Will the military department in the universities of the Russian Federation be canceled?

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation proposed the abolition of the institute of military departments in Russian universities. The corresponding initiative was submitted to the lower house of the Russian parliament for consideration by the government of the country. In particular, the essence of the proposal is that instead of the existing military departments in Russian universities, military training centers appear.

The website of the government reports on the objectives of this kind of reform. Among the arguments - the reform will allow more efficiently (together - the Ministry of Defense and the university) to use the existing teaching and material base, training weapons and military equipment.

It is proposed to replace several types of structural units (military departments) in higher education institutions with a single type of military training units. These units will become (with the approval of the initiative of parliamentarians) military training centers.

It is known that the bill itself was discussed by the government on May 30. At the same time, members of the Cabinet of Ministers of the Russian Federation approved the initiative of the Ministry of Defense. Now it's up to the State Duma deputies.

Today in Russia there are up to fifty universities with military departments, among which (according to the federal portal "Education"): Voronezh State University, Far Eastern Federal University, Moscow aviation Institute, Moscow Technological University, Tomsk State University, St. Petersburg State University, Sevastopol State University, etc.

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[Baloo]

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation made a proposal to abolish the institute of military departments in Russian universities.

Only not in medical schools the wrong international situation and the behavior of neighbors . Here, the newcomer bridgeheads under our fences create Everyone wants a fire to inflate.

[DrVintorez]

Duck in medical schools for a long time there are no departments. Well, maybe a couple of universities in the whole country remained.

[Baloo]

Quote: DrVintorez

Duck in medical schools for a long time there are no departments. Well, maybe a couple of universities in the whole country remained.

So you need to rediscover

[ancestors from Don]

So in civilian honey there seems to be no separate military departments, specialized training is being carried out on specializations, taking into account the ability to provide first aid.

[_Sergei_]

Even in medical schools, in a new way in colleges, there is military training and at the end they are awarded ranks. I have a daughter-in-law a medical assistant - a stock sergeant.

[seregatara1969]

two nephews graduated from Fershalov and do not know the composition of the individual medical kit and did not hear about military field training (for Fershalov) at all - graduated with honors

[sso-xnumx]

Concerning military training in medical universities I answer everyone right away! There is such a SCIENCE - OTMS (Organization and tactics of medical support for troops in peace and war)! I still had to train a young and green lieutenant in the SA not only by organization questions, but also by a number of issues related to the diagnosis and treatment of certain diseases (well, we didn’t have pink deprived patients at the Clinical Hospital Department), and after graduating from the Navy I had to face it, thanks to the paramedic my ensign, Zhemchugov Valentin Petrovich, quickly taught the dunce lieutenant with a higher medical education what, what. And about the current, if I may say so “doctors,” I’m generally silent! ONE of hundreds (and even if crammed) will be able to remember something on military medicine! The system for treating BATTLE trauma is not currently being studied in civilian medical schools, and if it is studying, it is not remembered "because it will not affect us." And this is not even counting a bunch of all kinds of disciplines - Military hygiene and epidemiology, Military field surgery and therapy, Military radiology and toxicology, naval and aviation medicine, OTMS by combat arms and forces in accordance with their specifics, And besides this, military topography , military tactics to the level of Nachmed division, general tactics to the level of regiment commander, and so on according to the list of duties ....... Yes, current graduates of medical schools will need another year and a half of intensive study in these centers with a degree in military doctor, which if he could at least do something in the army in wartime !!! And if such a current graduate comes to the unit, then the commander will be on hr. , sorry, I don’t know what he knows and what he doesn’t know, “Tyzhvrach”, you were taught ... "Estimate the sanitary and irrevocable losses with such unfortunate medical specialists. The contingent that the Military Medical" Akamedia "is releasing today there’s not enough time, now they’ll work out the contract and fade for a civilian, and if they are called up to a regiment or ship, they won’t go, "I’m a therapist, surgeon, sexopathologist, neurologist, obstetrician, etc. I’ll work in this specialty. "This is my friend's situevina .... Think at your leisure about the transience of being .......

