Russia sensationally threw off about half of its investments in American debt

The US Treasury Department has published data on the volume of investments of foreign countries in US debt. The site contains tablewhich draws special attention to itself in connection with the dynamics of Russia's investments in the US aggregate debt. If you believe the report of the American department, then in only one of April of this year, Russia "threw off" about half of the securities of the American treasury.

Statistics on Russian investments in US debts is as follows: in March 2018, the volume of investments amounted to 96,1 billion dollars, and in April decreased to 48,7 billion.

This is the largest one-time waiver of US debt in the world.

If you pay attention to the indicators of other countries-holders of the US debt, the top three remained unchanged, although they also totally refused large amounts of investments in American debt. Three "leaders": China - 1,181 trillion dollars, Japan - 1,031 trillion dollars, Ireland - 300,4 billion. In April, these three countries refused to invest in US debts in the amount of 35,6 billion dollars.

However, this changed little of the general situation, since others decided to invest more substantially in American debt. So, Saudi Arabia invested an additional about 8,7 billion, Germany - almost 10 billion, Brazil - about 8 billion (by the way, this country is the fourth holder of US debt - 294,1 billion), Belgium - more than 12 billion, Cayman Islands - 15 billion dollars.

Recall that last year the level of Russian investments in US debt securities amounted to more than 100 billion dollars.

Comments

[sagitch]

Probably ... this is good news. But somehow it is not up to her, the pension issue is more disturbing.

[210ox]

You rightly noticed .. Somehow your own shirt is closer to the body ...

Quote: sagitch

Probably ... this is good news. But somehow it is not up to her, the pension issue is more disturbing.

[sagitch]

So, Rulers with one stroke of a pen crossed out plans of millions of citizens of pre-retirement age. If half a year of addition for a year of work. You can still painful, but survive. Yes, and they offended women, just eight!
The petition is already somewhere on the Internet. Let’s try to reach the rulers in a civilized manner.

[210ox]

My year-1963 will probably be the first to be touched by -65 years old .. And as for the petition, maybe it's empty, or maybe not. Maybe GDP will still play the "good king" ... Although it is unlikely .. They are on another planet .

Quote: sagitch

So, Rulers with one stroke of a pen crossed out plans of millions of citizens of pre-retirement age. If half a year of addition for a year of work. You can still painful, but survive. Yes, and they offended women, just eight!
The petition is already somewhere on the Internet. Let’s try to reach the rulers in a civilized manner.

[sagitch]

My 65, but I'm in the North, was waiting through 2,5. Conceived the move, and another 5 years of the North! Tired of the sun is not visible, dullness, rain, worse than in foggy Albion!

[bulvas]

[AUL]

Must do for bulvas retirement, as in Japan - at 70, so that he calms down. And better - at 82!

[bulvas]

Quote from AUL

Must do for bulvas retirement, as in Japan - at 70, so that he calms down. And better - at 82!

don't worry, I'm not going to retire, although it's time to be there

Incidentally, for many years I have been paying the FIU and MHIF regularly and steadily.
And pay taxes during

It’s better to look around, do everyone get a white salary, and not in envelopes?
Accustomed officials to blame (not defending)
But didn’t you forget to look at yourself?

Everyone who receives a “gray” salary is a thief, no better than a treasury official
Together they steal much more and shout about injustice in a chorus much louder

There would be no gray salaries - would not have to raise the retirement age

[hrych]

For salaries in envelopes - the term, with confiscation, for non-payment of taxes for the delivery of housing - the term, with confiscation of the dwelling. And to be honest, generally prohibit the rental of housing, only municipalities, etc. allow. In a moment, the real estate situation is stabilizing, it will become unprofitable to maintain unnecessary housing. The innovative industry reduces jobs, etc. Deal with migrant workers, or rather those who hire them and prevent the formation of a normal labor market and create the absence of normal deductions from it. We must start from this, and not at the expense of our citizens, plug holes. Again, the calculation of the patience of the Russian people. If the Supreme does not intervene and does not drive Mitka from the prime ministers, external merits mean nothing when the society is blown up from the inside. There was such a minister of agriculture, Tkachev, he achieved food safety at his post, agricultural exports of the Russian Federation bypassed defense exports, and we are in second place, after the United States, and hold more than a quarter of the world. And this man did not find a place in the Mitkin government. In short, treason, we were betrayed

[bulvas]

Quote: hrych

Again, the calculation of the patience of the Russian people.

So the people just do that bay on sites or for beer
Why are there elections, courts and other elements of democracy?

Press on the deputy, sue the official

It’s not easy, but it won’t be any different; no one will simply give up their privileges

The official should hold on to his place, not be afraid of the boss, but of the citizens.
So bring him over, he himself will never yield

How to vote, so
- ah, all this garbage, anyway ....

My wife with pension has problems - salary sheets are lost, there are specific people responsible for this, I say - sue, let them shock
- no, I don't want to mess with

Between ourselves we all grumble much, as it comes to business - in the bushes

[hrych]

Quote: bulvas

So the people are only doing what bays on sites or for beer. Why are there elections, courts and other elements of democracy? Press on the deputy, sue the official

All right. There is such a procedure - recall of a deputy on the loss of voters' confidence. All edrosov and liberoids voting for Mitkina nastiness to withdraw from the Duma and regional councils immediately. To gather initiative groups of voters, etc. And they noticed that they were dragging it under the guise of the World Cup. Drive edrosov in the neck. September 9 - a single voting day in the district and district councils. Be active, be kind, do not let edros pass. This is a call for legal procedures.

[Shurik70]

What does a pension have to do with an article on investing in American debt?
Russia is getting rid of American papers, and that’s good.
But China invested $ 90 billion (or 7,5% of its securities) over the year. The strategy of China is not clear.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: bulvas

Quote from AUL

Must do for bulvas retirement, as in Japan - at 70, so that he calms down. And better - at 82!

don't worry, I'm not going to retire, although it's time to be there

Incidentally, for many years I have been paying the FIU and MHIF regularly and steadily.
And pay taxes during

It’s better to look around, do everyone get a white salary, and not in envelopes?
Accustomed officials to blame (not defending)
But didn’t you forget to look at yourself?

Everyone who receives a “gray” salary is a thief, no better than a treasury official
Together they steal much more and shout about injustice in a chorus much louder

There would be no gray salaries - would not have to raise the retirement age

Yes, of course, nurses and nurses, librarians, kindergarten educators and other state employees receive without fail in envelopes. Bundles in bank packaging. How else? The fact that they are paid for a month is not enough for a decent bureaucrat for one day.
Would you like to work a month on such a post in order to find out how much they “bring in envelopes”?

[bulvas]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

Would you like to work a month on such a post in order to find out how much they “bring in envelopes”?

Actually, I’ve been studying all my life to go about my business and not look for a place “just to take”

Would you like to sit over technical documentation in a foreign language?

Although in hard work had to work hard.
And at the construction site and cleaner
and in the workshop (on the test bench of RD, in chemical protection, in an oxidizer cloud) - how do you like it?

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: bulvas

Quote: Captain Pushkin

Would you like to work a month on such a post in order to find out how much they “bring in envelopes”?

Actually, I’ve been studying all my life to go about my business and not look for a place “just to take”
Would you like to sit over technical documentation in a foreign language?
Although in hard work had to work hard.
And at the construction site and cleaner
and in the workshop (on the test bench of RD, in chemical protection, in an oxidizer cloud) - how do you like it?

Eco poked you. Translated some kind of instruction from foreign into Russian with a dictionary, and then immediately turned out to be an auxiliary worker at a construction site? And then he ended up in chemical protection in a chamber with an aggressive environment? That's right, you don’t know how to work with your head or hands - the very thing is to serve science as an experimental rabbit.
And they bring a lot in envelopes for this?
PS By the way, without junior medical staff, grassroots cultural workers, kindergarten teachers and elementary school teachers, too, can not do. And they, in order to work their work, also had to study. And they are people too and have every right to a decent life.

[Sirocco]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

kindergarten teachers and other state employees will certainly get in envelopes.

Are you pretending, or not in the subject? Bulvas says the thing and that many people know and are silent about, I worked for 10 years in a private company and for 10 years I received an envelope, I know that now it’s the same there, only they adjusted it to fresh minimum wage))) And this trend is in all Private Enterprises and IP, who goes to zero for tax, who shows a penny. And it suits everyone, the tax service in the first place, why? Everyone lies and deceives godlessly, and our drivers have one bad habit, they take all the bad ones from the West, but the good one is a strict punishment for tax evasion in the West, for some reason they bypass it, why it is interesting. And so, in principle, you can understand, he will keep silent, endure the people as always, but you can’t touch the business, this is a holy Cow, which for some reason is milked on a strange farm. )))))

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Sirocco

Quote: Captain Pushkin

kindergarten teachers and other state employees will certainly get in envelopes.

Are you pretending, or not in the subject? Bulvas says the thing and that many people know and are silent about, I worked for 10 years in a private company and for 10 years I received an envelope, I know that now it’s the same there, only they adjusted it to fresh minimum wage))) And this trend is in all Private Enterprises and IP, who goes to zero for tax, who shows a penny. And it suits everyone, the tax service in the first place, why? Everyone lies and deceives godlessly, and our drivers have one bad habit, they take all the bad ones from the West, but the good one is a strict punishment for tax evasion in the West, for some reason they bypass it, why it is interesting. And so, in principle, you can understand, he will keep silent, endure the people as always, but you can’t touch the business, this is a holy Cow, which for some reason is milked on a strange farm. )))))

To pay taxes, it is necessary to legally establish the real minimum hourly wage. This is the level at which a person can live, and not vegetate in poverty and hunger. This is about a significant mass of pensioners and state employees. By the way, for the real economy this is only a plus - low salaries can ruin any economy.
Where to get the money? First, return the business from offshore, not only with spells, but with specific economic measures. One of the tools - in Estonia 21% tax is taken from each transfer to offshore, why can’t we take the same from us?
Offshore companies do not disclose the ultimate owners - conclude an agreement on the disclosure of ultimate owners, otherwise, take all taxes from the residents of this offshore as from residents of the Russian Federation. Etc.
At the same time, it is possible and necessary to seriously reduce taxes in the Russian Federation, otherwise we will plunge into the swamp and continue to poverty.

[New Year day]

Quote: bulvas

Does everyone receive a white salary, but not in envelopes?

budget sphere, everyone gets it as it should. Envelopes are where the business is.

Quote: bulvas

There would be no gray salaries - would not have to raise the retirement age

here you have the cards in hand, you are a businessman

[bulvas]

Quote: Silvestr

here you have the cards in hand, you are a businessman

Wrong conclusion, again a lie

Sylvester, your curators are businessmen, the whole world has shod

Yes, and at the very earning is not sugar - how do you have to spin, huh?
- like a substance in a pan

[New Year day]

Quote: bulvas

Sylvester, your curators are businessmen, the whole world has shod

since 1983 BUDGETNIK. I’m sitting on the neck of the state, selling my hands to him. And nothing extraneous.

Quote: bulvas

how to spin,

do not spin, you will not live.
You glorified the business, offered dissatisfied enterprises to create their own hands, but it turns out you are not a businessman! So, do you offer everyone what you yourself are not doing?

[AID.S]

Quote: bulvas

There would be no gray salaries - would not have to raise the retirement age

Gray salaries are the result of state economic policy, and not the fault of wage earners. I am sure that most of them do not fatten.

[Fedoslov]

You, truth-seeker, continue to pay taxes and fees. Maintain the power of thieves. She will throw you later - sick, old and without money.
And we don’t give a damn about this power. Not a penny to them, not a penny. Indirect taxes are included in all goods (VAT), excise taxes account for most of the price of fuel. And yet they pay direct taxes and fees? Keep up the good work.

[bulvas]

Quote: Fedoslov

You, truth-seeker, continue to pay taxes and fees. Maintain the power of thieves. She will throw you later - sick, old and without money.
And we don’t give a damn about this power. Not a penny to them, not a penny. Indirect taxes are included in all goods (VAT), excise taxes account for most of the price of fuel. And yet they pay direct taxes and fees? Keep up the good work.

And you don’t teach me what to support and to whom to pay.

I take care of myself and my family and don’t whine that someone threw me or didn’t finish the allowance, but pay taxes to ensure that there is order and safety in the country first of all.

And you are proud to reduce the costs of the employer (who quietly laughs at you and calls you a ram) and at the same time he is ready to sacrifice his future pension

So who do you give a damn about?
To power?
- you don’t give a damn about yourself and about your children, I’m ready to humiliate and ask, if only they would take a job and pay a pretty penny

[Fedoslov]

You are a useful person. Only then will you run around and shout: “Excuse me, because I have paid taxes all my life, why is the pension so small? Are the drugs so expensive?” Passed already. The USSR fell apart - they did not give a damn about the people, each for himself. And this regime will collapse, and they don’t care at all about the people.
What future pension? I am 30 years old. It is necessary to feed the family, help friends. What makes you think that this state of cheaters will pay me a pension in 35 years? I would rather believe that heaven will fall to earth.
Do you pay taxes? To health. On the wall hang the letter "For the Saving of Rotenberg." And I’ll give this money better to those in need.

[kakvastam]

And pay taxes during

What time?

Everyone who receives a “gray” salary is a thief, no better than a treasury official

Unfortunately, people have no choice between “gray” and “white” salaries - there is only a choice between work and its absence. And the main beneficiary of envelope schemes is not the employee who squeezes his thirteen percent, but the employer - he saves almost thirty. So not there you are looking for villains. I don’t know a single person who would prefer a “gray” salary - without the opportunity to take a loan, without pension contributions - if he had a choice.

