The cruiser "Varyag". Fight Chemulpo 27 January 1904 of the Year. Part of 3. Boilers niklossa

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In the article that is being brought to your attention, we will try to understand the circumstances of the appearance on the cruiser of the most discussed element of its design, namely, the Nicloss boilers.

As we said earlier, in this matter, the contracts for the construction of Varyag and Retvizan directly violated the requirements of the ITC, and usually sources blame it on the drafters. Official story, represented by such authors as R.M. Melnikov, claims that Nikloss's boilers turned out to be extremely unreliable, which is why their installation on the Varyag led to the fact that in daily operation the cruiser's power plant constantly broke down and failed - accordingly, the contract speed "in life" turned out to be unattainable. Subsequently, already in our "free from the heavy legacy of socialism", a different point of view took shape, according to which the MTK specialists were uniform retrogrades and only for this reason insisted on the installation of hopelessly outdated Belleville boilers, while all progressive mankind was switching to new types of steam boilers. According to this point of view, it is not the design of the boilers that is to blame for the constant problems and accidents of Nikloss's boilers, but the low qualifications of the Varyag machine commands. In other words, the fact that Nikloss's boilers required more skilled maintenance is usually not disputed, but it is argued that the qualifications of machine instructions in others fleets quite allowed to operate these boilers, but in ours it was not, and that we ourselves are to blame for all the problems of the Varyag power plant.

We will try to understand all this impartially.

Let's start with the outdated Belleville boilers. As you know, at the end of the 19 century, there was a transition from fire tube (or cylindrical) to water tube boilers, which had a number of significant operational advantages. At the same time, there were many water-tube boilers of various types, and Belleville boilers were just one of many such boilers.

And yes, indeed, for the first time in the domestic fleet, boilers of this type were installed on the Minin armored frigate during its modernization in 1887.


Armored frigate "Minin"


However, after this, the Marine Ministry took a “time out”, either by observing the operation of boilers of this type, or under the influence of the fact that the rest of the world was somehow in no hurry to refuse fire tube boilers. Especially paid attention to England - for example, when designing the armored cruiser "Rurik" (laid in 1892 g) preference was given to fire-tube boilers for the reason that the British do not use them. They even refused a mixed power plant, in which part of the boilers would be water-tube boilers, and some of them would be fire-tube boilers, as suggested by N. E. Kuteynikov.

Strangely enough, but the Russian fleet began to widely introduce Belleville boilers only 6 years after their installation on the "Minin". Large warships laid at the end of the 1880s and the beginning of the 1890s were still equipped with fire-tube boilers. They were received by the battleships Navarin, Sisoy the Great, Three Saints, Rostislav, as well as a series of battleships of the Poltava type - they became the last squadron armadillos with "cylindrical" (that is, fire-tube) boilers. The mass transfer to water-tube boilers occurred later: the first squadron armadillos that received these boilers in Russia were Peresvet-type ships (the main ship was laid in 1895), the armored cruiser Russia (laid in 1893), an armored cruiser Svetlana (1895). You can, of course, chide the Maritime Office for this, incomprehensible than the reasonable six-year pause in the introduction of water tube boilers, but let's see what happened in the fleets of other countries of the world.

England. The first major ships of the Royal Navy to receive Belleville boilers were the Powerfulll and Terribl, built in 1894. From then until the events we described (that is, before 1898), the British preferred to put Belleville boilers on their cruisers. The armored "Diadem" laid out in 1895-1897, the armored cruisers Cressi (1898-1899 g) and Drake (1899) - all of them received Belleville boilers, and only in the subsequent 10 series of armored cruisers of the type " Kent "some ships received boilers of other types:" Berwick "and" Suffolk "received boilers of Nikloss," Cornwall "- Babcock's boilers, but you need to take into account that these three ships of the British series were laid already in 1901 g! In other words, it was not that massively abandoning the Belleville boilers in favor of some other, but even the British only risked testing the boilers of other types on serial large ships only in the 20 century.

The same can be said of the British battleships - the famous Majestic series, which gave rise to the “classic” battleships of the end of 19, the beginning of 20, the whole world, and laid in 1894-1895, still carried fire-tube boilers. The transition to Belleville water-tube boilers in the Royal Navy took place only in the next series - six Canopus-type battleships laid out during the 1896-1898 period.

In other words, in 1898, England just made a massive transfer of the main force of its fleet to the “outdated” Belleville boilers. And what about other countries?

The first major French ship to receive Belleville boilers was the battleship Brennus, built in 1889. Since then, boilers of this type have been firmly “prescribed” on French warships. Armadillos of the types "Charles Martel", "Charlemagne", "Jena" (the latter was laid in 1897 g) - they all carried the Belleville boilers. And only “Sufféren”, laid in 1899 g, got the boilers of Nikloss. True, the French began to experiment earlier on “non-capital” ships, for example, in 1897 r the battleship of the 2 class (in fact, coastal defense) Henri IV was laid with Nikloss boilers, and in 1898-1899. three armored Montcalm cruisers were laid, one of which received the Belleville boilers, the second - Nikloss, and the third - the Norman-Sigodi. On the part of the armored cruisers, the French obviously did not decide on the type of power plant most suitable for them and experimented with might and main: for example, in Gnumx g they laid "D'Antrcasto" with fire-tube boilers, and almost right there, 1894 g, laid "Gishen" with boilers Lagrafel system D'Allae. But in the same 1895 r on the stocks, stood Šatereno with Norman-Sigodi boilers, and in 1895 r the French began to build the Jurin de la Graviere with the boilers of the Guyau du Tamplet! It is usually stated that for the first time the boilers of Nikloss were installed by the French on the Friant 1897 class armored cruiser, but the fact is that the series included three ships, one of which was built with Belleville boilers, the second - with Nikloss boilers, and the third - with boilers system Lagrafel D'Allae. Uniform katavasiya!

Germany? On April 1, 1895, the first German armored cruiser Furst Bismarck was laid, and there is no consensus in the sources about the installed boilers - either Schultz or Dürr. In the next 1896 g, the 5 armored cruisers of the “Maria Louise” type were laid, two of which were Belleville boilers, two had Dyurr, and one had Niklossa. In 1898 (in December, that is, later the Russian competition), the Germans began to build "Prince Henry" with Durr boilers. At the same time, on the battleships, the Germans did not even dare to move away from the fire tube boilers - three ships from the series of battleships of the Kaiser Frederick III type had 10 fire tube boilers, and only on the Kaiser Frederick III there were 8 fire tube boilers and 4 of the Thornicroft boiler, and on Kaiser Wilhelm II, 8 fire tube and 4 systems from Schulz. But these five ships were laid in 1895-1898., And at the time of the competition were considered the newest German battleships! However, the next series of ships of the Wittelsbach type (and this is already 1899-1900!) Was the same - their power plants were a mixture of fire-tube boilers and Schulz or Thornicroft boilers.

USA? They and in 1896 g laid their next battleships - "Kirsarge" and "Kentucky" - with purely fire-tube boilers. But the armored cruiser “Brooklyn”, which entered service the same year, had Belleville boilers.


Armored cruiser "Brooklyn"


Other large ships in this period, the United States did not build.