[DrVintorez]

Quote: sso-250659

And about the current, if I may say so “doctors,” I’m generally silent! ONE of hundreds (and even if crammed) will be able to remember something on military medicine!

Yes, there is now no military medicine in civilian medical schools.

Quote: sso-250659

And if such a current graduate comes to the unit, then the commander will be on hr. , sorry, nevermind what he knows and what he doesn’t know, "Tyzhvrach", you were taught ... "

the commander will not care for the soldier (maximum sergeant). runs a medical instructor.

about combat trauma, military epidemics, radiology, etc. in the program it is (well, it was at least), but it has not been studied in any way: it was given to self-training. there were classes at the department of "military and extreme medicine" (the former war), but this was practically a formality. often on the exam, if military issues were encountered, then the teachers turned a blind eye to them. so what? the military department slammed, the program is still old. students go out as ordinary. nobody cares. only a few of them knew the war, both from the students and the teachers.

[New Year day]

Quote: sso-250659

And that's not counting a bunch of all kinds of disciplines

to all of the above, we were taught how to plot a ship. After the internship and oath, officer epaulettes.

[PalBor]

Do not understand. So these centers will still be at universities? The point is what? Reassignment?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: PalBor

So will these centers still be at universities? What is the point?

Maybe in order not to produce thousands of non-demolitionists. Although I myself did not understand what was the catch

[kepmor]

yes, drop it off ... any graduate of at least a university in the Moscow Region, or even a military department of a university, a priori a "non-lieutenant" ...
a departure-approach worked out ... from theory the head swells ... and that's it ...
and then begins the real formation and training of military affairs in units ... "instilling love" for military affairs by creating unbearable conditions of service ... but in any other way ...
VP centers are of course needed, BUT ... without running in the "under-lieutenants" in combat units (ships), the result will tend to zero ...

[Sergey ippon]

correctly reported.

[venik]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Maybe in order not to produce thousands of non-demolitionists.

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And this is the QUESTION - "WHO WHO Actually"NON-ADMINISTRATORS"???
We have in RTV, just exactly “jackets” (two-year-olds) and were the most PREPARED !!! No, of course during the USSR, there were Schools that trained cool specialists!
But there were also such "shoe workshops" that produced "degenerative ignoramuses" !!! Yes Yes!!! Let the “boots” not be offended (among them lot there were very cool specialists! Our company - captain (name) I do not call - in electronics, "rummaged" like GOD !!!
But there were absolute dumbasses!!
So that "hello" from "jacket" Soviet army!!!!

[siberalt]

Another "optimization", however. So far, nothing good has come of it.

[PalBor]

Explained to me. In fact, 54 military departments are reduced to 37, enlarged and renamed. Students from other universities are also training at these centers. Type. Again, some kind of muddy muddy. Savings are saved.

[KVU-NSVD]

"Hands off military departments .." Wicked Pidge ..

[DrVintorez]

Departments need to be restored where they were closed. even if they call centers, at least somehow, but they need to be restored. and the sooner the better. Departments gave mobrezerv.

[Tank hard]

We did not have a military department in the gym. The demand came to me at the draft board, they gave me a direction, I myself arrived at the unit. So, I don’t even know what to say here ...

[Altona]

Quote: DrVintorez

Departments need to be restored where they were closed. even if they call centers, at least somehow, but they need to be restored. and the sooner the better. Departments gave mobrezerv.

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The military departments, with all their shortcomings, were an element of universal military readiness, so that any civilian had an idea of ​​what he would do in wartime, when he was overtaken by general mobilization. If projected at the present time, then this is a "vestigial" (conditional atavism of a bygone USSR state) as well as much that was mobile reserves, garrisons and bases in other states. What will the Unified Training Center do? Will give a single training-action motorized rifle company in the battalion? Any VUS (military specialty) will not be? All will be conditional motorized rifles, no sappers, signalmen, road builders and other support?

