Hand Grenade Glashandgranate (Germany)

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Until a certain time, Hitler’s Germany did not have a shortage of resources, which allowed it to supply the army with the required output in time and in the right quantities. However, by the end of the war, the situation had seriously changed, and German industry had to look for ways to combat the shortage of materials. In particular, there was a shortage of metals and alloys, which was reflected in various industries, including the release of hand grenades. To solve this problem, along with existing products, a new one went to the series. weapon called Glashandgranate.

In the autumn of 1944, Nazi Germany, now forced to fight on two fronts, formed Volkshturm militias. Their weapons required a variety of weapons, including hand grenades. However, in the existing conditions, the industry could not quickly fulfill a mass of orders and deliver the necessary products to all army structures and militias. In addition, a new problem has emerged in the form of a growing shortage of certain materials. As a result, for the arming of the militias and, in certain circumstances, the army proposed to develop several special models that can be attributed to the conditional class of "Erzatz".



Hand Grenade Glashandgranate (Germany)
One of the surviving ersatz-grenade Glashandgranate


Volkssturm was asked to use grenades made using non-standard materials. A common feature of several such products was the absence of the usual metal body, with the explosion of crushing into fragments. In addition, it was proposed to further simplify the design of the grenade in comparison with mass-produced serial samples, as well as to use other explosives. Specific design problems were solved using the most unusual materials - concrete, paper, and even glass.

One of the new developments of the German industry was the product called Glashandgranate - "Glass hand grenade". As follows from its designation, in this case it was decided to replace the deficient metal with less expensive glass. At the same time, the grenade was supposed to use a reasonably cheap and easy to manufacture fuse of the production model.

The main element of the grenade was a case made of affordable glass. It was proposed to cast an egg-shaped body, vaguely resembling aggregates of other weapons of this class. In particular, there was a certain similarity with the Eihandgranate 38 product. At the same time technological limitations led to the appearance of noticeable differences. The main part of the body was made curved and had characteristic protrusions forming a grid. According to some reports, grenades of different series could have both a protruding grid, and intersecting grooves of shallow depth. Other samples in general could get a smooth body.

On top of the rounded case there was a relatively large mouth with a thickening along the edge. On the sides of this thickening grooves were provided. It was proposed to install a tin round cover on the neck. The lid was secured in place with a pair of hooks. When putting on the cap, they passed through the grooves of the neck, after which it could be turned and fixed. In the center of the cover there was a threaded hole for the installation of the fuse of the existing model.

Inside the glass case, an explosive charge with a mass of the order of 120 was placed. Depending on availability and supplies, an ersatz grenade Glashandgranate could have a charge from one or another explosive. In particular, cheap and easy to manufacture Nipolit was used. However, the low price of this explosive was compensated for by reduced power, and such grenades were noticeably inferior to other, equipped with TNT or ammonal.

According to known data, ready-made attack elements could be loaded into the body along with the explosive. These were wire cuts, small metal balls, etc. During the explosion, they had to fly apart in different directions, injuring the enemy. The metal parts of the grenade - the lid and the fuse - could also break into pieces and increase the impact on the target.

From a certain point of view, the Glashandgranate grenade looks like a variant of the development of the Eihandgranate 39 product. This impression is reinforced by the fact that it was proposed to use it with serial fuses such as the BZE 39 and BZ40. These devices had a similar design and used the same principle of operation. The differences between the two fuses consisted in different design features and some parameters.

Both fuses had a tubular body, inside which were a grater and a grating material. A spherical cap was fastened on top of the thread, connected to the float with a cord. The Sprengkapsel No.8 detonator capsule was placed into the case from below. Part of the fuses was equipped with a transverse bar, facilitating the removal of the cord and prevent the fuse from falling out of the grenade. Safety measures to prevent the explosion before the throw were absent.


