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Cargo armored car "Typhoon" from the Kama Automobile Plant

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In early May, Astana hosted an exhibition of military-technical equipment KADEX-2012. Among other new products, the KAMAZ plant attracted special attention of the public. According to the established tradition, the Kamsky Automobile Plant presented both civil and military equipment. And the most attention of the public was attracted by the car, which represents the second category. The fact is that at the KADEX-2012 salon, the general public for the first time was able to see with their own eyes the new development of KAMAZ, about which there were so many conversations - KAMAZ-63968 “Typhoon”.




History This project dates back to the 2009 year. Then the Military Scientific Committee of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces issued a document titled "The concept of the development of military motor vehicles of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation for the period up to 2020 year." According to this concept, the further development of cars for the army was to go on a modular scheme. The implication was that in the very near future, several promising wheeled platforms would be created on which any target equipment could be mounted. At the very beginning of the next 2010, the Minister of Defense, A. Serdyukov, approved the “Concept” and the “Typhoon” program was soon launched. During the program, it was required to create a new generation of trucks for the armed forces with anti-bullet and mine protection for the crew, cargo, as well as the main components and assemblies. The Ural and KAMAZ automobile plants were selected as participants of the program.

In fact, the Typhoon program is a further development of the Garage program, which, according to some reports, was launched almost at the end of the eighties. The goal of the Garage was to create a unified cargo wheeled platform that could be launched into production at the Urals and at KAMAZ at the same time. Obviously, the nineties of the last century was far from the best time to create such projects, so the Garage sunk into oblivion, leaving almost no public information about itself. Nevertheless, the army demanded a truck, and the “by-products” of the “Garage” theme, the Mustang and Motocars of KAMAZ and Ural, respectively, proved useful. Ordering the machines of these families helped to close the issue of a promising army truck for a while. But only for a while, because the main task of the Garage program - the unification of automobiles produced by two plants - was never achieved.



According to the original terms of reference for the Typhoon program, the projects of the participating automotive plants should have been based on the same engine (YMZ-536), the same transmission, a single on-board information management system (BIUS), anti-bullet and mine protection not lower than third grade STANAG 4569 standard. But the main requirement concerned the possibility of creating on the basis of a single chassis a whole family of vehicles for various purposes. First of all, on the basis of the armored "Typhoon" it was necessary to create two versions of trucks: with an armored cabin for the transport of personnel and with an open platform for cargo. It was also necessary to provide for the possibility of assembling and operating "Typhoon" without armored parts. In this case, they could become the basis for those types of equipment that, during their work, almost no risk of being blown up or fired - radar, carriers of unmanned aerial vehicles, etc.

When developing requirements for the protection of new cars, the Russian military took into account the foreign experience of operating vehicles in recent military conflicts. Thus, the peculiarities of waging war in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq clearly showed the need to strengthen the protection of vehicles of troops. Moreover, it is necessary not only to strengthen the booking of aircraft’s sides, but also to protect their bottom in order to avoid the serious consequences of the explosion of improvised explosive devices, which are widespread in conflicts involving irregular armed formations. For these purposes, armored cars began to equip the bottom of the V-shaped: inclined armor plates redirect a significant part of the explosion energy and fragments to the sides, which significantly reduces the impact of mines on the internal units of the vehicle and crew. Over time, cars with such a bottom were even allocated to a separate class called MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected — protected from mines and ambushes). Domestic experience of conflicts in the North Caucasus only confirmed the expediency of foreign proposals. Therefore, the topic "Typhoon" can be considered a full response to foreign MRAP.

Cargo armored car "Typhoon" from the Kama Automobile Plant


In 2010, the active phase of the Typhoon program began. As already mentioned, the Ural and KAMAZ plants were involved as lead developers of competitive machines, and several enterprises and scientific institutions were invited to the program. In particular, MSTU. Bauman was engaged in the development of a hydropneumatic suspension, and the Sarovsky nuclear center was charged with calculating the protection of the armored hull. About these moments of the design is worth to tell more. Hydropneumatic independent suspension system allows you to change its parameters literally on the go. To do this, the driver has a special remote control, from which it is possible, for example, to change the ground clearance within 400 mm. In addition, the pneumatic system provides automatic tire inflation depending on the pressure from one to 4,5 atmospheres chosen by the driver. The “Typhoon” reservation was made at the Scientific and Research Institute of Steel and is based on special ceramics. According to representatives of the institute, ceramic armor with equal characteristics weighs significantly less than steel. Work to ensure the protection of the car from mines in our country for the first time, and we still do not have the corresponding standard for classifying explosions under the bottom. Therefore, the Research Institute of Steel and the plants participating in the program were forced to use the NATO classification provided by the STANAG 4569 standard. As a result of this “borrowing”, prototypes of booking for promising cars meet the level of protection 3b - 8 kilogram of TNT under any part of the bottom. Naturally, the truck in this case will receive very, very serious damage, but the crew will remain alive. With regard to the requirements for protection from bullets, the cabin and the armored module for the transport of personnel on 16 people from all angles withstand hit 14,5-mm armor-piercing bullet machine gun KPV from a distance of at least 200 meters, which corresponds to 4 level STANAG 4569.

Being “assembled” by the engineers and workers of KAMAZ, all these innovations and elements are as follows. The “Typhoon” with the KAMAZ-63968 index, presented at KADEX-2012, is a bonnetless truck with the wheel formula 6х6, which is classic for the Kama Automobile Plant. The six-cylinder YMZ-5367 diesel horsepower 450 transmits the force to a six-speed gearbox and a two-stage “razdatku”, which, in turn, ensure the work of planetary gearboxes on all axles. All differentials have automatic locking, and braking is performed using disc brakes that interact with the anti-skid and anti-lock systems. All KAMAZ-63968 wheels have special tires with anti-explosion inserts.



A large number of parameters that need to be constantly regulated required the introduction of a specialized onboard information management system into the composition of the Typhoon equipment. Her responsibilities include monitoring the status of systems and the presence of problems, calculating the necessary clearance, suspension mode, etc. For this, the CICS takes the parameters from a variety of sensors and, taking into account the speed, roll, inclination of the road, etc., issues the appropriate commands to the truck systems. In addition, in the future, KAMAZ-63968 may be equipped with satellite navigation and communication systems of any available type.

