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Media: The government chose the option of pension reform

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Next week on Thursday, the government can approve the pension reform, as well as the parameters for raising the retirement age, according to RBC publication, citing sources close to the government.


Media: The government chose the option of pension reform


As follows from the report, the option of increasing the retirement age for men up to 65 years, for women up to 63, i.e. for five and eight years, respectively, while taking a more relaxed for women scenario of retirement in 60 years. It is also assumed that most of the existing benefits for retirement for certain categories of citizens (military, security forces, hazardous industries, etc.) will be preserved.

In addition, it is reported that previously considered three options for raising the retirement age. The Ministry of Labor proposed two scenarios: the first provides for retirement in 65 years for men and in 60 years for women, the other in 62 years for men and in 60 years for women. The Ministry of Finance proposed the option in 65 years for men and 63 for women. According to RBC sources, the government stopped at this very option.

At the moment, the government has not commented on this information, they are also silent in the Ministry of Finance.
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  1. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 7 June 2018 20: 40
    +65
    And the right to live to retirement is guaranteed to us ???
    1. Andrey K
      Andrey K 7 June 2018 20: 47
      +44
      Quote: ANCIENT
      ... And the right to live to retirement is guaranteed to us ??? ...

      The government has not yet considered the right to survive until retirement; guarantee obligations are not confirmed wassat
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 7 June 2018 20: 50
        +5
        And when do they retire at VO? smile
        1. cniza
          cniza 7 June 2018 20: 51
          +16
          In VO only forward feet.
          1. The black
            The black 8 June 2018 06: 51
            +20
            Retiree! Remember! By surviving to retirement, you are damaging the Pension ford of Russia! ...
      2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 7 June 2018 20: 51
        +52
        That too much age raises. They want not to live up to retirement. And if you set a retirement age in 90 years and make a minimum pension of 100 thousand? Here you have the welfare of pensioners, as the guarantor said today. And how the government will be glad ...
        1. AUL
          AUL 7 June 2018 20: 56
          +40
          That too much age is raised.
          Fine! And now too many people live up to retirement, it’s such a loss for the FIU!
          1. Sharky
            Sharky 7 June 2018 22: 46
            +38
            It turns out that during the USSR people worked until 55/60, with a low level of automation, and with an 8-hour working day, and there was a Great Power with a powerful economy.
            Now the level of automation is much higher, at the time to reduce the working day and lower the retirement age, as robots are gradually replacing us. The level of productivity increases, since an atom can do faster and better work than a person .... And here I do not understand at all why we are still not a Super Power, as before? After all, this is logical ... But it turns out that our economy is not at all powerful and steep, but is sung in the second tier. Strange ... in the face of the incompetent government of the country, since the "managers" can not organize a decent level of income for the country. With all the possibilities (automation / cheap labor), they do not fulfill their functions. So can completely change such a management and give out deadlines for failure to complete the tasks? After all, if I mow at work, they ask me vpod until the criminal prosecution ...
            1. jeka424
              jeka424 8 June 2018 00: 39
              +13
              Where is it automation, on TV only
              1. Sharky
                Sharky 8 June 2018 13: 52
                +1
                Where is it automation, on TV only

                Sorry, but in what area are you working? Lawyer or psychologist?
                I declare to you responsibly that I work at sea as a mechanic. I started on a ship in 1924, passed steamships of the 70s and now I work on a ship built in 2010. The difference is very noticeable. The crews declined. Automation has reached a new level.
                1. jeka424
                  jeka424 8 June 2018 14: 03
                  +2
                  I work at VSMPO, Equipment of 60 years, complete devastation, and the fact that the new German equipment was installed does not work properly. which Kramotorsky Soviet holds, People are reduced and automation is not added.
                  1. Sharky
                    Sharky 8 June 2018 20: 31
                    +1
                    60 years old equipment, completely devastated,

                    We understand that this is a direct merit of the leadership. They only want to receive profit from the sale of titanium, why modernization? After all, everything has been working well since Soviet times! good
                    The fish rots from the head.
            2. StVahmistr
              StVahmistr 8 June 2018 09: 35
              +5
              So can completely change such a management and give out deadlines for failure to complete the tasks?
              Putin believes that the current composition of the government ("managers") is at the moment OPTIMAL! That is, you need to read like this: Erase! laughing
              1. Sharky
                Sharky 8 June 2018 13: 57
                +2
                Putin believes that the current composition of the government ("managers") is at the moment OPTIMAL! That is, you need to read like this: Erase!

                So maybe the problem is in it?
                I will tell you honestly, I do not go to the polls and my family does not go. Vote, do not vote ... All the same, you get "...". laughing
                1. StVahmistr
                  StVahmistr 11 June 2018 09: 06
                  0
                  Vote, do not vote ... All the same, you get "...". laughing
                  Then I completely agree with you! All stopitstsot!
        2. san4es
          san4es 7 June 2018 21: 22
          +4
          Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          ... They want not to live to retirement ..

          ... Or got another job winked
          ... most of the existing retirement benefits for certain categories of citizens (military, security forces, harmful industries, etc.) will be preserved
          1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 7 June 2018 21: 24
            +31
            Quote: san4es
            Or got a job

            For example in PMCs
            1. san4es
              san4es 7 June 2018 21: 37
              +6
              Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              ... for example in PMCs

              laughing ... Or at the chemical industry, "accelerate" wassat
          2. Rurik
            Rurik 8 June 2018 00: 33
            +3
            In another world (((
        3. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 7 June 2018 21: 39
          +25
          Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
          That too much age raises.

          Seriously, this is a very thoughtful move by "our" government - first they will announce an increase of five and eight years, then after the protests Putin will intervene, and with a hard hand will limit the increase to within 2-3 years. laughing This is a performance like gasoline prices. Raised prices, reduced excise taxes, lowered prices. But prices will not be reduced to the initial level, but by about half the bullied price. hi
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 7 June 2018 22: 20
            +8
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            But prices will not be reduced to the initial level, but by about half the price

            In Krasnoyarsk, gasoline has fallen in price. Right from today. Already 50 kopecks. laughing
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 7 June 2018 22: 34
              +3
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              In Krasnoyarsk, gasoline has fallen in price. Right from today. Already 50 kopecks.

              It's not enough, they’ll throw another fifty dollars, anyway! laughing
            2. Skarpzd
              Skarpzd 8 June 2018 02: 22
              +2
              yes .... I screwed up my predictions. I said earlier that cents will be cheaper by 20-40. and it’s what ...
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 8 June 2018 06: 38
            +3
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            That too much age raises.

            Seriously, this is a very thoughtful move by "our" government - first they will announce an increase of five and eight years, then after the protests Putin will intervene, and with a hard hand will limit the increase to within 2-3 years. laughing This is a performance like gasoline prices. Raised prices, reduced excise taxes, lowered prices. But prices will not be reduced to the initial level, but by about half the bullied price. hi

            So these games of the good and bad cops are constantly taking place, as well as with gasoline - they raised prices, and then live broadcasts, and here the guarantor firmly stops the price increase, but does not reduce .... etc.
      3. ANCIENT
        ANCIENT 7 June 2018 21: 13
        +15
        Andrei hi I understand that they guarantee us that no one guarantees us anything! !!! No.
        1. Logall
          Logall 7 June 2018 21: 18
          +17
          hi They guarantee themselves a comfortable life ... Without any pension!
        2. Freeman
          Freeman 7 June 2018 22: 56
          +13
          Quote: ANCIENT
          Andrei hi I understand that they guarantee us that no one guarantees us anything! !!! No.

          stop Well why.
          Boris Yeltsin constantly spoke without a piece of paper, because of which he often fell into embarrassment, and his phrases became winged. So, in early 1991, while still on the post of chairman of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR, he promised: "Dear Russians! You will live badly, but not for long.".
          / phrase versions are also attributed to V. Chernomyrdin and A. Lukashenko /

          So "Successor 2000" decided to realize the promise of his predecessor and one of the teachers.

          Threat. And here we are outraged that the "May decrees 2012" are not implemented. Then for one of the “former”, the “promised” is still “to fulfill and fulfill”.
        3. Andrey K
          Andrey K 8 June 2018 13: 37
          0
          Quote: ANCIENT
          ... as I understand it, they guarantee us that nobody guarantees us anything! !!! No....

