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Nuclear fear and the illusion of safety

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A discussion of the realism of a retaliatory nuclear strike, if it can be judged by the comments on “VO”, caused shock and hysteria in some of the audience. Sorry, but I can’t find a more euphonic definition for the attempts to challenge me, which were demonstrated by commentators.


It is advisable to turn to the analysis of popular beliefs on the subject of a retaliatory nuclear strike a little later, but for the time being it is worth asking this question: why do realistic evaluations of the effects of nuclear strikes cause such a wave of hysteria on the part of the audience, which, in general, should not succumb to such sentiments?

Nuclear fear

The answer, as I would formulate it, is quite simple. This camouflaged fear. Fear can be expressed not only in flight or the desire to hide somewhere, but also in increased aggressiveness and obviously unreasonable bravado. In verbal debates, he is often expressed in an effort to outbid an opponent or to shower him with allegations that are not subject to doubt, but in fact are very shaky.

Nuclear weaponthat has not been used in combat since August 1945 of the year has always been closely associated with fear and has been more a means of intimidation than a means of destruction. Aphoristically speaking, nuclear weapons in the years of the Cold War destroyed the psyche and thinking, not cities and military facilities. In the arsenal of psychological warfare, there was a strong exaggeration of the destructive power of nuclear bombs, a strong exaggeration of the size of the nuclear arsenal, and the publication of outdated plans for nuclear war (all such plans published by the Americans were undoubtedly part of the psychological warfare against the Soviets; the Communists tried on the consequences massive nuclear strike, horrified and capitulated). The Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) program proclaimed by US President Ronald Reagan 23 in March 1983 had a great psychological effect, despite all doubts about its technical realism.

Nuclear fear and the illusion of safety
With such colorful pictures illustrating the American PIO program, the Soviet leadership intimidated its own people. I saw this picture in my childhood and since then I remembered it very well. In my opinion, this is from the magazine "Young Technician"


The apotheosis of this psychological warfare was, of course, the theory of the "nuclear winter", which was in fact incorrect and was already refuted by empirical data. But at the time of its appearance, it had a tremendous effect. After the presentation at the joint US-Soviet conference of scientists 31 October - 1 November 1983 of the year and began the next day, 2 November 1983 of the year, exercises Able Archer-83 on simulating the preparation of a massive nuclear strike and working out the highest level of combat readiness of DEFCON-1, the Soviet command became make plans for abandoning nuclear weapons. Marshal of the Soviet Union S.F. Akhromeev (at that time, the first deputy chief of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces) recalled that at the end of 1983 the General Headquarters began to work out plans for the complete elimination of nuclear weapons by the 2000 year. The starting point for such an unprecedented desire for disarmament was the conviction that nuclear weapons would destroy all life on the planet, and their use is meaningless. This, in my opinion, made a decisive contribution to the subsequent surrender and disintegration of the Soviet Union.


General Secretary of the CPSU MS Gorbachev proclaims at the XXVII Congress of the CPSU a new party program with the thesis of complete nuclear disarmament


The fear of the exaggerated destructive power of nuclear weapons worked not only to intimidate a potential enemy (and in this sense it works now, and even is the cornerstone of the Russian defense doctrine), but also acted as a means of creating an illusion of security. They say that the enemy, frightened by nuclear weapons, will not dare to attack either with his own nuclear forces or with conventional weapons, and therefore there will be no war from the word "absolutely." Well-known logic. However, its starting point is essentially self-intimidation. If you do not fear nuclear weapons and realistically assess their capabilities, then such views cannot be divided. In addition, rampant self-intimidation with nuclear weapons, as seen by the sad fate of the USSR, can lead to surrender.

Fear of nuclear weapons, acting as a means of intimidating the likely adversary and the basis of the illusion of security, rejected a rational approach to nuclear weapons. The first was a British nuclear physicist, Nobel laureate 1948 of the year, Baron Patrick Stewart Maynard Blackett.


This is a British flint, Baron Blackett, a participant in the Battle of Yutland during the First World War, hunting for German submarines during the Second World War. Nobel laureate and other, and other, first questioned in the destructive power of nuclear weapons


In 1949, he published a paper in which he for the first time questioned the destructive power of nuclear weapons (in the midst of nuclear hysteria already raging in the United States and the Western world). He compared the effects of the atomic and conventional bombardment of Japanese cities and calculated that the bomb equivalent of a uranium bomb was only 600 tons of high-explosive aerial bombs, and the equivalent of a plutonium bomb - 1300 tons of high-explosive aerial bombs. To inflict damage on Japanese cities, the same as from nuclear bombs, would require from 120 to 210 B-29 bombers, i.e. a medium-arm attack. The allied bombardment of Germany, during which 1,3 million tons of bombs were dropped, was equivalent to 400 advanced nuclear bombs with a capacity of approximately 50-60 kt. However, his conclusions were simply silently rejected.

So a hysterical reaction to realistic assessments of the power of a nuclear strike is far from newsrather, even a tradition.

In our case, the fear of the exaggerated power of nuclear weapons acts almost exclusively as a source of the illusion of security. The Russian defense doctrine proceeds from the fact that the probable adversary will be afraid of our nuclear power, of a nuclear retaliatory strike, and therefore will not decide on any forceful actions. The fact that this is just an illusion speaks at least the fact that over the past two decades, the United States has conducted a series of large-scale military operations and never once had the Americans abandon their plans due to the Russian nuclear threat. However, subjectively the illusion is stronger than facts, and all the facts that dispel it are simply rejected with foam at the mouth.

Who will recover from strikes faster?

Let's get to the point on the other hand, from the point of view of a great strategy. Nuclear strikes, of course, not the whole war, but only part of it. A massive nuclear strike, even a cash arsenal, substantially less than in the “blessed times” of the Cold War, can cause great damage to the armed forces, military infrastructure and military production. But this is because the probable war will not end. To achieve a military victory, it is necessary to completely deprive the enemy of the possibility of armed resistance, which is achieved either by forcing to surrender or by occupying his territory, which is possible after the defeat of his armed forces.

The occupation, as the experience of the Second World War shows, is the most reliable means of achieving a complete military victory, since in this case the use of human and economic resources by the adversary is prohibited, military production and supply of troops is terminated. In this case, the remaining troops due to the acute shortage of weapons, ammunition, equipment and fuel are quickly defeated or surrendered.

The same experience of World War II shows that the defeat of the enemy is the easier, the more their military economy is violated. The defeat of Germany in 1944-1945 is shown in the most obvious way. After american and british aviation inflicted a series of devastating attacks on synthetic fuel plants in the summer and autumn of 1944, the German army lost all battles and the war as a whole.


Piles of ruins and twisted metal - all that remains of the synthetic fuel plant in Gelsenkirchen after the 13 raid of June 1944 of the year


The acute and growing lack of fuel did not allow the Germans to use large-scale Tanks and aviation, disorganized the supply of troops and acted as a decisive factor in the defeat. Bomb attacks on large enterprises, in particular, aircraft factories and ball bearing factories, were not so effective, but they also made a significant contribution to weakening German military power. Bomb attacks on railway junctions, which were carried out in late 1944 - early 1945, disrupted the supply of raw materials and fuel to the military factories, the supply of arms and ammunition to the troops, as well as the maneuver of forces.

However, strikes against military-industrial and transport facilities facilitate the achievement of a complete defeat of the enemy, but do not complete it. Destroyed production to some extent amenable to recovery, evacuation and dispersal. Completion of the defeat remains the share of the troops and is carried out by the offensive.

A massive nuclear strike is closest in its strategic importance to massive air strikes; it violates the military economy and for some time weakens military power. In this case, the probable war between Russia and NATO (the United States together with its European allies) in the exchange of nuclear strikes, both sides will suffer very significant damage. To characterize it as follows.

First, Russia, due to the peculiarities of the structure of the fuel and energy complex, will suffer more damage than our likely adversary. The destruction of gas pipeline nodes, Unified Energy System nodes, the destruction of a number of large power plants will destroy the order of 70% of energy capacity. About 30% of capacity will remain on the move, mainly in Siberia, where the electric power industry is mainly coal, with local fuel. Restoring gas pipelines and supplying gas for approximately 2-3 months will reduce damage to 50% of the pre-war level.

Secondly, strikes on the USA and countries of Europe will disable the order of 10-15% of energy capacity in the USA and 5-10% in Europe. The loss of capacity in Europe will be large due to the loss of Russian gas, which in 2017 amounted to 35% of European energy consumption, that is, up to 45-50% in total. And this deficiency will be unrecoverable.

But here we must take into account the fact that our potential adversary has the possibility of moving military production to other countries, including those that are not part of the NATO bloc and are not in military alliance with the United States. This opportunity arose from the expansion of international military-technical cooperation, the development of joint military developments, the creation of joint ventures, both the production of components and assemblies and the final assembly, as well as the sale of licenses for the production of a wide range of weapons and equipment. And this was done with the permission of the US government. At 2005, the US State Department granted the US defense industry about 7 thousands of permits to enter into licensing and technical support agreements (including 2150 for Lockheed Martin). In the event of war, all this foreign military-industrial potential will undoubtedly be demanded by the leadership of NATO and used to increase military production to the maximum. In some of its parts it will be deployed in countries that are definitely not subjected to Russian nuclear strikes: these are India, Brazil, Mexico, Indonesia, Malaysia, and so on. I have not met assessments of the potential of American-controlled military production in the world, but if this was not done at all, then this is a big omission. Without foreign production, it is impossible to fully assess the military-industrial potential of NATO.