The layout of the Typhoon modular vehicle developed by the KAMAZ plant was presented to the country's leadership at the end of October 2010. At about the same time, active work began on “adapting” the existing project to other program requirements, namely the creation of wheeled platforms with the formulas 4 x4 and 8 x8 with a load capacity of 2 and 8 tons, respectively. As for the chassis 6х6, it should have a carrying capacity of about four tons. As a result, before the end of work on the Typhoon program, KAMAZ must create a whole family of trucks. It is interesting that due to the unification requirements, the high load on the front axle and the peculiarities of the multi-axle structures, all KAMAZ “Typhoon” variants have two rotary axes. At the same time, last year information appeared about a possible rejection of the development of a two-axle truck variant. The reasons were all the same facts that served as the basis for equipping the “Tayfunov” with two controlled axes. However, this option managed to get the factory index. At the moment, the list of “Typhoon” variants created by KAMAZ looks like this:
- KAMAZ-5388. Chassis with wheel formula 4х4. Designed for installation of the onboard body, cranes, multi lifts and other equipment that does not require protection;
- KAMAZ-53888. The same "5388", but with armor installed;
- KAMAZ-6396. Three-axle chassis, not intended for mounting armor;
- KAMAZ-63968. Armored version of the previous modification;
- KAMAZ-6398. Further development of KAMAZ-6396, but with four axes;
- KAMAZ-63988. Armored version of "6398".

It is argued that the unification of machines of various modifications reaches 86%, which in the future will improve the economic side of the production of machines. At present, the KAMAZ Typhoon prototypes are being tested and refined. Soon, comparative tests will be launched, during which the Kama Typhoon will compete with a competitor of the Ural plant. According to their results, the Ministry of Defense will select the most suitable vehicle that will be launched in the series.

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  1. Tiberium
    Tiberium 11 May 2012 09: 02
    +14
    KAMAZ does not produce bad products. It is a fact.
    1. 755962
      755962 11 May 2012 10: 40
      +3
      Technologies tested in sports models of KAMAZ say the same about something. KAMAZ-CHAMPION "DAKARA"
      What is it, truck number 1 in the world of rally raids? The fate of all the second is to swallow other people's dust. And there are only two ways to avoid it: hopelessly lag behind and finish when the dust behind the leader and the foam of victorious champagne have settled down, or ... come first. That's the way it is with military versions! Machine beast. Forgive men, that’s off topic .
      Rally "Dakar-2011" ended on Saturday in Argentina, in the category "trucks" there was no equal to the riders of the team "KamAZ-master" from Russia, for the tenth time the winners of the most prestigious races in the world, the organizers of the competition said. In the current raid, the Russians were able to retain the lead at 8 out of 13 stages. The Russian pilot of the KamAZ-master team Vladimir Chagin won the 2011 Dakar and became a seven-time rally champion.
      1. Gur
        Gur 11 May 2012 12: 10
        +10
        In that KAMAZ that participates in Dakar ... there is little that is native, a hodgepodge of different parts from different brands.
        1. 755962
          755962 11 May 2012 12: 22
          +1
          Quote: GUR
          In that KAMAZ that participates in Dakar ... there is little that there is a native,

          NAME! Thundered all over the world! Not enough?
          1. Svistoplyaskov
            Svistoplyaskov 11 May 2012 14: 53
            +2
            Yes, there is not much of its own in sports KAMAZ, but Typhoon can still be used in a rally as an escort car, a technical equipment. This is a very good advertising move.
            For example, Renault does it with its Sherpa.
        2. Fidain
          Fidain 11 May 2012 23: 29
          0
          Ne vazhno KAMAZ ili MERSEDES, yesli soberali mashinu s sovestyu to budet sluzhit veroi i pravdoi.A mashini taki nuzhni vsem a Rasii tem bole
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 12 May 2012 23: 03
        +1
        Kamaz look impressive !!
        and I agree the NAME is, the brand is the same !!
    2. Civil
      Civil 11 May 2012 12: 05
      0
      something did not make out V shaped bottom what ... strange
      1. Passing
        Passing 11 May 2012 15: 40
        0
        A V-shaped bottom is not necessary at all, it certainly helps a little, but not at all the main element of explosion resistance. It was the media that made him the main sign of MRI. But in reality, the spaced bottom with the highest characteristics of the energy absorption of the blast wave is much more important.
        1. nitro
          nitro 11 May 2012 21: 09
          0
          Passing,
          don't talk nonsense. Take an interest in production technologies in South Africa, maybe they will teach you something lol Take aside, but do not take everything on yourself! The experience has already been gained enormous in civilized countries, and you are inventing a bicycle while soldiers on high explosives are torn
          1. zadorin1974
            zadorin1974 11 May 2012 22: 17
            0
            listen, special - this is the thing — your Mercier’s aren’t kindred — after the onboard Urals, in the first it’s just a starship — for us (cannon fodder) we’ve already begun to think — and if South Africa is a civilization for you, I’m glad for you
            1. nitro
              nitro 12 May 2012 10: 03
              0
              adorin1974,
              listen better - we all have a lot to learn from South Africa, especially on the topics: organization and combat work of special forces, long-range artillery and especially MRAPS, they mastered these directions back in the 80s of the last century! But in Russia, the work to protect their fighters from gangster IEDs is sluggish and without enthusiasm. But the officials did not forget to cover their thick asses with armored Mercedeses! yes I am no less happy for you and especially for your semi-knowledge laughing
              1. zadorin1974
                zadorin1974 12 May 2012 23: 40
                +1
                maybe I didn’t fight in the semi-knowledge of South Africa under those conditions, well, I also agree with them, it’s not just sluggish but also criminal, I’ve noticed a huge breakthrough over the last 5 years, but about South Africa and civilization 20 years ago something was still complete ass -and Angola and generally in Africa -A friend of mine flies there, by the way the car compared to the English masterpiece is just a starship (even compared to the URAL-THING)
          2. Passing
            Passing 11 May 2012 22: 18
            +1
            Quote: nitro
            don't talk bullshit

            Talk nonsense ... Take aside speak ... You generally do not correctly represent the essence of protection against a blast wave.
            For starters, for independent, independent of the stamps imposed by the magazines, pondering - at Lynx the absence of a bevel bottom does not hinder to keep 6 kg under it.

