Who decided to abandon the joint FGFA program with the Russian Federation. In India, looking for a scapegoat

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In India, they started debriefing in a situation related to the refusal of joint participation in the project of the 5 generation FGFA fighter in Russia. As you know, a few months ago, in New Delhi, they said that they were withdrawing from the project, as investing in it does not justify itself. Specific claims: at this stage, the Russian project, according to the Indian side, cannot be attributed to the full-fledged 5 generation due to the operation of the engine of the “1-th stage” and due to the lack of implemented “stealth” technology. Recall that the Indian side at the same time stated that the project will not finance, but can return to the issue of participation in the program as soon as Russia eliminates all the shortcomings.

Now, in the Indian media, it is increasingly possible to find publications that the Indian authorities made a very risky step, since in the end India’s Air Force may be left without generation 5 military aircraft at a time when the main geopolitical opponent already has them. Of china.



In the edition The Economic Times An article has been published which says that, at first glance, India, having quit the project, saved billions of dollars. Named the total amount in the project FGFA, implying cooperation. This is $ 9 billion. However, it is immediately said that a costly deal with Russia would ultimately put India at a level comparable to the presence of new fighters with China and even the United States. Moreover, by participating in the project, India would automatically gain access to new technologies implemented during the project. Who was declared responsible for refusing to cooperate with Russia? This is DRDO - the Indian Defense Research Organization, whose leadership, as stated, claimed to have “all the tools and capabilities to develop new technologies” (for an aircraft of the 5 generation project).

Who decided to abandon the joint FGFA program with the Russian Federation. In India, looking for a scapegoat


The submission says that by refusing to cooperate, India has already lost 295 million dollars invested in the development of the project, and now it will definitely not receive the 4 prototype (it was provided for by the contract) by the 2020 year.

It was noted that all India was going to contract at the level of a joint assembly of at least 127 of such aircraft.

Now there is no contract, there is no clear understanding of what work needs to be done to get 5-generation airplanes, plus the technology for their production. It remains to "save money", and wait for the Su-57 aircraft to bring Russia to mind - and then enter the project again. But only who said that Russia in this case will transfer technology to India, especially given the fact that the Indian DRDO said it has its own capabilities to create technologies? .. Such an expectation is a blow to the development of the Indian Air Force. This is most actively discussed in the Indian expert environment.
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  1. +14
    13 June 2018 14: 04
    With the Hindus, everything is always incomprehensible ... they themselves know what they want ...
    1. +3
      13 June 2018 14: 08
      Funny alignment)) and about the transfer of which technologies are we talking about? too early to transmit. Here's how to make the first experimental 6th generation, then you can.
      1. +1
        13 June 2018 19: 46
        Quote: maxim947
        Funny alignment)) and about the transfer of which technologies are we talking about? too early to transmit. Here's how to make the first experimental 6th generation, then you can.

        rather, the Indians will do or some sort of South Korea
    2. +1
      13 June 2018 14: 08
      The Indians ran out of money, because buy S-400 for $ 8 billion
    3. +6
      13 June 2018 14: 10
      As one of the members of the forum wrote: working with them is difficult, but possible, but India has the money with political will. And so, in my opinion, this is their usual rebidding)) We must bring down the price. For some reason, it seems to me that they will buy a single su-57. Wait and see))
      1. +1
        13 June 2018 19: 33
        And so, in my opinion, this is their usual rebidding)) We must bring down the price

        But where to shoot it down below, they essentially got their plane based on SU-57 technologies with the transfer of these technologies for relatively ridiculous money. In fact, they invested money only in the adaptation of the "backlog" to their own requirements. Yes, the engines of the second stage did not give them (those that they themselves do not have yet), and they were not in a hurry with the radar - but what should they be in a hurry? Someone on the same conditions will give them more or what?
    4. +11
      13 June 2018 14: 16
      Quote: Vard
      With the Hindus, everything is always incomprehensible ..

      Everything is understandable with the Indians, they are, as usual, as usual, if you do not much to rephrase the famous saying - "eat the sacred carp from the temple pond and sit on the noble rod of Zhui." Now bites your elbows, because you outwitted yourself ...;)
      1. MPN
        +7
        13 June 2018 16: 54
        Quote: Hammer
        since they outwitted themselves ...;)
        This is exactly ...
        but it may return to the issue of participation in the program as soon as Russia eliminates all the shortcomings.
        And then what will they be needed for?
      2. +2
        13 June 2018 18: 28
        I don’t understand at all - what is the problem? If they want a 5th generation car, then only Russia will sell them. There are no other options. On the other hand, it is impossible to say that they do not need such a machine. Their sworn narrow-film friends are slowly but surely bringing their "crazy hands designers" to some kind of intelligible result.
    5. +1
      13 June 2018 14: 41
      Quote: Vard
      With the Hindus, everything is always incomprehensible ... they themselves know what they want ...

