High approved plural of the State Council on September 30, 1834 in the case of the city of Berdichev; 17 of the law of February 19, 1864, etc.). Despite the fact that by a decree of October 28, 1866, all patrimonial duties were abolished, the right of propination was retained, although by its nature it was quite suitable for the category of requisitions, which were then canceled and, moreover, without remuneration of the patrimonies. (Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary, https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%AD%D0%A1%D0%91
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  10. +1
    18 June 2018 11: 07
    Very relevant and interesting. By the way, taverns (if I don’t confuse anything) is Ivan’s introduction that Grozny.
    And anti-alcohol campaigns in the history of Russia went with enviable frequency.
    On the one hand, the government tried to fight alcoholism (labor productivity, nation’s gene pool).
    On the other hand - it’s a very significant part of the budget (that RI, that the USSR).
    The campaign under Gorbachev, as far as I know, led only to the death of vineyards and such varieties of wines as Kindzmarauli and Khvanchkara. Then - only fakes.
    And whether it will be)
    Why not just produce high-quality and at the same time relatively inexpensive alcohol (as in Bulgaria or Kazakhstan) while maintaining the state monopoly? Then periodic anti-alcohol campaigns will not be needed, I think.
    1. +2
      18 June 2018 12: 56
      Quote: Albatroz
      Campaign under Gorbachev, as far as I know, brought only to the death of vineyards and such varieties of wines as Kindzmarauli and Khvanchkara. Then - only fakes.

      Not only: the coefficient of total fertility for three years has become more than one, i.e. ceased to die out for three years (for the first time since 1964).
    2. +2
      18 June 2018 13: 07
      Quote: Albatroz
      By the way, taverns (if I don’t confuse anything) is Ivan’s introduction that Grozny.

      Yes, but there was only one tavern with him - only for the guardsmen! And mass soldering of the population is Quiet. By the way, he fought with moonshine without hypocritical statements (like in a scoop) that "moonshine is poison!", And honestly declared that he was only interested in loot: "He is a thief and a dog who will destroy the treasury of the sovereign - he doesn’t drink on a tavern, but cooks at home without measure! "
      1. +1
        18 June 2018 13: 49
        The law was passed: don’t drive chickens from tavern, you don’t have any prodigal women, don’t play cards and grains, you don’t drive buffoons from nozzles and tambourines, and sit and drink prince’s smoked wine and don’t drink any cock to the cross and trousers !! !
        1. BAI
          +3
          18 June 2018 15: 36
          The law was passed

          If I am not mistaken, corporal punishment was still envisaged there for those who tried to get the "cocks" out of the tavern.
          1. +2
            18 June 2018 15: 59
            Yes, it was enough for the clerk to shout, “The word and deed is sovereign! He / she the dog / dog will lose the treasury of the sovereign, like everyone else - they chopped a leg or hands and chopped off the nailed on the door of the tavern! But the taverns had to dodge: it was the first time (as later in the USSR! ) planning has been introduced from what has been achieved, that is, "to have a drunken treasury of the sovereign against lonely (not present!) years," that is, more than a year from year, otherwise "beat the gods!"
        2. +2
          18 June 2018 15: 43
          Quote: kalibr
          Dondezh this cock to the cross and the port will not drink !!!

          Vyacheslav Olegovich hi You missed a very important and creepy moment:
          don’t recall cocks from taverns, don’t drive - neither the husband’s wife, nor the son’s father, nor brother, nor sister, nor relatives, - Dondezh this cock to the cross does not drink "
          And this law, EMNIP, is also adopted under Quiet
          1. +2
            18 June 2018 16: 00
            Yes you are right, forgot. Now I don’t remember again, but it seems that there was even a concretization there, and such a thing - "neither to sitters, nor to neighbors."
  11. 0
    18 June 2018 11: 33
    I wonder what in my first post did not like the cutter? I would say ...
  12. 0
    18 June 2018 12: 53
    Olgovich,
    The State Duma was elected by the people. Civil society initiated the Law.


    the law is that you know what? This is what Con is.
    the State Duma is a bunch of billionaires who, by definition, are not people, because all the big fortunes were not earned in a honest way. Therefore, people can not choose thieves.
  13. +1
    18 June 2018 13: 46
    Quote: rkkasa 81

    Soviet cattle built powerful industry and advanced science; won the worst war and the first to go into space - and all this without leaving the binge ... Olgovich revealed yet another secret to the success of the Soviet Union
    And then they successfully allowed the collapse of all this ...
  14. +3
    18 June 2018 16: 11
    Communities introduced corporal punishment for drunkenness, emphasizing that “in our village they don’t drink.” (...) Near the taverns, the peasants put up a guard, which did not let quite numerous people who wanted to drink inside the establishments. Those who did not obey the decision of the community were flogged.