[bulvas]

Quote: kakvastam

Unfortunately, people have no choice between “gray” and “white” salaries - there is only a choice between work and its absence.

As one character said:
- there is always a choice, but there are unpleasant decisions

And there is no need to make excuses; workers, agreeing, act to the benefit of the employer, allowing him to use inefficient cheap labor, instead of increasing labor productivity.

We quickly passed through socialism and forgot about trade unions and the economic struggle.

No need to be a sheep - entrepreneurs will not go anywhere, without workers they cannot.

There is another way - to improve skills

We forgot how our parents studied in evening schools, technical schools,
managing to work and raise children?

So there is always a choice, do not drag your head into the ass.

I want to bleat like a ram - this is also a choice, on health

[kakvastam]

Demagogy is a wonderful thing.
Share, if not difficult, your own experience in an irreconcilable struggle against the arbitrariness of employers, light the hearts of orphans and wretched with your example.
After all, you can recall sociology, with its elementary truths, such as the ability of a group to act in solidarity the higher, the higher the excess of resources at its disposal ...
And then, it turns out, such titans are around!

[prapor55]

Have you tried to honestly register an IP with a staff of 10 people and pay everyone a salary and not die yourself?

[freddyk]

Quote: bulvas

It’s better to look around, do everyone get a white salary, and not in envelopes?

Well, this is probably a question for the employer rather

[bulvas]

Quote: freddyk

Quote: bulvas

It’s better to look around, do everyone get a white salary, and not in envelopes?

Well, this is probably a question for the employer rather

see my post above


Add:
- agree to handouts from the employer - no need to blame the mirror

[Leshy1975]

“By the way, for many years I have been paying the FIU and MHIF regularly and steadily
And pay taxes during

It’s better to look around, do everyone get a white salary, and not in envelopes?
Accustomed officials to blame (not defending)
but didn’t you forget to look at yourself? "

The theoretical businessman bulvas, sorry for the immodest question. Answer PLEASE, and you are the owner of what form of legal. persons or in the status of IP work? And the second immodest question, on which tax system?

[bulvas]

Quote: Leshy1975

Sorry for the immodest question.

and who are you to ask immodest questions?

When I was younger and not married, immodest questions asked the girls


As for taxes, it doesn't matter what your status is.
With any status, you can pay in good faith or not pay, in the end, you always choose yourself

If you work for hire - choose, receive in an envelope or on a card

[Leshy1975]

Yes, you are very strong in the theoretical part of business in the Russian Federation. You teach everyone how to conduct business. (sometimes even right). Well, since you are the owner of a legal entity. person or individual? I can, for the first time, since you feel shy, open up "secret information" - I’m the owner of the LLC (since 2013, and before that I had been an IP for 13 years).

Quote: bulvas

Quote: Leshy1975

Sorry for the immodest question.

and who are you to ask immodest questions?

When I was younger and not married, immodest questions asked the girls


As for taxes, it doesn't matter what your status is.
With any status, you can pay in good faith or not pay, in the end, you always choose yourself

If you work for hire - choose, receive in an envelope or on a card

[Leshy1975]

Theoretical businessman bulvas, I'm all modestly waiting for your answer, the owner of a legal entity. the person (or individual entrepreneur) you are on and what tax system you are working on. I’m trying, as you like, to hold an exclusively concrete and reasoned discussion with you.
(otherwise you will continue to poke general phrases into the sky).
Yes, I can see the fix.

[sdc_alex]

That’s the “goblin” to ask idiotic questions

Provokes a leshochk.

[Reklastik]

and who are you to ask immodest questions?

- oh, it started, just like Panikovsky!))))))

[twviewer]

Quote: bulvas

Everyone who receives a “gray” salary is a thief, no better than a treasury official
Together they steal much more and shout about injustice in a chorus much louder
There would be no gray salaries - would not have to raise the retirement age

this bad guy bent, the duty to pay the white salary was imputed to the employee, what else is there for the senior tomato for us - airfare ?!

[sir_obs]

There would be no gray salaries - would not have to raise the retirement age

Yeah. And if the payroll tax is comparable to the salary itself, what is the point of raising the salary of an employee officially? To go bankrupt faster? For a small salary, too, it seems like no one wants to work. So there is a part in the envelope so that everyone is happy and the business moves. Damn accustomed to boasting about the smallest income, yeah, and then after you pay all the taxes every time you think about it, it might be time to close the shop or figure out how to more or less legally circumvent all these obstacles.

[kiril-belo]

and we will suffer according to the logic of the government, those who regularly receive white salaries for many years

[Mih1974]

My cry from you (albeit sad tears) - very few people get into the "gray", the tax authorities took almost everyone for Faberge, I mean the citizens of Russia and stable firms or enterprises. In the gray zone there are only one-day sharazhki and a small part of businesses, and even then, many with increasing turnover and hiring more than 10-20 people are already trying to move to the white zone because they are no longer profitable to take risks.
On the other hand, the government takes THIRD dada from me, it’s one third of the salary because no one hides from the leaders that "there is a wage fund and legal payments are taken away from it, all sorts of social insurance including 33% to the pension fund." That is, if this money had not been taken away, I would have decided what to do next, save, drink or invest somewhere (buy shares). And now this money for at least 45 years of work the state takes away from me and it’s not known that I can get even a fraction in return, that is, I can live to 65 and especially how much I can live beyond 65. At the same time, many times the same Solovyov publicly said that the "slaves in the galleys" were deputies of the State Dura - they prescribed themselves retirement pensions more than once and not later then after 65

[Left shot]

The answer (cut) in the style of "and you hto such" - a classic

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote from AUL

Must do for bulvas retirement, as in Japan - at 70, so that he calms down. And better - at 82!

And why not at 86, that would have lived longer?

[bulvas]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

Quote from AUL

Must do for bulvas retirement, as in Japan - at 70, so that he calms down. And better - at 82!

And why not at 86, that would have lived longer?

Do if you can

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: bulvas

Quote: Captain Pushkin

Quote from AUL

Must do for bulvas retirement, as in Japan - at 70, so that he calms down. And better - at 82!

And why not at 86, that would have lived longer?

Do if you can

You will not believe - for people like you, if you could, you did it. Six months. But when you would howl like hungry yard dogs, you would have mercy.

[bulvas]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

You will not believe - for people like you, if you could, you did it. Six months. But when you would howl like hungry yard dogs, you would have mercy.

I believe you can’t

You just fantasize like a schoolboy who is not accepted into the company.

Why so excited?
It is difficult to accept a simple thought - they can move away a pension (they can, but nothing has been decided yet).

And explain a simple thing if you can:
- why, nobody wants to pay contributions to the pension fund, but they want to receive a pension?

When I said about white z.pl. (i.e. contributions to the FIU) everyone went wild and started yelling.

It turns out, freeloaders?

Why, some have to pay, while others do not, but they want to receive as well as those who pay?

[Left shot]

Another cut. Like most answers. Bot?

[AUL]

And why not at 86, that would have lived longer?

What are we, animals, or what? (C)

[bulvas]

Quote from AUL

And why not at 86, that would have lived longer?

What are we, animals, or what? (C)

No, you talkers and dreamers

[soul]

Only recently it was discussed with my wife - raising the retirement age leads to an increase in life expectancy. There are plenty of life examples: retired - a year later ...

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: alma

Only recently it was discussed with my wife - raising the retirement age leads to an increase in life expectancy. There are plenty of life examples: retired - a year later ...

That's right. Who wants to live longer, let him write a statement that he wants to retire at 65 (candidates for long-livers can leave at least 90), and the rest are still at 60 and 55.

[aybolyt678]

It makes sense...

[Andrey VOV]

Nordic will leave you do not worry

[Boris55]

Quote: 210ox

Maybe GDP will still play the "good king"

Why would he do this?
Why should he go against the will of the peoplewho voted for the EP party in the Duma elections, chaired by Medvedev, who never hid his desire to extend the retirement period? You don’t think that the EP, representing the Constitutional majority in the Duma, will vote for Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky or Mironov as prime minister?
Video two years ago:

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Boris55

Medvedev, who never hid his desire to extend the retirement period?

I correctly understood that Putin has nothing to do with it? Wow this Medvedev, I’ll save from him, even Putin can’t do anything

[Boris55]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I correctly understood that Putin has nothing to do with it?

Yes. You got it right. Putin cannot go against the desire of the people to work to the grave.

[New Year day]

Quote: Boris55

Putin cannot go against the desire of the people to work to the grave.

so all according to the numerous and insistent requests of the working people

[Boris55]

Quote: Silvestr

so all according to the numerous and insistent requests of the working people

Exactly. The vast majority of citizens at all election levels voted in favor of United Russia i.e. for her course, including on increasing the retirement age. Ah, and then no one told us this? So this is our problem, not Putin. We need to think with our head, and not with our ears, when we lower the ballot paper into the ballot box.

[New Year day]

76% of voters are satisfied. Interesting. how would they vote tomorrow?

Quote: Boris55

We need to think with our head, and not with our ears, when we lower the ballot paper into the ballot box.

[Boris55]

Quote: Silvestr

76% of voters are satisfied. Interesting. how would they vote tomorrow?

"Tomorrow" and find out. 9 September election of the governor of the Moscow region. So let's see who we will vote for once again - for the representative of EP and for what is on the poster, or for whom else.

[SV]

Quote: Silvestr

76% of voters are satisfied

76,7 or as much as 77%

"Rising prices, tariffs. Poverty ..."
- These are again questions to the liberal government.

"Boy, you chose all this!"
“Ah, isn't that so?” Soon the election - think again!

[Left shot]

There were no 76% who voted for. Surround yourself. 30% was for Yeltsinoid

[major147]

Quote: Boris55

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I correctly understood that Putin has nothing to do with it?

Yes. You got it right. Putin cannot go against the desire of the people to work to the grave.

Work!? Yes, after 45 years it will not work for normal work, young people are required. I am 59 years old, about 2 years without work. Firms do not even answer the sent resumes! A good military pension is a quarter.

[Boris55]

Quote: major147

A good military pension is a quarter.

Same. Nevertheless, EP thanks to all of us won.

[Ingvar_1970]

I am 48, when I try to change my job - a sufficient number of offers. Apparently the matter is in the profession and level.

[kakvastam]

If you do not see the difference between 48 and 59 - the level is definitely fantastic!

[Ingvar_1970]

It was written "after 45", read carefully dear!

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: kakvastam

6
Ingvar_1970 (Igor) Yesterday, 10:40 ↑
I am 48, when I try to change my job - a sufficient number of offers. Apparently the matter is in the profession and level.

Quote: kakvastam

kakvastam (Kakvas There) Yesterday, 12:04 ↑
If you do not see the difference between 48 and 59 - the level is definitely fantastic!

You can see for yourself - work for a couple of years as a minister or his deputy and they will take you to any company with open arms, at least 61 years old.

[sabakina]

Quote: major147

I am 59 years old, about 2 years without work. Firms do not even answer the sent resumes! A good military pension is a quarter.

It’s good for you, warriors, there’s no work and all right, a military pension for bread and butter is enough. And to us civilians what to do? stole-drank-in-jail. Romance?

[dvina71]

Quote: Boris55

Yes. You got it right. Putin cannot go against the desire of the people to work to the grave.

Nobody forces you to work until the age of 65 .. yes, I doubt that at 60 you can find a job for yourself .., there will not be enough places for guards and watchmen for everyone ..
BUT the increase in the retirement age is not due to greed of officials .. Unfortunately this is an objective reality .. Now the children of the 90s should start filling the pension fund .. but there are none .. Dave there is another way .. Introduce a simple and understandable pension law to automate the process to the maximum accrual and transfer of funds to pensioners .. that is, to minimize the costs of maintaining staff and property .., but it is easier to increase the age of receiving a pension.

[Boris55]

Quote: dvina71

There is another way .. There is a simple and understandable pension law, to automate the process of calculating and transferring funds to pensioners to the maximum .. that is, to minimize the cost of maintaining staff and property .., but it is easier to increase the age of receiving a pension.

For this, in Russia, electronics and robotics need to be developed and implemented, but is it necessary for the 5 column? They, except how to select and share, are no longer trained.

[dvina71]

Quote: Boris55

To do this, Russia needs to develop electronics and robotics, but do you need it for your partners?

To do this, you need political will .. tear from the trough ...
And there are enough automated systems in Russia .., there are no problems with this.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Boris55

Quote: dvina71

There is another way .. There is a simple and understandable pension law, to automate the process of calculating and transferring funds to pensioners to the maximum .. that is, to minimize the cost of maintaining staff and property .., but it is easier to increase the age of receiving a pension.

For this, in Russia, electronics and robotics need to be developed and implemented, but is it necessary for the 5 column? They, except how to select and share, are no longer trained.

Well and how, entered?
in Russia there are 102 officials per 10 thousand people
in the USSR, at the peak of the heyday of the bureaucracy, there were only 73 civil servants per 10 thousand people
Read more at RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/economics/15/10/2014/543cfe56c
bb20f8c4e0b98f2
And mind you, there weren’t so many computers in the USSR. You are definitely speaking about the 5th column, not hinting at GDP with comrades? And then the evidence leads exactly to them. Or all the same on them?

[sir_obs]

Read more at RBC:

RBC? You would also have brought echoes of matzah or rain as orient. Better immediately bbc and other voices. On the RBC are singing along precisely those who directly led to all of this.

