Bank of Russia: Young citizens undermine their pension system by investing in themselves

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Recently, the Central Bank published a remarkable report titled "The main directions of development of the financial market of the Russian Federation for the period 2019-2021." Among the data on the architecture of the financial market of Russia, the approaches of the regulator and trends of a global nature, the CBR also considers the issue of the pension system in the country.

It is noted that Russia differs from "many economically developed countries" by low population activity in the financial market. It is noted that more than a quarter of Russians (26%) believe that the loan taken from the bank does not have to be repaid, and 38% believe that the bank will not lose it if they allow late payments.



From the report:
The unconscientiousness of financial services sellers generates a response from their consumers.


The material of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation states that the majority of citizens of working age (the so-called generation Y: 1980-2000 b.) Are prone to the fact that if you invest money somewhere, then in your own high-quality impressions.

Bank of Russia: Young citizens undermine their pension system by investing in themselves


From the material:
Longing for control of one’s fate reduces tolerance to participation in "joint" schemes. In the medium term, this may undermine the stability of the existing model of the pension system based on the intergenerational transfer mechanism.


In other words, the Bank of Russia declares its own concern that citizens decide to invest in themselves without sharing their savings with the banking sector.

So that citizens do not “play” with investments in themselves, in the above-mentioned “high-quality impressions”, the Bank of Russia offers: “accounting for behavioral irrationalities in protecting consumer rights”, “creating conditions for the introduction of pension plans certified by the regulator to the market, with the option of automatic registration "And new ways to" protect consumers. "

That is, the Central Bank thus appeals to the young and middle generation of Russians: you will invest in yourself, you will remain without a pension. And the question that citizens, perhaps, are trying to invest not in banks, but in themselves, in order to simply live to retirement age, the Central Bank, apparently, does not arise ...
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    1. +65
      7 June 2018 08: 04
      The material of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation states that the majority of citizens of working age (the so-called generation Y: 1980-2000 b.) Are prone to the fact that if you invest money somewhere, then in your own high-quality impressions.
      18-23 year olds, what for "savings" ..? and those who are older fight for housing, but they are trying to raise children ... what the hell is a "pension"? fool
      1. +94
        7 June 2018 08: 17
        A very correct description of the situation ... Yes Young people see how the Government and the FIU of the Russian Federation are deceiving their parents' pensions and drawing quite logical conclusions ... good They realized that honestly in Russia, you won’t save up on old age, the state will still find a way to take everything away ... sad Therefore, we decided to live one day ... request
        PS This publication once again proves that the Central Bank of Russia and Ms. Nabiulina are engaged in all kinds of nonsense, and not what they should ... fool
        1. +4
          7 June 2018 08: 36
          OUR private financial and economic problems are the result of OUR irrational decisions and behavior. Analyze YOUR mistakes, do not expect favors from anyone. But, you cannot once and forever make the right decision - the situation is changing continuously and timely corrections are needed. Complicated? “But this world is so arranged, he does not consider himself obligated to please everyone.”
        2. +40
          7 June 2018 08: 40
          Quote: Sergey-svs
          Young people see how the Government and the FIU of the Russian Federation are deceiving their parents' pensions and drawing quite logical conclusions ... They realized that honestly in Russia, you won’t save up, the state will still find a way to take everything away ... Therefore, they decided to live one day ...

          I have seen enough generations of young people in my life and did not notice that young people suffer as observantly and progmatism as you attributed to them. Just at 18-25 do not think about retirement age and pension - at all. This usually comes much later than 30. But the purchase of housing, cars, new devices, see the foreign world - that's all. Well, if this is not intertwined with the commercial goals of banks, then this is a problem of banks, not a gram of sympathy for them.
          1. +32
            7 June 2018 09: 50
            Totally agree with you. I am 22 years old, and I don’t think about retirement at all, but think about where to live, where to bring my girlfriend, what the hell / root crop to buy a car for me, and what should be done earlier.
            I once read that they found "extra" 2bn in the pension fund. rubles (where then they were divided - I do not know). And it became completely clear to me that my pension is the second apartment that I will ever purchase for myself and will lease it.
            Hence, by the way, the popularity of informal employment and salaries in an envelope - you don’t have to deduct them from the funds that will heat you up.
            1. +2
              7 June 2018 10: 32
              Quote: Kadaver
              I am 22 years old, and I don’t think about retirement at all, but think about where to live, where to bring my girlfriend, what the hell / root crop to buy a car for me, and what should be done earlier.

              First, try to work. Yes Of course, the thought process is necessary, but without supporting it with constructive actions, the achievement of the stated goals is many times delayed. laughing hi
              1. MPN
                +8
                7 June 2018 12: 24
                Quote: Paranoid50
                Of course, the thought process is necessary, but without supporting it with constructive actions, the achievement of the stated goals is many times delayed.

                And how would (not only with you, but also a young man) agree and not ... I am a military pensioner, what about pension? Few? Well, this is from needs ... It’s not enough for me ... I work, but definitely there should be a pension !! Of course, I have friends .. who do not have enough pensions and medications, and they (they gave their health to their homeland) passed me lava to God ... I would advise Nabiulina to live as she wishes us all ...
                1. 0
                  8 June 2018 00: 15
                  Well, then, military pennies, we feel the charm of the existing pension system. This is me about the decreasing coefficient (0,54) applied to the retirement pension since 2012.
            2. +8
              7 June 2018 10: 42
              Hence, by the way, the popularity of informal employment and salaries in an envelope - you don’t have to deduct them from the funds that will heat you up.

              Right guy! Think 100 times before trusting this state-woo.
              I once read that they found "extra" 2bn in the pension fund. rubles (where then they were divided - I do not know).

              And did Mr. Mintz go away with 2.5 billion pension savings debt?
            3. +1
              7 June 2018 11: 39
              Quote: Kadaver
              I once read that they found "extra" 2bn in the pension fund. rubles (where then they were divided - I do not know). And it became completely clear to me that my pension is the second apartment that I will ever purchase for myself and will lease it.

              You will never glue from the details of the whole picture. A capitalist business will always find a way to extract surplus hard earned money from your pockets. Those who pay gray salaries are no exception, be careful. Of all that I had to see the FIU, this is the lesser of evils. Only a few are truly capable of turning savings on pension contributions into benefits. All the "joys of life" will begin in retirement, especially if health does not allow finding an adequate job. In this situation, I would advise you to weigh the pros and cons for a long time and carefully, without relying only on other people's stamped emotional slogans.
          2. +2
            7 June 2018 11: 44
            Quote: Alex-a832
            and if it is not intertwined with the commercial goals of banks, then this is a problem of banks, not a gram of sympathy for them.

            The main problem of the whole system is precisely the Central Bank and the entire banking system.
            It is not youth who should think about the pension system, but the state about youth, and will young people survive to retirement? Or is it a promise to introduce a parasitism tax so that from 18 to 65 everyone pays tribute to the pension system?
          3. +13
            7 June 2018 12: 03
            I am already over 40, but I also do not think much about retirement, because. for my work biography I went through 4 crises and if I am not mistaken 3 pension reforms.
            In this case, I still work 20 years until retirement. At the same time, another reform is threatening (almost certainly) and a couple of crises (this is just a forecast, but with a high degree of certainty).
            And now tell me why I need to invest in pension if my investments in it can depreciate at any time. In this sense, it is better to invest in your education and material wealth for the family.
        3. +25
          7 June 2018 08: 50
          Our Central Bank is a branch of the US Federal Reserve. Therefore, the Fed coat of arms flaunts in our national currency. The Central Bank will never protect the interests of ordinary citizens.
          1. +4
            7 June 2018 08: 55
            There is no emblem of the US Federal Reserve on our national currency.
          2. +5
            7 June 2018 09: 01
            Quote: NKVD
            Our Central Bank is a branch of the US Federal Reserve. Therefore, the Fed coat of arms flaunts in our national currency. The Central Bank will never protect the interests of ordinary citizens.

