Without counterbalance Ukrainian "Gyurza" is not dangerous

Artillery armored “Gyurza-M”, recently adopted by the Ukrainian Navy, turned out to be practically useless for its intended purpose: guns of boats can not fire efficiently without using a “heavy brick” - a counterweight to improve stability and stabilize the combat module.

As noted blogger Diana Mikhailova, this flaw was noticed by experts while watching a video published by the Ukrainian military. The video shows the boat "Lubny", arrived at the end of last year in Odessa for the final tests. At the end of the video, the “element of the declared stabilization system” falls into the frame, that is, a counterbalance of at least 100 kg, fixed inside the combat module.

On the Web, the Ukrainian “original technology” has been heavily criticized. From the military demanded to demonstrate the results of shooting on the wave, at least in 2 points.

In the meantime, from the "weighty brick" the impression of an early maturing palliative, acceptable somewhere on the river or as a maximum in the "tyxen bay", writes the user EDU.

Another user (Igor_More) noted that placing the “brick” in the module for the counterweight can cause the “pathogen to remain calm from the carrier”.



Involuntarily recalls a prototype of the Ukrainian An-178 aircraft, in which ballast weights in 1,3 tons were used to ensure normal alignment.

Comments

[TermNachTer]

The whole value of these boats lies in the fact that they are being built by the Lenin Forge factory, which belongs to Parashenko.

[Pirogov]

Quote: TermNachTER

The whole value of these boats lies in the fact that they are being built by the Lenin Forge factory, which belongs to Parashenko.

I agree. And it’s very impudent, I still won’t get drunk. ..........

[Vard]

Typhoon was tested ... Hydrofoil ship ... When the stabilization system was turned on, the water in the glass was trembling .... Three ball storm

[jjj]

They will feel the error of the project very quickly. Here the Ukrainians wanted to play type in stealth. The boat has virtually no deck. For a little tank and utah. The forecastle and poop are very modest. And no waist.
For a missile boat, automated and mechanized, this does not matter. Unless there is any inconvenience when mooring. But this boat is designed for tasks when deck spaces are needed: at least for the landing, at least for the inspection team, at least for a small cargo delivered with the opportunity. And there is very little space. And the complete lack of rails

[Mountain shooter]

Well, I couldn’t ... I wanted to ...
This boat - well, not a sea one. And the counterweight ... they quickly designed it.

[Bad_santa]

A boat to induce fear on poachers, and then the latter have the opportunity to leave the dangerous area in advance. when meeting with a warship on this boat, you urgently need to hang fishing nets, quickly add a new superstructure from plywood, and when the enemy approaches, wave your hand and smile sweetly

[Baloo]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well, I couldn’t ... I wanted to ...
This boat - well, not a sea one. And the counterweight ... they quickly designed it.

Poor physics is taught in Ukrainian schools or they don’t want to study, everyone jumps up ...

[TermNachTer]

What does physics have to do with it, the Moscow Region paid the full amount for the boats when they were still on the slip. Whether they swim or not, it didn’t matter at all. About shooting, it was not said at all

[Baloo]

Quote: TermNachTER

What does physics have to do with it, the Moscow Region paid the full amount for the boats when they were still on the slip. Whether they swim or not, it didn’t matter at all. About shooting, it was not said at all

Was the boat itself or was it designed by shipbuilders? By the way, and for 4 years of being disgusting or disgusting (I don’t remember, call barefoot), Ukraine has something to be proud of in shipbuilding, aircraft building, bridge building, mechanical engineering, well, at least in something. I’m here a “Russian woman from Gorlovka” - “Victoria” or whatever she asked her / him, so offended, refused to communicate.

[TermNachTer]

It was designed by people from the Roshen corporation to cut the budget, no one thought about the fleet at all.

[APASUS]

Quote: Balu

Was the boat itself or was it designed by shipbuilders? By the way, and for 4 years of being disgusting or disgusting (I don’t remember, call barefoot), Ukraine has something to be proud of in shipbuilding, aircraft building, bridge building, mechanical engineering, well, at least in something.

Actually, this boat was designed purely under the river, then the river-sea designation was inexplicably added, although this is a purely river project

[TermNachTer]

He is even for the river, under a very strong question. Because the high superstructure and combat modules are high. Stability allows you to go out with an excitement of 3 - 4 points and that is scary. And such excitement also happens on the reservoirs of the Dnieper cascade.

[alexmach]

Something I do not quite understand the essence of the controversy. According to the voiced esperts, a counterweight to a gun sticking out of the module a couple of meters ahead is not needed or what?