          Sergei hi
          You got it right
      4. YasenPen
        YasenPen 8 June 2018 03: 37
        +15
        "... but otherwise, the beautiful marquise ... everything is fine, everything is fine!" (according to Utesov).
        Our guarantor is a man of the word: he wanted to give, he wanted to take ..., but where will he leave his!
      5. INTER
        INTER 8 June 2018 05: 21
        +13
        Quote: Andrey K
        The government has not yet considered the right to survive until retirement; guarantee obligations are not confirmed

        Yesterday there was an article that young people from 25-35 spend on themselves and pose a threat to the system, so now this contingent will increase and will be from 20-65 years old.
        I meet a lot of young friends, as many say they want to leave Russia, others say that they would leave for the wilderness where there is nobody. Our authorities have adopted a dead end branch of development for the population. Not on the people of your country you need to earn money, but developing the economy, reducing%, creating, creating.
        Look at Turkmenistan.
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 7 June 2018 20: 49
      +18
      Quote: ANCIENT
      And the right to live to retirement is guaranteed to us ???

      And do not expect !!! amBut what a gorgeous straight line was !!!
    3. sabakina
      sabakina 7 June 2018 20: 50
      +32
      Sergey, it seems to me that under the current constitution, we have no rights, only responsibilities.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 7 June 2018 20: 54
        +13
        Quote: sabakina
        Sergey, it seems to me that under the current constitution, we have no rights, only responsibilities.

        Vyacheslav! Not the state for us, but we for him. Always! am
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 7 June 2018 21: 01
          +24
          I saw somewhere in VO a poster from the "Duma debate" on readings:
          The people should live well.
          The people must live.
          Adopted at the last reading:
          The people must!
        2. sabakina
          sabakina 7 June 2018 21: 10
          +14
          Sergey, Ulyanov (Lenin) and Stalin thought differently. Citizens live normally - there is a normal state. Citizens live poorly - will this state soon exist? Nevertheless, I want to believe that the Lord God will not leave us now. And for some reason I really want to live in retirement for at least a year. From school immediately to work. There was no break between the works for more than 2 weeks, then the law was like that. For the entire period, I work at the third job. I have been working since 1986.
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 7 June 2018 21: 33
            +1
            Yes, and I do not mind!
      2. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 7 June 2018 20: 59
        +12
        Mdya ... It’s even easier here: the age of a possible retirement began to increase from January 1 to 2017 and will do it several more times. The Belarusian authorities announced all 6 stages before the 2022 year - these are the minimum rates that the state can afford. The state plans to raise the retirement age for men to 63 years, for women - 58 years. That is, the retirement age is gradually being increased by 3 of the year.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 7 June 2018 21: 34
          +4
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Mdya ... It’s even easier here: the age of a possible retirement began to increase from January 1 to 2017 and will do it several more times. The Belarusian authorities announced all 6 stages before the 2022 year - these are the minimum rates that the state can afford. The state plans to raise the retirement age for men to 63 years, for women - 58 years. That is, the retirement age is gradually being increased by 3 of the year.

          I envy!
        2. sabakina
          sabakina 7 June 2018 21: 46
          +3
          Pash, even in your situation, the "tower" shines on me.
        3. hump
          hump 7 June 2018 21: 53
          +4
          Nothing. GDP will fall in 6 years and with it the dad and you will have 80 years for everyone in the EU
          1. poquello
            poquello 7 June 2018 22: 21
            +9
            Quote: Chepa
            Nothing. GDP will fall in 6 years

            with such manners 6 years is a luxury
            1. Freeman
              Freeman 7 June 2018 22: 58
              +15
              Quote: poquello
              Quote: Chepa
              Nothing. GDP will fall in 6 years

              with such manners 6 years is a luxury

              With such manners, it becomes clear that he is not going to dump. wink
              1. poquello
                poquello 7 June 2018 23: 43
                +3
                Quote: Freeman
                Quote: poquello
                Quote: Chepa
                Nothing. GDP will fall in 6 years

                with such manners 6 years is a luxury

                With such manners, it becomes clear that he is not going to dump. wink

                so Petsya in dill with a 3% rating sits on the priest exactly, dill is really lower than the plinth, and Holland did not bother the unpopularity, if you are close to being right, but this is Russia - a country of miracles and lazy people
          2. sabakina
            sabakina 7 June 2018 22: 39
            +2
            Quote: Chepa
            Nothing. GDP will fall in 6 years and with it the dad and you will have 80 years for everyone in the EU

            Yeah, they have “shave-offs” as from a sanatorium, and 80-year-old “shave-offs” roam the planet ...
        4. Opera
          Opera 7 June 2018 22: 04
          +5
          Mdya ...) You have much easier pensions in Belarus and salaries are even easier ... You invite all of you here who are envious, dear Belarusian comrade, and who are greatly suffering from Russian reality! You have already raised your retirement age, but we have RBC, something has said, and already so many readers have begun to die a little bit! Save the people! I was thinking here - and if we help Belarus half as much, and you half work harder for yourself and our dying people will help you, then you won’t lose anything, but we’ll also raise pensions ... And ?!
          1. Opera
            Opera 7 June 2018 22: 36
            +5
            Forgive me and do not be offended that I so brazenly got into your revolutionary club! I just wanted it better ... I thought about it, but if Belarus stopped helping at all? And then, for more than 11 years, according to the IMF, various Russian aid for $ 100 billion has exceeded this; how much pension will we increase ?! And our dissatisfied labor force will come to you ... And we will live! Sorry one more time. I do not ask for membership in the club. All-leaving, leaving ...)
            1. Hire
              Hire 7 June 2018 22: 44
              +7
              Quote: Oper
              according to the IMF, various Russian aid for $ 100 billion exceeded

              And you try to integrate into these streams. Then maybe you will understand where, why and why. Then maybe stupid questions will disappear?
        5. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 7 June 2018 22: 05
          +6
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Mdya ... It’s even easier here: the age of a possible retirement began to increase from January 1 to 2017 and will do it several more times. The Belarusian authorities announced all 6 stages before the 2022 year - these are the minimum rates that the state can afford. The state plans to raise the retirement age for men to 63 years, for women - 58 years. That is, the retirement age is gradually being increased by 3 of the year.

          We have men in 67, and women in 64. And for a long time.
          1. poquello
            poquello 7 June 2018 22: 18
            +12
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            We have men in 67, and women in 64. And for a long time.

            so I think, whom does Medvedev remind me of (hereinafter untranslatable pun)
            1. Freeman
              Freeman 7 June 2018 23: 58
              +10
              Quote: poquello
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              We have men in 67, and women in 64. And for a long time.

              so I think, whom does Medvedev remind me of (hereinafter untranslatable pun)

              You are unfair to Medvedev. Even he thought.
              - Here. He asks the Lord to help survive to retirement.

              wassat
              1. Antiliberast
                Antiliberast 8 June 2018 01: 46
                +3
                Quote: Freeman
                Here. He asks the Lord to help survive to retirement.

                Apparently, you’ve got flour in your eye and you didn’t notice the bearded man with an evil look behind the prime minister, take a closer look, he at least put an ultrasound on Diman’s kidney, I would look at you in this position crying Surrounded by demons!
          2. Karenius
            Karenius 7 June 2018 22: 23
            +3
            Quote: Aron Zaavi

            We have men in 67, and women in 64. And for a long time.

            Aron, you probably have a healthcare system that blows dust off citizens, and at 70 yours will be able to train with a sledgehammer ...
            I wonder which country you can compare your level of concern for the state and people?
            1. Opera
              Opera 7 June 2018 22: 27
              +5
              Only with Armenia! I don’t know another such country where ...) Only with Armenia!
              1. Karenius
                Karenius 8 June 2018 20: 13
                +1
                Quote: Oper
                Only with Armenia! I don’t know another such country where ...) Only with Armenia!

                - What are you writing about?
                - I’m writing an opera.
                - And what about?
                - Oper said, at least write fables.
                _______
                Oper, your Moscow Jews (who are with you in a harness of horsepower) have done so since October 27.10.99, XNUMX. we became a colony for the Jews.
                Responsibility is on you ...
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              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 8 June 2018 05: 56
                0
                Quote: poquello
                you shouldn’t fantasize, G. have bourgeois with pensions and they are trying to shove us into the same shit

                What, and in France with Germany G. with pensions?
                Proofs in the studio, please ...
                And then they tell me that everything is not bad with their pensions.
                You probably know better?
                1. poquello
                  poquello 8 June 2018 23: 36
                  0
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  Quote: poquello
                  you shouldn’t fantasize, G. have bourgeois with pensions and they are trying to shove us into the same shit

                  What, and in France with Germany G. with pensions?
                  Proofs in the studio, please ...