            Forget you these stamps. If the Central Bank of the Russian Federation had not been controlled by the political power of Russia, then US sanctions would have worked out as they had planned, and if the oil price increased, Russia would not be able to devalue the ruble in order to maintain price dumping in foreign markets and the excess profitability of export goods production, as well as increasing the competitiveness of domestic goods relative to imports in the domestic market. The United States and the Fed in particular are boiling water over this issue, but cannot do anything.
          3. 0
            7 June 2018 11: 44
            Our Central Bank is a branch of the US Federal Reserve

            yeah, and the FSB is a limited liability company laughing
            NKVD

            regarding the dumping of information by the Central Bank, it’s not a fact that it is from the Central Bank, it’s easier for them to print money again like “10000” banknotes, and we don’t face any inflation (!)
        4. +9
          7 June 2018 09: 16
          Quote: Sergey-svs

          PS This publication once again proves that the Central Bank of Russia and Ms. Nabiulina are engaged in all kinds of nonsense, and not what they should ... fool

          Yes, they’re not doing nonsense. They just live in a different, invented world themselves. Nabiulina would not hurt to live the life of an ordinary citizen for half a year. Maybe it would be smarter.
          I had a conversation on Skype with a German couple. In short, he receives a pension of 500 euros, she is 750. She is higher because she took care of her elderly parents herself, and did not give them to the nursing home. According to him - now we are saving on everything. because the two of us went to the dentist and paid 2500 euros for this. These are the tomatoes.
      2. +2
        7 June 2018 20: 07
        And that too. And it’s better to remember how in the old days in Russia, speculators-money-lenders were punished, which in essence are all current banks. Then it was a shameful occupation, beat mercilessly! And now these ... ask the question: - How is youth spending money on themselves, and not on their s.ranuyu financial system. Yes, and therefore spends that does not believe them! What is the percentage of loans in the depression? But in Russia? What is the salary level here and there? The trouble of Russia is EXACTLY IN THESE HRENANSISTS, who are seated in banks, administrations, government ...
    2. +5
      7 June 2018 08: 20
      Quote: Krot-745
      And rightly so, with such a life, most of us will not survive to retirement ..

      Stop the panic. If TMV does not crash or what a global cataclysm, then they will survive perfectly. The 90s and the beginning of the XNUMXs survived, and now a healthy lifestyle is increasingly in use - now they will definitely survive. By the way, I'm talking about Russia. And your comment with the German flag looks very funny. lol
      1. +1
        7 June 2018 08: 49
        How old are retirees in Germany?
        1. +2
          7 June 2018 09: 25
          Quote: zxc15682
          How old are retirees in Germany?

          and what kind of pension is there?
          1. 0
            7 June 2018 14: 08
            and what are the living expenses?
            an inner voice tells you not to stretch your legs in Europe, scabbard from 1000 euros per month (if you rent a house) ...
          2. +2
            7 June 2018 15: 50
            Quote: Silvestr
            and what kind of pension is there?

            More importantly, how many years do their average life expectancy exceed retirement age?
    3. +18
      7 June 2018 08: 41
      The owners of this gangster private office called the Central Bank of the Russian Federation are deeply violet on the citizens of the Russian Federation. Hence the logic is as follows.
  2. +9
    7 June 2018 07: 52
    Who is undermining!? Whose cow would moo!
    1. +11
      7 June 2018 09: 09
      And who is pushing the youth, and indeed the whole population, to solve problems here and now?
      People just want to live, and not work for a future pension sometime later .... there will be something to remember in old age!
      1. +16
        7 June 2018 09: 26
        Quote: rocket757
        And who is pushing the youth, and indeed the whole population, to solve problems here and now?

        our power!
        Quote: rocket757
        People just want to live, and not work for a future pension sometime later .... there will be something to remember in old age!

        because with such power you never see a fig
        1. +2
          7 June 2018 09: 57
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: rocket757
          And who is pushing the youth, and indeed the whole population, to solve problems here and now?

          our power!

          It turns out that you support the correctness of the actions of the Russian authorities ?! After all, one of the tasks of the authorities is to make people solve problems, and not wait for the GDP to come to them personally and solve all problems for them, because the state is a driver who rules a blind horse (people), and not vice versa lol
          1. +2
            7 June 2018 12: 20
            There is a public contract - the people must do ....., the state undertakes to do ......!
            Now more people should think about themselves, they are placed in such conditions ... this is unusual for many, but quite adequate, in principle!
            The state should not shirk its obligations, which are by no means excessive!
            The trouble is that both parties to the contract strive to evade!
            It is time, we must learn to fulfill our part of the contract, but also be able to, be able to demand from the state, so that it fulfilled its part!
            We have not yet observed balance and mutual understanding.
            Everyone needs to learn how to do it.
        2. +5
          7 June 2018 10: 13
          Our power is still that power!
          In principle, they are temporary workers, so everything is logical ... after us \ them at least a flood!
          Nothing lasting, except for the desire to create a stupid consumer flock, it is not possible to notice!
          The limit of dreams, go warm belly in Turkey, Egypt, etc. ... yell Tagil!
          It is hard to believe that our people, our youth, have completely fallen into mental lethargy and will never remember what is Great, Bright - BAM, TARGET, will not read again
          - I left the hut, went to fight
          Schaub give the land to the peasants in Grenada!

          All this is sad.
  3. +39
    7 June 2018 07: 52
    And how should young people believe in the pension system if the rules are changed every two years, and pension savings are taken for the fourth year in a row.
    1. +14
      7 June 2018 08: 03
      That's right, what conditions have created, and youth lives, okay, at least it does not grieve, youth takes its toll.
    2. +26
      7 June 2018 08: 07
      Quote: Krot-745
      And rightly so, with such a life, most of us will not survive to retirement ..

      Meehan, you tore the clothes of Zaputin on yourself ... how quickly you changed your shoes! don't like the "economic growth" that you talked about in ecstasy before the election?
      1. +20
        7 June 2018 09: 17
        After the election, many people “changed their shoes”, and today the GDP will again wisely say how “Ocean’s 13 friends” will live today, and all the rest of the years in ... eleven, and how the new government will be, its next decades, with its titanic work fight for a better life for the common people.
    3. +12
      7 June 2018 08: 20
      And the retirement age without noise with the help of "points" quietly pushed: not scored points - go refine!
      1. +2
        7 June 2018 08: 41
        If someone does not earn points for retirement, but receives, then he does it at YOUR expense. Will you be happy?
    4. +1
      7 June 2018 09: 19
      I completely agree, back in 2014 I remembered the words of Mr. Medvedev "that people will not lose money from this freeze"
    5. +13
      7 June 2018 09: 27
      Quote: frezer
      if the rules change every two years,

      they are simply sophisticated, as if delicately taking away money
  4. +15
    7 June 2018 07: 53
    The people do not believe in the state and even more so do not want to share their money with it. And the slogan “take everything away and then how to divide it” has been known for a long time.
    1. +4
      7 June 2018 08: 21
      Quote: Teberii
      The people do not believe the state

      In 25 years, the guys in the state do not give a damn. The fun goes almost around the clock
      1. +15
        7 June 2018 09: 24
        Why not? Really zhituha cool huh? Earned - take it to the bank for pennies, so that bankers live cool. So what?
    2. +11
      7 June 2018 09: 24
      Now the word state is synonymous with the word fraudster, who strives to “chop” his citizens at the earliest opportunity.
    3. +11
      7 June 2018 09: 29
      Quote: Teberii
      The people do not believe in the state, much less want to share their money with it.

      how many times has the state deceived the people?
      Soviet, Yeltsin, Putin ...

      and you didn’t lie down pi ... pi ... pi ..............
  5. +20
    7 June 2018 07: 54
    What kind of pensions ... With that policy pursued by the authorities, it would be nice to live up to it.
    1. +2
      7 June 2018 08: 44
      Yes, it is surviving more and more: the number of pensioners is growing rapidly. Moreover, they cling to work - you can’t drive them away! (I know by myself).
      1. +4
        7 June 2018 09: 31
        Quote: Victor N
        the number of pensioners is growing rapidly. Moreover, they cling to work - you can’t drive them away! (I know by myself).