[your1970]

Leshy1975
1) the number of Russian officials is comparable with the number of officials abroad
2) for some unknown reason (though understandable!) In the USSR, the party and Komsomol apparatus are not considered officials, although it was everywhere: collective farms, army, factories, police, everywhere in one word. And enjoyed considerable authority. are obliged to coordinate everything and everything .. As soon as we understand this, the number of officials in the USSR is growing very sharply.
3) By the way, under the USSR, there were no number of state bodies - without which the state now has nowhere: tax, customs, agencies for issuing international passports and a number

[free]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Boris55

Medvedev, who never hid his desire to extend the retirement period?

I correctly understood that Putin has nothing to do with it? Wow this Medvedev, I’ll save from him, even Putin can’t do anything

Romanov, what's wrong with you? Have you changed shoes?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: free

Romanov, what's wrong with you? Have you changed shoes?

And I was not going to, I was just in real shock that Medvedev was to blame for everything in our state.

[Boris55]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

, I'm just in real shock that Medvedev is to blame for everything in our state.

Interestingly, who announced the increase in the retirement age?
The whole country lives according to the laws adopted by its party. So yes, he is responsible for everything. And by the way, it is his party that is engaged in approving and distributing the budget i.e. planning - what to develop and what not.

[free]

Well, how are you a consistent defender of the existing government, and suddenly you admitted, or even not so hinted at the sunshine, What’s the matter with you, Sanya?

[free]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Well, how are you a consistent defender of the existing government, and suddenly you admitted, or even not so hinted at the sunshine, What’s the matter with you, Sanya?

Well, how are you a consistent defender of the existing government, and suddenly you admitted, or even not so, hinted at the guilty sun !!! What is the matter with you Sanya?

[Leshy1975]

Dangerous this way. Mine started the same way. First, all cheers, then doubt, peering. And when I considered it, it was a shock. That way in a year, two you look, and we will appear "in one trench". And I will not mind, fighters are always needed. The main thing is that ideological ones are the most reliable.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: free

Romanov, what's wrong with you? Have you changed shoes?

And I was not going to, I was just in real shock that Medvedev was to blame for everything in our state.

[SV]

Quote: free

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Boris55

Medvedev, who never hid his desire to extend the retirement period?

I correctly understood that Putin has nothing to do with it? Wow this Medvedev, I’ll save from him, even Putin can’t do anything

Romanov, what's wrong with you? Have you changed shoes?

Actually, shoes change everything - and if it’s liberal, then it’s just necessary. throw off! The faster you realize, the happier you will live.

[Lelek]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Alexander Romanov

Hello Alexander. Something quite a while ago you "did not stand." Glad to welcome you.
As for the essence of what is being discussed, there is still a long debate on the issue of retirement age, a bunch of amendments and changes. Let it wait and not beat the tambourine. And Putin, Medvedev & Co. and the State Duma are one team (IMHO).

[Boris55]

Quote: Lelek

And Putin, Medvedev & Co and the State Duma are one team

Medvedev & Co and GD are one company - EP. They, through the adoption of laws, put up red flags for Putin incl. no need to mix flies with cutlets.
Again. Medvedev owns the legislative branch (the constitutional majority of his party in the Duma). Putin has the right to legislative initiative (like an ordinary deputy). Putin and Medvedev are not the same thing.

[Lelek]

Quote: Boris55

Boris55

Hi Boris.
I do not want to procrastinate on this topic, during the discussion of which two opponents have three opinions. But as a matter of fact, I will express that it is high time to get out of the dollar zone and American candy wrappers at 1,5 - 2 %% per annum. The fact that they started to do this is already good.

[Mega volt]

Quote: Lelek

But as a matter of fact, I will express that it is high time to get out of the dollar zone and American candy wrappers at 1,5 - 2 %% per annum. The fact that they started to do this is already good.

Dear, do not get fooled by the propaganda of the Kremlin junta! The fact that half of investments in American securities has been withdrawn is also bad for us (for the people) and for the state. I will explain why.
The withdrawn money did not return to Russia! They did not work for our economy, were not invested in the country's infrastructure. They stayed abroad. Foreign exchange reserves over the same period increased by only 1 billion, which means that the money did not linger in Russia.

[Lelek]

Quote: Mega Volt

Do not get fooled by the propaganda of the Kremlin junta!

After these your words, I don’t want to communicate with you. Try to voltage elsewhere.

[APASUS]

Quote: Boris55

Why should he go against the will of the people who voted for the EP party, chaired by Medvedev, in the Duma elections,

Having once again proposed Medvedev, pension reform became on a par with the "Great Reformers": Pavlov, Chubais, Kudrin!
Thanks to the native party - for our happy old age!
As I understand it, to raise the standard of living, we will now make concessions to the West even more seriously, to lick - so to lick ..............

[Boris55]

Quote: APASUS

Having once again proposed Medvedev, pension reform became on a par with the "Great Reformers": Pavlov, Chubais, Kudrin

The homeland will not forget him.

[user]

GDP will still play the "good king" ... Although it is unlikely .. They are on another planet

Yes, there’s no need to play “a good king and bad boyars”, the grandson of the cook Lenin and Stalin (Putin movie 2018 is for especially aggressive ones) is unlikely to understand the problems of Pipla. Although now a bunch of lyubooblis will be drawn and will explain to us that we are fundamentally wrong - with graphs and tables.

[tap]

To knock? If only on the forehead with a mallet.

[Ros 56]

To knock? If only on the forehead with a mallet.

And not just that, a baseball bat will do.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: sagitch

So, Rulers with one stroke of a pen crossed out plans of millions of citizens of pre-retirement age. If half a year of addition for a year of work. You can still painful, but survive. Yes, and they offended women, just eight!

Some commentators surprise me: have you ever read the decree? It is clearly stated there: it will be added half a year every year! For men, output at 65 will be from 2028, and for women at 63, from 2034. And besides, the government backtracked: they decided to ease the reform, fearing the indignation of the people. So, we share the skin of an unkilled bear, gentlemen, comrades!
"The Russian government may soften the bill to raise the retirement age after studying the reaction of society - the authorities are afraid of possible protests. This was reported by the newspaper "Vedomosti" with reference to sources close to the presidential administration."
Kommersant
01:45

[serg.shishkov2015]

maybe I'm wrong, but by 2028 we will have a new president and a new prime minister, everything can change, or not, one hr ,,, so that way, I won’t survive

[udincev]

Quote: serg.shishkov2015

maybe I'm wrong, but by 2028 we will have a new president and a new prime minister, everything can change,

Nothing will change. Both the president and the government will be what it takes to not change anything under the existing social system.

[sagitch]

Either the skis do not ride, or am I ....? I read it for the third time, for everyone it sounds "adding a year to the retirement age of retirement for every year of work!

[sabakina]

Quote: SRC P-15

Some commentators surprise me: have you ever read the decree? It is clearly stated there: it will be added half a year every year! For men, output at 65 will be from 2028, and for women at 63 years old, since 2034.

Some Alexandra amaze me. Me in 2027 year will be 60. Probably will be. What year will I retire?

[SRC P-15]

Quote: sabakina

Some Alexandra amaze me. I will be 2027 in 60. Probably there will be. What year will I retire?

What does your retirement have to do with it? I made a complaint to those who “heard the ring, but don’t know where it is” - i.e. to commentators who write their comments without understanding the essence of the issue! A forum member under the nickname sagitch wrote nonsense, saying that the retirement age is increased immediately by 5 years for men and 8 years for women. I wrote the truth, not fiction. But I did not speak out about the reform itself, because I know that these proposals of the government will go through more than one discussion, and as a result, a mountain can give birth to a mouse.
And on the account of your retirement, I can only say that, having taken note of the decision of the government, you can calculate your retirement in advance, most likely you will be a pensioner at 64,5 years. For your information, I have been retired for almost 3 years and I continue to work and I think, if health and some force majeure permit, I will continue to work.

[user]

I made a complaint to those who "heard the ring, but don’t know where he is"

Yes, the ringing is simple, men over 5 years old, and women over 8 years old will be forced to give money for these periods "in the bins of the motherland." Although in my life I have not met a person who would know where they are - these bins. Maybe Sobchak with Chubais or Medvedev found them.

[SV]

Excuse me, who will you be? - He or she? Decide ... well, then consider ...)))

[SV]

What is the scheme for raising the retirement age?

“The changes will be smooth, the increase will take place gradually,” Medvedev promised. So, men born in 1959 and women born in 1964 will be able to retire in 2020, at the age of 61 and 56, respectively.

Men of 1960 and women born in 1965 will receive the right to retire in 2022, at the age of 62 and 57 years, respectively.
Men born in 1961 and women born in 1966 - in 2024, at the age of 63 years and 58 years;
male born in 1962 and women born in 1967 - in 2026, at 64 years old and 59 years old;
male born in 1963 and women born in 1968 will be able to retire in 2028, at the age of 65 and 60, respectively.

At this, having reached 65 years, the transitional period for increasing the retirement age for men will end.

Women born in 1969 will receive the right to retire in 2030, at the age of 61;
women born in 1970 - in 2032, at the age of 62;
women born in 1971 - in 2034, at the age of 63 years.



More on TASS:
http://tass.ru/ekonomika/5290863

[Yuyuka]

Quote: sagitch

So, Rulers with one stroke of a pen crossed out plans of millions of citizens of pre-retirement age. If half a year of addition for a year of work. You can still painful, but survive. Yes, and they offended women, just eight!
The petition is already somewhere on the Internet. Let’s try to reach the rulers in a civilized manner.

The Russian government may soften the bill to raise the retirement age after studying the reaction of society - the authorities are afraid of possible protests. This was reported by the newspaper "Vedomosti" with reference to sources close to the presidential administration.

how to bask, without comment ... first the most “tough” option, then a little relaxation - we heard you, well, what we can do is soften it a bit ... how much you need to not respect your people in order to play such games!

[dauria]

how much you should not respect your people in order to play such games with him!

And why respect us? Some have slavish obedience, the others each for himself, part in footmen. Also, they found the descendants of Emelyan Pugachev and Joseph Stalin. I saw the last strike in the 97th at the factory. And then the men only ONE plot were enraged. Yes, gays in Europe are even more respected - at least they can vote. Tfu. We drink beer and watch football further.

[edmed]

know comment!

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Yuyuka

Quote: sagitch

So, Rulers with one stroke of a pen crossed out plans of millions of citizens of pre-retirement age. If half a year of addition for a year of work. You can still painful, but survive. Yes, and they offended women, just eight!
The petition is already somewhere on the Internet. Let’s try to reach the rulers in a civilized manner.

The Russian government may soften the bill to raise the retirement age after studying the reaction of society - the authorities are afraid of possible protests. This was reported by the newspaper "Vedomosti" with reference to sources close to the presidential administration.

how to bask, without comment ... first the most “tough” option, then a little relaxation - we heard you, well, what we can do is soften it a bit ... how much you need to not respect your people in order to play such games!

A typical version of the type "you put a goat in your room, and expel in a couple of months, immediately life will improve and it will become much easier to breathe"

[Boa kaa]

Quote: sagitch

Let’s try to reach the rulers in a civilized manner.

Knock not knock - the people will not increase from this! It was necessary to give birth in 90, and not "shuttle". This is a retribution for the policy of "nothing to produce poverty!"

[AUL]

Of course, the people themselves are to blame for not giving birth in the 90s! It was not necessary to survive, but to give birth!

[Boa kaa]

Quote from AUL

It was not necessary to survive, but to give birth!

Our grandmothers and mothers in the war (!) Gave birth! But they did not think that they were "creating poverty" ... because they believed that no matter how difficult it was, the state (Stalin) would help, the labor collective and trade union would not be left alone with the trouble, people would help. All were poor, but all were equal to each other ...
And now the state is ready to take away the last ... for the sake of the ruling class.

[free]

Quote: BoA KAA

Quote from AUL

It was not necessary to survive, but to give birth!

Our grandmothers and mothers in the war (!) Gave birth! But they did not think that they were "creating poverty" ... because they believed that no matter how difficult it was, the state (Stalin) would help, the labor collective and trade union would not be left alone with the trouble, people would help. All were poor, but all were equal to each other ...
And now the state is ready to take away the last ... for the sake of the ruling class.

Because they do not give birth!

[-Pollux]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

This is a retribution for the policy of "nothing to produce poverty!"

Namely, the citizens themselves are to blame for the current pension reform, and not the government at all.

[major147]

Quote: BoA KAA

Quote: sagitch

Let’s try to reach the rulers in a civilized manner.

Knock not knock - the people will not increase from this! It was necessary to give birth in 90, and not "shuttle". This is a retribution for the policy of "nothing to produce poverty!"

Shuttles - to survive! I after service until 18 o’clock, went to a side job, guarded the slot machine hall from 20 to 23 x. At home, two small boys, a doctor's wife and a retired mother. Do you remember how you paid salaries and pensions? Fuck them paid! And now I was sitting every day (or rather evening) in the smoky room, and I was not a smoker at all, then I got home deep after midnight, and at 6 a.m. I went to the service. He came - the children were already sleeping, he was leaving - the children were still sleeping, and so for several years without a weekend at all, and I think I was lucky to have a part-time job and somehow survive without much loss. Because in the service of the salary, they were constantly detained or issued the salary with a Chinese stew where there were water and yes. And about problems with s / n came and told from management the chief financial. on the hand of which the watch was more expensive than the entire monetary maintenance of the unit for the month.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: major147

After service until 18 hours, I went to work part time guarding the slot machine hall from 20 to 23 x.