                  Chett my enemies deleted
                  France - 62, Germany-67, Britain - 65 etc.
                  https://doorinworld.ru/stati/pensii-v-evrope
                  Che wanted to say something?
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 10 June 2018 20: 12
                    0
                    Quote: poquello
                    France - 62, Germany-67, Britain - 65 etc.

                    How much is it in rubles?
                    If you are talking about age, then the amount of the pension outweighs the “age-related disadvantage” of the pension, in my opinion. Or is it G. in your opinion?
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 10 June 2018 20: 14
                      0
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      Quote: poquello
                      France - 62, Germany-67, Britain - 65 etc.

                      How much is it in rubles?

                      it's in retirement years
                      1. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 10 June 2018 20: 23
                        0
                        I repeat, the years of retirement do not retire in the states you mentioned, do not outweigh the amount of pension in them (in my opinion). And the living conditions there were better than in Russia. If in the Russian Federation, pension payments were comparable with the German ones, then it would be possible to tolerate. However, if, if only, then ...
          3. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 7 June 2018 22: 28
            +11
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            We have men in 67, and women in 64. And for a long time.

            And what is the life span? Is it easy to find work after 60? What about salaries? And then the professor was broadcasting that you were already not working at construction sites there. And anyway ... I would have looked, as you would say in our climate, we would have laid a brick in the winter after 60, on the ninth floor somewhere.
          4. sabakina
            sabakina 7 June 2018 22: 51
            +3
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            We have men in 67, and women in 64. And for a long time.
            Only Aron, do not forget in what climate you live, and in which we are. We don’t wear shoes with thin soles out of season - and yeah, a fatal outcome. We have pneumonia easily can be obtained at plus 15 degrees heat.
          5. Dmitry Donskoy
            Dmitry Donskoy 7 June 2018 22: 59
            +4
            You do not have a winter of 9 months a year at temperatures up to minus 60 g Celsius, the cold kills and moreover, pretty quickly
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 8 June 2018 07: 55
              0
              Quote: Dmitriydonskoy
              the cold kills and quite quickly

              But the chump in the cold thinks better! good
          6. INTER
            INTER 8 June 2018 05: 31
            +3
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            We have men in 67, and women in 64. And for a long time.

            What salaries do you have, medicine, living standards? Do they take work after 40?
          7. Antares
            Antares 8 June 2018 11: 20
            0
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            We have men in 67, and women in 64. And for a long time.

            Yes, you have the best medicine in the region (and not only)
            average life expectancy of 82,05 years (2015)
            Over the past two years, life expectancy in Israel has increased by two years. And this trend will continue. If in 2015, men in Israel on average lived to 78,2 years, then in 2017 - 80,1 years. In women, respectively, 82,2 and 84,1 years. Thus, as calculated in the Ministry of Health, daily average life expectancy is increased by 5 hours.
            And our advantages are a continuation of our shortcomings.
            At the same time, an aging population is observed. So, by 2021, the number of people over 75 years old will increase by 20.000, and after another four years - by 30.000.
      3. Observer2014
        Observer2014 7 June 2018 21: 08
        +11
        sabakina (Vyacheslav) Slavik hi
        it seems to me that under the current constitution, we have no rights, only responsibilities.
        Yes, in general, you need to fine someone who was lucky to live up to this pension. laughing Up to the ultimate measure. How to feed retirees parasites ?! wassat But what songs sang before the election laughing
      4. ANCIENT
        ANCIENT 7 June 2018 21: 11
        +9
        Glory! hi Our right to live longer is substituted for the obligation to play in the box early! !! belay
    4. NordUral
      NordUral 7 June 2018 20: 58
      +13
      You are completely insolent, Sergey Vitalievich! Well, you can’t get so impudently into the organized crime group, it’s not for us.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 7 June 2018 21: 51
        +3
        Quote: ANCIENT
        Glory! hi Our right to live longer is substituted for the obligation to play box early! !! belay

        Quote: NordUral
        Well, you can’t get so impudently into the organized crime group, it’s not for you and me.

        Zhenya, as I understand it, we won’t even have a box? belay
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 07
          +3
          It seems so, Vyacheslav! These creatures have already taxed the tremors on the garden plots, and there will soon be no coffins for the people, so they will put the mortal body of a ram that has endured this scum into a bag.
    5. Berkut24
      Berkut24 7 June 2018 21: 41
      +7
      And the right to live to retirement is guaranteed to us ???

      They guarantee to survive the average for the hospital ... But the work is not guaranteed. somehow liberal according to Kudrin while everything goes.
    6. tchoni
      tchoni 7 June 2018 22: 31
      +2
      Exactly. It is necessary to throw work on the Chinese mountain and start to thump))) And then, Boyus, there will be no time for retirement for this)))
    7. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich 8 June 2018 00: 19
      +10
      Having such a government of enemies and not necessary, they forgot to say that all this is done at the request of the population and for the benefit of the population. Stalin shot the enemies of the people, and now the entire government is equipped with enemies of the people.
    8. urman
      urman 8 June 2018 07: 57
      +4
      Don't ask stupid questions!
      All who do not live to retirement simply did not fit into the market,
      just such garbage that you should not pay attention to.
      As the saying goes, greetings from the 90s, the Chubais-Gaidar affair lives and thrives!
    9. Whowhy
      Whowhy 8 June 2018 09: 54
      +2
      Yes, even if they provide the right to work at that age. All job advertisements write: "Until the age of 45."
      1. urman
        urman 8 June 2018 20: 33
        0
        Quote: whowhy
        they write: "Until the age of 45."

        Well, we have up to 55, by the way the company that builds Tavrida, the so-called VAD, they say in plain text, I would take you, well, the central office, the one in St. Petersburg will not miss.
        As they say hello from St. Petersburg friends, Our everything!
  2. NEOZ
    NEOZ 7 June 2018 20: 41
    +21
    That help did not come, reinforcements were not sent ...
    here are such, Brother affairs! you and me ... have deceived ...
    1. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 7 June 2018 20: 44
      +7
      I understand that, well, like "love" ??? wassat
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        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 7 June 2018 21: 00
          +7
          adma (Adma)
          I do not like Grebenshchikov, but here I agree ...
          Ah, I like to listen. And I strongly agree hi
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 7 June 2018 21: 03
          +7
          For this song I’ll forget all of his showers, he has the right.
          1. Freeman
            Freeman 7 June 2018 21: 46
            +5
            Quote: NordUral
            For this song I’ll forget all of his showers, he has the right.

            hi This is the song of the "HZ" group (on Yandex Music, this group is present). Grebenshchikov only made a cover version.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 10
              +1
              I didn’t know, Alex, thank you! But he sang BG, for which thanks to him, he took his soul!
  3. adma
    adma 7 June 2018 20: 44
    +29
    Reform and security officials will be affected. They plan to raise the minimum length of service for pensions to 30 years.
    Threat; Even the forum patriots cheated .... wassat
    1. Alexey Ivanov_2
      Alexey Ivanov_2 7 June 2018 20: 51
      +5
      Well. 30 years. I think this is unlikely, but 25 years is very possible
      1. adma
        adma 7 June 2018 20: 54
        +2
        And who will ban them? They also want to cut sanatorium-resort and special clinics.
        One thing pleases - the law has no retroactive force.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 7 June 2018 21: 02
          +3
          Quote: adma
          And who will ban them? They also want to cut sanatorium-resort and special clinics.
          One thing pleases - the law has no retroactive force.

          What is it, Orthodox, rob am am am !!!
    2. q75agent
      q75agent 7 June 2018 20: 55
      +1
      well, about 30 years old you got excited, but about 25 yes, such rumors have been circulating for a long time
      1. adma
        adma 7 June 2018 21: 02
        +2
        Quote: q75agent
        well, about 30 years old you got excited, but about 25 yes, such rumors have been circulating for a long time

        I? belay
        Rumors just go about 30 years. It seems to be while postponed. And 25 - do not go to a fortuneteller .....
        1. Ice ax
          Ice ax 7 June 2018 22: 27
          +1
          After the end of the service, all security forces have a 300t lump sum. rub. and look for work, and get a pension at 65, like everyone else, but military. Somehow they decided like that.
    3. Phil77
      Phil77 7 June 2018 21: 13
      +10
      Quote: adma
      Reform and security officials will be affected. They plan to raise the minimum length of service for pensions to 30 years.
      Threat; Even the forum patriots cheated .... wassat

      There is nothing to cover. The wrong one! hi
    4. NordUral
      NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 11
      +1
      Maybe they thought, finally? And the other part of the payment was terminated as unnecessary until 2024.
  4. Phil77
    Phil77 7 June 2018 20: 48
    +24
    Selected GDP and associates, get! am Live happily ever after. The truth is with the last problem!
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 7 June 2018 21: 04
      +11
      And with the penultimate one, is it prettier already?
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 7 June 2018 21: 07
        +2
        Quote: NordUral
        And with the penultimate one, is it prettier already?