Based on the above, we can state the following - as at 1898 r, the Belleville boilers were absolutely modern and, by the way, the only type of water-tube boiler that confirmed its high qualities in practice. What kind of obsolescence of Belleville boilers in 1898 can we talk about if the two major sea powers (USA and Germany) have not yet made the transition to water tube boilers and continued to be satisfied with fire pipe boilers? If the second fleet of the world, French, did all of their battleships of the 1 class build with Belleville boilers? If the mistress of the seas herself - England just laid down its first series of battleships equipped with these boilers? And in the Russian fleet, by the way, except for the Minin of large ships in April 1898 r, only the armored cruiser “Russia” was in service (the Svetlana was handed over to 1898 in March)

We should also remember this when we read about the breakdowns of Belleville boilers on our ships - for example, those that happened on the battleship Victory. The fact is that in the Russian Imperial Navy there was a situation when “there was not a penny, but suddenly Altyn!”: At the very beginning of the 20 of the 20th century numerous ships with Belleville boilers poured into the fleet: here and “Peresvet”, and "Diana", and "Bayan", and "The Thunderer" ... Where was the trained machine teams to take on this magnificence? Where was their teach? On the battleships of the coastal defense of the "Senyavin" type, which consisted in the training detachment, there were fire-tube boilers, and where else? On the cruiser "Russia", almost immediately after the completion of the departed to the Far East? On the "Svetlana", used as a grand duke's yacht? In general, the combination of every possible economy, with the well-known contempt for "Beelzebubs" (as the fleet mechanical engineers were scornfully called here) did its dirty work - they did not make massive retraining of teams for Belleville boilers, apparently hoping that they would sort it out themselves - well , teams and understand ... how could. However, in fairness it should be noted that problems with the transition to a new type of boilers were observed in other countries, including in England.

However, let us return to the order of the MTC regarding the Varyag power plant. All of the above seems to convince us that the MTC has made the right decision regarding the cruiser’s boilers and its requirements to install Belleville boilers on the Varyag. And if not for the crafty Charles Crump, then ...

But this, alas, is the wrong conclusion, because, despite all its obvious and incontestable advantages, the Belleville boilers were absolutely not suitable for the 1-grade armored cruiser, conceived by our Navy department. After all, what happened? The Navy tried to create their own armored deck cruiser with Belleville boilers, the experts tried, worked, but what was the result? Ships over 6 600 t with a displacement, speed 20 knots (no one knew yet that Diana type cruisers would not even show this in 1898) and with only eight 152-mm guns. Now, just two years after the start of construction (despite the fact that the official bookmark "Dian" took place in 1897, construction began in 1896), the Navy wanted to get a ship in 6 000 t, speed 23 knots and a dozen 152-mm guns - and all the same Belleville boilers. Obviously, such requirements were exorbitant for any shipbuilding company in the world, and there is a persistent feeling that MTK was well aware of the impossibility of creating a ship given TTX. Therefore, they were ready to "bargain" in matters of displacement, and, in general, in other matters too.

As is known, the firm "Germany" won the competition 1898, presenting the draft cruiser, which later became the "Askold". But then another German company, Vulkan, proposed, albeit belatedly, the more advanced project Bogatyr. As a result, for the Russian Empire, according to one technical assignment, three different companies built three armored fighters of different projects. In general, they had the fact that none of them had installed Belleville boilers. On the “Akolde”, the boilers of the Thornicroft-Schulz system were installed (which is somewhat incomprehensible, since in the German fleet itself the Schultz boilers and Thornicroft boilers were distinguished separately). The "Warriors" were installed Norman boilers.

What gave the use of such boilers? Of course, weight savings. Thus, the power plant of the Bogatyr type cruisers had a rated power 19 500 hp, and its weight was 1 200 t. For the sake of fairness, we’ll clarify that the weight is given according to the weight list of Oleg, not Bogatyr itself, but they are unlikely to differ significantly. We will not recall the power plant "Dian" (almost 1 620 t with power only 11 610 hp), but let us turn to the Bayan, an armored cruiser built in France, which, in general, can be considered the same age as the Bogatyr. The Bayan was expected to reach 21-node speed, and therefore, although it was somewhat larger than the Bogatyr, its power plant had a nominal power in 16 500 hp. But "Bayan" was equipped with Belleville boilers, and the weight of its cars and boilers was as much as 1 390 t.

In other words, one ton of mass of the Bogatyr power plant accounted for 16,25 horsepower, and one ton of the Bayana power plant was only 11,87 hp. A direct recalculation is unlikely to be correct, but we will not make a big mistake by assuming that to ensure the power of the 19 500, hp (as in “The Bogatyr”) would require an energy plant with Belleville boilers weighing about 1 640 tons. In other words, in order to place Belleville boilers on the Bogatyr cruiser, it was necessary to find somewhere a weight saving in 440 tons. What simple sacrifices one would have to make are two simple figures: the weight of the Bogatyr’s entire artillery armament, together with the turret mechanisms (but apparently without armor of the turrets) was 550 t, and the total mass of the armor was 865 t.

Theoretically, probably with Belleville boilers, it would have been possible to get a high-speed cruiser with a displacement within 6 500 and speed in the 23 knot, but it would be so unintelligible and crystal something, and with such a minimum of armor and armament, that no military sense in building such there was no ship.

Consequently, the fact that Charles Crump immediately refused to use on Varyag (there is a separate talk about Retvisan here) Belleville boilers, if only he talks about something, so only about the professionalism of Mr. C. Crump, who immediately realized the impossibility construction of high-speed cruiser given parameters.

Such a statement may seem inconsistent to the reader - well, of course, as the author described the entire previous article of the cycle, which Charles Krump is a resourceful and roguish predator. But the fact is that neither now nor then did life consist of black and white — either the knight on a white horse, or the serpent struck by it. Of course, Charles Crump is a revolver and a crook, but this does not mean that he was a worthless shipwright.

But whether C. Crump was right in proposing precisely the boilers of Nikloss is another question.

I must say that about the boilers of Nikloss, the Internet battles do not subside even now. On the one hand, it seems completely understandable that their design is much more complicated than that of the Belleville boilers, there are numerous testimonies about the capriciousness of these boilers, the conclusions about their uselessness for domestic ships, and they did not take root, did not become the main one fleet of the world. But supporters of the point of view that these boilers were fully capable, only demanded a high level of training for the firemen, have a very strong argument in defense of their point of view. Yes, the Nikloss boilers did not really conquer the world, but nevertheless they were put on many ships of the USA, France, England, etc. And what is interesting is that if the sailors of some countries were dissatisfied with them and scolded Nikloss for something worthwhile, in other countries nothing is observed - it seems that boilers are like boilers, maybe not the best in the world, but some serious criticism of them there was no work. From this it is usually concluded that in those countries where the operation of the boilers of Nikloss did not cause any particular problems, the sailors were sufficiently prepared to handle them, and the sailors of other countries, where such problems did occur, should be criticized less and “ there was more combat and political training, then, you see, there was no reason to swear.

We will try to figure out who is right and start with the design features of steam boilers of that time, trying to describe them as accessible and simple as possible.

What was a fire tube boiler? Roughly speaking, it is a firebox on which the capacity with water is put. But the heat in this case would only heat the lower part of the tank, and it was too slow, so “smoke tubes” were inserted into the water tank, passing through the entire tank with water from the firebox to the top of the tank - the heat from the fire rose through these tubes, heated them and the water around them. Actually, from this boilers and received the name of the fire tube.