Just do not need me to talk about the hardships and hardships ... At least your wife could rely on you ... But how about the sailors, since no one canceled access to the sea even in 90. And nothing, gave birth ...
You at least gave birth to 2's boys, thereby reproducing yourself with your wife. But there are many who have one child or none at all ... So they did the Balts. What did they come to with the depopulation of Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians - - no need to speak.
Another thing, at one time, the GDR. A young family is the key to a one-room apartment. A child was born - minus 50% of the debt on loans, the second was born - they all wrote off, and on the third - an allowance, not ridiculous as we have 83 rubles, but one that you can feed the child ... Why ours cannot what to do?

[Sober]

Now I hear young women talking. Ah, I have two dogs. As everything is expensive, a haircut, treatment. Do you want a child? What are you? !!!! A crisis!!!!!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Sober

Ah, I have two dogs. As everything is expensive, a haircut, treatment. Do you want a child? What are you? !!!! A crisis!!!!!

When I was in Spain for the first time, a little emotion came over me: the audience on the boardwalk was all over with strollers !!! But when I saw that watchdogs and mongrels were sitting in these strollers (dogs, in a word!), I was taken aback by a flurry !!! It seemed to me a mockery of common sense: no matter how much you love your pet, but to compare it with a child is blasphemy in my opinion!
The reason is the same - they don’t want to give birth ... it hurts, it’s expensive, there will be no time left for yourself, the figure is a pity, etc. As a result, Spain is rapidly aging. And where only do caballeros look !?

[major147]

KAA boa constrictor (Alexander) Today, 10:18 ↑ "Why can’t ours do the same?"
If I were one of the “able to do,” I would answer you for sure.
And in the post I do not complain, I talk about my life then. Many do not know this, while others do not want to know. (This apparently does not apply to you).

[Boa kaa]

Quote: major147

(This apparently does not apply to you).

Do you doubt it !?
I remember how there was no salary for 4 a month, I remember how Glavpur, in full earnestness, suggested that we, the commanders, organize campaigns for "wild plants" - in the sense of switching to pasture ... But they survived, were strong, because they were young and everything was " front "(or front?)
Now, when you live every day, a lot of things are perceived differently ... But what has been lived and done cannot be returned, and history has no subjunctive mood ...
Something like this, however.

[Sergej1972]

However, the birth rate in the GDR was very low.

[-Pollux]

Quote: sagitch

Yes, and they offended women, just eight!

They fought for equality! Here it is in all its glory.

[core]

women had to add up to 70 years. this is their cant, that for one working 3 pensioners. ceased to give birth since the 70s, they will degenerate one gold. and shaking like gold. and if two. then generally a heroine.

[Sofa warrior]

Women here and since cheese is rolled in butter, they have much less formal and informal responsibilities in this society, only because of the slightly different structure of the body.

[Grandfather Makhno]

The maximum on what you can hope to knock on the coffin lid from the inside, the result will be the same

[11 black]

Quote: sagitch

So, Rulers with one stroke of a pen crossed out plans of millions of citizens of pre-retirement age. If half a year of addition for a year of work. You can still painful, but survive. Yes, and they offended women, just eight!
The petition is already somewhere on the Internet. Let’s try to reach the rulers in a civilized manner.

Not half a year, not a quarter of a year - no increase can be experienced!
What increase, when and so is the country in the second hundred in the rating of pension provision ?!
What increase - when in dozens of regions the average life expectancy will not even reach retirement ?! - absolutely stunned upstairs!

[Observer2014]

210ox (Dmitriy)

You rightly noticed .. Like your shirt is closer to the body

Yes, yes. But

Russia sensationally threw off about half of its investments in American debt

Would you like to say "Eya heard" from a cool movie?

[scientist]

Quote: sagitch

disturbs the pension question more

Everything is somehow strange with this "pension issue". Two extremely popular decisions about raising VAT and retirement age were made on the first day of the World Cup. Is this such an information cover that people would not notice or resent? But for more than a year this topic has been discussed.

[dSK]

Quote: scientist

information cover

"Kremlin fears protests over rising retirement age."
According to another source of Vedomosti, depending on the severity of the reaction of people, the authorities may even go on to soften the parameters of the reform: it is possible to lower the limit bar to which it is supposed to raise the retirement age, or increase the transition period. Vedomosti yesterday at 20:19

Most likely they will do as you have in Kazakhstan: men - 63, women - 60-63.

[AlexVas44]

Quote: scientist

Two extremely popular decisions about raising VAT and retirement age ...

To the “heap” can be added still very unpopular among Russians (or familiar?) Such solutions as raising the cost of fuel, which will no longer be less, as well as raising CTP rates. What is there, the elections have passed ...

[udincev]

Quote: AlexVas44

What is there, the elections have passed ...

And the election results are gradually emerging.

[major147]

Quote: udincev

Quote: AlexVas44

What is there, the elections have passed ...

And the election results are gradually emerging.

Then Putin and the government scolded the interruption, they recall the elections, they say they didn’t vote like that. And how was it necessary? No answer. I do not support recent decisions worsening the life of the people, but not one of the hoolitiles gives advice, they only scold.

[udincev]

Quote: major147

I do not support recent decisions worsening the life of the people, but not one of the hoolitiles gives advice, they only scold.

There are more than enough tips and suggestions. Maybe you’re not looking there?
In elections, there was an alternative and the possibility (to some extent) to influence the policy of the authorities.
It must be admitted that any current government will not be a boon to the people under the existing social system.

[Yuyuka]

Quote: scientist

Quote: sagitch

disturbs the pension question more

Everything is somehow strange with this "pension issue". Two extremely popular decisions about raising VAT and retirement age were made on the first day of the World Cup. Is this such an information cover that people would not notice or resent? But for more than a year this topic has been discussed.

Why is it strange? everything was calculated by psychologists and connoisseurs of the masses ... it feels like defeating the Saudis 5: 0 was task No. 1 - the dreary mumbling of several hundred dissatisfied with these innovations was overshadowed by the glee of tens of thousands ... all thinking people understood everything perfectly - while the championship is going on protests are impossible, and then ... everything settles down, and they throw a bone - VAT is not 20, but 19,5% and for retirement - not in 65, but in 64 ...

[Non liberoid Russian]

I love you, whiners of couches ... there’s not even a bill, everything is at the proposal stage .... a hundred times everything will change until all instances pass, and you have already raised

[sagitch]

So Saturday morning, and guessed, of course on your favorite couch.
So the question is, well, very painful.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

I love you whiners sofas ...

And I, you, fermented patriots, am ready to kiss your gums. To the crack of teeth ... Why can't you come up with the law on minimum wage of 25 rubles by your near-wisdom? Or don’t you pay the mother for the child born 000 1 000 rubles (not with a certificate, but in cash)? Or do not legitimize to everyone, without exception, the same principle of calculating pensions? Or do not introduce a progressive tax (PIT)? Or do not you accept the law on the maintenance of domestic animals and the criminal liability of their negligent owners? Why not lift the moratorium on the death penalty for embezzlement from the state on an especially large scale (in relation to the size of our pensions and minimum wage - 000 1 000 rubles)? Why don’t you accept the law on the interconnection of salaries of deputies and officials with the average salary in Russia?
You don’t even have a bill, let alone a proposal stage .... a hundred times everything would have changed until all instances had passed, and you were already preparing a new muck for us. Simply "excrementers" some ...

[Non liberoid Russian]

as for the gums, kiss this in Europe, please, they love and appreciate such gummies ... a career is guaranteed ... and you don’t have to throw accusations to a person you don’t know ... although the Internet gives you a sense of impunity for whiners

[free]

Quote: Not a liberoid Russian

as for the gums, kiss this in Europe, please, they love and appreciate such gummies ... a career is guaranteed ... and you don’t have to throw accusations to a person you don’t know ... although the Internet gives you a sense of impunity for whiners

Don’t twist, however, they answered you correctly. Or did you not want to say what you said?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: ROSS 42

And I, you, fermented patriots, am ready to kiss your gums. To the crack of teeth ...

I read the introduction to the post and thought ... Well, damn it, another "Brezhnev" showed up!
And I read to the end and - take off my hat !!!
(Respect and respect, as they say paid, ruffled about business BUT!!!)

[-Pollux]

Quote: ROSS 42

Or you won’t pay the mother for the born child 1 000 000 rubles

Not in the horse feed

[Alekseev]

Quote: ROSS 42

Why can't you come up with the law on minimum wage of 25 rubles by your near-wisdom?

All of these proposals on the necessary laws sound pathetic, timely and very reasonable ...
But, to make a minimum wage of 25000 rubles. ? And what will happen in stores and markets? Will the price increase that we observed before seem like a child’s toy? Who will hire with such minimal salary?
Capitalism in the yard however, they themselves wanted.
But will it be fair for everyone to calculate pensions on the same principle?
After all, there is no such thing in the world. Yes, they themselves pay pensions only in the most developed countries.
Even in China, the vast majority do not even dream about retirement.
And in the USSR there was a time when they were faced with a choice: either a salary or a pension.
For example, a regular old-age pension is paid so that a citizen can live without the strength to work, and a military pension also has sense of compensation: a man voluntarily abandoned a career on a citizen, quit the army at the age of 45-50, and the train left ... they do not even answer the resume, as the forum member correctly wrote here ...
The problem is not in the middle age for the extension of which it is necessary in Russia, including, to drink and smoke less, to lead a healthy lifestyle.
The problem is that there are only two workers for each pensioner, and labor productivity with an average in the national economy is much lower than in the different Germanys and Switzerland. There are no those resources, for example, among Saudis, who have as much oil as the Russian Federation and have a population of 35 million and do not have winter, the need to maintain aircraft like us, etc. etc.
What to do? What to do?!
Probably should be wherever possible, i.e. for the bosses, "first and foremost" to accept the army principle: you serve, you get a salary, you leave according to age, length of service, a pension.
Perhaps it should be parasites that have never worked in their life, do not pay anything at all, and give coupons for bread and pasta and payment of housing and communal services at a minimum.
Maybe in 55-60 years offer a minimum pension, and after five years, "full" and let the citizens decide for themselves.
Unfortunately, we probably cannot change the basic principle.
An ordinary old-age pension is just an opportunity to live for an elderly person who is not quite able-bodied.
Dreams that reaching such a pension is the beginning of a new carefree and rich life there is an illusion.
An elderly person cannot have a carefree life, but in order to become old, if not rich, but at least more or less wealthy, one must live a life that is right and reasonable, and not only hope for the good deeds of the government, president and other comrades, they to ourselves, and at all times.
For example, you can become a test pilot, or fight in Afghanistan, Syria, or in the north in the cold of 50 degrees, pump oil, or "my dad is my shop" and no pension is needed. (which is also very difficult )
.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Alekseev

a military pension also has the meaning of compensation: a person voluntarily gave up his career on a township, left the army at the age of 45-50 years, and the train left ... they don’t even answer the resume, as the forum member correctly wrote ...

Sorry, a couple of remarks:
1. The rulers robbed us when for 5 years they did not compensate for inflation and did not pay the full amount laid down by the Law, and did not increase it annually, as provided by law ...
2. He retired in 55 years ... I had to start everything from scratch. He became a leading specialist in the Glavka project office. Head of department ... The main thing is not to give up! Otherwise, why was tempering character and will from 14 years in IED !?
3. Never lose optimism and do not give up ... And if something unusual happens, change the situation, the country is big. Literate people are also needed in the village! (joke).
A good man, the commander of the flotilla, always used to say: - "It is better to fall belly than spirit!"

Quote: Alekseev

An elderly person cannot have a carefree life ...

You are right: the rich also cry! But the main thing is that health cannot be returned for any money! And God forbid if something is complicated or stashnoe, such as ancalalogy ...
So, live and enjoy every day you live!
IMHO.

[123456789]

Quote: ROSS 42

Just "excrementers" of some sort ...

Scientists ... they would first check on rabbits

[123456789]

FSE, who can’t get any further, on the Far Eastern hectare. Breed rabbits

[New Year day]

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

I love you, whiners of couches ... there’s not even a bill, everything is at the proposal stage ....

how their proposals end and how laws are passed, everyone knows. Power will not miss. But for some reason, more than 90% of the population is against your optimism. Maybe you are in 10% of celestials?

[Goha]

Correctly raised, because the rulers of social. networks are monitoring.

[Maz]

But China has canceled all trade agreements with the United States! Yesh, yesterday.

[Deck]

Probably ... this is good news.

And my question is: where is this money now? 48 billion. Friends - the oligarchs as help, just afford or a bridge to Kamchatka began to build? Bullshit, now retirees will be thrown off

[Non liberoid Russian]

and the request is not fate to send?

[AlexVas44]

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

and the request is not fate to send?

Know to whom, and who will give a reliable answer. And then, just recently, the answers to 2,6 million questions were convincingly vague.

[lis-ik]

Quote: sagitch

Probably ... this is good news. But somehow it is not up to her, the pension issue is more disturbing.

The rulers decided to hide their zagashnik?

[123456789]

Quote: lis-ik

The rulers decided to hide their zagashnik?

Quiet Ukrainian night ... but it is better to hide the fat

[Svarog]

Quote: sagitch

Probably ... this is good news. But somehow it is not up to her, the pension issue is more disturbing.

No sensation, no one buys our public debt, that’s the thing .. In general, I agree with you, it’s only worrying too late, the decision has been made and a long time ago .. They were waiting for the elections ..

[let's say]

How tired of all of you already with this pension issue. Open a separate forum for yourself and whine there as much as you like, there is nothing to foul the rest of the news.

[New Year day]

Quote: dison

How tired of all of you already with this pension issue. Open a separate forum for yourself and whine there as much as you like, there is nothing to foul the rest of the news.

there are many military pensioners, are you suggesting that they shut up? Can you switch to "Dom-2"? There all the news is very relevant

[Opera]

Sylvester, but the withdrawal of funds invested in American securities is good news, or military pensioners a priori can not have good news ?! Or should any news be discussed with military retirees in spitting on the authorities ?! Are you a military pensioner ?! Sound the size of your pension ?! May I provide official information. If you don’t want to, I inform you that there are a lot of people in military uniform in uniform who continue to serve. Yes, and there are enough civilians!