The Indonesian MMWT tank is a typical product of military-technical cooperation with NATO countries. The development is a joint Indonesian company PT Pindad and Turkish company FNSS Savunma Sistemleri. The tower and 105-mm cannon - the Belgian company CMI Defense, in the development of the gun took part the South Korean company Doosan DST. The gun is adapted for firing all types of NATO standard 105-mm projectiles. Indonesia has already mastered the production of shells for the 120-mm cannon Rheimetall for the tank Leopard 2, undoubtedly, the production of 105-mm shells will be organized. So companies that can supply the NATO army with weapons and ammunition in the event of war can be found in many different countries


Thus, having received a nuclear strike, the United States and NATO countries immediately rush not only to restore the destroyed military-industrial infrastructure, but also involve all firms and companies around the world that are connected to military-industrial corporations with a whole system of treaties and agreements. This circumstance will allow them to restore and increase military production much faster than might be expected. For Russia, the possibility of such a removal of military production outside the country is practically absent.

So, the exchange of nuclear strikes will disrupt the military economy of both sides, but NATO has the ability to run the recovery period faster. It is of great importance. A faster recovery of military production means faster mobilization and the formation of new units for large-scale ground war.

Russia will not be able to develop the success of its nuclear strike

This implies the important predictable circumstance in a probable war that even after the exchange of nuclear strikes, NATO will be able to move much faster to a large-scale ground operation in order to completely defeat and occupy the territory of its likely enemy.

Here the circumstance noted in the previous article comes into force: NATO troops can occupy Russia and enter Moscow, but Russian troops cannot occupy the United States and join Washington, and for a fairly obvious reason. Russia cannot transport its troops across the Atlantic and land on the American continent, while the Americans already have a huge bridgehead in Europe, directly reaching the borders of Russia, also have the possibility of landing in the Far East, and relatively recently a bridgehead appeared in Afghanistan with the possibility of an offensive against the Russian allies in Central Asia.


It is necessary to visually show how comfortable NATO bridgeheads have on the Eurasian continent. The map is somewhat inaccurate and outdated. There are no American bases in Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan, they are not in Turkmenistan; US troops on a rotational basis are deployed in the Baltic countries. But the map still shows the global balance of power.


On the US side there is superiority at sea, as well as quite considerable opportunities for naval military transport operations. For example, during the Iraq campaign in 2003, 18 military transport vessels were involved, including 9 tankers, and in general as part of fleet Maritime shipping command 51 ships, and with the reserve and chartered - 300. In addition, the US fleet included 8 Wasp universal landing ships, and the construction of a series of 12 new generation UDC-type ships was launched. The U.S. Navy's shipbuilding program also included the construction of four Montford-Point-type floating vessels (completed in 2018), 17 TAO (X) tanker tankers, as well as 10 high-speed military transport ships and 73 new-type hovercraft. In addition to military transport vessels, there is the possibility of mobilizing a large number of merchant vessels, especially ro-ro ferries designed for the transport of equipment. During the Cold War, the United States had plans to mobilize 2 merchant ships, but I think that if necessary they can mobilize much more, especially since the global merchant fleet, mainly controlled by shipowners from NATO countries, of course, was not sunk by nuclear attacks will be.

Russia has only one specialized military transport ship Yauza, built in 1974, which has been modernized with a complete replacement of superstructures and equipment.


BMST Yauza in Arkhangelsk


Of the large landing ships, there are 4 ships of the 1171 project, 15 ships of the 775 project (most suitable for trans-oceanic operations) and two more ships of the new 11711 project in construction. Some of them are used to deliver goods to Syria, in the "Syrian express." But this, even for an extremely limited military transport operation, was not enough. Two ro-ro ferries, Novorossiysk and Alexander Tkachenko, were involved, and four old cargo ships were bought and turned into vessels of the auxiliary fleet of the Russian Navy. For transportation, the Sayany search and rescue ship was even involved.

If even for the “Syrian express train” it was not possible to gather enough military transport ships and had to acquire floating trash, then the transfer to America of any significant forces is an impossible dream. And you need to transfer a lot. Considering the fact that there are about 900 thousands of military personnel in the US, 857 thousands of people in the National Guard, you just need to redeploy a group of a million people, with all the equipment, weapons, ammunition and supplies for a large and rather lengthy operation. This expeditionary group still needs to be recruited, trained, armed, equipped and prepared for transfer across the ocean. The transfer should also be carried out as soon as possible so that the expeditionary group is not broken up in parts.


BDK "Yamal" project 775. It has a cruising range of 6 thousands of miles and takes on 10 tanks and 340 people, not counting the crew. You must have at least 100 units so that a successful landing on the territory of the United States becomes at least theoretically attainable.


So, the Americans have a large bridgehead on the Eurasian continent in the form of the territory of the European members of NATO, and it already has advanced forces, bases and military infrastructure, and also has the ability to transfer large forces and supplies across the ocean. We do not have a bridgehead in the American continent and there is no possibility to transfer an expeditionary group of troops across the ocean with enough strength to achieve success.

Hence the conclusion that we will not be able to develop the results of our massive nuclear strike and go on to the offensive attack that is crushing the likely adversary at the moment of its greatest weakness. But NATO is able to do it. This is an objective fact that cannot be canceled by any hysterical cries.

Modifications of the military doctrine

The plan of probable war should nevertheless reach the end and provide for the achievement of a military victory over the probable adversary. In another case, the plan of probable warfare is a pile of worthless paper, albeit adorned with the vultures.

Even with a superficial glance at our defense doctrine (which, of course, provides for the preliminary elaboration of plans for a possible war), it becomes quite obvious that it is just a useless paper. In it, the final point of planning is a massive nuclear strike, and what will happen next, nothing is said about it. References to secrecy will not help here. If there were assumptions in the event of a war after an exchange of nuclear strikes, they would certainly have expressed themselves in a series of preparatory measures that could not be hidden.

Under current conditions, the belief in "otvetku" - is an illusion of security. In essence, the exchange of nuclear strikes means defeat to us. After the exchange of nuclear strikes, we will remain well if with a half of the pre-war economy, with a weakened army and a severely damaged military infrastructure. The damage inflicted on the probable opponent gives us a relatively small handicap: a month, perhaps six months, 2-3, which is enough only for the most elementary mobilization measures, and then we will deal with a numerically superior and constantly increasing enemy, deployed from bridgeheads, which we can not eliminate. For a year or two, they will crush us. So the bet on “otvetku” is definitely losing: shoot - and you can give up.

Since readers should not want to be the loser, it is advisable to briefly consider options for modifying the defense doctrine. In general, we have two options for such a modification. The first option, which envisages a drawn result of the war, is to make a bet on a protracted war on its territory, a kind of cold and snowy Vietnam. This option is available, but it requires preparatory measures, such as strengthening the military industry and placing it mainly in Eastern Siberia, strengthening coal energy in Eastern Siberia, developing transport communications between the Urals and Transbaikalia, with the construction of a dispersed system of roads, a kind of trail of Ho Chi Mina, crossing the Western Siberia, preparation for the general mobilization and training and arming of all capable of carrying weapons.


The option of cold and snowy Vietnam for the likely enemy provides for universal armament


Accordingly, in the military-technical sphere, a significant place should be given to the creation and pilot production of weapons and equipment of a mobilization sample: the simplest, most technologically advanced, produced by semi-handicraft methods from the most accessible raw materials. The number of military-economic measures should also include the development of the production of equipment for small dispersed military enterprises: various small-scale chemical installations for the production of fuel and military-relevant materials, metalworking machines and complexes, equipment for the production of cartridges and shells, and so on. If this is done, then there is a chance (not weak) that after a long fight the Americans will have to either give up or agree.

The second variant, which envisages the achievement of a military victory over a probable enemy, consists in a radical revision of the military doctrine and the development of a very extravagant version of it. She, in my mind, is based on three elements. First, the massive, automated production of ballistic missiles, so that thousands or even tens of thousands of missiles are launched in the volleys. Then you can count on achieving strong damage to the enemy’s military industry, disrupting its communications and sinking a significant part of its merchant fleet. The testament of the unforgettable Nikita Sergeevich: "Making rockets like sausages" remains relevant for us.

Secondly, the mass automated production of automatic percussion machines and ammunition for them. Since our human resources are far from unlimited, we must fight with iron, not with humans. Without a horde of automatic percussion machines, we have no chance to overthrow the enemy, dramatically outnumbered and mobilized.

Thirdly, the construction of huge concrete floating platforms that can be used to transfer a horde of combat robots across the ocean to America, as well as their production, using captured resources.

If this is done, then there are chances to achieve a military victory over the likely adversary in the global battle and redo the world order in their favor. Despite the fantastic nature of this extravagant version of the military doctrine, however, it alone promises the achievement of ultimate military success, complete defeat and surrender of the enemy.