        And with the penultimate how it goes hi
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 7 June 2018 21: 55
          +3
          Seryoga, everything is fine. We will live happily ever after. But not for long. I mean, the transition from life to death. And there, someone will be so lucky.
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 7 June 2018 22: 23
            +3
            Quote: sabakina
            Seryoga, everything is fine. We will live happily ever after. But not for long. I mean, the transition from life to death. And there, someone will be so lucky.

            I agree! How did the Maestro say there? We will live! drinks
          2. Dmitry Donskoy
            Dmitry Donskoy 7 June 2018 23: 06
            +2
            The main thing is not to live out the time to retirement with outstretched hand where the thread at the monastery am am
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 13
          +1
          That's for sure! I personally will try to offend them, but that’s how God will give it.
  5. Alexey Ivanov_2
    Alexey Ivanov_2 7 June 2018 20: 49
    +34
    Liberal guys from the liberal government. take an interest in Rosstat, they will explain to you there. that the MOST high mortality rate in Russia is among men aged 60-65 years. Here the Pension Fund will be delighted without pensioners. They will build new palaces for themselves, they will buy apartments for officials! Well done! So you die! It is in the White House that you can sit bureaucrat loafers up to 90 years old, and you stand at the machine or at the open-hearth at 65 years old! Besides. after 40 it’s impossible to get a job. except the janitor and the handyman. Who will hire a 60-year-old?
    1. urman
      urman 8 June 2018 08: 05
      +1
      Quote: Alexey Ivanov_2
      Who will hire a 60-year-old?

      I don’t know about 60, or rather you are right.
      But I was refused in two places, they accept only up to 55.
      Putin is a great chess player!
      Before the election, he didn’t talk about penny reform, and now he also went around on a crooked goat.
      If you said then 5% would not have scored.
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 8 June 2018 11: 51
        +3
        Quote: urman
        Putin is a great chess player!
        Before the election, he didn’t talk about penny reform, and now he also went around on a crooked goat.
        If you said then 5% would not have scored.

        And nobody knew? This has been talked about for how many years! Waiting only for the election! How can one be so naive? BUT! This is, as usual, agents of the State Department said all-crawler. And about expensive gasoline, and about raising taxes and retirement age, and everything else that remains to be done. In VO such 7-8 years ago, furious Putinists furiously banned. According to them, the holy sun-faced leader leads us exclusively to universal prosperity.
        1. urman
          urman 8 June 2018 20: 49
          +1
          Quote: Svetlana
          furious Putinists banned fiercely.

          Putinists are not Putinists, Well, when he went around on a crooked goat the question of raising the retirement age!
          And he spoke stupidly, then personally I was at a loss.
          I respected him as a guy, and here such a cheap Zeher, like a punks.
          Well, if you’re a Man, then speak and explain to people, maybe they’ll understand,
          so no, Russia is ahead, Russians are not abandoning theirs, pah ... and again pah at you (gdp).
          For me, the concepts of Homeland and State are divided, damn there is no smaller font,
          Yes, I’m old, well, I’m out of the way, with hucksters and swindlers!
          At least from the 90s, even now, and if I don’t regret money for champagne, I’ll tear it to the wake and 5 accordions!
          1. Svetlana
            Svetlana 8 June 2018 21: 29
            +2
            Quote: urman
            For me, the concepts of Homeland and State are divided, damn there is no smaller font,
            Yes, I’m old, well, I’m out of the way, with hucksters and swindlers!

            It is surprising that only now in people enlightenment comes. It's good. The bad thing is that not everyone has. A good artist, after all, is the one who drives us.
            1. urman
              urman 9 June 2018 14: 12
              0
              Yes no hi
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 16
      +1
      Who do you teach Ivanov Alexey? Rosstat is always lying, but their mortality data is (internal) accurate, or rather nowhere. They all know, but the toad torments them to give something to the people. The calculation is accurate - just as much - so that a pensioner does not die.
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 8 June 2018 11: 55
        +1
        Quote: NordUral
        Who do you teach Ivanov Alexey?

        Yes, Ivanov does not teach anyone Ivanov, he simply stated a fact. About mortality, by the way, is also a lie. All of them are lies. What figures the government has made a request for, such will be given.
  6. Observer2014
    Observer2014 7 June 2018 20: 53
    +24
    In general, it’s clear. I personally and millions of others can’t physically survive until retirement. My specialty does not allow me to live to 65. So freebies in retirement in 45 are more difficult than one place laughing like I can’t see ..
    At the moment, the government has not commented on this information, they are also silent in the Ministry of Finance.
    And what should they comment on ?! This slag is not a people's government. And so. The ballast is useless and harmful to all the Russian people.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 7 June 2018 22: 02
      +4
      Do not worry Seryoga, in which case, create a company, find a suitable article, sit down. They say that the conditions of detention are almost sanatorium. Maybe we die after the expiration of life. wink
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 7 June 2018 22: 13
        +5
        sabakina (Vyacheslav)
        Do not worry Seryoga, in which case, create a company, find a suitable article, sit down. They say that the conditions of detention are almost sanatorium. Maybe we die after the expiration of life.
        laughing
        Oh, I don’t worry. Let those who vote for this garbage worry. Oh, I would not like to be a member of that party bully Now it’s clear why he didn’t go to the polls from United Russia ?! To at least somehow save them from popular gratitude. And there will be no end to gratitude. For our happy life. Or the right to hold out until retirement feel .
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 7 June 2018 22: 57
          +5
          Gray, I remembered the "bony hand of hunger" from Soviet books. I never thought that I would have to experience myself .... Creatures!
  7. Giants
    Giants 7 June 2018 20: 53
    +12
    Media: The government chose the option of pension reform
    At last! Are born, glory to those, Lord! Well, now a ferocious tryndets will come to the decaying West, or should I still have to wait?
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 7 June 2018 21: 09
      +3
      Quote: Giants
      Media: The government chose the option of pension reform
      At last! Are born, glory to those, Lord! Well, now a ferocious tryndets will come to the decaying West, or should I still have to wait?

      Ha! Rather like you and me, well, and many others !!!
  8. Loess
    Loess 7 June 2018 20: 55
    +6
    I suggest retirement age depending on the number of grandchildren ... Maybe even the birth rate will increase))
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 7 June 2018 22: 07
      +1
      Then the country will turn into one continuous camp. Hey romals ....
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 22
        +2
        It also occurred to me, but did not write. True, I thought about our former compatriots in the Union.
        If so, then they will replace us, how to give drink! One hope that later, in gratitude, those in power will be cut!

        But there is another way - the unification of the whole people, Russians. Tatars, Yakuts, Bashkirs, Chechens, all, to return the country to the future! There is still hope for this.
    2. Ice ax
      Ice ax 7 June 2018 22: 30
      +2
      Late, everything has already been decided for you.
      1. Loess
        Loess 7 June 2018 22: 51
        +1
        Don’t worry about me.
        1. Ice ax
          Ice ax 8 June 2018 17: 10
          0
          Really needed.
  9. Snail N9
    Snail N9 7 June 2018 21: 01
    +8
    Oh, how "unexpected" ... And who would have thought ... wink lol
  10. samarin1969
    samarin1969 7 June 2018 21: 05
    +10
    It would be fairer to raise the retirement age for self-employed type. People who paid taxes did not take sick leave, worked in the 90s "for thanks" and have equal pension rights along with those who worked only for themselves. But "our" government expectedly went the other way. And "our" Ministry of Finance announced thanks to everyone who will save state funds in cemeteries. budget. request
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 7 June 2018 21: 11
      +2
      Quote: samarin1969
      It would be fairer to raise the retirement age for self-employed type. People who paid taxes did not take sick leave, worked in the 90s "for thanks" and have equal pension rights along with those who worked only for themselves. But "our" government expectedly went the other way. And "our" Ministry of Finance announced thanks to everyone who will save state funds in cemeteries. budget. request

      Normal "heroes" always go around!
  11. Lars971a
    Lars971a 7 June 2018 21: 07
    +21
    What can I say? Retirement at 60 and 55 is the last achievement of socialism, that is, the USSR. This means that the victims of our great-grandfathers and grandfathers were both in vain during the October Revolution and during World War II, and came to what they left. Not everyone will survive to retirement. I want to add, we are all to blame, we all voted for edro, for our president. Although I always voted against. I hold leftist views, but my voice is a drop in the ocean. Therefore, I can say that I am glad for those who voted for edro and our president, especially for our women. All that remains for me is to submit to the majority.
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 7 June 2018 21: 22
      +8
      Quote: Lars971A
      So the victims of our great-grandfathers and grandfathers both in the time of the October Revolution and during the Great Patriotic War were in vain, came to what they left.