[DrVintorez]

Quote: Altona

What will the Unified Training Center do? Will give a single training-action motorized rifle company in the battalion? Any VUS (military specialty) will not be? All will be conditional motorized rifles, no sappers, signalmen, road builders and other support?

I don’t quite understand why this question is for me.
I’m just for the restoration of the kafder in the form as they were: in a medical university they graduate medical officers, the radio faculty - "radio operators", etc. etc. and as they call it, it makes no difference. we have already renamed the police into the police, changed something?

[Altona]

Quote: DrVintorez

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DrVintorez (Danil) Today, 14:52 ↑
Quote: Altona
What will the Unified Training Center do? Will give a single training-action motorized rifle company in the battalion? Any VUS (military specialty) will not be? All will be conditional motorized rifles, no sappers, signalmen, road builders and other support?

I don’t quite understand why this question is for me.
I’m just for the restoration of the kafder in the form as they were: in a medical university they graduate medical officers, the radio faculty - "radio operators", etc. etc. and as they call it, it makes no difference. we have already renamed the police into the police, changed something?

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No, the question is not for you. Your comment is taken simply as a thesis, as an epigraph.
In general, the actions of the authorities are somehow unsystematic and convulsive, designed for population groups, since it is dangerous to rally people, they trampled the Crimean spring somehow. Therefore, how will we defend ourselves if there are no factories, ammunition depots, and other things that were in the USSR? Counting on just a millionth army is silly and ridiculous? Expecting that our “tiger” government will suddenly become Stalin’s Headquarters is even more stupid; rather, it will make Putin’s “breakthrough” into the camp of the enemy.

[friend of animals]

Military departments are a useless thing, a relic of the past, only time is taken from students. They don’t really teach anything there, all grades and visits can be bought, including leaving the fees early.

[DrVintorez]

with the same success, we can say that the university, in principle, is a relic of the past and a useless thing. You can buy everything. They say people generally buy diplomas without going to college. and whoever wants to receive knowledge will receive it.

[friend of animals]

No, you can't say that. Because the diploma will come in handy anyway. Because people go to college to get the knowledge and specialty that they have chosen, and they are not interested in spending time preparing for a hypothetical war. This hypothetical war is a relic of the past. And this nonsense permeates everything related to the military department: teachers, students, the entire educational process. As a result, budget money money is thrown to the wind.

[DrVintorez]

Quote: friend of beasts

Because the diploma will come in handy anyway.

Duck and military will come in handy. to slope away from the army. I recommend immediately taking in bulk so that students do not take time. diploma + military department.

Quote: friend of beasts

As a result, budget money money is thrown to the wind.

a nation that does not want to feed its army will feed a stranger.

[friend of animals]

Mow from the army, becoming an officer?

And where does your own / alien army. Nobody perceives graduates of military departments as officers in reality, even conscripts. And they know almost nothing, because the educational process at the military department is the departure of the room by all its participants. So for what purpose are they being trained?

[DrVintorez]

Mob Reserve And, I’ll tell you a secret, many went to institutes with a military commander precisely for the purpose of getting two stars and mowing down from the army.

And I will repeat it. If you do not want to receive knowledge, nobody will be able to force you. You pay off, hose, etc., etc. And whoever wants it will receive knowledge and practice. My father, being a jacket, was promoted to colonel of medical service. Do you think that conscripts really didn’t put him in anything? Maybe he really didn’t know anything? He’s probably not an officer at all.

[friend of animals]

Probably all this happened in another era and now this approach does not work?

[DrVintorez]

Quote: friend of animals

Probably all this happened in another era and now this approach does not work?

what is "such"? specify the question

[friend of animals]

Soviet approach. But people have changed, the prestige of the army is not the same, and there is little sense left. How do you imagine the situation when this mobility reserve will be involved?

[DrVintorez]

And he will not be involved. He is already gone. And if you think that serious wars are impossible, then this is exclusively your point of view. There is no point in arguing. Well, I leave the words about the prestige of the army on your conscience.