Another product of this type. Remains of yellow paint on the fuse cap indicate a 7,5 delay with


With a sharp removal of the cord with the float, the tertiary composition ignited and it started burning the moderator. Fuses BZE39 and BZ40 were produced in different versions with different delay times - from 1 to 10. For obvious reasons, fuses with a minimum delay time were not used with grenades.

Glashandgranate grenade body without a fuse, but taking into account the metal cover, had a height of less than 80 mm. Standard diameter - 58 mm. After the installation of the fuse, regardless of its type, the height of the grenade increased to 110-112 mm. At the same time, the installed igniter did not affect the transverse dimensions of the weapon. The standard weight of a grenade at 120 g of explosive is 325 g.

It is known about the existence of several versions of the glass case, which differed in the shape and size of the external projections. In addition, there is information about the differences in equipment. Finally, ersatz grenades were completed with several variants of fuses. This means that the dimensions and mass of serial products could vary within certain limits and depended on the series. It is also possible that such parameters could differ within the same batch.

According to various sources, the mass production of new Glashandgranate grenades began at the very end of 1944 of the year or at the beginning of 1945. The products were packed in wooden boxes with a soft material transfer, for example, straw. As in the case of other weapons, the fuses were transported separately from the grenades. They should be installed in the nests of the covers immediately before use. To simplify operation, the spherical caps of the fuses had a color indicating the delay time.

Exact information about the supply and combat use of "Glass Hand Grenades" is not available, but some assumptions can be made. Weapons of this kind, made of non-standard materials, were primarily supplied to Volkssturm detachments, which, for obvious reasons, could not qualify for full-fledged army samples. It did not exclude the transfer of such weapons to the Wehrmacht or the SS, who also needed large quantities of infantry weapons, but could not always get something other than the notorious "Erzatz".

Combat use of grenades should not be different complexity. The fighter had to unscrew the ball, pull it out along with the cord, and then throw the grenade at the target. The weight and dimensions of the product made it possible to send it to a distance of 20-25 m, depending on the training of the fighter. The explosion occurred within a few seconds after pulling the cord.

The fighting qualities and impact on the target of a glass case grenades can raise certain questions. The fact is that the glass case of an explosive device can show a variety of results, both by increasing the impact on the target and without having a noticeable effect on it. Nevertheless, there is every reason to believe that the Glashandgranate grenade could pose the most serious danger to the enemy.

It is obvious that the main and most stable damaging factors of such a grenade were the shock wave and the ready fragments, preloaded inside the case. 120-gram charge could cause fatal damage to people within a radius of several meters; the fragments retained a killer action at great distances. The action of the broken glass case could be different, but it is likely that he threatened the enemy's manpower.


Fuses BZE39. On the device on the right, the cap is unscrewed and the cord is partially extended


Large glass fragments could complement small metal striking elements and enhance the destructive effect of the grenade. Such fragments are extremely difficult to detect in a wound, which made the work of military doctors difficult and led to long-term risks. Scattered on many small fragments, the body could form a cloud of glass dust and pose a threat to open areas of the body, organs of vision and respiration.

Fortunately for the soldiers of the anti-Hitler coalition, Glashandgranate grenades appeared quite late - no earlier than the very end of 1944 of the year. They could be produced in large quantities, but the exact volume of production is unknown. The available data volume and the number of surviving samples suggest that the command of military structures and militia preferred to order other options for simplified weapons, such as grenades with a concrete body.

The operation of such weapons was to continue until the end of the fighting in Europe and the surrender of Nazi Germany. After the war, the remaining grenades from non-standard materials were sent for recycling as useless. The new armies of the Federal Republic of Germany and the GDR were built with the use of other weapons that did not differ in ambiguous appearance and dubious characteristics.

Apparently, the responsible persons who carried out the disposal, did an excellent job with their work. At the moment, only a few preserved Glashandgranate grenades in one configuration or another are known. Thanks to these products, it was possible to establish that the hulls could have both external projections and grooves on the surface. They also identified some other features of the original German project.