      1. sabakina
        sabakina 7 June 2018 22: 12
        +5
        Uh-huh. And the truth is at the bottom of the bottle. Few of them ruined souls in the 90s & zero. Shcha the second wave will go.
    2. Svetlana
      Svetlana 7 June 2018 22: 05
      +12
      Quote: Lars971A
      Although I always voted against. I hold leftist views, but my voice is a drop in the ocean. Therefore, I can say that I am glad for those who voted for edro and our president, especially for our women. All that remains for me is to submit to the majority.

      Judging by statements like yours, it's the other way around. I voted for Grudinin, I think, not just me, but the majority just, but they counted us as they needed.
      1. yehat
        yehat 7 June 2018 22: 42
        0
        did you try to read Siskin’s program? there was continuous impossible populism.
        he was no better than Putin.
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 7 June 2018 23: 40
          +7
          Quote: yehat
          did you try to read Siskin’s program? there was continuous impossible populism.
          he was no better than Putin.

          Read. Everything there is doable in our country and the majority of people supported this program and would support its implementation. Populism today was demonstrated in all its glory on TV.
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 26
          +1
          What are you scolding to leave? Have you read it yourself? His village speaks for him and those ruins of state farms that were around Moscow.
          So do not lie!
          1. yehat
            yehat 8 June 2018 09: 31
            +1
            there is no ernism.
            Both Grudinin and Putin now cause me a feeling of extreme disgust, because voters are considered not for people, but for resources and communicate accordingly.
            Both the lack of Putin’s program and Grudinin’s pseudo-program are equally bad.
            You say that this is his (Grudinina) village? Well, already lying. Read what belongs to whom and with what money.
            1. Svetlana
              Svetlana 8 June 2018 10: 04
              +1
              Quote: yehat
              You say that this is his (Grudinina) village? Well, already lying. Read what belongs to whom and with what money.

              The village is as municipal as it is throughout the country.
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 7 June 2018 23: 01
        +3
        After the 1996 elections .... I won’t be surprised if they say that the Sun revolves around the Earth.
    3. alfa19638
      alfa19638 7 June 2018 23: 20
      +3
      must fight
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 30
        +2
        Grudinin, Boldyrev and his comrades need to create a party, and maybe not need to create, but go to the communists and reformat it so that both left and right, all Russian patriots are united. I’ll immediately join this party and I think that there will be millions, those millions whose votes have been brazenly stolen or ignored in the "honest March" elections!
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 8 June 2018 10: 06
          +1
          Quote: NordUral
          Grudinin, Boldyrev and his comrades need to create a party

          They have a union of many different parties, this is enough, the main goal is common - the fight against the thieves' regime.
  12. Eduard petrov
    Eduard petrov 7 June 2018 21: 08
    +19
    Bravo Putin! Thank the electorate, deserve it! And gasoline is more expensive in order to fully experience the love of the motherland for her sons.

    If only after March 18, something began to improve, then it would be alarming, and so everything was in plan, as it should be!))
  13. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa 7 June 2018 21: 12
    +13
    hey xnumx percent of the voters? how do you like ok yes? the guarantor threw you stability.
    Beautifully, they threw the news after a straight line. Mine Goth I will run away from this country at the first opportunity.
    1. Fox
      Fox 7 June 2018 21: 24
      +7
      Quote: Heterocapsa
      Mine Goth I will flee from this country at the first opportunity.

      yes nowhere to run then ... we are not Ukraine.
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 7 June 2018 22: 38
          +8
          Quote: sabakina
          Yes, there’s a kind of option. Herman Lviv Sterligov. Natural economy. Own laws. There is a weapon. HZ ...

          What do you think that there are still places in Russia where you can hide? The Chinese will be launched everywhere and you will not have enough cartridges for them. In recent years, 10 has also relied on a field economy in the event of a grandiose racket. But, most likely, you have to go to the barricades, otherwise kirdyk.
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 8 June 2018 05: 57
            +1
            Quote: Svetlana
            Quote: sabakina
            Yes, there’s a kind of option. Herman Lviv Sterligov. Natural economy. Own laws. There is a weapon. HZ ...

            What do you think that there are still places in Russia where you can hide? The Chinese will be launched everywhere and you will not have enough cartridges for them. In recent years, 10 has also relied on a field economy in the event of a grandiose racket. But, most likely, you have to go to the barricades, otherwise kirdyk.

            There are few real violent ones, and there is no leader! V.S. Vysotsky
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 33
              +1
              There are few real violent ones, and there is no leader! V.S. Vysotsky

              Semenych and genius, and bastard! But as he is right, evil takes over, on all of us - we are cowards, if we tolerate such a merde in power.
      2. Heterocapsa
        Heterocapsa 8 June 2018 13: 46
        0
        joke of the year petrosyanische just
    2. Svetlana
      Svetlana 7 June 2018 22: 08
      +6
      Quote: Heterocapsa
      hey xnumx percent of the voters? how do you like ok yes? the guarantor threw you stability.
      Beautifully, they threw the news after a straight line. Mine Goth I will run away from this country at the first opportunity.

      Your grandfather in 41 probably didn’t say that. Consider that 41 has come. This was to be expected back in 91.
  14. net0103net
    net0103net 7 June 2018 21: 20
    +16
    Incredible hypocrites !!! Come on, increase !!! Few weapons factories near Moscow? !! - They will open soon !!! Mediocrity, brakes, uneducated plebeians !!! ... Damn it !!! What they were waiting for was waiting !!! ... In the end, you got stupefied there !!! ...
    Obviously, the "formation" of the Russian economy has begun! ((((If it goes further this way, then, I believe, either the president and the team will retire much earlier and not at all on vacation, or the formation of the Russian economy will be met by some Chinese and Jews mixed up !!!! (((((( ((((((((((((((
  15. valik
    valik 7 June 2018 21: 20
    +7
    Once again we were deceived. Voted for Putin and HE said that there would be no increase So believe after that I had to vote for Zhilinovsky
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 7 June 2018 22: 19
      +12
      Quote: valik
      Once again we were deceived. Voted for Putin and HE said that there would be no increase So believe after that I had to vote for Zhilinovsky

    2. NordUral
      NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 35
      0
      Have you changed the swindler to a hitman swindler?
  16. Apollo
    Apollo 7 June 2018 21: 23
    +22
    "Pomnitsa" in the past presidential term, Putin more than once beat his heel in the chest assuring that while he is in the presidency, there will be no increase in the retirement age.

    Probably 70 percent of its voters are more than ever happy. But how many times have they been told, judge Putin not by words, but by deeds. The likelihood of a rapid increase in brain drain to the West is higher than ever.
    1. poquello
      poquello 7 June 2018 22: 34
      +3
      Quote: Apollo
      Putin repeatedly beat his heels in the chest assuring that while he is in the presidency, there will be no increase in the retirement age.

