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Dangerous "five". What is armed Su-57

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Su-57 is a secret machine in many ways. No one will bring the exact characteristics and composition of weapons on a silver platter. Sukhoi’s official website has scant information about potentially high aircraft capabilities, such as good maneuverability, long-term supersonic cruising flight mode, measures to ensure low radar visibility, etc. “The aircraft has a wide range of weapons both in the air-to-air class and in the air-to-surface class, which provides the solution to fighter and attack tasks,” the resource notes. On the website of the manufacturer of the machine (KnAAZ) information and even less. It is almost none.



Su-57


You can, of course, recall the numerous statements of officials with lengthy formulations and frankly unrealistic deadlines for implementation. The price of such statements is well known to all. Recall, however, that at one time Boris Obnosov, Director General of the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation, stated that fourteen types of weapons were developed specifically for the Su-57, including air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles on the target, as well as adjustable bombs.

Say - one thing to do - more. Especially since the discharge of ammunition from the internal compartment (especially at supersonic speeds) requires long trials. It is much more difficult than integrating a bomb or a rocket into external holders.

Surprisingly, some quite respected experts and publications, talking about the Su-57, cite highly speculative characteristics of the machine taken from Wikipedia. From all there listed with confidence it is possible to judge several things. First, a production aircraft based on the T-50 is likely to have both internal and external holders. With an emphasis, naturally, on the first option, because in the second case it will be possible to put an end to stealth. Second, and more importantly, the aircraft will receive four internal compartments:

- two side (BGrO). Here, short-range air-to-air missiles will be placed;
- two main (OGRO). They will have medium-range air-to-air missiles and air-to-surface weapons.


All of these compartments can be seen on the prototype aircraft. Will something change on the serial version? Probably not. In any case, the number and general arrangement of the weapon compartments will remain the same. No wonder some experts proudly call the aircraft "an early pre-production sample." Indeed, it has already outgrown the stage of the early prototype, and will not change conceptually. About the installation of engines of the second stage instead of the usual AL-41F1 we are not talking now: this is a topic for a separate discussion.

Point one. Concept

By the way, about the concept. There is a misconception that it is impossible to compare the Su-57, F-22 and F-35. Like, different cars. And the default domestic fighter is much more multi-purpose. There is some truth in this, but you should not take this thought literally. Perhaps the aircraft will be such in the future, but now we do not know all its capabilities. It is worth saying that “Raptor” and “Lighting”, contrary to popular opinion, have quite wide opportunities for hitting ground targets. Although several lose on the aggregate potential of the same F-15E (if we assume that the enemy does not have modern anti-aircraft missile systems and detection tools).

We will analyze in more detail. The F-22 fighter, in addition to two 450-kg GBU-32 JDAM bombs, can work on the ground with the help of miniature munitions GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb with a range of more than 100 kilometers. In total, eight units can be placed in the internal compartments. In turn, modifications of the “Lightning” for marines and fleet - F-35B and F-35C - should in the foreseeable future receive even more advanced GBU-53 / B. This is the next generation of Small Diameter Bomb, which in theory will be able to hit ground targets very effectively using an infrared homing head.


Reset GBU-39


Due to the low price and small size of Small Diameter Bomb, many experts consider the most promising aviation strike weapons. In other words, we can say that the fifth-generation American fighters and the Su-57 will not differ conceptually. Ideally, each of them should be a multi-purpose machine, capable of effectively combating both air and ground targets.

Point two. Air-to-air missiles

There are two misconceptions that can not be invested in a single paragraph. Some believe that the aircraft will not be able to carry weapons inside, and the compartments exist only "for window dressing." It makes no sense to criticize this lack of professionalism. There are shots of the Ministry of Defense, in which the Su-57 launches a rocket from the OGPO. There is also information from reliable sources about earlier missile launches during testing (it is impossible, however, to check them).

Another thesis is perhaps more interesting. A number of experts are trying to "shove" into the main compartments of six, and sometimes eight medium-range missiles. Meanwhile, the estimated dimensions of the HGRO in the amount of the known dimensions of the missile weapons suggest that in the main compartments the aircraft can carry up to Four medium-range air-to-air missiles.

During tests on external holders of T-50, products of the RVV-AE family (or models of this rocket) were noticed. Probably, they, and to be more precise their modifications, the 180 product and the 180-DB product will become the basis of the fighter’s armament. In each of the two side compartments, most likely, one RVV-MD short-range missile will be placed. Thus, the entire air-to-air missile is probably will be six. And it will be short-range and medium-range missiles.


RVV-AE


Integration into a complex of ultra-long-range missiles, such as the P-37M or semi-mythical KS-172, looks more foggy. It seems generally doubtful that the functions of the MiG-31 will be completely shifted onto the shoulders of the 57. These are machines of different classes after all. It is not known how many such ultra-long-range missiles will be placed in the internal compartments of the Su-57.