Water-tube boilers worked exactly the opposite - in the furnace were laid pipes through which water flowed, respectively, the flame heated these pipes and the water inside them. If we look at the Belleville boilers, we will see that these pipes were made up by a “ladder” inside the boiler — water was supplied to the lower one; it went to the upper ones in the form of steam, which left the steam tank.

The cruiser "Varyag". Fight Chemulpo 27 January 1904 of the Year. Part of 3. Boilers niklossa

Belleville boiler


It seems to be a simple and clear design, and what else can you think of? The company Niklossa came up with: instead of the usual tube, they used a “matryoshka”, one tube was inserted into another. The inner tube of small diameter was supplied with water, which (already in the form of a steam-water suspension) fell into the outer tube (the outer tube had a plug at the end, but the inner tube remained open). In order for this system to work, a unit such as a junction box, in which the water pipes were stuck, was provided in the Nikloss boiler.


Cauldron of niklossa


At the same time, in one part of the junction box there was water supplied to the “inner” tubes, and to the other part, steam came from the “outer” tubes and from there it got into the steam collector. The special pride of the company Nikloss was the method of fixing the tubes and the junction box - these were special clamps, which were easily pulled out after removing the tube without disassembling the boiler itself (but this was not possible with Belleville). In this way, the excellent maintainability of the Nikloss boilers was achieved.

In general, the construction of the Nicloss boilers was more complex, but potentially much more efficient than that of the Belleville boilers. However, MTK experts almost immediately saw two weak points in it, which could lead to numerous breakdowns.

The first is the junction box, which was located dangerously close to the firebox and, of course, was heated from it. The junction box of the Nicloss boilers was made of ductile iron, and MTC quite rightly pointed out that such a complex and bore-rich structure, subjected to constant but uneven heating, will experience strong internal stresses that can lead to its deformation or even the formation of cracks.

The second is the formation of scale in the tubes. In Belleville boilers, the consequences of this unpleasant process (which could ultimately lead to the tube being burned out) were removed by some procedure called “blowing out” - unfortunately, the author of this article does not know exactly how and what the water pipes were blown through. Nevertheless, it worked in the Belleville boilers, but in Nicloss boilers it did not, and in order to clean the water-heating pipes from scale and so forth, they had to be removed from the boiler completely. However, the constant getting of the tubes “back and forth” naturally had to lead to the fact that the clamps, which ensure the tightness of the connection of the tubes and the junction box, loosened over time and did not provide the necessary tightness. In addition, it was necessary to understand that in any case the pipes covered the cinders from the firebox, they seemed to be “glued” to the junction box, which made it difficult to pull them out even with a perfectly working lock — often a sledgehammer and a blowtorch were needed for this. In such conditions, of course, to ensure the work of the clamp was even more difficult. Actually, a significant part of the accidents of the Nikloss boilers did just that - the lock holding the tube broke, and the tube “crawled out” during the boiler operation - and, of course, the pressurized steam broke out and did its dirty work.

So, the key question of the efficiency of the boilers of Nikloss was precisely that they demanded the highest quality manufacturing of the junction box, clamps and tubes. How difficult was it to achieve the desired quality?

Recall that the head of the Marine Ministry, P.P. Tyrtov raised the issue of the production of Nikloss boilers at the Baltic Shipyard. However, the plant manager, C.K. The warrior, although he confirmed the fundamental possibility of manufacturing basic parts, refused to guarantee the quality of the junction boxes. Probably, the Baltic plant was not the best ecumene plant, but certainly not the worst, and even if it did not provide the required quality, who then could guarantee it? Probably some of the best companies in the world.

And now let's ask ourselves a question - who, in fact, produced Nikloss's boilers? Alas, the answer "Nikloss's firm" will be too general and not entirely correct, because, as you can understand, boilers of this design were produced by different countries and at different factories. Perhaps the last major warships to receive the Nikloss boilers were the Courbet-class French dreadnoughts. But their construction began in 1910, that is, four years after J & A Niclausse stopped dealing with steam boilers for ships and reclassified to the production of cars with internal combustion engines.


Car company Nikloss


But if so, then the logical question arises: is it possible to expect that all these boilers of the same design, but completely different manufacturing plants were of the same quality? Obviously not: and now is the time to recall the monograph by RM. Melnikov, in which, when describing the order of the boilers of Nikloss for Varyag, he indicates:

"Meanwhile, the plant in Chicago, which voluntarily chose Crump, started the production of Nicloss boilers for the first time."


What was the quality of the products of this plant? As is known, a skilfully staked crack was found in the collector (junction box) of one of the boilers. That is, the plant did not cope even with the manufacture of the part, it was initially defective, and what quality can we talk about here?

Based on the above, the author of this article makes the following assumption (this is a hypothesis, not more). The efficiency of the boilers of Nikloss largely depended not only on the quality of service, but also on the quality of workmanship. In those countries that were able to ensure the highest quality standards in their production, these boilers did not cause any special complaints, and where this quality was not ensured, the sailors drank sorrow with them. The boilers of the cruiser Varyag, alas, were of poor quality, hence the problems of the crew of the cruiser Varyag.

True, the question then arises - is it possible to base such a conclusion on just a few words of one, even if a very respected author? Of course you can not, but let's see what happened with the boilers of Nikloss in the United States. We repeat once again - we are not interested in the experience of using them in England or France for the simple reason that boilers for ships of these countries were produced at other non-American factories, and, in accordance with our hypothesis, it does not make sense to compare them with US products.

So, as you know, the US admirals in 1898 g, comparing the results of operating their low-bordered "Indian", most likely a type of extremely powerful coastal defense battleship and the only high-breasted battleship Iowa built at that time, issued an unequivocal verdict on the preference of ocean-going ships . At that very moment, the Retvizan project turned out to be very useful, and the US Navy ordered the construction of three battleships of the “Men” type, which were laid down in the 1899-1900.


Battleship 1-class "Maine"


At the same time, the lead ship of the series - the Maine itself, which entered service at the end of 1902 g, received the Nicloss boilers, the other two - the Thornycroft boilers. What's next?

The next series of battleships in the United States — the five Virginia-style ships deployed in 1901-1902 — were a real triumph for the Nicloss boilers — they received the 4 battleship from 5 (Babcock-Wilcox boilers were installed on the Virginia boilers). But in the Connecticut series that followed in 1903-1905, the Nicloss boilers mysteriously disappeared, replaced by Babcock-Wilcox products.

And the same thing happened among armored cruisers. After having distinguished himself in the Spanish-American War "Brooklyn", in 1901-1902. on the stocks there was a series of armored cruisers of the type "Pennsylvania" consisting of six ships. As far as the author is aware, two ships from this series - the “Pennsylvania” and “Colorado” - received the boilers of Niklossa. But on the next "big cruisers" - four ships of the "Tennessee" type, the boilers of Nikloss were not installed - only Babcock-Wilcox.

We also know that the power plant of the battleship Maine caused numerous complaints from US sailors, which is why the ship was even called a coal eater. And it is of considerable interest that before the 1902 g, that is, while the battleship “Men” was still being built, the Americans widely used the Nikloss boilers for large ships under construction, but starting from 1903 g, after “Men” entered service, they completely stopped do. Of course, the logical rule can never be forgotten: “after this, it doesn’t mean as a result of this,” but ... In total, the Americans built seven large ships with the Nicloss boilers - five battleships and two armored cruisers. So, they later replaced the Nikloss boilers with different design boilers on five of them: the Maine itself, two battleships of the Virginia type, and both armored cruisers. And this is about something, yes it says.