      Probably 70 percent of its voters are more than ever happy. But how many times have they been told, judge Putin not by words, but by deeds. The likelihood of a rapid increase in brain drain to the West is higher than ever.

      ett is not a brain drain, ett people will turn their ass to the state, very scary thing, sorry of course
  17. Miller
    Miller 7 June 2018 21: 26
    +5
    Now the pension is accrued by the number of pension points. I propose to establish the minimum number of points that must be achieved upon reaching retirement age (60 and 55 years, respectively). Scored by 60 years of minimum or more retire. No, work on, get points.
    1. net0103net
      net0103net 7 June 2018 22: 17
      +6
      You are completely down to the level of pig-Americans. How can a person's age be compared with points? With such simplifications begins the degradation of the nation and the collapse of the country! And he is already going and very playfully! Pension by points .... You’ve completely gone crazy, oh, and you’ll be bitter in old age! And there will be nowhere for you to be saved from points! So you will walk in tight-fitting Chinese jeans with a hole in the fly until all the sand spills out! Your time will come and you will envy the current homeless on the streets! ... Pension for points ... what a shame! ...
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 7 June 2018 23: 04
        +1
        This is not him, this government has fallen. Did you consult with him, with me? The State Duma on the sidelines tried and accepted.
        1. net0103net
          net0103net 7 June 2018 23: 11
          +1
          It's right. But another thing is terribly unnerving for me - the very comparison of scores with the age period of life, which inevitably enters into everyday life of communication! ... This is the right way to approve the substitution of concepts! ... And what a terrible substitution!
          In general, probably, it was necessary to write a separate comment, otherwise it really turns out to be a hackneyed topic.

          It would be nice to revive the history of the word "pension". After all, it appeared as a form of monetary allowance even under Peter the First, probably, as a gesture of recognition of dignity and the path traveled through life. A senior citizen was an honorary word. She (pension) was given mainly to the military. And only then it became a social good. And now, some kind of handout turns out, the dog bone is half-eaten.
        2. Svetlana
          Svetlana 7 June 2018 23: 20
          +12
          Quote: sabakina
          It's not him

          And he, as always, to do with it?
          From the book “Absurd Country”

          *
          I took my family to the West to rest.
          And my friend with a fool arranged an interview.
          He brought a army of correspondents to my hotel,
          And they ask everyone about Putin to tell them the truth.
          And what can I say, an ordinary citizen?
          I won’t give Putin away, because we have one.
          We are not sewn with bast! Then I decided to cheat
          And surprise the Western press with Russia.

          Here, I say, in Russia there is such a phenomenon:
          Our worker is shod; senior citizen - barefoot!
          And if you do not steal, you are doomed to poverty ...
          - "Well, what does Putin have to do with it?" - But Putin has nothing to do with it!
          He strictly punishes thieves and is implacable to them,
          He would go to the police, he would catch everyone!

          Even in Russia, our experiment:
          We have doctors that are dirty, but there is no medicine!
          We collect with the whole world to treat children
          In Israel, in Germany, where everything is okay with that.
          And the old people ... well, then ... everyone is doomed ...
          - "Well, what does Putin have to do with it?" - But Putin has nothing to do with it!
          He got a simulator for a disabled girl,
          He would have to go to the procurement - everyone would have a holiday!

          Even in Russia, our officials are full,
          And each of the officials is excellent shit,
          Everyone steals everywhere and is passionate about it ...
          - "Well, what does Putin have to do with it?" - But Putin has nothing to do with it!
          He fights corruption everywhere and everywhere.
          Where is the result, you ask? .. I will not tell you where.

          Even in our Russia, such a secret was revealed:
          We have priests everywhere, but no morality;
          And the stronger the religion, the weaker the moral.
          “Well, what does Putin have to do with it?” - I don’t know, at least kill me!
          Religion in law: only insult - prison!
          Science is in the pen. The result is darkness.

          We have full laws and it’s not a secret,
          That's just justice in Russia is not there.
          And no matter what, they come out through the backside.
          Here is a paradise for the powerful, and for the people - hell.
          People’s laws beat people like a scourge.
          - "Well, what does Putin have to do with it?" - But Putin has nothing to do with it!

          I still could not hold onto such a truth:
          In Russia there are wheels, but we have no roads!
          We do not know what with the asphalt, it melts like snow!
          “Well, what does Putin have to do with it?” - Oh, Putin is a man!
          Wherever he goes, roads are like glass!
          He would have to go on the road, so we would be lucky!

          And you, of course, understood another secret:
          We have an economy, but there are no products.
          There are forests, water and bowels, there are plenty in total in the country,
          That's just in the shops is one shit.
          There is no guest, no standard, one poison we eat.
          - "Well, what does Putin have to do with it?" - But Putin has nothing to do with it!
          1. net0103net
            net0103net 7 June 2018 23: 30
            +4
            Thanks, Svetlana. ) ... Dear editors, do not erase what is written on the floor above. Many people simply won’t understand you .. and that’s it ....
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 8 June 2018 05: 48
              +1
              Quote: net0103net
              Dear editors, do not erase what is written a floor above. Many people simply won’t understand you .. and that’s it ....

              I do not understand:
              - "Well, what does Putin have to do with it?" - But Putin has nothing to do with it!

              When you need to:
              - "Well, what does Putin have to do with it?" - And Putin nor moreover!

              Putin can tell you the whole truth
              Grandfather dashing in earflaps under the name "NasRat."
              He will tell and show what is and what is what,
              You just forward all the data to him.
              And depending on your successes, he
              You will throw a slap in the face or give a bow.
              - "Well, what does Putin have to do with it?" - And Putin has nothing to do with it!
              1. Svetlana
                Svetlana 8 June 2018 10: 10
                +1
                Quote: ROSS 42
                - "Well, what does Putin have to do with it?" - And Putin has nothing to do with it!

                Yes, you are right, but I kept the author's spelling. The main thing is that the meaning remains.
              2. net0103net
                net0103net 8 June 2018 11: 55
                0
                Links to grammatical and syntactic errors can be modestly drawn up).
    2. Dmitry Donskoy
      Dmitry Donskoy 7 June 2018 23: 15
      +3
      and you go pick them up if the official’s salary is in places below 14 thousand. you will gain a lot laughing 0 !! balls per year! check on the website of the FIU
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 37
      0
      You with these points get what the hell on retirement, for that you did them.
  18. Altona
    Altona 7 June 2018 21: 26
    +12
    Quote: NordUral
    I saw somewhere in VO a poster from the "Duma debate" on readings:
    The people should live well.
    The people must live.
    Adopted at the last reading:
    The people must!

    ------------------
    Please repeat for you again:
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 39
      0
      Guilty, namesake! Forgot the source, the old stump already!
  19. Livonetc
    Livonetc 7 June 2018 21: 29
    +1
    Quote: sabakina
    Sergey, it seems to me that under the current constitution, we have no rights, only responsibilities.

    People themselves voted for the constitution ....
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 7 June 2018 21: 46
      +7
      Quote: Livonetc
      People themselves voted for the constitution ....

      people themselves voted for Putin
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 8 June 2018 05: 59
        +2
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Livonetc
        People themselves voted for the constitution ....

        people themselves voted for Putin

        Are the Central Election Commission stuffing us with those voting data only? belay
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 41
          0
          They are eating impudent lies!
  20. Altona
    Altona 7 June 2018 21: 29
    +19
    Quote: Lars971A
    Although I always voted against. I hold leftist views, but my voice is a drop in the ocean. Therefore, I can say that I am glad for those who voted for edro and our president, especially for our women. All that remains for me is to submit to the majority.

    --------------------------------
    A straight line with Putin confirmed that the left is absolutely right. Besides hypocrisy and beautiful phrases, nothing.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 44
      0
      Why is it nothing - after all, he sits where he sits? And not much north that all this company has long earned.
  21. Ivan Tomato
    Ivan Tomato 7 June 2018 21: 30
    +16
    waited for the “breadwinner” for a new term. there is no conscience at all — the retirement age, then the gas price. I won’t be surprised yet by some tricks.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 46
      0
      About how many wonderful discoveries
      Prepare the spirit of enlightenment
      And the experience of the son of errors difficult,
      And genius, the paradoxes friend
      And the case, god is the inventor.
      1829
      A.S. Pushkin.
  22. Parade
    Parade 7 June 2018 21: 30
    +10
    The most interesting thing is that where most of the population after 50 and up to 65 look for work, the age is no longer quoted by the employer and what to live for, the government begets homeless people ???
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 48
      0
      This and the homeless are not needed, look at the root.
  23. yehat
    yehat 7 June 2018 21: 30
    +16
    this is not pension reform, this is the destruction of pensions in general.
    Return the money, scum, which for many years deducted from my salary!
    I will organize my own pension.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 48
      0
      Well, you impudent, right now, fled.
  24. New Year day
    New Year day 7 June 2018 21: 31
    +24
    I remember that one of Putin’s admirers, immediately after the election with foam at his mouth, urged me not to happen like that now the thieves will tremble with fear.
    It took a little bit and regret: new gas prices, a new retirement age, and much more new things Putin saved for his beloved electorate and unloved opponents. Well, wait ...
    But where are these ardent fans of GDP now?
    How do you like your new life?

