Against raising the retirement age the vast majority of citizens

Research Center "Romir", as reported by the information service RIA News, conducted a sociological survey on the subject of studying the attitude of Russians to the possibility of raising the retirement age. The data is published today - when the Russian government gathered to discuss the specific parameters of a possible pension reform.

As a result, it turned out that the initiative to raise the retirement age was the most unpopular initiative of the authorities in recent years. According to "Romira", the initiative to raise the retirement age does not approve of 92% of Russians. We are talking about the previously announced parameters of pension reform, when men were asked to raise the age to 65 years, to women - to 63's.

Accordingly, only 8% of respondents supported the initiative.

Attention is drawn to the fact that the largest number of “those who understand the need to raise the retirement age” is among young people under the age of 24. However, even in this age group there are frankly not many: about 12 percent.

According to Romira, about a third of Russians surveyed believe that the government should think about lowering the retirement age for the male population of Russia. Average sentence - 57-58 years. Only 5 percent of respondents agree with the proposal to raise the retirement age for men.

58% and 61% of respondents respectively spoke for maintaining the current levels of retirement age for men and women in Russia.

Comments

[210ox]

And does it really concern “our” government? It is not necessary to steal, and there will be money in the pension fund.

[A good one]

They want to arrange a respite for themselves, they are tired. Oh, it's hard work to pull a hippopotamus from a swamp.

[Vard]

People who are now retiring worked under the USSR ... They worked for pennies ... They were told that you’ve got the whole social program for free ... And now they are told ... We don’t owe you anything ... Get out yourself ... Somehow it’s not good ...

[Vanek]

Quote: Vard

Worked for pennies

With a salary of 120 - 140 p., A loaf of bread weighing 1000 g. cost 24 kopecks.

Pennies? Count.

Now with a salary of 25000 - 30000. The same loaf of bread already weighs 700 grams. and costs 35 p.

Pennies in the USSR? Oh well. Where do you work now? Do you need a ticket to a sanatorium there once a year? Although, would you have a full 28 calendar vacation, but will they give you two weeks? No. Not 14 + 14. Immediately let go of 28?

And the thirteenth salary?

Although I lived a little, I lived in the USSR. And I remember the bagels 3 kopecks well ...

And the mother, who received a “penny”, stably, twice a year, starting in 2003, she travels abroad. Here it is going now. In some sort of Thailand, Vietnam, India. And my wife and I are not helping her. In terms of finance.

[Gardamir]

a loaf of bread already weighs 700 grams

even 400, but looks like a kilogram.

[Vanek]

He sat down to lunch - ate a loaf of cabbage soup. Op - 35r.

He sat down to dinner - ate a bun under a borsch. Op - 35r.

[purple]

Quote: Vanek

Now with a salary of 25000 - 30000. The same loaf of bread already weighs 700 grams. and costs 35 p.

900 gr. and 25 rubles ... do not escalate, now there are more salaries. True, the communal apartment has also become much more expensive as a result, an ordinary person has an identity for identity

[Vanek]

Quote: purple

900 gr. and 25 rubles.

Loaf of bread loaf of bread.

I do not pump. Shop in the yard. And the scales in the kitchen.

[lwxx]

And we have 650gr and 55r, and the salary of 25-40tyr among hard workers. And the pension is a little more than on the mainland.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: lwxx

And we have 650gr and 55r, and the salary of 25-40tyr among hard workers. And the pension is a little more than on the mainland.

If the price tags cut two zeros, then on average, for many positions the prices will be the same as in the USSR. Then 200 rubles., Now 20.000.

[Greg Miller]

So then it is. Only here the prices for housing and communal services differed by an order of magnitude, and medicine and education were generally free.

[ArhipenkoAndrey]

Yes, disputes and the transfer of salaries and pensions are not correct in principle, but oh well, the question is the retirement age, what they say on the box does not even correspond to statistics, the average life expectancy of a man in Russia is 58 years, and this is subject to rounding up, women for more than 68 years and also towards greater rounding, an increase in the retirement age can be regarded as not wanting to pay a pension to your people at all, well, so that they pay money and do not live out, and the increase is just a control in the head, so that they probably do not live out that's all - that's the legalized withdrawal of funds from the population, and not accountable, died (as early as possible), you can safely divide the account because there is no one to report to.

[Nikolay73]

Please specify where salaries are now more? And the familiar postman in the Pskov region does not receive 11, sellers in Magnets 18-20 in the Murmansk region, in the Krasnodar Territory - even less.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Nikolay73

Please specify where salaries are now more? And then the familiar postman in the Pskov region does not receive 11, sellers in Magnets 18-20 in the Murmansk region, in the Krasnodar Territory - even less

Now, in general, you can earn money everywhere, regardless of the link to the region. It used to go to the North for the “long” ruble, which is now not relevant, although of course there is a northern paradise for all categories of hard workers. coefficient. I don’t know if it applies to shift workers, but local residents receive this allowance + additional paid days for vacation for work in the North.

[Nikolay73]

I brought you specific salaries, that before the shift - for three six months outside the home and family, plus divided by two, plus fines, well, I will not argue - I see that we have so far no one got rich.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Nikolay73

I brought you specific salaries,

And I'm trying to explain to you the reason for the difference in salary in Pskov and the Murmansk region.

Quote: Nikolay73

... Please specify where the salaries are now more?

The difference in North. coefficient. If you throw 20 or 30% of the north to the postman in Pskov (I don’t know how much he is in the Murmansk region), then she will have the same salary as the postman in Murmansk. The same goes for cashiers at Magnet.

[Nikolay73]

... in Murmansk you didn’t understand me either - a penny and unemployment, so what’s what, and the coefficient and the premium are understandable ... as far as cashiers, I think the rates are different, otherwise in the middle lane there would be completely dead donkey ears.

[electrooleg]

Here about communal support. It’s not clear what we are paying for “cap repair”!

[New Year day]

Quote: Vanek

Although I lived a little, I lived in the USSR. And I remember the bagels 3 kopecks well ...

the side dish in the canteen is 6 kopecks, the schnitzel is 17. Milk is somewhere around 20 kopecks. Movie ticket - 25 cents.

[Vanek]

Quote: Silvestr

the side dish in the canteen is 6 kopecks, the schnitzel is 17. Milk is somewhere around 20 kopecks. Movie ticket - 25 cents.

Will you be the third?

Sylvester

[Vard]

Your mother ... sorry for the interest ... what a pension ... otherwise I have a ceiling of 15 thousand ... Well, not enough for Thailand ...

[Vanek]

Quote: Vard

At your mother.

Something around 17 - 18.

Yes. We live together. I, wife, son and mother. The communal apartment is on us (4 rooms, this is about 7000), the refrigerator and the wardrobe are also on us.

Mom goes to the theaters, but spoils her grandson. Sometimes.

No. By no means do I speak for everyone. Only for myself.

Wardes

[volot-voin]

Quote: Vanek

Although I lived a little, I lived in the USSR. And I remember the bagels 3 kopecks well ...

Here, the last "bagels" that are left from the USSR are going to be taken away. Please sign and distribute.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Vard

People who are now retiring worked under the USSR ... Worked for pennies ...

Not so penniless ...

[akunin]

since the age of 91, since August there is no longer the USSR (27 years old), who is now retiring for the most part of their work experience in Russia. Social services in the USSR were not free.

[kakvastam]

In fact, they didn’t work for a penny, just taxation was hidden, like today's deductions to the PFR, FSS and FFOMS (in fact, this approach has remained since then), and there were fewer explicit taxes, and they themselves were lower.
That’s why there was a breakthrough of various free things, and medicine with education was not the property of the elite ...

[Victor N]

Citizens who are opposed will eventually sit by the empty Pension Fund. Without prospects.

[210ox]

No, they won’t ... They just won’t survive ..

Quote: Victor N

Citizens who are opposed will eventually sit by the empty Pension Fund. Without prospects.

[Doliva63]

Quote: 210ox

No, they won’t ... They just won’t survive ..

Quote: Victor N

Citizens who are opposed will eventually sit by the empty Pension Fund. Without prospects.

That's right. In our region, the average life expectancy of men is 64 years. They laugh at us there. Well, but chewing gum, jeans, a mortgage and no damn co-communists

[Nikolay73]

Those FOR, will be there.

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Victor N

Citizens who are opposed will eventually sit by the empty Pension Fund. Without prospects.

and who for - to lie ...

[Vend]

I do not see the economic benefits of raising the retirement age. Let's go back to the Soviet scheme, a working pensioner does not receive a pension. Although in 60 and 55 years, they do not retire only in Russia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan and Belarus. In Japan at 70, in the USA at 65, in Germany at 67.

It is necessary to protect people of pre-retirement age (from 50 years) from legislative dismissal, to dismiss only for health reasons, if a person can no longer perform his duties at work properly.
Took from here http://fb.ru/article/266495/pensionnyiy-vozrast-v
-raznyih-stranah-mira-tablitsa-pensiya-v-raznyih-
stranah-sravnenie

[free]

Quote: Wend

I do not see the economic benefits of raising the retirement age. Let's go back to the Soviet scheme, a working pensioner does not receive a pension. Although in 60 and 55 years, they do not retire only in Russia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan and Belarus. In Japan at 70, in the USA at 65, in Germany at 67.

It is necessary to protect people of pre-retirement age (from 50 years) from legislative dismissal, to dismiss only for health reasons, if a person can no longer perform his duties at work properly.
Took from here http://fb.ru/article/266495/pensionnyiy-vozrast-v
-raznyih-stranah-mira-tablitsa-pensiya-v-raznyih-
stranah-sravnenie

An entertaining picture isn't it?

[Vend]

Quote: free

Quote: Wend

I do not see the economic benefits of raising the retirement age. Let's go back to the Soviet scheme, a working pensioner does not receive a pension. Although in 60 and 55 years, they do not retire only in Russia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan and Belarus. In Japan at 70, in the USA at 65, in Germany at 67.

It is necessary to protect people of pre-retirement age (from 50 years) from legislative dismissal, to dismiss only for health reasons, if a person can no longer perform his duties at work properly.
Took from here http://fb.ru/article/266495/pensionnyiy-vozrast-v
-raznyih-stranah-mira-tablitsa-pensiya-v-raznyih-
stranah-sravnenie

An entertaining picture isn't it?