Based on the foregoing, we can conclude: C. Crump was absolutely right in rejecting the Belleville boilers for the Varyag, but it was not worth allowing him to replace these boilers with the American version of the Nikloss boilers. The marine department should insist on using the Schulz-Tornikroft or Norman-Sigodi boilers, which were subsequently installed on the Askold and Bogatyr cruisers and with which the “Krivorukov” mechanical engineers of our fleet were well controlled. And after all, what is interesting is that the MTK specialists understood the potential problems of the Nicloss boilers, so why did they end up in the contract with Charles Crump?

Truly, in relation to our Maritime Ministry in this case the proverb would be best suited: "The left hand does not know what the right hand is doing." Apparently, the situation was as follows: V.P. Verkhovsky, who, as we know, was a supporter of the Nikloss boilers, bypassing the MTC, convinced the General-Admiral of the excellent quality of these boilers and the latter authorized them to be included in the agreement with Kramp. MTK specialists were a bit late: 14 on April 1898, just 3 days after signing contracts for the construction of Retvisan and Tsesarevich, MTK issued a decree categorically prohibiting the use of Nikloss boilers on warships of the Russian fleet. Alas…

Can we consider that “a scoundrel and a villain C. Crump slipped into the Russian sailors unfit boilers”? Oddly enough - no, nothing like that. The fact is that at the time of the conclusion of the contract, the advertisement of the Nikloss boilers was very strong and there were reports about their successful application, but information about the problems arising from their operation was not yet publicly available. Thus, C. Crump did not want the Russian Imperial Navy to be bad at all - he chose effective, and generally agreed, successful boilers for the Varyag and Retvizan, as they were produced directly in the United States and it would not be necessary to order them somewhere in Europe, to transport them to the USA, to incur extra expenses from this ... That is, the decision of C. Krump does not mean that he is some kind of pest, on the basis of the information that was in his order, he made quite a logical choice. Unfortunately, it turned out that this choice is wrong.

So who is to blame? Generally speaking, there is a great desire to blame everything on V.P. Verkhovsky - apparently, it was he who became the "conductor" of the ideas of Charles Crump. But here it is not so simple.

Recall the story of the boilers of the armored cruiser "Rurik". NOT. At that time, Kuteynikov advocated the installation of Belleville boilers, which, in his opinion, were much better than fire-tube boilers, but he was stopped by the caution of other officials who preferred the old, less efficient, but time-tested boilers. Nothing like? V.P. Verkhovsky, too, could see retrograds in the MTC, out of habit of not wanting to accept something new ... Today, in the case of Rurik, we curse the inactivity of the Navy department because we know that Belleville boilers turned out to be better. But what would have happened if N.E. Kuteynikov had the opportunity, bypassing the rest, to order Belleville boilers for Rurik and would he do that? We would see him as a hero. But N.E. Kuteynikov such a possibility was not. And V.P. Verkhovsky - was, and who knows, from what motives did the admiral actually proceed in the process of "promoting" the boilers of Nikloss? It is easy for us to judge today, because we know what happened afterwards, but V.P. Verkhovsky could not know this. In other words, the motives of V.P. Verkhovsky in this matter is completely unclear - from a banal bribe, to a sincere desire to arrange everything in the best way, if only bypassing the ITC.

Therefore, the only person whom we can rightly blame for what happened is the Grand Duke Alexey Alexandrovich, who, by permission of the Lord, turned out to be General-Admiral.



The very “7 pounds of the most august meat” that provided such “management” to the Marine Ministry entrusted to its care, with which today the specifications for the newest ships of the fleet with Nikloss boilers are signed, and tomorrow the very same boilers are anathema.

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  1. +6
    12 June 2018 06: 06
    Thanks for the competent article.
    PS
    1. In fact, with the "goddesses" is not so bad. Their airborne salvo is five guns. “Varyag” has six. The shortage of speed is not the result of "wrong" contours, but the incorrect placement of variable loads. The Japanese coped with this task perfectly: they had a "Pallas" at a speed of 20-21 knots.
    2. Water tube boilers have only been introduced even in the leading fleets, so fire tube boilers still had certain advantages. It is enough to recall that among the supposedly “high-speed” Japanese armored cruisers of the “Asama” type, it was the first couple, equipped with fire tube boilers, with 17-18 knots that showed the highest speed. Problems with tube boilers plagued the British fleet all the way to the Duncans. Accordingly, such problems were in the Japanese fleet.
  2. +5
    12 June 2018 07: 02
    Strange what ...
    My opinion regarding problems with boilers at the Varyag was the qualification of the engine crew, although it was the ship’s power plants that attracted me at one time.
    You know how, dear Andrei Nikolaevich, to change points of view. drinks Now, the issue of the quality of the CMU is added to the question of qualifying stokers, although the cruiser was a relatively new and important criterion to know how intensive its operation was, which to a large extent affects the wear of the boilers. In any case, the preparedness of the crew is not in last place.
    You convinced me that you need to look at the problem from all angles (although I myself am for such an approach), because the answer may be to analyze the operation of the cruiser in the period before the REV with a list of all the faults of the KM group, repairs, quality of spare parts, quality of repairs itself. For the most part, this will remove questions regarding the Varyag EC and its speed data at the time of the events in Chemulpo. One could, of course, refer to the published monographs of the ship, but your opinion is interesting hi
    Article plus!
    Sincerely, A.N.
    1. +3
      12 June 2018 11: 12
      Greetings! So yes, analysis of the operation before the REV would not hurt. Something negative reports from the first captain Varyag Baer was not noticed, although somewhere there was some information that with him the cruiser often went to 20 knots, which led to premature wear of the boilers. Which automatically leads to the conclusion that the boilers worked normally.
      1. +2
        12 June 2018 11: 52
        Quote: Nehist
        Yes, analysis of the operation before the RPE would not hurt

        And where without him? :)))))
    2. +1
      13 June 2018 08: 04
      The issue of quality of the CMU is a serious one. Let me give you an example with a series of Asama cruisers. This type of cruiser had a lightweight CMU, which was completely out of class with ships. The cruisers of the Zara type had exactly the same problems. Having shown speeds of up to 35 knots during testing, during the operation they went really at 29-30 knots.
      The slowest of the Asama cruisers was the Azuma. Since, to the ease of CMU, another problem was added: disgusting assembly.
  3. +2
    12 June 2018 07: 38
    Wonderful! A very thorough analysis.
    True, as I understand it, boilers were not the only problem of the Varyag. When testing, it was common to heat bearings.
    In the afternoon of October 9, having finished assembling the right-hand car, we tested both cars at moorings and spent the next day at sea in trials. As soon as they returned to the raid, we asked about the test results for the report to the governor from the observation post of Golden Mountain on a semaphore. They answered that the machines worked properly and well, they tested at speeds up to 110 rpm corresponding to 16 nodes. In fact, it was not so smooth. According to the logbook, by evening, it was necessary to reduce the speed due to heating of the stern head bearing of the CVP of the left machine. Apparently therefore, following the instructions of the governor to continue progressive tests without haste, a new exit was delayed for a week
    1. 0
      14 June 2018 00: 00
      I would like to recall that an interesting version about the lack of foundations was expressed regarding heating.
      1. 0
        14 June 2018 11: 08
        By the way, yes.
  4. +6
    12 June 2018 09: 42
    1.
    distinguished separately boilers Schulz and boilers Schulz