    The conclusions from this fable are simple: one does not have to work for the state, but for oneself; the best pension is the one you earn yourself; the best bank is a three-liter one.
  25. Strips
    Strips 7 June 2018 21: 32
    +13
    This is another “gift” to those who loved to write that Russia's sanctions are good.
    There is no extra money in Russia since there is a lot of corruption that says a simple thing: there are sanctions, people will pay, oligarchs will be replaced by sanctions - people will pay.
    More recently, it was written that last year, for the first time, a pension fund, or rather its deficit was covered from the reserve fund, Crimea is also on subsidies - in 2019, federal transfers to the Crimean budget will amount to 143 billion rubles (with revenue of 181,4 billion rubles) , in 2020 - 150 billion rubles (with revenues of 190,4 billion rubles). Crimea is good, but it costs money, like other subsidized regions.

    Everything costs money and money must be taken from somewhere, and given the level of corruption, it is clear from whom to take money.

    Therefore, the one who said that sanctions for the benefit of little understands what is really happening - despite the fact that part of the production is being replaced, there is not enough money to make everyone happy both on the top and bottom, and at such times they usually take those below.
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 7 June 2018 22: 08
      +8
      Quote: Tiras
      This is another “gift” to those who loved to write that Russia's sanctions are good.


      naive citizens think that if there were no sanctions no one would raise the retirement age.
      The question of raising the retirement age was long ago resolved by the world government and, through the IMF, was dropped in the form of an order to all the central banks of the world. Where local ministries of economy took a canopy and put pressure on the authorities.
      The sanctions are because we refused to die like the Indians.
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 7 June 2018 22: 54
        +7
        Quote: lopvlad
        The sanctions are because we refused to die like the Indians.

        Now we’re going to die like Russians at work.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 51
      0
      Therefore, the one who said that sanctions for the benefit of little understands what is happening really

      Sanctions for the benefit would be under President Grudinin, but not at the same time ....!
  26. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 7 June 2018 21: 39
    +17
    To paraphrase a historical character from Germany:
    When I hear the word "reform" from our leaders from the anti-people government of the bourgeoisie, my arms reach out for an ax and pitchfork!
  27. alfa19638
    alfa19638 7 June 2018 21: 39
    +17
    anti-people’s power and utter silence - rest in silence!
    1. Giants
      Giants 7 June 2018 22: 02
      +15
      Quote: alfa19638
      anti-people power

      We do not have capitalism. We have real liberal fascism and Putin is his prophet. Look at the faces of Kudrin, Chubais and Gref. This is our future.
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  29. MstislavHrabr
    MstislavHrabr 7 June 2018 21: 41
    +14
    I wonder what the result of the parliamentary elections will be "United Russia". Although, a replacement has already been prepared ... I look forward to turning the Popular Front into a party (they are for Putin, but they are still not to blame for anything).
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 8 June 2018 06: 03
      +4
      As soon as instead of Zyuganov they choose another, strong-willed person, I’ll go and join the Communists ... what
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 8 June 2018 10: 15
        +1
        Quote: ROSS 42
        As soon as instead of Zyuganov they choose another, strong-willed person, I’ll go and join the Communists ... what

        With this power, they will not choose another; he arranges for power. It seems like there is a communist party, but it seems not.
  30. hump
    hump 7 June 2018 21: 46
    +15
    Nothing: gasoline, age, an increase in personal income tax up to 20% and 6% from salaries should be taken away additionally for retirement and here you are happy. The main thing that did not pass was to take away pensions from law enforcement agencies, although who knows what the government has completely conceived. And all the profits will be sent to the US economy, because they need to develop the economy. And you will not pickn. They themselves chose this power and it is us .....
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 56
      0
      Stop whining for us! This power with their own hands will dig a grave. They are now in euphoria from arrogantly stolen victory and stupidity to do a lot in their gluttony. And this means that such attacks on even the most naive heads will lead the people to mind. It is up to the active part of the people, the leaders, and we will be able to demolish these earcaps from the authorities and the country. Only will and reason are needed.
  31. kefan
    kefan 7 June 2018 21: 49
    +11
    That's all, now you can forget about retirement, especially to peasants, and the pension contributions will go to the state, in general, as always ...
  32. Chicha squad
    Chicha squad 7 June 2018 21: 54
    +2
    Only one thing is clear that you need to collect manat.
    1. Dmitry Donskoy
      Dmitry Donskoy 7 June 2018 23: 20
      +5
      It’s not necessary to collect mononets, but I’ll buy rush rush
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 57
      0
      Where to the next world? No, let "our" power collect the manat!
  33. Brigadier
    Brigadier 7 June 2018 21: 54
    +18
    Well, what are the guys? Have you chosen Putin?
    Now rejoice! But I had to think - who to choose for president!
    PERSONALLY I VOTED FOR GRUDININ, because I saw perfectly what is behind Putin !!!
    It's only the beginning...
    Among my acquaintances of pre-retirement age, those who voted for Putin now tear their hair out and shout with a cry - what for did they vote for him ?! But I told them, but they did not believe!
    But that's all ... It's too late! The train left, Putin came ... CRANTS !!!
  34. lopvlad
    lopvlad 7 June 2018 22: 00
    +10
    "I will pay a ruble a year. A hundred years, a hundred rubles. You will become a rich man"

    They decided the issue of pensions radically, like you have the potential right to a pension, but you really can’t live up to it. The government believes that a pension should come when a citizen is about to die on his deathbed, an option that a pension is a citizen’s right to an active well-deserved rest for his many years labor is not considered at all by anyone.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 8 June 2018 09: 59
      +1
      Enough of us whining, it's time to grow wiser and gain determination to fight for the future of children and grandchildren. Otherwise, children and grandchildren will curse us with help. And they will be right!
  35. Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 7 June 2018 22: 03
    +3
    Oh, trouble-trouble ... And, after all, this is not the first time such garbage: stuffing - a tantrum, a sketch - a terrible hysteria ... wassat wassat wassat As in a joke: and only the "authors" scoffed and continued to throw up "news from sources." So reflexes are honed. laughing
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 8 June 2018 10: 00
      +1
      And you have them completely atrophied, Alexander!
  36. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 7 June 2018 22: 07
    +6
    What can be expected from this?
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 7 June 2018 22: 57
      +3
      Quote: Old Fuck
      What can be expected from this?

      And from that - not this?
  37. bald
    bald 7 June 2018 22: 16
    +3
    All retirees at once get on the exchange, with the relevant documents - that he will master at the moment, there will be nothing to protect.
  38. Pavel Savelov
    Pavel Savelov 7 June 2018 22: 22
    +10
    In my opinion, immortals work in the government. Here at the factory you look constantly portraits of those who did not live to see at least 50
  39. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 7 June 2018 22: 23
    +3
    I could be wrong, but I drew attention to a “certain pattern”: after “communicating with the people”, GDP or LADIES, this same people receives in the form of a presentation some “changes for the better” (
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 7 June 2018 23: 12
      +3
      Already received a bun in the form of "until the fall, the price of gasoline will not change." And then? Soup with a cat ....
  40. RainTNT
    RainTNT 7 June 2018 22: 25
    +8
    7 October Vladimir Vladimirovich can be sent to retire. 65 years. By his own example, he will show how easy it is to live up to retirement age and continue to work.
    1. Karenius
      Karenius 7 June 2018 22: 29
      +5
      Quote: RainTNT
      7 October Vladimir Vladimirovich can be sent to retire. 65 years. By his own example, he will show how easy it is to live up to retirement age and continue to work.

      You just don’t tell him about it when the time comes ... Otherwise, the situation will repeat itself as in the movie "Old robbers" ... :)
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 7 June 2018 23: 17
        +1
        Yes, it is better to Sotheby's robbing than the population!
    2. Svetlana
      Svetlana 7 June 2018 23: 00
      +2
      Quote: RainTNT
      7 October Vladimir Vladimirovich can be sent to retire. 65 years. By his own example, he will show how easy it is to live up to retirement age and continue to work.

