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How the British "discovered" Russia

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The British, "opening" Russia, tried to subjugate Moscow. However, Ivan the Terrible did not allow himself to be replayed and turned Russia into a semi-colony.


The end of the 15th century was the epoch of the Grand Geographical Discoveries. Europeans discovered a huge world - America, Africa, Asia, islands of the Indian and Pacific Oceans. Spain and Portugal divided the world into "spheres of influence" and built the first colonial empires. The Spaniards and the Portuguese sent dozens of expeditions and hundreds of ships, launching a colossal seizure and plunder of "open" lands. For hundreds of tribes and nations, civilizations and cultures, this “discovery” turned into a lot of blood, enslavement, genocide and death. European predators carried civilization only in words and were benefactors, in fact they were murderers and marauders whose main goal was enrichment at any price, as well as the seizure of foreign lands already for systematic plunder.

England, France, Holland and other European countries tried to join this "feast", but the Spaniards and the Portuguese jealously guarded their possessions. The British, French and Dutch could not immediately break their monopoly, for this they had to wage a hard and bloody struggle. Therefore, the countries of Northern Europe simultaneously tried to find new ways to the southern seas, China and India through the polar waters. These paths seemed to many shorter and safer from the attacks of the Portuguese and Spanish pirates. In addition, in the north it was possible to buy, mine, exchange or take away precious furs and other goods. In the 16th century, English and Dutch mariners undertook several expeditions to find the North-Eastern (around Siberia) and North-Western (around Canada) passages and exit into the Pacific Ocean.

At the beginning of 1551 in England, the company “Society of merchants, seekers of countries and possessions, unknown and hitherto unvisited sea routes” (Moscow Company) was created specifically for the opening of the Northeast Passage. It was headed by the famous traveler S. Cabot, who had the title of "Great Navigator of England." In 1553, the company sent out an expedition of three ships: “Bon Esperanza” (“Good Hope”) under the command of Willoughby, “Edward Bonaventure” (“Edward Udalets”) under the command of Chanceler and “Bon Con Confidenza” (“Good Hope”) under the command Cornelia Durfert.

The ship, commanded by Chancellor (Chancellor), hit the storm off the Lofoten Islands and separated from the other two ships. Willobi on two ships reached the Barents Sea and Novaya Zemlya. For some time he walked along the coast, and then turned south. In September 1553, he anchored in the mouth of the Varzina River, where he died with a crew of two ships during the wintering season. Chansler safely sailed to the White Sea. 24 August 1553, he entered Dvina Bay and landed in the bay of Sts. Nicholas, where he was then Nicholas Korelsky monastery. Chensler went to Kholmogory, where he introduced himself to the governor Fofan Makarov. The voevoda sent the Englishman to Moscow, to Tsar Ivan Vasilyevich. In Moscow, the English captain received an audience with the king. Chansler handed Ivan IV a letter from Edward VI, written in several languages ​​to all northern rulers. In response, the king allowed the English merchants to trade in Russia. The Swedes and Poles led the economic blockade of Russia, blocking the way through the Baltic, so the northern route remained the last free sea route. This was the beginning of Russian trade with England.

In February 1554, Chensler left Moscow. Due to the death of Edward, Chancesler presented the letter to Queen Mary and with his news caused great joy in London. Travelers were honored as heroes, because they brought furs, Persian silk and Indian spices. In England, talking about the "discovery" of Russia. The fact that the Russians themselves were in England, not to mention other European countries, was preferred to be forgotten. Both the authorities and the merchants were interested in trade with Russia and the opportunities that opened up ties with Moscow. Through Russia it was possible to penetrate further to the East. The company was renamed “Moscow Company” (it existed until 1917). The new company received a patent from Queen Maria Tudor for monopoly trade with Russia. This company marked the beginning of the transformation of England into a great trading power. Such companies were a kind of "states in the state", military-political and trade organizations, with the help of which England penetrated into other regions of the world and enslaved them. The company had the right to issue its own rules, punish members of the company, have its sergeants, build and equip its ships, trade in all ports, make conquests and acquire countries and cities in open lands, oppose the joint actions of foreigners trading in Russia.

How the British "discovered" Russia

Fragment of an old engraving. Richard Chansler at a reception at Ivan the Terrible

In 1555, Chensler once again went to Moscow. The king again graciously met an enterprising Briton and issued a discount letter for an English company. The letter gave the right to free and duty-free trade in wholesale and retail, to build courtyards in Kholmogory and Vologda (the courtyards were not taxed), presented a courtyard in Moscow at the church of St. Maxim, the company could have its own court, the court performed the royal treasurer when considering trade cases. The customs officers, governors and governors did not have the right to interfere in the trading business of the company, the company could hire Russian clerks. Chansler returned to England. With him to the embassy to the Queen of England drove deacon of the embassy order Osip Nepey. Off the coast of Scotland, the ship "Good enterprise" crashed. Chensler died, and Nepea arrived in London and was received by the queen. Goods and gifts for the queen were lost and looted by the Scots (coastal piracy is common for those times coastal fishing in Europe). But England’s interest in trade with Russia at that time was so great that Nepei was greeted like a prince. A friendship agreement was concluded, the Russians were allowed to recruit specialists for the tsarist service. Nephey immediately brought a lot of craftsmen, doctors, miners, etc.