There is reason to believe that a certain amount of "Glass Hand Grenades" can still remain on the fields of past battles. A glass case covered with a metal lid is able to protect explosives from external influences. Thus, these ersatz grenades can still be dangerous to humans, and appropriate measures should be taken when they are detected. It is unlikely that anyone would want to check on himself the fighting qualities of a glass case filled with explosives and metal fragments.

Faced with the most serious shortage of various materials, Hitlerite Germany was forced to develop special weapon designs, less expensive and demanding for raw materials. An interesting way out of this situation was the Glashandgranate hand grenade. However, it is impossible not to notice that she did not have the highest characteristics and did not differ in fighting qualities. And besides, it appeared too late and could not affect the course of the war. By the time it was created, the outcome of the Second World War was resolved, and all the desperate steps of the German command only delayed the logical final and no longer had much meaning.

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  1. +2
    16 June 2018 05: 48
    An interesting article ... I’ll add that I had the idea to make shell-free grenades with this explosive ... Physical strength allowed ... But the low resistance to shock obviously did not allow this ..
    1. +1
      16 June 2018 12: 50
      Quote: Vard
      there was an idea to make shell-free grenades ... Physical strength allowed ... But the low resistance to shock obviously did not allow to do this ..

      Well, why? During 1MV and later, home-made products were used, representing TNT blocks, "clipped" with nails, wrapped with wire ....
  2. +4
    16 June 2018 05: 54
    Good article. It spoils it only by repeated repetition of the same phrases in various variations. Probably, the lack of material forced the author to resort to this trick.
    1. +5
      16 June 2018 06: 42
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      Probably, the lack of material forced the author to resort to this trick.

      Rather - a compilation of different articles of the same type by other authors or the author. Without self-rephrasing.
      1. +10
        16 June 2018 08: 01
        This is the "corporate" style of the author. A spoonful of information is bred in a barrel of "certain" phrases of "sufficiently large" length with elements of repeated repetition.
        And to use glass for grenade cases is an ancient idea, I wrote about this in my article about F-1.

        Glass hand grenades of the grenadiers of the princes Esterhazy in the arsenal of the castle of Forchtenstein, Austria, XVIII century.
        1. +12
          16 June 2018 08: 08

          Glass hand grenades were produced in various types. They are found almost exclusively in the east of Germany - an important indicator for their use and delivery to the military. The shape, color and other features of a thick-walled glass case depended primarily on the production capabilities of the predominantly East Saxon glass industry. Some models clearly show the manufacturer’s attempts to increase the number of fragments obtained by shaping the body with notches. This was problematic, primarily due to the small specific gravity of the glass. To the most advanced model This is an egg-shaped glass grenade. With a total weight of 325 grams, 123 grams made up a charge of donarite. Some models of grenades received round and triangular striking elements added to the charge, cut from tin, to improve the fragmentation effect. For all types of glass grenades as a fuse There was a standard detonator for the M 39 grenade.
          Under the first picture:
          Comparative image of 1945 German glass grenades (left to right)
          1) Egg-shaped grenade made of glass with waffle fins. Weight 325 grams, of which 123 g. Explosives (Donarite 1 or 2). Ignition from fuse to M 39 with a 4,5 second moderator.
          2) An egg-shaped grenade made of glass with wafer recesses. Similar? 1. There were options with additional ready-made metal fragments mixed with a charge.
          3) Pomegranate made of light glass with a corrugated neck. Ignition from the fuse to M 39 with a 4,5 second moderator ..
          4) Glass grenade. The same fuse.
          5) Pomegranate made of green glass with a rough surface. Corrugated neck. The same fuse. Weight 345 g (145 g explosives)
          (https://forum.guns.ru/forum_light_message/36/125
          837.html)
          1. +9
            16 June 2018 08: 12
            In fairness, it should be noted that not only Germans made grenades from ersatz materials.