    The whole progressive public is obliged to brand these actions as shameful, illegal and inhuman and intolerant! laughing "Shurik, this is not our method! Where is humanism ?!"
    It is surprising that in the Soviet film open propaganda of corporal punishment was allowed - for, given the demonstrated high efficiency of this method good otherwise you cannot call propaganda!
  15. +3
    18 June 2018 18: 20
    I liked this phrase:
    "As expected, officials chose to refer immediately to external intrigues,
    rather than admit the destructiveness of state policy for a country and its population. "
    1. +1
      18 June 2018 22: 26
      Is Israel different?
      1. +1
        19 June 2018 15: 14
        They do not look for external enemies, but say:
        "prime mug", go to the early elections
        1. +1
          19 June 2018 15: 32
          Quote: voyaka uh
          We are not looking for external enemies

          Do you definitely have them? Well to search?
          Persians and hezes - do not offer, you are with them in different (very different) weight categories.
          Well, like that, seriously:
          - To whom and by what does Israel hinder?
          - respectively, to whom and why is it so needed? To quarrel with him, like?
          1. +2
            19 June 2018 15: 41
            Therefore, they are not looking. Their machinations in no way
            to justify the miscalculations of the government and officials.
            In the 80s lousy governments loved
            to drive the blizzard: "we are in the ring of enemies, all the money is for defense, so bear it, guys, because of the Arabs, such inflation, recession and unemployment."
            The lousy governments trampled, produced sharp
            economic reforms, and from the mid-90s began a fairly steady recovery. And it continues to this day.
            1. +1
              19 June 2018 15: 46
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Their machinations cannot justify the miscalculations of the government and officials

              But here, damn it, we can. And they justify it. Although your approach:
              Quote: voyaka uh
              "prime mug", go to the early elections

              - I personally like good
  16. 0
    19 June 2018 16: 57
    oh what a dispute ... but all about what? As for the 17, that after the 17, the authorities in Russia tried to correct the budget due to their addiction to alcohol. Someone did better. Someone worse. And there’s absolutely nothing to argue about
  17. 0
    19 June 2018 21: 07
    Olgovich,
    here you are stubborn
    1909
    "The large construction work on the construction of the Kushkin fortress was also supposed to contribute to improving the situation of the settlers. But, unfortunately, all these favorable conditions were largely destroyed by the terrible evil that is so difficult to deal with - drunkenness. Despite the terrible heat (before + 60 in summerI served there), almost the entire population, young and old, eagerly visits the local inn, which has hospitably opened its doors, around which a bunch of people crowded.
    Passion is how much our people drink, ”the talkative old settler told us, to whom we turned to ask if it is a holiday today. - That is, if not vodka, the rich would all live. The people have spoiled in our places. Especially women ... Now she turns away from plain vodka, give her a cognac and rum. We in sherry got the concept that we got, all the same, as if everyone were from a merchant's rank. Well, the bread here is light ... Someone doesn’t work their hump, that's why they get drunk ...
    In general, the crowd did not have that festive, attractive appearance that is seen in some places of the Volga and Little Russian provinces. A semi-German suit in the form of a jacket, high boots, crumpled capes, worn on the settlers, had a worn and far from neat look. "
    “- Shibko sells a buffet on the days of the arrival of trains,” one of the acquaintances of the officers tells us. “The main reason is hellish heat, and here everyone drinks ice, and they don’t even consider 30 kopecks expensive for a bottle of mediocre beer.” on the other hand, you don’t directly know where to go from boredom. You go to the station with the hope that you will see at least a new face. After all, boredom is stupid. Classes in the mouth are over and you don’t know where to attach yourself. Read into this I’m too lazy to go. It's hot and there’s nowhere to go. Every day, you’re lying on the bed or on by his room, not a single thought in his head. Some kind of languor. And what would you think, you get used to this state and become drawn into it so that after 3-4 years have passed, nothing interests anyone. For the young officer Kush with her life is such a swamp from which you can’t get out, it will swallow without returning. Such a life directly sucks in. Who else with character, can stand it back and forth, but if not, write it is gone. From boredom, instead of concerts, they like to listen to the clink of bottles and glasses. And nothing, they approve ... It’s good that the authorities entered our position and, taking into account the climatic and other conditions of local life, provided the right to be transferred from Kushka after serving five years in our garrison. "
    Caucasus 1903
    "In fact, the Caucasian Molokans used alcohol at the beginning of the century, but not in public, but at home. Molokans do not drink vodka openly - it is forbidden by the rules of their sect, but in the village the old people drink it with salt" from the stomach ", women drink with camphor when" rolls under the heart, "and girls and guys at every opportunity"(1903).
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    28 June 2018 16: 13
    The author bow low for the article - very interesting. I would like to recall the not distant past - the times of the USSR. There were many excesses, many unnecessary. But still, the fight against alcoholism was carried out by the compulsory system of treatment for alcoholism in LTP and prisons. The people simply were not allowed to go down and lose their human appearance. It is unfortunate that this is not happening now.

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