Point three. Work on ground targets

As we have already noted, the Su-57 was never created as an uncompromising air fighter. And recently, the media said that the aircraft will be able to use the newest Drel bomb, which is capable of planning 30 kilometers and destroying targets with self-targeting combat elements. The mass of the planning bomb cassette in the equipment of self-targeting combat elements is 500 kilograms. Recall that the homing elements in the composition of aviation ammunition have previously used both the United States and the Russian Federation.

On tests on the T-50 could be seen on the external holders of the X-31 family of rocket. There are anti-ship (X-31А) and anti-radar (X-31П) missile variants. Earlier, the Defense Ministry said that the missiles are going to be installed both on external holders and in internal compartments. For all its merits, a rocket looks too big for such an aircraft. This is not surprising, considering that it was developed in the USSR. It is quite obvious that the fifth generation fighter needs not so big ammunition. Otherwise, either a) the stealthiness is lost (when using external holders); or b) the strike potential of the aircraft will be limited (due to the limited space in the internal compartments).


Su-57 with X-31


Most intriguing in this regard news there was information about the launch of promising multipurpose low-profile cruise missiles of operational and tactical purposes X-59MK2 from the internal compartments of the aircraft. The Russian Defense Ministry even presented a spectacular video about this. Contrary to the name, the X-59MK2 has little in common with the Soviet X-59 "Gadfly." The new rocket is an analogue of the new American AGM-158 JASSM. It has an inertial guidance system, integrated with an optical-electronic homing head and GPS / GLONASS systems. Estimated range - 500 kilometers. In other words, Su-57 will not have to enter the zone of attack of the enemy anti-aircraft missile systems.


Su-57 launches X-59MK2


In general, an inconspicuous aircraft equipped with a long-range inconspicuous missile is a powerful argument in any "dispute". Some even suggested equipping a nuclear warhead missile in the appendage to the cluster and penetrating warhead. On the other hand, until Russia has an analogue of relatively cheap JDAM and SBD bombs, talk about mass weapons air-to-surface class is difficult. The cost of missiles such as the X-31 and especially the X-59MK2, by default, is quite high.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 18 June 2018 05: 48
    +3
    Planned long-range bombs have an obvious flaw ... The fence holds it ... It cannot make a slide ...
    1. Do not care
      Do not care 18 June 2018 06: 10
      +8
      Quote: Vard
      Planned long-range bombs have an obvious flaw ... The fence holds it ... It cannot make a slide ...


      Somehow not very holding:

      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 18 June 2018 06: 46
        +4
        The planning bomb has a predictable trajectory, especially until the stage of correction over the target. "Fence" is air defense
      2. Vard
        Vard 18 June 2018 07: 36
        +3
        There is no fence in the photo ...
  2. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 18 June 2018 07: 04
    +11
    As for the X-59MK2 infa on the Internet, it’s quite “controversial” ... if you “summarize” it, you get the following picture: 1. In case of delivery of the X-59МК2 “abroad”, the “range” of export samples will be 300 km; 2 . for domestic use, 500 km (in some sources, 400 km) ... in one article it was said that the X-59МК2 laid the possibility of increasing the range to 1000 km.
    When "coughing up" the performance characteristics of missiles intended (as if or really ...) for the Su-57, it can be noted that the length of such missiles does not exceed 4,2 m. Therefore, all missiles of this length can be considered as "candidates" for arming Su -57 ... In the same row as the X-59МК2, there are the X-58USHKE PR-missile and the X-38МЭ tactical RPM in various modifications ... X-35UE anti-ship missiles, in principle, can be used with the Su-57 external suspension ...; and after some refinement, and in the inner compartment ... (the length allows ...) So already at present, the Su-57 can be "armed to the teeth"!
  3. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 18 June 2018 07: 57
    +5
    And where did you get the idea that small bombs are cheap? With optics, GPS, gyroscope and with minimal deviation from the target? There, due to increased accuracy, the explosive mass and diameter were reduced to increase the ammunition load.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 18 June 2018 08: 28
      +1
      Well, "to fit."
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 20 June 2018 11: 34
        0
        Recent western designs with a very sophisticated and expensive GOS.
  4. EvilLion
    EvilLion 18 June 2018 08: 48
    +5
    In practice, apparently, they will come to the obvious decision that the stealth and performance characteristics of one aircraft are not critical on the scale of a large system capable of suppressing enemy air defense, after which not only Su-34, but the good old Su will successfully cope with the task of bombing -25.

    Similarly, in the 1945th T-34-85 it was difficult to call a survivable tank, but the system did its job, clearing the road in front of it, and the presence of the tank in general could save more manpower than some reduction in the loss of the tanks themselves due to the increase in their technical characteristics appreciation and loss of time for the introduction of new models.