            F-1 grenades with a ceramic body are found on the territory of Latvia, on the site of the former arms depots in Tsekul. Given the fuse of Koveshnikov, this is the beginning of World War II.
            1. +1
              16 June 2018 08: 48
              Quote: Curious
              In fairness, it should be noted that not only Germans made grenades from ersatz materials.
              F-1 grenades with ceramic body

              So, when I read it, the question "Wasn't it easier / cheaper from clay?"
              And the ersatz did everything in all types of weapons. We and Il-2 (!) Had wooden ChFF. "STEN" is also, in essence, an ersatz.
              1. +1
                16 June 2018 09: 22
                The ceramics production process is also not simple. Nevertheless, the body of a grenade and a clay pot are different products.
                1. 0
                  16 June 2018 09: 50
                  Quote: Curious
                  The ceramics production process is also not simple. Nevertheless, the body of a grenade and a clay pot are different products.

                  However, there is no fundamental difference. In addition, an earthenware beer mug (we are talking about Germany :)) is also not an elementary thing. So, I think it would be someone to work with the clay body. :)
                  1. +1
                    17 June 2018 14: 45
                    However, there is no fundamental difference.

                    Well, how can I tell you. It is one thing to take silicate melt and presan in the mold, and another to make two halves of the shell on the mold, let them dry, put together and burn ... And this is with a much larger marriage.
                    1. 0
                      17 June 2018 19: 16
                      "... also on the mold to make two halves of the case, let them dry, put together and burn ..."
                      Grill, do not mislead people in a process in which you do not understand. And then the people will think that the toilet is glued from pieces.
                      1. 0
                        17 June 2018 20: 10
                        Specialist in cermet bullets, have you ever been to a glass factory? Or at least one toilet has molded?
                        Scat for the same "genius" Shpakovsky.
                    2. 0
                      17 June 2018 19: 18
                      Quote: Grille
                      However, there is no fundamental difference.

                      Well, how can I tell you. It is one thing to take silicate melt and presan in the mold, and another to make two halves of the shell on the mold, let them dry, put together and burn ... And this is with a much larger marriage.

                      Yes, I do not understand anything in the pottery business, but what is the production of a barrel-shaped pot (well, for example, in which "meat in a pot" is prepared) from a barrel-shaped grenade? After all, the manufacturing steps are the same, as I understand it. Yes, the necks vary in width relative to the overall size of the product. What else?
                      1. +1
                        17 June 2018 20: 13
                        Download the “Ceramics and Refractory Technology” textbook online and understand that pot and pomegranate are different products.
                      2. 0
                        17 June 2018 20: 13
                        In the number of manufacturing steps. On each of which marriage is possible.
                        And so I already wrote what was made of what was possible in the ways that were available at the moment and in this place.
              2. +1
                16 June 2018 20: 21
                Ouch! "Stan" crawled out again, so unloved by Viktor Nikolaevich. laughing meanwhile, the technological chain of production of a clay shell for a shell is much longer and, accordingly, more expensive (we are talking about the production capacities of Germany in the middle of the last century).
                1. 0
                  16 June 2018 20: 30
                  And what kind of clay shells for shells in the middle of the twentieth century?
                  1. +1
                    16 June 2018 21: 16
                    Viktor Nikolaevich, you scare me. "Shell", he is not only artillery.
                  2. 0
                    16 June 2018 21: 37
                    Maybe I was relaxed by the sea, but I can not adapt the clay shell to neither the boot, nor the gymnastics, nor to other shells I know.
                    1. 0
                      16 June 2018 22: 17
                      I envy. "Sea! Unas there is sea" "m / s" Masyanya ", series" Depresnyak "" (O. Kuvaev)
                      Damn, well, the shell is something equipped, the shell is the shell, isn’t it?
                      1. 0
                        16 June 2018 22: 35
                        Well, and what is your clay shell equipped with - what cow?
                2. 0
                  16 June 2018 22: 24
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  Ouch! "Stan" crawled out again, so unloved by Viktor Nikolaevich. laughing meanwhile, the technological chain of production of a clay shell for a shell is much longer and, accordingly, more expensive (we are talking about the production capacities of Germany in the middle of the last century).