      He has been dripping his pension somewhere for a long time, only he does not know where and how much, he does not receive it, nor does his salary.
    3. Vlvl
      Vlvl 8 June 2018 00: 17
      +1
      If I received the same medical care and salary, I would also love to work after retirement.
  41. Fenix 2.0
    Fenix 2.0 7 June 2018 22: 46
    +7
    Well then, even if, together with the law on raising the retirement age, they legalize euthanasia, or else they can’t do it yourself and then, where the promised 25 million high-tech jobs promised by the guarantor, and in response to silence, in short divorced us like rabbits, soon the last skin they’ll take it off, it’s not a tricky business, you don’t need a lot of mind; I tried to watch today's action, turned it off after a couple of minutes and thought, but we honestly don’t know how to live with such rulers, and there’s no reason to.
  42. Million
    Million 7 June 2018 22: 51
    +11
    But not so long ago he said that they would not raise the retirement age. He lied, as always ...
  43. yehat
    yehat 7 June 2018 22: 56
    +19
    The head of Russian Railways receives one and a half million a day. This is a state-owned company. But there is no money in retirement.
    The greed of lobbying groups, which saw gesheft with cuts in social programs, speculating inside the low exchange rate of the ruble, monopoly prices and other things, has already created all the necessary conditions for a revolutionary situation.
    The absurd movements of the central bank, the burning of pension assets in the USA, etc.
    Enough to bring a match. And at this moment, the government is discussing the law, according to which half of the male population will not live up to retirement. At the same time, they have passed the law on police, the national punitive guard has sharply increased, which sharply increases the repressive capabilities of the rich minority in the country and makes ordinary hard workers absolutely defenseless - they can no longer turn to the police for self-defense, they cannot win a court (no money), they don’t I can borrow money (unrealistically expensive). The political representation of the interests of ordinary citizens after the recent election, it is obvious that it is completely blocked by lobbyists. People were deprived of their standard of living, pensions, the right to self-defense and to express their political demands. What else needs to be done to start a riot ???
    Oh yes, there’s more to come - zones of advanced robbery of the Far East are organized,
    a state corporation has been created that has the rights to anything in the Far East, including the repression of those who live there (read the authority). The robbery of the country's resources is gaining new momentum.

    I would like to recall with sarcasm Putin’s words: “Do you understand what you’ve done?” A real rebellion will soon begin.

    Now abscesses remain on the borders of the Russian Federation - Donbass, aggravation with NATO, Crimea - an imitation of an external threat, so as to rally around, as Yeltsin once held an unresolved situation in Chechnya as an excuse for everything. This has already passed! Many have not forgotten how they manipulated us.

    What awaits us in the next 5 years, I see in very gloomy colors.
  44. Efrem mutny
    Efrem mutny 7 June 2018 22: 59
    +2
    RBC often tries to bring confusion to society. There was no official statement ... We did not have enough current for the uprising of retirees ... And so, of course, it would be absolutely not respectable for people who had worked for their whole lives, and there would be little use for the economy, so mocking people and introducing instability ... am
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 7 June 2018 23: 28
      +3
      Quote: Efrem Mutny
      RBC often tries to bring confusion to society. There was no official statement ...

      Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a law by which the retirement age of civil servants will increase from 55 years for women and 60 years for men to 63 and 65 years, respectively. The document was published on May 23 on the official Internet portal of legal information and is expected to enter into force on January 1, 2017.
      https://rg.ru/2016/05/23/putin-podpisal-zakon-o-p
      ovyshenii-pensionnogo-vozrasta-gossluzhashchih.ht
      ml

      And according to article 19 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation - Everyone is equal before the law.
      Now we are all called equal.
  45. Fenix 2.0
    Fenix 2.0 7 June 2018 23: 02
    +12
    Oh, and by the way, where are all the VOSHNY patriots and Putiners a la Sashenka Romanov and a company that you can’t hear or see, and our Israeli “diaspora”, like a sluggish response, is a mess. There infa passed that the government is preparing a series of unpopular measures, so raising the retirement age, not yet an evening, the berries are yet to come. We are waiting. Hope is the only one
    that we cannot be taken away by any laws, well, except life, of course.
    1. yehat
      yehat 8 June 2018 14: 07
      0
      on the way - a change in taxes upwards - primarily a package of social contributions. I remind you that already the aggregate payroll tax
      13% PIT + 22% PFR + 5.1% medical insurance + 2.9% social insurance. in total it turns out 43%
      Somewhere I can make a little mistake - the percentages change regularly.
      But this is not all, enterprises often form a payroll fund, having paid a number of taxes and obligations
      and often indirect payments still make up a 20-30 decrease in the RFP fund.%.
      the project of increasing VAT is already being discussed in the government, which makes the population more expensive by about 5-10% .. At the same time, bank lending rates are prohibitive and often the population, deprived of sane mechanisms for maintaining savings, is forced to maneuver through loans, which is another 30- 50% reduces their cash.

      for comparison, in other countries.
      take depressive Japan, which has a very high public debt, the industry has significantly degraded, Fukushima happened, similar to us demography and a number of other troubles

      they have a progressive scale in which the poor pay 5% and the well-to-do between 20 and 33%.
      this is 13 percent less in tin itself than EVERYONE pays.

      Germany. It is believed that there are large taxes. So there is the usual tax rate of 25%.
      At the same time, the tax-free minimum is not miserable 300-1000 rubles, but for a family about 12 thousand euros.

      It turns out that our population pays monstrous taxes and often does not get anything in return, and the bureaucrats also run over - like they are forced to engage in subsidies.

      I will take me. I haven’t been to the clinic for a long time - except for rudeness and loss of time and money I can’t get anything there. The hospital received the last time 7 years ago - he sat the patient in the queue for 12 hours. Forced to be treated exclusively at his own expense on time off.
      I probably will not live up to retirement either. Social programs spend zero on me.
      The question is - why do I pay half my income all my life ???
  46. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 7 June 2018 23: 09
    +3
    Pensioners must be disposed of.
  47. Fenix 2.0
    Fenix 2.0 7 June 2018 23: 12
    +7
    Quote: Million
    But not so long ago he said that they would not raise the retirement age. He lied, as always ...

    Well, you, as you can, the presidents do not lie, they simply do not understand correctly (bitter sarcasm), he cares about our welfare, every day and every hour (very bitter sarcasm), so that we would quickly glue the fins from such care, and then "Public domain", which Gazprom, urgently needs to be helped, the shonevmerliks ​​started to get into trouble, squeeze the money!
  48. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 7 June 2018 23: 18
    +7
    And what? Store in a trough - this is normal! Bravo to Kudrin, Medvedev! Well, the rest too. And now they’ll take away the trough.
    "" Burying each other in the trough ": In the Oryol region, pensioners appeal to the authorities
    19-01-2018, 14:12
    Residents of the village of Sevryukovo, Mtsensk district, Oryol region, sound the alarm and call for the help of top-level officials, since they can no longer live in conditions of complete lack of infrastructure and inaccessibility to the benefits of civilization. According to the villagers, even to bury the dead, they use a wooden trough in which they manually pull the body to the cemetery off-road. "
    1. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 8 June 2018 11: 50
      0
      Interesting types. I like our grannies more well-groomed Westerners individuals.
  49. Declarant
    Declarant 7 June 2018 23: 23
    +12
    Kapets. In 2014, after a heart attack, the doctor told me, don’t worry, you will stretch 8 years. Four held out. This year, the group was removed and the retirement age will be increased. It's a shame that I won’t see pensions. Something disgusting. sad
    1. Oleg_2
      Oleg_2 8 June 2018 01: 04
      +9
      I also can’t see pensions ... heart arthritis was tortured. It is a pity that 38 years worked in one place, I would have known before what would happen ... I would have been absent for months. And then, at work I was jokingly nicknamed Oleg Korchagin.
    2. KABUL-33
      KABUL-33 8 June 2018 07: 33
      +3
      Quote: Declarant
      Kapets. In 2014, after a heart attack, the doctor told me, don’t worry, you will stretch 8 years. Four held out. This year, the group was removed and the retirement age will be increased. It's a shame that I won’t see pensions. Something disgusting. sad

      You are not the only one, now the age of the infartniks has sharply grown younger .. Disability is removed immediately (it got a little boiled up))) And the engine is already set and every day like the last .. And you work anyway!
      Myocardial disease is noble! Worse if some kind of cancer, etc. Mumble yourself before you give the ends .. So rejoice and keep your tail with a gun !!!!
  50. tochila
    tochila 7 June 2018 23: 54
    +8
    Medvedev's government resigned !!!!
    1. I am Russian
      I am Russian 8 June 2018 09: 00
      +5
      Putin must be resigned, Medvedev is just the executor of his will and views.
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 8 June 2018 10: 19
        +3
        Quote: I am Russian
        Putin must be resigned, Medvedev is just the executor of his will and views.

        Both that, and another is necessary - it would be high time for a long time.