        But is the pension adequate to prices? I get paid 15600 rubles. Apartment 4-6 thousand + 1 thousand electricity
        1. +3
          7 June 2018 10: 27
          Compared to mine, you have a great pension! But small, I agree. Yes, we used to get out, right? I won’t ask anyone. Don’t have anyone.
          1. +2
            7 June 2018 10: 31
            Quote: Victor N
            Yes, we used to get out, right? I won’t ask anyone. Don’t have anyone.

            this is understandable, we are spinning. That's just how you want in that song: "if death is instant!".
            I don’t like to ask, and from whom?
          2. +4
            7 June 2018 10: 49
            Yes, we used to get out, right?

            Then what for the state to pay taxes? What would you forget about them?
  6. +18
    7 June 2018 07: 54
    Another charade from the central bank. Of course they will invest in themselves, in children in their education. A citizen Nabiulina should pay attention to lower key interest rates on loans and a mortgage for young people. Give people confidence in the future and the opportunity to realize themselves, and you yourself will not notice how Russia will turn into a flourishing state.
    1. +2
      7 June 2018 08: 47
      How are you on time! Nabiulina YESTERDAY announced plans to lower the key rate to 3 (three!)%. I am very surprised, but glad.
      1. +2
        7 June 2018 09: 16
        Quote: Victor N
        reduction of the key rate to 3 (three!)%. I am very surprised, but glad.

        I haven’t heard, but I’m glad that the Central Bank is still moving towards a gradual reduction in rates! Inflation in the country is 2%, what a time!
      2. +6
        7 June 2018 09: 23
        Oh how! Without knowing it, he became a prophet .. smile And now the moment of truth, as state and commercial banks will accept this initiative! Do they want to lower interest rates on lending to business and the public, mortgages! And then they will be glad to try, at the previous rates, to tear the population even more! We have to believe the banker, do not respect yourself ... smile And then there are hucksters in the housing market and gas stations, also there is not a gram of conscience. And to those where there was a conscience, the device grew, large and thick. They still cannot catch up, that one can earn more from a commodity turnover than to tear three skins?
        1. +2
          7 June 2018 09: 40
          Quote: Zubr
          Oh how! Without knowing it, he became a prophet .. But now is the moment of truth, as state and commercial banks will accept this initiative!

          They will have no choice, you understand the competition! Collusion? We have different services, they will find, they will prove.
    2. +1
      7 June 2018 09: 26
      Do they need it? They have been flourishing for a long time.
      1. +6
        7 June 2018 09: 38
        Yes, they are thriving! But the fact that people no longer trust them and are looking at them under the prism of a sight is a fact. After all, what happened in fact. This is the financial arbitrariness of the low salaries, the skilled personnel were knocked out, everyone went to the place where they pay more, thereby losing their qualifications. Dululis up to the fact that now they are inviting foreign experts for the construction of data centers. Although its literate people are hundreds of thousands. They are in demand, but do not want to go to positions. ZP installer with 5-m discharge above ZP engineer, foreman. And in the financial sector, the same mess with personnel and financial dictatorship. How people develop to move forward, feed, raise children. I believe this is the targeted destruction of our gene pool, with the help of several key financial institutions. And there is no need to keep silent about this, it is necessary to write and speak and do about this. Here you have the demographics. And so of course, the ostrich's pose is provided to everyone.
  7. +25
    7 June 2018 07: 55
    That is, the Central Bank thus appeals to the young and middle generation of Russians: you will invest in yourself, you will remain without a pension. And the question that citizens, perhaps, are trying to invest not in banks, but in themselves, in order to simply live to retirement age, the Central Bank, apparently, does not arise ...
    As they do not have any glimpses of conscience, it is our banking system, under the strict guidance of the Central Bank and the state, that has led people to OPTENTLY DO NOT TRUST IT. So many times to deceive ...
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      1. +10
        7 June 2018 08: 22
        Quote: Krot-745
        . We have outlived our own and I’ll tell you well! There is something to remember, nostalgia is direct
        Do not touch artists, prostitutes and coachmen. They serve any authority.
        . The authorship of the phrase is attributed to Kolchak. Meehan, are you a coachman ... artist ...? you want the USSR, (I can dig up screenshots, if you wish, with your "quotes"), then you’re already dissatisfied with the new government ... the "wedding in Robin" is solid. laughing
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              1. +4
                7 June 2018 09: 21
                Still, Lelik was right .. laughing Better take another Bastille, in the sense of a wineglass lol ... see, read, think, not yours. Yes
                ps already moderators knocked the scoundrel grandfather-makar negative
              2. +6
                7 June 2018 09: 25
                Quote: Krot-745
                well ..then I look like I actually haven’t left on the site (everyone erased it) and only the whining is going on, I’m sick of reading liberal comments ..

                Meehan, I am 44 years old. All his life he worked with his hands. Now I’m lying around, my heart is pricking (doesn’t it remind me of anything?), The patella are squeaking, and I’m afraid that I simply won’t reach my pension. But before her, even more than 20 years. Confidence in tomorrow is already completely gone.
                Quote: Victor N
                But those wishing to EARN less and less!

                Why didn’t you think so? Maybe because of us consumers are brought up, not manufacturers?
              3. +12
                7 June 2018 09: 26
                Quote: Krot-745
                I look like I actually left the site (all cleaned up)


                Yes, one uporoty stayed. Vitali, you would be engaged in business. Would draw a poster, praising Putin, and go to a single picket. And then more exhaust would be counted, and even on TV would show.
                1. +1
                  7 June 2018 12: 16
                  Novel hi I will supplement your comment with a musical illustration.
      2. +2
        7 June 2018 08: 51
        Yes, and now you can go. And they drive, they make good money. And, in fact, they are inviting! But those wishing to EARN less and less! The number of people wishing to GET is growing.
  8. +23
    7 June 2018 07: 55
    It is even difficult to comment on this nonsense of officials of the exchange-washing offices. They have completely beguiled the shores and want to control everything and everyone. Otherwise, it’s difficult to call them an occupation fund. And these occupation-thieves cash desks want white slaves to carry everything only to them.
    PS By the way, what is this? Let him fulfill his duties, and not engage in the study of “behavioral functions, semantic connections and the influence of blockchain on the life of hamsters”.
  9. +2
    7 June 2018 07: 56
    it is easier to make bank deposits at interest.
    1. +9
      7 June 2018 08: 37
      From what kind of income do you make deposits if there is only enough money from paycheck to paycheck?
    2. +4
      7 June 2018 08: 47
      The percentage is very small and there is no extra money to make these contributions.
  10. +12
    7 June 2018 08: 03
    The "financial sector" is a parasite on the body of any economy, a product of Jewish moneylenders, invented in order to live off the labor of others.
    1. 0
      7 June 2018 08: 17
      You are not right. The * financial * sector was invented by Christians under the patronage of the pope. The fact that later they began to attract Jews to usury was also happening as directed by Rome.
      1. +4
        7 June 2018 08: 22
        Husband and wife, one of Satan. What has not been invented in the entire history of mankind in order to live at the expense of another, the years go by, but basically nothing changes: for one with a bipod seven with a spoon.
    2. 0
      7 June 2018 08: 18
      Quote: leshiy076
      The "financial sector" is a parasite on the body of any economy, a product of Jewish moneylenders, invented in order to live off the labor of others.
      So what is the problem? AAA Cancel.
  11. +20
    7 June 2018 08: 04
    For investments in (voluntary) in the penion system you need:
    1. surplus money
    2. A pension system in which the rules do not change every year.
    3. Stable ruble exchange rate.
    Everything else is lyrics.