            MRAPs of the first generation really had such a bottom, blindly following the precepts of the founders of the genre from South Africa, that the main effect is supposedly given by the V-shape, which supposedly "reflects" the shock wave.
            The ideology of MRAP South Africa:

            But the next generation, calculated and optimized by competent engineers, no longer has a V-shaped bottom. It has rather the shape of a trapezoid, or generally a polyhedron. This polyhedron is dictated by the higher crush strength of the structure, i.e. a large flat surface is more easily crushed than the same area, but faceted, and plus they remove, purely geometrically, the angles hanging over the wheels about which the shock wave "beats". So we will leave the tales about the miraculous and salutary reflection of the blast wave for not too competent specialists from South Africa or illiterate journalists, the primary is actually the strength and rigidity of the structure (due to the optimal sectional shape and due to the multilayer walls), the energy-absorbing structure (the same multilayer walls that are "crumpled" and thus absorb the energy of the explosion), an increase in ground clearance, or even the removal of the point of detonation beyond the dimensions of the body (removal of the wheels from the dimensions of the body), but it is simply not correct to talk about a mythical reflection, because the true meaning is not in "reflection", and in the elementary geometric freeing up of space for a freer "exit" of the blast wave, plus in the purely geometric distance of a part of the armor from the point of explosion, due to the "cutting" of the corners.
            In general, the theoretical ideal is not even a polyhedron, it is a sphere / tube. Basic laws of sopromat.
            MCI of Europe and America:




            1. nitro
              nitro 12 May 2012 10: 07
              +2
              Passing,
              I have about a hundred of similar photos myself and I am guided in my answers to this question by articles - the originals of the American and South African developers of MDIs who know the question not by hearsay. Only yes
              1. Passing
                Passing 12 May 2012 15: 06
                +1
                I don’t know what kind of articles you collect, probably from newspapers like The New York Post and The Sun. At least about "set aside" it looks like a gum for housewives, something like that Stealth is a technology of invisibility of aircraft, and Aejis is a technology of missile defense. Those. looks like an illiterate nonsense, distorting the essence in the most bizarre way.
                Let's do it easier, here's my thesis on the essence of the techniques used in the MRI, as I understand them, and you will criticize with extracts from your articles:
                1) Armored capsule shape optimized for crush resistance. Ideal - sphere / tube
                2) Multilayer walls, providing for undermining:
                a) Absorption of explosion energy by the deformation of external structural elements.
                b) Maintaining the internal geometry of the body within acceptable limits.
                c) Preservation of the tightness of the internal space. Those. the exclusion of breaks and breaks in the inner walls.
                3) The maximum removal of the armored capsule from the point of detonation to reduce the front pressure of a suitable shock wave, using:
                a) The removal of the point of detonation of the contact mine for the dimensions of the armored capsule. That is, the track is wider than the armored capsule, the axes are located outside the dimensions of the armored capsule.
                b) Increase ground clearance.
                c) Optimization of the shape of the armored capsule for maximum distance from the point of undermining the maximum area of ​​the armored capsule. Those. "cutting corners". Ideal - cone / V-shaped bottom.
                4) Optimization of the shape of the bottom with the aim of the maximum free exit of the explosion products from under it. The ideal is a cone / V-shaped bottom.
                5) "Aerodynamic" section of the body for the purpose of:
                a) the maximum irrotational flow around the explosion products.
                b) the exception of creating zones of concentration reflected from the body of the blast wave on the surface of the armored capsule. That is, for example, wheeled niches either should not exist at all, or they should be easily destructible, or they should be moved outside the armored capsule.
                For a blast case strictly in the center of the bottom, the ideal is a V-shaped profile. For all other cases, the ideal is sphere / tube.

                Note that only the removal of wheels and axles outside the armored capsule can be attributed to "set aside". And then, it is rather a figurative allegory. In the physical plane, not "take aside", but rather "take away", for there is no question of reflection. And with the mythical saving "reflection" of the explosion V-shaped bottom, I hope we have already figured out.
                1. Passing
                  Passing 12 May 2012 15: 55
                  0
                  In my first post I will explain again:
                  I believe that it is strength and energy-absorbing structure that make the main contribution to mine resistance. Everything else just complements. Where did I get this from?
                  First, look at the cross-section of the armored capsules of the western MRAPs - this is either a trapezoid or a polyhedron, i.e. actually evolves to a "pipe". And the main advantage of such a section is precisely the maximum resistance to crushing.
                  Second, look at the photo of the Lynx, in it, of all the many tricks, only multilayer energy-absorbing walls / bottom are used (crushing resistance is increased by strut pipes in the cabin), high ground clearance and the removal of wheels / axles beyond the armored capsule. And this is enough for excellent explosion resistance for such an armored car weight.
                  I’ll clarify again: the V-shaped bottom is certainly better than a flat one, but the difference is not dramatic. The main thing is not V-shape, the main thing is durability and energy absorption.
                2. mihos ve
                  mihos ve 12 May 2012 18: 55
                  0
                  why do you argue gentlemen? the cone is still closer to the sphere than the flat bottom !!!!
                3. vecher
                  vecher 12 May 2012 20: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Passing by
                  1) Armored capsule shape optimized for crush resistance. Ideal - sphere / tube

                  Quote: Passing by
                  c) Optimization of the shape of the armored capsule for maximum distance from the point of undermining the maximum area of ​​the armored capsule. Those. "cutting corners". Ideal - cone / V-shaped bottom.

                  So which of the ideals is more ideal?
                  And how is it with evidence of the ideal pipe crumple? What is your evidence?
                  1. Passing
                    Passing 13 May 2012 01: 57
                    0
                    Quote: vecher
                    So which of the ideals is more ideal?

                    For each case is different. The first most important thing, the second brings much less to explosion resistance, therefore it is more profitable to round the V-shaped profile to the pipe (or, as in reality, to the polyhedron)
                    Quote: vecher
                    And how is it with evidence of the ideal pipe crumple? What is your evidence?