    Olepyatka? :)
    2. The author was pleased with the increased objectivity of the review, and even on such a controversial issue.
    I would like to add that in those days, the quality issues of a particular instance could not be resolved, in principle, there was no non-destructive testing and other flaw detection :), therefore, the destruction of the tubes themselves cannot be indicative of boiler defects.
    And the control of the technological process could not always be implemented at a high level due to the lack of standardization and accurate calculations in the design, while the quality jumped from copy to copy.
    Problems with boilers and machines were widespread.
    On Tsesarevich, for example, when installing Belleville boilers, a significant manufacturer marriage was revealed, and the cruiser Oleg (like Bogatyr) went straight to Tsushima with a crack in the steam engine.
    3. One of the problems of boilers was the ingress of salt water into the boiler, which accelerated corrosion. This problem was also on Varyag because of violations of the refrigerator.
    4. The author did not mention the important advantage of Nikloss boilers over Belleville boilers — the much inertia of the Nikloss boilers, which made it possible to gain speed faster, since it was not necessary to heat up the entire mass of water, as in Belleville boilers.
    On the other hand, the problem of tube boilers is the problem of tube deformation due to uneven heating.
    5. The author, talking about the operation of Nikloss boilers in different fleets, somehow modestly circumvented the fact that Nikloss boilers showed themselves normally on Brave and Retvisan in their native RIF :) and there were no problems with their operation.
    6. The fact that Nikloss boilers were supplanted by other boilers is quite natural - life did not stand still, new ideas developed.
    1. +3
      12 June 2018 10: 11
      4. The author did not mention the important advantage of Nikloss boilers over Belleville boilers — the much inertia of the Nikloss boilers, which made it possible to gain speed faster, since it was not necessary to heat up the entire mass of water, as in Belleville boilers.

      Sorry, isn't that an advantage any water boiler compared with fire tubes?
      5. The author, talking about the operation of Nikloss boilers in different fleets, somehow modestly circumvented the fact that Nikloss boilers showed themselves normally on Brave and Retvisan in their native RIF :) and there were no problems with their operation.

      Twenty five again! That is, a fatal emergency at the first transition is not a problem for you? And the fact that the mechanic of the "Brave" was daydreaming and spending the night on the boilers so that they worked for you "normal operation"?
      And yet, in the light of what the author wrote about the place of manufacture of the mechanisms. Boilers for the "Brave" were delivered directly from Belle France and the creator personally participated in the commissioning. That is, from them it was quite possible to expect normal work ... which did not happen.
      According to the recall of the chief ship mechanic of the boat, K. P. Maksimov, most of the tubes rearranged from the upper rows to the lower ones were hardly removed; cast-iron “lanterns” and clamping safety brackets often broke, and their fragments had to be simply drilled. Many stuck tubes could only be removed with a chain key and blowtorch. The slightest death of the tubes violated its hermetic connection with the box. Dismantling and especially assembling boilers required firemen not only great skill and utmost accuracy, but almost engineering knowledge, which, of course, they did not possess. And the fact that the boilers were still in satisfactory condition at the transition from Kronstadt to Toulon and when sailing in the Mediterranean Sea was explained only by the exceptional zeal and unlimited dedication of the boat’s chief mechanic K.P. Maximov, who, according to the boat commander, captain of the second rank S. A. Voevodsky literally did not take his eyes off the boilers and cars, personally went into all the little things, he corrected all the problems with his own hands, replacing both the drivers and the stokers, which, of course, as S. A. Voevodsky emphasized, “is not a norm poor state of affairs. "
      1. +2
        12 June 2018 10: 23
        4. It is exactly so, but in this context it is precisely these two systems of boilers that are considered.
        5. what you brought, it is particular, inevitable in those days.
        There is no doubt that Nikloss boilers required a higher level during operation, and there were much more problems.
        nevertheless, the sources you cited in the "general assessment of the project" characterize Nikloss boilers positively.
        That is, on Varyag just failed to provide service
        1. +4
          12 June 2018 11: 05
          exactly it is, but in this context it is precisely these two systems of boilers that are considered
          .
          EMNIP the rate of dilution of vapors in water tube boilers did not have fundamental differences.
          what you brought is, in particular, inevitable in those times.

          The first time is a case. The second coincidence. The third system. We have just three cases, apart from those cited by the author.
          nevertheless, the sources you cited in the "general assessment of the project" characterize Nikloss boilers positively.

          Really?
          That is, on Varyag just failed to provide service

          Two objection, colleague.
          1) KMU gunboats, armadillo and cruiser operate in different modes. Roughly, what’s good for a small car is not suitable for a truck and does not at all correspond to a sports car.
          2) Unfortunately, as I wrote above, the problems of the "Varangian" were not limited to boilers. It is possible, if there were no problems with the bearings, the cruiser's driving performance would be better even with the existing boilers. Well, he gave 20 nodes, not 23 as in the tests. It would be enough for the REV.
          1. +1
            12 June 2018 12: 07
            Admiral K.P. Kuzmich, emphasized the danger of insufficient practice of machine commands at full speed: "On our military vessels, as soon as they are fully operational, the machines start to warm up parts and sometimes breakdown." Steam in boilers is not evenly held, pressure often drops, causing the ship to lose speed. In order to develop the highest speeds in wartime, it is necessary to practice machine commands more often and possibly longer. Again, it all comes down to insufficient qualification of machine instructions
            1. 0
              12 June 2018 17: 46
              "In order to be able to develop the highest speeds in wartime, it is necessary to practice machine commands more often and possibly longer."
              Undoubtedly, but on the other hand, this would lead to increased deterioration of cars, which on the eve of the impending war and the impossibility of timely repairs would lead to the same consequences: the inability to give high speed.
              "Again, it all comes down to insufficient qualifications of machine instructions"
              The Varangian and Askold were operated under the same conditions, the qualifications of the machine teams were also unlikely to be very different, Askold was able to leave for his famous breakthrough, but after that Novik could not join the company again and not because of combat damage.
              Of course, the result of the KMO ship’s action is a combination of the crew’s actions and mechanisms, and if there were old-fashioned KP Maximov on the Varyag, the result would be different, as well as installing other boilers for Kramp.
              1. 0
                13 June 2018 18: 25
                Quote: volodimer
                Askold was able to retreat to his famous breakthrough, but after that he could not continue to keep up with Novik, and not because of combat damage.

