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When "otvetka" does not work

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Previous article ("Fifty missiles to defeat Russia") caused not only great interest of the public, but also a lot of comments that can not be ignored. In these comments, which sometimes took on a hysterical character, the thesis was repeated with a refrain that the missile attack on the Russian gas transportation infrastructure was impossible, because we have an otvetka. This means, of course, a reciprocal nuclear strike against the enemy, so to speak, encroaching on the holy.


This repeatedly mentioned "otvetka" will be the subject of a separate analysis. Especially since I believe that such a widespread hope for a reciprocal nuclear strike is far from a harmless cause, since the belief in "otvetku" actually blocks a number of important defense measures.

With regard to the gas issue, the article proposed several measures to improve the stability of the gas transportation system to missile strikes: the dispersal of gas pipelines (at least, the Yamal "cross" just needs to build at least three to four detours), cover important points with air defense systems, create an auxiliary gas generating system near consumers. The implementation of this program is possible for 2-3 of the year, and its results will make it possible to survive a rocket attack on gas pipelines incomparably easier than in the current situation. Commentators have paid no attention to this: there is an otvetka!

A retaliatory nuclear strike seems to be something particularly scary and all-overwhelming, which is why we know that the enemy knows that we have an "otvetka", and therefore, they say, they will be afraid. In fact, this is precisely how miscalculations are born, leading to major military defeats.

If we examine the essence of the matter thoroughly, it will turn out that a retaliatory nuclear strike is not at all so terrible and devastating. He will not destroy the probable adversary or even undermine his military-economic power, and besides, for political reasons he may even be very beneficial to the probable adversary.

Since the very symbol of faith in otvetku consists of many points, a detailed examination of which would have resulted in a separate small book, we will have to restrict ourselves to brief and most significant comments. But then devote attention to all sides of the case.

City strikes

The opinion that the essence of nuclear war plans is a blow to cities has been born a long time ago and takes roots in Soviet propaganda, which diligently intimidated its citizens. In fact, all known nuclear war plans (the main content of about a dozen American plans are known, including the early versions of SIOP, the Single Integrated Operation Plan; the first of them was approved in 1961 by John Kennedy; now another plan works - OPLAN 8010-12, approved in 2012 year) are built around goals. For the earlier version of SIOP, a list of targets was compiled, which included 80 thousands of items in the USSR, China and the socialist countries. Some targets were located in cities, for example, in Moscow the plan envisaged the destruction of 6 complexes of 23 targets with nuclear bombs.


Scheme of Soviet strategic objects, drawn up for one of the early plans of nuclear war


The defeat of targets, and not a strike at cities at all, was a priority during the bombing of Japanese cities. Hiroshima propaganda was portrayed as a peaceful city, but in fact it was a major military transport hub through which Japanese troops were supplied in Korea, Manchuria and China, a major military-industrial center, and the headquarters of Japan’s 2 Defense Command was located in Hiroshima. to which the 15 and 16 fronts obeyed. A nuclear strike covered this headquarters, destroyed about 20 thousands of soldiers and officers, as well as a significant part of military stocks.


Famous American aerial photograph of Hiroshima until the moment of a nuclear strike, indicating ground zero. Above the aiming point in the photo is clearly visible the headquarters of the 2 th Japanese Defense Command. The blow, as we see, was struck at an important command center.


So, in planning a nuclear war, targets were chosen whose destruction led to a significant weakening of the enemy’s military or military-economic power. Whether these goals were located in or outside the cities did not play a significant role. Moreover, after the Second World War, during which the cities were a concentration of important objects and therefore were subjected to strong air strikes, important objects were tried to be carried out to a sparsely populated area. This was done in order to disperse and minimize possible damage. For this reason, most important objects, such as missile positions, naval and aviation bases, command posts, communication centers, warehouses, hub stations, many energy facilities, located outside cities.

So, strikes specifically on cities with the aim of exterminating the population, about which adherents of "otvetka" broadcast with rounded eyes of fear, were not only not planned, but also constitute nonsense from a military point of view. Destroying cities, but leaving troops, aircraft, fleets, missiles, as well as military and military-industrial infrastructure intact, means that the enemy can be immediately able to go to combat.

A little bit of planning a nuclear war.

Devoutly believers in otvetku also forget that from 1,1 million US military personnel, 199,5 thousand are deployed abroad, including 39,3 thousand in Japan, 34,8 thousand in Germany, 23,5 thousand in South Korea, as well as in Afghanistan, Italy, and the UK , Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain and other countries. American special forces are located in 70 countries of the world, including Finland, the Baltic countries, Ukraine, Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Mongolia (all data from 2016 of the year).

US forces are stationed at more than 730 foreign military bases, with a significant portion of them being air bases, which can always be used to deploy air forces or ground forces. The fleet command, for example, the headquarters of the 5th fleet The USA is located in Bahrain, the 6th US fleet in Italy, the 7th US fleet in Japan.

When "otvetka" does not work
US Navy 7 Base at Yokosuka, Japan


It is also worth recalling that the US allies in NATO have quite significant troops, and the total number of NATO troops in 2016 a year is 3,1 million.

Now, in accordance with the START-3 agreement, Russia and the United States have the following nuclear arsenal: US - 741 deployed carrier with 1481 warheads, Russia - 521 deployed carrier with 1735 warheads. Moreover, Russia has carriers with separable warheads, while the United States does not, according to published data.

According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), nuclear weapons statistics are:

Russia: 1,95 thousand deployed, 2,35 thousand in storage, 2,7 thousand removed from service.

USA: 1,8 thousand deployed, 2,2 thousand in storage and 2,8 thousand removed from service.

France: 280 deployed, 10 in storage and 10 removed from service.

UK: 120 deployed, 95 in storage.

Moreover, according to SIPRI, the United States has 2,05 stored thousands of strategic nuclear charges, while Russia has only 500, the rest is a tactical nuclear weapon.

From this it follows, firstly, that the probable enemy will have a larger arsenal: 2,2 thousand deployed by NATO against 1,95 thousand from Russia. In the second wave of strikes using nuclear weapons, now in storage, NATO has a more pronounced advantage - about 2 thousands of strategic charges against 500 Russian. Already from this, it completely follows that NATO as a whole is not particularly afraid of "otvetki" on the part of Russia, since it is capable of inflicting significantly greater damage on it. Secondly, the Strategic Missile Forces and the Navy of Russia are faced with a non-trivial task, as with cash to inflict maximum damage to the enemy. The question is formulated as follows: what to choose for retaliation - military bases and facilities in the United States, NATO countries and abroad, or to target warheads at military-industrial potential?

Even with the first and not very detailed look, it becomes clear that the nuclear arsenal is barely enough to suppress the vast military infrastructure of the opposing military bloc, which has about 5 thousands of bases and facilities in the US (including the largest: about 180 - US Army, 59 - large naval bases, 71 large air base) and 730 overseas US military bases. It seems that other NATO member countries will have a total of about a thousand military bases and facilities.


The layout of the main military bases in the United States



The layout of the main military air bases in the United States


Of course, you can choose approximately 1500 targets, the destruction of which is very significant (but, of course, not completely) will undermine the military power of NATO. At the same time, the city will also hook up the city (some objects are located near populated areas; for example, the American Air Base Foottam on Okinawa is surrounded on all sides by Japanese residential quarters) and will cause civilian casualties. But in this case there is absolutely nothing left for the "terrible revenge", the "otvetku", on which so many people hope so.

Moreover, in order to undermine the military power of NATO, it will be necessary to beat with nuclear strikes not only the United States, but also a whole list of countries, including those who are not formally members of NATO and generally have relatively friendly relations with Russia. For example, then it will be necessary to bomb Bahrain and Kuwait by nuclear weapons. The consequences of this, I think, are absolutely clear - the affected countries will passionately urge the entire Arab and Muslim world to come out against Russia with all their forces and means.

If you choose another option - and hit the entire cash arsenal on American cities, then in this case almost all the troops and military infrastructure of the NATO bloc will remain intact, which will allow the Americans not only to respond, but also immediately proceed to normal military operations, having This necessary forces and means. NATO in the conduct of the war can rely not only on the US military industry, but also on the European. When the combined army of NATO, which was relatively little affected by nuclear strikes, falls on the strongly weakened by the US nuclear retaliation, the outcome of the war in this case, it seems, is clear.

So, both options "otvetku" frankly bad. A strike on the military infrastructure may take some time, for several months, to bring the NATO armed forces out of operation, but then the Americans will mobilize the whole world, since there will be many injured people. The attack on American cities, as demanded by otvetka's adherents, will also allow Americans to mobilize the whole world, only in this case NATO will have enough forces at its disposal to immediately proceed to a ground operation.

Will there be enough cash for the destruction of American cities?

Believers in otvetku ingenuously believe that nuclear weapons are so powerful that they will simply wipe away all American cities from the ground, and we know that the Americans know this ...

Meanwhile, even such a powerful weapon as a nuclear one has its limits of destructive power, which can be easily calculated using the high-explosive formula, that is, the shock wave. In my book, “Nuclear War. All the Doomsday Scenarios,” I already did similar calculations and described the damage radii for various types of nuclear warheads. Since the followers of otvetka are reading little books, they will have to be repeated, at the same time as the clarification of nuclear accounting. Calculations are given on the affected area, in which the shock wave causes fatal injuries to a person.

According to open data in our arsenal are:

- 460 warheads P-36М2, power 1 Mt, radius of destruction 2800 meters, area of ​​destruction 24,6 square. km;
- 114 warheads RT-2PM, 550 CT, 2200 meters, 15,2 square. km;
- 440 warheads PC-24, 500 CT, 2200 meters, 15,2 square. km;
- 656 warheads P-29 and P-30, 200 CT, 1600 meters, 8 square. km

Total total affected area:

- P-36М2 - 11316 square. km,
- RT-2PM - 1732 sq. km,
- PC-24 - 6688 Sq. km,
- P-29 and P-30 - 5248 square. km

In total, this nuclear arsenal has a total affected area in 24984 square. km, and in this territory nuclear explosions will destroy most of the buildings and structures, as well as destroy most of the people.

Well, what is the area of ​​cities in the USA and how many people live there? The 2010 census of the year shows the following data: 106 thousand square meters. Miles (274,5 thousand sq. km) with the average population of 905 per sq. km. km The comparison shows that Russia’s nuclear arsenal is enough to destroy 9% of the urban area in the United States, where 22,6 has a population of millions. If from 24,9 thousand square meters. km nuclear strikes will be destroyed 8,4 thousand square meters. km of area 41 largest city in the US, the estimates can be adjusted - 25,5 million.


A very good prediction in the event of a nuclear attack on the territory of the United States, compiled by FEMA. The map shows two options: the purple triangles - the scenario of delivering nuclear strikes 500, the black dots - the scenario of applying nuclear strikes 2000. This map clearly shows that large agglomerations will suffer mainly.



The total population of the United States in 2010 year - 308,7 million. In this case, the victims of "otvetki" will 8,2% of the population. Surprisingly modest result.

It should also be pointed out that, according to the experience of Hiroshima, a city that did not have an excess of capital buildings, and came under a sudden nuclear attack, far from everyone who was in the zone of destruction of a nuclear bomb died. According to the Japanese Committee for the collection of materials about the destruction caused by the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which are obviously the most accurate, 320 thousand people were hit by Hiroshima, 118,6 thousand died (37%), 30,5 thousand were seriously injured (9,5% ), 48,6 thousands were slightly injured (15,1%), and 118,6 thousands were not injured (37%). Total, even in the reference conditions of a sudden nuclear attack on unprotected cities, 60% of the population suffered. If we accept this correction factor, then in the USA 15,3 million people, including 10,2 million people, will suffer from "otvetka".

The result of the calculations turns out to be discouraging for adherents of "otvetka". Losses killed in 3,3% of the US population - it is not at all "wipe off the face of the earth", "turn into glass fields", etc., etc. This does not overwhelm the United States either in the military or in the economic sense. But this blow will very much anger the Americans and their resources will be quite enough for retribution.

Now a little political cynicism. In the US, there are now many problems, the “American dream” has faded dramatically. According to the UN, in the US 40 million beggars, including 5 million living at the level of the poorest countries in the world (that is, less than 2 dollars a day), 51 million people earn not enough to make ends meet, 41,2 million people are undernourished. If the Russian otvetka removes 10 million of mouths from contentment, it will only make it easier for America.

And in general, a nuclear strike is simply manna from heaven for the American leadership, a gift from God that solves many complex and complicated problems for them.

"They attacked us"

Now it is necessary to invite the adepts of "otvetki" to imagine how the Russian nuclear attack on American cities will look like in the world mass media. There can be only one answer: “They attacked us,” “This is a terrorist act of unprecedented proportions,” “Democracy is in danger,” etc.


It is worth recalling what happened after these two small explosions. Now imagine the political consequences of a full-scale nuclear attack on the US


The American leadership will harvest a rich political harvest. Yes, it will, because it will create a situation that is provoking Russia to a nuclear strike (for example, if you continue the topic of strikes on the gas transportation system, American ships enter the Barents Sea and launch cruise missiles). The leadership itself, along with the American establishment, will hide in advance.

First, huge American debts, both external and internal, will be canceled or frozen indefinitely. Indeed, what debts, when there is such a thing and "democracy in danger"!

Secondly, as we already know from the epic 9 / 11, an emergency of this magnitude will give the American president unlimited powers and an equally unlimited credibility. After the "otvetki" Americans gently love even Donald Trump and will raise him on a pedestal as a national hero, if only he would get revenge. In general, otvetka can have no other consequences than the unprecedented consolidation of American society in the face of danger. A man-made apocalypse will only revive the American political ideology, which is basically religious, and based on the idea of ​​an irreconcilable fight against Evil. Evil is here, it flew even into the shining "Hail on the Hill", because the time to gird and arm.