    And if I have a minimal pay and so on, what kind of investment in a pension fund?
    1. +1
      7 June 2018 08: 13
      It is necessary to work out 25 years officially, so that there would be a minimum pension. And in the future it can be made easier - the minimum pension will be from what you put on a savings account at interest, throughout your life until 65 years of age.
      1. +11
        7 June 2018 08: 50
        Quote: Vadim237
        And in the future it can be made easier - the minimum pension will be from what you put on a savings account at interest

        At the interest that the bank accrues - you also have to, and not receive a pension. sad
        1. 0
          7 June 2018 09: 39
          At the bank, at least the main amount will accumulate ...
        2. 0
          7 June 2018 22: 19
          I have been holding deposits for ten years now - the amount has increased by 70%.
      2. +5
        7 June 2018 09: 43
        I have already been working in Belaya for 19 years and during this time there was a crisis of 2008 with a change in the currency and twice in recent times. A lot will accumulate in 25 years in rubles? And the system itself was changed a couple of times, then it accumulated, then it did not accumulate ... As a result, I started with "0" ?! First you need a coherent system and then people will be loyal to it. While I regret my white salary.
    2. 0
      7 June 2018 08: 57
      Such conditions have never been ensured anywhere. Nevertheless, people live. And many enjoy life. So you should reconsider your requirements and desires.
      1. 0
        8 June 2018 08: 16
        Pension funds are one of the main investors in the world and quite successful ... they earn most of the money by investing.
    3. +4
      7 June 2018 09: 34
      Quote: Zaurbek
      For investments in (voluntary) in the penion system you need:
      1. surplus money
      2. A pension system in which the rules do not change every year.
      3. Stable ruble exchange rate.
      Everything else is lyrics.

      forgot the most important thing is faith in power
      1. +1
        7 June 2018 09: 45
        There should be a clear and understandable system - what I gave and what I received in retirement ... while the system, we play here, but here we do not play (the fish lay here)
      2. +1
        7 June 2018 10: 34
        Do not believe in power, believe in yourself! Only in yourself! Everything else weakens, lowers the will to fight - then the khan.
  12. +16
    7 June 2018 08: 05
    Whose cow would mumble, fat bankers from the Central Bank! You are actually a branch of the Fed, so keep quiet in a rag. The people remember 1992, 1998, 2008, 2014. You have robbed people so many times that no one believes you.
    1. +4
      7 June 2018 08: 19
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      The people remember 1992, 1998, 2008, 2014. You have robbed people so many times that no one believes you.

      You still forgot Pavlov’s reform. In the 90th. That robbery in the middle of three white days was on St. George's Day.
      1. -1
        7 June 2018 10: 34
        I was 7 years old then. And then what happened?
        1. +6
          7 June 2018 11: 47
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          I was 7 years old then. And then what happened?

          It was declared that there are too many fifty dollars and stolniks in the country. They allowed to exchange in three days, but up to a maximum of 500 rubles per person. This opa was for those who had a stash in such bills. My uncle's friend was hunting in the taiga at that time, and he had twenty thousand at home (he was saving up for the Volga). In general, he did not know anything. And they announced this reform on the radio at exactly midnight. And exactly for three days. In general, his money was covered. Can you imagine what a commotion it was? The prisoners in the zones offered millions, if only they would be released for a couple of days. Mom swore that they would return. laughing I personally pulled skiing to my grandfather, to take money from him. (mother worked as a cashier, there was an opportunity). Then, somewhere in the trash, millions of rubles were found with these pieces of paper. On the third day of the exchange, it came to the point that a hundred ruble note was offered for five rubles. This was a reform for all reforms. belay It’s the same as the Americans take, for example, and the hundred-dollar bills will be banned in three days. After this reform, the USSR quickly collapsed.
          1. 0
            7 June 2018 12: 00
            Nah, it's just a fox. angry ! I did not even know that such a shnyag was. Apparently, they were not oligarchs, and did not store money in bags at home.
            1. +2
              7 June 2018 12: 06
              And, yes, Pavlov was the then Minister of Finance, that's why they called him that. I remember articles with titles like: "Here’s your grandmother and St. George’s Day." Someone had fun, but someone was not laughing. laughing
              1. 0
                7 June 2018 12: 13
                And why did they keep such large amounts in cash, and not on the book? Is your uncle friend a speculator and a huckster, so he hid these 20 thousand? 20 thousand doesn’t seem like such a huge amount, it’s not a million or even 100 thousand, the origin of which would be difficult to explain.
                1. +1
                  7 June 2018 12: 26
                  Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                  Your uncle’s friend was a huckster, too, a speculator

                  No, he was a black hunter. Well, some had such a practice, they quit the season from the factory, and in the taiga, for sables. Some hunters boarded up huge grandmothers at that time. But that’s why he kept money at home, and I don’t even know this. Maybe because there was no Sberbank in that village. request Well, not in the know. My uncle, by the way, was also the same hunter. But he did not save. In general, for 20 thousand. it was possible to buy an apartment-kopeck piece. Or a good house. Well, many old people kept coffins at home.
                2. +2
                  7 June 2018 17: 57
                  But because to take, but to get money from Sberkasy (as it was called then) was also difficult. My parents went to the wedding with a telegram to the head of the Sberkasy branch. And then in turn, to whom for the funeral, to whom else where. Then they boarded a train from Abkhazia with refugees, were late for almost a day with their arrival, although they managed to get married. And at the invitation of the registry office I was given 20 bottles of vodka, as a result of which there was a retinue of squealing alcoholics ... And on TV they showed Gorbachev and Raisa how they walked and were happy in front of Thatcher on their hind legs.
          2. 0
            7 June 2018 16: 47
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            They allowed to exchange in three days, but up to a maximum of 500 rubles per person.

            like 1000 stolnikov could put on a book
            I then had three thousand in my hands, I found a couple of friends, opened three deposits in a thousand, then they still put passports in the passports so that they wouldn’t open them for the second time, a month later they took the money
            1. 0
              7 June 2018 17: 23
              Quote: reservist
              like 1000 stolnikov could put on a book

              What I don’t remember, I don’t remember. Yes, we didn’t have any stashes either. At that time we were given a four-apartment, all the money spent on furniture. So this problem was bypassed.
              1. +1
                7 June 2018 19: 59
                then he was still single, he didn’t shine his own apartment, he lived on his parent's, except for the salary engineer there were some part-time work under economic agreements and it somehow accumulated a little over a couple of years ... after that story with the exchange of the name of Pavlov for some reason I bought a video player ...
  13. +8
    7 June 2018 08: 08
    The other day, the Central Bank published a remarkable report .....