Convert to the currency of the specified countries will receive a real pension.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: free

An entertaining picture isn't it?

Especially when you consider the fact that in China it seems that as soon as government officials are provided with a pension, and the majority of the elderly are supported by children. As for the Russian position, as the supporters of raising the age sang in the government today, this increase will make it possible to increase pension payments "as much as a year higher." Although I strongly doubt that by these indicators we will be able to overtake the same Latvia. Probably it was just necessary to reform the legislation on the methodology for calculating pensions for the people and the state apparatus and municipal employees - so that a prosecutor, deputy, senator or judge could receive a pension not exceeding the pension of a hard worker of 6 categories with 40 years of experience, more than 5 thousand rubles . There are awards for protecting the interests of the country or inventions that benefit the state + another couple of thousand. They would then dig land in the government so that this hard worker would have a pension of at least 30-35 thousand, and not 15-18 as they are now, because they themselves will someday retire. And so they have no incentive to turn on their heads and rationally distribute the funds of the pension fund, which would be enough for everyone. A hard worker is 15 thousand + 1 pcs., And a prosecutor or judge is 100-150 thousand + ....., you can’t expel him from retirement either.

[kakvastam]

Quote: Wend

It is necessary to protect people of pre-retirement age (from 50 years) from legislative dismissal

A very dangerous measure, if in the forehead. Something similar is applied, if I am not mistaken, in Austria (a fifty-year-old cannot be dismissed less than six months after hiring) - so after fifty you get a hell out of work, but losing it is quite possible, even if you shut down the enterprise.
The labor market is like a market for used cars, you buy a pig in a poke, you have to insure yourself ...

[Vend]

Quote: kakvastam

Quote: Wend

It is necessary to protect people of pre-retirement age (from 50 years) from legislative dismissal

A very dangerous measure, if in the forehead. Something similar is applied, if I am not mistaken, in Austria (a fifty-year-old cannot be dismissed less than six months after hiring) - so after fifty you get a hell out of work, but losing it is quite possible, even if you shut down the enterprise.
The labor market is like a market for used cars, you buy a pig in a poke, you have to insure yourself ...

The employer has such a measure as a probationary period. His professional is easy, the first cordon is the selection in the personnel department. How many times have I been wrapped because of age.

[kakvastam]

So the fact of the matter is that the duration of this period is legally increased, and it is impossible to dismiss earlier than six months later. The official - he is the same everywhere, he does not like to think over the consequences of his decisions.

[INTER]

Quote: Wend

in 60 and 55 years, they do not retire only in Russia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan and Belarus. In Japan at 70, in the USA at 65, in Germany at 67.

Can you give the same salary chart in these countries? For comparison

[Vend]

Quote: INTER

Quote: Wend

in 60 and 55 years, they do not retire only in Russia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan and Belarus. In Japan at 70, in the USA at 65, in Germany at 67.

Can you give the same salary chart in these countries? For comparison

Well, you can google yourself, in the countries you are interested in. but then get an average salary.

[New Year day]

Quote: 210ox

No need to steal, and there will be money in the pension fund.

[Sergey ippon]

I looked at the statistics for some reason that the erected buildings, palaces for retirement in cities, prices, and the need for such buildings is 10 times overstated.
that's why this is necessary then?
no, it’s understandable to cut the butterflies and put them in the pockets.
only it is unclear why they allow? -turns up?
infuriates ...

[Sergej1972]

In fairness, in most cases part of the premises in the PF buildings is occupied by other structures that have nothing to do with the pension service.

[lopvlad]

Quote: 210ox

No need to steal

and for what to buy palaces and castles over the hill, to buy Ferrari kids and teach in Oxford?
Here in Russia, the entire law enforcement system with the daughter of a wealthy butcher Mara is not able to do anything, and you are about to stop stealing. They do not know how to steal and hide anything.

[Uncle lee]

Today, the Medvedev government will increase the retirement age, the Duma will approve unanimously, but what does the good king say?

[210ox]

Vladimir, the "good king" has already answered that question by completely removing the term "raising the retirement age" from his answer .. "It is necessary to increase the well-being of the people"

Quote: Uncle Lee

Today, the Medvedev government will increase the retirement age, the Duma will approve unanimously, but what does the good king say?

[Uncle lee]

Dmitry ! You are not the only one so keen! I spotted it too. And the rest of the observant people!

[Shurale]

The good king will say that he is satisfied with the work of the government, have already passed ...

[Gargantua]

I already wrote before the election that the majority of the population are stupid, naive people who are easily amenable to propaganda and manipulation of the media. Otherwise, one cannot explain such a low standard of living in the richest country in the world. .

[Vanek]

Quote: Gargantua

in the richest country in the world

And also in the largest.

On a world map, some countries are smaller than the letters that spell the word "Russia."

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Gargantua

I already wrote before the election that the majority of the population are stupid, naive people who are easily amenable to propaganda and manipulation of the media.

Orwell in his "1984" met in the USSR and Comrade Stalin personally, but just hit Putin's Russia, just such a paradox

[kakvastam]

Quote: Stirbjorn

methyl in the USSR and Comrade Stalin personally

He, in fact, was aiming at his homeland, and he ended up in it, but he wanted to spit on us, by and large.

[Sergej1972]

The Brazilians can argue with us. This is about natural wealth.

[Polite Moose]

Quote from Uncle Lee

but what does the good king say?

And he will look at the results of a population survey and say that it is unacceptable, or rather unacceptable, to implement such government decisions at this stage of the development of our country. And immediately it will become even kinder in the eyes of the people.

[Sergej1972]

In any case, not unanimously. SR and the Communist Party will be against it.

[aristok]

Cormorant promised horse mackerel, which would suit at its best.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: aristok

Cormorant promised horse mackerel, which would suit at its best.

Compare life expectancy in Russia in 2005 and in 2018gg. These are "two big differences." For example, our pension starts for men with 67, and for women with 64 years.

[aristok]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Compare life expectancy in Russia in 2005 and in 2018gg. These are "two big differences." For example, our pension starts for men with 67, and for women with 64 years.

Oh, religious obscurantists from the Middle East pulled themselves up to support

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: aristok

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Compare life expectancy in Russia in 2005 and in 2018gg. These are "two big differences." For example, our pension starts for men with 67, and for women with 64 years.

Oh, religious obscurantists from the Middle East pulled themselves up to support

And who do you have with us?

[ANCIENT]

Aaron paraphrasing the words Klitschko “only a few survive until this time” !!! That is, the problem is not in retirement, but the opportunity to survive, because the authorities are doing a lot to make us smaller in this world! !!

[sdc_alex]

Yeah, I’ll look at many of today's pensioners - you won’t get a stake.
Personally, I am in favor of raising the retirement age, subject to an increase in the level of health care and environmental improvement.

[basmach]

I’m watching too. One friend died 2 years ago, in 52. A couple of months ago, another in 54. All together grew. And in the cemetery of those who do not have 60, like a dog's fleas. And all are fresh.

[sdc_alex]

The cemetery is still an "indicator" ...
Are there many young people who left due to health reasons, and not as a result of road accidents, accidents, catastrophes, or simply “drinking too much”, etc. etc.

[Vanek]

Quote: sdc_alex

The cemetery is another indicator.

Next to my grandmother lies a guy of about 27 - drugs. It turned out by chance.

Near the bride. On a granite monument in a wedding dress. The same young. What happened is unknown.

Not everyone voluntarily goes there.

[akunin]

Quote: sdc_alex

Yeah, I’ll look at many of today's pensioners - you won’t get a stake.
Personally, I am in favor of raising the retirement age, subject to an increase in the level of health care and environmental improvement.

and to you the same, retire and later.

[New Year day]

Quote: sdc_alex

... subject to an improvement in the quality of health care and an improvement in the environment.

Well, about this, you can not worry, this will not happen in the next 6 years!

[DEDPIHTO]

Aron, take all of yours from the authorities, and the obvious and secret under Russian surnames .. until the cloud has happened. Let such pensions be rejoiced in the historical Motherland, although why do they need a pension stolen and great-grandchildren enough. Take away from sin ..

[lopvlad]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

For example, our pension begins

and you have more than six months of the sun and frosts at 40 degrees in the winter? Comparing the warmest countries and the coldest country in the world is frankly stupid. If we had an average temperature per year of about 20 degrees Celsius in Russia like in California, then we would have spoken. We still do not take into account the fact that most of the country is crippled by 90 .

[akunin]

Quote: lopvlad

and you have no sun for more than half a year and frosts below 40 degrees in winter

and now June (like summer) on +13 street rains for two weeks, last summer repeats, and we Volga - Vyatka region.

[yehat]

in 2005, the population structure was more positive -
the proportion of the working population was higher. Pensions were easier to secure through taxes.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: yehat

in 2005, the population structure was more positive -
the proportion of the working population was higher. Pensions were easier to secure through taxes.

In 2005, 35 enterprises that were poorly poor, but deducted taxes to the budget, were not yet killed. The ruins are not a priori taught to pay taxes, no matter how the "effective managers" did not try. Who remains in the form of a "cash cow" after the government "optimizations" and the creation of a "competitive" market? I will tell you the population.
Well, now we take a big scoop and begin to disentangle the consequences of the "vital activity" of our effective government, for which they so unanimously voted.
No one has canceled joint responsibility for the actions of some and the naivety of others.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

For example, in our country, a pension begins in men from 67, and in women from 64 years.

If the government does not scoff at its citizens throughout their entire working life, then the retirement age can be raised to 70/65.

[Vanek]

Quote: Polite Elk

If the government does not scoff at its citizens throughout their employment, then

An effective thought.

The main thing is polite.

[sagitch]

But is everything true in the docs on life expectancy in Russia?

[Doliva63]

Quote: sagitch

But is everything true in the docs on life expectancy in Russia?

Here, for example, http://www.statdata.ru/spg_reg_rf

[milling machine]

Quote: aristok

Cormorant promised horse mackerel, which would suit at its best.

So this same Putin promised ... old, now we have a new one (model of the 18th year).

[Shurale]

If the retirement years increase, not until 65 men will work and they will be fired in 55 and they will live a miserable life for the remaining 10 years and, if someone survives, they will receive the same miserable pension, since they have not worked for ten years, THERE WHERE SAVES !!!