It is clear that parting with the usual illusions is very painful, but it must be remembered that you cannot charge the gun with hysterics and loud statements and that the bravest paratroopers will not be able to cross the Atlantic Ocean.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 18 June 2018 05: 40
    +9
    The author has an interesting point of view on obvious things ... And nuclear weapons ... Like women's knees ... weapons declassified, but still scary ...
  2. Dart2027
    Dart2027 18 June 2018 05: 55
    +40
    The defeat of Germany in 1944-1945 is shown in the most obvious way. After the American and British aircraft launched a series of devastating attacks on synthetic fuel plants in the summer and fall of 1944, the German army lost all battles and the war as a whole.
    Author go to school. Germany did not lose this.
    The rest is in the same vein.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 19 June 2018 09: 54
      +3
      Quote: Dart2027
      Germany did not lose this.

      Well, actually, this is one of the many reasons for the defeat of the Reich.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 19 June 2018 10: 08
        +4
        Quote: PSih2097
        this is one of the many reasons for the defeat of the Reich

        One of the many is one thing, and exposing it as the main one is, to put it mildly, another.
  3. Vanek
    Vanek 18 June 2018 05: 56
    +3
    Under the current conditions, faith in an otvetku is an illusion of security. Essentially, the exchange of nuclear strikes for us means defeat. After an exchange of nuclear strikes, we will remain well if with half the pre-war economy, with a weakened army and heavily damaged military infrastructure. The damage caused to a potential adversary gives us a relatively small head start: 2-3 months, maybe six months, which is enough only for the most basic mobilization measures, and then we will deal with a numerically superior and constantly increasing enemy power,* unfolding from bridgeheads that we cannot eliminate. For a year or two, they will crush us. So the bet on “otvetku” is definitely losing: to shoot - and you can give up.


    You are in a panic mood.

    * From 06.1941 to 12.1941 we gave them a head start. In the meantime, they gave the sentence:

    - Come closer banderlog.

    How did it end? Our flag over the Reichstag. Fact.
    1. Captain El9ak
      Captain El9ak 18 June 2018 11: 18
      +5
      And what happened between 12.1941 and May 1945? What was the price of victory?
      PS
      "From 06.1941 to 12.1941 we gave them a head start. In the meantime, they gave us the following sentences:
      - Come closer banderlog.
      How did it end? Our flag over the Reichstag. Fact."
      The clinic is crying for you. Fact.
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 18 June 2018 11: 38
        +2
        Quote: Captain El9ak
        And what happened between 12.1941 and May 1945? What was the price of victory?


        And there was no talk about it!

        Quote: Captain El9ak
        The clinic is crying for you. Fact.


        El9ak ... Well, you give a pancake.

        Stereotype: The larger the jeep, the less El9ak.

        What? Is the car small? Complacency?

        What was between 41 and 45? The war was ...
    2. MrK
      MrK 18 June 2018 11: 38
      +10
      Quote: Vanek
      How did it end? Our flag over the Reichstag. Fact.

      I agree. This is the first.
      The second one. For some reason, the author says nothing about the radioactive contamination of the area after a nuclear strike. And how to restore industry in contaminated areas?
      And the third. “There was once a cheerful retired Russian general who said that Russia doesn’t need thousands of missiles today. In the USA there are only 27 regions, the destruction of which will mean the end for the source of the best democracy. It is in these areas that economically important objects are concentrated, without which the country simply ceases to exist as a state.

      I didn’t write this so that “but let’s embed”. There is simply no US country as a single economic mechanism. There are major economic centers, and America is surviving, which survives while corporations for these second-class Americans are still willing to splurge. "
      This is a quote from an article by A. Kurlandchik - How to live on? http://www.proza.ru/2018/05/28/1938
      It seems that the author is not against nuclear war. Perhaps he is from cockroaches? They certainly will survive.
      1. Vard
        Vard 18 June 2018 15: 33
        0
        Well twenty-seven is redundant ... Three ... five warheads ... Enough is enough ... And they know that ...
    3. prapor55
      prapor55 19 June 2018 04: 58
      0
      That was the flag, but it seems to me that one Minetman is enough for the largest Russian oil refinery at the very latest moment and it will simply disappear along with Omsk. Are there any specialists on this topic? What is the probability of a breakthrough of their missiles to Chelyabinsk for example?
  4. Ovsen
    Ovsen 18 June 2018 06: 05
    +12
    And here I just can’t understand why FLOATING PLATFORMS should be CONCRETE ????? belay
    Do we have another netuti material? Oh, trouble ......... lol
    1. cost
      cost 18 June 2018 06: 24
      +13
      It's full of material, but concrete, along the way, floats best wassat
      1. Ovsen
        Ovsen 18 June 2018 06: 30
        +13
        Quote: Rich
        concrete, along the way, floats best

        Ahhhhh !!!! And then I, the old dolben didn’t understand this, (although I’m a builder by training) ... And if you still put an iron cyborg platform on the ent, oh, combat iron robots, then buoyancy will obviously increase. lol And the tricky question torments me is- who is this "buoyancy" to the distant shores dragging ?. If only fighting robots themselves will row. what bully
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 18 June 2018 06: 34
          +3
          Quote: Lamb
          Who will drag this "buoyancy" to distant shores?


          "Features of national fishing."

          Do you remember? A piece of Finland (or where they were there) behind the periscope and forward.

          hi
        2. cost
          cost 18 June 2018 06: 34
          +6
          Ivan, welcome hi
          It’s just that the author of the article very subtly and intelligently hints at the quality of modern concrete Yes Like if the concrete does not sink then ,,,,, laughing
          1. Ovsen
            Ovsen 18 June 2018 06: 44
            +7
            Quote: Vanek
            A piece of Finland (or where they were there) behind the periscope and forward.

            Oh, to hell with periscopes it is necessary ....., given the "buoyancy" of concrete. Yes Yes, and the author is not in Finland offers to swim, gooooraazdo further. That way and the periscope can go for a walk.
            Quote: Rich
            Like if the concrete does not sink then

            I’m better not to mention the quality of modern building materials. IT ..... definitely doesn't sink
            And so you’ll read this kind of scientific research in the morning and immediately pop up from an imperishable line in your head-
            Oh, how many wonderful discoveries to us
            Prepare an enlightened spirit,

            True, I want to read the word miracles with emphasis on the second syllable-miraculous.
            Good morning guys! soldier
          2. Evgeniy667b
            Evgeniy667b 19 June 2018 05: 06
            +4
            There is such a thing, aerated concrete, there is a modification of foam concrete. They have closed pores and the buoyancy of these materials is quite normal. They made platforms for large ekranoplanes. If you do not know, it is better to remain silent.
        3. Anatoly83
          Anatoly83 18 June 2018 14: 00
          +5
          google - "ships from concrete" kolega, I was surprised
          1. Ovsen
            Ovsen 18 June 2018 16: 50
            +5
            Quote: Anatoly83
            google - "concrete ships" to
            It should be noted from reinforced concrete, not concrete
            I used to read about such ships. True, they did not receive a special spread of justice for the sake of.
            But here are the platforms! And then why not recommend this to the author .-
            The British engineer and scientist Geoffrey Pyke, an employee of the Mountbatten department, suggested assembling warships from frozen ice blocks by incorporating refrigeration pipes into the structure.

            Pike experimented with a curious material called fellow scientists in his honor - Pykrete, which was a frozen mixture of water and cellulose (actually, fine sawdust). This ice ship was built in Canada, on Lake Patricia Lake in Alberta, and it was summer, which was required for testing both construction technology and the ship itself. It was called Habakkuk, in honor of a prophet from the Old Testament who said: “The peoples see and are extremely surprised!

            Why something, but we have more sawdust with ice.
      2. alstr
        alstr 18 June 2018 07: 08
        +1
        No. It is necessary to attract icebergs.
      3. Ros 56
        Ros 56 18 June 2018 10: 00
        +6
        It's full of material, but concrete, along the way, floats best