                    Laziness formulas are too lazy to look for, but this is already obvious in my opinion, look at the cross section of the solid submarine hull, it is not square, not triangular, namely round. Well, yes, the pressure on the submarine’s hull is uniform, but concentrated during the explosion, but it doesn’t change anything in essence.
                    1. vecher
                      vecher 13 May 2012 11: 05
                      0
                      Quote: Passing by
                      For each case is different. The first most important thing, the second brings much less to explosion resistance, therefore it is more profitable to round the V-shaped profile to the pipe (or, as in reality, to the polyhedron)

                      You are clearly simplifying with reality. Because there are examples, and they say the opposite. Here are the South Africans who made their MRI high to have incl. good view in the shroud. It also made it possible to fully realize the mine action design, i.e. make the bottom higher, and give it an explosion-proof shape. And this resulted in a V-shaped profile. American MRIs were done in a hurry, based on civilian cars, it wasn’t up to the rules. In addition, to improve stability, they made the body lower, which forced to leave its V-shape. To compensate for the loss of mine protection, different containers were placed on the bottom of the body, for example, tanks. Which took over part of the energy of the explosion.
                      In addition, there are layout requirements. Which determine the shape of the body. And the pipe would be one of the optimal forms, with this. But however, it is not used, which leads to thoughts.
                      Quote: Passing by
                      Laziness formulas are too lazy to look for, but this is already obvious in my opinion, look at the cross section of the solid submarine hull, it is not square, not triangular, namely round. Well, yes, the pressure on the submarine’s hull is uniform, but concentrated during the explosion, but it doesn’t change anything in essence.

                      I'm too lazy to look for formulas, so I asked. But it’s clear that you just have faith in this case. However, the fact that the round cases of the MCIs do not speak against your faith.
                      In my opinion, there is a simple answer - any stiffener improves the rigidity of the structure in its plane. Therefore, the polygon will always be stiffer than the cylinder.
                      1. Passing
                        Passing 13 May 2012 14: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: vecher
                        American MRIs did in a hurry

                        In a hurry, not in a hurry, and here is a typical South African who was adopted by the USA:
                        RG-31, developed by South Africa + BAE Systems, is used by the USA in Afghanistan.
                        The curb weight is 17 tons, 7 kg under the bottom.

                        The latest French Aravis developed independently.
                        The curb weight is 12,5 tons, 10 kg under the bottom.

                        Does not suggest, due to what a huge difference? IMHO due to the energy-absorbing bottom. And the V-shaped just dropped for the sake of this very energy-absorbing bottom.
                        Quote: vecher
                        But it’s clear that you just have faith in this case.

                        I do not have faith, but knowledge hollowed into the subcortex by heartless teachers, but so many years have passed ... winked
                        There is no way to get rid of one formula. however the finite element method for thin-walled structures would have to be used.
                        Quote: vecher
                        However, the fact that the round cases of the MCIs do not speak against your faith.

                        Round, in the sense of the earth, the polyhedron can be considered a circle in the first approximation. Because it’s an order of magnitude more technological, and therefore cheaper. And it is the shape of the polyhedron that some bottoms have. See photos of several posts above.
                        Quote: vecher
                        In my opinion, there is a simple answer - any stiffener improves the rigidity of the structure in its plane. Therefore, the polygon will always be stiffer than the cylinder.

                        I don’t quite understand, do you mean that edges play the role of stiffeners? Well, in this sense, yes, only the pipe is in this case the ultimate option for increasing the number of faces. Therefore, the pipe is always stiffer than a multifaceted box. It may be that at some, read and strictly defined angles, the multifaceted box can and will be tougher (but something I doubt), but at all other angles the pipe definitely wins.
    3. Antipin
      Antipin 11 May 2012 18: 33
      -1
      Quite rightly noticed.
    4. radikdan79
      radikdan79 11 May 2012 19: 00
      +1
      I apologize for arrogance, but I dare not agree.
      for the army, yes. I know not by hearsay. being a serviceman of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and besides, also a driver, he served in one of the military units of Ukraine. and in the warehouses of the hardware I saw with my own eyes the spare parts kits for KAMAZ trucks (where, for example, the set of pistons for the engine had a take-off in weight for a specific piston from the set of no more than 10 grams (judging by the technical documentation for this set). and to reliability the KAMAZ trucks themselves had no complaints, but after serving in civilian life, I faced completely opposite statements (and not groundless) about KAMAZ ... so everything remained as in the old days - the best for the army, the rest are as lucky
  2. Turanchops
    Turanchops 11 May 2012 09: 04
    +4
    Interesting cars, URAL is certainly a THING, but booking armored vehicles currently in the army leaves much to be desired. If in 2014 they are served in parts - then excellent smile
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 11 May 2012 09: 29
      +1
      parts of them will be seen no earlier than 15-16 years before this VI
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 11 May 2012 10: 35
        +6
        Well, they’ll probably go to special units today or tomorrow, there’s an urgent need for capacious armored cars there.
  3. ANTURAG
    ANTURAG 11 May 2012 09: 19
    +5
    Serious car good
  4. awg75
    awg75 11 May 2012 09: 40
    +5
    in my opinion a very serious unit
  5. Redpartyzan
    Redpartyzan 11 May 2012 09: 55
    +4
    In terms of security, even the BTR is superior! A good car is waiting for adoption. Hurry to see what the Urals show.
    1. Tjumenec72
      Tjumenec72 11 May 2012 18: 48
      0
      And what is this "Typhoon" bad)
      1. Tjumenec72
        Tjumenec72 11 May 2012 18: 59
        +2
        The Urals, due to the location of the engine, are preferable as MRI.
        Kamaz as an armored unified family of vehicles (again, based on the lineup) IMHO
  6. Vital 33
    Vital 33 11 May 2012 09: 58
    +3
    But it was impossible to make the boards inclined? This thing the size of a railway carriage, and even sides, is a grenade launcher's dream ...
    1. Manager
      Manager 11 May 2012 10: 27
      .
      I think on A4 and RPG he does not care with such armor!
      1. Vital 33
        Vital 33 11 May 2012 10: 34
        +2
        "As for the requirements for protection against bullets, the cockpit and the armored module for transporting personnel for 16 people from all angles can withstand the hit of a 14,5-mm armor-piercing bullet from the KPV machine gun from a distance of at least 200 meters, which corresponds to level 4 STANAG 4569."

        The indicator is not bad, but in an ambush it is unlikely that there will be a CPV, but there is more than one RPG, but it will definitely ... But it will pierce it right through ...
        1. Eugene
          Eugene 11 May 2012 13: 39
          +4
          What RPG ?! Ah! This is a MRAP car, do you want to mount a wheeled composite armor and dynamic protection on it? It will have a masa more than a tank, and the price is almost like a tank. At best, a special anti-cumulative grid and Kevlar will be hung from outside.
          1. luiswoo
            luiswoo 12 May 2012 00: 44
            0
            Quote: Eugene
            At best, a special anti-cumulative grid and Kevlar will be hung from outside.