                It’s strange ... But when examining the damage after the breakthrough, it turned out that in addition to four small underwater holes on the left side in the nose, through which water came in, there were injuries in the area of ​​the coal pits, through which water also came through the waterline. This is still not a problem (100 tons water was not dangerous), but 1 pipe was almost demolished, like half of the fifth pipe. The remaining three were riddled with small holes, like a sieve. As a result, DRAFT FALL IN BOILERS IS NOT ABOVE 15 NODES. There were no questions to the machines. For what non-SLAUGHTER damage "Askold" could not continue on to Vladivostok ???
          2. +1
            12 June 2018 21: 50
            Here in this phrase
            the boilers were still in satisfactory condition at the transition from Kronstadt to Toulon and when sailing in the Mediterranean Sea

            hid seven years of sailing in the Mediterranean, it is clear that there were problems for such a period.
            and it is clear that the boiler was not the best to maintain. On Retvisan there was only one case of a tube rupture at first, then everything was fine.
            Unlike internal combustion engines, boilers differed in quantity rather than performance on different ships. Dozens have been set.
            As for the problems of the Varangian, they were everywhere - boilers, cars, a refrigerator (it is likely that the problems of the boilers were just connected with this, salt water got into the boilers and corroded the pipes), low level of service, when the management was surprised found out that the bearing had to be ordered from a special alloy.
            A separate topic is Varyag’s problems with firing accuracy, especially against the background of Askold, whose gunners shot almost ten times more accurately, problems with rangefinders and rangefinders — you can write a separate article about Varyag’s problems.
            1. +1
              13 June 2018 00: 12
              “A separate topic is Varyag’s problems with firing accuracy, especially against Askold, whose gunners shot almost ten times more accurately, problems with rangefinders and rangefinders — you can write a separate article about Varyag’s problems.”
              I hope that the author will touch on this topic. hi
              1. 0
                13 June 2018 15: 35
                Quote: volodimer
                I hope that the author will touch on this topic.

                And where is he going to go? :)))))
          3. 0
            14 June 2018 00: 05
            Quote: Senior Sailor
            EMNIP the rate of dilution of vapors in water tube boilers did not have fundamental differences.

            Let a colleague disagree with you. You yourself recently recalled that the diameter of the tubes in the Nikloss boilers was less than that of Belleville. In addition, they differ structurally; in Belleville boilers, water is supplied sequentially. And with Nikloss in parallel. This dramatically increases the ability to boost boilers.
            1. 0
              14 June 2018 11: 12
              There would be concrete numbers ... but, alas, they are not. But the practice, it’s such ... I remember Lutonin wrote that Poltava was ready to leave within an hour, and from the Bayan they signaled that at least 3x was needed, although in theory it should be the other way around.
              Perhaps a little faster, but not at times.
              1. 0
                15 June 2018 22: 49
                But perhaps at times ..

                These battery stairs, which make up the Belleville boiler, is essentially one tube. the boiler was assembled from 8-12 batteries, usually 10. And this means that the growth rate of the amount of steam during forcing is limited by the throughput of these 10 tubes. According to the manufacturer’s instructions (Belleville), the time for dispensing vapors from a cold boiler to full speed is 5 hours. An hour after the start of the wiring, you should start warming up the machines, after 3.5 hours - turn the machines, after 4 low speed, after 5 hours - complete. Such figures are straining the military, because March 4, 1904 Jessen’s order convenes a committee of senior ship mechanics, chaired by the mechanical engineer Kigel. Agreed: for emergency breeding of cold k.B. Allocate at least an hour. Some argued that you can try to reduce to 35-45 minutes. In this case, there is a strong knock in the pipes, but there is a chance that the boiler will withstand. Moreover, this is the problem of Belleville boilers, there weren’t any figures about Nikloss, but about Yarrow and Norman boilers I saw numbers of emergency steam raising in 15-20 minutes.

                Interesting figures of the specific gravity of different types of boilers per indicator horsepower also came across: Belleville boiler - boiler weight per 1 ind. machine power about 20 kg. ; Niklos boilers - Weight of boilers per ind. l with. about 33-35 kg. ; Norman's cauldron - approx. 13 kg on 1 ind. l with. ; Schulz-Tornicroft Boiler - Weight k. Per 1 ind. l with. OK. 19 kg; Yarrow system boiler - weight k. Per 1 ind. l with. - 23.5 kg.

                Surprisingly, it turns out that the Belleville boiler should be lighter than the Nikloss boiler, although sources often say the opposite! But ... Not so simple. Often you will notice that when pointing to Belleville boilers, the authors specify “with an economizer” or “WITHOUT an economizer” these boilers are installed on a ship. And here at the cauldrons of Belleville ambush. If Nikloss’s economizer is immediately integrated into the design, then for KB economizer is another set of the same battery cells. Well, a place to place it, of course. That immediately at least double the specific gravity per hp

                In general, an interesting point came up. It turns out that the greater weight of Belleville boilers is not necessary at all, here the formula has several variables and maybe several options with c. and Ph.D. and even with a couple of old cylindrical boilers to the heap.
                1. +3
                  16 June 2018 08: 05
                  A colleague, I’m not ready to argue, but the figures cause certain doubts. However, it’s good that they are.
                  1. 0
                    25 June 2018 22: 29
                    Keep with these numbers:

                    https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%AD/%D0%9
                    2%D0%A2/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%80%D1%8
                    3%D0%B1%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B
                    5% D0% BB

                    And yes, and Belleville also the steam was "raw." And there was no superheater, as well as a place for it
                    1. 0
                      26 June 2018 06: 41
                      thank. I'll see.
  5. +5
    12 June 2018 13: 18

    This ad lists almost all ships equipped with Nikloss boilers.
  6. +10
    12 June 2018 13: 40
    Nikloss boilers contained a number of technical solutions that, at the level of metallurgy and mechanical engineering of the late XNUMXth and early XNUMXth centuries, simply could not be solved.
    The first is a large number of metal-to-metal compounds. To ensure the tightness of such compounds so that they do not constantly "siphon", the task is still not simple. Moreover, with an increase in the operating life, this moment turned into a huge problem due to a large leak of water into the furnace zone.
    The second, as already mentioned, is a collector, which is a very complex cast-iron piece, and which was also very moody and often pricked. One of the collectors from the factory already arrived at Varyag defective with a carefully cracked crack.
    The possibility of easy replacement of tubes existed exclusively in theory. If the tubes were not removed for a long time, then they had to be broken out, and their remains should be drilled from the body. Naturally, compliance with the tightness under such conditions could not be considered.
    All these fundamental shortcomings could not be compensated for by any, even super-high qualification of the machine team. So it is no coincidence that already in 1906, J&A Niclausse changed its profile and began to produce cars with internal combustion engines.
    1. +4
      12 June 2018 21: 39
      The technical level in those days was not the highest, and this did not apply only to boilers.
      BELVILLA BOILER, steam sectional, water-tube boiler, each section of which consists of two vertical rows of boiling pipes, which are arranged obliquely like flights of stairs and connected in series with their ends using special boxes of malleable cast iron, forming this way. elements that easily allow disassembly and assembly of the entire steam generator system.