                  I’m not Victor, though, and the patronymic of Viktorovich.
                  The rest of the posting is generally neither to the village, nor to the city. And look for the meaning of the word "shell" so as not to disgrace ...
                  1. +1
                    17 June 2018 02: 34
                    Well, about nothing, so about nothing. All the best to you Sergey Viktorovich.
                    PS "Shell" is a really incorrect term in this case. Laughed. It happens to me. Victor Nikolaevich - Curious.
              3. 0
                17 June 2018 10: 52
                So, when I read it, the question "Wasn't it easier / cheaper from clay?"

                Definitely more difficult. More technological operations.
                And they made of everything that came to hand and what industries were available. There was a paper mill - molded from cardboard, a coke oven battery - based on coke resin and sawdust, etc.
            2. 0
              17 June 2018 22: 52
              Information from the Internet from the site of the search association TRIZNA of 2006 -
              It was possible to find out that this miracle was produced in small batches at the LFZ (Leningrad Porcelain Factory) ...
        2. +2
          16 June 2018 11: 38
          Quote: Curious
          glass for grenade cases to apply - a very ancient idea

          I agree with you! I also wanted to recall the glass hand grenades of the 16-18 centuries, but you got ahead of me recourse At the same time, hand grenades were also made in clay cases ... So you won’t surprise us with ceramics! tongue
        3. +1
          16 June 2018 21: 36
          I completely agree that Ryabov’s theme is interesting, and the performance is disgusting. Repetitions are very annoying.
  3. +4
    16 June 2018 06: 32
    could be made of bohemian glass, with style
    1. MPN
      +6
      16 June 2018 13: 23
      Quote: Maki Avellevich
      could be made of bohemian glass, with style

      And the painting under Khokhloma would not hurt ...
  4. +4
    16 June 2018 06: 35
    Glass is an X-ray transparent material ... you will find pieces of figs.
    1. +3
      16 June 2018 09: 56
      Quote: Strashila
      Glass is an X-ray transparent material ... you will find pieces of figs.


      firstly during the first world with x-rays it was not a lot at all.
      secondly as it is not gentlemanly.
      ps, our restless Arabs lubricate the nuts in shahid belts with feces, sometimes so that it is more satisfying. sometimes with chemicals, in the mood.
      1. +1
        16 June 2018 10: 06
        And your countrymen just add coarse sand.
        1. +1
          16 June 2018 14: 05
          Quote: Strashila
          And your countrymen just add coarse sand.


          I didn’t know that the Jews were undermining themselves with belts. century live ..
          1. +3
            16 June 2018 16: 26
            No, they undermine their opponents ... the so-called ammunition of a limited radius of destruction. The radius of damage is not more than 10 m due to the high explosive effect, but in the explosives they use a filler, including coarse quartz sand. If a person came near such an explosion, then open areas of the body look like they are pierced with needles ... a terrible thing, a person begins to rot from the inside of grains of sand. The grit in the explosion is heated, but retains its hardness, breaks through soft tissue due to temperature, simply brews the canal, stops at the bone and there creates a microburn ... which gives inflammation ... it is not realistic to extract.
            1. 0
              16 June 2018 19: 55
              Quote: Strashila
              the radius of the damage is not more than 10 m due to the high explosive effect, but in the explosives they use a filler, including coarse quartz sand.