            Well, why, you can install something like "Arena", if it comes down to weight - the only question is the price.
            and the price is almost like a tank

            Qualified "content", in theory, is more expensive than a tank.
        2. Passing
          Passing 11 May 2012 16: 01
          0
          Quote: Vital 33
          but RPG and not one, it will be unambiguous ... But he will break through it right through ...

          In a cumulative grenade, the main danger is not the cumulative jet itself, but secondary factors - the detonation of ammunition, ignition of fuel, leakage of a shock wave through a hole, and chipped armor from the inside. There are no powerful ammunition and fuel inside the Typhoon, there will be no armor breaks either (reservation is spaced), inside the cabin is covered with anti-shatter lining. Therefore, if a stream simply flashes both sides, whistling next to someone’s head, then there’s nothing to worry about, maximum - there will be a light concussion. Well, if it gets to the head, then of course there will be a corpse, but the rest will not suffer.
          Although of course it all depends on the power of the coum. If it’s an RPG type, then this is one thing, if it’s Cornet, then it may well be a mass grave.
          1. radikdan79
            radikdan79 11 May 2012 19: 10
            0
            I apologize, but did you lively see the consequences of getting an RPG grenade in the side armor of an armored personnel carrier?
            1. Passing
              Passing 11 May 2012 20: 16
              0
              I saw the photo, there were breaks in the armor. And I saw a photo of the Abrams, in which the jet that penetrated inside hit only "a can of Coca-Cola". I repeat, the point is the blast wave flowing, if a thin single-layer armor is broken (and not even broken, the armor is thin single-layer), as happens with our armored personnel carriers, then a blast wave from an explosive charge penetrates into this hole, and if the armor is thick, spaced, with extensive cavities, then through a half-meter of a complex barrier (one can imagine an analogy in the form of a silencer) with an inlet hole of only a centimeter, an insignificant amount of gases from the explosion penetrates. Accordingly, only what the jet hits is affected. There is no compression lesion in this case. Naturally, everything depends on the power of the kuma, for example, Mayverik carries everything inside Abrams.
            2. schonia06rus
              schonia06rus 11 May 2012 20: 18
              0
              better not to see !!!!!!
      2. radikdan79
        radikdan79 11 May 2012 19: 07
        0
        the tandem RPG-7 round does not hold the Abrams' side armor ...
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 11 May 2012 10: 33
      +1
      The cop is still at the corner of the meeting with an obstacle.
      1. Vital 33
        Vital 33 11 May 2012 10: 37
        -2
        Perhaps, but in my opinion, when tilting, there is a chance that the grenade will "slide" over the surface ...
        1. core
          core 11 May 2012 16: 01
          +2
          wake up, it's just a transport of increased security (NOT A TANK). And for sure, the declared 4th grade is just an advertising move. well if the sides will hold 7,62 and anti-explosive protection. fighters will say thanks.
    3. radikdan79
      radikdan79 11 May 2012 19: 05
      +2
      This is not an armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle. I am sure that the direct tactical clashes are not included in the tactical tasks of this vehicle. this is for the delivery of personnel and equipment in the frontline, but not during the battle. IMHO need a large capacity, but not the security of the side projection
  7. crossbow
    crossbow 11 May 2012 10: 11
    +1
    There is a well-developed comprehensive approach. Bravo!
  8. roial
    roial 11 May 2012 10: 49
    -2
    Yes, it’s not a car, but RPGeshnik’s dream.
    1. Manager
      Manager 11 May 2012 11: 26
      0
      Here are the people on the site) A little higher, I wrote that with such armor he did not care about A4 and RPG. I was bombarded. A little lower you write that this is an RPGshnik's dream. You too were bombarded. It does not create the best impression of those who are minus. Either they don’t understand what is going on or stupidly seeing one minus they add the next one! smile
      1. Aleksey67
        Aleksey67 11 May 2012 11: 29
        +3
        Quote: Manager
        . Either they don’t understand what is going on or stupidly seeing one minus they add the next one!

        Trolls frolic, looking for logic in "+" and "-" is pointless smile
      2. Vital 33
        Vital 33 11 May 2012 11: 36
        +9
        To get the benefits, here you have to write "Americans to ... s!", "Our tanks are the most ...!" , "Ur Americans .... s!" , "Our missiles .... !!!" , "One of our paratroopers, with his bare hands will bite a company of marines (you know whose) ...", well, etc ... And then you will be a general. wink
        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 11 May 2012 11: 38
          +7
          Quote: Vital 33
          To get benefits, here you have to write "Americans!", "Our tanks are the most ...!" , "Americans!" , "Our missiles .... !!!" , "One of our paratroopers, with his bare hands will bite a company of marines (you know whose) ...", well, etc ... And then you will be a general.

          To get "+" you don't need to carry nonsense smile And then there is a chance that you will be perceived as an adequate interlocutor drinks
          1. Vital 33
            Vital 33 11 May 2012 11: 45
            +6
            He always considered himself adequate, and seemed to have never been noticed beyond the dissemination of nonsense, although he was probably more visible from the outside ... The man raised the right question, I answered jokingly. Although reading some comments and ratings on them, I understand that jokes there are about 30 percent ...
            1. Aleksey67
              Aleksey67 11 May 2012 13: 19
              0
              Quote: Vital 33
              He always considered himself adequate, and seemed to have never been noticed beyond the dissemination of nonsense, although he was probably more visible from the outside ... The man raised the right question, I answered jokingly.

              Nothing personal, I did not address my comment to you personally. One should not evaluate oneself, the "surpassing" suffers. smile
              For you personally "+" smile
        2. Manager
          Manager 11 May 2012 17: 44
          0
          Quote: Vital 33
          And then to be you the general.


          SW Vital) ATP for support. Yes, I'm not in uniform here sitting on the site. It’s just an interesting site and I already know many here, you can conduct dialogs)
        3. radikdan79
          radikdan79 11 May 2012 19: 15
          +1
          Do you write for the sake of pluses and rank? actually, I thought they were just giving their opinion on this topic. but it turns out there is a struggle for "+"
      3. Eugene
        Eugene 11 May 2012 18: 37
        +2
        and not figs to write nonsense, "dream" of a grenade launcher. Is the onboard Ural not a dream?
      4. Filin
        Filin 11 May 2012 19: 37
        +7
        Manager
        It does not create the best impression of those who are minus.