Thirdly, since war is the time to trade, and in general the belligerent army is the best consumer, after the Russian otvetka, the military business in the United States will twist with a factor of ten. People in need will quickly get work in military factories, both old and new, the “American dream” will be revived (hopes for success). The new situation is resolved by many intricate social and economic problems, and the special services or patriotic American citizens themselves will immediately deal with the disgruntled ones.

Fourth, the United States will gather support around the world, including economic and military. For example, Latin American countries will easily provide the US with 10-20 million people, moreover, healthy young men, for work and service in the army. Even it is not necessary to invite, and already the US Army is recruited by immigrants serving for the promise of American citizenship. For a big war to recruit millions of fighters, promising them the coveted passport is not so difficult at all.


A happy Internationale enters American citizenship at a military naturalization ceremony. US military base in South Korea, December 2008 of the year


All this, of course, political cynicism. But, looking at how things were in the United States after Pearl Harbor, one can make quite a reasonable assumption that under such conditions the American leadership will take another trodden path. The final balance of income and expenses will be at the expense of the losing side, that is, Russia. We must still take into account that the American army can theoretically enter Moscow, but the Russian army cannot enter Washington even theoretically, because there is nothing to swim across the natural anti-tank ditch, called the Atlantic Ocean.

Thus, before offering a response in American cities, you must first calculate the consequences of this step. And the calculated consequences are such that it is better for an otvetku and not taken.

When "otvetka" does not work ...

From here my conclusions. They are very simple.

First, nuclear weapons alone do not guarantee absolute protection. Nuclear weapons as "otvetki" simply does not work. It is very useful, but as an operational-tactical means, and should be used on military sites, communications nodes, air bases, etc. the objectives to create an advantage during ground combat operations, and to be used economically, since the stock of nuclear weapons is limited and new is not produced.

Secondly, to feel safe, really, and not in dreams, we need to prepare for a long war with a numerically and economically superior enemy, and in conditions of significant destruction of our own economy, that is, with all military-economic measures, such as dispersal military industries (primarily to Siberia), the creation of specially protected underground military factories, the development and commissioning of various replacement and auxiliary industries, technologies and production units its


At the same time, a curious scheme for the deployment of the military industry in Russia was sought. As we see, in the safest place in the country where cruise missiles do not reach and enemy troops do not reach, there is almost nothing


If Russia clashes with NATO, the war promises to be long, protracted and very difficult, and this fact should be treated with understanding, so that you do not tear the hair on your head.

Thirdly, we also need new military ideas that would provide real, and not empty, superiority over a potential adversary. In my opinion, it can only be a fully automated combat army robots, based on automated factories for the production of combat robots. Then yes, we have very interesting opportunities.
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 9 June 2018 05: 47
    +47
    Well, the author "burns" no worse than in the first part. Funny no less, in any case. call nuclear weapons, operational tactical! (Well, I understand the "Iskander" and "calibres" with special units) but what about the ICBMs? and where does the blows to US cities, if the map above shows clearly that the main industrial infrastructure is along the coast! that is, if you "cover" this part, then in principle there will be no America, why bomb the cities.
    - Firstly, nuclear weapons alone do not guarantee any absolute protection. Nuclear weapons as a ответ otvetka ’simply do not work. It is very useful, but as an operational tactical tool, and should be used for military installations, communications centers, air bases, etc.
    It is clear that there will be control centers and bases under attack, and industrial centers, and not Zadrischensk and a farm in Colorado. and what nonsense about the "second wave of blows"? after the first something will remain? or a shootout in the author’s vision will be ICBMs, for some time, such as a nuclear war? nonsense ... probably everyone sees the war in their own way. request
    1. Vard
      Vard 9 June 2018 06: 18
      +49
      That is, one ordinary bomb in a pipe will practically destroy Russia, and a dozen nuclear cities in the United States will not bring significant consequences ... Well ... well ...
      1. Nick
        Nick 12 June 2018 16: 15
        +4
        Quote: Vard
        That is, one ordinary bomb in a pipe will practically destroy Russia, and a dozen nuclear cities in the United States will not bring significant consequences ... Well ... well ...

        I remember how we were told in the 80's that nuclear weapons would destroy the entire planet 7 once, a nuclear winter would certainly occur due to gigantic fires in which even metal would burn, and all life left from explosions, fires and a nuclear winter would die from radiation. Yes, nuclear arsenals have been reduced, but the remaining should be enough to destroy the planet, not ten, but once. And now it turns out that even one large country cannot be destroyed by all Russia's strategic nuclear forces. Where is the truth? And why was Trump scared of Ina, who has only a dozen other nuclear charges? Question to the author.
        1. Arikkhab
          Arikkhab 13 June 2018 11: 40
          +1
          Evgeny Pozhidaev: Nuclear myths and atomic reality
          http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1713256.html
        2. Loki_2
          Loki_2 14 June 2018 17: 07
          +1
          I remember at the lessons of the NVP, the governor told us: even if you explode all our rockets in the mines, then all living things on the planet will die. I think the author is too superficial about the consequences of a global nuclear war and the subsequent nuclear winter ...
    2. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 9 June 2018 06: 26
      +45
      The author is mistaken "in three pines" and unreasonably assumes that:
      a) bases scattered around the world can maintain a military advantage (and who will supply them after? and isn’t it easier for Qatar to force the Americans to curl up so as not to be hit?)
      b) Americans mobilize around themselves, as the injured party, the whole world (does not work in the case of the American preventive even non-nuclear strike)
      c) accompanying, indirect population losses after nuclear strikes are not taken into account (and what will they eat in winter? buttons from pants?)
      d) the American economy mobilized for war “will tear everyone to shreds” (the radioactive ruins of the factories and point “c” are not taken into account)
      e) can nuclear strikes carried out on their own territory be beneficial? (here I need to explain in detail how this headshot improves the patient’s health)
      .. well, etc. etc.
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 9 June 2018 07: 29
        +7
        Quote: g1washntwn
        here I need to explain in detail how this headshot improves the patient’s health


        Heals from all ailments once and for all. For special individuals, a completely effective pill.

        hi
      2. Dr_engie
        Dr_engie 9 June 2018 08: 08
        +11
        The world is consolidating. A passerby with fists can attack you, but if you get the barrel and shoot him in the face, then you are to blame, not him.
        And the economy will remain not only American, what will you do with Turkish, European?
        1. Vard
          Vard 9 June 2018 08: 30
          +8
          If the passerby Valuev ... Then they will give you about fifteen days ... For not sporting behavior ...
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 9 June 2018 09: 04
            +1
            Quote: Vard
            If the passerby Valuev ... Then they will give you about fifteen days ... For not sporting behavior ...

            It was already in the parking lot.
            1. Nick
              Nick 12 June 2018 16: 23
              +2
              Quote: Balu
              Quote: Vard
              If the passerby Valuev ... Then they will give you about fifteen days ... For not sporting behavior ...

              It was already in the parking lot.

              And there was nothing for Valuev. By the way, the fifty-year-old security guard whom the boxer caressed with his fist was hospitalized
        2. Max golovanovo
          Max golovanovo 9 June 2018 10: 42
          0
          If you do not miss this, then this is not his problem.
        3. Vanek
          Vanek 9 June 2018 11: 03
          +9
          Quote: Dr_Engie
          A passerby with fists may attack you, but if you get the barrel and shoot him in the face, then you are to blame, not him.


          I will come with confession.

          Sincere - time.

          “Good” behavior is two.

          Parole - three.

          They’ll let them go in seven years.

          But I haven’t met anyone from the next world.

          Coma does not count.

          hi
          1. Vard
            Vard 9 June 2018 13: 23
            +6
            But you don’t have to confess ... You will issue a confession with the investigator for a sincere confession ... And remember ... what you say to yourself ... and sit down so much ...
          2. Narak-zempo
            Narak-zempo 12 June 2018 08: 31
            0
            What do you draw upright-hearted?
            They need to work out plans and want premium awards. They will write that he was detained during a special operation and resisted. And a couple of "hangs" will be written to you, so that the indicators improve: D
        4. -Pollux
          -Pollux 9 June 2018 12: 48
          0
          Quote: Dr_Engie
          And the economy will remain not only American, what will you do with Turkish, European?

          Are you kidding? What to do with the economies of NATO countries? There was no stupid question.
        5. Dart2027
          Dart2027 9 June 2018 17: 53
          +1
          Quote: Dr_Engie
          And the economy will remain not only American, what will you do with Turkish, European?

          But the Turks and Europeans will climb out of the skin to save the owners? Hmm, kindergarten.
        6. E_V_N
          E_V_N 10 June 2018 00: 16
          +1
          Quote: Dr_Engie
          And the economy will remain not only American, what will you do with Turkish, European?

          And what will the European and Turkish economies do if the United States damages the gas infrastructure of the Russian Federation?
          A mistakenly defunct task always leads to an erroneous solution.
      3. akunin
        akunin 9 June 2018 11: 01
        +2
        I would like to recall the possible indirect consequences, but if a nuclear bomb falls into the world heritage of the unesco yellowstone caldera (somewhere the San Andreas fault was next in line), and if the forests catch fire on a large area, and in Europe and Japan the population density is mother Do not Cry + city fires (allies will rake in full)
        https://topwar.ru/8378-unichtozhenie-drezdena-194
        5-god.html and without nuclear weapons.
        in general, a nuclear war can be compared with the simultaneous eruption of several volcanoes + a good earthquake. I understand that the dangers of a nuclear winter and the effects of radiation are somewhat exaggerated, but as a result of the above, glaciers will melt and sea levels rise. China will win in a nuclear war between Russia and the United States and india.
        1. NG inform
          NG inform 9 June 2018 17: 29
          +1
          People who remember volcanoes and faults - slightly do not get along with the numbers. Atomic bombs are powerful only in ordinary dimensions. For a planet, it’s less than mosquito bites, it’s like a tiny speck of dust falling onto a large globe.
          For reference, the notorious Tsar Bomb can barely melt a cubic kilometer of ice with a temperature of -0.5 degrees. I repeat: if you detonate the most powerful atomic bomb inside an ice cube with a facet size of one km, which is already on the verge of melting, then all of its energy is barely enough to melt it. And you propose to crush many kilometers of rock.
          1. E_V_N
            E_V_N 10 June 2018 00: 23
            +3
            Quote: NG inform
            And you propose to crush many kilometers of rock.

            Have you heard that it’s forbidden to walk in bridges along the bridges, in the know why? Yes, because resonance can destroy the most durable bridge. The last drop overflows the vessel, not the liters that were previously spilled into it, and who knows which drop is the last.
            1. NG inform
              NG inform 10 June 2018 14: 18
              -1
              This is some kind of dumb bike, not to the point.
          2. akunin
            akunin 12 June 2018 17: 51
            0
            [quotePeople who remember volcanoes and faults - do not get along slightly with numbers. Atomic bombs are powerful only in ordinary dimensions. For a planet, it’s less than mosquito bites, it’s like a tiny speck of dust falling onto a large globe.] [/ Quote]
            you, like me, can only assume that there will be (or will not) still not a single bomb hit the yellowstone or san andreas, and the legend about the Khrushchev thermonuclear landmines off the state coast is still alive.
      4. bk316
        bk316 9 June 2018 13: 31
        +2
        The author is mistaken "in three pines

        I can continue your list, but I think that's enough.
      5. albert
        albert 9 June 2018 20: 45
        0
        Quote: g1washntwn
        d) the American economy mobilized for war “will tear everyone to shreds” (the radioactive ruins of the factories and point “c” are not taken into account)

        Moreover, if we add to the aforementioned nuclear attacks on American nuclear power plants. And also on chemical production and hydraulic structures at the same Missouri and Mississippi. There rivers after this scenario, will wash away forty million people.
      6. E_V_N
        E_V_N 10 June 2018 00: 13
        +1
        Quote: g1washntwn
        The author is mistaken "in three pines" and unreasonably assumes that:
        a) bases scattered around the world can maintain a military advantage (and who will supply them after? and isn’t it easier for Qatar to force the Americans to curl up so as not to be hit?)

        You can add to your list the main miscalculation of the author. Damage to the gas infrastructure of the Russian Federation will cause disproportionately greater damage to the EU economy. This will virtually destroy the entire industry and infrastructure of Europe, because Russian gas, although it occupies 30% of European consumption, is accounted for by the most developed European countries. At the same time, NATO’s infrastructure will also be destroyed, since the bases cannot function without electricity and heating.
        In the Russian Federation, the main electricity production is carried out at hydro and atomic power stations, and in Europe?
        In fact, the Russian Federation after the attack will be forced to stop the supply of energy and many goods and minerals critical for the West, which will inevitably cause a systemic crisis if not the collapse of the entire Western economy.
        Here, even a nuclear “otvetka” is not needed when in winter Europe begins to “freeze” without gas and oil.
    3. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 9 June 2018 06: 35
      +11
      The idea of ​​the article is clear: the atomic response is useless, even harmful, but combat robots are our everything!
    4. My address
      My address 9 June 2018 06: 36
      +10
      hi
      I do not agree with you, Dedkastary. The author even embellished. For example, the US area is not 0,3, but more than 9 million square kilometers. And the reason for the appearance of neutron charges is that conventional nuclear weapons are not effective enough for troops and shelters. And the sinking of ships in general is possible only with a close strike. Of course, there remains panic, nuclear winter, etc., but the mattress stubbornly leads the world to its own, and only its own, victory, hoping to sit out across the ocean.
      1. My address
        My address 9 June 2018 06: 58
        +14
        In pursuit.
        As I knew a little about what was mentioned in the article, I can say one thing:
        MORE CHARGES, GOOD AND DIFFERENT!
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 9 June 2018 07: 06
          +4
          Quote: My address
          MORE CHARGES, GOOD AND DIFFERENT!