        For information, here is the ship from reinforced concrete:
        And they have been doing quite a lot since the beginning of the last century.
    2. EnGenius
      EnGenius 18 June 2018 18: 15
      +1
      Great material for pontoons. Is it difficult to brainwash it? Steel is also sinking)
      1. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 19 June 2018 05: 17
        +2
        In the USSR, two yachts, Novinka, were made of glass cement and Cement was made of reinforced concrete. Very good reviews. But the habitability in them is not very compared to wood or plastic
  5. Basil50
    Basil50 18 June 2018 06: 23
    +15
    Something the author was lost in time. Similar was written in the nineties in justification of betrayal and plunder of the SOVIET UNION.
  6. Xroft
    Xroft 18 June 2018 06: 36
    +14
    Even if we put aside the strange argument, it is very difficult to imagine what will happen to the world after the exchange of massive nuclear strikes ... radiation pollution, radioactive rains, displacement of tectonic plates, destruction of fertile lands ... the question is not in the possibility of building up forces and occupation (of which a nuclear desert where are the destroyed cities and crowds of sick refugees?) and the question of the survival of billions of people. If now, with all the established connections and communications, we have a huge number of poor, sick, hungry people on the planet ... what will happen to humanity after such shocks ... there is clearly nothing good, and the key moment will not be the winners who will receive gesheft from victory.
  7. wooja
    wooja 18 June 2018 06: 50
    +12
    not bad, cheers-patriotism is also good, only America is better prepared for such events. Infrastructure - low buildings, roads, decentralization, organization, the ability to quickly disperse the population, most family and multi-family houses have extensive underground premises, parking lots, warehouses, a house without a living basement - it’s rare, Nikita was right, there were a lot of missiles, about nuclear winter, there are many questions ..., the correct article, much has been done in Russia, but we must be realistic, we are worse prepared for war
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 18 June 2018 10: 34
      +3
      This is if you hope to win, you are not ready at all. Only one blow of retaliation, and not on its own territory, is lost. In figs it does not need this Babylonian gathering. The answer should be those who have the audacity to give the order for the attack, the Masonic families. Well, this is so reasoning, why the impudent to conquer Russia when it is already a colony?
      1. jjj
        jjj 18 June 2018 11: 28
        +3
        If you disconnect energy capacities and communication lines in the United States, the country will be uncontrollable and plunge into chaos. How will they eat?
    2. smart ass
      smart ass 19 June 2018 05: 04
      +1
      And we have villages
  8. Per se.
    Per se. 18 June 2018 06: 56
    +1
    NATO troops can occupy Russia and join Moscow, but Russian troops can not occupy the US and join Washington, and for a fairly obvious reason
    There was such a film, “The Head of Chukotka,” where they traveled from Alaska to Chukotka and back by dog ​​sledding. We also had an army in Chukotka under Stalin ...
    In 1948, the concentration of a large group of armed forces began in Chukotka. Some time later, it was transformed into a special purpose assault army 14 under the command of Lieutenant General Nikolay Oleshev, Hero of the Soviet Union.
    About 14 th army in Chukotka already in our time laid down a lot of beautiful legends. “The army was created by Stalin’s personal order,” the Military Industrial Courier newspaper wrote in 2009, and had a strategic objective: “If the Americans commit an atomic attack on us, they land in Alaska, march along the coast and develop an offensive against the US "...
    The reality was not so romantic. There were no means for the landing in Alaska, and even more so for the “attack on the USA”, the 14-I Chukotka army.
    In reality, the 14 Army solves purely defensive tasks, protecting the most convenient bays of the Chukotka coast from the likely landing of the American fleet. One rifle division of this army south of Anadyr was covered by the only coal mines in Chukotka.

    However, even a weak army just a few dozen miles from Alaska worried the US command. Back in 1946, the Alaskan Eskimos began to form detachments for reconnaissance on the Chukotka territory; in the event of war, the native intelligence officers became saboteurs.
    In 1950, the Stalin government decided in the spirit of the grandiose projects characteristic of that time: so that the service in Chukotka does not seem to be a reference thousands of kilometers from cities, it is necessary to develop the industry of the peninsula, build new settlements and railroads, increase the population. The military was given extra benefits - a salary, or, as they said, "money allowances", for urgent soldiers
    services in Chukotka were raised 4 times in comparison with the rest of the country, and officers for each year services increased their salaries by 5%.

    However, the ambitious plans of a large industrial and military construction in Chukotka were not realized. Immediately after Stalin’s death, the new rulers of the USSR decided in May 1953 of the year to turn down all the most expensive projects, such as the railway to Yakutsk and the tunnel to Sakhalin. The military grouping in Chukotka was attributed to too expensive projects. The northernmost army briefly survived Stalin; by 1954, it was disbanded.
    For a long time geologists will find traces of the vanished army in deserted expanses from Yakutia to the Bering Strait.

    Details on the Far East website:
    https://dv.land/history/atomnaya-bomba-dlya-chuko
    tki
  9. Vadim851
    Vadim851 18 June 2018 07: 00
    +3
    There is only a grain of truth, no more. In my opinion, there are two main problems: Russia will have to spray a blow at numerous allies and some bases abroad, but the enemy does not need this. Therefore, you need to consider the potentials of France and the UK as an addition to the American.
    The second - how to destroy the ocean fleet, strategic nuclear forces are not designed for this, unless the bases are hit, but in the threatened period, obviously everything will deduce the main thing.
    1. Himdym
      Himdym 18 June 2018 10: 28
      +5
      Of course, I did not finish the General Staff Academy, but I believe that it is enough to inflict unacceptable damage on the enemy’s economy (overseas, of course), and he, the enemy, will not be up to the occupation of the Russian Federation, by the way, hostile territory with sabotage and other joys of the occupied territories.
    2. zulusuluz
      zulusuluz 18 June 2018 18: 05
      +1
      The second - how to destroy the ocean fleet, strategic nuclear forces are not designed for this
      It is precisely for these purposes that the TNW is intended.
  10. alstr
    alstr 18 June 2018 07: 30
    +3
    The author, speaking of the destruction of our infrastructure, forgets that their infrastructure is also vulnerable. And low-rise buildings will not save them much. Number of electrical hubs 15 pcs. Their destruction and most of the industry in touch.
    There is nothing to say about Europe - the number of gas hubs is about a dozen, and most of them are gas-powered.
    There are also few electrohubs.
    Those. about 50 ICBMs in the USA and another 50 ICBMs and about a hundred Caliber to Europe. The field of this economy will be stopped.
    A certain amount of ICBMs to strike at the ports of the USA and Europe, as well as a strike to naval bases - and here the military potential is greatly weakened. Well, for symmetry, several ICBMs and a hundred calibers to Japan - Okinawa and ports. And the failure of a couple of nuclear power plants - and Japanese industry will also be covered.

    And so surely all the targets are known and the calculation of the strike is made and we can guess until the second coming.

    Therefore, the conclusion is simple. It may not be a nuclear winter, but industry will drop it several decades ago.

    It does not take into account that China will not stand aside either, because our destruction will not be beneficial to him (because he will be left alone against NATO). And if Russia has some other allies, then China does not have them from the word at all, because after their cultural revolution, they stepped on the tail of all their neighbors.
    Well, North Korea will also add at the same time.
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 18 June 2018 17: 55
      +6
      Well, why forget? here:
      "Secondly, strikes on the USA and European countries will disable about 10-15% of energy capacities in the USA and 5-10% in Europe."
      that is, according to the author, in our country 70% will be covered and in Europe 5-10%. no more ... with horseradish, the author does not specify. just here. "the artist sees so." in principle, there’s no point in reading further, since the level of objectivity of this opus is already clear.
      shorter than KG AM. hi
    2. wehr
      18 June 2018 22: 05
      0
      In Japan, after the Fukushima accident, all nuclear power plants were closed for inspections and for a long time. And nothing, Japanese industry was not covered by this.
  11. wooja
    wooja 18 June 2018 07: 52
    +1
    War is the engine of progress. The practice of martial arts says the fight always ends on earth. It is necessary to create a decentralized infrastructure, it needs provincialization of the country, multipolarity at the state level, and a hard power fist, the example of the Second World War is already forgotten - it is a pity. US investments in the infrastructure in the 30s have long brought net profit. real incentive. History teaches that no one is learning anything. And painting the grass is a very dubious action, the grass needs to be grown and taken care of, is it trivial ?, and the article says trivial things. Whisper crying in the desert .....
  12. Beholder
    Beholder 18 June 2018 07: 53
    +10
    The fear of nuclear weapons, which acted as a means of intimidating a potential adversary and the basis of the illusion of security, rejected a rational approach to nuclear weapons ..

    The apotheosis of this psychological warfare was, of course, the theory of "nuclear winter", which is actually incorrect and refuted by empirical data.

    The defeat of Germany in 1944-1945 is shown in the most obvious way. After the American and British aircraft launched a series of devastating attacks on synthetic fuel plants in the summer and fall of 1944, the German army lost all battles and the war as a whole.