        You are minus, because you have little idea what to write about.
        Any technique. including 50 ton tanks - this is the goal for the grenade launcher and with a successful shot the tank burns like a candle and breaks down the tower.
        These TYPHOONS must replace conventional UNBORNED machines. Do you feel the difference ??
        When I was serving, the drivers in the columns rode in bulletproof vests and hung a few more on the doors in order to at least somehow defend themselves. The sides inside the tents were lined with logs !! and sandbags wrapped around. Because ONE line from the machine to the machine and there are already dead and wounded ....
        That's what this car is for. For the safe transportation of personnel from point to point and for protection against shelling from light automatic weapons. From RPG this armor WILL NOT SAVE .... in any way ... at any angles and inclinations ...
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 11 May 2012 22: 41
          0
          it’s nice to see sound reasoning — in the first Chicha, we drove cabs — hung with armor plates — were true (with bad officers) who hung them directly on the windows — a class car — the assembly wouldn’t let us down, by the way, another question if you noticed the opening and closing of doors and ramps hydraulics with locking (locking mechanism) during extreme exit (evacuation) how will it all work?
          1. Filin
            Filin 12 May 2012 01: 31
            0
            zadorin1974
            By the way, another question, if you notice the opening and closing of doors and ramps, hydraulics with blocking (locking mechanism) with an extreme exit (evacuation) how will this work?


            Greetings!
            In the center of the ramp, an ordinary hinged door is made in the center. Watch the clip carefully and see the hinges when opening the ramp. The advantage of KAMAZovsky is that it is possible to carry out engine repairs without leaving the car. The downside is the lack of side doors in the module for transporting personnel.
            When hit by shelling in the mountains, for example in a convoy, fire will be fired from above and from the side. Going out through the ramp will have to be directly under enemy fire. The side doors would solve this problem and the car could be left from the opposite side. Although this machine can be done through the cab, but still ....
        2. Manager
          Manager 12 May 2012 09: 43
          -3
          Quote: FILIN
          You are minus, because you have little idea what to write about.


          You did not catch the meaning of my words. Above, I wrote that it would not break RPG for which I received a well-deserved minus maybe I did not understand the characteristics completely.
          Below, the man wrote about the fact that this is an RPG dream but he was also given cons. Where is the logic?
    2. Civil
      Civil 11 May 2012 12: 02
      -1
      Well look at the trendsetter of the Jurassic Buffalo fashion ...
  9. USNik
    USNik 11 May 2012 11: 43
    0
    In addition to problems with dimensions, all (foreign) MCIs have problems with weight, note that the article does not indicate the weight of the platform itself anywhere, only the carrying capacity. And overweight is a consumption of 60-90 liters per 100 km (on the road), increased wear of units and assemblies, unified with civilian cars, disgusting cross-country ability on viscous soils ... Yes, and at the price of such a unit, I think it will exceed the same BTR, which also has weapons ...
    1. radikdan79
      radikdan79 11 May 2012 19: 18
      0
      By the way, regarding the weight, they refused the 4x4 version precisely because of the increased load on the front wheels
  10. Hammer
    Hammer 11 May 2012 11: 55
    +3
    Quote: roial
    Garage program cottage - uniform


    What are you talking about? And then this car and RPG? This is not a battlefield machine.
    By your logic, all cargo only in tanks should be carried. Well, or on an infantry fighting vehicle with dynamic protection.
    Her armor is only from fragments, bullets of small arms and mines.
    1. core
      core 11 May 2012 16: 05
      +1
      I thought I would not read more than one adequate koment. THX. otherwise it feels like a cruise missile will chase after every truck. plus for you.
  11. The centurion
    The centurion 11 May 2012 12: 13
    +17
    Always with a mixed sense of pride, pity and perplexity for more than 30 years I have been looking at the picture of the departure of our valiant motorized infantry. airborne troops and internal troops on a combat mission.
    Like hens on a perch they sit on an armored personnel carrier and infantry fighting vehicles and God forbid this * chicken coop * run into an ambush. But according to the design and purpose of the armored vehicles, everything should be exactly the opposite. They should not sit on the armor, but in the armor, which should protect them from the primary and secondary damaging factors of various weapons, including nuclear. The explanation is equally valiant for the infantry and equally shameful for manufacturers and designers of armored vehicles. The infantry prefers a glorious death from a bullet or a fragment of painful death from barotrauma, and manufacturers and designers for more than 30 years will not see the problem that when hitting even a tiny mine of our armored vehicles, the entire crew and the landing force (if it is inside) painfully die or leave crazy about barotrauma. Of course, warriors and gunsmiths often do not find a common language and always argue, this argument is thousands of years old. Warriors always say that gunsmiths make bad weapons, and gunsmiths say that warriors do not know how to fight. Nevertheless, questions arise for our gunsmiths and their defenders in this eternal centuries-old dispute:
    - for what (or in the interests of whom) they so dislike our valiant and sacrificial infantry, landing troops and tankers and are ready to burn and soak them in the coffins they built on wheels and tracks. They probably also think that there are too many of them, like the Russians in general.
    - Why buy and spend billions of rubles on such equipment. With the same success, you can go on a mission and in a cart drawn by a mare. Therefore, I propose instead of the armored personnel carrier of the Arzamasmashzavod and BMP of the Kurganmashzavod to buy arbs and carts, the protective effect will be about the same and the passability at least not worse.
    However, it seems that the ice has broken off, when this equipment enters the troops they will quickly figure out where they should sit on the march, inside or outside. In the meantime, I will refrain from praises, I'm afraid to jinx it.
    1. alex shnajder
      alex shnajder 11 May 2012 12: 49
      0
      totally agree, it's time to revive the carts))
    2. Eugene
      Eugene 11 May 2012 13: 41
      +7
      And you there ... This equipment was created for a big war! Where there is a front line for artillery preparation, forcing water barriers, etc. And do not ride on their territory for fear of a landmine of 40 kg on the road, and grenade launchers in the bushes. We use what is simple.
      1. The centurion
        The centurion 11 May 2012 18: 35
        +4
        Quote: Eugene
        And do not drive around soy territory for fear of a bomb in 40kg on the road, and grenade throwers in the bushes. We use what is simple.