    ... well, at the Fed’s branch in Russia, the pearls are too small, ah-y-y, I wonder who, personally, they will push to pull the Russians out of their pockets, as it were, theirs?
  14. +11
    7 June 2018 08: 08
    Generation Y: 1980-2000

    although I don’t fall into this category ... but I’d better feed myself than the Central Bank ...
    1. +4
      7 June 2018 08: 44
      Similarly ... Although I fall into this category, I store sn in the stash.
  15. +10
    7 June 2018 08: 13
    How many times over the past 30 years the state threw us, beginning with vouchers, Pavlovskaya reform several pension reforms, Borka promised to go on the rails if there is a collapse of the ruble, and after that how many were there? And now they are chopping the tail, but not immediately but in parts, they think it is more comfortable for us. It will be possible to believe the state with a really fair, simple and transparent pension system, with the introduction of a progressive taxation scale, and a narrowing of the gap between rich and poor.
  16. +5
    7 June 2018 08: 20
    Previously, the criminal article was speculation.
    So let them be called financial speculators.
  17. +7
    7 June 2018 08: 23
    "The desire to control their destiny reduces the tolerance to participate in" joint "schemes"
    Everyone is worried that someone himself controls their fate ... Their schemes do not fall into their schemes ... Dogs are snuffy ....
  18. +6
    7 June 2018 08: 28
    Money invested in banks does not even cover inflation, not to mention accumulation or multiplication. They still want to raise their retirement age, to live up to retirement.
    And the Central Bank, apparently, is trying to invest not in banks, but in themselves, so that they can simply live to retirement age, the Central Bank, apparently, does not arise ..
    .
  19. +10
    7 June 2018 08: 32
    Here, as they say, they themselves are to blame. In order to invest or put off somewhere, one must be sure that what has been laid and buried can be dug up and used later. The state over the past almost 40 years, with its behavior, has given a clear signal that it is not worth trusting him and his monetary system. Judge for yourself. The only more or less reliable investment, like 30 years ago, is bucks in a mattress. All. Tell me at least one state mechanism capable of saving funds for at least 10 years? There are no such mechanisms.
    We go further ... You can certainly invest in property ... But, due to the fact that our state is built on the principle of robbing our own citizens, this is trite is not profitable. Here, for example, you bought a car ... It seems that you gained freedom .... But no. I got a terrible hemorrhoids. You strive to rob everything. from the traffic police inspector to the owner of the parking lot. From the tax service to insurers. Do not park here, do not drive there, and if you drive, give me the money. Do not screw the towbar, but if you screw it in, apply for permission. Do not supply gas equipment. And if you set it, pay. And so with almost any standing property, including wife and children)))))))) What for you this crap? It’s better not to go for this money anywhere and there’s still some amount left to finish whatever courses (As Avicenna said there: “It’s impossible to take away from a person only what he saw (learned) and ate).
    So we live like this. There was money - we went wherever we went. or have learned.
  20. +7
    7 June 2018 08: 33
    Quote: nick.guda
    it is easier to make bank deposits at interest.

    stupid, inefficient and unreliable.
  21. +6
    7 June 2018 08: 40
    Yes, they went ... Zadolbal already put their nose in every hole, they will soon hold a candle, then I earned my grandmother where I want to go there and put it, though, namely in my health so that the state can live to 100 years in spite of it.
  22. +5
    7 June 2018 08: 42
    Pension officials were offended by the youth? And why is this youth spending the loot on themselves and not carries in the "common fund".
    People do not believe our bureaucrats with fat faces, and takes an example from their children spending money on entertainment, with one amendment, the PEOPLE do not spend on entertainment but on existence!
    And yes, someone in the schools set the task to educate not a creator, but a qualified consumer - this also played a role. The bureaucrats felt "thrown" ha ha ha!
  23. +9
    7 June 2018 08: 44
    And what do they believe in? The rogue oligarchs? Young people look at life more progastically. He’s videos about rockets plowing the vast expanses of the Earth to defeat the adversary "to the bottom from the bottom." If in a couple of weeks gasoline jumped to heaven, and this, as I understand it, is not the limit. What long-term investments can you think of? At the UCP surrender in 2007, the deputy politician told me why I did not know about the economic growth indicators outlined in the Address of the President. Six months later, the crisis wailed. Well, what can you predict here. And young people live in a biblical way: live today, because you do not know what will happen tomorrow. "If you humbly follow Jesus' advice and focus on the essentials and care only for one day, then it will be easier to avoid excessive anxiety."
  24. +4
    7 June 2018 08: 44
    The state “threw” their fathers and grandfathers so many times that now they believe only in themselves. And joint schemes, this would be possible to pinch off more, right?
    Invest in your health, education, home and family and you will be happy.
  25. +5
    7 June 2018 08: 48
    It seems to me alone. What did the leadership of the Bank of Russia go off the roof?
    1. +3
      7 June 2018 08: 51
      And here is the Russian bug? Or do you believe in "bad boyars with a good king"?
      1. +5
        7 June 2018 09: 17
        the king we still have ....
        1. +8
          7 June 2018 10: 01
          Wow, he lifted his unwavering friends from his knees, changed his position to the rest ...
  26. +3
    7 June 2018 08: 53
    Whose interests does the Central Bank of the Russian Federation represent ??
    Judging by the rhetoric, it’s not at all the interests of the people living in the Russian Federation am
  27. +18
    7 June 2018 08: 56
    But Gref wanted the youth to invest in Gref and other oligarchs? To Chubais, to Deripaska? Young people see how the state takes care of war veterans once a year (my mother is 95 blind and does not walk. Almost all of my pension is medicine, diapers, diapers. She lives with us, because they would have killed them in charitable establishments. She worked on the railroad during the war seven days a week). Young people see what kind of pension veterans receive: the wife worked as a meteorologist at airports (including 1st class) and at the hydrometeorological station for 40 years! Pension - 9 thousand. Veteran, Honored Meteorologist of Russia, government certificates ... We have to work further. Salary - 9-10 thousand! But automated weather stations with computer processing are absolutely unreliable! May there be more unpredictable hurricanes! Let me explain: the thicker the network of observations, the more reliable and efficient the forecast.
    And now the children see that the parents - plowed, plowed, and in the end - zero!
    And what should children say to the state?
    Fuck it!
    1. 0
      7 June 2018 11: 26
      So I'm waiting for people to go out ...
      1. 0
        8 June 2018 00: 35
        77% are happy with everything. No streets. laughing
  28. +8
    7 June 2018 08: 57
    more than a quarter of Russians (26%) believe that the loan taken from the bank does not have to be repaid, and 38% believe that the bank will not decline if they allow late payments
    Total??? Looking at how candidates for deputies of all stripes and officials of all levels promise something and do practically nothing, the Russians are a very disciplined nation!
    Threat - sorry, the third day they are fulfilling, in anticipation of today's link between GDP and the masses.
  29. +7
    7 June 2018 09: 03
    What is impossible to accumulate in our country has probably already been registered in the genetic code of the young generation based on the mistakes of all previous generations. sad
  30. +5
    7 June 2018 09: 13
    According to the Central Bank, it’s best to work all my life as a slave in galleys and then receive a pension of 12262 rubles (if you still live) and work on ... And die tired. It’s better to see the world.