    Erroneous assumptions at the beginning of the article, rigging and distortion of facts .. and reading further does not make sense, because the conclusions border on insanity.
    1. parma
      parma 18 June 2018 09: 53
      +2
      They are only partly erroneous ..
      There will be no nuclear winter, because mega volcanoes, according to scientists, emit ashes no less (or rather more) of nuclear war .. Another issue is radioactive contamination, but again the pollution will be local (the same polygons, Chernobyl, Fukushima) ...
      And as for Germany’s defeat, there are a lot of them ... And less mobilization potential, and less resource and industrial base, and not the ability to strike at all opponents (Germany could conduct active hostilities only with the USSR, while the coalition could strike anywhere, due to total sea domination), and the inability to defend their own industry or inflict damage on the enemy industry .. Germany was not at all capable of waging a protracted war, only a blitzkrieg ..
  13. Loess
    Loess 18 June 2018 08: 20
    +6
    Somehow everything in the article is put upside down. And the argument, to put it mildly, no. If you comment briefly - an article minus.
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  15. Lena363
    Lena363 18 June 2018 08: 32
    +7
    As for guerrilla warfare, this is ridiculous. And most importantly - there is no political motivation among the population to engage in this stupidity. Will they be scared by the tale that the evil Americans, the British and others will destroy them all or drive them to a concentration camp? Yes, fullness! This is despite the fact that the population will see how the ruling elite of Russia will be in the West long before the start of the war. The benefit of private jets has not been canceled. And from there they will call to go to the partisans? And fight to the bitter end for Abramovich, Chubais and others?
    1. Senior manager
      Senior manager 18 June 2018 15: 37
      +2
      That is - everything was gone ??? Did I understand correctly? Amerzians are white and fluffy. Hmm-ah.
    2. asiat_61
      asiat_61 20 June 2018 17: 52
      +1
      Surrender or what?
  16. Curious
    Curious 18 June 2018 08: 36
    +11
    Why was this thermonuclear thrash placed in the Analytics section? There is, after all, an “Opinion” for this, although the need has clearly ripened to create a section of the “Delirium” type.
  17. parusnik
    parusnik 18 June 2018 08: 45
    +7
    the construction of huge concrete floating platforms with which to transfer a horde of fighting robots across the ocean to America
    ... It's great. And if you paste over the portraits of Chubais, Mutko and others, they will become unsinkable in principle ... Figs which rocket or torpedo will take .. And if you also, paste the rockets and planes .. Victory is guaranteed ...
  18. 2329 Carpenter
    2329 Carpenter 18 June 2018 09: 01
    +6
    There is such garbage: "unacceptable damage." Floating concept, applicable to individual, tactical, operational or strategic situations. So, we can one hundred percent be able, in a given situation, to inflict such damage on the enemy that he considers unacceptable. Knowing, moreover, about what kind of human material he would go into battle with. They really are unlikely to find their Filippov Romanovs in our comfortable time for life.
    So such articles are most likely from the category of “brainchildren” or games in a certain virtual strategy.
  19. free
    free 18 June 2018 09: 10
    +3
    Chur me the first personalized rocket with a button! wink In general, there is a sound grain in the article.
  20. Stils
    Stils 18 June 2018 09: 23
    +7
    Twenty five again! One grandmother said that nuclear weapons are not so powerful!
  21. Ros 56
    Ros 56 18 June 2018 09: 44
    +12
    The author is just a cheap PR man, boss, everything is gone, the client leaves, the plaster is removed and further on in the same vein. Of particular interest is our loss of energy capacity of 70%, and in Europe 10-15% and states 15-20%. Where do these numbers come from, and it’s weak to suppose because of the scanty size of Western Oyropa it won’t be at all striped, and our 11 time zones from 24 world ones mean something? And God did not offend us with the designers of weapons. So dear author, knocking on the clave, these are not bags tossing and turning. bully hi stop
  22. Украинец
    Украинец 18 June 2018 10: 03
    +3
    The author forgot about China!
    What will become of him?
    America may win, but it will be very weak. It is a sin not to take advantage of such a weakening.

    There is another option. Europe does not bomb. Only American bases in Europe and, of course, America itself. Thus, more bombs on America.
    Not the fact that Europe after such a weakening of America wants to fight with Russia
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 18 June 2018 14: 34
      +2
      And China will simply take advantage of the situation and capture our Far East and Siberia, probably to the Urals. We need to have enough carriers with DRONs for China to be enough. The author is right to produce an army of robots.
  23. Gays
    Gays 18 June 2018 10: 14
    +10
    Already 3 articles in a month that nuclear weapons are garbage, that they are not needed, that there will be no answers, and if it does, it will be worse for us. And no one traces the idea that nuclear weapons are a means of guaranteed (!) Inflicting unacceptable (!) Damage to the enemy. Everyone will lose from the exchange of nuclear weapons, and this makes us think about using both nuclear weapons and conventional weapons against a country that has nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles.
  24. Serg4545
    Serg4545 18 June 2018 10: 42
    +15
    I will try to answer reasonably. Although the passage about platforms with robots confused me).
    I'll start right away with a trump card:
    During the Chernobyl accident, about 10% of the loaded fuel was thrown out of the reactor. Moreover, most of this emission remained to lie near the reactor and was subsequently covered with a sarcophagus. Only a negligible percentage of the loaded fuel went beyond the station. But this amount was enough to make a rustle. (In my opinion, the panic over this accident was somewhat exaggerated, but still the consequences were serious.)
    The United States currently has over 100 active reactors. So a maximum of a hundred warheads, we can destroy all reactors. The rising nuclear mushroom will suck in all the fuel from the destroyed reactor (and not 10% as in Chernobyl). It will raise this fuel to a great height and subsequently air currents will spread and sow vast territories with this highly radioactive muck.
    The total effect will be like from several thousand Chernobyls. Nuclear power plants in the USA, for obvious reasons, are close to consumers. It means that the largest and most densely populated territory in the USA will be infected to one degree or another.
    So, as a result, in the first couple of hours, the United States will lose several tens of millions of people killed and dozens more injured as a result of attacks on cities. Over the next couple of days, several more tens of millions of people will receive poisoning due to emissions from reactors.
    In the United States in a few days, about half the population either dies or becomes disabled. The remaining half hysterically rushes about the continent (some to Canada, some to Mexico), looking for a place where you can breathe, without the risk of picking up a dose. And where they can provide qualified assistance to wounded / poisoned relatives.
    And you want to say that after SUCH, the US will think about the occupation of one of the strongest countries in the world !?
    Yes, you’re a big dreamer, old man.
    1. wehr
      18 June 2018 20: 55
      0
      Before writing this, it would be better to familiarize yourself with the design of reactors such as PWR or BWR.
    2. aleks700
      aleks700 19 June 2018 17: 55
      0
      And you want to say that after SUCH, the US will think about the occupation of one of the strongest countries in the world !?
      Will be! Is always. Having lost half the population, they will exceed us in number. Canada and Mexico are dependent countries and, in the event of a mess, will work for the states.
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  26. Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 18 June 2018 10: 52
    +11
    Well, yes, it’s clear that in 44-45 Germany lost because her Allies bombed, not because she lost the Romanian oil fields as a result of the successful offensive of the Soviet troops, but because the plants bombed ... and a massive nuclear strike will certainly not be devastating, especially when Provided that the HPP and NPP will be attacked first, vast territories will be flooded and Chernobyl will be in almost every region, which will not be extinguished, although there will be nothing to extinguish, all 190+ tons of nuclear fuel will disperse in fine form around the district , this is not 60 kg of uranium per hirostma ... What do the author follow when he writes such nonsense ...
  27. demo
    demo 18 June 2018 10: 53
    +5
    There is no time or desire to analyze the article.
    Due to its one-sidedness and bias, as well as the author’s self-confidence in her own infallibility.
    Option.
    There is an exchange of nuclear strikes (God forbid, and God forbid).
    During the war, and this is war, no banking operations will be performed.
    Due to the failure of the main ways of transmitting information - fiber optic communication.
    It will burn in the first place - an electromagnetic pulse.
    Will turn around the server. The satellites will be knocked down.
    Who and what can buy and sell under such conditions?
    Money loves peace and quiet.
    In ruins lies Berlin, Paris, London, Madrid, Rome.
    In the radioactive ruins lie.
    And then mobilization?
    To attack Russia?
    And how to recover under conditions of radioactive contamination?
    Repair teams do not even know how to behave in conditions of such infections.

    All have families and children. Who is closer to the sea and who has boats, kayaks and canoes will rush into hospitable Africa.
    There they are already waiting with open arms.
    And oil and refineries are the coolest target to strike.
    Even nuclear weapons are not needed. 2-3 caliber or 1 iskander and - Sonya skipped the trolley.
    So.
    There is no connection, there is no fuel, the water is radioactive, there are no products, we smell flowers in gas masks.
    What is the occupation of Russia in FIG - winter on the nose.
    Forests will begin to cut wood.
    The massacre for the best places to live will begin.

    And why not cut oil production in CA, UAE, Kuwait, and other places of oil production?
    That surely nothing would be busy anywhere.
    Then the prospect of bringing troops for occupation arises from the United States.