          Pills to me from greed. Yes, more more.

          hi
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 10 June 2018 10: 01
          +1
          I completely agree with you, about which I wrote a little earlier.
          And the Americans know this, and so they dragged Brezhnev of those that followed into the reduction of strategic arms. Which was a huge mistake.
      2. Cobalt
        Cobalt 9 June 2018 10: 46
        +3
        Quote: My address
        mattress stubbornly leads the world to his, and only to his, victory

        Not to victory, but to war. Persistently, purposefully and systemically. And the enemy is appointed and designated ...
        Want peace, get ready for war!
    5. 79807420129
      79807420129 9 June 2018 08: 20
      +9
      [quote /:] Hence my conclusions. They are very simple.
      First, nuclear weapons alone do not guarantee absolute protection. Nuclear weapons as an "answer" simply do not work. [/ Quote]
      Yeah, nothing more to say. fool fool fool Another super-analyst, why only at the HE, and not at the General Staff, there are some ignoramuses there.
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 9 June 2018 11: 15
        +7
        Quote: 79807420129
        [quote /:] Hence my conclusions. They are very simple.
        First, nuclear weapons alone do not guarantee absolute protection. Nuclear weapons as a ответ otvetka ’simply do not work.

        Yeah, nothing more to say. fool fool fool Another super-analyst, why only in the VO, and not in the General Staff, there are some ignoramuses there. [/ Quote]
        During the Caribbean crisis, generals suggested Kennedy to bomb Soviet missiles from in Cuba. To Kennedy’s question, is there a guarantee that no nuclear missile with a nuclear warhead will fly to America, they answered that there is no guarantee. After which Kennedy closed the topic of the bombing. He had enough probability of arrival of at least ONE nuclear warhead, so as not to start hostilities.
        1. meandr51
          meandr51 9 June 2018 15: 19
          +3
          One reconnaissance Il-28 accidentally flew to Florida. He was noticed, but did not even intercept. Because they knew that there could be nuclear weapons on board. Just waited until it flies away ....
    6. Max golovanovo
      Max golovanovo 9 June 2018 10: 46
      +2
      I suspect that the United States will already fall into the Neolithic, if you drop the satellites, and cut the transoceanic cables.
    7. Alex-a832
      Alex-a832 9 June 2018 13: 32
      +20
      Quote: Dead Day
      nonsense...

      You can write a whole book of analytical notes on this article. Nonsense in everything, starting from numbers, information about the nature and consequences of the damaging factors of nuclear weapons and ending with causal relationships. The idea of ​​the article: Russia's response is almost a benefit to the United States and suicide for Russia. Adherents of the global non-nuclear strike on Russia are now trying to convince their countries about the same thing. I do not exclude that the article comes from the same sources. Slag. In the firebox.
    8. alstr
      alstr 9 June 2018 18: 02
      +4
      Well, you can add that in the United States you can disable 15 large energy centers and all of America will be left without electricity (if not completely the population, then here's the industry for sure).
      For some reason, blows to dams are not considered. For large ports - too.
      And in the cities it makes no sense to shoot much. And at the military bases, too, it makes no sense to shoot.
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      1. tasha
        tasha 10 June 2018 12: 52
        +1
        You look at his photo

        You shouldn’t be so. They didn’t do well ... What does a person’s appearance have to do with it?
    10. Areg babadjanyan
      Areg babadjanyan 10 June 2018 17: 34
      0
      Dude is completely off topic, it is not clear where they get such experts. It is not surprising that the country has a weak birth rate.
  2. tasha
    tasha 9 June 2018 06: 18
    +38
    And again, analytics. This is an opinion.

    in places that took on a hysterical character ... about which the followers of the otvetki broadcast their eyes with rounded eyes from fear .... Since the followers of the otvetki of books read a little, you will have to repeat


    Dear administration! When readers of VO in their comments question the adequacy of their opponents - also readers, when the authors allow themselves to doubt the reasonableness of someone - this is an evil that cannot be avoided ...
    But, when the author of the article uses such expressions to his readers, whose opinion differs from the opinion of the author, it will not end well.
    1. Goha
      Goha 9 June 2018 07: 51
      +2
      This is not an opinion, this is an "answer"
    2. wehr
      9 June 2018 15: 22
      0
      Opinion, backed up by numbers, becomes analytics laughing
      You don't seem to notice at all how often my rationality is called into question. I understand that for you it is in the order of things?
      1. tasha
        tasha 10 June 2018 04: 50
        0
        Your comment has been read.
  3. Bastinda
    Bastinda 9 June 2018 06: 18
    +21
    What kind of war? What for? A container ship came to the port, with TVs and linens, and we have 2-3 plants in ruins. Glory to the WTO! Glory to Putin!
    And the fact that the natives produce oil and gas is also not bad.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 9 June 2018 06: 41
      +20
      Quote: Bastinda
      A container ship came to the port, with TVs and linens, and we have 2-3 plants in ruins. Glory to the WTO! Glory to Putin!

      Distort.
      The factories were in ruins long before the container ship arrived.
      Closed economy is the road to nowhere, the Union showed it perfectly.
      By the way, we have already learned to sew linen. And very good. That's when they learn to make televisions in the same way - your “container destroyer” will have nothing to do here. From the word "vaasche".
      And the buyer is the same everywhere. He needs more, better and for less money. You can’t remake nature, you know, la request
      That's something like Yes
      1. Bastinda
        Bastinda 9 June 2018 08: 56
        +5
        TVs - your “container destroyer” will have nothing to do here.

        The container ship is not mine. Unfortunately.
        The USSR did everything, albeit worse than in the West, but the needs of the population were satisfied. What am I now?
        By the way, we have already learned to sew linen. And very good.

        To sew? What is there to sew ???? Probably even I can.
        Whose fabric?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 9 June 2018 09: 39
          +3
          Quote: Bastinda
          Whose fabric?

          No idea.
          Quote: Bastinda
          The USSR did everything, albeit worse than in the West, but the needs of the population were met

          In a minimal amount, yes. In general, in the USSR there was the doctrine of "the predominance of group A over group B", do not remember this?
          We recall the word “blat”, “you are to me - I am to you” (there was still such a movie) ... well, and it went on.
          How is it ... the fish is looking where is deeper, and the man ... where is the fish laughing
          1. Bastinda
            Bastinda 9 June 2018 09: 52
            +3
            "And he sold the birthright, for lentil soup ..."
            This is me about "where deeper" laughing
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 9 June 2018 10: 45
              +2
              Quote: Bastinda
              "And he sold the birthright, for lentil soup ..."
              This is me about "where deeper" laughing

              I love jokes too. But, alas, what happened happened.
          2. NG inform
            NG inform 9 June 2018 17: 34
            +5
            Damn, how do you imagine developed production, without the means of production? Moreover, in such a poor country as the USSR, which not only needs to stand up to the 800 lamas of Europeans, who are already in much better conditions, on an equal footing, but also provide their citizens with some kind of equipment?
            I’m here, after I set up production with my own hands, I look down at the USSR with delighted eyes. Steeper than him in the world there was no one, until the 75th.
        2. Captain45
          Captain45 9 June 2018 14: 35
          +1
          Quote: Bastinda
          To sew? What is there to sew ???? Probably even I can.

          Even Khodorkovsky belay learned to sew slippers and mittens, though sitting in a colony lol Well it’s nothing, it happens. They even learn to work with a tree there laughing
        3. Areg babadjanyan
          Areg babadjanyan 10 June 2018 18: 35
          0
          Got it, and okay)
      2. Max golovanovo
        Max golovanovo 9 June 2018 10: 41
        0
        In the case of TMV, bedding is not relevant, except for sheets: Wrap yourself in a white sheet, and crawl slowly towards the cemetery. Slow? Yes, so as not to create a panic.
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 9 June 2018 14: 38
          +3
          Quote: Max Golovanovo
          crawl slowly towards the cemetery. Slow? Yes, so as not to create a panic.

          I heard something similar in the army in the "training": you set fire to the Bikford cord and slowly, slowly, walk away.
          - And why slowly?
          - You’ll run, you will tuck your leg and then you won’t crawl away at all! laughing
      3. meandr51
        meandr51 9 June 2018 15: 21
        +7
        Yes, the Union showed it well. Especially Hitler. But it’s useless to show it to liberals. They have their own religion.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 9 June 2018 15: 23
          +1
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Closed economy - the road to nowhere, the Union showed it perfectly

          Quote: meandr51
          Yes, the Union showed it well. Especially Hitler

          With an understanding of the problem?
          My condolences request
      4. Cossack 471
        Cossack 471 9 June 2018 22: 12
        0
        HEADED A closed economy - the road to nowhere. and open - offshore. which is almost the same
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 9 June 2018 22: 15
          +2
          Quote: Cossack 471
          A closed economy is a road to nowhere. and open - offshore. which is almost the same

          You, as always, confuse the pedals.
          To educate you is not my task.
          An “open” (integrated into the world) economy can be completely separate from offshore. Depends on the tax regime, well ... a lot of what else depends, in short.
          Sit down, WATER negative
          1. E_V_N
            E_V_N 10 June 2018 00: 48
            +2
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            An “open” (integrated into the world) economy can be completely separate from offshore.

            Before you teach others, you yourself would understand the essence of the matter. The market cannot be global by definition, one corporation is not capable of providing, and no one will allow it to produce the entire volume of world consumption of any product. This is called Monopoly and it is fought precisely in the "civilized West". It turns out that the "world" market is a collection of local markets, hence where did you get that the market 1/6 of the land can not be "closed"?
            Golovan, how do you blurt out, read and think, whether you didn’t learn the elementary in school, or simply “kidding” winked fool
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 10 June 2018 06: 54
              +2
              Quote: E_V_N
              one corporation is not able to provide, and no one will allow it to produce the entire world consumption of any product

              You rightly said that. But by the way, I did not state the opposite. You argue with yourself, this is ... a symptom, however.
              Quote: E_V_N
              "global" market is a collection of local markets

              Interconnected markets. Keyword.
              Quote: E_V_N
              why did you get that the market 1/6 of the land can not be "closed"?

              See the highlighted word above. When it comes to the subcortex - come in.
              1. E_V_N
                E_V_N 10 June 2018 13: 37
                0
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                You rightly said that. But by the way, I did not state the opposite. You argue with yourself, this is ... a symptom, however.

                You would learn to express your thoughts in words, preferably in Russian, without numerous dots and breaks in logic in the construction of phrases. You would not have a price.
                An example of a world monopoly on the production of a product is given to indicate the complete absurdity of your postulate on the disadvantage of a "closed" economy compared to an "open" one. Moreover, the very concept of "openness-closeness" of the economy is a fake invented by journalists.
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Quote: E_V_N
                "global" market is a collection of local markets
                Interconnected markets. Keyword.

                Who told you that? Why did you get this? Markets can be interconnected for certain reasons, but in the general case, each state uses any one that has the opportunity to close (isolate) its own domestic market. Otherwise, there would be neither the WTO, nor economic litigation, nor any customs and duties there. Call me a state (except for the mumbo-jumbo tribe) in which there is not all of the above?
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Quote: E_V_N
                why did you get that the market 1/6 of the land can not be "closed"?
                See the highlighted word above. When it comes to the subcortex - come in

                It’s hard to reach your subcortex, if at all possible, it’s painful for you with all sorts of dogmas and nonsense.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 10 June 2018 13: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: E_V_N
                  the very concept of "open-closed" economy is a fake invented by journalists

                  Can you justify?
                  The Union was a "closed" (within the CMEA, well, and a few more "friendly" countries) economy.
                  Partly due to ideological reasons, due to economic reasons: in order to buy something on the "external" market, you need to sell something on the same market. But this was a big problem, in particular, because of the uncompetitiveness of the goods offered by the Union for sale.
                  Quote: E_V_N
                  Markets may be interconnected for certain reasons.

                  Not this way. Markets cannot but be interconnected due to the fact that at least one individual country is not able to produce everything and at the same time do it well.
                  Therefore, ahem, specializations arise.
                  In the case of the Russian Federation now, the country is forced to keep the market “open” simply because of the technological (and not only) backwardness of its own industry (partly the legacy of the USSR, mostly “hello from the 90s”). All these localized foreign production, foreign investment, and the like, and the like, are an attempt to jump, as China once jumped. Adjusted for the Russian specifics, essno.
                  Quote: E_V_N
                  each state uses any opportunity to close (isolation) of its own domestic market

                  Once again, you yourself build mills, and bravely fight them. No need to ascribe your thoughts to me, I have enough of mine laughing
                  Quote: E_V_N
                  it’s hard to reach your subcortex, if at all possible, it’s painful for you with all sorts of dogmas and nonsense

                  Do not touch my subcortex, I earn her a living. And not bad by the way, I earn. Probably the people who accepted me for work - all, ahem, stupid people wink
                  1. E_V_N
                    E_V_N 11 June 2018 00: 18
                    0
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Can you justify?
                    The Union was a "closed" (within the CMEA, well, and a few more "friendly" countries) economy.
                    Partly due to ideological reasons, due to economic reasons: in order to buy something on the "external" market, you need to sell something on the same market. But this was a big problem, in particular, because of the uncompetitiveness of the goods offered by the Union for sale.

                    Justification of what you would like to hear?
                    In order not to engage in empty bickering, you yourself try to formulate the definitions of the concepts of "open economy", "closed economy". If you can give at least the basic criteria of "openness" - "closedness," I think you yourself will understand everything.
                    By the way, CMEA was almost half of Europe, and the few friendly countries, as you called them, included China, India, Vietnam, Cuba, half of Africa and South America. I think this is a very serious market in size, and you?
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Not this way. Markets cannot but be interconnected due to the fact that at least one single country is not able to produce everything and at the same time do it well.
                    Therefore, ahem, specializations arise.