    Yes, and it makes sense to save, tomorrow something new will come to the minds of politicians and goodbye to the accumulated capital
  31. +13
    7 June 2018 09: 20
    -will invest in themselves, will remain without a pension.
    - The desire to control one’s fate reduces the tolerance for participation in “joint” schemes.
    -----------------------
    Sberbank is very bad, already agitated by agitators on the phone. The last time he openly said, you are deceiving people. The answer was awesome - give us another chance. I had to send .....
    Life suggests Putin is right
    1. +2
      7 June 2018 12: 28
      The answer was awesome - give us another chance. I had to send .....
      Thank you, laughed heartily.
  32. +3
    7 June 2018 09: 20
    Bank of Russia: Young citizens undermine their pension system by investing in themselves

    Excuse ready? For what? Maybe BR wants to razderbanit PF funds?
    Is the youth guilty that they are working in the "shadow" and their own pension fund?
  33. +4
    7 June 2018 09: 25
    Young people are wiser than us ... They do not want to give 35% of what they earn so that they would later receive a pension of a maximum of 14 rubles ... they do not want to feed the banks ... I traveled around the world and I think that if it were made young, then there would be impressions would be a hundred times more ...
  34. +4
    7 June 2018 09: 28
    That is, the Central Bank in this way addresses the young and middle generation of Russians: you will invest in yourself, you will be left without a pension.

    Their logic is clear. BUT cynicism, in this logic, rolls over. Let the capitalist ministers themselves stop “investing in themselves,” you see, and the pension fund will be filled.
  35. +2
    7 June 2018 09: 39
    Not only the Central Bank wants to grab someone else's money. Other banks (where there are relatives of the leaders) and education are "mastered" (for example: every year - new textbooks, the old ones are no longer suitable), and health care, science, customs, trade ....

    So we tolerate developed capitalism however ...
    And smart people do not expect to retire .....
  36. +6
    7 June 2018 09: 42
    An article with conclusions is as empty and delusional as the paragraphs of the Central Bank report. The desire to hide the lack of real content in the intricacies of pseudo-scientific words.
    About investing in yourself and pensions. We live once and why it is not clear where and why it is not clear what, especially considering how this pension system is changing. In my opinion, the only right decision to provide for themselves in old age is correctly raised children in an amount of 2 or more. And you can not think about state pension provision at all. Because the only thing about the pension system I can say for myself is that when I am 60, it will be completely different than now. And most likely more than once during this time will change. And it’s good if only the pension system itself, and not the whole country. It is enough to look into the past at a depth of time equal to the working period in life, and this is about 40 years. Now, 2018 and a person retiring from old age, began to work in 1978 when there was not even a hint of the collapse of the USSR. And 40 years before that, there was 38 years with its repressions and the Great Patriotic War was not far off. Having taken one more step back, we will generally receive the times of the Russian Empire with Emperor Nicholas just ascended to the throne and a situation far from revolution. My grandfather was born in the Russian Empire, my wife's grandfather in the Ottoman Empire, they died while living in the USSR. My wife and my parents were born in the USSR like us, but now they live in the Russian Federation. And knowing all this alignment, should I invest in various kinds of pension funds and other bank savings?
  37. +1
    7 June 2018 09: 42
    There are a lot of screams about banks that make a fool of everyone. Who has Sber, VTB or Alpha tricked? It is clear that if you carry money to an unknown bank, where the interest is higher, then be prepared. By the way, if the contribution is up to 1.4 million, then compensate.
    If you want to idly receive interest in the bank above the inflation, put in dollars and euros. In the west, interest is even lower, while in Switzerland this is generally a negative percentage.
    The problem of pension arose due to the fact that only now the pension system has acquired some kind of harmony and logic. Our system has changed. The country is in negative population growth, there are more and more pensioners, but do we want pensions like in Europe? There, by the way, it’s also not sweet for pensioners and many make ends meet. Simply, many also have their own savings, so they travel the world, and not what the pension allows them.
    I watched a program in Germany about pensioners. It turns out that a fairly decent percentage of them do not have their own housing and rent apartments. This eats up most of the pension. People barely have enough for food and medicine. It seems that the government is meeting there. All sorts of discounts and incentives are provided for them with a long-term lease.
    In general, instead of cursing the whole world, educate your children financially and rely only on yourself.
    1. +4
      7 June 2018 10: 43
      Do not remind the percentage of inflation in Germany over the past 10 years? I recall - 12,84%. less than 1,5% per year on average. When accumulated by private individuals, as it is in Germany, during the course of labor activity, and this is 45 years, 100 euros accumulate at 54000 euros per month, the average percentage on savings deposits is about 2,2%, which is above 1,5% - inflation by 0,7%, that is, over 45 years, only one percent (roughly without annual recursion counted) will get 17010 euros, and by retirement we have 71010 euros, not bad, right?
      For example, in the Russian Federation inflation of 108,4% over 10 years, I did not see a bank interest rate above 8,3% per annum, and even less at NPFs, and what am I going to accumulate over 45 years, feel free to ask? it’s better than real estate, but jewelry, and intangible capital, yes.
      source: https://www.statbureau.org/ru/russia/inflation
      and as for "barely making ends meet," then you need to understand that if you have lived all your life in social housing and have not worked, then there will be no pension accumulations. And yes, there are a lot of nuances in renting housing: there is social housing, rental prices vary by land - in Bavaria it is the most expensive, and by district, so for 300 euros you can find a pretty decent apartment, not in the center, but not in the village.
      don't get fooled by propaganda anymore.
  38. +3
    7 June 2018 09: 48
    The Bank of Russia expresses its concern that citizens decide to invest in themselves, not sharing their savings with the banking sector.

    It is imperative to share with the bank how I can take it at 4,5%, as for the population, only for YOU — a loan from Sberbank on personal terms and only by passport: 550 000 r. at 14,9% per annum for 60 months, payment of 13 rubles. per month. It turns out 056 783 p. that is, an overpayment of 360 rubles. When I came to change the card and offered my money that they had to lie at 233% put under their loan conditions at 360% such a little girl was surprised. Are they probably compensating for their losses from lending to Banderland?
    1. 0
      7 June 2018 09: 54
      The bank should work for free. No, it should work for you. The current high interest on loans includes inflation, risks and the actual funds for servicing the bank itself. Sn, rent, equipment and more. Without interest, only friends will take you
      1. +3
        7 June 2018 09: 56
        Quote: Moskovit
        Without interest, only friends will take you

        And so it turns out I am a friend of Sberbank, who gave his investments for almost thanks?
        1. 0
          7 June 2018 09: 59
          You get 4.5%. Try to take your amount of money and earn such a percentage for the year. And you will understand sber
          1. +3
            7 June 2018 10: 02
            Of course I understand, the main thing is to rip off their citizens more. Therefore, I do not take loans.
            1. 0
              7 June 2018 10: 05
              I’m still telling you, try to make money on your own. And pay taxes on this, as banks do.
              1. -1
                7 June 2018 10: 35
                That is, I have to "understand and forgive" those who can not invest money and make a profit? Let the courtyards of revenge go then. Do you take complaints of a taxi driver about travel difficulties in Moscow to heart? Or complaints from a dentist sitting in a chair with half done work?
                Complaints in our country are masters, and those who know how to work correctly, on time, with the desired result are few.
  39. +8
    7 June 2018 09: 50
    Cool. Invest in banks? What for? So that these banks "live" on your money, and in the end you are robbed? Say no? Personally, I was robbed by banks several times, the first time during the "Pavlovian reform" - they left me simply a beggar, then in 2008, and in 2015 devalued my contributions. Creeping inflation and constant ruble surges that depreciate deposits lead to the fact that any thinking person will not “invest” anything in the long run. But "investing in yourself," in your education, is the most profitable investment for everyone can take away from you except knowledge and skills, which will always be with you and will not allow you to disappear. If we talk about retirement, then no bank investments will save you, because they will depreciate every day and periodically, “jump in half” as a result of which if you could buy a phone for an invested 1000 rubles at first, then in ten years, even with taking into account interest on the deposit, but taking into account the depreciation of the ruble, you can already buy with this money only a couple of bottles of vodka. So, before blaming people for the “wrong” use of the money they earn (and cool bankers already consider this money to be “their own” which, you see, irresponsible citizens carry their “banker's” mouth past!) Let them better stop speculating with the ruble and make its stable so that you can keep money in your accounts without depreciation. And yet, the technology of the “blockchain” will soon, in general, revolutionize and the banking sector will make banks completely unnecessary! Do not feed fat "bank cats" "!
  40. +7
    7 June 2018 09: 59
    this appeal of Sberbank is an attempt to influence domestic investment in the country's economy. In China, up to 40% of domestic investment is the contribution of citizens to the country. The Chinese believe in their country.
    Do we really have someone ready to invest their savings in the country? Give them to Gref, Putin? I think no. Since the oligarchs don’t do this, what can ordinary people do?
    1. +4
      7 June 2018 10: 21
      Our country is the largest exporter of capital: money is pumped out of the country to offshore, London, Switzerland. How much has the Russian Federation invested in Fed bonds - financing US public debt? Answer: for 2018, about $ 100 billion, since 2007, investments have grown 10 times.
      I invested money in my pension ... and with a few manipulations (inflation, ruble depreciation, investments in irrevocable national projects, support of state monopolies due to sanctions) your investments turn into 0 in your account and at the same time into a round figure in the account oligarchs, heads of state companies, large officials.
      Once again, they will tell us the story of "generational solidarity." Perhaps it is better to think about "solidarity" with the people of Sechin, Usmanov, Vekselberg and others?
      1. 0
        8 June 2018 16: 23
        I invested money in my pension ... and with a few manipulations (inflation, ruble depreciation, investments in irrevocable national projects, support of state monopolies due to sanctions) your investments turn into 0 in your account and at the same time into a round figure in the account oligarchs, heads of state companies, large officials.