    The topic is global and poorly analyzable.
    Explicitly not designed for the "mass buyer" in the VO.
  28. misti1973
    misti1973 18 June 2018 11: 08
    +2
    Well, happy days to the author under nuclear attacks :) I personally do not want to spend time! Environmental pollution, the complete destruction of infrastructure, a huge number of victims of damaging factors, etc. The Second World holiday will seem. In addition, loss of control and communication with top officials may occur; the warriors will begin to act at their discretion - well, in general, there will be more fun!
  29. Nicholas
    Nicholas 18 June 2018 11: 18
    +3
    Whether there will be atomic weapon strikes or not, this does not cancel the mobilization and deployment of the aircraft. If the author opens his military card, then most likely he will see a glued-in mobilization order. Or maybe he won’t, then it’s clear why he doesn’t know about the prana of mobilization. So-so analytics.
  30. iouris
    iouris 18 June 2018 11: 37
    +3
    Do you want to avoid defeat in the "general war" - fight constantly, wherever you need. Then you will have the growth of territories and population growth, and these are the key issues of the development of the market and economy. And stop lying about the "information war."
  31. Key 32
    Key 32 18 June 2018 11: 49
    +2
    And Katz stubbornly offered everything and offered to surrender ..
  32. Alexander Safonov
    Alexander Safonov 18 June 2018 12: 18
    +2
    There are unaccounted factors. An explosion of a pair of nuclear mines in the North Sea will simply wash off half of Europe. The hit of at least one warhead in the caldera of the Yellowstone supervolcano most likely activates its explosion and then it will not be necessary to occupy the territory of the United States. Poseidon, as a development of the idea of ​​Academician Sakharov, with an atomic super torpedo, will also make the territory of North America unfit for habitation. Moreover, explosions of nuclear landmines at the bottom, in the zone of tectonic faults in the Atlantic and the Pacific Ocean near North America ... The tectonic plate on which the United Kingdom is located will simply slip into the Ocean. Japan, with American bases, will hide under water ... The only question is how catastrophic the explosion of a supervolcano will be ...
    1. wehr
      18 June 2018 20: 57
      +4
      Stop already carrying this nonsense, otherwise I will have to disassemble it in a separate article laughing
    2. Alexander Safonov
      Alexander Safonov 24 June 2018 10: 40
      +1
      I did not find it necessary to analyze the article itself ... I received a comment by the author about nonsense in my comment. Attempts to refer to specialists in personal messages to the author showed that the author has his own super task in publishing, many wrote about this in the comments ...
      And, nevertheless, I would like to refer to a specialist: Colonel General Anatoly Petnovich Sitnov, ex-chief of armaments of the Russian army. He writes: In 1997 I was forced to go to NATO. Accepted by Solan, we studied the possibility of interaction and coordination of actions with NATO. Finished the meeting, the Frenchman comes up and says: “Mr. General, can I ask the general a question? You have aimed 220 nuclear blocks at France. ” I say: “Firstly, I do not participate in nuclear planning, I can’t say: 220 or something else. But from the point of view of the assessment, I do not see the point in such numbers. ” He says: “Why?” “Well, if Russia had to use something on the territory of France, two megaton bombs could be used in the North Sea - and a wave 40 meters high would go from Calais to Marseille - and that’s all: there aren’t people, but everything’s left.” “You,” says “a barbarian!” I answer: “We are not barbarians, we do not plan and do not make such applications. But you should know that you need to negotiate with Russia, not threaten. ”

      I don’t see the point of giving links about Poseidon as developing Sakharov’s idea with its super torpedo and nuclear mines along the coast of the United States, about dumping information about Status 6, as well as the General Staff’s calculations about the required number of nuclear warheads for a Yellowstone explosion ... It is useless to discuss with the author of this article ...
      1. Alexander Safonov
        Alexander Safonov 24 June 2018 10: 43
        0
        References to Colonel General Anatoly Petrovich Sitnov:
        http://argumenti.ru/politics/2018/04/569703
        General Sitnov: how to bring down the Tomahawk cruise missile
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emkhk5VYUGM&i
        ndex = 16 & list = UUUndA_nUiEeDVtEyxPhnkXw
      2. wehr
        24 June 2018 14: 44
        0
        The nonsense of Sitnov and his ilk has already been exposed below.
  33. Igor Strakh
    Igor Strakh 18 June 2018 12: 40
    +2
    I look at more than one of my "concrete platforms" caused particular bewilderment. :-) Even if such a floating platform-barge-island (such as concrete — an air cushion) is made and equipped with a certain engine, it will be extremely vulnerable to one (not even exploding, but simply flying “draft” bombs and all this “junk” with all it’s going to the Pacific bottom. 11 tons of water enters a hole with a diameter of a meter in one second. Therefore, even the entire 6 US Navy, by its very nature, is intended only to frighten the Germans with “muscles” - to a serious war against a nuclear enemy - it’s not ready. to the aircraft carrier e, - you can make so many holes with missiles that it drowns in 2 minutes, and it’s even more preferable to go, destroy 5-7 thousand soldiers dispersed in the trenches and dugouts of the enemy (yes, in chemical and radioactive defense means). here - the racket flew in - and Aha! ... If we were to fantasize then the “islands” of hollow PET bottles covered with metal platforms would turn out to be much more survivable - but this too is fantastic.
    1. wehr
      18 June 2018 22: 10
      0
      Thousands of watertight compartments are not difficult to make in a floating reinforced concrete island (in fact, this is a necessity for greater strength and less material consumption). All kinds of hatches and doors are perfectly monolithic in reinforced concrete.
      Even if one compartment received a hole and drowned, it is not so difficult to batten it, then put a patch on the outside of the hole and fill it with concrete hardening in sea water. Then water is pumped out of the flooded compartment.
  34. kitamo
    kitamo 18 June 2018 12: 53
    +2
    why didn’t the author explain to us that the Yellowstone volcano is all garbage and a pair of vigorous warheads that “accidentally” landed in it will not cause its eruption, or, at least, that this eruption is garbage in itself?

    and now, almost my whole life, I have been tormented by the question: once a well-known dissident, comrade Academician Sakharov, came up with something about vigorous landmines blown up in the ocean and capable of causing catastrophic tsunamis towards the American coast ...
    the author of the consequences calculated such an option and did he take a certificate from the RF Ministry of Defense that such landmines are not lying, somewhere there at the bottom for thirty years already?
    1. wehr
      18 June 2018 20: 58
      +2
      Okay, at the request of the workers there will be a discussion of the topic about Yellowstone
  35. Stiletto_711
    Stiletto_711 18 June 2018 13: 54
    +4
    the theory of "nuclear winter", actually incorrect and refuted by empirical data


    I didn’t read further. The author conducted experiments on the application of massive strikes by thermonuclear charges? Directly in the ward experienced? Before or after medication? negative
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 18 June 2018 22: 34
      0
      Quote: Stilett_71
      the theory of "nuclear winter", actually incorrect and refuted by empirical data


      I didn’t read further. The author conducted experiments on the application of massive strikes by thermonuclear charges? Directly in the ward experienced? Before or after medication? negative

      Well, nuclear winter is most likely nonsense. For it to come, you need to raise a huge amount of dust into the stratosphere, which will settle for more than one year. Well, where is the nuclear winter, in the last century there were so many nuclear warheads exploding that it would not be enough for one war, but there is still no nuclear winter.
  36. Tektor
    Tektor 18 June 2018 13: 56
    0
    Here the circumstance noted in the previous article comes into effect: NATO troops can occupy Russia and enter Moscow, but Russian troops cannot occupy the United States and enter Washington, for a fairly obvious reason. Russia cannot transport its troops across the Atlantic and land on the American continent, while the Americans already have a huge bridgehead in Europe that directly goes to the borders of Russia, and there is also the possibility of a landing in the Far East
    This opinion is erroneous: we have the opportunity to cross the Berengov Strait and begin the liberation of the states from Alaska. It is only necessary to bring the railway to Chukotka. Moreover, in two ways - the northern latitudinal passage to Cape Schmidt and through Yakutsk to Anadyr, kmk.
    In addition, no one knows for sure how many TNW and its carriers we have. According to some estimates, it can be up to 14 thousand units, of which up to 5 thousand - for air-based carriers. And this may be enough for all plants not only of NATO, but also outside its territory.
    1. wehr
      18 June 2018 20: 59
      +1
      Yes, yes, quite a bit of work, literally start and finish.
      Do you know which place the railway has now reached?
  37. raw174
    raw174 18 June 2018 13: 59
    +2
    The author was apparently rigidly hooked on computer toys and films about the iron man ...
  38. Altona
    Altona 18 June 2018 14: 20
    +5
    Quote: Lena363
    And from there they will call to go to the partisans? And fight to the bitter end for Abramovich, Chubais and others?