        Are there no mines in the big war? Yes? This you tell me, the sapper.
        And this is for reference. At all times, starting with King Hamurappi, maybe even earlier, there were simply no letters left, sappers were the most numerous branch of the ground forces. What was the most popular weapon of the armies of all times and peoples in the pre-arctic era? Right-ax. Only commanders had swords. Engineers built and destroyed roads, bridges, crossings. dams, fortresses, redoubts, fortified areas, notches, etc. etc. and always honestly practiced their front soldering. And they are not going to resign in the current war. And you say in the big war there are no mines ?????? It’s in the head of the designers of armored vehicles they don’t, but the sappers have.
        1. Filin
          Filin 11 May 2012 19: 47
          +5
          The centurion
          Are there no mines in the big war?



          There is a front in a big war. He is not in the guerrilla warfare. This is a very big difference. If, in the concept of a big war, an infantry fighting vehicle was to deliver fighters to the front line and then support them with fire in the second row, following the tanks, then in a small war the infantry fighting vehicles are on the first line and fire is fired from all sides.
          The BMP was a unique vehicle of its time. Look at the American cars of the time.
          Now the character of the battle has certainly changed ... and the concepts are different. We need new cars with new features. But with a good landmine, ANY most super-protected vehicle is a mass grave. But on this basis, can it do nothing at all then ??
  12. borisst64
    borisst64 11 May 2012 12: 36
    +2
    The wishes of the Defense Ministry are good, but the unjustified complication of technology confuses:
    - why do we need a suspension with adjustable clearance, today there is an example of BMD, made only for landing, other advertising functions;
    - armor from a bullet of 14.5 mm is the level of a light tank, and in the frontal projection;
    - about the onboard information and control system in general, the tin who faced the mazes, KAMAZs with electronic control of the high-pressure fuel pump, can imagine how it will be set to order more complicated
    YaMZ engine of the 5th series has no operational experience, I think the crude design, it is premature to bet on it
    -automatic hydraulic transmissions in Russia have never been produced industrially, experience is long to gain
    1. schonia06rus
      schonia06rus 11 May 2012 13: 39
      +2
      for me, adjustable ground clearance is a good thing. as an example; at the exit we were in the hills, one armored vehicle very successfully drove into the hollow, the silhouette was reduced by almost half (the armored vehicle "began" somewhere from the top of the wheels), and if there was an adjustable ground clearance, it would become even lower.
    2. Passing
      Passing 11 May 2012 15: 29
      +2
      Quote: borisst64
      confuses the unjustified complication of technology

      And indeed, all this ceramics, electronics, satellite navigation, ABS, and so on. - this is all a foreign perversion, our soldier does not need all this! It’s enough for our soldier three-ruler with three cartridges, and he will turn mountains! Well, let there be a cart with a horse, which means that rich trophies on which it was taken. laughing
    3. vecher
      vecher 12 May 2012 21: 39
      0
      Quote: borisst64
      - why do I need a suspension with adjustable clearance,

      in general, the main type here is the suspension type - hydropneumatic (GLP). Which, as a bonus, allows you to change the clearance. Just because GPP allows all this.
      Quote: borisst64
      - armor from a bullet of 14.5 mm is the level of a light tank, and in the frontal projection;

      Such standards nowadays have to be followed. Moreover, this is the maximum reservation option.
      Quote: borisst64
      - about the onboard information and control system in general, the tin who faced the mazes, KAMAZs with electronic control of the high-pressure fuel pump, can imagine how it will be set to order more complicated

      All this should be configured by experts.
      Quote: borisst64
      YaMZ engine of the 5th series has no operational experience, I think the crude design, it is premature to bet on it

      There is nothing revolutionary about him. Master - bring.
      Quote: borisst64
      -automatic hydraulic transmissions in Russia have never been produced industrially, experience is long to gain

      BMP-3, and not only, from the last century go to the GMT.
    4. 77bor1973
      77bor1973 26 May 2012 14: 13
      0
      I will say as a person directly connected with trucks, the presence of a BIUS on an army conveyor is a tribute to fashion no more, if even civilian "Volvo" and "man" a little bit temperature difference starts to "glitch". And an engine of such power should have been introduced into the troops for a long time , the more they are going to use it as a tractor!
  13. understudy
    understudy 11 May 2012 12: 51
    +2
    Two points are indisputable: the first is good that such a machine will appear in the army and the soldiers will stop hanging armor in the cockpit ... and the second is for a grenade launcher, alas, this booking is not a problem.
    Quote: Centurion
    they don’t like our valiant and sacrificial infantry, landing troops and tankers and are ready to burn and wet them in the coffins they built on wheels and tracks

    Not because of the good life, even the BTR-152, and then the BTR-60p, were put on the "roof". There are pros and cons.
  14. Zlu
    Zlu 11 May 2012 13: 07
    0
    Very beautiful and ergonomic machine. I like the idea of ​​such a car.
  15. marshes
    marshes 11 May 2012 13: 15
    +1
    Good cars. Modularity. smile Even if there is one cab, the driver will be protected.
  16. Evgen2509
    Evgen2509 11 May 2012 14: 04
    +4