[New Year day]

looking. Since the pension issue collected about 2 thousand responses in 1 days, one would think that this issue is very painful for everyone, without exception. If you believe the newspapers, the Kremlin fears unrest because of this issue. As for money in the States, I’m on the drum, but if a person is interested in where they will go, then this is a legitimate question. An opponent who has a hot topic on the drum uses the word "tired." In my opinion, this is out of place.

Quote: Oper

Or should any news be discussed with military retirees in spitting on the authorities ?!

And what is the "spitting" of power? Is it that the authorities make not popular decisions: increasing the retirement age, raising taxes, exempting oligarchs from these taxes, etc.? There is a life more expensive, that. need to praise the power? That power itself does not constrict, does not suffer deprivation along with the people. So the power itself spat for a long time in the eyes of people. With regard to GDP, it is selected by half the country's population, if we count all the voters. And talk. that he was chosen by all the people is not true.
The remaining half can think of everything he wants.
The actions of the authorities are cheating. if Putin was so sure of his victory, then what prevented him from making all the latest decisions on the eve of the election? Afraid of? That's it!
My pension is 15 666 rubles. Not indexed.

Quote: Oper

If you don’t want to, I inform you that there are a lot of people in uniform who continue to serve in uniform

it is very good, the army should be with the people

[Opera]

Is it a military pension ?! I can tell you that very average payments to military retirees in Russia are about $ 400 at the current rate. In dollars, he cited a figure for readers of VO from other republics of the former union! Participants in hostilities, length of service, etc. get much more and you cannot but know! Spitting on the authorities consists in the vile insults of Putin and the provision of false information, as if a statement of fact! The current topic has been exaggerated here for a very long time precisely as a betrayal of the power of national interests! In this case, should the Chinese Communist Party of China be at the head of a group of world traitors? However, in contrast to the Russian authorities, it is regularly cited by left-wing commentators as a role model !!! This, what does it mean, an objective assessment or spitting ?! As soon as information appears refuting these allegations of the left, both liberal-minded and suffering according to the communist past, they immediately become not interested! Where is the money screaming ?! Where will they go ?! The answer is to finance old and new May decrees, raising pensions, financing the military-industrial complex, etc.! And again I will be right, as in this thread! And the left? Once again, some will shout why we need such an army, while others will probably again show the Stalinist collective farm as an example of farming! By the way, military pensions are raised and indexed annually. It will be in 2018! Well, the last one, you Sylvester, of course, I'm sorry, but I’m already not interested in discussing the issue of elections! And our Western partners did not question the turnout and voting. People, though not pro-Russian but serious, do not want to throw themselves so frankly with a head start into the dung, unlike many commentators!

[New Year day]

Quote: Oper

I can tell you that very average payments to military pensioners in Russia are about $ 400 at the current rate

and civilians? My mother has a pension of 11 thousand

Quote: Oper

Spitting on the authorities consists in the vile insults of Putin and the provision of false information, as if a statement of fact!

examples in the studio ...

Quote: Oper

The answer is to finance old and new May decrees, raising pensions, financing the military-industrial complex, etc.!

But have the past May decrees been fulfilled?
The financing of the new May decrees will be carried out by optimizing taxation, the government says.
How is health care financed outside the Moscow Ring Road there? Do not want to go to the district hospital and an excursion?

Quote: Oper

By the way, military pensions are raised and indexed annually

and what to do with 20 million distressed in the country? Golodets and Golikova are already tired of quoting about this.

Quote: Oper

Well, the last one, you Sylvester, of course, I'm sorry, but I’m already not interested in discussing the issue of elections!

every time you say "people have chosen." Yes, I chose, but not all the people and from the whole people to speak incorrectly. We are talking about this!
No one disputes the results and this is true. Therefore, you need to mouth eat a vote.

[Opera]

An example in the studio is this very topic in which we are now talking to you! Civil pensions have fewer and also depend on various factors, you know! My father worked all his life in construction, then he was also involved in construction and was in charge of the party line. Born in the village and worked in the village from an early age. Accordingly, he has a long experience. Pension 24 rubles plus benefits for medicines, plus payments for housing and communal services, plus as a veteran of labor and something else, I'm sorry I don’t know to my shame. As for the heinous and deceitful insults of the president, you see them yourself I will not quote! No, not all the old decrees are fulfilled, and I wrote so read carefully! About the optimization, of course! However, Sylvester, do not be cunning; you know how much you need to find additionally to improve people's lives ?! This article is about the withdrawal of funds to help you! As for the 000 million poverty line, please be kind enough to tell us in which year there were 20 times more! Putin is a very decent person and a patriot, but not a magician, unfortunately! Regarding the whole nation, Putin chose or not the whole nation ... If you are guided by your considerations and the fact that Putin who received such support is not popularly elected, then explain who and where is popularly elected ?! Examples in the studio?))))
I’m going to work now and if that I can’t answer soon. Sorry to read later.

[New Year day]

Quote: Oper

do you know how much you need to find additionally to improve people's lives ?!

I guess. Only THEY know this.

Quote: Oper

As for the heinous and deceitful insults of the president, you see them yourself

Insult is a deliberate humiliation of the honor and dignity of a person, expressed in indecent form.
I personally do not observe this. Humiliation is always bad, you can not humiliate anyone.

Quote: Oper

Putin is a very decent person and a patriot, but not a magician, unfortunately!

here I do not agree with you

Quote: Oper

Putin who received such support is not popularly elected then who and where is popularly popular ?!

we are going into a play on words. “Nationwide” is supported by the whole nation, and not its part, even if it’s more.
Stalin is popular, although I am not his ardent admirer.

[Opera]

Let’s start from the end and begin, who elected Stalin ?! That's all! You can finish!))))
Further, if you do not see insults against the president, then you either do not see well at all or do not read what some comrades write here regularly. Although perhaps you do not consider it an insult if you are called a thief ?! I dont know. This is a matter of your self-identification! Now further, Sylvester, in connection with the fact that with your comments (I don’t know, maybe I haven’t read everything), you give the impression of a person thinking, let's agree, if you don’t know something, just ask. If you want to voice some topics exclusively one-sided in accordance with your political preferences, then let's just stop this conversation because we don’t understand each other! Have you watched the annual message of the president? Putin talked about rising spending on health, education, infrastructure, the urban environment ... Until 2024, 4% of GDP will be directed to healthcare and aim at 5%. A twofold reduction in poverty over this period. Build a targeted assistance system and create jobs. Only this will require 150-200 billion rubles a year! Given the increase in the indexation of pensions with excess inflation ... Should I continue this liquidation, forgive illiteracy or do you yourself read something and look at the numbers that are planned to be spent on a 6-year period in the social sphere ?! If, Sylvester, you prefer to engage in sadomasochism and alarmism with many here, then you can certainly do it. But for some reason it seems to me that you are a thinking person.

[New Year day]

Quote: Oper

Putin talked about rising spending on health, education, infrastructure, the urban environment ... Until 2024, 4% of GDP will be directed to healthcare and aim at 5%.

only the reality in healthcare stitches. I tell you this, I have worked in this system for 35 years. There is no analgin in the Moscow hospital, there is no choice of antibiotics, and there are not many. What is being done on the periphery? In the region there are not even test jars, one doctor and a surgeon, and a traumatologist, and a neurosurgeon, and an x-ray laboratory assistant, and an ENT doctor. And according to the Law, this is called the provision of services of inadequate quality, since there is no certificate for these specialties. In which case - to prison. May decrees - do you think that doctors are paying more? No, they reduced the payment of night hours, holidays, and at that expense increased the salary. As a result, exactly how much was, so much has become. But on paper, they raised it.
Much more can be said about medicine, but tired of it. Transfusion from empty to empty. Therefore, his constant promise in reality goes into job cuts. intensification of work, exorbitant loads, etc. In the corridors of the hospital did not lie, did not treat their osteochondrosis in gynecology? This is normal now.
So I evaluate his activity in this plane as unsatisfactory. I don’t need Kisel-TV to change my opinion, I see everything with my own eyes. It is a system
failures, as well as pension reforms, housing and communal services.
What is his promise to curb gasoline prices? And the price is only growing.
YOU want to convince me that a cardiologist or a lawyer are the best ministers of agriculture? And such personnel decisions are full. Maybe because of the collapse that the ranks give by personal devotion or by necessity?
From here and dance.

Quote: Oper

If, Sylvester, you are nicer to engage in sadomasochism and alarmism with many here

neither one nor the other I do. When I realized that GDP was a bourgeois, I took everything into my own hands. 18 years of work in all jobs and I provided myself, children with everything necessary.
I know that as a result, GDP will overthrow and leave a poor country and everyone will die alone. How to die, I see every day.
Therefore, my communication style is banter or reasoning. I do not impose my point of view on anyone, but when you read frank stupidity and bragging, you want to get wet. There is a sin.
My work is based on a real situation, not on fantasies and Wishlist. Therefore, in life, I base everything on a real platform.

Quote: Oper

you are a thinking person.

thank. Candidate of Science, Associate Professor, Retired
By the way, you make the same impression, but in some matters I do not agree with you.
I do not argue about missiles, bombs, but about life and medicine, thank you.

Quote: Oper

if you don’t see insults addressed to the president, then you either don’t see well at all or don’t read what some comrades write here regularly

some! But not all. Our society is a slice of the state in which we live.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Oper

Have you watched the annual message of the president? Putin spoke of rising spending on health, education, infrastructure, the urban environment ...

I found a time when even in the primers it was printed that the generation whose remains are now retired will live under communism.
And, have you read about the analysis of the implementation of past "May decrees"? At least Kudrin, who headed the Accounts Chamber?
The same Kudrin: "Raising the retirement age will save the budget of the Russian Federation from 2024 to 1 trillion rubles a year .... "
And there too: "A bill developed by the Ministry of Finance on changing tariffs for compulsory pension insurance will reduce revenues to the Pension Fund of Russia by 615 billion rubles. in 2021, for 660 billion rubles - in 2022, for 705 billion - in 2023, for 760 billion - in 2024. "

Quote: Oper

I continue to continue this elimination, forgive illiteracy or you yourself read something and look, including numbers

PS Reading your comments, I remembered one fairy tale how, using a magic flute, one craftsman saved the whole city from rats. Do you believe in fairy tales? After all, "a fairy tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it."
PSI I do not shine from the "thousandth cookies", I work.

[123456789]

Quote: Silvestr

The remaining half can think of everything he wants.

The remaining half voted kicked

[let's say]

there are many military pensioners, are you suggesting that they shut up? Can you switch to "Dom-2"? There all the news is very relevant

I already wrote my proposal, if you can’t read, I can’t help you.
Z. And what does the current pensioners have to do with it? They are already in retirement, they are not in danger, on the contrary, they will be thrown every year to retire for thousands.

[New Year day]

Quote: dison

And what does the current pensioners have to do with it? They are already retired, they are not in danger,

and current retirees have no children and they don’t think about their future? Bad then parents who do not think about children

[123456789]

Quote: dison

Z. And what does the current pensioners have to do with it? They are already in retirement, they are not in danger, on the contrary, they will be thrown every year to retire for thousands.

Divide and conquer (Latin divide et impera) - the principle of state power, which is often resorted to by governments of states consisting of heterogeneous parts, and, according to which, the best method of managing such a state is to incite and exploit hostility between its parts. In a broader sense, the tactics (often hidden) of creating, enhancing and using contradictions, differences or disagreements between two or more parties to control them.

[123456789]

[quote = dison] How tired of all of you already with this retirement issue. Open a separate quote forum]
But the thought is good! Party of deceived pensioners

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: sagitch

Probably ... this is good news. But somehow not up to her

more precisely, it has practically nothing to do with us, the common people!

[Sober]

But nothing has anything to do with “us”. Only bread and circuses ...

[rocket757]

After the fight .... they don’t wave their hands.
About debt, garbage is a question because where did the money go, FIG knows, wherever, but not for the development of the country, maximum patching of the previous holes!
With pension, the answer is clear again, see the first line!

[siberalt]

If everyone unanimously begins to take off these papers, then they will be worthless. Paper is paper. The money for her has already been paid.

[Ivan Ivanov]

The news itself is good, another question is - where did they go, if instead of treasuries they were shoved into Eurobanks, then there is no fundamental difference.

[KLV2018]

Quote: sagitch

Probably ... this is good news. But somehow it is not up to her, the pension issue is more disturbing.

It seems that the money was withdrawn to help the guarantor's friends - the oligarchs, who came under sanctions.
the guarantor does not abandon his own.
thanks Vladimir Vladimirovich. we will work until we die.
and you are the true master of your word.
although the sheep stupidly following you probably deserve such an attitude.

[HDZ]

28 trillion rubles themselves will not be returned to the budget. It is necessary to beat off with pence.

[Captain45]

Quote: sagitch

Probably ... this is good news. But somehow it is not up to her, the pension issue is more disturbing.

Hold me seven, otherwise I’ll fall off laughing !!! Yes, look at the publication of three to four days ago. In addition to the ruined enterprises and investments in the US public debt, there were no other topics in the discussions. Now they threw a new topic - retirement age. Damn, a bunch ...... They threw a bone like a bone to dogs and everyone started to gnaw it. Here it is informative in all its glory-you want to distract, throw the topic. The retirement age is still in question, the President has not signed and will not sign the law, but the increase in gas prices has been very successful under this topic. Only just yesterday they rubbed for this gasoline, but ... Thank God, a new topic has appeared. Gasoline is forgotten, pension is at stake

[Uryukc]

96,1 million dollars and in April fell to 48,7 billion.