              This is unlikely. Nevertheless, a clear violation of the Convention of the 80th year.
              1. 0
                16 June 2018 21: 32
                Yes, they put everything with a large device on any convention. When Israel announced its membership in the Nuclear Club, its old-timers were slightly "swollen", the States in the first place.
                "Pendalf, nowadays everything is decided by tank wedges and tactical nuclear strikes." The Brotherhood and the Ring (Goblin)
              2. 0
                16 June 2018 21: 58
                DIME (Dense Inert Metal Explosive) ... not only metal can act as a filler, the effect of application
  5. 0
    16 June 2018 06: 44
    As an offensive, it is quite normal, although the radius of the lesion is small, but it will cut open parts of the body. But then they only had to retreat (except there is), and to break through the autumn of the 44th to the 45th, with a fragment of an overcoat and that under it, it’s quite difficult, only a shell shock and then with a certain hit.
    1. +1
      16 June 2018 08: 57
      Quote: bald
      to break through the autumn of the 44th to the 45th, with a fragment of a greatcoat and what's under it, is quite difficult, only shell shock and then with a certain hit.

      It is written - GGE. It seems that now there are grenades in general with plastic cases. And the shell shock is also the result: the soldier is out of order or, at least, much less capable. It is not in vain that along with the dead, the wounded, even the survivors, are included in the battle losses.
      1. 0
        16 June 2018 09: 28
        I mean the same thing. 120 gr. VV is not a joke. There, even a reflection, in rooms and without fragments will be thrown.
  6. 0
    16 June 2018 08: 31
    There are videos on Youtube like black diggers still find mines in glass cases that look like they were put yesterday ...
    1. +1
      16 June 2018 08: 50
      Quote: Snail N9
      as if they were delivered yesterday ...

      And what will the glass be? Does not rot, does not rust ...
      1. +1
        16 June 2018 09: 41
        Americans don’t like to remember, but during the Vietnam War they specially designed and used fragmentation bombs in plastic cases in order to make it difficult to detect fragments by X-ray ..
        1. +4
          16 June 2018 09: 53
          Quote: Snail N9
          Americans don’t like to remember, but during the Vietnam War they specially designed and used fragmentation bombs in plastic cases in order to make it difficult to detect fragments by X-ray ..

          Local did not remain in debt: they made cases from bamboo. Chip formed during the explosion is not only not visible by X-ray, it also rots, bastards. :)
          1. +1
            16 June 2018 10: 11
            Well, bamboo was used as a necessary measure and in artisanal conditions, and the Americans have specially developed such ammunition ...
            1. 0
              16 June 2018 10: 21
              Quote: Snail N9
              Well, bamboo was used as a necessary measure and in artisanal conditions

              Well, maybe...
  7. 0
    16 June 2018 11: 41
    Specific design tasks were solved using the most unusual materials - concrete, paper and even glass.

    In fact, they, out of economics, anticipated current trends. For example, the German ones are M-DN 11, M-DN 21, M-DN 31, M-DN 61, DM-51. At the same time, it was much more difficult for surgeons to remove glass fragments!
  8. +5
    16 June 2018 13: 10
    Speaking of German glass grenades .... since 1943, glass smoke with a tear component of Blendkorper grenade was mass-produced. The joke is that it was conceived as an anti-tank ... lol
    During the Vietnam War, partisans used "bamboo" grenades ...
    2) There were not enough offensive and defensive grenades for the entire slanting pi ___ brotherhood, because the yellow-faced people came up with their own version of this class of weapon. Tol / trotyl was thrust into the sawn off piece of bamboo, a Bikford cord was inserted, and outside the grenade was dipped in pork feces. Further, the shit shell rushed into the enemy infantry, an explosion occurred and the thinnest needles of split bamboo, mixed with feces, entered the gentle bodies of American cowboys. Due to the microscopic size and depth of getting into the body, it was almost impossible to pull such a splinter in the field, and fermenting bamboo sugar and extremely bacterial pork shit, coupled with high humidity and heat, did their job very quickly, and now another soldier set off to the country of eternal hunting, having spent several days in fever due to blood poisoning.
    1. +4
      16 June 2018 13: 37
      Tin cans have always been a popular material for pomegranates in the "homemade world"

      In the history of the defense of Odessa in the Second World War there is also such an episode when the production of hand-held anti-personnel and anti-tank grenades was launched at the Odessa canning factory:
      anti-personnel "Sevastopol" grenade ... (3-mm wire is wound around the "can" ... BB: amm.salt with sawdust ... Bikford cord) Anti-tank grenade ...
      1. +2
        16 June 2018 20: 02
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        In the history of the defense of Odessa in the Second World War there is also such an episode when the production of hand-held anti-personnel and anti-tank grenades was launched at the Odessa canning factory:

        As far as I know, this is the standard for mobilization. And in the RGD-33, RG-41 and RG-42, clearly visible "canning" technology

        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Anti-tank grenade ...