[New Year day]

Quote: Shurale

the rest 10 years they will lead a miserable existence

the state will not pay anything, get out yourself. And now after 45 you are no longer interested in the employer

[sxfRipper]

In fact - there’s nobody to work! I won’t say for the whole of Russia, Moscow, I’m sorry ... So few people want to go to turner-fitter-drivers, mostly dream of a full life of office plankton, which, as you know, surplus property eats, but does not create. The reasons are different. Including salary. And prestige (show off - if you name your name). And much more.
Judging by the media in the rest of Russia (minus millionaire cities), there are big problems with jobs. And raising the retirement age is much easier than “creating 25 million new high-tech jobs” (EMNIP Medvedev said just that).
And the problem of migrant workers is not my tolerance. Until they take employers who hire gastronomy for a penny and make good money by assuring themselves with a salary fund, they won’t be confused. And in order to take them for the fifth points, it is necessary to have real-life legislation of direct action, and not verbiage, which the State Duma bakes in batches from the filing of the relevant interested parties.

[I am Russian]

Quote: sxfRipper

Until they take employers who hire gastronomy for a penny and make good money off the ass by saving salary funds,

it is necessary to take "for asses" not employers, but banks, the Central Bank and the one who determines monetary policy, because the employer needs cheap money (loans) for his work. And so the employer is faced with the choice - to pay% to the bank or officially pay salary and all deductions. What happens in practice, I think, you yourself know.

[tchoni]

Quote: sxfRipper

And the problem of migrant workers is not my tolerance. Until they take employers who hire gastronomy for a penny and make good money by assuring themselves with a salary fund, they won’t be confused.

So this, a crisis among them, means indulgence for the plundering of the proletariat (again, we’ll get to the popularity of leftist ideas)

[Moskovit]

If the whole thing was in the legislation .. The complex of reasons is huge. The decline in production in general, the post-industrial consumer society, the failure of the 90s in social policy, the infantile attitude of the population to their health, and much more. It’s bad that all this is poorly corrected.

But you can fix everything if you take it firmly and together.

[yehat]

about the well-fed life of office plankton, which, as you know, surplus property eats, but does not create

about the well-fed life of plankton - there are 5-10% of them. The rest, on the contrary, only make ends meet.
about surplus value - office plankton - part of the overhead that falls on the organization of processes. They are the same normal part of the process as ordinary end-users. Sheer stupidity to deny their necessity.
The question is different - due to the inefficiency and outright stupidity of the leadership, plankton staff is often significantly inflated. In addition, directors' salaries are often no less than the rest of the staff put together - this is the problem, not the unfortunate plankton.

[Moskovit]

Hype? In private companies, no one will pay pay for nothing. They are recruiting, they put a lot of work on managers, they try to give more tasks, but pay less.
I was here on an excursion at the Krusovitsa brewery in the Czech Republic. An elderly Czech said 300 people used to brew beer and 30 sold it, now it's the other way around.

[yehat]

you forget about process efficiency. Automation, mechanization, improving communications and logistics.
And we often have plankton functions unequal. One works for 12 hours and does not have much time, and the other a couple of hours and he is all right.

[Moskovit]

Well this is particular. It's just that there are many wrong people in business. They do not learn themselves and do not train their employees, do not improve business processes, but they spend a lot on themselves. They also like to collect loans, and then disappear.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: sxfRipper

In fact - there’s nobody to work!

Most likely nowhere. There are very few jobs with decent wages in production. We have so "supported" small business that it itself will soon be bent. And do not strangle.

Quote: sxfRipper

And the problem of migrant workers is not my tolerance. Until they take employers who hire gastronomy for a penny and make good money from it for the ass by saving wages, there’s no sense

The problem is even more acute than it seems. In Europe, recently adopted a law on remuneration of migrant workers. The employer there can no longer pay Gaster less than his compatriot, and is also required to pay him a round-trip trip. It seems like humane and humane. But such equality is a sentence for zrobitschans, because they lose their only advantage over local ones - cheapness. And now, attention, the question is: where from the EU will the Central Europeans and other former "communal neighbors" rush for work? And don’t go to your grandmother - they will replenish the army of Ravshanov and Dzhumshutov. In Russia, the government urgently needs to adopt a similar law, and not deal with the foolishness of raising the retirement age.

[spectr]

Such requirements are bypassed in Russia, now. The candidate is officially offered, for example, 30000, but unofficially they say that if you want to get settled, 10000 will have to be given. Such schemes have long been working, not only with visitors, but also with their own.

[kakvastam]

Such schemes are twenty years old, at least.
One misfortune is that taxes and contributions to funds in this way are not particularly repulsive if you work in white and in black, the farther the more difficult. And when the “collectors” try this delicious niche, it will be completely fun.
The problem is that it becomes unprofitable to import cheap slaves.

[milling machine]

Quote: sxfRipper

EMNIP Medvedev said just that).

Ways said it.
Here he recently learned that de Serdyukov was appointing Medvedev. Here, our people cannot think bad about the tsar-father.
After all, on TV, how interestingly presented. Here's an example: the year before last they froze the indexation of pensions, and according to all the media they said, "the chair of the government (Medvedev) signed the law on freezing the indexation of pensions for a year." A year later: "President of GDP, signed a law on a one-time payment to all pensioners of 5 tons."
Here are just a joke in the fact that both law sign both laws, but they are presented in the media as "the king is good - the boyars are bad."

[Servisinzhener]

Not only high-tech jobs are needed. We need any jobs for all categories of citizens. Let it not sound so beautiful. And it is obligatory when the labor migration is prohibited for workers.
I have big doubts that a 50-year-old turner or locksmith will be fired from work and will hire an 18-year-old graduate of vocational school who graduated from it by paying a pension. Although maybe I'm wrong.

[New Year day]

Quote: Servisinzhener

A 50-year-old turner or locksmith will be driven out of work and hired an 18-year vocational school graduate

well, if a 50-year-old will be "smart" - easily. And he will be “clever” in only one thing - wages. Already passed it

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: sxfRipper

And the problem of migrant workers is not my tolerance. Until they take employers who hire gastronomy for a penny and make good money by assuring themselves with a salary fund, they won’t be confused.

Well, so employers bring officials from these grandmothers so as not to touch! So there's mutual responsibility - there’s nobody to take for asses

[Leshy1975]

Look wider gentlemen, comrades. And migrant workers and raising the retirement age and Donbas and everything else, these are all private echoes of this:
Source "Free Press":
in Russia there is a circle of people who live a life completely independent of the economic situation in the country. Everyone else is dependent, they are thrown into crises lower and lower, and this group exists as if behind glass, and nothing concerns it.
The group is very small, less than 1% of the population of Russia. And well, if most of the members of this group were engaged in business, they would risk their money. The trouble is that they do not risk anything, and do not carry out any business operations.
Their money is usually received through government agencies. "Top-level and even middle-level officials, managers of state-owned banks have been appointing impressive payouts for decades, and are becoming super-rich."

2 March 2017 city
In the hands of approximately 0,1% of the population of Russia, more than 60% of the total state of Russia is concentrated. On an average basis, this proportion is different: in the hands of dollar millionaires is about 30% of $ 192 trillion of world wealth, according to the annual Weight Report on the distribution of wealth in the world The Wealth Report 2017.

And GDP is the same member of this group of super-rich and the supreme guardian of all these capitals. To increase them, they will come up with a lot of things and appropriate laws will be adopted.

[New Year day]

Quote: sxfRipper

In fact - there’s nobody to work! I won’t say for the whole of Russia, I’m Moscow, sorry ..

I will say more - in hospitals, the number of experienced doctors decreased, they were kicked out. Came, I call them, "children of perestroika." They oh how far from professionalism.
We have the post of head. 3 months searched for gynecology, this is in Moscow!
So there is no one to work in the capital

[Sergej1972]

“Excluding millionaire cities.” Yes, about one third of the population lives in Moscow, St. Petersburg and other million-plus cities with their nearest suburbs. Not so little. At least much more than in rural areas. Or compared with the population of cities with a population of up to one hundred thousand people combined.

[APASUS]

Quote: sxfRipper

And the problem of migrant workers is not my tolerance. Until they take employers who hire gastronomy for a penny and make good money by assuring themselves with a salary fund, they won’t be confused. And in order to take them for the fifth points, it is necessary to have real-life legislation of direct action, and not verbiage, which the State Duma bakes in batches from the filing of the relevant interested parties.

What are you talking about? Putin said he wouldn’t give up his!
Such offices are usually held by former officials or their children, friends, classmates, otherwise they won’t open, and it’s impossible to hold out at all - you’ll be in touch too!
This is how Putin solved the problems of real estate investors of Vladivostok and Voronezh. In our city, no one can do construction work from the outside, this is the path of officials and I don’t think that in Vladik it is different! It looked very funny, for someone who understands what was discussed!

[Alex-a832]

Increasing the retirement age is not a very popular thing, which is why it was postponed until after the presidential election. But this is an inevitable evil. The consequences of the attitude of citizens in the 90s and 00s to the need to ensure the birth of 2 or more children in the family. There was a gap between generations among the young and able-bodied. The question was raised a little in advance. The maximum "return" from the selfishness of our citizens, those same pensioners who increase their retirement, will come in 5 years. An increase in the retirement age by 3 years is garbage. Another issue is that the state will have to guarantee citizens employment in the pre-retirement age with a salary that covers the old-age pension. But this is not and I don’t see movement in this direction - this is very bad.

[Shurale]

They were supposed to ensure the growth of the Russian economy over the past 20 years, a huge period, they could meet it, but they didn’t do it and now they offer to save, but any businessman will tell you if the company starts saving, this is the beginning of the end ...
And yet, in any company, if the director and his team have given negative growth indicators over the year - he is kicked out with a bang, this rule applies to everyone - except the Russian government, these may not develop the country for decades and the head of the country IS PLEASED BY THEM !!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Alex-a832]

What the president really thinks will always remain behind the scenes, which may be for the best. I rarely explained and explain to the personnel how and for what I am doing this or that, I do not express distrust of my deputies and middle managers with personnel. Their business is to carry out orders. Otherwise, the people begin to whine and look for the bad in the normal. To ensure stable economic growth after the 90s was not 20 years old, as you say, but less than 10. The beginning of 00 was the ruins of the economy and continuous debts. The first two five-year plans were taken to bring the economy to a basic state. The defense industry was also raised from the ruins, and this is a net loss to the budget and gigantic. Most of the people didn’t starve after the second five-year period either - many were able to buy apartments, there aren’t enough refinery capacities to provide refueling for vehicles, which the people bought in huge quantities. The restoration of industry, social policy (more costly than bourgeois), the restoration and construction of new infrastructure facilities, roads, etc. are largely budgetary costs. We maintain large armed forces and rearm them - and this is a large number of able-bodied people excluded from production. And in 2014, the Western enemy fraternity again began to strangle Russia economically when they saw the growth of its economy. Where is 20 years for growth? There was a maximum of five years for this. And the balance was positive.