      The same compound is metal to metal.
      The Niklosses, of course, were not the best in service, but they worked quite well on Retvisan and the Brave, although they required increased attention and the level of service.
      On Retvisan, at the beginning of operation, there was a tube rupture with the injured, but in the future the boilers worked quite normally.
      In the case of the Brave, the merit of the mechanic is of great merit, of course, but it must be borne in mind that the Brave sailed the Mediterranean for seven years without repair - only by the forces of the team
      1. +1
        12 June 2018 23: 38
        You know, in order to compare two boiler designs, it is not enough to copy a paragraph of an article from a site like zhurnal.lib. A steam boiler is a rather complex thermal unit and in order to compare boilers of different manufacturers, it is nevertheless necessary to more or less represent the design of all its components and the principle of operation, because even a metal-to-metal connection can have a completely different design. Unfortunately, despite the abundance of all kinds of publications and forums, I can not recall a single professional article with a detailed analysis and comparison of the device of steam boilers that equipped the RIF ships.
        1. +1
          13 June 2018 00: 10
          The paragraph is just for clarity that a similar system of pipe mounts was used not only on Nikloss boilers, just for this you do not need to deal with the entire system.
          Belleville boiler is just not very complicated for a person with a technical background.
          Three-collector boilers, for example, boilers - Yarrow, Tornicroft, Tornicroft-Schulz and others - are noticeably more complicated.
          I also did not see a single professional analysis of boiler systems, and it is difficult to find a serious analysis of individual types of boilers, therefore it is difficult to conclude why the operation of the Niklosses on the Brave that you wrote about was accompanied by such problems - was this a feature of the system, lack of maintenance or defective individual elements of the boiler.
        2. +2
          13 June 2018 01: 31
          Actually, in the light of the consideration of the subject of this series of articles, the most important question is whether it was possible to ensure the operation of Varyag boilers at the level of Brave and Retvisan. And, if possible, in principle, was it provided?
          If not provided, whose fault was this?
          There are other questions, for example, why did Crump choose this particular type of boiler?
          Maybe this is not global :), but for a specific issue, in my opinion, more important.
          1. 0
            13 June 2018 03: 46
            Why did Kramp choose this particular type of boiler? Andrei wrote in the article (produced in the states) Hmm ... Of all that I had come across, the boilers worked as usual before the cruiser arrived in Arthur and did not cause any particular complaints. What happened then the mystery hidden in the darkness
            1. 0
              13 June 2018 11: 39
              Well, not really like that
              Throughout the transition by the Red Sea, right up to Aden, under the sultry African sun and under the light of ship chandeliers, work on the Varyag deck, turned into a huge open-air workshop, did not stop. Over 5000 boiler tubes, evaporative and circulating, were cleaned and washed of precipitation from the inside, scraped off of soot and soot from the outside. There was no doubt about the integrity of these works - sloppiness and negligence were impossible on the ship of Commander Baer, ​​who even liked to check the engine room with a handkerchief in his hand.
              Nevertheless, it was not possible to avoid accidents: on November 14 the pipes in the existing boiler broke, the next day - in two at once, and in a day - in another. With a mixture of boiling water and steam escaping from the blower, eight of the sailors and stokers on guard were scalded, one of them very seriously. Puzzled by the complete absence of defects on the surface of broken pipes - no precipitation, no signs of corrosion. But this did not console, and the stokers were now trying to stay away from the boilers.
              They began to think in St. Petersburg - another report by V. I. Baer about misadventures in the Red Sea, Admiral P. P. Tyrtov addressed V. P. Verkhovsky “to formulate an opinion on the properties of Nikloss boilers”.

              Obviously, Baer, ​​in comparison with Rudnev, was more strict in this regard ...
              1. +1
                13 June 2018 12: 45
                And again the question arises about the competence of Rudnev as the commander of the ship ...
                1. 0
                  25 June 2018 22: 37
                  Alekseev’s man is, in my opinion, a characteristic
  7. +6
    12 June 2018 15: 45
    Naum Sindalovsky
    Three colors of forbidden love in the interpretation of urban folklore
    Published in journal: Neva 2010, 8
    In June 1905, despite the fact that Alexei Alexandrovich was the uncle of Emperor Nicholas II, he was dismissed. “It would be better if you, uncle, stole twice as much and made armor twice as thick,” the emperor told him.
    Aleksei Aleksandrovich, about whom in the St. Petersburg salons, restaurants and institutions of the most undemanding taste they used to say: “Seven pounds of august meat,” was a man of great growth and a powerful physique. According to contemporaries, this was the most handsome man among the Romanovs. But the grand duke’s lifestyle and his very modest knowledge of maritime affairs allowed St. Petersburg wit to talk about him as “a fan of fast women and slow-moving ships” or, in another version, “nimble ladies and hulking ships.” It is clear that “fast” and “nimble” were understood as women of rather easy behavior.
    His motto was: “I don't give a damn about everything”, and he was constantly in pursuit of more and more pleasures and entertainments. The famous expression “Walking in a princely way”, they say, spread throughout Russia thanks to him and came from the habit of the Grand Duke to waste money on women, casinos and restaurants in Paris. “Parisian ladies cost Russia one battleship per year.” - joked bitterly in society. And the necklace donated once by Alexei Alexandrovich to one of his mistresses was called: “Pacific Fleet”. In St. Petersburg, they told a story that happened once during a performance at the Mikhailovsky Theater. At that time, Aleksey Aleksandrovich's mistress was an actress of the French troupe, a certain Balletta, who, according to her contemporaries, possessed “a little talent and a rather ordinary appearance”. As soon as she stepped on the stage, sparkling with diamonds, “like a Hindu idol,” from the front ranks a voice came out to the public: “Here, gentlemen, where are our battleships! That's where our cruisers are! That's where the destroyers are! ”
  8. +7
    12 June 2018 16: 49
    In Belleville boilers, the consequences of this unpleasant process (which could ultimately lead to burnout of the pipe) were removed by means of a procedure called “purge” - the author of this article, unfortunately, does not know how and by what the water pipes were purged.

    The boiler tubes were purged from scale and sludge (and to this day is carried out) by the steam-water mixture of the boiler itself. Opening special purge valves in the steam-water (upper) and water (lower) drums. The steam-water mixture under pressure "removes" the sludge and scale. Naturally with the loss of a certain amount of boiler water. The more often the purge is (oddly enough) the lower the specific consumption of boiler water. Although of course you need to know the measure.
    1. +4
      12 June 2018 17: 06
      Thank you! hi I'll know.
      1. +5
        12 June 2018 18: 26
        At your service. hi In his youth, in practice, he worked as a steam engine boiler operator.
        1. +2
          13 June 2018 21: 38
          Alexey, sorry for perhaps a naive question: what is the frequency of this procedure? I need it. Fresh, just settled scale - the sediment is still quite loose and can be removed with great pressure. But the crystallized carbonate acquires the crystalline structure of marble, so that with a simple stream of gas you will have little help here. So I wonder how often you had to do this?
          1. +2
            13 June 2018 23: 32
            If the crystal - write is gone. It is necessary to change the handset. They tried it a couple of times with a drill - you won’t guess how it got through the wall. As for the periodicity - in our country (in the Baltic) it was like this: On the go, once a day, “on top” and once every 3-4 days, “on the down”. In the parking top-bottom: once a week. But this is if some dirt was not pumped into the boiler.
            1. +3
              14 June 2018 16: 04
              Understood, thank you very much. Actually, I guessed that the boiler department was not a kindergarten, now I understand that hell. You'll ruin the ship a little. Moreover, it is clear why so much is said about boilers.