        If I am not mistaken, this is RGD-33
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        2. 0
          18 June 2018 11: 11
          you are mistaken, it is RPG-40 - it is visible in proportions. but I’m not sure about the “canning” origin. Tin RPGs usually rust less
      2. +1
        17 June 2018 08: 12
        One comment is one illustration. It doesn’t work otherwise.
        1. +2
          17 June 2018 08: 44
          Well ... have to consider! That's just. When you start to "drive the geese" (as in this case) recourse due to lack of time ...
  9. +3
    16 June 2018 16: 08
    A question. And these grenades did not fight when they hit a solid obstacle before the explosion? If you throw a glass, then it most likely will shatter into pieces when it hits a tree or concrete.
    1. +2
      16 June 2018 20: 07
      Good question.
      Apparently, I had to go on the probability of failure due to the fact that the grenade would break. For the ersatians this is normal.
    2. 0
      17 June 2018 10: 49
      And these grenades did not fight when they hit a solid obstacle before the explosion?

      Probably fought. However, the glass is quite thick plus the shape of the case, so I think it was necessary to shy with a fair amount of force and on a really hard surface.
  10. +1
    16 June 2018 23: 09
    Dear author! Dig up information about the times of Peter I! I read somewhere that in the Russian army, because of a lack of lead, they used clay bullets for muskets, and in artillery they used kernels from a mixture of wood resin and stone chips! They would dig up detailed information and enlighten us on this subject !!!
  11. +1
    17 June 2018 02: 41
    Curious,
    And I, apparently, was overworked ... In any case, "the evening has ceased to be languid"
  12. 0
    17 June 2018 15: 27
    Once I heard that at the end of the war the Germans used glass grenades. So glass grenade doors were mentioned in the literature, but did not believe and thought an ordinary chatter
    1. +1
      18 June 2018 06: 25
      Quote: Royalist
      Once I heard that at the end of the war the Germans used glass grenades. So glass grenade doors were mentioned in the literature, but did not believe and thought an ordinary chatter


      They say they even indulged in the theory of concrete steam locomotives. the giant of thought Goering, thought of it if I am not mistaken
  13. 0
    17 June 2018 15: 39
    Quote: Maki Avellievich
    Quote

    Cool said
  14. +1
    17 June 2018 20: 21
    Grid,
    The grill, because you are a primitive person (you yourself insisted on this and presented your sculptural portrait performed by, obviously, Gerasimov, so this is not an insult), is not a reason to be rude to those who are at a higher stage of development. We discuss ceramics, not glass. But I also visited the glass factory more than once. We still have a classic faceted glass and a stack. According to Soviet GOSTs. Goes with a bang. I can send.
    1. 0
      17 June 2018 21: 32
      still not a reason to be rude to those who are at a higher stage of development

      Do not overestimate yourself. I already had the opportunity to make sure that in your level of competence, that in the level of competence of a similar Mr. Shpakovsky.
      1. +1
        17 June 2018 23: 27
        I am more inclined towards perfectionism than to my own reappraisal. So here you are past the checkout.
        As for the level of competence, I also had the opportunity to make sure that your level allows me to ignore your assessment, let’s say correctly. I won’t tell you for Shpakovsky, maybe he was completely upset about this, but something tells me that it’s unlikely. On this major note, I want to wish you continued success in self-improvement. Until we meet again.
        1. 0
          18 June 2018 08: 39
          that your level allows me to ignore your assessment, let’s say correctly.