[free]

Quote: Alex-a832

What the president really thinks will always remain behind the scenes, which may be for the best. I rarely explained and explain to the personnel how and for what I am doing this or that, I do not express distrust of my deputies and middle managers with personnel. Their business is to carry out orders. Otherwise, the people begin to whine and look for the bad in the normal. To ensure stable economic growth after the 90s was not 20 years old, as you say, but less than 10. The beginning of 00 was the ruins of the economy and continuous debts. The first two five-year plans were taken to bring the economy to a basic state. The defense industry was also raised from the ruins, and this is a net loss to the budget and gigantic. Most of the people didn’t starve after the second five-year period either - many were able to buy apartments, there aren’t enough refinery capacities to provide refueling for vehicles, which the people bought in huge quantities. The restoration of industry, social policy (more costly than bourgeois), the restoration and construction of new infrastructure facilities, roads, etc. are largely budgetary costs. We maintain large armed forces and rearm them - and this is a large number of able-bodied people excluded from production. And in 2014, the Western enemy fraternity again began to strangle Russia economically when they saw the growth of its economy. Where is 20 years for growth? There was a maximum of five years for this. And the balance was positive.

Did they try?

[Alex-a832]

Quote: free

Did they try?

An example of not trying is Yeltsin, Poroshenko, etc. Read, compare, but I personally studied this difference in my own skin, I will not forget to death.

[free]

Quote: Alex-a832

Quote: free

Did they try?

An example of not trying is Yeltsin, Poroshenko, etc. Read, compare, but I personally studied this difference in my own skin, I will not forget to death.

Do not leave the answer. How did Putin and Co. try to boost the economy?

[Alex-a832]

Quote: free

Do not leave the answer. How did Putin and Co. try to boost the economy?

Yeah, Russia somehow rose from the ruins of the 90s, without the participation of Putin and Co. Probably the West helped us a lot in this? Try without the stamps of the liberal opposition to prove the opposite. Or it was not felt, because made soft power? Maybe the methods of Stalin and Co. respected by me were not enough for the thrill of sensations and a faster effect?

[free]

Quote: Alex-a832

Quote: free

Do not leave the answer. How did Putin and Co. try to boost the economy?

Yeah, Russia somehow rose from the ruins of the 90s, without the participation of Putin and Co. Probably the West helped us a lot in this? Try without the stamps of the liberal opposition to prove the opposite. Or it was not felt, because made soft power? Maybe the methods of Stalin and Co. respected by me were not enough for the thrill of sensations and a faster effect?

But did Russia rise from its knees? What is this expressed in? Maybe in a poor population? Maybe in raising the retirement age, in the absence of a normal wage, in paid kindergartens and requisitions at school, in half education and medicine half paid, in theft and nepotism at all levels of government, in constant lies of bureaucrats, in a wobble on a straight line of the guarantor and other "good" that pours on our heads. Oh, I forgot about the distortion of history, tolerance, homosexuals, and the blackening of Stalin and the USSR, an attempt on the part of the church to recognize Lenin and the communist idea as extremism, despite the fact that a significant part does not accept categorically (the authorities do not care about the opinion of these people)
But Stalin is not enough, you rightly noticed that. Compare the pace of development of the USSR and modern Russia.

[sdc_alex]

People want revolution, but they do not want change. They want everything to be "as before", only better. (Same red but green)

[godun]

The enemy is cunning and treacherous, and as a result of the intrigues of the enemy, the number of beggars in the country increased to about 20 million people. But there is also positive, the number of billionaires and billions in the accounts of “13 friends of Ocean” has grown over the same period, and with the launch of the next super-duper-mega projects, let's hope that the welfare of this “people” will grow even more!

[basmach]

How tired I am of retyping the constitution. It also clearly states that state pensions. And they should be provided by the state, and not by subsequent generations. Only the current state does not need it. And when such clever men live to see 55, they will yell differently, because. to hell are nowhere needed, not to mention 60. And the average duration at 2014 was 59,1 years for men.

[Alex-a832]

Quote: basmach

How tired I am of retyping the constitution. It also clearly states that state pensions. And they should be provided by the state, and not by subsequent generations.

Yeah, and the money should be printed for the budget by the state, and not earned by citizens ?! Learn the materiel.

[yehat]

retirement is absurd, to which about a third of pensioners do not survive.
absurd also because the income gap of pensioners is artificially widened.

what's the point of giving a third of your salary all my life without having anything in return?
Do you really not understand the consequences of legal nihilism that such decisions generate?
tax collection will plummet. How to plan pensions in general under such conditions?
This is not a pension reform, it is a diversion of the entire system and a reason to eliminate it altogether,
as have already eliminated pension savings. With a flick of the wrist, the money disappeared.

[Alex-a832]

yehat
I wanted to comment on your questions, but I realized that this was a meaningless exercise. They stem from complete ignorance of the topic. Learn the materiel, then the questions will be adequate, not empty emotions, divorced from life.

[yehat]

Teach the materiel yourself. I am a qualified economist.

[Alex-a832]

Quote: yehat

Teach the materiel yourself. I am a qualified economist.

If so, then you are simply trolling.

[yehat]

most in the economy do not understand anything, they do not know how to plan or see the whole process. They need an understanding of simple principles of justice, like
“I worked, I got”, but even at that level our pension system got better

[Alex-a832]

Quote: yehat

“I worked, I got”, but even at that level our pension system got better

The fact that our pension system is crooked, slanting and ... not sharpened so that pension reserves at least work out inflationary losses, I absolutely agree. The need to raise the retirement age arose a long time ago, since we had gone out of the way of "developed socialism" and plunged into the bourgeois system, which drags a train of unpleasant consequences in the social sphere against the background of a weak economy. The main thing is that there wasn’t, as usual: they got out of one problem in order to plunge into another.

[free]

Quote: Alex-a832

yehat
I wanted to comment on your questions, but I realized that this was a meaningless exercise. They stem from complete ignorance of the topic. Learn the materiel, then the questions will be adequate, not empty emotions, divorced from life.

Refute if you can.

[Snail N9]

Pension .... How is it arranged in the "West"? In the "west" in most developed countries (not everywhere), the state guarantees a small "social pension" which is equal to (depending on the country) 300-600 euros. The rest of the pension is the "insurance" contributions of the citizen himself, who deducts to the fund (for example, AXA , MSH) from 2 to 9% of their salary, but .... the same amount that a citizen deducts must be paid by the employer (the same 2-9%). In addition, many companies practice annual one-time payments to the pension fund in the amount that the employee agrees to deduct from his earnings (approximately 3000-5000 euros). However, all this money does not just lie in the fund, but "works": their fund invests in various investment mechanisms and, depending on what type of "investment" the employee is based on, "static" (blue chips, not risky "mechanisms", etc.) or "dynamic" (risky investment instruments) this money is constantly growing (slower or faster) and, depending on the demand for investments, sometimes very, very much (can double in a couple of years). The employee-depositor himself has access to his contribution and always knows how much money is there, in addition, he can manage his contribution by transferring money to either “statics” or “dynamics”. There is one more peculiarity - after a certain time of finding money on the deposit (2-3 years), even if the retirement age has not arrived, the investing employee can apply to the fund and withdraw part of the money to pay for certain expenses, such as an expensive surgery-treatment , construction, purchase of a house-apartment, education, etc. Well, yes_ "retirement age" is not only age, it is first of all the state of human health at that time. In the "West" in the countries of the "golden billion" there is a constant decrease in the intensity of labor of workers — a decrease in working hours, improved comfort in the workplace, a decrease in manual and monotonous labor, stressful situations, etc. Naturally, a person is less “worked out” in comfortable working conditions. and maintains its health for a long time. In Russia, the opposite happens — under the guise of the crafty slogan “improving labor efficiency” —the workplace lengthens working hours, enhances the exploitation of the employee, restricts his rights and freedoms in terms of the labor code, imposes additional duties on him, strengthens his physical and moral workloads, etc. In such conditions, talking about raising the "retirement age" in Russia is a crime, we can say that this is a declaration by the state of the hidden genocide of its citizens.

[reservist]

I won’t say for the whole West, but in Canada if you take money from a pension fund for the same down payment on a mortgage, you must either return it within a few years or pay taxes that were not taxed by pension savings
about comfortable working conditions - a friend in Toronto, having tripled her first “foreign” job as a payment system operator, made from 400 to 600 postings per day, she had from 150 to 200 postings in a similar work in Moscow, i.e. there is no time for "smoke breaks", people really work at work
but here is the really huge difference that they have a mechanism for protecting individual pension savings from inflation, and with our pension system it is not clear whether the state will be able to collect taxes to the pension fund in 10-20-30 years ...

[Leshy1975]

“Another question is that the state will have to guarantee citizens employment in the pre-retirement age with a salary that covers the old-age pension. And this is not and I don’t see any movement in this direction - this is very bad”
But is this not the same question? Not a consequence of raising pensions. age. And the increase in unemployment? But the pressure on the labor market and the salary level, those who were supposed to retire, is not a consequence? There are a lot of jobs where the salary is 15-18 thousand, even in cities and rural areas this is also normal. At this pressure, does the salary increase or decrease?
Those. In general, you support, and these issues are certainly bad (although questions are directly garbage), the main thing is that you generally support. Those. a roll on the one hand is good, in your opinion, and another is moldy, but on the whole we accept that good? (if necessary evil, and therefore, support). A great example of perverse logic. And I already understand this, supporting GDP in all its “geniuses” and explaining everything from the best side can only be done without using normal logic.

[akunin]

Quote: Alex-a832

Increasing retirement age is not a very popular thing

didn’t you think why a working pension reform has not been created in 27 years? It’s not that Putin said or didn’t say, but that he appointed incapable people to solve an important problem. in Japan, the catastrophic aging of the population + a high age of survival (what a nasty word), but pension provision works. On what basis did Putin freeze the accumulative part of pension savings of citizens? Do you need to fight money in Syria? a mundial for 1.2 trillion rubles.