[TermNachTer]

There is no polemic as such. The bottom line is that the presence of a counterweight and its absence fundamentally does not change anything. Since the boat was created exclusively as a tool for cutting the budget

[alexmach]

Reason why you think so? Do you think that Ukraine does not need such boats at all?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: alexmach

You believe such Ukraine does not need boats at all?

such no one seems to need a boat ... although it’s probably suitable for a river flotilla. the point here is not a counterbalance but the absence of a stabilizer. well and illiterate ukroekspertov misleading readers
what we see on the video is really a counterweight without which apparently difficulties with guidance appear, but for some reason the Ukrainians give it out as an emulation of the stabilizer required for the navy. such a mess

[alexmach]

such boats do not seem to be needed by anyone ... although they are probably suitable for a river flotilla.

So do not need, or still fit?

it's not a counterbalance, but the lack of a stabilizer

And where did you get that about the lack of a stabilizer? Where does this come from?

what we see on the video is really a counterweight without which apparently difficulties with guidance appear, but for some reason the Ukrainians give it out as an emulation of the stabilizer required for the navy. such a mess wink

First of all, I didn’t see that on the video something pretended to be something. Secondly, you read local journalists, well, at least in VO, see what they pee.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: alexmach

And where did you get that about the lack of a stabilizer? Where does this come from?

did you watch the video? at what point did the stabilizer work there? Or are you talking about a dude with a joystick that performs the role of a stabilizer?

Quote: alexmach

First of all, I didn’t see that on the video something pretended to be something.

Ltd! you seem to not only not watch the video but also not read the article immediately to komentami ... cool!

Quote: alexmach

Secondly, you read local journalists, well, at least in VO, see what they pee.

that is, you just didn’t read the article here? and what VO articles do you read before moving on to the comment? just to decide on a circle of interests

[Petryk_Piatochkyn]

Did you watch the video? At what point did the stabilizer work there?

Stabilization works from the moment power is supplied to the drive.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Petryk_Piatochkyn

Stabilization works from the moment power is supplied to the drive.

naturally! Of course, if there is a drive ...
but the video shows that there is no stabilization ... the gun goes along with the ship.
so why wasn’t that there? power supply or drives?

[alexmach]

So there is no way to judge this by video. But of course, on every news from Ukraine it is necessary to pokahdahat and tell some Ukrainians.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: alexmach

So there is no way to judge this by video.

Stop. the fact that there is no video stabilization is a fact. the fact that ukroeksperdy rams and can not distinguish the balancer from the stabilizer is also a fact.

Quote: alexmach

But of course, on every news from Ukraine it is necessary to pokahdahat and tell some Ukrainians.

and why is it suddenly impossible to laugh at these clowns? they are trying for us
if you personally have a pain for ukroboronprom then I sympathize. to hurt her forever.
and most have fun watching this booth, and you cannot forbid laughing at clowns.

[Petryk_Piatochkyn]

It can be seen when the barrel is raised. (Before firing from a grenade launcher).

[Sanichsan]

received
however, questions about how it will be in 3-4 points remain.

[Petryk_Piatochkyn]

Just in 3-4 points that target was sunk (1,5m x 1,5m x 2m, distance 2,1 - 1,7 km).

[TermNachTer]

No seaworthiness, no weapons, no booking. What other arguments are needed?

[svp67]

guns of boats cannot conduct effective fire without the use of "heavy brick" - a counterweight to improve stability and stabilize the combat module.

It seems to me that the progenitor of these combat modules, the land BM Sturm, was designed for something lighter, such as 12,7 mm or 14,5 mm. But when switching to 30 mm, so as not to upset the balance, they had to use an additional counterweight

[Proton]

It is a sin to laugh at the wretched but something all of them comes out of manure and sticks.

[Mikelanjelo]

What kind of gamer is this at 0:40 in training and with the joystick))))))

[Petryk_Piatochkyn]

Industry representative in training

[andrewkor]

When testing the legendary Boeing-747, there was a vibration of the wings in flight. In the end, they came to a simple solution: when making a load of 500 kg for each engine pylon from plain cast iron.

[Aviator_]

If you are talking about anti-flatter balancers, then this is a standard engineering solution that shifts the center of mass forward relative to the center of stiffness. It has been used in aviation since the beginning of the 40 of the last century. And dill has something innovative.

[net0103net]

This is a good weapon, it must be recognized as fit, and the subsequent destruction in an "equal" battle with our boat of the same class should be attributed to the unpreparedness of the personnel of the Ukrainian Navy ... and it’s all about the hat. The American media do this, they constantly raise us to the pitchfork ... for the Russians, for the Russians it is ... and everything is very scary and dangerous. But then they hit us economically because it is now their strength. Therefore, in this case, you can implement a simpler scheme. Flattery - the food of fools - maydaunas should be convinced that they themselves are something without EUROSHA. Let them save trash under which we will bury them later.