    -----------------------------
    Yeah, I represent the new bourgeois announcer a la Levitan.
    Today, at 4 o’clock in the morning, conscientious businessmen Aven, Sechin, and Vekselberg were perfidiously attacked. Their industrial and commercial assets were subjected to mass bombing. We urge real patriots to take up arms and give a fitting rebuff to the aggressors. For a "worthy rebuff" you will receive 2 thousand rubles at the box office. For uniforms and automatic weapons in the same place 35 thousand rubles. For cartridges separately 5 thousand for a full store. laughing laughing
  39. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 18 June 2018 14: 46
    +13
    The second time on the site appear dubious, in my opinion, the conclusions of Mr. Verkhoturov about the "answer" (And the intellectual was honored to belch out!).
    Briefly, what can not be agreed due to the absurdity of the affirmation of a non-military person, who grabbed intellectual fleas from the Arbatovs and K *.
    1. Poorly taught psychology at the university. Fear, like aggression, bravado, is the body's response to DANGER. Depending on the psychotype, x-ra activity of the ANS. Therefore, the statement: aggression / bravado - derivatives of fear is a sheer nonsense.
    2. The author did not teach POLITICAL SCIENCE well, because to call Gorbachev the General Secretary of the CPSU is not correct. He was the General Secretary of the Central Committee (!) of the CPSU.
    3. "The Soviet command began to develop plans to abandon nuclear weapons" - a statement that distorts the essence of the process of predicting the dynamics of nuclear disarmament, and not the initiative, on the part of the USSR, of abandoning nuclear weapons. By decision of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU, calculations were made to eliminate (mutually with the United States (!) the nuclear potential of the USSR Armed Forces upon reaching a mutual agreement on the nuclear disarmament of the parties. That's all!
    4. With what fright did the author take that "the fear of using nuclear weapons acted as a means of creating an illusion of security"? I am a professional military man, and I remember well that we were trained to maintain a database using weapons of mass destruction to achieve VICTORY in any situation! And there was no fear, no "illusions" either, because we knew what, if necessary, we would die for. By this time, the conclusions from the exercises at the Totsk test site, the results of the use of nuclear weapons on Novaya Zemlya, etc., were already known.
    5. It is completely absurd to conclude that the USSR collapsed as a result of “unbridled self-intimidation with nuclear weapons”, which can lead to capitulation. Author! The country was capitulated by traitors and too kind, naive Soviet people who implicitly believed in Gorbachev and Co.
    6. The author constantly compares the equivalents of conventional (conventional) weapons and nuclear weapons. The comparison is incorrect, because it does not take into account r / a contamination of the area, penetrating radiation (neutron BP), and other damaging factors of long-term nuclear weapons (fear of radiation sickness, for example).
    In general, putting WMDs and conventional weapons on one board is an unforgivable stupidity even for a shpak!
    7. Speaking about the interests of the USA and the Russian Federation in the last 20 years, the author deftly "distorts the cards"! Russia had no vital interests in Lebanon, Iraq, Yugoslavia, so there was no need to “raise your voice”, to threaten the use of nuclear weapons, as was the case in 1956 during the tripartite aggression against Egypt. Or today in the SAR. Or when the United States tries to climb into / into Ukraine. And the States understood and understand this well. Therefore, they behave accordingly. Moreover, the military is much more reasonable than the cowboy Donya.
    8. About "surrender/occupation/non-fear of nuclear weapons". Nonsense and lack of any patriotism... Common sense, in other matters, too!
    “About the occupation of Washington.” Well, there will be nothing for us to do in the radioactive desert after the use of the Poseidons! And there is no such thing in the plans of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation for the near future. The northern shore of the Strait of Gibraltar is quite enough for us.
    - As for the exchange of nuclear weapons with the United States, I see. But at the expense of NATO and K * - I doubt it very much! It is unlikely that Europeans will agree to receive gifts from the Russian Strategic Rocket Forces, RV and YES. Therefore, there is a serious flaw in NATO unity. However, Germany and France already understood what the Yankees were leading to: they certainly did not intend to rake in the nuclear heat with their own hands for the striped. Therefore, they create their EURO-NATO, where there will be no place for Uncle Sam with his appetites and ambitions.
    - NATO ground operation. Germans - yes, fighters! Who else? French, Belgians? Maybe Italians !? Therefore, if the "terrible" happens, then most likely the SV tank skating rink will go through Europe to Gibraltar, leaving UK & USA on the islands ... radioactive, however.
    9. About the NATO fleet. Hitting a womb will significantly weaken its striking power. And r / a infection will make it difficult (if not impossible at all) to land forces by the “port” method. With ships in the sea will have to deal with anti-ship missiles and daggers from the regiment and DA VKS. I don’t think that after the very first losses the amov will have a desire to drown their rangers in the Atlantic in the thousands.
    10. The author didn’t seem to hear our President saying that “we don’t need a world without Russia. Why do we need such a world? ”And this is essentially a political orientation on the use of the whole arsenal of weapons of war, not excluding“ exotic ”ones, such as tectonic, climatic, seismic and other types of weapons. And not just “shoot from a gun!”
    In one, the author is undeniably right: armies are fighting, based on the foundation of a national (or coalition) economy. Therefore, we need air for peace, to strengthen our economy - the foundation of the military power of our armed forces.
    I wrote a lot. But he could not answer the insinuations. Conscience does not allow!
    1. PPD
      PPD 18 June 2018 15: 31
      +3
      And you were not too lazy to write so much in response to deliberate nonsense.
    2. Freeman
      Freeman 18 June 2018 19: 35
      +2
      Boa KAA (Alexander) Today, 14:46
      3. "The Soviet command began to develop plans to abandon nuclear weapons" - a statement that distorts the essence of the process of predicting the dynamics of nuclear disarmament, and not the initiative, on the part of the USSR, of abandoning nuclear weapons. By decision of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU, calculations were made to eliminate (mutually with the United States (!) the nuclear potential of the USSR Armed Forces upon reaching a mutual agreement on the nuclear disarmament of the parties. That's all!

      In support of your thesis hi
  40. Lyutoyar R.
    Lyutoyar R. 18 June 2018 14: 48
    0
    Quote: wooja
    not bad, cheers-patriotism is also good, only America is better prepared for such events. Infrastructure - low buildings, roads, decentralization, organization, the ability to quickly disperse the population, most family and multi-family houses have extensive underground premises, parking lots, warehouses, a house without a living basement - it’s rare, Nikita was right, there were a lot of missiles, about nuclear winter, there are many questions ..., the correct article, much has been done in Russia, but we must be realistic, we are worse prepared for war

    What is the point of this parking? Is it airtight or what? Well, you will sit there for several days, and then what? You still need to go out onto a poisoned surface. I advise you to read the book Tarmashev "To each his own." There, the survivors' lives are described in great detail and colorfully. And it’s described in what shelters you can survive, and how many people they can accommodate ...
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 18 June 2018 22: 45
      +1
      Quote: Lyutoyar R.
      Quote: wooja
      not bad, cheers-patriotism is also good, only America is better prepared for such events. Infrastructure - low buildings, roads, decentralization, organization, the ability to quickly disperse the population, most family and multi-family houses have extensive underground premises, parking lots, warehouses, a house without a living basement - it’s rare, Nikita was right, there were a lot of missiles, about nuclear winter, there are many questions ..., the correct article, much has been done in Russia, but we must be realistic, we are worse prepared for war

      What is the point of this parking? Is it airtight or what? Well, you will sit there for several days, and then what? You still need to go out onto a poisoned surface. I advise you to read the book Tarmashev "To each his own." There, the survivors' lives are described in great detail and colorfully. And it’s described in what shelters you can survive, and how many people they can accommodate ...

      And Tarmashev, that there were people whose cities were nuclear attacked, why should I read his fabrications? And the meaning of basements and parking lots is that short-lived isotopes, which decay within a few days, make the main contribution to ionizing radiation, and if you wait a few days, it is quite possible to bring down the city that was hit.
    2. wehr
      19 June 2018 00: 50
      +1
      Tarmashev ... Fiction ... Post-Apocalypse ... "Ast" ...
      And these people still blame me for something. laughing
      No serious literature would be read, like "Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Physical, Medical, and Social Effects of the Atomic Bombing."
  41. Senior manager
    Senior manager 18 June 2018 15: 54
    0
    The author in the third article insists on the thesis "everything is lost." The FSA sees in pink dreams the defeat of Russia, well, exactly according to the scenario of the author. A logical question arises, but when will the Amersans conquer us? According to the author of the FSA win this war, well, 100% win. The situation for the embodiment of their (amertish) wet dreams has developed. It seems that they know a lot about Russia, they know how to count the consequences and do not attack. So all the author’s steam goes off. It seems, as some colleagues claim - PR and graphomania. An article may not be a minus, but certainly not a masterpiece.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 18 June 2018 18: 39
      +2
      Quote: St. Propulsion
      The author in the third article insists on the thesis "everything is lost."

      The idea of ​​the article fits into the Amer’s concept of the free use of small and super small nuclear warheads. But we need to capitulate, because even a massive YaU with our Strategic Rocket Forces on the Yankees will not change anything ... And if we dare to confront NATO, then the land is all the same!
      The way out is in robotics and artificial intelligence. But this is the 6th way of the economy, and we still did not really understand the 4th.
      Conclusion - to us Khan! "Long live the light of humanity SGA !!!" fellow
      Now, in short, the essence of the work of Mr. journalist.
  42. Nikolay73
    Nikolay73 18 June 2018 17: 23
    +1
    ... author, you do not know what you are writing about. Occupation of such a vast territory? Consider the actions of the Western coalition in Syria, maybe even a little understanding will come. If it were all so easy, Soros would not have spent money, but would have long been torn away and trumpeted .... and for twenty years they had already eaten Lipetsk apples with Made in Mansant potatoes.
  43. ashnajder
    ashnajder 18 June 2018 17: 51
    -1
    the author is right only in the first part, after an exchange of attacks, NATO will enter the territory of the Russian Federation from European bridgeheads, occupy the European part of the Russian Federation, start distributing euros) build roads and hospitals, put up a decent administration) Siberia decides that it is not responsible for the government of oligarchs - and they say she’ll live, the hinterland may not notice the destruction of Moscow, in short, the main thing is to create motivation and politics will win, the author of the rights in one USA and NATO can crank up the ground operation, but Russia does not.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 18 June 2018 18: 46
      +4
      Quote: ashnajder
      the author of the rights in one US and NATO can crank up a ground operation, but the Russian Federation does not.