                    Wow you have to winked And for some reason it seemed to me that specialization arises from the uneven distribution of minerals on the planet. Well, Germany cannot engage in serious, globally, timber processing and the pulp and paper industry simply because of the lack of serious forests, and not due to the lack of technology and human resources. Well, most countries of the world are simply too small to have all the necessary "ingredients" on their territory. But the USSR (as well as the United States) did not suffer from the absence of anything necessary on its territory, and therefore it did not need any serious supplies from outside.
                    Human resources were also not deprived.
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Quote: E_V_N
                    each state uses any opportunity to close (isolation) of its own domestic market
                    Once again, you yourself build mills, and bravely fight them. No need to ascribe your thoughts to me, I have enough of mine

                    Lord, you also read Russian badly fellow This is my thought and I was not going to “attribute” it to you, from the word at all.
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Do not touch my subcortex, I earn her a living. And not bad by the way, I earn. Probably the people who accepted me for work - all, ahem, stupid people

                    I am sincerely happy for you, seriously. There is of course the expression "fishless and cancerless", but I hope that this is not your case and you are working in the field where you have really good competencies. By the way, if it's not a secret, who or what are you working with?
                    1. Sergej1972
                      Sergej1972 13 June 2018 10: 57
                      0
                      Since the beginning of the 60s. and until the mid 80s. China was rather an unfriendly state. Most countries of South America were not friends of the USSR at that time.
      5. E_V_N
        E_V_N 10 June 2018 00: 34
        +3
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Closed economy is the road to nowhere, the Union showed it perfectly.

        Very controversial statement.
        The closed economy of the USSR made it possible to defeat virtually "united Europe" in the Second World War and achieve military parity with the United States.
        What do you think would happen with the current "open economy"?
        1. Zefr
          Zefr 10 June 2018 20: 44
          +1
          The whole "open economy" is needed for the flow of wealth to developed countries. Why would it take plants to China? And to buy cheaper. Why is it cheaper? Because the locals do not need to pay as much as their own. Threw a bag of rice, and that's enough.
          It was just that there was no one in the USSR to throw a bag of rice to take products from him. They pressed peasants. and so the liberals have already bile for the poor peasants, ruined by industrialization. So they feel sorry for them. And the Chinese do not mind when they buy sneakers from them, knowing that the Chinese themselves work 12 hours and sleep in the shops.
          How tired these illiterate but very smart Onegins, who know everything about the world economy.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 10 June 2018 20: 48
            +1
            Quote: Zefr
            The whole "open economy" is needed for the flow of wealth to developed countries

            Only one question: where would China be now if they had not started “transporting plants” at one time?
            Quote: Zefr
            How tired these illiterate but very smart Onegins who know everything about the world economy

            With pleasure I will listen to your competent and enlightened opinion. Wellcome! Yes
            1. Zefr
              Zefr 11 June 2018 00: 24
              +2
              Uhh. Interesting. I answered you about the term "open economy", and instead of accepting or refuting my thesis, you start asking me about the factories in China, although we have not figured out the first one. So we will - you put forward an idea, I answer it, and you, at this time, begin some new discussion? I can’t do that. It's pointless.
              Your "open economy", by the way, has already closed. Once again I tell you that it was "open" while it was possible to "rob the corovans." You yourself are sure that China has risen. So, the standard of living will increase there. This means that the load on natural resources will increase. Well, how? So, they need to be wrung out from someone. While squeezed from Africa. But there are limited resources. Everything, the planet is over, there’s nowhere to take (rob), only to take away by force. If it does not succeed, then the leaders will have to live within their means. And this is a level similar to that in the Soviet Union, adjusted for progress. Interesting times are coming, and you still have an "open economy".
              And lectures on economics should not have been skipped at school so that I would read them to you here.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 11 June 2018 09: 08
                +2
                Quote: Zefr
                And lectures on economics should not be skipped at school, so I read them to you here

                In my time there were no "lectures on economics" at school stop
                Quote: Zefr
                China has risen. So, the standard of living will increase there. So, the load on natural resources will increase.. Well, how? So they need to be squeezed from someone

                Absolutely not obligatory, by the way.
                Quote: Zefr
                If it does not succeed, then the leaders will have to live within their means. And this is a level similar to that in the Soviet Union, adjusted for progress

                And then, the "Soviet Union" to "live within our means"? The USSR, as a state, lived just more according to the wishes of the "leading and directing". There we “help”, here we feed ... the building, (censorship), of the world socialist system.
                These people in the USSR lived "within their means", the state did not particularly limit itself in anything. On which, by the way, and overstrained, IMHO.
                About the "open economy" - I agree, an unfortunate term, but somehow the other does not occur. It is needed if the country (yes, by losing part of its resources) wants to make a leap in development. China made it, and is now closed. Well, or almost closed.
                In general, discussions on similar topics on this, ahem, platform also have a hard informal ... nothing. I will end here, with your permission, essno hi
            2. E_V_N
              E_V_N 11 June 2018 00: 26
              0
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Only one question: where would China be now if they had not started “transporting plants” at one time?

              China would be about where it is now, only 30 years behind. And the factories in China began to be "transported" not because of love for the Chinese or a happy lottery ticket extended by China. There, the cheapness of the workforce and the geographical location, and the huge population intertwined, but the geopolitical factor was not the last. China was "raised" as a counterweight to the USSR by virtue of relations strained between the countries.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 11 June 2018 09: 10
                +1
                Quote: E_V_N
                China would be about where it is now only 30 years behind

                good laughing good
                Just ... a trifle, right?

                Quote: E_V_N
                The cheapness of labor and the geographical location and the huge population intertwined, but the geopolitical factor was not the last

                Well, I don’t need to read the alphabet here ...
                Okay, you understand too. Over hi
                1. E_V_N
                  E_V_N 11 June 2018 23: 23
                  0
                  Quote: Golovan Jack

                  Just ... a trifle, right?

                  China 30 years ago was already not very bad.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Well, I don’t need to read the alphabet here ...
                  Okay, you understand too. Over

                  But who needs you to read the alphabet here. It’s just that you blurt out so that it seems that you don’t know the elementary truths. So you read the alphabet
                  However, I agree it is useless, you still can’t convince you, denseness and dogmatism are not defeated. winked Adieu
    2. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 9 June 2018 07: 06
      +5
      For many controversial points, the article can be discussed, but the last paragraph on robots is a “paragraph”.
      Robots in special operations and even in local wars are acceptable, but that would be in the global war regime, but with the use of nuclear weapons ... It seems that this is already too much.
      How is the movie "Terminators"?
      Cheaper to organize hordes of fanatics and throw them in our direction.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 9 June 2018 08: 10
        +12
        Quote: Pax tecum
        Robots ... ... but that would be in the global war regime, but with the use of nuclear weapons ... It seems that this is already too much.

        The author did not see and therefore has no idea about the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion, one of which is an electromagnetic pulse that disables all electronics. laughing
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 10 June 2018 02: 12
          +6
          Quote: Boris55
          The author did not see and therefore has no idea about

          I specifically climbed, looked. No, not served ....
          Therefore, with your permission, I’ll also insert my 5 cents ...
          1. I was struck by the whitewashing of the Yankees' war crime at the end of WWII - the nuclear bombing of 2's in Japanese cities. I immediately thought: what do you, my dear, sing next?
          2. The author has an interesting dilemma: what to destroy and how ... But he writes books, influences people's mindset ... But it’s very simple: the economic potential - strategists, military bases, military command and control - operational-tactical, and the troops and strength with tactical beater. Therefore, we have such a quantity of nuclear weapons.
          3. Somehow, in a straightforward manner, the author wants to “butt” with the Yankees and NATO. This is deliberate stupidity. The impression is that he didn’t hear anything about the asymmetric answer ... He didn’t hear anything about the Ieolustown supervolcano, or about the radioactive tsunami ...
          4. Primitively considering the damaging factors of nuclear explosions, the author completely forgets about the accompanying fires, floods, and other delights of nuclear weapons at oil refining complexes, dams, etc.
          5. Amerskie’s EM strike from the Barents Sea’s CRBD against the “gas cross” ... Bullshit! The primary goals are the bodies of military-political leadership, the power components of the triad ... But they will begin to be converted to Ohio, not the NK. This is so, for clarity, to understand how far the author is from realities ...
          6. ??? The American business after our USE on the economic potential of the USA ... "will spin with a new force" (!) Well, if only on the other side of the moon, where, presumably, AD is located !!!
          7. And the author’s statement that the results are compensated by the losing side, that is, Russia, is not at all ICE. American tanks will enter Moscow, so it’s better not to tackle the “otvetka”, but to surrender right away ...
          8. The assertion that nuclear weapons as a "otvetka" simply does not work ... smacks of idiocy ... AHA !!! We saw this as an example of the DPRK ... Kim only threatened to use nuclear weapons on bases (!), And not on the metropolis, put Tramplin in the corner with all his nuclear power ... And Donald was quickly blown away ...
          9. Where did the author get that "the stock of nuclear weapons is limited and new is not made" ??? No need to palm off the problems of the American nuclear complex under us.
          10. About the "protracted nature of the war with NATO." If this happens, we will not play operetta wars. Europe is still trembling with horror at the ATS tank avalanches. Yes, now the armada has become smaller, but it IS! And the power reserve of 500km until the next refueling is a real operational tactical indicator! And what are the unit's OVs with their multinational command can be judged by the standards of collection, decision-making, etc.
          One could still pull quotes from the opus about the ответ otvetka ’, but I think this is unnecessary ... So everything is clear on whose mill the author pours water. Liberal betrayal rushing for a mile away, defeatism passes through a red thread through the entire narrative of Mr. Journalist.
          IMHO.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 June 2018 06: 37
    +30
    The author surprisingly unsuccessfully manipulates the numbers ... 1 MT warhead damage zone - where did he get these numbers? From the benefits of civil defense. And the bad ones. A 20-kiloton bomb exploded in Herosim, and a city of 300 inhabitants was almost destroyed. The destruction of the infrastructure of a country such as the United States will far more critically undermine its defense potential.
    And why is the author sure that 10 million young men will come from Latin America to join the US army, and not to rob what is left? And the local population is not particularly committed to respect for private property rights. Recall unbridled gangs in New Orleans during the flood, or recent events in Fergusson ...
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 9 June 2018 07: 27
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The author surprisingly unsuccessfully manipulates the numbers.


      The author is generally unfamiliar with the numbers.

      P-36, if I remember correctly 8 Mt.

      Correct if I am wrong.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 9 June 2018 08: 56
        +1
        Quote: Vanek
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        The author surprisingly unsuccessfully manipulates the numbers.


        The author is generally unfamiliar with the numbers.

        P-36, if I remember correctly 8 Mt.

        Correct if I am wrong.

        this is if a monoblock, but the RCG 10 x 0,8 Mt ...
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 9 June 2018 11: 05
          +1
          Quote: PSih2097
          RGCH 10 x 0,8 Mt.


          And do not twist 8.
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 9 June 2018 14: 42
            +3
            Quote: Vanek
            The author is generally unfamiliar with the numbers.

            P-36, if I remember correctly 8 Mt.
            Correct if I am wrong.

            Quote: PSih2097
            this is if a monoblock, but the RCG 10 x 0,8 Mt ...

            Quote: Vanek
            And do not twist 8.


            Moreover, the lesion area from 10 RGCh according to 0,8 Mt will be much larger than from one BB in 8 Mt.
            1. Vanek
              Vanek 9 June 2018 14: 46
              +3
              Quote: Captain45
              there will be much more


              And I do not mind.

              Quote: Vanek
              Pills to me from greed. Yes more more


              hi
    2. wehr
      9 June 2018 15: 27
      0
      And successfully - how is it? What do you like? laughing
      I'm not talking about your complete unwillingness to substantively understand the destruction in Hiroshima.
    3. polikarpich
      polikarpich 10 June 2018 04: 16
      +1
      in a nuclear confrontation, a more moral one wins
  5. JD1979
    JD1979 9 June 2018 07: 14
    +21
    Drugs have become even harder, the article is even more delusional. Mathematics is not only for everyone ... 741 is a carrier with 1481 warheads and, according to the author, there are no separable, only monoblocks ... It looks like the analyte at the RFP is trying to convince that the United States is the most, and everyone else is G. It was only a resource that made a mistake. Site administration take action ah?
    1. Alone
      Alone 9 June 2018 08: 10
      0
      "Moreover, Russia has carriers with separable warheads, while the United States does not,"
      If it’s difficult to read through a line, then it’s better not to try.
      1. JD1979
        JD1979 9 June 2018 08: 39
        +2
        Quote: Alone
        If it’s difficult to read through a line, then it’s better not to try.

        It seems to read from you too - not only for everyone. Not to mention logic. If the author claims that the number of deployed carriers is less than the number of deployed warheads, then this means that some carriers have 2 more warheads, i.e. are separable. With monoblocks there should be 741 carriers and 741 warheads. Read every word, not a line.
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth 9 June 2018 10: 33
          +3
          Not certainly in that way. One carrier can carry 2 or more monoblock warheads. Submarines, strategic aviation.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 10 June 2018 02: 34
            +1
            Quote: forty-eighth
            Submarines, strategic aviation.

            SSBNs and rpkSNy - yes. But all the units of SAK and our DA are considered to be one charge, although they can carry up to 20 AvKRBD. Here the amans outplayed us, because they have 149 carriers (B-1 = 68, B-2 = 19, B-52 = 62), and we only have 84 (Tu-95 = 68, Tu-160 = 16).
        2. Alone
          Alone 10 June 2018 09: 03
          0
          Quote: JD1979
          and according to the author there are no separable, only monoblocks ..