    And I like this one more !!!
    1. core
      core 11 May 2012 16: 12
      -2
      Yes, the Urals, there is the Urals, KamAZ is a ballerina in kirzochi.
      1. sahha
        sahha 12 May 2012 02: 06
        0
        And this one is also a ballerina?
    2. vecher
      vecher 12 May 2012 21: 42
      0
      With this arrangement, the front axle is heavily overloaded. No wonder the KAMAZ team shifted the middle axis forward.
  17. dred
    dred 11 May 2012 14: 39
    0
    I hope but it will reach our troops.
  18. Ragnarov
    Ragnarov 11 May 2012 14: 54
    0
    It’s interesting, but what about the cost indicators? How not to twist the army you need a massive, inexpensive car to maintain.
    And so, of course - beautiful!
  19. Oleg0308
    Oleg0308 11 May 2012 15: 23
    0
    And the main application is unlimited. And compared to the APC, the engine compartment is much smaller. And the presence of an automatic transmission simplifies management.
    1. Geton
      Geton 11 May 2012 17: 57
      0
      But complicates the repair.
  20. KAZAKHSTAN
    KAZAKHSTAN 11 May 2012 16: 18
    0
    Kamaz multiple rally champion Paris Dakkar and experience has colossal
    1. radikdan79
      radikdan79 11 May 2012 19: 22
      +3
      experience has - yes. and with regards to KAMAZ for Dakar and KAMAZ for the population - two big differences, as they say in Odessa request
  21. BROMSHVEIGER
    BROMSHVEIGER 11 May 2012 17: 40
    0
    Remember the harvester in red alert 2 laughing
  22. Diesel
    Diesel 11 May 2012 17: 51
    -1
    Cool Zombidavilka)
  23. Geton
    Geton 11 May 2012 17: 53
    +1
    In my opinion, the Urals are more respected in the troops. As for the Typhoon, here is only a practice criterion of truth.
  24. SectoR
    SectoR 11 May 2012 18: 54
    +1
    Quote: Tiberium
    KAMAZ does not produce bad products. It is a fact.

    because Tatars are responsible people wink
    That Kamaz, that the Urals are good equipment, dear, but the best drivers still prefer the Urals, more reliable ...
    and Typhoon is an interesting development. The military will appreciate it. Yaksha, yaksha yes
    1. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 11 May 2012 23: 12
      0
      Well, about responsibility, we don’t have to la-la-we get both new and thorough repairs your miracles-PRIDE OF TATARIA - TIRES OF RUSSIA-the hands of the locksmiths hurt and drove the heads
  25. Artmark
    Artmark 11 May 2012 21: 25
    -1
    nado nado xoroshuyu zashitu! super mashini!
  26. bzik85
    bzik85 11 May 2012 22: 16
    0
    Beautiful car, I hope it’s written about her.
  27. Scarx
    Scarx 11 May 2012 22: 36
    0
    MACHINE FIRE
  28. zadorin1974
    zadorin1974 11 May 2012 22: 53
    0
    a wonderful device - if they are really launched into the series - the unification will reduce the cost - I am very glad that the designers and staff began to think about the fighters
  29. Gocha kurashvili
    Gocha kurashvili 12 May 2012 08: 26
    -1
    And why can’t bring armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles to mind? Their production has already been established, worked out. Why create a new platform? Or are they all so miserable? And what will happen to the factories producing them? Are there experts here, not verbiage? Explain, please.
  30. Slavs69
    Slavs69 12 May 2012 08: 29
    -1
    Quote: Vital 33
    This thing the size of a railway carriage, and even sides, is a grenade launcher's dream ..

    I agree.
    Quote: Manager
    I think on A4 and RPG he does not care with such armor!

    Disagree.
    Quote: Vital 33
    but in an ambush it’s unlikely that there will be a CPV, but there’s more than one RPG, and it’ll be unambiguous ... But he will break through it ...

    I agree.
    Quote: Eugene
    At best, a special anti-cumulative mesh will be hung outside

    But this is a good idea.
    Quote: radikdan79

    This is not an armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle. I am sure that the direct tactical clashes are not included in the tactical tasks of this vehicle. this is for the delivery of personnel and equipment in the frontline, but not during the battle.

    So it certainly is, only practice shows that in modern conditions there is no front-line strip and delivery of l / s occurs when there is a threat of a clash with the enemy’s DG. And one more thing, it is possible that these types of protected vehicles will also be equipped with special forces, and their operational-combat missions just happen at a 99% probability of fire contact during the same targeted events. But the device is good, especially the rear ramp! It is not necessary when deploying then the spine in his underpants to look for!
  31. Gecko
    Gecko 12 May 2012 10: 03
    0
    What will choose the Urals or KamAZ it will be known after the tests and it’s right that the way to life is better.
    It is necessary for the military and in other types of weapons to rely on competition, and not resent that prices are too high.
  32. 8 company
    8 company 12 May 2012 11: 49
    +1
    It was necessary to do this several decades ago. Back in the 70s, I saw South African trucks with V-shaped armor in the Foreign Military Review. Already in Afghanistan, it was possible to react sharply and release a batch of such machines, no matter how many lives they saved! In my company in Afghanistan, the main losses were from mines and land mines, and in neighboring ones too.
  33. Andrey_K
    Andrey_K 12 May 2012 20: 09
    0
    Why are there no loopholes?
    In which case, inside fire is safer than jumping out ...
  34. vylvyn
    vylvyn 13 May 2012 10: 54
    -1
    Quote: Passing by
    Formulas from soprmata are too lazy to look, but this is already obvious in my opinion


    Eh sopromat-sopromat, our native sopromat. There is such an expression among students of construction specialties - I passed a compromise - you can get married. According to the calculations of sopromat - the bottom will certainly withstand the load from the shock wave, but - having accepted the load with the plane of the bottom, the car will most likely bounce, roll over, or even somersault. And this is not good. Therefore, along with the calculations of the sopromat, the calculations of another science are used - aerodynamics (or hydraulics, depending on which case). And then it becomes clear that due to the well-calculated shape of the bottom and body of the machine, it is possible not only to withstand the load of the shock wave, both from below and from the side, but also to prevent the machine from tipping over. And this is what we need.
  35. vecher
    vecher 13 May 2012 11: 08
    0
    Something the engine is greatly forced - 6l more than 400ls declare. This will not last long.
  36. Nursultan
    Nursultan 13 May 2012 12: 30
    -1
    Here is this technique. KAMAZ is a good technique and not complicated to operate. I for if ours will buy them
  37. Sobakin
    Sobakin 14 May 2012 22: 16
    +1
    Ural, of course. Drove to have a wheel under your ass (read the push-button device) somehow uncomfortable ...
  38. rennim
    rennim 29 June 2012 17: 56
    -1
    I do not know how others. I think that for the transportation of hp need a normal armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle. And not an armored car. Let him deal with the transportation of goods and the evacuation of the wounded. If there is a claim to an armored personnel carrier ... you just need to bring it to the right condition, and not reinvent the car as at the beginning of the 20th century. Special chassis have special chassis. I can say the same about a tiger and a lynx. I need an armored car .... forward to finalize the BRDM. And do not come up with ersatz .. on the basis of a cross-country car. I agree only with the fact that it is necessary to increase the armor protection of the driver’s cabin.