Still, probably a billion. Correct the author.

[dSK]

Statistics for Aprilmaybe in May it will be even better?

[Uryukc]

It will not, it is necessary to give and pay dollar loans under external contracts.

[Evil 55]

Now Russian pensioners will be taken away, again thrown up ..

[Opera]

I read and laugh heartily! Well, how so comrades ?! After all, most recently, all those same people on VO have been unanimously accusing quite a lot of betrayal of the Russian government because of investments in American securities !!! And they didn’t want to listen, any real explanations on this occasion! Traitors and all! Do you remember? I recently spoke about the withdrawal of funds, but I’m Putinoid and can anyone really believe me ?! And now you get quite official information and ...? "Nuuuuu ... nnnaaaver it’s goodooo ... But Putin leaked everyone anyway ... PENSIONS - HERE!" And away we go !!! Tell me guys, you yourself haven’t gotten tired of yourself ?!

[New Year day]

Quote: Oper

Tell me guys, you yourself haven’t gotten tired of yourself ?!

Igor! Have you yet to become tired of bravado? If you are in chocolate, this does not mean that everything is in it.

Quote: Oper

But Putin leaked everyone anyway ...

list Putin’s achievements over the past presidency - I can’t remember something

[region58]

Quote: Oper

"Nuuuuu ... nnnaaaver it’s goodooo ... But Putin leaked everyone anyway ...

So it’s been known for a long time that if things are going well, then it all happened by itself, but if something is wrong, it’s for sure Putin’s fault, there is no one else ...
PS And treasurer is the same stash ... It’s more profitable to keep the stash in US securities - it means you have to take it, it’s more profitable in something else, or you urgently needed money - I quickly sold it ... Something like this ...

[123456789]

Quote: region58

PS And treasurer is the same stash ... It’s more profitable to keep the stash in US securities - it means you have to take it, it’s more profitable in something else, or you urgently needed money - I quickly sold it ... Something like this ...

The stash should be stored in gold, and gold should not be bought on the world market - there they can slip tungsten And from their manufacturers. Something like this

[region58]

Quote: 123456789

Stash must be stored in gold

You won’t sell gold quickly and expensive if it does, it’s, so to speak, a long-term and concrete stash. And treasury is a stash for current expenses and collateral.

[neofit962]

Where did this money go, a very interesting question?

[sagitch]

And who are you !? To ask! And all in this spirit, already in thought, the rulers answered.

[neofit962]

Right! Why am I a slave asking unnecessary questions ....

[123456789]

Quote: neofit962

Right! Why am I a slave asking unnecessary questions ....

am I trembling or right? ”

[123456789]

Now the police will figure out which of us is a serf!

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: sagitch

And who are you !? To ask!

A citizen of the Russian Federation - and this is quite enough, but for what purpose are you interested in?

Quote: Evil 55

Now Russian pensioners will be taken away, again thrown up ..

Quote: neofit962

Where did this money go

World Cup - it's clear ....

Quote: Angry 55

Now Russian pensioners will be taken away, again thrown up ..

even the plan will be exceeded !!

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: neofit962

Where did this money go, a very interesting question?

I remembered one episode ...

[72jora72]

Where did this money go, a very interesting question?

You will not please, they invest in Amer’s bonds, it’s bad, they withdraw money from Amer’s debts, they are also not happy.

[DEDPIHTO]

Well, what kind of thoughts can people have about the fate of money from Amer’s debts, if even VESTDOKS manage to plunder ... that is. confiscated funds seized from corrupt officials. Google about the loss of part of the money seized from Khoroshavin and Zakharchenko.
Feel the rats that are on the verge of a grand schucher ...

[Mega volt]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

Well, what kind of thoughts can people have about the fate of money from Amer’s debts,

Thoughts on this subject are few. Either this money was invested in the securities of some third countries, or they went to pay for the catastrophic debts of Russian thieves who fell under sanctions.
One thing is clear, this money did not return to Russia. Gold reserves for the same period almost did not increase, an increase of only 1 billion.

[New Year day]

Quote: 72jora72

You will not please, they invest in Amer’s bonds, it’s bad, they withdraw money from Amer’s debts, they are also not happy.

if you read it carefully, the question is not what the money was withdrawn, but where did they go? These are two big differences.

[Sober]

All that you say, all against you. As everything always turns out !!!!!

[Vadim237]

Do not worry, you have nothing to do with this money and you will not see them in your pocket.

[Grim Reaper]

We buy American debt. Nda.
Apparently in the Russian Federation everything is so good that we don’t already know where to get the money.
But do not we go to the collectors?
Only now the "debt beater" IMHO has not yet grown ...... The soldering iron of the wrong system.

[Vadim237]

Russia has a lot to do: modernization: energy, transport system, army, space mega construction, May decrees and much more.

[samarin1969]

That's for sure - "unexpectedly ...". If only they had not transferred the money to something less public and no less "left" ...

[DRA-75]

Slowly, sluggishly, but we’ll suppress the dollar all the same .. You look there and China will follow us ..
Looks like a little gold is buying up quietly, it is by far the hardest currency in the world.!

[neofit962]

Gold seems to have increased, and the ruble depreciated by 5% in three months ...

[DRA-75]

Quote: neofit962

Gold seems to have increased, and the ruble depreciated by 5% in three months ...

Not everything is so simple in the bourgeois economy ... The capital leak continues and the infections are stolen for the most part!

[ghby]

Quote: DRA-75

Looks like a little gold is buying up quietly, it is by far the hardest currency in the world.!

Why quiet, open. According to official figures, 2017 tons of physical gold was bought in 223, for comparison, in the early 90s, the total gold reserves amounted to slightly less than 300 tons. Russia holds first place in the amount of gold purchased. 90 tons have already been purchased this year.

[voyaka uh]

The gold rate is floating, pegged to the dollar. When someone starts selling a lot of gold, their price drops.

[ghby]

Our purchases are not on the stock exchange, but from the miners.

[voyaka uh]

When the state wants to sell it, then it will have to deal not with native miners, but with foreigners. And they will buy it at the dollar rate. And if they want to sell a lot, then its price will fall. Just like oil, grain or any other product.

[dzvero]

The pegging to the dollar mainly deals with the trade in paper certificates, of which three times more are issued than all physical gold. And even small volumes - production, jewelry, etc. It seems to me that trading in large volumes does not occur on the exchange, but "in the shadow" and on other conditions.

PS. There is not enough information on this article. Either the government of the Russian Federation solves internal problems plus reinsurance against freezing / confiscating funds, or this step is the beginning of a massive rejection of US debt obligations. In the latter case, the world expects major upheavals.

[DRA-75]

Quote: voyaka uh

The gold rate is floating, pegged to the dollar. When someone starts selling a lot of gold, their price drops.

These are all sorts of usurious courses .. But in Russia we always had it and paid !!!

[voyaka uh]

Canada, for example, recently completely sold its gold reserve.
But the Canadian dollar has not depreciated from this. There is no connection between the country's gold reserves and the hardness of this country's currency.

[Totah155]

Quote: DRA-75

Slowly, slowly, and we’ll finish the dollar..You look there and China will follow us ..
Looks like a little gold is buying up quietly, it is by far the hardest currency in the world.!

Press harder.
Left just a little bit.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Russia sensational threw off about half of the investment in American debt

Rush?
Would also fix it.

Significant, however, nothing.

[Mikhail Zubkov]

At last! Maybe we’ll have time to go to 0 before we are buried? They have been trying on for a long time ... So far we have been brazenly robbed of units of billions, but dozens are in line. It’s not in vain that the Ukronatsiks rattle around in international arbitrations and courts - they need to buy and punch the decisions they need to recover Russian assets — this is organizing a “legal cover” for the Americans. And not only them ...

[Victor_B]

It seems that our Central Bank began to guess something!
On the third day, the Vigilant Falcon saw that there was no fourth wall in his cell ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Victor_B

On the third day, the Vigilant Falcon saw that there was no fourth wall in his cell ...

... And the bread that they give him has already eaten once ... And they also drank water ...

[rotor]

Under the constant sanction pressure on our country, it’s dangerous to keep money in the United States, it’s not even a day and the gangsters will freeze the accumulated billions with difficulty, as they did with Kazakhstan, freezing over $ 22 billion. Yes, and if there was a conflict with the United States, they would rob without hesitation.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: rotor

Yes, and if there was a conflict with the United States, the robber did not hesitate.

In the event of a conflict with the United States, there will be no one to rob in this world.

[Lena Petrova]

Everything went to this. There is no trust in partners. You can see neither money, nor chairs. I hope that in a month or two they will throw off the remnants of these linden papers. And it’s very good to maintain hundreds of bases around the world at someone else’s expense. Let Nezalezhnaya, for example, buy the debts of his protege. After all, America is with us!

[axiles100682]

He doesn’t particularly make Russian investments or bids in the American debt. Saudis with the Germans have already bought them and they will not have a bad percentage. Here, if we were supported by China, also Brazil, South Africa, etc. Already today we would have seen America’s card

[Lena Petrova]

We are the corek of America no difference. The main thing is now the headache of the Germans and Saudis. Let them get their%. :))

[Rostislav]

will not have a bad percentage.

The treasury rate is one of the lowest, what income can we talk about at a 2,922% rate on 10-year bonds? Just compare this rate with the inflation rate, for example, of Brazil, - 2,95% for 2017.
And where is the "not a bad percentage"?
For general development, you can independently see inflation rates in other countries and be glad for how much they “earn” on these investments.

[region58]

Quote: Rostislav

Treasury rate is one of the lowest

There is such a concept - liquidity, and here these competitors are few or no at all - you can sell them in seconds, if not faster.

[dmitry_den]

Apparently, the cream of society is preparing for a grand schucher after Medvedev’s appointment as prime minister, raising his retirement age, gas prices and VAT

the flight of the liberal leader of pre-revolutionary Russia Kerensky

[Hole puncher]

The news is certainly wonderful, more than 2 trillion. rubles, but ....
1. Why do we learn about this from the Americans?
2. If for the execution of THEIR plans these trillions were not enough and VAT and retirement age are raised under this sauce, then where will this money go?

[Vadim237]

This money will be transferred to European securities.

[dmitry_den]

Quote: Puncher

where will this money go?

[On the Armor]

Quote: sagitch

My 65, but I'm in the North, was waiting through 2,5. Conceived the move, and another 5 years of the North! Tired of the sun is not visible, dullness, rain, worse than in foggy Albion!

As I understand you. He himself has recently taken away his sore legs. )

[Captain45]

Quote: On The Armor Train

Quote: sagitch
My 65, but I'm in the North, was waiting through 2,5. Conceived the move, and another 5 years of the North! Tired of the sun is not visible, dullness, rain, worse than in foggy Albion!

As I understand you. He himself has recently taken away his sore legs. )

As stated in one film: "In our business, the main thing is to get away in time!"

[kartalovkolya]

Well, well, when will the Central Bank of Russia finally be taken out of control of the US Federal Reserve? And they again "... for a pittance ..."! We must radically revise the policy of our financial and economic structures and make sure that they work for the interests of Russia and its citizens, and not "cave in" under far from friendly forces for us, Of course, the easiest way to do so-called "pension reform", and not seriously deal with the rise of the country and the welfare of citizens!

[On the Armor]

Quote: DRA-75

You look there and China will follow us ..

Hope in China. and don’t be bad!

[On the Armor]

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

a hundred times everything will change until all instances pass, and you have already raised the screech

When it passes, then it will be too late to scream.

[udincev]

The US Treasury Department published data on the volume of foreign investments in US debt ...

They will not publish at such a pace by the end of the year that the Russian Federation has not invested, but should it?
Then there may be a mistake with the PF: it turns out that the survival period is much higher than the calculated-statistical ... and taxes that were not supposed to be raised ....

[Snail N9]

I understand that the “plasticine” in the heads of those present is not enough to understand the reason for the “decrease” in investments in US securities .... But the reason is simple: Russia has “NO CURRENCY”! to carry out foreign trade activities and to pay off her debt obligations, and she is forced to use "treasuries" for this. Due to the sanctions, Russia has blocked all official ways of obtaining loans from Western and .... Asian (Chinese including) banks, and therefore Russia simply has nowhere to take the currency in addition to selling treasuries or using them as collateral in trade transactions , that is - Russia - BANKRUPT! “Securities” is a kind of “nest” for all states in order to pay off creditors, in case of force majeure circumstances, obviously these “circumstances” for Russia have already arrived. This is also evident in today's article at the top that Russia was “chopped off” and no one buys the opportunity to earn currency by selling its foreign loan bonds .... Here is this article https://topcor.ru/1662-rossijskij-gosdolg-bolshe -
nikomu-ne-interesen.html So what's the deal ... Or do you think that refusing pensions, raising VAT is “in order to increase the future well-being of citizens, increase their income” - as the government “sings” about it "? Well ..... to reassure, you can take it all, a sort of next HPP ....

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Snail N9

.This article

Well this is an article by Sergei Marzhetsky himself Which promised that Japan would take the Kuril Islands. Wait no?

Quote: Snail N9

Well ..... to reassure, you can take it all, a sort of next HSP

Snail, you thought up the correct nickname for yourself, while you crawl, you’ll reach you. Or maybe not

[Snail N9]

Yes .... where too, to me, miserable ....