    If the United States went in this direction along the path of unification within the framework of a single aircraft with mediocre performance characteristics, then, apparently, we will have the opposite, the collapse of aviation into 2 units: an expensive elite fighter and cheap strike. The first clears the way for the second in the big war and is responsible for air defense, the second will bomb regularly, especially since small wars are many times more likely than large ones and there are a lot of countries to which fighter squadrons will do nothing, but dozens of simple strike machines are very useful . An argument in favor of this is the presence of over 200 Su-34 and Su-30СМ, the first are already bombers, the second, apparently, will move into this class when their LTH cease to satisfy fighter aircraft. And these machines will be in service until the 2050-th for sure.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 18 June 2018 10: 05
      +7
      In the next decade, I guess, will happen.
      a revolution in the weapons of fighters. And in air battles, respectively.
      Fighters will receive a "local missile defense" - short-range explosive missiles,
      capable of destroying the enemy’s explosive rockets (and SAM, too) in a collision course.
      Today, there are passive traps for enemy missiles and begin to introduce lasers to deflect enemy missiles. Or do missile defense maneuver. It will become possible to simply shoot back.
      1. MPN
        MPN 18 June 2018 13: 08
        +9
        Quote: voyaka uh
        capable of destroying the enemy’s explosive rockets (and SAM, too) in a collision course.

        And attack systems (explosive and anti-aircraft missiles)) will acquire false targets and active or passive interference and lasers to deflect enemy missiles ... smile Standard level of opposition ...
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 18 June 2018 16: 14
          +3
          "And attack systems (explosive and anti-aircraft missiles)) will acquire false targets" ///
          ----
          It will be, but it will greatly increase their cost. SAM and so - a very expensive thing. Even without
          modern GOS, only managed by the radar of the complex.
          And long-range explosive missiles are also very expensive.
          And missile defense missiles can afford to be 1) small and 2) subsonic.
          A counter strike on missiles (or long-range explosives) at a small (several hundred meters) distance from their aircraft. Such a mini missile defense will be relatively cheap. 3/4 of its value will be electronics.
          1. MPN
            MPN 18 June 2018 16: 17
            +7
            Quote: voyaka uh
            It will be, but it will greatly increase their cost. SAM and so - a very expensive thing.

            Alexei, well, first of all, I brought an alternative to development, just like you. And here your arguments. But doesn’t a plane cost more about an airplane?
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 18 June 2018 16: 26
              +4
              We have a common discussion without “winners” in the dispute ... drinks
              The plane is already worth about $ 100 million.
              It is a universal reusable device, so it is wise to invest money in its protection.
              The short-range missiles that fighters are already equipped with
              receive additional missile defense features. They used to be
              shoot at the enemy’s aircraft, and only dodge their missiles.
              But just about it will be possible to directly shoot at the attacking missiles.
              Missiles - huge (first stage) expensive and disposable. In our case, defense is cheaper than means of attacking an airplane.
              1. MPN
                MPN 18 June 2018 16: 29
                +8
                Quote: voyaka uh
                We have a common discussion without “winners” in the dispute ...

                drinks According to this, why launch an expensive missile for slaughter? It’s better for her to add antipro and still not bring down an expensive aircraft?
          2. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 21 June 2018 09: 26
            +1
            And missiles can easily be turned into a carrier of three to five actuators with low B / h and high maneuverability for resetting in front of the target. Then, a swarm from different directions will attack the target and no active defense will help. The story of the shield and sword continues
      2. 123456789
        123456789 18 June 2018 15: 27
        +1
        According to information provided by the Chinese network edition East Day, on June 11, 2018, Russian Su-57 fighters, taking off from the Russian military air base Khmeimim, intercepted the Israeli F-35I Adir fighter, which was extremely close to the Syrian border from Lebanon . This was previously reported by Avia.pro portal, but today there was information that it was the first air interception that occurred between Russian fifth-generation fighters and F-35 fighters.

        Read more at: http://avia.pro/news/rossiyskie-su-57-perehvatili
        -izrailskiy-f-35
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 18 June 2018 16: 17
          +1
          "June 11, 2018 Russian Su-57 fighters" ///

          But didn’t they return to Russia after a short
          stay in Syria?
      3. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 19 June 2018 01: 37
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        In the next decade, I guess, will happen.
        a revolution in the weapons of fighters. And in air battles, respectively.
        Fighters will receive a "local missile defense" - short-range explosive missiles,
        capable of destroying the enemy’s explosive rockets (and SAM, too) in a collision course.
        Today, there are passive traps for enemy missiles and begin to introduce lasers to deflect enemy missiles. Or do missile defense maneuver. It will become possible to simply shoot back.