[Snail N9]

That's interesting: in the “damned 90s” money, for some reason, was enough for retirement, for health care and for free education, and during the years of “successful management” of the “sun-faced”, suddenly the number of hospitals suddenly dropped short and schools decreased at times ... And this is with the "rising from its knees", "successfully developing" Russia .... Ah-oh well .... I almost forgot, it's the "State Department" and the "sanctions" are to blame ...

[New Year day]

Quote: akunin

on what basis did Putin freeze the funded part of the pension savings of citizens? Do you need to fight money in Syria? a mundial for 1.2 trillion rubles. to spend?

Sochi Olympics 50 billionS forgot. Hyper-super expensive projects! the greater the cost, the more you can sniff

[Snail N9]

It's right. In Russia, during the time of the “sunshine”, expensive PR projects in the form of “olympiads”, “competitions”, “championships”, “summits”, “international conferences”, etc., which the state and people (except for some groups) blossomed as never before. didn’t bring any benefits at all ... We should not forget the “quietly buried” billions of dollars that the “effective management team” wanted to save “commercial American banks prepared for the slaughter of the world financial elite. friends "and" partners "...

[akunin]

Yes, I remember, just talking about pensions. I recall that the funded part of the pension appeared in 2001. and it started from the age of 65 (now from the age of 67) there were no olympiads then, but the accumulated overwork was confiscated - it was made from the age of 67 (I had run somewhere around 11 thousand rubles), it’s ordinary, friday.

[Yak28]

The most convenient option for the state is for the worker to work until retirement and die. And he does not need to pay anything, he does not need to be treated.

[aristok]

Quote: Yak28

The most convenient option for the state is for the worker to work until retirement and die. And he does not need to pay anything, he does not need to be treated.

Just need to clarify - not for a normal state, but for the colony.

[godun]

I do not agree with you, because the most convenient option, for our government, to start working right after birth.

[akunin]

better in utero.

[aristok]

So, it seems like embryonic preparations are actively used - so they are already working out in utero.

[samarin1969]

Formally, 150-200 dollars are paid a pension, and this is rather a beggarly benefit. They want to deprive of this.
It turns out that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is a more "democratic" and "social" state. It remains proud that formally we are still a "republic".

[Uncle lee]

“The Russian Federation is a social state” - Article 7 of the Constitution of Russia.

[Vladivostok1969]

Well, a lot of things have also been written on the fences. But we know what is behind it.

[sxfRipper]

KSA is social for its people. Just due to migrant workers)))

[Leshy1975]

I join, really formally and for now.

[Herman 4223]

It’s just the finish line, 22% of the amount of wages, every month at an event which is difficult to live up to, and it will just become impossible, better give me that amount in salary.

[Altona]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Compare life expectancy in the Russian Federation in 2005 and in 2018.

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And what is there to compare? Here to send yours from the warm seas to sunny Magadan and begin to compare. This Skvortsova took a short period, half a year, where by chance life expectancy turned out to be 72,5 years and began to make deafening conclusions. However, all this is being done on purpose, while the people "support the national team." The stake requires the guarantor and his so-called government, which is concerned about the salvation of the Jewish-Cypriot oligarchs, and not the Russian people.

[Nix1986]

We all understand that the problem is not that working longer, but that only a small part of us will survive with this medicine, and we’ll have a problem getting a job already in 50, so you’ll be out of work. Well, for the sake of the state. propaganda statistics if necessary, and draw an average life of 90-80 and that works beyond 50+ shaft.

[akunin]

To be honest, that is a lot of low-skilled and low-paid work (which Central Asian immigrants do in the capitals) .We do it for our pensioners, sometimes with a high level of education, who could be more useful when doing the main work. More bread positions are filled and if there is an opportunity, then inherited.

[Nix1986]

Well, that's the point, sorry to go to the janitors there is no desire, and how many janitors are not needed.

[bsk_mna54]

This is not what Putin began with. The fact that he is far from the economy does not honor him. People believed in his election promises to raise the level of the economy and, accordingly, life, but the president’s liberal life is not capable of progress. Once again verbiage comes, again pleasing the oligarchy, as before, Putin will euthanize the people with his personal "victories", "half-victories", the way he cares about the people. But everything does the opposite: robbing the economy, mineral resources (what will the young generation live?), Takes their projects for 8 or 10 trillion rubles from the pensions of the people, from the income of workers, but the oligarchy, who lives behind a hillock, which is not even a citizen of Russia (officially he can and has a passport of the Russian Federation), he doesn’t touch him, he’s sorry for his beloved, suddenly someone like Abramovich will say bad things about Putin, then he won’t be shamed from the oligarchs.
Conclusion: Putin leaked the country (I can imagine how they will rejoice over the word "leaked") before the oligarchs, is it time for him to become a foreign minister at all, this is good for him, but the president must be a person who can develop the country in such difficult conditions in which all states refuse to cooperate with Russia because of an unreliable partner in the economy (the sale of raw materials is the squandering of the country's wealth).

[Gardamir]

This is not what Putin began with

Shaw again? He started in 2000 and did not stop giving empty promises.
He is not even suitable as a foreign minister, because all his supposedly brilliant foreign policy is for domestic use.

[free]

Quote: bsk_mna54

This is not what Putin began with. The fact that he is far from the economy does not honor him. People believed in his election promises to raise the level of the economy and, accordingly, life, but the president’s liberal life is not capable of progress. Once again verbiage comes, again pleasing the oligarchy, as before, Putin will euthanize the people with his personal "victories", "half-victories", the way he cares about the people. But everything does the opposite: robbing the economy, mineral resources (what will the young generation live?), Takes their projects for 8 or 10 trillion rubles from the pensions of the people, from the income of workers, but the oligarchy, who lives behind a hillock, which is not even a citizen of Russia (officially he can and has a passport of the Russian Federation), he doesn’t touch him, he’s sorry for his beloved, suddenly someone like Abramovich will say bad things about Putin, then he won’t be shamed from the oligarchs.
Conclusion: Putin leaked the country (I can imagine how they will rejoice over the word "leaked") before the oligarchs, is it time for him to become a foreign minister at all, this is good for him, but the president must be a person who can develop the country in such difficult conditions in which all states refuse to cooperate with Russia because of an unreliable partner in the economy (the sale of raw materials is the squandering of the country's wealth).

He, like the government, is infinitely far from the people.

[akunin]

Quote: bsk_mna54

Isn’t it time for him to become Minister of Foreign Affairs?

it’s not time, because he himself believes that thanks to his horism Russia has flourished for the past 17 years and will continue in the same spirit for as many presidential terms as God will give.

[New Year day]

Quote: bsk_mna54

The fact that he is far from the economy does not honor him.

his dissertation on economics is plagiarism, can be found on the net. Now, under the heading "Sov. Secret."

Quote: bsk_mna54

all of a sudden someone from the type of Abramovich will say bad things about Putin, then he will not be “shamed” from the oligarchs.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Silvestr

his dissertation on economics is plagiarism

Putin cannot have a dissertation in economics since after her defense he should automatically have a minimum degree of a candidate of economic sciences and Putin does not have this degree. Putin has a higher legal education but does not have a degree (do not defend a dissertation in this case not necessary).
So no matter how much you scour the net, it is impossible to find that which did not exist in nature.

[Tatanka Yotanka]

yes this romir is lying - it’s immediately obvious that he is an agent of the State Department, he didn’t do any popular ratings at the presidential election, the VTsIOM would have to ask, are we all the same for increasing the retirement age

[lopvlad]

There is the most faithful barometer of average life expectancy. This barometer in every locality is a cemetery. You go and look at birth and death dates on fresh graves, walk about half an hour and have information that is more accurate than that of the Ministry of Health.
So the average level of life expectancy for men in Russia is now 58-61 years and not over 70 as we get stuck on the TV screen.

[Sergej1972]

Those men who did not die in accidents, did not die from oncology and cardiovascular diseases, did not bend over from drinking and drugs in the interval from 30 to 45 years, the vast majority will live 70-80 years.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Sergej1972

Those of men

is it like a mockery? .It is natural that those who have never been sick in the world did anything in life, and every jumping pimple examined him in the Kremlin sanatoriums will live up to 70,80 and even 90 years. But there are simply no such people among ordinary people.
Especially raising the retirement age to hit the residents of the countryside where even surviving to the existing threshold of 60 years, retiring for men was considered a miracle. If in urban areas, pensioners and at 70 years of age are hearty, then people on earth are already 60 years old (blind, deaf, toothless and not a day without pills).

[Victor jnnjdfy]

Quite a few men die between the ages of 60-70. Even those who died or died at 50, for the most part, worked for twenty years. This means that 22% of the wage bill was deducted by the employer in the FIU, of which the deceased will not receive a penny. The question is how many were expelled. So this is the hackneyed theme of “black” and “gray” salaries. Let the Government put things in order with this "disgrace", but apparently Dima and the team cannot solve this problem. And to increase the retirement age, a special mind and skill is not necessary.
It seems to me that as a result of the gentleman’s shoulder, we will receive a retirement age of 60 years for women and 63 years for men.

[Gerurra]

I will repeat again! MANIFESTO
We need a slogan everything for Russia !!! Build roads - they will create jobs in many areas - from an asphalt plant to mechanical engineering. Reduce the bureaucracy to the level of the RSFSR. If the official has close relatives abroad, it is forbidden to occupy any government duties. Any official receives a term two to three times longer than a simple citizen for a crime. No house arrests for bureaucrats. For telephone right, arrest (this is when a bureaucrat asks another bureaucrat to smear one of his own) for at least 10 years. Any period for an official should start from 10 years. To be deprived of all rights for 15 years after leaving prison (to build roads forcibly while in jail is refusal to enter the pit). The right to vote and be elected within 15 years after leaving prison. The next of kin are also deprived of their rights for the period of his imprisonment. The employer does not have the right to take migrant workers to their work for more than 10 percent. Violation! Business to select. Check purchases over 300 rubles for their legality (the average salary of the people of Russia for about a year without taxes). Prohibit any offerings under the guise of a gift. For red tape the official is in jail. To return the gold of tsarist Russia with interest from France - the USA –Japan –Czech Republic –England– if they cannot return, let them return it with equipment – ​​technology. In general, barter, and the interest runs for them. Abolish taxes to farmers for 000 years. To stop the increase in gas and gas prices (to build state-owned oil refineries - forbidding to sell them - indefinitely). To return money illegally withdrawn from Russia - by any means. Ban interest on banks above 5. Prohibit offshore operations and participate in them. To return education to the level of the USSR, our nouveau riche now needs illiterate, dumb people like in the USA
To make prisons labor (to build roads) is a failure because the “law I” is a pit (for cover from work — the head of the zone to them in the pit). Caught clans of drug traffickers of ethnic groups to arrest everyone (with resistance to destroy), along with their relatives, and further develop the pole of the cold Oymyakon to build a road to Magadan. To prohibit the construction of large shopping complexes - no more than two - in cities of up to 350, preventing small and medium-sized businesses from dying. Yes, it’s cruel, but now it’s impossible without it. Do evil in the name of good. Allow street trading for a time of crisis. This will give the people self-employment. Now there are massive layoffs, layoffs under the guise of restructuring.