          I wrote a refutation of your words. Can you jump on another topic if there is nothing to object? Besides, there can be more than one warhead or even two or three on one medium.
          Good luck.
    2. NG inform
      NG inform 9 June 2018 17: 37
      -2
      The Americans have a lot of free-falling bombs.
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  8. Alex66
    Alex66 9 June 2018 07: 36
    +14
    I remember such a story, when the Americans discussed the nuclear strike against the USSR, the majority approved the strike, because they would neutralize most of our charges. Then one of their generals asked what they would do with those 10% that would fly. At this meeting ended. If damage to the retaliatory strike were acceptable for the United States and nuclear weapons weren’t so bad, then we would have been used for it and wouldn’t build a missile defense system. The article is just an order for public opinion.
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT 9 June 2018 10: 44
      0
      Then one of their generals asked

      It was a reserve lieutenant.
  9. T.Henks
    T.Henks 9 June 2018 07: 36
    +8
    Not very convincing. The modern world (in the sense of civilization) is based on energy-consuming technologies. No energy - no end product and its benefits. If anyone remembers, in Moscow a transformer burned out at one of the three substations that feed the city. And maybe someone remembers the stupid surprise of gadgets by the lack of cellular communications. Citizens roamed in amazement with phones in the streets, not realizing what it was. And this is in the country where these gadgets have just appeared. In Europe, and even more so in America, a global blackout of banal electricity will not give such a life-giving result. It’s much warmer there. The modern food city has a maximum of 7 days with maximum savings. Large - for 2 days. Even with the introduction of martial law and card distribution. It can take a ride to us. They dont have. No food - no civilization. Everything will go out. And then, as a curve, it displays. Fighting at distant lands is not easy. Local natives with weapons across the ocean to wet the evil Russian ghouls are unlikely to soon run away. And from Europe, still get to Moscow, which may not be. So the answer, if you do not twist, will do its part. Hello civilization. Those who have a stronger spirit can organize themselves. You will not envy others. Neither eat, nor the Internet, one hope for Kalash. And into the woods. Where are they.
    1. kakvastam
      kakvastam 9 June 2018 14: 55
      +3
      And where did you get the idea that our spirit is stronger? Americans, too, sincerely believe that they are the most "spiritual", this is a matter of national mythology.

      As for the incredible fortitude of the inhabitants of megacities, I would not be deceived.
  10. mari.inet
    mari.inet 9 June 2018 07: 45
    +6
    The article is very useful, it carefully lulls our potential adversary.
    It seems that the Russian military leadership has long worked out all the pros and cons of the otvetka. And I believe that I found a rational solution to the unequal confrontation.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 9 June 2018 14: 49
      0
      Quote: mari.inet
      The article is very useful, it carefully lulls our potential adversary.

      At first it may lull, but it can also push for decisive action. Moreover, starting from 2014 of the year, all major decisions in the West are made on the basis of information and photos from social networks. Having read some “Crazy Dog” in the morning for coffee, a similar article will be thought “Why not. Oh Kay, Billy, press the button!”.
      Tweet, LiveJournal and Instagram have replaced living life. Mankind slowly but stubbornly plunges into the virtual and thinks that, like in the virtual, it has 9 lives and can always be rebooted .... Lavrov’s expression follows. fool request
  11. Jerk
    Jerk 9 June 2018 07: 53
    +10
    So strikes specifically against cities with the aim of destroying the population, about which the followers of the "otvetki" broadcast with fear rounded eyes, were not only not planned, but also represented nonsense from a military point of view.

    The question to the author, who accused everyone of "hysteria," was forgotten for himself. What is the point from the military point of view of striking at the rear headquarters and the "large transport hub supplying Manjuria" (c)? If there is the same Manchuria, and there both the headquarters and precisely the military and military facilities - rampart? Are ports no more important for procurement?
    At the same time, a blow is inflicted on one of the largest cities, in which of the targets are captors. And the node, which if that, with the developed transport infrastructure of Japan at that time - you can get around.
    No need to sculpt a hunchback, the main purpose was the PEACEFUL population and the bombing itself was designed specifically for the PEACEFUL population, as well as the Tokyo fire tornado or the bombing of Dresden, and this was not hiding, said the allies - both the United States and the British, and from -for this official concept, Harris almost wounded under the tribunal after the war.
    Absolutely the excuse is laced with a carbon copy, why they gouged Dresden - literally simple! The defeat of such an excuse is obvious, just as the excuse about Dresden has not gone through, so is this
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 9 June 2018 14: 56
      +1
      Quote: Jerk
      No need to sculpt a hunchback, just the main goal was the PEACEFUL population and the bombing itself is designed specifically for the PEACEFUL population,

      Somewhere I had an article about how goals were chosen for using nuclear weapons in Japan. Cities on the flat part, with continuous development, densely populated so that the results of application were most fully visible were specially selected, moreover, some scientists from the Manhattan project gave such recommendations. The scientists themselves are always interested in the results of the experiment. It was a weapon of great power for the military, and for scientists it is another experiment.
      1. Jerk
        Jerk 9 June 2018 17: 51
        +1
        I admit that the scientists were given the right to vote, but I doubt very much that they decided anything ... The war.
    2. wehr
      9 June 2018 15: 34
      0
      The 2 command was responsible for the defense of southern Japan, in particular the Kyushu island, where the Americans were about to land. Does it make military sense? There is.
      In Manchuria (after all, you need to follow the rules of spelling), large ground forces were concentrated that could be transferred to Japan before the American landing. And there were few transport hubs (the connection of ports and large railway stations) through which troops could be returned to Japan. Hiroshima is one of them.

      However, this is not even important. If, even after a photograph with a nuclear strike aimed at the headquarters, you continue to insist that Hiroshima seemed to be a peaceful city, then this is brain damage that cannot be repaired. It’s easier to throw it away.
      1. 17085
        17085 9 June 2018 23: 18
        +1
        Quote: wehr
        Manchuria (after all, you need to follow the rules of spelling) concentrated large ground forces that could be transferred to Japan before the American landing. And there were few transport hubs (the connection of ports and large railway stations) through which troops could be returned to Japan. Hiroshima is one of them.

        I’m upset, by the time of the nuclear bombing in Manchuria there was already only the Red Army. The Kwantung army simply did not physically exist by then
        1. wehr
          10 June 2018 00: 23
          0
          And not ashamed to lie like that? After all, it is not difficult to verify. Hiroshima bombing - 6 August 1945 year, Nagasaki - 9 August 1945 year. The Manchu offensive operation began on 9 on August 1945 of the year. Completion of encirclement of Japanese troops - 20 August 1945 year.
    3. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 12 June 2018 09: 47
      0
      The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a consequence of the then doctrine (British initially) of the use of strategic aviation in cities to destroy the population (total war, so there are no “civilians”, remember the slogan “In the rear - like at the front”?) And the demoralization of the survivors. It’s just that instead of a large-scale operation involving hundreds of planes and dumping thousands of tons of lighters (in Tokyo, more were killed than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki), a breakthrough to the goal alone was enough.
  12. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 9 June 2018 08: 04
    +4
    For some reason, the author "safely forgot" about Yellowstone, about Status-6 and its capabilities. But this is an easy way to destroy a bunch of people, using very few charges. And, I think, it is precisely these possibilities of Russia that are currently cooling hotheads overseas ...
    1. wehr
      9 June 2018 15: 48
      0
      Do you want Yellowstone parsing? laughing
      1. zulusuluz
        zulusuluz 9 June 2018 17: 37
        +1
        What for? I know a little physics, I can imagine the consequences ...
    2. NG inform
      NG inform 9 June 2018 17: 45
      -2
      Everything is cooler. The moon is flying over us. And it’s about the size of the USA. We throw an atomic bomb at it, it falls on the USA and comes a happy end.
    3. AUL
      AUL 9 June 2018 22: 30
      0
      When I read the article, I thought that there would be much more comments about Status and Yellowstone. I am glad that I was mistaken!
      PS About the Stalin Strait has not yet been - strange!
      1. wehr
        9 June 2018 22: 45
        0
        The bad thing is that they even exist. An indicator of how low society has fallen in educational terms.
  13. Alone
    Alone 9 June 2018 08: 04
    +4
    During WW2, the participating countries had a lot of chemical weapons. Was there a mass use? No. So, not everything is as good as we would like.
    1. raw174
      raw174 9 June 2018 10: 00
      +2
      Quote: Alone
      During WW2, the participating countries had a mass of chemical weapons. Was there a mass use?

      So the problems are of a different nature. It was probably difficult to transfer chemistry over considerable distances, I’m talking about large distances, and not immediately behind the front line ... The delivery vehicles were not the same and they didn’t want to attack their troops, because they had to walk through poisoned lands .. It seems to me that this reason is quite enough. If Hitler had the opportunity to deliver a charge from Berlin directly to Red Square, he would have done it.
      1. -Pollux
        -Pollux 9 June 2018 12: 57
        0
        Quote: raw174
        If Hitler had the opportunity to deliver a charge from Berlin directly to Red Square, he would have done it.

        He had such an opportunity, do not forget the Luftwaffe bombed Moscow, at least its suburbs.
        1. raw174
          raw174 13 June 2018 07: 31
          0
          Quote: Pollux
          He had such an opportunity, do not forget the Luftwaffe bombed Moscow, at least its suburbs.

          So the fighting was already over Moscow and in the suburbs, there was a danger to cover their own during the attack, and then the Germans planned to hold a parade on Red Square, why poison the place where to march tomorrow? I think so...
          1. -Pollux
            -Pollux 13 June 2018 14: 24
            0
            Quote: raw174
            I think so...

            Justification can always be found, who are they interested in your excuses? The fact is that Hitler had such an opportunity.
    2. demiurg
      demiurg 9 June 2018 12: 07
      +1
      When the Germans realized that without chemical weapons they were waging war, thousands of Lancaster and fortresses grazed in their skies. Which on a good night could bring thousands of four to five tons of mustard gas or phosgene to Germany. In any city to choose from. That is, theoretically, the amount of OM delivered to Germany was limited only by the capacity of the chemical industry. Germany in response could deliver hundreds of tons of force to the rear of the Allies if it removed all the bomber aircraft from the fronts. And the allies won without the OM, why would they complicate everything?
  14. Spambox
    Spambox 9 June 2018 08: 15
    +4
    What are the bases? In which world? We have enough total power to destroy the whole !!!!! Peace!!!! Repeatedly. Everything is simple- Whoever shoots first, dies second. All! There will be no fuss after an exchange of blows, that miserable handful of people, when and if they survive, will sit underground and gnaw supplies like hamsters. And then welcome to the Stone Age Welcome!
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 9 June 2018 08: 34
      +2
      Not enough, do not carry nonsense.
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 9 June 2018 09: 00
      0
      Not enough for the world.
    3. PSih2097
      PSih2097 9 June 2018 09: 06
      +1
      Quote: Spambox
      We have enough total power to destroy the whole !!!!! Peace!!!! Repeatedly.

      it’s already been proved that “alas and ah,” but it’s not enough - if you hammer on supervolcanoes, then yes, it’s not enough for anyone ...
      1. Antares
        Antares 9 June 2018 15: 14
        +1
        Quote: PSih2097
        it’s already been proved that “alas and ah,” but it’s not enough - if you hammer on supervolcanoes, then yes, it’s not enough for anyone ...

        Do you want to ruin the planet, at least dumping it in the next ice age (in which it spends more time than during the interglacial period)?
        It is cleaner than human civilization. This is for millennia and a change in the biosphere.
      2. meandr51
        meandr51 9 June 2018 15: 27
        0
        Super volcanoes won't even notice it. Not that energy. Talk to volcanologists.
        Here are 100 Mg torpedoes with cobalt filling will be more serious ...
    4. raw174
      raw174 9 June 2018 10: 03
      0
      Quote: Spambox
      that miserable bunch of people will, when and if they survive, sit under the ground and gnaw supplies like hamsters.

      I also read Metro 2033 and Metro 2034 by D. Glukhovsky, I liked it! But this is still a fantastic book ...
    5. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 9 June 2018 10: 39
      +4
      Will not be enough. In fact, I agree with the message of the author, even if he is mistaken in a quantitative assessment. No need to fully rely on the retaliatory total nuclear strike. It is necessary to prepare for various counteraction scenarios.
    6. -Pollux
      -Pollux 9 June 2018 12: 58
      +1
      Quote: Spambox
      We have enough total power to destroy the whole !!!!! Peace!!!!

      You do not realize the real size of our planet.
    7. Captain45
      Captain45 9 June 2018 15: 02
      0
      Quote: Spambox
      What are the bases? In which world? We have enough total power to destroy the whole !!!!! World!!!!

      "Why do we need such a world in which there is no Russia!" (c) V.V. Putin.
      What do you think the President of the country just like that, for the red word rushes such phrases?
      Who needs everyone to hear and understand. Yes, they will bring tanks and armored personnel carriers to Poland and the Baltic states, carry infantry and support personnel back and forth, drip on their brains, hysteria, this works well for the Baltic states and the poles, but the gut is very thin. To live and not in the bunker, everyone wants to.
    8. wehr
      9 June 2018 15: 35
      0
      Drink valerian
    9. NG inform
      NG inform 9 June 2018 17: 48
      -1
      The author is certainly inadequate, but the most realistic estimates from the mutual use of atomic weapons give losses of 500-700 thousand people in Russia, Europe and the United States. The world will not even notice it.
      1. albert
        albert 9 June 2018 21: 01
        +1
        Quote: NG inform
        but the most realistic estimates, from the mutual use of atomic weapons give losses of 500-700 thousand people in Russia, Europe and the United States. The world will not even notice it.