        It is strange that such rockets have not yet been created. It seems harder than it sounds
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 20 June 2018 09: 31
          +1
          Quote: Grazdanin

          It is strange that such rockets have not yet been created. It seems harder than it sounds


          Yes, it is a difficult task.
          But the enemy Reiteon and LM are doing it precisely on an initiative basis.
          Just for the future.
          CUDA and SACM projects have not been closed.
    2. Aleksandro
      Aleksandro 18 June 2018 13: 23
      +2
      A century ago, half-plywood, half-rag shelves hovered in the sky at a speed of 60 km / h at an altitude of several hundred meters, the pilots of which fired at each other from the guns and tossed something like nails out of the boxes to defeat manpower. I am afraid that in our age of electronics and nanotechnology, aviation may not be able to reach the 50s, and it will be replaced by something else that does not resemble either the Su, MiG, or F. In any case, pilots will definitely not be there. unless the operators sitting for hundreds and thousands of miles. (unless, of course, machine intelligence cannot completely displace human)
  5. Pavil144
    Pavil144 18 June 2018 09: 51
    +2
    I am not an expert, but it seems to me that there are other planes that are more suitable for bombing: Su 24, Su 34 and Su 57 as an aircraft supporting and suppressing enemy aircraft.
    1. ZVO
      ZVO 18 June 2018 10: 26
      +4
      Quote: Pavil144
      I am not an expert, but it seems to me that there are other planes that are more suitable for bombing: Su 24, Su 34 and Su 57 as an aircraft supporting and suppressing enemy aircraft.


      In order for the Su-24/34 to function normally, someone must suppress (destroy) the enemy ground-based air defense.
      To suppress enemy air defense, the use of hundreds and thousands of missiles is considered habitual.
      But, here the time lag is very influential, especially for old CDs that do not have a retargeting and barrage function.
      Therefore, they plan to use stealth aircraft for real operational work. Just.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 18 June 2018 11: 51
        +3
        Air defense chokes tactics in the first place.
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 18 June 2018 15: 25
          +1
          Quote: EvilLion
          Air defense chokes tactics in the first place.


          But here hundreds of Tomahawks in Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia - were just the first to suppress air defense.
          And the tactics, coupled with the "Wild Caresses" - just cleaned up ...
      2. Left shot
        Left shot 2 July 2018 06: 39
        0
        To suppress enemy air defense, the use of hundreds and thousands of missiles is considered habitual.


        Just do not need American vyser against Iraq with the dumping of rusty iron considered "familiar" and correct.
        Using KR against air defense is the worst
    2. Chicha squad
      Chicha squad 18 June 2018 11: 52
      0
      Well, the plane is multi-functional.
    3. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 20 June 2018 11: 36
      0
      5 generations are doing so that both the fighter and the interceptor and the scout are in one bottle ..
  6. KCA
    KCA 18 June 2018 11: 02
    +2
    The X-31s were most likely hung up for testing the SLA, the ICB Raduga still has time to develop a new missile specifically for the SU-57, and not cross the donkey with the giraffe
  7. astankard
    astankard 18 June 2018 11: 32
    +2
    You can arm ... Russian pensions ... Truly weapons of mass destruction.)))
    However, in life they will soon be banned.
  8. Chicha squad
    Chicha squad 18 June 2018 11: 57
    +1
    But what about the FAB?

    And the drill promised on him
  9. Black sniper
    Black sniper 18 June 2018 12: 47
    +2
    Quote: Zaurbek
    And where did you get the idea that small bombs are cheap? With optics, GPS, gyroscope and with minimal deviation from the target? There, due to increased accuracy, the explosive mass and diameter were reduced to increase the ammunition load.

    It would be logical, smaller caliber, less and price.
  10. Black sniper
    Black sniper 18 June 2018 12: 58
    +2
    Quote: Pavil144
    I am not an expert, but it seems to me that there are other planes that are more suitable for bombing: Su 24, Su 34 and Su 57 as an aircraft supporting and suppressing enemy aircraft.

    I completely agree, everyone should be engaged in "their own" business, and to "sculpt" a super-duper will grind everything that "knows" is silly and unreal!
  11. dumkopff
    dumkopff 18 June 2018 14: 12
    +1
    In my opinion, a very beautiful car turned out. Significantly more elegant than a raptor or a second lightning.
  12. wow
    wow 24 June 2018 18: 06
    +1
    Do not try to "delve" into the prospects. I served in the USSR Air Force for many years, and I didn’t fully know the combat capabilities of my aircraft. There is such a concept - a "special period", and then the task is posed and brought up by the possibilities of the means used.
  13. seacap
    seacap 24 June 2018 18: 10
    +1
    While they will be accepted into service, while they will form at least one squadron, while they will master the weapons to an acceptable level, it will be time to write off obsolete equipment, both tactics and concept will change. The century of aircraft technology is not long and operational life is fleeting on modern requirements. All have long been working on 6-ke.