          Well, all the same, we figured out what there is powder metallurgy, cermet (and how does it differ from just metal products obtained by powder metallurgy), injection molding, slip ceramic, etc.? If not, then I repeat again - hide under the broom.
          Until next time.

          Better not, because I’ll hurt kicking.
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            18 June 2018 11: 14
            "I’ll hurt
            Obviously, there are peculiar forms of negative neuroplastic deformation. The conclusion about the problems of self-realization throughout the life cycle suggests itself. Hence, obviously, the presentation of one’s own capabilities in an unreal form.
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              18 June 2018 11: 52
              Well, all the same, we figured out what there is powder metallurgy, cermet (and how does it differ from just metal products obtained by powder metallurgy), injection molding, slip ceramic, etc.? If not, then I repeat again - hide under the broom.

              Understood or not?
              Obviously, there are peculiar forms of negative neuroplastic deformation.

              Wow. What clever words do you know ...
              That's just how you were an amateur, so stay with them. With his idol, Mr. Shpakovsky next.
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                18 June 2018 14: 05
                Of course in many fields of knowledge I am an amateur. This is completely normal, since it is impossible to professionally cover all areas of human activity. I will take the liberty of assuming that Shpakovsky has a similar attitude to this issue.
                I see the problem elsewhere. In assessing your own self-realization. Here, Vyacheslav, (maybe you will object to me addressing by name, but to address a person, the “lattice” still dislikes me despite my amateurism and attachment to Shpakovsky). Not trusting my amateurism, I showed your comments to a professional (I have not found anywhere else a ban on access to them by third parties). You can scamper about the buzzwords as much as you like, but the specialist admits the likelihood of "noogenic stress that adversely affects behavioral strategy, causes envy and aggression to more successful individuals in terms of self-realization."
                So you can throw as much poop at me and Shpakovsky and anyone else, cling to some kind of mistakes and the like. The problem must be sought in yourself.
                Someone writes comments to share knowledge with others and get and replenish their own, while someone is trying to compensate for personal problems and problems of self-realization.
                By the way, maybe you should overestimate the underestimated. Maybe not everything is so bad and life will get new colors, but friends will be made instead of opponents?
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                  19 June 2018 08: 10
                  The problem must be sought in yourself.

                  Well, look for the problem in yourself.
                  I can tell you where this problem buried. What do you have, what does Mr. Shpakovsky have.
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                    19 June 2018 08: 30
                    99,999% of your response was predictable. But, as the ancient Romans said, the other side should be heard. Alas, there is no place for drugs where what was considered a vice becomes a custom. All the best.
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                      19 June 2018 09: 07
                      Alas, there is no place for drugs where what was considered a vice becomes a custom.

                      Well, I don’t believe that you will kill your head against the wall ...
                      You know, like you, I had the misfortune of meeting my whole life. Last time it ended with a meeting with the general. He blushed his face, moved his ears, blinked his eye when I proved that he was a fool ...
                      He was not fired, but for a year and a half this essence has been going around me and my site in a VERY big arc.
                      I wish you the same.
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                        19 June 2018 09: 16
                        Yes, you will not be envied. All life is a struggle. But in the end - complete depression, loss of faith in people, all around the enemies and the plot in addition. Well then, hold on.
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                        19 June 2018 09: 35
                        Yes, you will not be envied. All life is a struggle.

                        This is how to say ... I have nailed enough of you like that enough to scratch my PCF is enough.
                        I wish you the same.

                        Baby, I don’t go to Shpakovsky’s articles, but you answer my comments ... :)))
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    19 June 2018 13: 39
    Grid,
    "... you answer my comments ... "
    I answer. Agree that the site has become smaller in terms of information. Some authors generally drive delirium. And here you are ... Here I’m dissecting. Theoretically, you could be an interesting conversationalist, but life has made its own adjustments and we have what we have. Et fortuna ad victimam.

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