[gespenst45]

Yes, it’s a little all wrong, here in Russia Ukraine stands by the side with outstretched hands and almost outstretched legs, and with its own civil war, where Ukrainians themselves can’t figure it out. "America is also stolen with its debt, Russia is simply confused whether it is worth paying for America, which, with the advent of Trump, generally got seven Fridays a week. That's all. And the people in Russia have already retired For a long time I forgot - he simply does not physically live up to it, because with this policy, people have already squeezed out all the juices from a lemon, no job, no salary, no pension with medicine, no housing, so now there’s also age thrown, so that means the remaining people as a meal to use.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Snail N9, don’t talk nonsense, Russia's gold and foreign exchange reserves are almost $ 2000 trillion, gold reserves are XNUMX tons, we are one of the largest in terms of these indicators and they grow every month. So your shot didn’t work.

[Snail N9]

It is very, very difficult to sell physical gold on the foreign market for currency; first, you need to convert it to “gold futures” - you must obtain IMF permission (this is a whole procedure) and, in addition, because of the fuss and low liquidity of the gold futures, they used in foreign trade. But treasury is a highly liquid asset, it can easily be sold and used as collateral in foreign trade activities. There are the following explanations where Russia could have made so many treasuries "or bought something huge, or took a loan somewhere on their bail or threw off for quick repayment of its foreign debt. I personally think that the" last "given that in Due to the threat of sanctions from the United States, holders of Russian securities began to drop them en masse -Russia had to urgently find reserves on the foreign market for their quick repayment.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Snail, will you explain to me the economist and auditor how to sell gold? Yes, you do not understand this niche compared to me, do not meddle and do not disgrace. Everything else - especially your wet fantasies, I emphasize: the gold reserves of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation are growing EVERY month this year, see reports, even a fifth of this amount has not gone anywhere.

[Snail N9]

Judging by how you "post" (Copy-Paste) the same thing, you liked the "bullshit" (that "America is fast-poking") several times, at the bottom of this forum thread (probably for better “persuasiveness”, though it’s not clear who you want to convince yourself of this or someone else ) You're still that "economist" ...

[Snail N9]

Yes, and if in Russia there are all such “economists” and “auditors” like you, then it becomes clear why she does not have money for pensions to the population ... And, at the same time, when there is time, read about how the state can trade gold on the foreign market - what is needed for this, apparently, in your "economic" education "in this matter is a gap ....

[123456789]

International reserves of the Russian Federation have been growing since 2015 (I did not find data before) and amount to: billion US dollars
Date Volume
08.06.2018 461,0

[Rostislav]

Correct solution. There should be no more money in yusovskih papers than their investments in Russia. And to pass the appropriate law in advance - in case of any problems with Russian investments in the states, American assets in Russia will be automatically nationalized.
Although such a move may scare off state investors who know the unpredictability of the White House better than others, worrying about the safety of their funds is worth it, all the more so since the states are in the top ten in terms of investments in the Russian economy.

[vladimirvn]

Pie, he is alone. And he became less. Those in power will not only not diminish their piece, but will also take it.

[Million]

"last year, the level of Russian investment in American debt securities amounted to more than $ 100 billion"
I don’t understand something: Medvedev says that the Russian economy will be saved by investments, and they themselves will invest in the American economy. How so?

[-Pollux]

Quote: Million

I don’t understand something: Medvedev says that investments will save the Russian economy

Then Medvedev is brazenly lying

[BAI]

Cayman islands - 15 billion.

These grandees of the world economy touch me:

area - 264 km². The population is 54. (397). Over 2010/4 of the population lives on the island of Grand Cayman. The administrative center is the city of Georgetown.

The main occupations of the population are tourist services and growing turtles.

And no questions - where did the money come from?

[Snail N9]

But, from July 1, every Russian will have to prove where he got the money from: https://publizist.ru/blogs/107563/25467/1?utm_sou
rce = finobzor.ru In the "presents" showered from the "newly elected" government ....

[Muvka]

Quote: Snail N9

https://publizist.ru/blogs/107563/25467/1?utm_sou
rce = finobzor.ru

This fake has long been disassembled. Go to the Consultant and see this article. No edits to it are planned in July.

[Snail N9]

“Fake” and not really “fake” - earlier the bank provided information only when a “case” was initiated, and now it is obliged to automatically “calendar” provide all data on accounts of individuals to check the “movement” of funds to them by tax authorities. https://www.9111.ru/user-2288577/topics/t355687-s
-1-iyulya-nalogovaya-budet-otslezhivat-postupleni
e-deneg-na-scheta-rossiyan-statya-obnovlena /

[Muvka]

If it’s not a fake, show me a document that talks about these amendments. Just a document, not messages on social networks and yellow newspapers.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Yes, you will not wait for any document from him, just to throw this troll on a fan, there is a two-bit system

[ultra]

Offshore, money can be from anywhere.

[populist]

BAI
Cayman Islands - $ 15 billion.

These grandees of the world economy touch me:

Most likely this is Amer’s “back pocket” for financial fraud. Everyone in the world knows this, but they are silent.

[Antares]

Quote: BAI

These grandees of the world economy touch me:

Well, this is how Panama had the largest fleet ...
offshore zone.

[Vladimir K.]

I am surprised that Ireland occupies the third place in the list of American creditors, because their economy is far from the most powerful.

[Snail N9]

Ireland is also offshore .... "smoke" the Internet .... And do not believe it, but even some of the US states are offshore ...

[Sarmat Sanych]

The United States expects a default in 8-10 years if the authorities do not go to a significant reduction in government spending, Congressman Andy Biggs said in an interview with Fox News. The parliamentarian notes that the budget allocation in 2018 amounted to $ 1,3 trillion, while they should not exceed $ 700 billion. “This is a“ gauge effect. ”The road we are following is not the best, and we know it, but leaving it and getting the best is painful. They (the congressmen) believe that this will result in big political losses. But if we don’t do it, every day of delay will deprive us of some options with which we could solve the problem. This is the real problem: we have a structural deficit. We spend more than we get and are forced to borrow. " Biggs expressed the opinion that the authorities have no more than 10 years to solve the problem - by 2026, the fund for the Medicare program for the elderly will be depleted. Answering the host’s question about the “debt bomb,” the explosion of which will destroy the US economy, Biggs replied: “Yes. I think we are moving to the abyss.” "It will be possible to devalue the money, default or raise taxes and kill your economy. These are our options in 8-10 years. And I think it's just unfair to put this on future generations."
Earlier it was reported that by the end of 2018, the US Treasury predicts a deficit of $ 833 billion - 25% higher than in 2017. According to estimates by the Congressional Budget Office, the budget deficit will exceed 2019 billion in 981, and $ 2020 trillion in 1. Just a year ago, the Congressional Budget Office believed that the trillion would be discussed no earlier than 2022.

[123456789]

Quote: Snail N9

Ireland is also offshore .... "smoke" the Internet .... And do not believe it, but even some of the US states are offshore ...

Why not the Russian Federation and become an offshore ...

[Snail N9]

The idea, by the way, is sound ... But an offshore is not "just like that" - here you need to have a "world-class" roof and very good lawyers (and an entire company-firm), also world-class. Russia has neither one nor the other. In addition, Russia is already under sanctions and "under the hood" ....

[Old military officer]

Well, to me something! As the pension was below average, it remains. This game is not mine. It is unfortunate that my children and grandchildren will suffer from this. Mine means my peers from the first post-war generation, and not just me personally. Those people who worked honestly and conscientiously in the Soviet Union and many of whom the bourgeois government deprived of several years of service (from 1 to the 7th, in my case XNUMX). Not weak, right? And those debts that we did not boast about.

[Boa kaa]

Not bad! From 109 billion in 2017 to 48,7 billion in April, 2018 threw dummies. If China does the same, the States will have to tight! Some Saudis will not pull financing their economies.

[Vadim237]

What they will have is that the US economy is growing at 4% per year.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Vadim237

the US economy is growing at 4% per year.

See the structure of this "growth". Services and other informatics are not a very real sector of the economy. Yes, and with their statistics, they say not everything is going smoothly. Therefore, they are talking about BUBBLE, ready to burst. Securities are not factories. Apparently, therefore, the realists brought Donald to power in order to improve the economy and return PRODUCTION back to the States.

[voyaka uh]

"Services and other informatics - not a very real sector of the economy" ////

Services include both research and the sale of patents and licenses.
And in computer science - the creation of software.
Do you, apparently, think that the “real” plant for tailoring blouses is more important?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: voyaka uh

Do you, apparently, think that the “real” plant for tailoring blouses is more important?

I am for the real, not virtual, sector of the economy.
Remember the story of the Mistrals, when everyone shouted that, thank God, money was saved. But in the Eureka you can’t swim by sea and you can’t transport equipment to Syria!
It’s the same with software-- you won’t put it on bread and don’t put it on your bare ass! Yes, it is very important for the digital economy, but this is the 6 technology. And we still did not get out of 4.
So, "C'mon, banana Nem!"

[Vadim237]

And the virtual sector of the economy now is tens of trillions of dollars.

[123456789]

Quote: voyaka uh

"Services and other informatics - not a very real sector of the economy" ////

Services include both research and the sale of patents and licenses.
And in computer science - the creation of software.
Do you, apparently, think that the “real” plant for tailoring blouses is more important?

Information technology is secondary

[Antares]

Quote: Vadim237

What they will have is that the US economy is growing at 4% per year.

it’s like that joke about a flowering wife and a very exhausted husband.
= The poor thing doesn’t know that tomorrow she’s got a cord!
on investments from the Russian Federation
The return on investment from the Reserve Fund and the National Welfare Fund for the year turned out to be negative and amounted to minus 0,1% per annum, the Ministry of Finance said.
We are talking about the funds that the government holds in the accounts of the Central Bank in the form of a currency basket, consisting of 45% of US dollars, 45% of euros and 10% of pounds. They are accounted for as part of the international reserves of the Russian Federation and are invested in government bonds of foreign countries.
On euro accounts, the loss amounted to 0,76% per annum, investments in British securities brought losses of 0,16% per annum.
A positive result was recorded only on investments in the US public debt - 0,57% per annum, but it was not enough to compensate for losses on other foreign exchange assets.
In general, there is a good reason to move away from the most profitable investment from investments that were immediately bought up by others.
Given the upcoming repayments, $ 55 billion will be withdrawn from the market, which can give confidence to the US dollar, which is already in an uptrend.

[Sarmat Sanych]

The United States expects a default in 8-10 years if the authorities do not go to a significant reduction in government spending, Congressman Andy Biggs said in an interview with Fox News. The parliamentarian notes that the budget allocation in 2018 amounted to $ 1,3 trillion, while they should not exceed $ 700 billion. “This is a“ gauge effect. ”The road we are following is not the best, and we know it, but leaving it and getting the best is painful. They (the congressmen) believe that this will result in big political losses. But if we don’t do it, every day of delay will deprive us of some options with which we could solve the problem. This is the real problem: we have a structural deficit. We spend more than we get and are forced to borrow. " Biggs expressed the opinion that the authorities have no more than 10 years to solve the problem - by 2026, the fund for the Medicare program for the elderly will be depleted. Answering the host’s question about the “debt bomb,” the explosion of which will destroy the US economy, Biggs replied: “Yes. I think we are moving to the abyss.” "It will be possible to devalue the money, default or raise taxes and kill your economy. These are our options in 8-10 years. And I think it's just unfair to put this on future generations."
Earlier it was reported that by the end of 2018, the US Treasury predicts a deficit of $ 833 billion - 25% higher than in 2017. According to estimates by the Congressional Budget Office, the budget deficit will exceed 2019 billion in 981, and $ 2020 trillion in 1. Just a year ago, the Congressional Budget Office believed that the trillion would be discussed no earlier than 2022.

[Vadim237]

"The United States expects default in 8-10 years." They will not have 100% any default either in 10 or in 20 and 30 years.

[kakvastam]

What they will have is that the US economy is growing at 4% per year.

Well, with such tricks as an annuity, you can not draw such growth ...

[Vadim237]

No tricks - the US economy is growing and there are fewer unemployed.

[kakvastam]

None, say ...
The trouble is that the calculation result is determined by its method, and the US GDP is considered very creative, as is the number of unemployed. We also won the number of the poor with one stroke of the pen halved - it became much easier for them to live?
Another thing is that there really is a revival, but structural problems still do not think to disappear.

[-Pollux]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Some Saudis will not pull financing their economies.

The USA has Germany, Japan, South Korea ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Pollux

The USA has Germany, Japan, South Korea ...

I don’t know how the last two countries are, but Germany is already beginning to see clearly after the introduction of duties on imported cars and spare parts by the States. In addition, the Yankees will not bring good pressure on firms using Amish components.

[kunstkammer]

Quote: serg.shishkov2015

but for 2028 we will have a new president

How can you think so? How dare you say so? Are you against Russia? Are you a liberal? Are you working out a cookie?
Putin forever! Putin is our hero! Putin mind, honor and conscience of our time!
Citizens! We support our dear helmsman, we will refuse pensions forever. Do not fall for the machinations of the West - do not dream about retirement! These are bad and harmful thoughts. Who does not refuse pension - the enemy and hire the State Department!

[123456789]

Quote: kunstkammer

Quote: serg.shishkov2015

but for 2028 we will have a new president

How can you think so? How dare you say so? Are you against Russia? Are you a liberal? Are you working out a cookie?
Putin forever! Putin is our hero! Putin mind, honor and conscience of our time!
Citizens! We support our dear helmsman, we will refuse pensions forever. Do not fall for the machinations of the West - do not dream about retirement! These are bad and harmful thoughts. Who does not refuse pension - the enemy and hire the State Department!