        And from this point, please, in more detail. Who gives such calculations, and on what calculation methods are these "realists" based on?
  15. Bakht
    Bakht 9 June 2018 08: 20
    +10
    The same delusional article as the first. At first, I wanted to advise the author to give up immediately. But the ending was amusing .... The army of combat robots is cool.
    Must disappoint the author. Hiroshima was not the main goal. There were 4 goals and the choice of Hiroshima was determined only by weather conditions. The second - the doctrine of Western countries was and remains one - a blow to cities and people. So it was in Germany, Japan, Vietnam, Yugoslavia. The same thing is happening in modern Russia. Attacks on the population should cause discontent and a change of power. For whom are sanctions hit more and what is their purpose? To cause discontent and force to change the political power in the country. The author does not see beyond the woods of the forest.
    And the main thing. It is the presence of nuclear weapons and retaliation that ensured the independence of the country. No battle robots will save the country if there is no army.
    In general, the horror story is about nothing. We must prepare for war and put the Yamal Cross on prevention for two months. The losses will be colossal. But the sanctions will be lifted immediately.
  16. Spambox
    Spambox 9 June 2018 08: 38
    +4
    Quote: Greenwood
    Not enough, do not carry nonsense.

    Enough, the consequences of the exchange of blows in the form of a nuclear winter, radioactive contamination, disease, hunger and a shortage of clean water will do their job.
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 9 June 2018 11: 32
      +3
      Quote: Spambox
      Quote: Greenwood
      Not enough, do not carry nonsense.

      Enough, the consequences of the exchange of blows in the form of a nuclear winter, radioactive contamination, disease, hunger and a shortage of clean water will do their job.

      Dozens of cadmium-added charges detonated off the coast of the United States are enough to wash away the entire coastal infrastructure, including the ports and bases of the Navy, cause radioactive contamination, which precludes the safe location of people in these territories for the next thousand years.
      How will the United States not only fight, but generally exist without access to the oceans?
      On such an example, where can I find those who want to fight with Russia? Only in psychiatric clinics.
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 9 June 2018 15: 50
        +1
        Quote: Captain Pushkin
        Dozens of charges with cadmium,

        COBALT, Peter, COBALT! With cadmium, it's to the Battery Mask! lol
        1. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 9 June 2018 17: 24
          0
          Quote: Captain45
          Quote: Captain Pushkin
          Dozens of charges with cadmium,

          COBALT, Peter, COBALT! With cadmium, it's to the Battery Mask! lol

          Thank you, of course, cobalt.
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 9 June 2018 15: 32
      0
      And useful. Finally natural selection will work. And then the population will begin to multiply, as in India.
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 9 June 2018 17: 27
        0
        Quote: meandr51
        And useful. Finally natural selection will work. And then the population will begin to multiply, as in India.

        And to prepare for the Fourth World War - to accumulate stones and battle clubs.
    3. Greenwood
      Greenwood 10 June 2018 05: 58
      0
      You have reviewed post-apocalyptic campaign films. I especially liked the nuclear winter. lol
  17. Olgovich
    Olgovich 9 June 2018 08: 42
    +1
    Defeat goals, and not a blow to the cities at allwas also a priority during the bombing of Japanese cities.
    What nonsense!
    A completely scorched Tokyo, also a blow "out of town"?
    Is Dresden also a hit on the target?
    after the Second World War, during which cities were a concentration of important objects and therefore were subjected to strong air strikes, they tried to take out important objects to a sparsely populated area. This was done in order to disperse and minimize possible damage. For this reason, most important facilities, such as missile positions, naval and air bases, command posts, communication centers, warehouses, hub stations, many energy facilities, are located outside cities.
    Much simply technically impossible to place in cities, the same e / stations.
    Much remains in the cities
  18. Loess
    Loess 9 June 2018 08: 47
    +6
    (at least the Yamal "cross" definitely needs to build at least three to four rounds) ... ... Commentators paid no attention to this:
    The author, in his rapture with hysteria, probably did not notice that there were comments on the "Yamal cross", as well as on its impact on the energy supply of the territory of the Russian Federation.
    Regarding the ответ otvetka ’... It has long been calculated that two hundred nuclear strikes are enough to destroy the United States. It is not at all necessary to "plow" the entire US territory with nuclear bombs. So the author’s hysteria is not justified. In addition, double standards again. According to the author, about fifty missiles are needed to cause irreparable damage to the Russian Federation, and in order to achieve a similar effect with respect to the states, 100% of the territory of the USA should be covered with "long loafs".

    A little earlier, not everyone seriously reacted to the words of Vladimir Putin when he said to a question when meeting with members of the Valdai club: “Can you destroy the United States in about half an hour?” Then the Russian president thought for a few seconds: “Actually, faster ... "The truth of these words and their true authenticity, probably, was fully appreciated by the commander in chief of the Russian Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel General Sergei Karakaev: Vladimir Vladimirovich is right. But I believe that today neither Russia nor the United States are going to destroy each other.
  19. Stils
    Stils 9 June 2018 08: 56
    +4
    Insanity grew stronger ....
    If nuclear weapons are used in the amount of 2-3 Gtn (far from the entire total arsenal)
    tanks, guns, etc. will no longer be needed.
    All electronics and electrics will be struck, contaminated dust from explosions will rise into the air, fires will cover the entire northern hemisphere, the sun's rays will not reach the surface. Then nuclear winter, hunger, infection. In the next 2 years, half of the survivors of the strike will simply die out. And then crop failures, future mutations.
    Any Soviet manual (and nothing has changed in this matter) will tell you that not even the blows themselves, but their consequences are terrible for humanity.
    So the author to learn materiel.
    1. -Pollux
      -Pollux 9 June 2018 13: 01
      +1
      Quote: Stils
      And then crop failures, future mutations.

      Mutations are the basis of evolution.
      1. Antares
        Antares 9 June 2018 15: 15
        +2
        Quote: Pollux
        Mutations are the basis of evolution.

        not really. It is approximately 9/1 that a failed mutation and the carrier will die in competition. And for the remaining 1 it is also not easy to prove and the chance of not showing up is high.
  20. EvilLion
    EvilLion 9 June 2018 09: 00
    +2
    Seriously, first tell a tale that the economy and infrastructure of Russia can be paralyzed by fifty 400 kg of rockets per kg of TNT each, and then doubt that a nuclear strike with hundreds of warheads will turn the US economy and infrastructure into nothing?

    Without tales of the extinction of mankind, but after the destruction of several million people, key logistics centers, I’m not talking about the army, it doesn’t play any role here at all, because it will die on its own without supplies, they’ll just send what is left of the world USA, on 3 letters and will divide what belonged to them. In the context of the “all against all” confrontation, taking simultaneously high damage is unacceptable in principle.

    And who will be hit by missiles is a matter of pure firmware in the on-board computers of ICBMs. They decide to burn New York, so they will enter its coordinates. Terror is also a weapon, and in a critical situation everyone will not care about its ethics. The doctrine of Douai, her mother. At the same time, a blow to headquarters in the city center ... Well, how can I say, we are killing several thousand military men, along with all civilians, to be identified. radius. Without any nuclear bombs, the same Tokyo was simply burned with normal bombs. In Japan, by the time of Hiroshima, there were no large cities left. In the same way, Germany was bombarded. In factories. Yeah. They were not like factories there, they periodically attacked neutral Switzerland, the planes blew away with the wind, and see from the air there what kind of buildings are below.

    And it's good here with me, like no prom. there are no objects in the city, the industrial zone is larger than the city itself. Just pour it with the B-52 squadron with the bomb, so the city will simply cover with a huge amount of the most diverse rubbish, which is usually hidden in tanks.

    since the stockpile of nuclear weapons is limited and not new


    The author does not know that warheads are degrading. And it’s faster than ordinary bombs, so nuclear weapons are being updated, the United States may have problems with this, but we have everything for this.
    1. Max golovanovo
      Max golovanovo 9 June 2018 10: 33
      +1
      Well, I was also struck by a similar dialectic: Russia will collapse 500 kg of explosives, and in the USA - even if you drop the entire stock of strategic nuclear forces - they will not even be noticed. Who needs a military and bases abroad if they are no longer at home?
    2. -Pollux
      -Pollux 9 June 2018 13: 05
      0
      Quote: EvilLion
      And who will be hit by missiles is a matter of pure firmware in the on-board computers of ICBMs. They decide to burn New York, so they will enter its coordinates.

      Especially in the second strike, those few soldiers who will survive for a short time, what will they choose as targets when all their families are burned in the atomic fire ?.
      1. meandr51
        meandr51 9 June 2018 15: 40
        0
        And how will they inflict this second blow? All nuclear weapons depots and carrier airfields. will be accurately covered. Only the submarines will remain.
        1. -Pollux
          -Pollux 10 June 2018 20: 17
          0
          Quote: meandr51
          And how will they inflict this second blow? All nuclear weapons depots and carrier airfields. will be accurately covered. Only the submarines will remain.

          This is a moot point - what will be covered and what is not, I didn’t specify in vain
          Quote: Pollux
          those few military who survive for a short while

          There can be many reasons: the missile did not take off, the warhead missed, the intelligence clicked. And there will be survivors who will continue to shoot.
  21. Senior manager
    Senior manager 9 June 2018 09: 17
    +2
    The article, in my opinion, is custom-made, or it’s just that the problem is not deeply meaningful, in vain:
    - not taken into account all the damaging factors of nuclear weapons;
    - population density is not taken into account in agglomerations, Gemini collapsed from two claps - 2 thousand. perished;
    - the concentration of objects of interest to nuclear weapons in the FSA has a higher density than in Russia and, a related factor - the service team of objects lives alongside work.
    And according to this, the mentor tone does not channel here. You need to go deeper and the people will believe you and will reach for your articles.
  22. Oleg1
    Oleg1 9 June 2018 09: 19
    +5
    author -> author -> author a complete amateur, a true couch warrior, does not understand the order of choosing targets for striking nuclear weapons, nor the consequences of its use, write in more detail lazy, but complete nonsense ....
    For example, taking low-powered bombs used in Japan unreasonably suggests that much more powerful modern ammunition will do the same damage, even if it took the trouble to calculate the zones of destruction from them .... amateur ...
    Threat and use WMD will be at power plants, including nuclear, dams, military facilities and other critical facilities.
    Threat, he at least found out about the consequences of the use of nuclear weapons designed by the Americans in the United States ....
    1. Sobol
      Sobol 9 June 2018 11: 32
      0
      Quote: Oleg1
      author -> author -> author -> author
      / filter -> a complete dilettante, a true couch warrior, does not understand the order of choosing targets for striking nuclear weapons, not the consequences of its use, writing in more detail is lazy, but complete nonsense ...
      For example, taking low-powered bombs used in Japan unreasonably suggests that much more powerful modern ammunition will do the same damage, even if it took the trouble to calculate the zones of destruction from them .... amateur ...
      Threat and use WMD will be at power plants, including nuclear, dams, military facilities and other critical facilities.
      Threat, he at least found out about the consequences of the use of nuclear weapons designed by the Americans in the United States ....

      And what is "Threat"?
      1. The_X_Factor
        The_X_Factor 9 June 2018 15: 01
        0
        PS - this is a postscript.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 9 June 2018 15: 02
        0
        And this is a PS typed in the Russian layout.
    2. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 9 June 2018 17: 39
      +1
      Quote: Oleg1
      WMDs will be used at power plants, including nuclear, dams, military facilities and other critically important facilities.

      And there are also chemical, pharmaceutical, petrochemical and oil refineries. There, the affected area is calculated in many kilometers.
      And also transport junctions and key bridges ....
  23. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 9 June 2018 09: 32
    +3
    This article is about, let's not anger America, otherwise it will hurt us? So? Putin said: "we do not need peace if Russia is not in it."
    1. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 9 June 2018 11: 37
      +2
      This article is about keeping in mind the option "a total retaliatory nuclear strike will not work." Not a word about “not making America angry”.
      1. vladimirvn
        vladimirvn 9 June 2018 11: 40
        0
        But if it does not work to the full, this does not mean that you do not need to answer.
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth 9 June 2018 11: 48
          +2
          Of course. I personally have not read that I do not need to answer in the article.
          There are many sarcastic comments in the style of "but they don’t know at the General Staff ...". As for me, the author did not write for the General Staff, but for the mass layman, who, again in my opinion, had the deep-rooted idea that if anyone is rocking, then "the whole world is in ruin." And it would be nice for everyone to reflect on the world, when they all showered each other with "vigorous loaves", and the living remained. Both there and here. This is how I see the article. And then here the author was not credited with anything: and that America supposedly is invincible, and that there is no need to answer, and about the General Staff with fools - the article is not about that.
          1. spektr9
            spektr9 9 June 2018 13: 00
            0
            It’s not you who are not the author, you don’t really know what the situation will be on the planet after the use of nuclear weapons - 1) not only nuclear weapons will be used in response, but also the whole spectrum of weapons of mass destruction, from biological to dirty bombs ... 2) remember the hysteria around the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, and now imagine that at least half a hundred of such stations were destroyed by a nuclear strike
            In this connection
            Losses killed in 3,3% of the US population
            , such utter nonsense that you just wonder
            1. forty-eighth
              forty-eighth 9 June 2018 13: 38
              0
              Well, of course not me. If I were the author of the article, I would not speak about myself in the 3rd person, I think this is a little strange.
              I don’t know and do not understand much about nuclear weapons, imagine something, exaggerate something, underestimate something. And personally, I do not call for a public debate around the topic raised by the author. I’m only trying to protect from far-fetched assumptions about the invincibility of America, not to respond to a nuclear strike and so on. This is not in the article.
              I think the article just provides food for thought. And the questions that she poses must be answered first of all for herself. Someone believes that the Earth will cease to be inhabited - well, total suicide is not a bad scenario in a post-apocalypse environment. Someone believes that competent people will come and settle everything, everyone will be given a task and sent to do useful work. No, such thoughts are very good, the most important thing in a bad situation is not to be left alone with shock and cordon in conditions where every second can be fatal. That in my head there was something besides the envy of the dead.
              Personally, the article encouraged me to think, and I'm not sure that at this point I thought of something specific.
          2. -Pollux
            -Pollux 9 June 2018 13: 09
            0
            Quote: forty-eighth
            it would be nice for everyone to think about the world, when they all showered each other with "vigorous loaves", and the living remained.