[Sands Careers General]

In Lugansk, on the contrary, the military departments were restored at the university. And then they want to exchange one for the other, why? After all, the same thing will happen. Saw money? Maybe.

[vladimirvn]

As I understand it, the centers should give high-quality general military training. A special educational institution.

[bk316]

Muddy is a thing VK. Although I taught at Moscow State University and graduated from the department (after term), I still don’t know if their existence is useful or not. I can only say for sure that they graduate from under-lieutenants (even in comparison with the universities of the Moscow region) absolutely none. About fees generally no words. Now, if VK graduates for an urgency of all then, it may make sense.

[private person]

But really, why are these departments needed? They do not prepare worthy officers, and why not spend the money on it to produce a shusher? It is better to redirect these funds to the training of military school officers.

[DrVintorez]

Quote: private person

But really, why are these departments needed?

mobilization reserve.
well, or they’ll put so many doctors right after the call right on the line of fire. in the form of soldiers or sergeants, when they will run directly under the bullets in the role of "orderlies".

[Karenius]

I don’t think so ... From personal experience ... And from the experience of my friends ... those who are now citizens of the Russian Federation and they are invited to the service for sending to Syria, knowing about their experience.

[DrVintorez]

Post why? Yes, simply because of the severe shortage of medical officers.

[Karenius]

Quote: DrVintorez

Post why? Yes, simply because of the severe shortage of medical officers.

Dear, you have mixed up the addressee ... My friends are infantrymen.

[DrVintorez]

To blame. But the essence does not change, unfortunately

[Karenius]

I want to tell you how two-year-olds are fighting ...
In the war of the 90s, our two soldiers were captured by the enemy ... they were tied to a tree, they began to rip off their skin. It is not known whether the Turks, Turks or Afghans did this, of which there were many.
The soldiers could not stand it, they began to moan ... The company commander was a two-year-old, a man of age ... Unable to stand it, he went to the tankmen with a demand - to go on the attack - to repel our boys from the enemy ... The tankman began to explain what he knew: a single tank in battle is itself defenseless against an RPG. The company commander, having placed his machine gun at the head of the tankman, explained to him the truth of life: "... You have a choice: either die in battle as a hero, or be shot like a zasranets."
The tanker started the car, the guys jumped on him ... When they entered the enemy zone, the enemy did not believe their eyes. The guys said that one of the enemies with his RPG, like a traffic cop with his rod, began to tell our tanker which roadside to leave. A battle ensued ... the company commander died ... only he, alone. The tankman turned back ... All shots from the RPG ricocheted, machine-gun fire only wounded the rest ...
So biennial war ...

[Alex_Bora]

I know several students who specifically entered the university with a military department in order to serve as an officer later. And you say slope. It happens differently

[Glory1974]

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation made a proposal to abolish the institute of military departments in Russian universities.

Nothing is clear from the news. The institute of military departments does not exist as we know it before the Serdyukov reforms. Students who study at a university with a military department, according to the plan, are involved in classes at the educational material base of VUNCs (military educational and scientific centers), and at the end of the year, as a rule, monthly fees are in the territories and using the base of military units. What do students prepare for both sergeant programs and officer programs. Accordingly, after graduation, the rank is assigned to either “sergeant” or “lieutenant”.

[mi ah]

Why command a biennial / jacket tank or platoon? The forming word is to command, this must be done by people who must have gone through a military school. But there are other categories of officers - for example, aviation technicians and engineers from graduating from a civilian university are excellent. I know what I'm talking about.

[mi ah]

My flag is incorrectly displayed

[M. Michelson]

If in such centers ordinary specialists of the reserve will be trained, it is possible. Get rid of the "reserve lieutenants", this shameful fiction.
In general, it would be worthwhile to think that specialists in the army had a separate line of ranks (as before the war).

[gorenina91]

-Yes, who needs them ... -these "half-educated officers" ... -the real laughing stock ...