[bsk_mna54]

It is said well, but modern power will never fulfill it, it is not an enemy to itself. They teleport like manure in water, and this is good for them, surrounded themselves with different guardsmen, now they are sowing their people in provinces and villages, and Russia is helping them, how much they have already bred!

[sdc_alex]

Quote: Gerurra

To stop the increase in gas and gas prices (to build state-owned oil refineries - forbidding to sell them - indefinitely)

Right! And let the factories operate at a loss - the main thing for the benefit of the people!

Quote: Gerurra

The employer does not have the right to take migrant workers to his job for more than 10 percent. Violation! Business to select. Check purchases over 300 000 rubles for their legality

- Khan business in many industries! and the start has passed the markets!

Quote: Gerurra

For telephone right, an arrest (this is when a bureaucrat asks another bureaucrat to smear one of his own) for at least 10 years. Any term for an official should start from 10 years. To be deprived of all rights for 15 years after release from prison (to build roads forcibly while in jail -failure-into the pit). The right to vote and be elected for 15 years after release from prison. The next of kin are also deprived of their rights for the period of his imprisonment.

Quote: Gerurra

Prohibit any offering under the guise of a gift. For red tape the official is in jail.

- redistribution of power and deletion of portfolios!

Quote: bsk_mna54

Return the gold of tsarist Russia with interest from France - USA –Japan –Czech Republic –England– if they cannot return, let them return with equipment– technologies

“And if they don’t return, then what?”

Quote: Gerurra

Return education level of the USSR

then along with the USSR. otherwise it will not work. Yes, and the Soviet Union also does not work.

Quote: Gerurra

Allow street trading for a time of crisis.

- in my opinion we have already passed something similar ...

Quote: Gerurra

Caught clans of drug dealers of ethnic groups to arrest everyone (with resistance to destroy) together with their relatives

- "together with relatives" to what a red hot? what kind of "ethnic groups"? the concept of "higher ethnic group" we introduce?

[badens1111]

Quote: sdc_alex

Right! And let the factories operate at a loss - the main thing for the benefit of the people!

Do you need to work on the pocket of a nouveau riche?
But what about the interests of the people, if only businessmen of dubious quality would take everything to London then?

Quote: sdc_alex

Khan business in many industries! and the start has passed the markets!

Loudly, but not true. By the way, do you have Russian in school, -2 or are you actually not from the Russian Federation?

Quote: sdc_alex

then along with the USSR. otherwise it will not work. Yes, and the Soviet Union also does not work.

Are you against a quality education? Do you want a school of two corridors according to Soros’s patterns?

Quote: sdc_alex

In my opinion, we already went through something similar.

Where you went and what you went out is not clear. One thing is clear, some blatant illiteracy shines through in each of your comments.

Quote: sdc_alex

"together with relatives" to what red-hot? what kind of "ethnic groups"? the concept of "higher ethnic group" we introduce?

Did your opponent speak of any nationality? Did the opponent only indicate that any criminal involved in the drug business, as well as his family who uses illegally earned money, will be so affected in their rights that they would no longer kill the country's population .
Do you have a gesheft from drug addicts, why are you so worried about their rights?
And lastly, pull up your literacy. Even if it were up to the level of grade 6, a middle-Soviet school student .. it’s unpleasant to read “thoughts” with so many mistakes.

[sdc_alex]

Quote: badens1111

Do you need to work on the pocket of a nouveau riche?

Imagine - YES! For any enterprise, first of all, is created with the aim of making a profit. If you do not agree with this, you can go and work for free, for the good of the people.

Quote: badens1111

Loud but not true

соответствует

Quote: badens1111

Are you against quality education?

NO, I am not against high-quality education, but where does the "formation of the USSR" have to do with it? The USSR is not a panacea. I understand that you want everything to be like yours in childhood, but it is gone.

Quote: badens1111

Did your opponent speak of some nationality?

my "opponent" spoke of punishment for "ethnic groups". Read his opus carefully.

It seems to be a “grammatical” person, but you write nonsense.
By the way, my education is also "Soviet" , and in Russian too!

[badens1111]

Quote: sdc_alex

Imagine - YES! For any enterprise, first of all, is created with the aim of making a profit.

Of course, of course ... glad you arrived at 300 percent, the mother will kill, what can it be about the country .. well, exactly Chubais’s clique ..

Quote: sdc_alex

соответствует

Zero.

Quote: sdc_alex

NO, I am not against high-quality education, but where does the "formation of the USSR"

If you do not understand how classical education under the USSR differs from the Bologna system in the Russian Federation, then what are you trying to argue about?

Quote: sdc_alex

my "opponent" spoke of punishment for "ethnic groups." Read his opus carefully.

Do not lie, your opponent said- "

Quote: Quote: Gerurra

Caught clans of drug dealers of ethnic groups to arrest everyone (with resistance to destroy) together with their relatives

All ethnic groups, regardless of who enters there. If the secret for you is that one of the ethnic clans, which includes not only natural representatives of a particular nationality, but also representatives of others, are, for example, gypsies in Sevkavkaz, then they belong to to the gypsies, it’s not worth it to kill everyone, it is only said that the clan among the gypsy people who are active in the distribution of drugs should be infringed. What is not clear? https: //cyberleninka.ru/article/ n / strukturny
e-osobennosti-i-spetsifika-deyatelnosti-etnichesk
ih-prestupnyh-soobschestv-v-sovremennoy-rossii
Loss of rights does not mean destruction, it means a criminal article.
By and large, no matter what the nationality of the drug dealer is, the result of the inevitability of his punishment, up to the death penalty, is important. And why, they take only sixes, but do not touch the organizers, the question is interesting ...

[sdc_alex]

Quote: badens1111

By and large, no matter what the nationality of the drug dealer is, the result of the inevitability of his punishment, up to the death penalty, is important. And why, they take only sixes, but do not touch the organizers, the question is interesting ...

Here I agree to all 100%!

what is the difference between classical education in the USSR and the Bologna system in the Russian Federation

Both you and the previous speaker spoke about education in general, and not about the Bologna system, which, incidentally, concerns only the higher education system.

[yehat]

typical stupid populism.

* build roads without equipment and materials, without quality control - the result is zero.
* the bureaucratic apparatus itself will decrease if it is normal to take care of the responsibility of the entire control chain.
* relatives abroad - this is not a reason to prohibit public service, this is a restriction on positions with decision-making.
* depriving the rights of former prisoners is utter nonsense. We need sane socialization and sane living conditions, so that people have real chances to behave normally.
Most of your points are completely thought out.
in the end, I’ll say about bank interest - their maximum rate should be tied to something. for example, to global GDP growth. And this is not 5%, but much lower, because the bank uses the same amount as collateral many times - i.e. you need to link the allowed capital turnover and the rate by introducing a reduction factor.
Banks are fattening not because they are now tearing at 18-25%, but because they are stamping loan agreements for 100-1000 at 2000 percent at XNUMX rubles and the real profit is wild
200 percent.

[Same lech]

Well, you old man and bent ... Such splendor has now been expressed for the souls of the population of Russia that has suffered soul and body ... only who will bring all this to life? ... where to get the faithful guardsmen and such a king as Ivan the Terrible.
Here we understand tolerance ... the triumph of democracy.

[Nasrat]

Quote: The same Lech

Well, you old man and bent ...

Painful he ... can bend everything that comes to mind at that moment ...

[GEV67]

Fine! I agree to all 100! Well done! But alas, this can only be used in fiction about fellow soldiers. In reality, this will not happen, the people quietly sit blinkered in holes and are silent. Where are the unions ?! And the trade unions are silent, but they should already collect the people and demand from the authorities that the labor legislation is “only on a piece of paper”! And we are to blame for this, and not some kind of evil west and bad Jews. Every nation deserves the power that is at the moment. So we deserve it, because we are silent and wait for the manna from heaven.

[Heterocapsa]

trade unions serve the interests of the employer rather than the worker, this is what we have in mind in our country.

[akunin]

Quote: Gerurra

I will repeat again! MANIFESTO

started the election campaign early - they didn’t hold the mundial.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Gerurra

I will repeat again! MANIFESTO
We need a slogan everything for Russia !!! Build roads - they will create jobs in many areas - from an asphalt plant to mechanical engineering. Reduce the bureaucracy to the level of the RSFSR. If the official has close relatives abroad, it is forbidden to occupy any government duties. Any official receives a term two to three times longer than a simple citizen for a crime. No house arrests for bureaucrats. For telephone right, arrest (this is when a bureaucrat asks another bureaucrat to smear one of his own) for at least 10 years. Any period for an official should start from 10 years. To be deprived of all rights for 15 years after leaving prison (to build roads forcibly while in jail is refusal to enter the pit). The right to vote and be elected within 15 years after leaving prison. The next of kin are also deprived of their rights for the period of his imprisonment. The employer does not have the right to take migrant workers to their work for more than 10 percent. Violation! Business to select. Check purchases over 300 rubles for their legality (the average salary of the people of Russia for about a year without taxes). Prohibit any offerings under the guise of a gift. For red tape the official is in jail. To return the gold of tsarist Russia with interest from France - the USA –Japan –Czech Republic –England– if they cannot return, let them return it with equipment – ​​technology. In general, barter, and the interest runs for them. Abolish taxes to farmers for 000 years. To stop the increase in gas and gas prices (to build state-owned oil refineries - forbidding to sell them - indefinitely). To return money illegally withdrawn from Russia - by any means. Ban interest on banks above 5. Prohibit offshore operations and participate in them. To return education to the level of the USSR, our nouveau riche now needs illiterate, dumb people like in the USA
To make prisons labor (to build roads) is a failure because the “law I” is a pit (for cover from work — the head of the zone to them in the pit). Caught clans of drug traffickers of ethnic groups to arrest everyone (with resistance to destroy), along with their relatives, and further develop the pole of the cold Oymyakon to build a road to Magadan. To prohibit the construction of large shopping complexes - no more than two - in cities of up to 350, preventing small and medium-sized businesses from dying. Yes, it’s cruel, but now it’s impossible without it. Do evil in the name of good. Allow street trading for a time of crisis. This will give the people self-employment. Now there are massive layoffs, layoffs under the guise of restructuring.