            And what will they do these living? After the destruction of infrastructure, how much will they be able to feed people? Five million? Ten? How many Indians were there before the Europeans arrived?
  24. Begemot
    Begemot 9 June 2018 09: 37
    +2
    Some kind of immortal America is obtained, and we are so dead on artificial ventilation, cut the pipe and the end. In this situation, we would have been torn apart long ago. In real life, everything is a little better. Even the destruction of ports on the Pacific Ocean and the Atlantic coast, and there are not so many of them, eliminates the military and economic opportunities for many months, if not years, while up to hundreds of millions of people who are not homeless will die at all, namely the active part of the population, and even panic and wave refugees will be paralyzed by infrastructure for many weeks, servicing the wounded and sick will require up to 2-3 people for each wounded, and no one canceled radiation diseases in order to immediately begin to rebuild the infrastructure. In my opinion, Sakharov talked about 20 goals that would be enough to hit America to remove it from the big war.
    Googling the preparation of the war in Iraq, how many flights the logistics super ships made, and this is just Iraq. The army consumes a gigantic amount of resources without even fighting, and even in hostilities!
    Stocks, maybe enough for a month, and then it is doubtful. The author's concern is understandable, but overpriced.
  25. Stils
    Stils 9 June 2018 09: 37
    +4
    The author of the R-36M2 has a charge of 1 MT and a lesion area of ​​24,6 Sq.km.
    In open sources, the casting weight is 8, 8 MT and the lesion area is 300000 sq. Km.
    A curtain.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 9 June 2018 12: 27
      0
      Open sources "distort" (the authorities hide!) And the author knows the real numbers and conveys them to the grateful public. laughing
    2. -Pollux
      -Pollux 9 June 2018 13: 12
      +2
      Quote: Stils
      In open sources, the casting weight is 8, 8 MT and the lesion area is 300000 sq. Km.

      300000 sq. M. Km? If not for censorship, I would say everything I think about your mental development! 500 km from the epicenter ....
    3. wehr
      9 June 2018 15: 39
      0
      Throw away these open sources. laughing
  26. BAI
    BAI 9 June 2018 10: 10
    +2
    It’s good that the author has nothing to do with the General Staff, otherwise such fools are sitting there, planning some actions using nuclear weapons. And then the military-political genius has already decided everything.
  27.  Lomo
    Lomo 9 June 2018 10: 20
    +5
    After reading the first, and this article, a single feeling arose - doubt. Doubt about the adequacy of AFFTara!
  28. Max golovanovo
    Max golovanovo 9 June 2018 10: 29
    +4
    The author was simply offended by our objective comments on his last article.
  29. Max golovanovo
    Max golovanovo 9 June 2018 10: 49
    +1
    "And in general, a nuclear strike is for the American leadership simply manna from heaven, a divine gift that solves a lot of complex and complicated problems for them." - I propose to translate into English. and print in 10-meter letters on the facade of the UN headquarters.
  30. Ural resident
    Ural resident 9 June 2018 10: 52
    +2
    Interesting reasoning. In some ways, the author is right: the United States cannot be underestimated, in which case they can mobilize.
    The problem is that the elite of the so-called "golden billion" do not even care about America. They are able to provoke a war, and then settle in another part of the world. What do they feel sorry for the American people, if there are half of the blacks whom they hate, with Latinos and visitors from other countries. A counterattack would be more appropriate to inflict precisely on this implacable, hostile to the whole world apex.
  31. Carib
    Carib 9 June 2018 10: 55
    +2
    Tale FALSE, but in it a HINT, good fellow (and not every crook, without education and knowledge) LESSON.
    To whom it is necessary, I think the hints have been read, calculated, discussed, counteractions will be calculated and silently, they will be accepted for implementation.
    Thanks to the author for an unusual look at the problems on the surface.
    1. ammunition
      ammunition 9 June 2018 11: 47
      0
      Quote: Carib
      Thanks to the author for an unusual look at the problems on the surface.


      Look sober!
      This is not the year 1974, when the main caliber of our warheads was 10 (ten) megatons. And when the number of warheads on duty, we had 40 000 (forty thousand) pieces.
  32. Business trip
    Business trip 9 June 2018 11: 04
    0
    The author seems to me raving. A nuclear weapon is not a slingshot with pebbles.
    Particularly touching is the thought that with the words "They attacked us" they will gather an international anti-Russian army. It’s ridiculous.
    Let the author read an analysis of the approximate victims and the state of the countries of the world after a global mutual nuclear strike. I’m afraid the Earth will probably never be like that. The consequences are unpredictable. Not before the war will be.
    1. wehr
      9 June 2018 15: 41
      0
      I read and found it fabricated. Moreover, the work of Sagan-Moiseyev was refuted by field tests in the 2010 year. As much carbon as they recorded in their calculations, no burning is emitted from burning forests.
  33. JonnyT
    JonnyT 9 June 2018 11: 05
    0
    The main thing is that American genitality and senior management do not think, just as it is written in this article. And then these really believe that a retaliatory strike will not destroy their statehood and defense capability.
    Unfortunately, ideas are increasingly being put into world opinion that a nuclear war is not so terrible, that the consequences will be minimal, there will be no radiation, and nuclear winter is a myth at all. - this is a mistake.
    The United States is located on the North American continent, which consists of many "flimsy" lithospheric plates, (unlike in the Russian Federation) and even a limited blow, can destroy almost the entire North American continent.
    Next - the population in the United States is a large pile of mouths, what will they feed them if the main food production (farms, agricultural land) is simply unsuitable ??? in the USA, a war of all against all for food will begin, where can they storm Moscow.
    However, there is a rational grain in the article. The Russian leadership needs to prepare for a limited nuclear disarmament attack by NATO and the United States and a retaliatory nuclear strike. unfortunately war cannot be avoided
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 9 June 2018 13: 20
      0
      The United States is located on the North American continent, which consists of many "flimsy" lithospheric plates, (unlike in the Russian Federation) and even a limited blow, can destroy almost the entire North American continent.


      Can you justify?
      1. spektr9
        spektr9 9 June 2018 13: 34
        0
        It's most likely about the Yellowstone Caldera ...
      2. meandr51
        meandr51 9 June 2018 15: 45
        0
        No one can. You just have to try it.
  34. nikvic46
    nikvic46 9 June 2018 11: 43
    0
    In the beginning, the author did not fail to offend the USSR, whose leaders allegedly intimidated their citizens with a nuclear war.
    Councils since 1946. All people were aware of the danger of such an outcome, but there was no panic. All calmly worked on
    in their workplaces. Unlike today, when all sources of information accustom people to the fact that the result of trade wars can be a hot war. A nuclear strike is terrible not only by its power, but by radioactive contamination.
    For some reason, the author does not take this factor into account. In conclusion, I can tell these predictors that the story is unpredictable.
    It may turn out so that the enemy turns out to be an ally, and an ally can turn out to be an enemy. Only the peaceful policy of the Russian leadership will put everything in its place. Patient work of the whole country is necessary. The WORLD must be earned.
    1. wehr
      9 June 2018 15: 43
      0
      Before saying and arguing that I don’t take into account there or that I don’t know there, read my book Nuclear War. All Doomsday Scenarios.
      Got it already! They don’t read, they are not interested, but they inflate experts from themselves!
  35. toha124
    toha124 9 June 2018 12: 02
    +1
    I have always thought that nuclear weapons, as a deterrent to the United States, do not work at the expense of the total incineration of all that is possible, but at the expense of "unacceptable damage." And it’s not only about peaceful people who, by the way, are consumers of the Goods (capitalism is request ) Some "means of production" will also be destroyed. But the capitalist thinks with a wallet. Here the whole question is - who really steers the States. The capitalists, whom we have become accustomed to during the years of the Cold War, and which we ourselves have become - which means we understand well? Or unmanageable fans of democracy (whatever they mean by this term)?
  36. Himdym
    Himdym 9 June 2018 12: 03
    +1
    Sad gentlemen. When the writing fraternity has cereal in the head and solid assumptions instead of arguments, it is always sad.
    It has already been said about the Atlantic coast of the United States as 1) important from the point of view of logistics; 2) about the industrial center; 3) about densely populated areas. It is not necessary to cover all the states with uranium fungi, a separate area is enough, in area, however, commensurate with our Central Federal District. Destruction of ports and industry in the Boston - Detroit - Orlando triangle and in Houston will already cause unacceptable damage to the economy - the destruction of industry, and this is the loss of jobs with unpredictable social consequences, the destruction of port infrastructure, making it impossible to deliver equipment from Europe to restore industry and other resources , as well as the transfer of military equipment in the direction of Europe, and, alas, the victims of the civilian population - a reduction in human resources for economic recovery.
    Now about the damaging factors. it is also known from the BSO course that air attack is most effective, but RA infection is a "pleasant" bonus to it. so striking a strategic target, you’ll catch on settlements anyway, and in the eastern United States the population density is such that it’s inevitable. Thus, the population will have to be evacuated, and in fact a large area for the foreseeable future will cease to be inhabited. Following. With a massive blow, we have big clouds of dust in the atmosphere. Under such conditions, you won’t be able to lift UAVs into the air (you can’t lift them up - the polar fox), and there is no question of using aviation. But I'm not talking about this, but about the fact that you can forget about the harvest on the part of the territory that was not attacked, it is unlikely that something will grow there, so that part of the population will have to return to their African roots and cannibalism, well, when the last cats are eaten up.
    And one moment. the nuclear power industry of the exceptional ones is also concentrated in this region, I very much doubt that nuclear power plants will survive in a massive blow, so this is another clove in the coffin of the overseas economy (and this is not about the contamination of the area, but about the shortage of e / energy).
    Will there be enough charges for this? It must be considered. I think that such calculations are available in the General Staff. and why invent a bicycle ... combat robots then?
  37. Imobile
    Imobile 9 June 2018 12: 24
    +6
    All right, the author laid out. I’m not at all sure that at least one missile will reach the United States, especially if they are the first to strike. And here are my comments on the comments:
    The United States is indeed developing in a decentralized manner, unlike Russia, where a blow to Moscow will carry away 90% of the population.
    No need to engage in hat-making, I remember the "urapatriots" said that the United States would "wash themselves with blood" in Iraq and explained that Iraq was a school of the USSR, with a lot of Soviet weapons. They even talked about the soldiers of Saddam, who are almost the coolest in the world.
    1. -Pollux
      -Pollux 9 June 2018 13: 16
      +3
      Quote: Imobile
      The United States is indeed developing in a decentralized manner, unlike Russia, where a blow to Moscow will carry away 90% of the population.

      This is just nonsense, the degree of urbanization in Russia and the United States is about the same.
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 9 June 2018 13: 54
        +3
        where a blow to Moscow will take 90% of the population.


        That is, the loss of "zamkadyshey" is not critical? They are not included in the population of the Russian Federation? An interesting train of thought ...
        Cynical of course ... am
      2. Antares
        Antares 9 June 2018 15: 20
        0
        Quote: Pollux
        the degree of urbanization in Russia and the United States is approximately the same.

        the level of urbanization is 76 US and 74% in the Russian Federation. (in 2017, reports reached 80.1%)
        1. Imobile
          Imobile 9 June 2018 16: 29
          0
          Where did I mention urbanization? I’m talking about Moskvanization, all the active went to Moscow, and the most active abroad
      3. Imobile
        Imobile 9 June 2018 16: 26
        0
        And in which city of the USA does 90% of the population live?
        1. -Pollux
          -Pollux 10 June 2018 20: 43
          0
          Quote: Imobile
          And in which city of the USA does 90% of the population live?

          In your sore imagination.
    2. Himdym
      Himdym 9 June 2018 13: 55
      0
      I’m not at all sure that at least one missile will reach the United States, especially if they are the first to strike.

      Why so uncertainty? Have you heard about the "perimeter"? this is if the Supreme will not have enough political will.
    3. Pissarro
      Pissarro 9 June 2018 15: 43
      +1
      Does 90% of Russia's population live in Moscow? Are you an author’s brother for an hour?)
      1. Imobile
        Imobile 9 June 2018 16: 33
        0
        But do you not agree that if you exclude grandmothers and count those who come to work, then the proportion of the population in Moscow is 90%?
        1. Pissarro
          Pissarro 9 June 2018 16: 37
          +2
          Are you familiar with arithmetic? 90% of Russia's population is 127 million. Are they all your way in Moscow?)))
          1. Imobile
            Imobile 9 June 2018 16: 42
            0
            I'm not talking about arithmetic, but about meaning. The USA is decentralized, I’m not even sure that cars will be able to move around Russia if all the bridges around Moscow are broken. Take a look at the USA map, there the roads are decentralized.
        2. E_V_N
          E_V_N 10 June 2018 14: 36
          +2
          Quote: Imobile
          But do you not agree that if you exclude grandmothers and count those who come to work, then the proportion of the population in Moscow is 90%?