[Normal ok]

Quote: net0103net

destruction in an “equal” battle with our boat of the same class

Do you think that things are better on "our armored vehicles"?

[net0103net]

We have a choice of at least three options, but they do not. Everything depends on interest. It will be necessary - they will bring the newest. The FSB will not sail on BAD boats.

[AID.S]

Involuntarily recalls a prototype of the Ukrainian An-178 aircraft, in which ballast weights in 1,3 tons were used to ensure normal alignment.

Laptop how, damn it.

[AID.S]

Involuntarily recalls a prototype of the Ukrainian An-178 aircraft, in which ballast weights in 1,3 tons were used to ensure normal alignment.

Knowh, damn it.

[123456789]

Quote: AID.S

Involuntarily recalls a prototype of the Ukrainian An-178 aircraft, in which ballast weights in 1,3 tons were used to ensure normal alignment.

Knowh, damn it.

Or how?

[TermNachTer]

Test pilots spoke about this airplane exclusively abusively. Due to the very rear alignment, the take-off is rather difficult. And if the cargo in the cabin is not placed correctly, then everything is generally bad.

[Ros 56]

Most struck by the home fan standing on the remote control in the wheelhouse to the left of the commander or helm, who he is there with them. They have on boats that stationary ventilation is not provided, do you need to take with you from home?
Py.Sy. on the 17th second of the video and then flashes again.

[Mih1974]

Elegantly, a very “stable” gloomy Khokhlyatsky genius issues “decisions” with the obligatory fucked cast-iron counterbalance.

[123456789]

A gun stabilizer on the "Bastion" is also arranged?

[Bad thing]

I will say moreover, on most systems using an arms stabilizer, there are counterbalances, regardless of the country of production, very few systems where the center of mass coincides with the axis of the pins.

[LeonidL]

But then look how the counterweight is painted qualitatively !!!! Evaluate the work of the wretched, otherwise it’s a gloomy genius and a gloomy genius ... The Teutonic genius was gloomy, which until the last minutes of World War II produced various kun pieces that were ahead of their time for decades ... and here ... No, but how well the counterweight is painted !!!!

[beeper]

The ugly, by design, “confectionery” boats and seemingly completely non-navigable, the hulls are disproportionately narrow, and the sides are littered inside (according to the stealth system, “as big” ?) - for the convenience of transportation, or something, but not for the convenience of the crew?
It becomes especially terrible for sailors when you see (on another, not this, video) such an ironing from the side going diagonally to the sea at a wavelength of 3 points (about 4-5 points and I don’t think they will be in the base?). The stabilizer of the bow installation at 3 points of unrest at sea did not have time, it was obvious to work out the longitudinal and keel pitching, it was late.
And on this vidos, with a calmer sea, on a direct course, the boat tangibly rolls from side to side. And the shooting also does not go very well, the target mark (and the cannon mount itself) does not react sensitively to the joystick guidance, or does it seem to me ?!
But the white home desktop fan, to the left of the helm, also struck me, because even in land bus-minibuses with built-in fans the order is complete, and this w-warship, for its intended purpose, and in the wake it shakes, the tabletop will fly off and even on the cheek or he will cut the elbow of the steering sailor, he will turn the helm from unexpectedness and the unstable slender cutter will make an overkill at speed ?!

[Metallurg_2]

One involuntarily recalls a prototype of the Ukrainian An-178 aircraft, in which a ballast of 1,3 tons was used to ensure normal alignment

and also recalls the American M26 tank Pershing, in which, due to the long barrel, a cast-iron counterweight weighing one and a half tons was fixed at the stern of the tower.

[Normal ok]

As noted by blogger Diana Mikhailova

No, well, Diana Mikhailova - this is of course a recognized expert in the Navy

[Zomanus]

Yes, in general, do not care. The more Ukraine spends money on these crafts,
the faster it falls apart. Yes, and we will be calmer.

[LeonidL]

Fleet unit! ... Well, well ... I think that to a unity to this mosquito as to the moon.

[Grits]

But what a terrible name ... creeping

[Royalist]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well, I couldn’t ... I wanted to ...
This boat - well, not a sea one. And the counterweight ... they quickly designed it.

Such a boat has a wide field of activity in estuaries and large rivers: to drive poachers, and they are already well-trained, various organized crime groups or RDG

[Petryk_Piatochkyn]

SanichSan, Just in 3-4 points that target was sunk (1,5m x 1,5m x 2m, distance 2,1 - 1,7 km). [Quote] [/ quote]