      Just then they know what they want. Indians are still those freeloaders.
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    7. +3
      13 June 2018 16: 18
      Hindus always starved! It is enough to recall our converted (according to their requirements) aircraft carrier (formerly Admiral Gorshkov)! They will be a year, two, three hollow and hollow .... and you are ready to even pay extra, if only this "bodyagi" is over! It seems that ours understood this and did not stop on the occasion!
    8. Maz
      +1
      13 June 2018 18: 23
      Brahmaputras were realized
  2. +10
    13 June 2018 14: 09
    We realized that. Grandma remembered how she was a girl.
    The main thing is that our people do not cheapen when the Indians begin to push back.
  3. 0
    13 June 2018 14: 12
    There is a slow but steady reduction in cooperation with the Russian Federation through the military-technical cooperation. And here is not only the Indians of wine.
  4. +11
    13 June 2018 14: 16
    The Indians always had a mess in power. An example - the country's energy security is absent as a phenomenon. For it, it is necessary to develop nuclear power plants, and at least the program should not be inferior to China - and there they are now building 25 blocks at once! In India, they have been building one single nuclear power plant for two decades, and recently managed to sign an agreement recently with the United States, confirming that the United States should build.
    One question - are they all stoned there in India? WHO IN THE USA CAN BUILD A NPP NOW? The correct answer is no one.
    1. 0
      13 June 2018 15: 35
      Quote: Jerk
      In India, they have been building one single nuclear power plant for two decades, and recently managed to sign an agreement recently with the United States, confirming that the United States should build.

      and which station will the Americans build in India?
  5. +1
    13 June 2018 14: 22
    Gypsies ... what to take from them laughing
    1. +1
      13 June 2018 15: 15
      Not properly.
      Gypsies are a Qi tribe from the Ganges River.
      One of many.
      Moreover, they migrated very long ago towards the north and north-west of Europe.
      1. 0
        13 June 2018 18: 20
        Quote: demo
        Not right. Gypsies are a Qi tribe from the Ganges River. One of many.
        Moreover, they migrated very long ago towards the north and north-west of Europe.

        Not migrated, but expelled as the lowest and most despised caste. It is surprising that for millennia they have not lost their language, customs and culture without assimilating with other peoples.
        1. 0
          14 June 2018 01: 48
          And nothing that the castes at such a level were invented by the British, before them it was a completely different concept
          Storyteller
          1. 0
            14 June 2018 08: 41
            Quote: meGrail
            And nothing that castes at such a level were invented by the British, before them it was a completely different concept.
            What does it have to do with “a completely different concept” when it comes to the social status of a certain group of people. Though call her - clan, teip, caste, tribe ...
            Bookworm.
          2. 0
            15 June 2018 08: 41
            Kasi appeared on Hindustan in those days when Anglo-Saxons climbed trees. Castes on the Hindustan brought with them the Aryans, together in the Vedas and the sacred language of Sanskrit.
      2. 0
        13 June 2018 19: 35
        Gypsies are a Qi tribe from the Ganges River.

        Yeah, but nothing that they call themselves differently?
  6. +3
    13 June 2018 15: 06
    Tricky Indians, working with the Russian Federation and the United States, are trying to dictate their terms and conditions ..... but they wouldn’t be left with nothing ....
  7. 0
    13 June 2018 15: 22
    about the Indian dances with tambourines began, mdya those still gypsies
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  9. +3
    13 June 2018 15: 50
    It is strange that we are talking about joint development, but at the same time they only blame us for the fact that we can’t make a full-fledged aircraft invisible, the answer is obvious the mind itself is not enough
  10. +1
    13 June 2018 16: 06
    Quote: reservist
    and which station will the Americans build in India?