      The namesake, if this is your opinion, then you and the author are deeply mistaken! bully
      1. wehr
        18 June 2018 21: 01
        0
        Try to prove the opposite laughing
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 18 June 2018 22: 48
          +1
          Quote: wehr
          Try to prove the opposite laughing

          No, it doesn’t work like that, you try to prove your point of view, and if she has at least a little bit the right to life, then you can try to refute it
          1. wehr
            19 June 2018 00: 38
            0
            Do I understand correctly that you have no evidence to substantiate your point of view?
            And, one wonders, why should I believe you?
        2. Oleg Monarchist
          Oleg Monarchist 5 July 2018 16: 13
          +1
          Something like this "chip" about "the US and NATO can crank up the ground operation," in Mosul somehow did not ride .... laughing Well, yes, you have to die in the same place, it's not at all like taking a selfie against the background of Ivan-city.

          Question .... how many shreds will tear the American president and the entire congress and senate if for a month of fighting in Russia families in Idaho, Nevada, New York and so on. will receive several hundred thousand coffins.
          1. ashnajder
            ashnajder 2 August 2018 16: 05
            -1
            on the whole I agree, but we will already be in the Stone Age)) like Yugoslavia, and we don’t have to think that they will not act more subtly, split into federal subjects, how much did Vlasov have in the ROA?
  44. Signaller
    Signaller 18 June 2018 19: 24
    0
    I read this opus, though in the military-industrial complex. Anyway. Pondered for a long time. I visited a little bath- Well, the answer is that the answer is different. We have such a territory that they can shower. for the most do not spoil. And we are especially invisible. But the same Anglo-Saxons, there one successful hit will lead the country into a rage from losses .. The second is in a hurry. and the third, they will run to surrender. Psychology, friends-PSYCHOLOGY. There is even such a theme- "Impatience with losses." He’s not so sharp here. and the Anglo-Saxons - then there will be losses, everyone will howl and go reconcile .. True, the Londoners during the Second World War showed miracles of endurance, but they understood that the enemy was behind the strait ..
    1. Massik
      Massik 18 June 2018 20: 41
      +1
      Quote: Signaller
      Psychology, friends-PSYCHOLOGY
      Heh, well, imagine that of all those whom you now know, only you will survive ... Do you suffer such losses?
      People now are not of the same grade as in 41m, not at all the same. It is enough to look at the army, at the majors who, due to 2-3 thousand flee, are suing at a salary of 69.
      How much will now go to certain death for their country? Then they walked, yes, but now?
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  45. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 18 June 2018 20: 29
    +1
    And in the end, the author suffered .. Fighting platforms, robots ... 10 R-36M2 missiles will be enough to destroy all of the United States. From the word completely and forever. What is the transfer of production? With what recession did the author calculate the loss of energy capacity in the USA at 5%? Massive nuclear strikes will cause destruction and fires. America and all will burn, because there is a high density of buildings. Computers and all electronics will be destroyed by EMI .. Chaos will be there .. They will panic when flooding, and then there’s war ... And we still have Yars and Poplars .. And also the R-100UTTH are on the database ...
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 18 June 2018 22: 51
      0
      Quote: Dzafdet
      And in the end, the author suffered .. Fighting platforms, robots ... 10 R-36M2 missiles will be enough to destroy all of the United States. From the word completely and forever. What is the transfer of production? With what recession did the author calculate the loss of energy capacity in the USA at 5%? Massive nuclear strikes will cause destruction and fires. America and all will burn, because there is a high density of buildings. Computers and all electronics will be destroyed by EMI .. Chaos will be there .. They will panic when flooding, and then there’s war ... And we still have Yars and Poplars .. And also the R-100UTTH are on the database ...

      And then Ostap suffered)) he laughed from combat robots, etc.
  46. zav
    zav 18 June 2018 20: 33
    0
    If we assume that we will have fun, we can write about anything. But if you think about what the wars are for, you clearly begin to understand that after the exchange of nuclear strikes, the occupation of the opposing side will recede into the background or even into the distant future. Even if one of the parties cheerfully raises his hands.
    Boswash (Boston – Washington band) and California in America, all of Central and Western Europe, are potential victims of unacceptable retaliation. Russia can easily equalize its population with the number of aggressors. Then what will he - the aggressor - occupy? And for what? Because of the resources? But for the surviving population, the available resources should be enough. And the work will generally be above the roof. After all, wars are being waged to reduce the number of mouths for which there is not enough food, drink, iPhones and everything else. As soon as the cleansing has taken place and the world begins to come to its senses, they will gather a worldwide council at which they will take the vow: "Never again!". But then again they will take up “development." Who will redefine whom. And then again the war. And so in a circle.
  47. Operator
    Operator 18 June 2018 21: 27
    +2
    As always, God's gift (nuclear weapon) is confused with fried eggs (one of the factors of this weapon is the shock wave). Damn, have you already canceled the radioactive contamination of the area from ground nuclear explosions? Or global consequences of the detonation of nuclear reactors at nuclear power plants?

    In any case, the United States, following the results of the conflict with Russia, will cease to exist not only as a superpower, but also as a state itself, disintegrating into dozens, if not hundreds, of small quasi-states. And not one of the countries not affected by the nuclear conflict will fit in with the USA’s radioactive desert, despite previous technologies, signed agreements, etc. etc. On the contrary, everyone will rush to share the former spheres of American influence.

    And in this regard, it’s a fig of Russia to create an ocean fleet to land the occupying forces on the North American continent - in order to guarantee that these forces are irradiated with radiation? It is much wiser to occupy the nearby Arabian Peninsula, clean from radiation, with its oil and gas resources, transport the Russians there and heal happily.
  48. wehr
    18 June 2018 22: 11
    +1
    Quote: Dzafdet
    10 R-36M2 missiles will be enough to destroy all of the United States. From the word completely and forever. What is the transfer of production?


    Prove it.
  49. sleeve
    sleeve 18 June 2018 23: 37
    0
    What a powerful thing is empirical reasoning. In the author about the power system. Rather, its defeat, and even with a percentage of 10-15 well, or 5-10. And according to the old Russian tradition, we immediately demolish half. Well, citizens are experts, well, it’s necessary to do something more seriously. What kind of a new trend is the analyst pushing such a serious thing as the efficiency of a nuclear strike into a small article to push the "opinion of the British honored expert" on the same line as paper-wooden Tokyo and stone Dresden. And you can shoot a standing passenger train from a six-inch one and compare the losses. Here you can slowly reduce to one position a tactical charge of 0,5 kT and a volley of rifle company "mosinok". I propose to the author to learn the history of economic geography. As the study comes, the conclusion will come about the natural autonomy of economic regions in the country for natural reasons. And the UES of Russia is more like a structure of interconnected vessels, rather than a single energy bath, built for the convenience of defeating the production potential. And of course, I would like to observe the supply and deployment of NATO contingents at the indicated bridgeheads in conditions of mass use of missile weapons at ranges of 2,5-4 thousand km. A terrible thing. But what am I talking about? He himself called for small opuses not to turn serious problems. So I won’t.
  50. NordOst16
    NordOst16 19 June 2018 01: 51
    +1
    Hmm ... I think I understand where the author is driving. That's just interesting to me, but how many nuclear warheads does the author consider sufficient to completely disable all industrial facilities of a potential enemy: 10 thousand, 20 or 80+?
    It is also probably worth supplying warheads, along with uranium, and cobalt tampers to inflict maximum damage on agricultural land and other food facilities of the enemy of the enemy.
    The creation of Ho Chi Minh’s paths, it seems to me, will not work out simply because the enemy can preventively infect suitable territories with cobalt bombs, and this will lead to the infection of large territories.
    I'm far from an expert, but about concrete barges with robots, like the robots themselves ... mmm ... they look doubtful and immediately the aircraft carrier crawls into my head from ice and sawdust because the Terminator level automation technique has not reached.
    And once again I would like to repeat that even limited strikes (based on the fact that we’ll fly 1000 on the snout (some will not take off, some will be shot down, etc.)) can seriously shake the economy for a large amount of time. For even a ground explosion of one warhead in a megalopolis will lead to panic, and since cities are the financial and technological centers of countries, a relatively small number of warheads can inflict large damage on the economies of the attacked countries. The destruction of factories results in scientific centers (of which there are always a limited number) leading to irreparable losses of qualified personnel, even with the necessary equipment and documentation, it is not always possible to resume production in an acceptable time frame. In addition, do not forget about radioactive contamination because it can take more lives in the longer term than the primary factors of a nuclear explosion.
    Well and one more thing, not only we are afraid in the world of nuclear weapons. It is not a fact that after such an attack, other countries will agree to massively deploy military production for the NATO bloc countries purely out of fear of getting a blow to their cities (and I think there are enough terrible shots), but it will most likely be delivered, because if everyone took it for weapons, then most likely all the "brakes" will be removed.
    The author may disagree with me, but it seems to me that even such a truncated nuclear potential of the Russian Federation can bring significant damage to the enemy and not the fact that he will escalate.
    PS
    About your idea of ​​mass production of ICBMs - I read it somewhere, by chance it was not suggested by some American general at the time of the deployment of the production of mine-throwers?