        This is problem. The state must guarantee and control the PF.
  41. +4
    7 June 2018 09: 59
    Quote: Victor N
    Yes, and now you can go. And they drive, they make good money. And, in fact, they are inviting! But those wishing to EARN less and less! The number of people wishing to GET is growing.

    Where is it interesting? To the north? How many people have already thrown there with salaries.
  42. 0
    7 June 2018 10: 11
    And you go to the ONE STATE REGISTER OF LEGAL ENTITIES, find out information about the legal entity, specifically about the CENTRAL BANK OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION. See what types of licensed activities the Central Bank has. You will be very surprised ...
  43. +3
    7 June 2018 10: 12
    and also students, such bastards, are defending themselves and by profession they have been looking for work for years, also undermining the pension system. fool we’d ride on someone else’s ears, otherwise it’s somehow inconvenient for the Central Bank to hear such nonsense, immediately the question of the competence and level of speaker’s iq arises; the employer all the same deducts the percentage, and how to manage my money without any advisers is clear to me. and IP is a separate issue, these years on the verge of survival, what are the accumulations?
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  45. +1
    7 June 2018 10: 24
    "The country of frightened idiots ..." (c / f "Genius")
    Dmitry Anatolyevich himself said that "... the task of the state is to grow a quality consumer ..."
    Why now complain that this “quality consumer" consumes externally in its own face? If you wanted a cadavre - get it.
    That's just the Strugatsky either did not read or forgot.
  46. +1
    7 June 2018 10: 26
    Our "elite" lives abroad, the local impressions do not suit them and the children are trained there. There is someone to take an example from, tell me that your youth are still not torn for permanent residence.
  47. +1
    7 June 2018 10: 28
    Quote: godun
    After the election, many people “changed their shoes”, and today the GDP will again wisely say how “Ocean’s 13 friends” will live today, and all the rest of the years in ... eleven, and how the new government will be, its next decades, with its titanic work fight for a better life for the common people.

    I liked it, especially about Ocean's 13 friends ... drinks good
  48. +6
    7 June 2018 10: 30
    Well, what can I say those who the existing regime here in the tape defends with cries if only stability and there is no war, it’s the West’s fault, about these comrades Stalin you said you were either fools or traitors,
    All steps of the current government can be called nothing but genocide and the second serfdom ...
    What do we have:
    a huge increase in gas prices that cannot be stopped, long-term contracts on the wholesale market for gasoline have already exceeded 53000 per tonne per brand 92, which says that in autumn we will not see the average price for the country below 50, for comparison, with an average salary of 16000-21000 (specifically in our area) to fill up a full tank becomes just an expensive pleasure, and the family asks to eat, and you know such a thing here the border in our region just moved a couple of hundred meters is already a Kazakhstan gas station and there are 92 for 30 rubles in terms of on ours and which one?
    Therefore, what kind of pension people do not plan a horizon of several decades here would stand a day and hold out ...
    Modern authorities really can’t imagine how ordinary people live and what ... roughly speaking, the country in Jo doesn’t want to fix any of those in power; against this background, a manicure for Shuvalov’s dogs for several thousand pounds is simply embittered and understood, but how It turned out in 17 that the nobles and the bar were cut like hens ....
  49. +1
    7 June 2018 10: 34
    really liked the ending: to simply live to retirement age
  50. +1
    7 June 2018 10: 39
    Well, the Central Bank has long been an anti-state sharaga ... I hope that all the same, the hands of the "people's representatives" will come up and the question of changing the Constitution and returning the Central Bank to baud state control will be advanced! Amen!
  51. +7
    7 June 2018 10: 42
    И еще как плевок в лицо всему народу, ладно Васильеву уже все забыли, хотя конечно уже тогда было все понятно, но вот вчера СК России исключил деньги полковника Захарченко из категории вещь доки по делу о взятках, и теперь их по закону вернут владельцам, ну что можно думать обо всей власти после этого?
    Я вчера после это новости в шоке был, думал ну ничем удивить не получиться, ах нет пожалуйста, сначала они при перевозки 200 лямов потеряли, теперь вообще все вернут, может еще и на повышение пойдет, и что молодежь из этого посыла какой вывод сделает, в том числе и молодые сотрудники? Воруй миллионами, миллиардами, один хрен все вернут если правильно поделиться...
    Я понимаю никто не хочет потрясений, но сама власть своими руками, не Запад, не исламисты, а наши же верховные не могут эффективно управлять, уже ни чем...и сами роют яму государственной машине которая и так уже лет так 30 без вектора движения ни куда не едит...
  52. +5
    7 June 2018 10: 48
    Странные слова - будете вкладываться в самих себя, останетесь без пенсии.
    Да! будут без пенсии но......... с деньгами!
    Парадокс! Деньги и пенсия для населения России две разные вещи не зависимые друг от друга!
    Набиулина беспокоится о своей пенсии. Пенсии чиновников не бальные, а 65-75% от окладов.
    Поэтому и пенсионный возраст поднимают, чтобы отчисления на ИХ пенсию больше было. А у населения потолок сколько бы не получал - 18 700
    Правильно говорят - " У нас в стране все равны!..... Только одни РОВНЕЕ!"
    1. 0
      8 June 2018 21: 18
      Вы не нойте, а выбирайте и дальше алчных упырей из Едра и ГОСПОДИНА Путина.
  53. +4
    7 June 2018 11: 02
    Вот ведь какая безответственная молодежь... Вкладывается в себя, а не в карманы чиновников. Прекратить! Запретить!!! РАССТРЕЛЯТЬ!!!!
    1. +1
      7 June 2018 11: 12
      Reserve buildbat
      Вот ведь какая безответственная молодежь... Вкладывается в себя, а не в карманы чиновников. Прекратить! Запретить!!! РАССТРЕЛЯТЬ!!!!