    None. No one. However:
    India signs 182 billion nuclear power plant contract with US
    News - 28.01.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX
    1. +1
      13 June 2018 17: 18
      REALLY UNFOUNDED, hard to believe. And don't forget, this is a former English colony. In the manual, most are nurtured by a Windsburg education. They are the worse Russia, the better the family.
    2. 0
      13 June 2018 17: 53
      again, this myth that the United States drained polymers in the atom ...
      Of course, not all buzzing, but competence is not lost
      yes, because of the risks, the construction of nuclear power plants in the USA has become prohibitively expensive and therefore not cost-effective, but things are not going well in the military commissariat, new apl + aircraft carriers are steadily coming off the slipways ...
    3. +2
      13 June 2018 19: 56
      agreement is not a contract ... it's like a canal and sewer ...
      and not at 182, but somewhere at 60, and then in the case of a contract ...
      In January 2015, Barack Obama arrived in New Delhi to, among other things, sign framework agreement with a private company, Westinghouse, independent of the US government. Exclusively true edition of bloomberg came out with an arshin title: "India signs 182 billion contract with USA for the construction of nuclear power plants. "

      182 billion are 18 APR-1000 reactors, and the word “contract” implies mutual obligations of the parties. All this sounded, no doubt, very effective, but after the framework agreement, the parties began negotiations on real, not "Bloomberg" contracts. Negotiations took place with the traditional swiftness already noted by us, making the use of the idiom “silent sabotage” generally pointless. Already in June 2016 Mr. Modi during his next visit to the USA signs with Barack Obama new document. Do you think this time is a contract? No, what are you, right ... Agreement! The fact that the Indian Nuclear Energy Corporation and Westinghouse Electric may start designing and planning construction sites in India for APR-1000 reactors in the amount of 6 (six) pieces.

      regnum.ru/news/2284106.html
      1. +3
        13 June 2018 20: 25
        So about it and the speech that two d.b.i.l.a is a force. With Indian contracts there they have such a patchwork. They will conclude a contract, it seems in 2006 - then it begins: it turns out that the blocks that they promised to build in the USA did not pass certification anywhere at all - neither in the IAEA, nor in India, nor even in the USA, and India has its own joke - they they can’t understand exactly where they need nuclear power plants in the country ... And so they were bickering with each other until 2015, like two gopniks - "Is there anything? - And if I find it? - Ale, these are my words!" laughing
        1. 0
          14 June 2018 10: 45
          so it is written above that the framework agreement on the intention to build something is not a contract with obligations on terms, volumes, prices, forfeits, etc.
  11. +2
    13 June 2018 18: 04
    Let them save money for now. They will buy ready-made, without technology. But more expensive.
  12. +1
    13 June 2018 18: 15
    This expectation is a blow to the development of the Indian Air Force.
    If elephants fly low - then it will rain. request What they wanted, they got it.
  13. +3
    13 June 2018 18: 47
    The question is posed correctly and in a timely manner - India can join NATO and solve all problems. There are many Indians, and there, in India, there is no greed in the mind. In such a state of the country and culture, a person is a valuable retail product, and India, an attractive country ... for dumping there technologies from the West and NATO, so that the enemy of Russia and China would be numerous, but weak and therefore also attractive. The whole history of Asia is filled with examples of such a scam. The Chinese learn from their history, but the Indians do not.
  14. +3
    13 June 2018 20: 20
    Quote: Topgun
    again, this myth that the United States drained polymers in the atom ...

    How many US nuclear power reactors were commissioned in 30 years? ZERO! Comments are redundant.
    How many unfinished reactors hang on their licenses to finish building at Westinghouse? Д-Е-С-Я-Т-Ь, 2 in the USA, 8 in China, this is not counting these "agreements" with India. For these 10 you have to pay contractual penalties. There are already not only polymers ...
  15. +2
    13 June 2018 20: 34
    Stupidity is always an expensive pleasure.
  16. +2
    13 June 2018 23: 03
    Dear Indian Friends! Looks like you went nuts!
    1. +2
      14 June 2018 05: 47
      Quote: Igor Levertov
      you laughed!

      Yes, it seems they are beginning to understand this ... and now they are looking for answers to the eternal "Russian-Indian" questions: a) Who is to blame? b) What to do? wink
  17. +2
    14 June 2018 05: 51
    And why should Russia share Su-57 technologies? request They don’t share Wimama technologies! No. They say: forgot! Let them remember! fool
    1. -1
      14 June 2018 08: 15
      They forgot to build vimans, but the last flight was arranged for the British in 1896, sort of like request
  18. 0
    14 June 2018 10: 50
    But aren't the American girls, as always, ears peeking out here, I would like to know?
  19. 0
    15 June 2018 11: 20
    Tejas in shock. It turns out that everything is already there for the 5th generation, and it (the 4th generation) cannot be done in any way, more than one decade.

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