          Sadly, there is practically no industry left in Moscow and it turns out 10% of the pellets feed 90% of the office plankton living in Moscow request
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 10 June 2018 15: 19
            +1
            Funny you request
            One person said one stupid thing:
            Quote: Imobile
            excluding grandmothers, and counting those who come to work, the proportion of the population in Moscow is 90%

            This is nonsense, of the able-bodied population in the Russian Federation - about 70 - 75 million people. Well, there are 12 million of them living in Moscow. This, along with grandmothers, infants and others.
            Where is it, to the raven, 90% of the population of the Russian Federation ??!
            You immediately added your share:
            Quote: E_V_N
            it turns out 10% zamkadyshey feed 90% of the office plankton living in Moscow

            Well, and this is already aobsche - beyond reason understanding ...
            E_V_NAre you sure everything is all right?
  38. -Pollux
    -Pollux 9 June 2018 12: 45
    0
    Author .... cool
    Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, after nuclear, are a formidable adversary, the fact that they are weak in peacetime does not bother the author absolutely.
    Nuclear bombs will not choose who to kill, homeless people who are not sorry or the elite, it is likely that the homeless elite will survive, they will be destined to destroy.
    There is no need to destroy the entire American army with nuclear weapons, it is necessary to destroy nuclear weapons and their delivery vehicles.
  39. bubelik
    bubelik 9 June 2018 12: 51
    +8
    An interesting comrade is Comrade Verkhoturov. To summarize two articles: the United States can destroy (trample into the Stone Age) Russia with 50 conventional charges, and Russia "only a little anger" the United States with 1500 nuclear charges, right? And what, one wonders, then, what the hell, the Yankees have not yet put this plan into effect? According to the author, to them the same nuclear explosions on his territory, then the quote "like manna from heaven"?
    What kind of clowning is presented as analytics?
    1. Semen1972
      Semen1972 9 June 2018 13: 11
      +2
      Quote: bubelik
      And what, one wonders, then, what the hell, the Yankees have not yet put this plan into effect?

      Maybe because they need them to work and sell their resources on this land, and transfer money to them ... like we do?
  40. Semen1972
    Semen1972 9 June 2018 13: 10
    0
    Very timely and correct article!
    1. poghta
      poghta 9 June 2018 13: 18
      +1
      "Hiroshima was only portrayed as a peaceful city in propaganda, but in reality it was a large military transport hub through which the Japanese troops were supplied to Korea, Manchuria and China, a large military-industrial center, and the headquarters of the 2nd defense command was located in Hiroshima Japan, which submitted to the 15th and 16th fronts. "
      And which cities are not military transport hubs, because everyone is a transport hub.
      Further, the author assures
      “If Russia clashes with NATO, then the war promises to be long, protracted, and very difficult, and this fact must be treated with understanding so that you don’t tear your hair off your head.”
      If the war with NATO will be waged by ordinary agents (since all nuclear weapons will be spent on America), then we will simply be crushed even without the USA - complete air supremacy, maximum superiority in the ground forces, etc.
      1. albert
        albert 9 June 2018 21: 11
        0
        Quote: Tohta
        (since all nuclear weapons will be spent on America), they will simply crush us even without the United States - complete air supremacy, maximum superiority in the ground forces, etc.

        The unfortunate writer, of course, did not take into account tactical nuclear weapons, and their number in Russia is large, according to some reports, up to 10000 units.
        1. wehr
          9 June 2018 21: 19
          0
          And now, on what sources is the grief commentator based? laughing
          1. albert
            albert 9 June 2018 21: 26
            0
            Inosmi website, a series of articles by the American "national interest". Data from the American intelligence on the Russian nuclear weapons storage facilities were cited. Their number was estimated at more than eight thousand charges.
            1. wehr
              9 June 2018 21: 32
              0
              More than 8 thousand - this is far from 10000 units, don’t you?
              That is, you rushed to criticize the "grief-writer" and immediately made a mistake. This usually happens.
              1. albert
                albert 9 June 2018 21: 37
                +2
                This is the minimum quantity. According to official sources, 28000 TNW units were inherited from the Union of Russia, and you did not answer the question of why you did not take it into account in the alleged clash with NATO on the European continent.
                1. wehr
                  9 June 2018 22: 48
                  +1
                  You did not ask me such a question in order to demand an answer to it.
                  But I’ll ask you: how else will you prove the existence of this arsenal? After all, to include it in the calculation, you need to make sure that it is available.
                  Prove its availability?
              2. Jerk
                Jerk 9 June 2018 22: 23
                +2
                More than eight - for example, this is 10 ... Rounding off, 10 will come out. 8 minimum, 10 - most likely. Bloop, HOW USUALLY - YOU did, and HOW USUALLY, instead of noticing the log, they blamed the opponent.
                Categorical and peremptory judgments do you know for whom was characteristic? For Sharikov ...
                1. wehr
                  9 June 2018 22: 46
                  0
                  Yes of course. And so round, and so .... laughing
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                  2. Jerk
                    Jerk 11 June 2018 16: 30
                    +1
                    Listen, but you’re not real - with problems in psychiatry? You know, the body ... Categorical judgments and complete non-perception of information, to you ... shoved into the upper ephedron - it says something ...
                    Don’t you call Vitya?
      2. E_V_N
        E_V_N 10 June 2018 14: 41
        0
        Quote: Tohta
        If the war with NATO will be waged by ordinary agents (since all nuclear weapons will be spent on America), then we will simply be crushed even without the USA - complete air supremacy, maximum superiority in the ground forces, etc.

        You would read the article first. The author writes that gas pipelines going to Europe The US will destroy. That is, European industry will experience a terrible shortage of electricity, gas and oil products. Well, even then Europe will fight? On foot with spears will go to Moscow?
  41. Anatoly Yakovlev
    Anatoly Yakovlev 9 June 2018 13: 13
    0
    take away their leadership will not help-ALL mother earth
  42. Evgenii Xolod
    Evgenii Xolod 9 June 2018 13: 21
    0
    They have a super volcano there))))) Well, and hydroelectric power distribution substations ,, industrial centers ....... All goals can not be listed? Well, radioactivity is the infection of everything and everyone. The author of the yao is not a grenade, it will not seem to anyone even if there is no mark and there will be a primitive yau from the enemy.
  43. V. Demon
    V. Demon 9 June 2018 14: 40
    0
    WELL DONE!!! Everything is very clear. Everything is very clear. Only the “Putin guys” have one slogan after us, even a flood, but the people do not mind.
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 9 June 2018 15: 48
      +2
      Are you sorry? You, non-Putin, what do you want for Russia? That it would not be without war?
  44. Vard
    Vard 9 June 2018 15: 06
    +1
    It didn’t come at once ... The author wants to convey the idea that we’ll sit without gas more than the deaths of several tens of millions of Americans ... I completely agree that the sheriff’s Indians don’t care ...
  45. Dancing gryzli
    Dancing gryzli 9 June 2018 15: 09
    +1
    The author’s strange logic. Fifty cruise missiles are enough to destroy Russia, and one and a half thousand nuclear charges are not enough to destroy the United States.
  46. NordOst16
    NordOst16 9 June 2018 15: 20
    +1
    Hmm, that’s what interests me. The author does not take into account possible losses from radioactive contamination (and modern ammunition is extremely dirty) and the problem of panic and disintegration of economic management. An example is the collapse of the USSR (by the way, there will soon be a holiday on this occasion). Only the breakdown of cooperation and the degradation of governing structures with a lack of funding could destroy a powerful economy without a single shot (well, it was not ideal, but still). As an example, we can point out that I have all the technical documentation in hand, factories and engineers we often can’t revive Soviet projects (energy, aircraft carrier, heavy transport vehicles, and much more, which we don’t even know about).
    And now about the otvetka. With the destruction of cities (not all, but parts), scientific centers and factories, even if not all, the close connection between the training of new specialists (for cities are the most important scientific, economic and educational centers), scientific research, production and services will be broken.
    Even if even one not the most powerful nuclear weapon is detonated in a megalopolis, a panic will begin and I don’t think that many people will want to stay in an infected place. At the same time, many objects and cities in the country will be under attack, it is not necessary to completely destroy the city - just a few explosive bombings and the rest will be completed by panic and radioactive contamination.
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 12 June 2018 08: 36
      0
      Yes, one explosion in the city is enough. And the people will flee from other major cities in advance through the villages even without explosions. Only there you can stretch for some time. Own water, kerosene, greenery in the garden ... With what working people did the author plan to continue producing weapons in cities?
  47. Antares
    Antares 9 June 2018 15: 24
    0
    just in case I checked - in New Zealand the naval bases of the USA and the Russian Federation ( laughing ) and there is no China.
    Something that all authors miss one thing (although the author remembered the Arab world), and these Asians ... And there are most of them on this planet.
    We are the last European (Americans, also former. Europeans) white people to kill each other and clear the place of Asia.
    True, without a global economy, they will be in no better condition than before colonization.
  48. Indifferent
    Indifferent 9 June 2018 15: 30
    +7
    I am surprised at the author. He has no idea what nuclear weapons are. Indeed, in addition to the epicenter of the explosion, which he meticulously calculated, a zone of radioactive contamination spreads over thousands of kilometers. Depending on the power of ammunition. They are conditionally divided into zones A, B, C. I don’t think that during the explosion of a thousand warheads someone will notify the population that radioactive ashes are strewed onto his head. There will be no time for this. And if in zone A you can still hide in the basement and survive, then for zones B and C you need capital bomb shelters in which you have to sit for weeks. And in zone B, death will overtake literally on the spot. It is enough to stay in it for half an hour. And it can be 100, or even 200 km from the place of the explosion. And if the shell of the warhead is made of cobalt, then the entire territory of the infection will be unsuitable for life for 200 years. And this is thousands of square kilometers. The author is completely unaware of this, as I see it. He attended school badly! Next, in the first place, energy facilities will be gouged. Starting from the nuclear power plant and ending with the Hoover Dam in Colorado. Without electricity in the United States will become "boring" especially in skyscrapers and supermarkets with armed blacks and Latinos. There have already been examples. Only they became during this time much more. Plus, atomic explosions, if they are ground-based, will cause severe fires in cities. The author will probably hear for the first time that concrete will begin to burn in the epicenter. Well, asphalt. The temperature will rise to thousands of degrees. The so-called fiery tornadoes will arise when the fire rises to the stratosphere. No one has really figured out what will happen to the atmosphere over such a country. Plus, forest fires that no one will put out. Plus tectonic disturbances, including those associated with Yellowstone. In addition, the Americans still believe in different ways that we have warheads. Alone on Yarsy and Maces 4 warheads. Others have 10 warheads. How much they really do not know, but ours are silent. And it’s a complete mess with tactical weapons. Although it is not so weak. Any large factory or home base will cover with a throat. There are completely contradictory data on them. There are cruise missiles. How many of them with UBP is unknown. There are torpedoes. The data are also contradictory. There are mines and shells. for bullet artillery and mortars. And there are land mines that are installed in the ground to deter the enemy from attack. About aircraft missiles, iskander, about air bombs of various calibers, I generally keep quiet. The Americans figured horseradish to the nose and drew 8000 warheads. But there were 30 of them in Soviet times. So the exact number of them is known only to a small circle of people in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. All this will also be loaded onto ships, planes and missiles and delivered through the North Pole and Poland to the places where sending strategists would be unprofitable.
    I still think that if I, while studying at a school in the distant 60s, drew a term paper on delivering a nuclear strike on Reykjavik, and this was a lot of work with losses, with the percentage of failure of certain nodes, industry, communications and people, both civilian and military. So at the moment it’s enough to summarize all the calculations made in the Soviet era and calculate how many total warheads are needed for the guaranteed destruction of the United States. I think that in the Moscow Region under the leadership of Shoigu all this has long been done.
  49. Brigadier
    Brigadier 9 June 2018 15: 31
    +2
    "If Russia clashes with NATO, the war promises to be long, protracted and very difficult, and this fact should be treated with understanding, so that you do not tear the hair on your head."
    I don’t know about the protracted war and nuclear weapons destruction zones, I’m not special here, but I know for sure that with such a President and a government that do everything to make the people of Russia worse and worse every day (frantic prices, real plans to increase the terms retirement, fraud and frank indifference of the ruling CAPITALIST bureaucratic elite, their hangers-on, etc.), FEW PEOPLE IN RUSSIA WHICH WILL PROTECT THEM! The people will simply wait for the end of all this military mess ... but go defend these ...
    The people you robbed will not go for you to die! Do not even hope! Yourself! Only yourself!
    If you can ...
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 9 June 2018 15: 50
      +1
      Write a letter to Mikado, wishing you victory. And normal guys will go to the trenches as is customary in Russia
  50. kakvastam
    kakvastam 9 June 2018 15: 36
    +1
    Thanks to the Author for trying to somehow resist our traditional hat-making. Thank you, even despite many controversial points and errors. He is still a historian, not a military one, so of course he does not know either the real state of things in the army or the psychology of the military on both sides.

    Nevertheless, an unshakable faith in the saving power of a “retaliatory strike” gives away superstition: the ancients left us a number of magical artifacts of incredible strength, which will certainly protect us from dark forces when the time comes. And it doesn’t matter that we ourselves have never used them, and the consequences of the use are mostly the result of our imagination - either we’ll burn, freeze, or wash away all tsunamis (I mean the ideas of the townsfolk, scientists, perhaps about what they guess) - they will protect, definitely.

    Most likely, this faith allows you to remain in a comfort zone, that is, not to prepare for the inevitable war themselves and not to require mobilization measures from the authorities, but if they themselves start to do something, they will resist by all means. Tighten - it is superfluous if there are magic artifacts. Somewhere. Someone.

    So thanks again to the author - maybe someone will wake up. And what is wrong at times is a historian, do not judge strictly.
    1. Standard
      Standard 11 June 2018 20: 22
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      Quote: kakvastam
      And what is wrong at times is a historian, do not judge strictly.

      The historian must understand the limits of his comprehension. And this author broadcasts as a developer of military plans. And if this (and such) scum is allowed ..., then the bell rings on us.
      1. kakvastam
        kakvastam 11 June 2018 23: 08
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        I don’t know about the scum, because I’m not personally acquainted with the author, but the bell has been ringing for us for more than a quarter of a century.
        And the fact that things are not going well with the enemy only increases the likelihood of an attempt to forcefully resolve the Russian issue.