You just need to abolish capitalism, and that’s it.

[Awaz]

The easiest way to find money for the Pension Fund is to stimulate higher salaries, but it still works ... But even if you raise it, it is definitely not for peasants. You can probably start very slowly increasing the retirement age of women. Firstly, there are more of them and the savings from this will be really noticeable. Raise it for men - it won’t bring any big dividends, but people can piss off ... But women, for up to 60 years, for example, have to stretch for at least 10 years or even 15 years. Well, and so as not to anger the people, the authorities must fulfill their obligations. Voluntary savings were frozen - it’s time to turn the duck around and it is advisable to return the interest for use too ... Then you can already start a dialogue with the population ..

[yehat]

do not stretch the caftan, which is still not in size.
the main problem of the pension fund is tax evasion and a lot of free riders for whom no one pays money. This must be decided. And to begin tax liberalization - contributions to the pension fund cost too much, it is too tied to other payments, because of which there are massive evasions. And the work of migrant workers, which are already not enough, gives nothing to the pension system - this also needs to be changed.
Finally, those who earn billions, and not just beggarly damages, must pay the pension fund.
Here is a solution to the problem, not stupid manipulations with what is.

Well, and corruption - penfond employees massively assign pensions that exceed the formal rights of recipients and not for "thanks."

[Awaz]

Well, yes, Sergey, I completely agree ... But what would the load be removed from the country's budget, you need to start accustoming people to save for retirement from the first days of work. And if you don’t go in there, there will be no pension. Further, those who have been retired for a long time, their provision must be transferred to the shoulders of the oligarchs. Define a clear framework and let them pay for what they got for free. Middle-aged people, while they should be provided with freed money. I am a little messy, but in such a way it should work. And the PF should not be turned into a goos structure, parasitizing on our money, but rather something like a bank, which would be engaged in storing people's funds and making money. And with this earning he provided himself and guaranteed to people the preservation of their savings taking into account inflation. Still, it’s simple

[yehat]

no need to teach anyone to save for retirement - the current contributions to the pension fund are very decent by world standards.
as for the penfond, he cannot invest without risk until real conservative production assets get on the exchange.

[akunin]

Quote: AwaZ

You can probably very slowly begin to raise the retirement age of women

sure wife won't read? and then the coming months, access to the body will be limited look at our women at 60, and better at 70, old women (women without insults) because they plow and sow and wash priests for children. In old age, those who haven’t worked out and who didn’t beat a finger (or just that and engaged).

[Runoway]

IMHO, with such news about retirement, about gasoline at 100 rubles, they are specially fed so that we rejoice every day that the trouble has not yet come, not noticing and not raising popular indignation about the shit in which we are already sitting. Moreover, with this method they rule us deeper and deeper

[serg.shishkov2015]

I do not want to live to retirement, I will work until I die, And I will not live!

[Rimlianin]

The problem of the Pension Fund deficit is there, it needs to be addressed. But why be sure to increase the retirement age? And most importantly - you cannot do this behind the scenes, secretly, without sociological and economic justifications and analyzes, without discussion with society. Everyone remembers the monetization of benefits in 2005, which dissatisfaction swept the country. And raising the retirement age will be berries already. The majority, who still rely on the good king, will finally understand that he was cheated. So the growth of protest sentiment is ensured.

[Alexander War]

So we do everything behind the scenes and quietly! They don’t discuss anything with society!

[sxfRipper]

Yes, the problem is not in the deficit of the Pension Fund, but in the system itself! Starting with the Central Bank of the Russian Federation aka a branch of the US Federal Reserve. With a mess in the management and decision-making - where the department of the regional committee of the CPSU used to cope, now a bunch of ministries have been riveted!
Here was Putin's bow to the masses. They showed the question of bloggers - when will there be bitcoin in Russia? Normal, yes, the pichalka is for advanced kids. And the day before, 24 in Russia showed the question of an ordinary mundane peasant from some kind of wilderness, in whom there was nowhere to wash himself and the kids to wash, because the only bathhouse was closed in the city, and most residents had their amenities in the yard. Well, this is so unaesthetic ... We’re going to fly to Mars, and here we’ll have a bathhouse!

[Alexander War]

Why didn't these bloggers ask about 25 mil jobs in quotes? It’s clear that there were no direct questions, otherwise I would have heard a lot of bad things and how to hang out the government as a card that doesn’t do anything — an economic block

[sxfRipper]

And they are on the drum! Is it really incomprehensible?

[akunin]

Bitcoin - okay, but the problems with telegrams are really important for 140 million people of Russia. how without telegrams? milk yield will go down, molten metal will flow back into the oven and so on. generally without "telegrams" - tryndets.

[Alexander War]

Add video with pensions from 30 minutes

[DRA-75]

Only 5 percent of respondents agree with the proposal to increase the retirement age for men.

Most of them simply will not survive to retirement .. Especially those who work on a rotational basis, ruining their health and trying to feed their families.! In principle, it used to be like that before, just look at pensioners, some grannies (very nimble and fighting) And there are practically no grandfathers!

[Andrey Panov]

My grandson has 5 grandmothers, and, until recently, 2 great-grandmothers
And here I am alone, unfortunately , and I don’t remember my grandfathers, unfortunately ...

[DRA-75]

Quote: Andrey Panov

My grandson has 5 grandmothers, and, until recently, 2 great-grandmothers smile
And here I am alone, unfortunately request, and I don’t remember my grandfathers, unfortunately ...

That's right in Russia! It is rare that one of the children of his grandfathers finds himself in life, and even more so great-grandfathers .. But it’s very unfortunate that Grandfathers try to convey a lot to their grandchildren, unlike fathers who are constantly at work, etc.
Here is an instructive film, "Big Family" And laughter and tears ..

[Hiw]

It is not clear that people with brains first vote for Putin and then they are upset that they are going to raise the retirement age ??? Even before the presidential election, it was clear that the Putin and Medvedev team were going to raise the retirement age and still voted, but now they’re upset for some reason, even before the election it was clear that the authorities were rotten and gasoline would always increase in price, that honey service from a paid one wasn’t free it will become like education, because it was precisely this power that did it, and still voted for this power - did people have logic, or did they pour vodka over their brains and damage the TV ???
Voted - get and sign

[Nychego]

Quote: HIW

It is not clear that people with brains first vote for Putin and then they are upset that they are going to raise the retirement age?

To them, Putin promised to carefully approach the issue of raising the retirement age. They believed him. So he came up "neatly", like almost crept up.

[Million]

And the Kremlin bots are also against? And those who voted for Putin are against?

[free]

Quote: Million

And the Kremlin bots are also against? And those who voted for Putin are against?

so putinoidov and not in the comments, calmed down, waiting.

[DEDPIHTO]

Some are present, but so far they are speaking very carefully ... help is waiting. Closer to dinner, the rest will start to pull up, too, do not go to the priest.

[sdc_alex]

Hello! Here i am

[DEDPIHTO]

And the liberal sofa does not get sick, in the sense of not creaking ..
Noos, start to crab like spaceships plowing the vastness of the Bolshoi Theater ... while I take a nap, old age is not joy ..

[sdc_alex]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

And the liberal sofa does not ail

Yours? Yes let it creak forever

[DRA-75]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

Some are present, but so far they are speaking very carefully ... help is waiting. Closer to dinner, the rest will start to pull up, too, do not go to the priest.

But here you all whine as one in the morning, and fall silent on Friday ..))) On Monday morning, you hammer in the administration with complaints, as such smart people insult you ..))) The tactics are familiar!
And not bad you get gentlemen ..

[DEDPIHTO]

Are you in the administration? If yes, then show evidence who writes complaints to the goofy ... if not, then you are just a talker (this is mild ..) And yet, gentlemen, you have it, citizens are liberals and ultra-liberals And my ancestors of the gentlemen at one time led to the cliff ..

[DRA-75]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

Are you in the administration? If yes, then show evidence who writes complaints to the goofy ... if not, then you are just a talker (this is mild ..) And yet, gentlemen, you have it, citizens are liberals and ultra-liberals And my ancestors of the gentlemen at one time led to the cliff ..

Fists ..? Not everyone means finished off ... It also feels how you activated everything in the coupling here .. You can’t deceive me!

[DRA-75]

Quote: Million

And the Kremlin bots are also against? And those who voted for Putin are against?

Your "brother liberalist" will give you the freedom to sell the whole country ..

You’re not worried about retirees, you don’t need to drive a wave here ..

[Million]

We worry about ourselves

[Gardamir]

They discuss life expectancy, of course, of course. But one more thing. A person was left without work at 54 years old, as before, up to 60, you can turn out, now up to 65.
And one more thing, there are a lot of false patriots here, you can immediately say a word against the authorities to the state’s agents, they suspect that it’s just the opposite. So Putin does not care about the welfare of the people and does nothing for this.

[free]

Raising the retirement age is a disguised genocide of the population.

[DEDPIHTO]

It remains to understand the main thing, what nationality are those who arrange this genocide. The column “nationality” was not just canceled and destroyed archives in the 90s ... so it’s easier for some to get lost in a multinational country and dominate (rule the country) without attracting the attention of other peoples of Russia ...

[Parade]

If we had a high standard of living, there would be no unemployment, people in age would be in demand on the labor market, then this bill could still be understood, but for now this is not anti-popular. .

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Vard

people who are now retiring worked under the USSR ... Worked for pennies ...