      Вот ведь какая штука.... стрелять нельзя! Смертную казнь отменили!....
      Потому что одни должны вкладывать в пенсионную систему... а другие должны её пользовать!
      Чиновники сейчас взятки у граждан не берут.... Они пенсиями и зарплатами брать стали.
    2. +1
      7 June 2018 14: 11
      Иван, привет hi Ну что ты такое говоришь?
      РАССТРЕЛЯТЬ!!!!

      Опять на них (на чиновников) деньги тратить? recourse
      Только на кол! Пусть собственный вес этих деятелей в последний раз на пользу государства поработает. wink
      1. +3
        7 June 2018 14: 30
        Good day, Sergey! hi
        Мой коммент был иронией и расстрелять предлагалось такую безответственную молодёжь laughing А то они так после введения налога на воздух станут меньше дышать!
        1. +1
          7 June 2018 15: 45
          Я его понял правильно, а переиначил спецом. Тебя пока не заинтересуешь разговором, так и неделями можно не увидеть на сайте. drinks
  54. 0
    7 June 2018 11: 08
    ростовщики негодуют - это хорошо.
    Самосознание народа проясняется.
    Если государство не заботится о своих народах, то и народ не обязан заботится о государстве.
    1. 9PA
      +4
      7 June 2018 11: 12
      Почему простые люди должны кормить судей, прокуроров, народных избранников и т.д. ? Максимально в тень нужно уходить, свободные средства конвертировать в валюту. Строить максимально автономные частные дома. Если много денег искать пути вывода средств под международную юрисдикцию
  55. +3
    7 June 2018 11: 35
    Стоит отделять иногда мух от котлет.

    С одной стороны, странно ожидать от кого-либо склонности к долгосрочному планированию, если последние три десятка лет ситуация норовила измениться до неузнаваемости чуть не каждую минуту, и у всех на слуху жалобы на потерянные накопления в результате тех или иных реформ или потрясений. А ведь молодёжь другой жизни и не видела, и пресловутая "стабильность" для неё - фольклорный персонаж, вроде кикиморы. Да и призывы к потреблению и впариваемые из каждого утюга кредиты тоже к сбережениям не располагают.

    С другой стороны, любая пенсионная стратегия, вообще говоря, является "совместной схемой" - отошедший от дел гражданин живёт, потребляя ресурсы, создаваемые другими, различаются лишь механизмы перераспределения: кто-то копил деньги или откладывал их посредством пенсионных взносов, кто-то закупал активы с прицелом извлечения в дальнейшем дохода путём сдачи их в аренду, кто-то воспитывал детей, чтобы они поддерживали его в старости, вариантов масса. В любом случае всё упирается в наличие достаточного количества работников, готовых платить взносы либо покупать ресурсы, а вот с этим у нынешней молодёжи, возможно, будут проблемы.
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  57. +1
    7 June 2018 11: 48
    черта с два вам, а не отчисления в ПФР.
  58. +1
    7 June 2018 11: 53
    у банка не убудет, если они допустят просрочку платежей,...И? в чем они не правы?
  59. +2
    7 June 2018 11: 58
    Фиг тебе ЦБ а не вложения! Поднимите пенсионный возраст лет до ста, а мне вкладывать? - да идите на.... am
  60. +2
    7 June 2018 12: 00
    Просто слов нет. Не когда не доверял государству и не буду. Ни когда не буду держать деньги в банках.
  61. +1
    7 June 2018 12: 19
    Ну очень хочется спросить "наш" Центробанк: " А сколько раз вы с 1980 по 2000 год лоховали народ? И какое после этого к нему будет доверие?
  62. +2
    7 June 2018 12: 40
    Со всеми этими свистоплясками в области пенсионки
    нет никакого желания туда вкладываться.
    Потому как выглядит это как шулерство.
    И нет веры государству в том, что
    твои вложения не сгорят во время очередной реформы.
  63. DPN
    +3
    7 June 2018 12: 43
    Молодёжь правильно себя ведёт, старшее поколение мечтало жить при коммунизме были мечты,а его зашвырнули обратно в капитализм ,где кучка имеет все прелести жизни,а остальные пиво глушат такова жизнь. Молодёжи какой то части ещё повезло что досталось бесплатноё советское жильё от родителей ,своего же её не видать как своих ушей,не сможет накопить.
  64. +1
    7 June 2018 15: 00
    Полагаю, грамотные люди знают, в какое путешествие куда направить Центробанк России вместе с его продажными гнилому Западу шавками в управлении..
  65. +2
    7 June 2018 15: 10
    Вот сначала пенсионная система вместе с горячо любимым ЦБ выдаст на-гора поколение-другое счастливых и довольных, на зависть молодежи, пенсионеров, вот тогда и будет "Пенсионер -всем ребятам пример".
    Пока же видим что: Если ты всю жизнь будешь как лох вкалывать, добросовестно отчисляя все что положено и сверх того что еще будет положено - то в старости будешь жить очень бедно, хотя и честно. А вот те , кто живут нечестно, по какому -то случайному совпадению и небедно!
    Поэтому, рад за Сахибзадовну, что она первой из леберастов это заметила, только вот выводы, боюсь, будут сделаны левые. Что только вот через банки молодежь вообще сможет жить и дышать, и отнюдь не добровольно.
    Кстати смотрю "Прямую линию", поражен вопросом 38-летней блогерши, чтобы сделать "блогеров" легальной уважаемой профессией. Я вот не понял: она правда что-ли хочет на ровном месте платить из своих заработков подоходный налог и соц отчисления, да еще отчеты в налоговую сдавать? А говорят молодежь несознательная!
  66. +1
    7 June 2018 15: 17
    Центробанку, Минфину и банкам следует больше думать об интересах граждан. В царской России считалось, что богатство государства полностью зависит от богатства подданных. Это верный подход. А сейчас Центробанк, Минфин и банки заняты только разработкой схем по отжатию жизненных благ у граждан. От этого страдает экономика страны, снижается ВВП. Больше того, государство поддерживает лишь те проекты, которые работают на экспорт, а не на внутренний рынок. Для России это большая глупость.
  67. +1
    7 June 2018 15: 28
    Такое впечатление, что в правительстве и ГД никто не знает, что базой для отчислений в ПФ является фонд оплаты труда. Чем выше зарплата работников, тем больше отчислений в ПФ. Обратите внимание, когда ВВП говорит об индексации пенсий, про индексацию зарплат эдак подленько умалчивает. А откуда брать пенсии? Только из бюджета, а значит снова на зарплатах надо экономить! Замкнутый круг.
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  69. 0
    7 June 2018 18: 51
    У нас нет преемственности власти и ответственности ,никто не несет за принятые решения,а так бы могли вспомнить куда подевались накопления граждан СССР ? Играть с государством в азартные игры - дорого слишком обходиться! А современное государство взяло на себя ответственность растить людей - потребителей и хочет от них трезвого взгляда Вся идеология направлена на то что бы ты стал богатым - укради , обмани, но стань богатым .Вот от сюда такие перегибы,люди живут в сараях ,а передвигаются по городу на Мерседесе !
  70. 0
    8 June 2018 16: 17
    Quote: INTER
    It is not youth who should think about the pension system, but the state about youth, and will young people survive to retirement? Or is it a promise to introduce a parasitism tax so that from 18 to 65 everyone pays tribute to the pension system?

    У нас по закону компания обязана платить 9 процентов от зарплаты в пенсионный фонд. За нал работать не выгодно.Когда подходит пенсия на счету сотни тысяч долларов. Вот и путешествуют пенсионеры и отрываются на эти деньги.
    К тому же до 55-ти я не могут взять эти деньги, но я могу их инвестировать в различные фонды внутри пенсионного фонда, что я и делаю, с чего получаю добавочный доход в 10 процентов.
    Желаю россиянам такую же систему.
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