Only provide work

[Cheldon]

For the United States, this discharge is like an ant bite for an elephant. This action is more like a distraction of the electorate from internal problems.

[NordUral]

The news is good, it seems, but what is behind it?

[gespenst45]

You listen to our government - you’ll listen to it, but in fact it’s the other way around. Just like in Utesov’s song “Everything is fine, marquise!” AND REALLY PEOPLE, for the most part, simply do not live to be sixty !!! !! This is to mean that people were dying directly at workplaces !!! So that the government could not pay the majority of the population and not bother with medicine, so that people should not be treated properly, but right away in the coffin and in the cemetery !!! Since 1993 till 2007 I worked as a turner at the factory, and so with whom I began my working career at the factory, and with whom I finished it, after eleven years, no one was left alive !!!!!! At that pace, soon and to the common graves will come !!! And the table is a complete lie, there are only a few people living up to seventy-one years !!!! And in general, what kind of government that is systematically doing everything to destroy its own people !!! What headless things must be in order to adopt such stupid laws !!!

[Dart]

I read the comments, and realized what the fouum had become. But a very offensive word. I haven’t written here for a long time, but it’s just that the fun ended. Admins, ay, remove me from the squad, I do not want and I will not lose anything!

[Chicha squad]

You can just not come here. This is elementary.

[123456789]

Quote: Dart

I read the comments, and realized what the fouum had become. But a very offensive word. I haven’t written here for a long time, but it’s just that the fun ended. Admins, ay, remove me from the squad, I do not want and I will not lose anything!

If you can’t write, don’t write.
And you can’t, do not write without a soul!
Do not rush,
because no one is rushing you.
Do not write,
than to write completely wrong.
Do not strive
clothe your thoughts in rhyme.
Don't be disgraced
allowing yourself to be exposed
in that no
you have nothing for your soul
what a poet
you are mediocre, but big mediocrity.
Touched
a couple of lines from all of its lines.
Pray
to write something on time
before that,
like a haze over a brick pipe
will be
what once was you.
In the smoke
an equally ghostly life result,
as in everything
what can you say for life in a rhyme could.

[Zebus]

Prepare a platform for negotiations or "Annushka spilled oil" ...

[Zolotse]

People, you add to this the joy of retirement points, if you do not have enough, then you will retire another 5 years later. Men 70 years old, women in 68 liters. For many citizens this means never. And how, for example, a woman will pick them up if she brings up children. For each child only 1, 6 points. That's what the calls for raising demographics are. If a person does not have enough points (there is little official experience), it’s easier for him not to pay taxes at all, everything will be given early at 70, will he survive

[Vadim237]

There is only one conclusion - to save for retirement now.

[Totah155]

The detachment did not notice the loss of a fighter ... (C)

[Andrey VOV]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: dison

How tired of all of you already with this pension issue. Open a separate forum for yourself and whine there as much as you like, there is nothing to foul the rest of the news.

there are many military pensioners, are you suggesting that they shut up? Can you switch to "Dom-2"? There all the news is very relevant

Are you a military pensioner? How much length of service? Where did you serve in what positions? What is the size of your pension and where do you live now?

[Andrey VOV]

Quote: gespenst45

You listen to our government - you’ll listen to it, but in fact it’s the other way around. Just like in Utesov’s song “Everything is fine, marquise!” AND REALLY PEOPLE, for the most part, simply do not live to be sixty !!! !! This is to mean that people were dying directly at workplaces !!! So that the government could not pay the majority of the population and not bother with medicine, so that people should not be treated properly, but right away in the coffin and in the cemetery !!! Since 1993 till 2007 I worked as a turner at the factory, and so with whom I began my working career at the factory, and with whom I finished it, after eleven years, no one was left alive !!!!!! At that pace, soon and to the common graves will come !!! And the table is a complete lie, there are only a few people living up to seventy-one years !!!! And in general, what kind of government that is systematically doing everything to destroy its own people !!! What headless things must be in order to adopt such stupid laws !!!

I always guessed people, working professions, but men, but we thump like horses ... And then we complain, oh damn, died early

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Andrey VOV

but men, but we thump like horses ... And then we complain, oh damn, he died early

I don’t drink, I don’t drink at all, sports (fishing, hunting rarely started to work out, there’s no time), there’s still a lot of interesting things, and so what? But I really have to work like a horse, I haven’t been on vacation for two years. And among my friends who exactly thumps, not at all. Of course, not everyone is involved in sports, but here's how horses work, wherever I look. Time you know this, thanks to the "elites", there is no time to rest, so the bulk of the population has no time to thump. Therefore, if you want to talk about the drunk, lazy, and therefore guilty population itself, you will not meet your grateful readers here. It’s better to go to England right away. (They like such stamps very much) Settle next to Shuvalov’s house, maybe he will drop by you, or maybe Abramovich (now if they let him go), well, or someone else from the “elite”. And “our” elite will like such a mood as they like: well, how do they thump themselves, they themselves die, therefore they themselves will not survive to retirement age, ungrateful.

[Alsur]

Quote: 210ox

My year-1963 will probably be the first to be touched by -65 years old .. And as for the petition, maybe it's empty, or maybe not. Maybe GDP will still play the "good king" ... Although it is unlikely .. They are on another planet .

Quote: sagitch

So, Rulers with one stroke of a pen crossed out plans of millions of citizens of pre-retirement age. If half a year of addition for a year of work. You can still painful, but survive. Yes, and they offended women, just eight!
The petition is already somewhere on the Internet. Let’s try to reach the rulers in a civilized manner.

I would play if there was a tough reaction of the population, but it is not. Patience and loyalty, one of our main qualities. It’s good, anyway, no alien uncle can. Only we and the power we have chosen can solve our problems. It’s bad when our patience is abused. Then there are revolutions.

[123456789]

Quote: ALSur

Then there are revolutions.

“For the revolution, it is not enough that the lower classes do not want to live as before. It also requires that the tops could not manage and manage, as before. ”

[Operator]

It is also interesting how the largest foreign agents disguised themselves as domestic media, such as the Dutch Yandex and the Cypriot RBC, pierced this news as a simple reduction in current Russian transfers to American state bonds, and not as a massive withdrawal of Russian money from the United States.

Yandex and RBC - a means of information war against the Russian Federation.

[Украинец]

Are you talking about retirement age again ????
Calm down already. This is not the most important thing in life !!!
Take a look around. Compare. With Ukraine, for example. Housing and communal services at 500% minimum soared. And try something blather! You’ll become Putin’s troll right away
I'm already silent about retirement age

[123456789]

Quote: Ukrainian

Are you talking about retirement age again ????
Calm down already. This is not the most important thing in life !!!
Take a look around. Compare. With Ukraine, for example. Housing and communal services at 500% minimum soared. And try something blather! You’ll become Putin’s troll right away
I'm already silent about retirement age

It doesn’t matter that the cow is dead; the trouble is that the neighbor is alive.

[Sarmat Sanych]

The United States expects a default in 8-10 years if the authorities do not go to a significant reduction in government spending, Congressman Andy Biggs said in an interview with Fox News. The parliamentarian notes that the budget allocation in 2018 amounted to $ 1,3 trillion, while they should not exceed $ 700 billion. “This is a“ gauge effect. ”The road we are following is not the best, and we know it, but leaving it and getting the best is painful. They (the congressmen) believe that this will result in big political losses. But if we don’t do it, every day of delay will deprive us of some options with which we could solve the problem. This is the real problem: we have a structural deficit. We spend more than we get and are forced to borrow. " Biggs expressed the opinion that the authorities have no more than 10 years to solve the problem - by 2026, the fund for the Medicare program for the elderly will be depleted. Answering the host’s question about the “debt bomb,” the explosion of which will destroy the US economy, Biggs replied: “Yes. I think we are moving to the abyss.” "It will be possible to devalue the money, default or raise taxes and kill your economy. These are our options in 8-10 years. And I think it's just unfair to put this on future generations."
Earlier it was reported that by the end of 2018, the US Treasury predicts a deficit of $ 833 billion - 25% higher than in 2017. According to estimates by the Congressional Budget Office, the budget deficit will exceed 2019 billion in 981, and $ 2020 trillion in 1. Just a year ago, the Congressional Budget Office believed that the trillion would be discussed no earlier than 2022.

[123456789]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

The US is waiting for default in 8-10 years,

Or the padis will die or donkey speak

[Leshy1975]

"in March 2018, the volume of investments amounted to 96,1 billion dollars, and in April fell to 48,7 billion."
To understand whether this is good or not, I would like to know where 47,4 billion went. Maybe there is someone who will tell you where we transferred these funds. Or, if they didn’t invest in anything, then where did they do it?

[samarin1969]

Quote: bulvas

everyone who receives a “gray” salary is a thief, no better than an official-embezzler
Together they steal much more and shout about injustice in a chorus much louder
There would be no gray salaries - would not have to raise the retirement age

You are right, dear. Freelancers and “serosarplatniks”, as well as workshops and masters of cash-out schemes, are the authors of the pension “reform”.

[sdc_alex]

Quote: samarin1969

Freelancers

freelancers, by the way, pay taxes ... though not all.
For example, I deduct in full ..

[Snail N9]

Freelancers and “serosarplatniks”, as well as workshops and masters of cash-out schemes, are the authors of the pension “reform”.

Lying. The "authors" of the pension reform company are registered in offshore and thus "optimize" taxes, the system of VAT refunds through subsidiaries, "gray schemes", "outsourcing", guest workers and banks pumping money out of the population through high credit interest with their subsequent conversion into the currency and withdrawal from the country ....

[Andrey VOV]

Quote: Leshy1975

Quote: Andrey VOV

but men, but we thump like horses ... And then we complain, oh damn, he died early

I don’t drink, I don’t drink at all, sports (fishing, hunting rarely started to work out, there’s no time), there’s still a lot of interesting things, and so what? But I really have to work like a horse, I haven’t been on vacation for two years. And among my friends who exactly thumps, not at all. Of course, not everyone is involved in sports, but here's how horses work, wherever I look. Time you know this, thanks to the "elites", there is no time to rest, so the bulk of the population has no time to thump. Therefore, if you want to talk about the drunk, lazy, and therefore guilty population itself, you will not meet your grateful readers here. It’s better to go to England right away. (They like such stamps very much) Settle next to Shuvalov’s house, maybe he will drop by you, or maybe Abramovich (now if they let him go), well, or someone else from the “elite”. And “our” elite will like such a mood as they like: well, how do they thump themselves, they themselves die, therefore they themselves will not survive to retirement age, ungrateful.

I didn’t write about the drunken population and did not intend to write, this is, firstly, secondly I myself work and not in the capitals, and your message to the oligarchs in England, not to me

[Leshy1975]

Cleverly, and the quote: "but men, but we thump like horses ... And then we complain, oh damn died early" This is not about the population? Or is it about the oligarchs? Well, yes, if they didn’t very successfully express what they wanted, God be with him.

[Berkut24]

However, this did not change the overall situation, as others decided to invest more significantly in American debt.

As long as there are fools in the world,
By deception, we live, therefore, with our hands. (with)

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The Central Bank most likely decided to reduce investments in US government bonds because of the risk of freezing them completely ... Although investments were very profitable, $ 100 billion at 3% per annum yielded $ 3 billion in profit ... That would be enough for 1000 per year tanks T-90 MS ...

So when you whine that Russia is financing the USA in vain, remember that the money there was under %%, and very good ... To compare government bonds of the EU countries now generally with a negative rate, long-term loans are about 0%, and gold is difficult to fulfill settlement operations ...

[Lena Petrova]

Quote: region58

There is such a concept - liquidity, and here there are few or no competitors to these securities - you can sell them in seconds, if not faster

Yes, you can. And MMM in the 92nd could be quickly sold. And then no longer. But the MMM went bankrupt and there was no money, and the United States can simply freeze them (take them away, on a far-fetched pretext).

[region58]

Quote: Lena Petrova

shtatovtsy can simply freeze them

They can. They will not do worse than this to themselves except to themselves.

[Lena Petrova]

Why so? And where is Gaddafi’s money, for example? You can declare any tyrant and expropriate in one way or another means. Or freeze and demand concessions on contentious issues. The demonization process is already running. All kinds of left-handed chemical attacks, creaked, imaginary seizures of territories, support for objectionable regimes. And now - once, and you are an accomplice of terrorism, with all that it implies. An attempt by the London shmon, is the first swallow. So it is better not to play with a sharpie at all than to prove later that he cheated. And% do not need it.

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Quote: Lena Petrova

And% do not need it.

And what are you storing? In the Mongolian tugriks ...

[Lena Petrova]

In rubles. $ 15 years did not pick up.

[region58]

Quote: Lena Petrova

And where is Gaddafi’s money, for example?

Where is Treasurer and where is Gaddafi? What is the connection?

Quote: Lena Petrova

An attempt by the London shmon, is the first swallow.

Again, what does treasury have to do with it?

Quote: Lena Petrova

But the MMM went bankrupt and there was no money, and the United States can simply freeze them

As you correctly noted the rejection of debt obligations means only one thing - bankruptcy. I hope you remember about our default. So far, no prerequisites have been seen for the US Treasury to go bankrupt.

[Leshy1975]

sdc_alex,

Quote: sdc_alex

That’s why it’s a “goblin” to ask idiotic questions laughing

Provokes a leshochk.

Why provoke you? If you are like loaves in a pan, everything is spinning, but you cannot answer a single specific question. Yes, and with your logic is weak. Do you know why? You are lying a lot, because it turns out awkwardly, therefore you cannot answer specific questions. But I understand you, It’s not an easy job to drag a hippopotamus (i.e. GDP) from a swamp. Guys, get overwhelmed.