              Here the thought arose: maybe someone will give at least a brief overview of steam boilers, cars and the first turbines of the time? I would love to read the article and comments to it.
              1. +1
                15 June 2018 16: 21
                Read Mark Twain's Life on the Mississippi. There are about steamboats, about racing on the river. About boilers and victims.
                And an article (or a series of articles) about steam equipment ... I would read it myself. With pleasure
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          2. +2
            18 June 2018 15: 25
            Blowing out the boiler is a half measure that reduces scale formation.
            With intense evaporation of water in the boiler (drum), an increased content of calcium salts and sodium chlorine is formed. There are two types of purging, the lower and upper. The lower funnel installed in the water drum below displays the lower layer of water saturated with salts and fur impurities.
            The upper purge funnel is installed at the top at the boundary of the upper water level, it removes foam and oil fractions that have fallen into the feed water (condensate)
            Oil fractions are dangerous in that they cover the pipes from the inside and interfere with the heat exchange, which leads to the burning of the pipes and a serious boiler accident.
            The frequency of purging depends on the quality of the water. Chemistry analysis is now being done.
            I myself saw tubes with a diameter of about an inch completely blocked by scale.
            Plus, fur cleaning periodically occurs - the boiler is decommissioned, it cools down and the tubes are manually cleaned with metal ruffles (brushes).
    2. +4
      13 June 2018 01: 33
      It is unlikely that Nikloss boilers can be purged in this way; their pipes are connected in parallel.
      But Belleville is consistent, there it is possible.
      1. +3
        13 June 2018 13: 17
        Quote: Avior
        It is unlikely that in this way you can blow the Nikloss boilers

        So everyone writes about it - that they were not blown, and it was necessary to remove and clean each tube separately hi
        1. +3
          13 June 2018 13: 43
          Yes. Exactly. The more often you disassemble a heavily loaded node - the more chances of failure in total !! Fatigue of metal and people. High temperatures. Yes, and a simple human desire: "to end this XP ... soon!"
          I can imagine the process of regularly disassembling the boiler somewhere in the "Mediterranean". But this is the same in the Persian Gulf or the Yellow Sea - I don’t even want to imagine. For filthy.
          1. +1
            20 June 2018 01: 32
            Quote: alsoclean
            Yes. Exactly. The more often you disassemble a heavily loaded node - the more chances of failure in total !! Fatigue of metal and people. High temperatures.

            A very valuable comment, but not only for boilers, but most importantly for cars. Therefore, there is such a saying among mechanics: "Do not interfere with the machine to work." The fact is that no matter how highly qualified the workman possesses, he will not be able to assemble an aggregate or unit ideally - there will still be displacements and damage to the places of attachment and running-in of parts.
            1. +1
              20 June 2018 16: 25
              Of course! This also applies to the shipyard. And on the go, and even more so. Marine mechanics knew this and know it. And here you are simply forced to disassemble. Someone Nikloss was smarter than others. But hot parts (even nuts) have a bad property of falling out of hands, cracking from a blow, etc.
        2. +1
          13 June 2018 14: 17
          Hmm !!! So this was originally stated in the specifications of the tubes and each one separately))) This shows only the almost complete illiteracy of the MTK, which did not bother to delve into the description of operation. Although the inventors themselves on Brave showed how to do everything ...
          1. +2
            13 June 2018 15: 33
            Quote: Nehist
            This shows only the almost complete illiteracy of the MTK, which did not bother to delve into the description of operation.

            Why? MTK was just extremely against Nikloss :)
            1. +1
              13 June 2018 15: 52
              I apologize not to MTK but to GUKiS
          2. +1
            13 June 2018 15: 33
            Well, Brave is not an indicator. Over the years of service, he did not go further than the Mediterranean Sea. Pure European water, mild climate - what could be better for a moody boiler. And then tormented.
            As for MTK, it was written like that: everyone (!) Wanted different things. And MTK, and GUKiS, and various dignitaries. Everyone wanted the best. It turned out badly because there was no one who would bring these "Wishlist" to the "common denominator"
  9. +5
    13 June 2018 01: 36
    USA? In the 1896, they also laid down their next battleships - the Kirsarge and Kentucky - with pure fire tube boilers. But the armored cruiser "Brooklyn", which went into operation in the same year, had Belleville boilers. The USA did not build other large ships during this period.

    Dear Andrey, perhaps this is not entirely true. In 1896, in addition to the aforementioned two armadillos, another Alabama was laid, and in the next, 1897, the same type of Wisconsin and Illinois.

    The official story, in the person of such authors as R. M. Melnikov, claims that Nikloss's boilers turned out to be unreliable, which is why their installation on the "Varyag" led to the fact that ... contract speed "in life" was unattainable. Subsequently, already in our “free from the heavy legacy of socialism” times, a different point of view took shape

    Here, the Retwisan project turned out to be very useful, and the US Navy ordered the construction of three battleships of the Maine type, which were laid in the 1899-1900.

    Dear colleague, since we are talking about a "different point of view", then, I think, it would be appropriate to mention with a light hand Rafail Mikhailovich who went for a walk the myth that the project of the battleship "Maine" V. Kramp, who realized the flawedness of his creations, created on the basis of the project "Retvizana". In fact, the battleship "Maine" was started by design long before Crump went to Russia, and officially the project was completed three weeks before the signing of the contract for the construction of Retvisan.
    When designing "Maine" as a basis the design of the battleship Illinois was taken. But “Retvisan” got something from the “Maine” project, namely Spardeck.
    It is likely that the resemblance of the latter to the Maine spadek led Melnikov to the idea that Maine is the American version of Retvisan.
    1. +5
      15 June 2018 10: 08
      Greetings, dear Valentine!
      Quote: Comrade
      Dear Andrey, perhaps this is not entirely true. In 1896, in addition to the aforementioned two armadillos, another Alabama was laid, and in the next, 1897, the same type of Wisconsin and Illinois.

      Yes, thanks, something I forgot about them :)
      Quote: Comrade
      it would be appropriate to mention with a light hand Rafail Mikhailovich who went for a walk the myth that the project of the battleship "Maine" V. Kramp, who realized the deficiency of his creations, created on the basis of the project "Retvisan"

      So it seems to be so, and no myth :)))
      Quote: Comrade
      In fact, the battleship "Man" was started designing long before Crump went to Russia, and the project was officially completed three weeks before signing the contract for the construction of "Retvisan".

      Yeah, that's right. But then, having familiarized himself with Retvisan, the project of the already laid down ship was reworked a little more than completely, submitted to the Naval Department in October 1898 and adopted by him. As far as I remember, there were still 203 mm guns in the initial draft, they were removed for the sake of saving already in the October draft
  10. +1
    13 June 2018 10: 31
    But in the Connecticut series that followed, laid in 1903-1905, Nikloss's boilers mysteriously disappeared - their place was replaced by products from Babcock-Wilcox.


    There is nothing mysterious about this. Boilers of French design were installed on the battleship Maine; on the Pennsylvania and Colorado there were thirty-two improved Niclausse boilers, manufactured by Sterling Chicago (Chicago); and although these boilers performed better, they were subsequently replaced by the more efficient and easier to maintain Babcock & Wilcox types. The main reason is the difficulty in inspecting the tubes and the almost inability to replace them at distant stations.
  11. +3
    13 June 2018 21: 48
    Andrew! Thank you for the great cycle. (I look forward to continuing)
    And, of course, thanks to everyone who supplemented the author with their comments.
  12. +1
    15 June 2018 12: 00
    An important feature of the Niklosses was the possibility of forcing within wide limits. Crump, fearing not to achieve contract speed, spoke out the possibility of forcing boilers.
    If it were known in advance that the “Varyag” would have given 23 knots for 16,5 thousand, then it would have been possible to completely dispense with the “belleville”, which by weight and size indicators easily fit into the cruiser.
    And in Chemulpo, it was possible to “turn on the afterburner” of the boilers for a short time, but there was no point in this - the machines were already idle by illiterate operation and the subsequent, unskilled repair.
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      15 June 2018 13: 17
      So this, it seems, is the problem of almost all Russian ships of the REV. If you knew in advance that speed is not needed, for example, to the battleships of Rozhestvensky, then by reducing the mass of the CMU they would strengthen the armament and armoring. Immediately recalls "Prince Potemkin."