Under the USSR, they worked for pennies! The average salary at the plant was 280 rubles. For pennies and without any contractual documents, I had to work in the 90s and until the beginning of the 2000s. That is, it turns out, as if there is no experience! Because the minimum pension .. people. They’ve worked all their life for wear and get it .. figs with butter and a cake with kittens .... And then there’s also an increase in the retirement age .. Like, die at work!

[Alex66]

Instead of creating 25 million highly efficient jobs, instead of developing nanotechnology in fact, instead of deepening the processing of raw materials and exporting finished products, instead of banning offshore companies for state-owned companies, the government found the simplest and easiest way out as in a joke: yes, poor money has little but there are a lot of poor people. My personal opinion is that the decision is not justified, not weighted, it’s just redneck and a struggle with the socialist past.

[Alexander War]

Money is not new hold on, we have a lot of money, but

[Livonetc]

The constitution needs to be changed.
Return the right to work and many other rights.
Many millions of our ancestors were killed for these rights.
And no matter which side.
And we easily surrendered everything in due time.
For the American dream ...
Putana and reketir even once became honorary members of society.
And now a person earning his own labor is almost despised.
He can not even pay his salary, let it wane.

[godun]

And who will let you change the constitution, can it be that those who rewrite it secretly for themselves, to the thunderous applause of 76% of citizens?

[gukoyan]

And those eight percent were probably officials?)

[DRA-75]

Quote: gukoyan

And those eight percent were probably officials?)

It is they and only top managers ..! They all look in their retirement age, like cucumbers and money .. And they do not want to lose power.!
But the majority, they grab onto their hearts and try to finalize to retirement (at least some) to see their grandchildren and have time to care for the blood. This law will kill many who have reached their retirement and are already on the alert .. It’s very difficult for 50-60 year olds to find work, which would not have killed them in the current system .. And liberal leaders, this generation is simply ignoring ..

[BAI]

Who and when in the Government were interested in the opinion of the people? As if no one knows the attitude of citizens towards raising the retirement age.

[Alexander War]

United Russia will push through the bill, the patria of the government and not the people!

[Whowhy]

Why can’t you raise the retirement age in Russia?
- Firstly, the government will never be able to ensure the constitutional “right to work” (Article 37.3) for citizens over 45 (!) Years. The only thing they can do is to prohibit the practice that is now widespread - to write in job advertisements: "up to 45 years" (which is contrary to the constitution, since: "Everyone has the right to work in conditions that meet safety and hygiene requirements, to remuneration for labor without any discrimination and not lower than the minimum wage established by federal law, as well as the right to protection against unemployment. "
- Secondly, if a person of mental work somehow, at the very least, can find a paid occupation after the age of 45 (besides, as you know, intense mental work helps to prolong life), then the majority of workers professions (with an accumulated bouquet of occupational diseases) will simply be doomed to starvation.

[spectr]

Quote: whowhy

Secondly, if a person of mental work somehow, somehow, can find a paid occupation after the age of 45 years (besides, as you know, intense mental work helps to prolong life), then people in most working professions (with an accumulated bouquet of occupational diseases) will simply be doomed to starvation.

Such people will swallow pills and die at the workplace. It was already like this in some regions in the late 90s, when people worked almost round the clock to get a normal salary. After the ambulances began to arrive, the production policy had to be changed.

[Nychego]

It did not seem possible to distract people from raising the retirement age through the mundial.

[Sotskiy]

Against raising the retirement age the vast majority of citizens

Come on!
And who then voted for such laws in the State Duma elections? Who has the majority there? Or do people already remember nothing of cause and effect relationships?
Well, right, the traditions of the ancestors must be observed "" And eat a fish and ride a horse! "And then pray, pray and pray in the hope that suddenly it will blow!

[Guru]

Lecturers are blabbering with all sorts of Mundeals, Donbass and Syria, here you have the People’s Party ED (United Russia) with your favorite GDP prez, tearing your shirt claiming that we will live well soon. The man worked for a couple of months and rested in the cemetery. Russians have too much time LIVING

[Alexander War]

There is a minus that the majority of United Russia, for this reason any liquid-government law will be adopted once or twice!

[akunin]

Today there was information that the government considered raising the retirement age in the toughest version and will introduce a bill in the State Duma
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/616877
here is the president’s word.

[net0103net]

Everything is clear here. It is necessary to kill 5 percent of respondents) ...

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Alex-a832

Quote: free

Do not leave the answer. How did Putin and Co. try to boost the economy?

Yeah, Russia somehow rose from the ruins of the 90s, without the participation of Putin and Co. Probably the West helped us a lot in this? Try without the stamps of the liberal opposition to prove the opposite. Or it was not felt, because made soft power? Maybe the methods of Stalin and Co. respected by me were not enough for the thrill of sensations and a faster effect?

All of their successes in the economy (GDP and comrades) ended with high oil prices. First, the price of oil fell, and then somewhere and success evaporated.

[New Year day]

opinion polls - opinion polls! 76% for Putin are now unhappy with his course? Those who voted “against” are now rubbing their hands- “what did we say”. Full consensus in the country.
Only the GDP wanted to spit on these polls - "I don’t give up under pressure"

[INTER]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Compare life expectancy in Russia in 2005 and in 2018gg. These are "two big differences." For example, our pension starts for men with 67, and for women with 64 years.

And what salaries and pensions do you have, what level and availability of medicine do you and ours have? What are your guarantees for a person from 50 ty. Compares the incomparable, for a start, all this needs to be given to the people, then take
. Not so: they cut a healthy leg, but at the same time they furiously convince that the prosthesis will be better.

[Heterocapsa]

the thing is that by this age the overwhelming population is already jumping blood pressure and breaking bones. There you go to the store already everything hurts and then you have to work. The person is just a slave.

[Skarpzd]

only:
1 - State Department agents
2 - fifth column
3 - damned commies
4 - damned liberals.
didn’t forget whom? all the rest voted for GDP and cannot be opposed by definition.

[Leshy1975]

Yes, that is right. I support. Although according to polls, "92% of Russians do not approve the initiative to raise the retirement age." Indeed, where in the country, of course, if you believe the figures given in the article, so many all kinds of bad people got divorced. (Well, as well as the numbers in the elections in our country. Many argued this way: people cannot make mistakes, the numbers are very high, they have chosen the best) Because everyone understands that you don’t support the president, everyone is an enemy of the people and the state. And speaking disapprovingly at the GDP, in his person you insult the entire people of the Russian Federation, and the happiness and prosperity of the president, this is the happiness and prosperity of the whole people. So suddenly a lot of parasites divorced in the country, opponents of national happiness and prosperity of the Russian Federation. Comrades (well, or gentlemen) Zaputinists, the work is still not an open land, more actively burn traitors from the popular milieu with "hot iron". All that’s left is to explain somehow 92% that this is all for the growth of their well-being.

[would]

I forgot about Bulk hamsters!

[Freeman]

I signed. AND YOU?
Petition

To the President of the Russian Federation, Government, Federal Assembly: Do not raise the retirement age!
We, citizens of the Russian Federation, representatives of independent trade unions and public organizations, believe that today there are no grounds for raising the retirement age in Russia, and the problems of deficit and financing of the pension fund can be solved in another way.

URL:
https://www.change.org/p/не-повышать-пенсионный-в
age

[16112014nk]

Anti-people’s power on the opinion of the people "put ....", as always. For the preservation of the USSR was more than 70%. So what ? Now, so far, there is “mouse fuss” among the capitalist ministers, because there is the 2018 World Cup. And here is how it will end, and here they will present the people with “consensus”.

[ZVS]

The authorities do not take into account the decade of the annihilation of the Russian population under Yeltsin. And if they want to introduce, then only for those who were born after 2005, when work and food began to appear in the country.

[Alexey Lesogor]

45 years to work and make deductions in order to live a retirement and a couple of years. In my region, the average man will not even live to retire. If you increase your retirement age, I reserve the right to evade full payment of taxes.

[Rimlianin]

Do not leave in any way. We have the bulk of taxes inherent in the cost of goods - excise taxes, VAT.

[Ivan Ivanov]

At the same time, the vast majority of Russians voted for EP and GDP. this is bipolar comrades.

[tank64rus]

Or maybe this government to send .... retirement ahead of schedule.

[Scipio African]

to the Arctic resort

[Scipio African]

The goat started killing, and the toptygin finishes, from the machine and to the graveyard

[TsUS-Air Force]

людей в возрасте берут только в сторожа и вахтёры да уборщицы,у нас дефицит в таких специалистах? каждая империя съедает сама себя и едро увидит однажды конец тонеля....

[Simon]

Ну, о чем говорить! Умершим пенсия не нужна! Вот и весь расчет!

[Sergey ippon]

Если будет достойная работа и оплата -я за .
Уверен -не будет ,какой смысл тогда это вводить?
Только для жирного чинушечного аппарата и родственных связей -остальным то как быть?

[Gerurra]

Не унывайте ,сограждане , а лучше вспомните свою Великую
историю : " Вихри враждебные веют над нами , тёмные силы нас злобно
гнетут ! В бой бой роковой мы вступили с врагами , нас ещё судьбы
безвестные ждут..!" Нам, как баранам, войны никто не объявлял, нас
просто считают за баранов .

[ochakow703]

Конечно, воры-олигархи, у нас неприкасаемая каста, их трогать нельзя, а народ - это ж , его можно доить и доить! Правда есть одна особенность у русских людей - страшны в гневе.

[tihonmarine]

Ну и кто вас услышит граждане России, но только не "мужичёк в пиджачке".

[ArhipenkoAndrey]

Yes, disputes and the transfer of salaries and pensions are not correct in principle, but oh well, the question is the retirement age, what they say on the box does not even correspond to statistics, the average life expectancy of a man in Russia is 58 years, and this is subject to rounding up, women for more than 68 years and also towards greater rounding, an increase in the retirement age can be regarded as not wanting to pay a pension to your people at all, well, so that they pay money and do not live out, and the increase is just a control in the head, so that they probably do not live out that's all - that's the legalized withdrawal of funds from the population, and not accountable, died (as early as possible), you can safely divide the account because there is no one to report to.

[serg.shishkov2015]

в молодости мечтал-доживу до пенсии и сразу уволюсь, освобожу место молодым,,,а теперь-оставалось 13 лет, а сейчас-18! Жизнь впереди ещё! А это-репетиция1