Annually from England began to arrive caravans of ships. They marched around Norway and Sweden to the mouth of the Dvina. Other powers have also learned about the road to the Russian North. The Dutch sent their ships. The British were protesting against competitors. But in this matter, Ivan Vasilyevich observed Russian interests. Why give a monopoly to the British to dictate their prices? The Dutch were bargained at Kemi.

The British were still looking for a sea route to China. In 1557, a member of the company, Anthony Jenkinson, offered the king to open a trade route to China through Bukhara. The British had information that caravans were going to China from Bukhara. The king allowed travel to Astrakhan. From Astrakhan Jenkinson went to Bukhara. In Bukhara, he learned that caravans no longer go to China. In 1561, Jenkinson came to Moscow once more and offered to open a trade route to Persia. At this time in Moscow was the Persian envoy. Jenkinson, along with the envoy, traveled to Astrakhan. The trip was unsuccessful. Persia received European goods from the Ottoman Empire.

It is clear that the British "friendship" was not sincere. Establishing the Moscow company, Queen Maria introduced into her charter a secret item, which forbade selling to Russians weapon. In the meantime, Chansler conducted negotiations in Moscow, Captain Barrow was engaged in reconnaissance in the North. I found out whether it is possible to get from the White Sea to Lake Onega and made a trip to the east. The British tried to find a way to China or other countries, weaker than the Russians, so that they could be declared possessions of England.

In 1567, the company received the right of duty-free trade. The company received the right to build courtyards in different cities, to hire Russian workers. The company had its yards in Novgorod, Pskov, Yaroslavl, Kazan, Astrakhan, Kostroma, Ivangorod. But in 1569, Grozny restricted the rights of the company, the company could enter Kazan and Astrakhan with the permission of the tsar. The company had to pay half of the customs fees. The king at this time led through Jenkinson talks about an alliance with Queen Elizabeth against the Catholic world, in particular, Poland. The Protestant powers resisted the Catholic. The king offered the queen to forbid her subjects to trade with the Poles. Russia needed weapons and military materials. Ivan also offered to add an asylum clause to the text of the agreement if someone was overthrown by traitors. But Elizabeth was not interested.

Soon began a new phase of negotiations on the union of Russia and England. Now England was a more interested party. The British wanted to lure the Terrible by marriage, in order to increase his influence through his wife and her entourage. The brides offered Maria Hastings, who was the queen's niece to the mother. First, the British wanted to restore the full privileges of the British and that Moscow should protect the British from competition. The Russians lost Narva, and the Dutch, German, French merchants, who carried goods there, went to the White Sea. And the British wanted to keep the monopoly. You can see the example of Turkey, with which England entered into an agreement in 1580, about what kind of trade union the British wanted to impose on Russia. Without undertaking any obligations, the British for their formal "friendship" got exemption from duties, a monopoly on the Levantine trade, settled in Istanbul as at home, received extraterritoriality and quickly got Porto "around the neck", sucking all the juices out of the Ottoman Empire. As a result, the Turkish Empire financially and economically became a semi-colony of England and France, which began to use the Turks as cannon fodder in the fight against Russia.

Secondly, now the British themselves needed a military alliance with Russia. The situation for England was then dangerous. The British pretty much got Catholic Europeans with their support for the Huguenots and the Dutch Protestants. Against England were Rome, Catholic France, the German emperor, Venice, and then powerful Spain, which in 1580 - 1851. swallowed Portugal and doubled its fleet. The Spaniards threatened to land the landing army in England. War was brewing - it will start in 1585. And in England itself was restless. The British elite feared that the simple British would meet the Spaniards as liberators. Under Elizabeth, the authorities staged a real terror against the common people — fencing, mass destruction of peasants, hangers for vagrants and eerie work houses for the poor, where workers were quickly “squeezed” to death.

Therefore, now an alliance with Russia was needed by London. Marriage union would have secured. The British were testing the ground for the heir, so that they would become the future son of an Englishwoman. The king was an experienced diplomat and decided to "play along". In the summer of 1582, the Fyodor Pisemsky Embassy set off for London. As a result, the negotiations did not lead to success. England did not want a direct alliance with Russia against Poland and Sweden. Grozny was not going to give the British additional trade benefits. And the heir was to be Prince Fedor. Negotiations are deadlocked. The British once again tried to bargain - they sent the embassy of Jeronim Bowes to Moscow in October 1583. But without success. The Russian tsar quickly saw through the British and concluded: “Elizabeth“ wants to be with us in the final (union) word, not deed, ”and Bowes arrived with“ idle talk ”.

From now on, British agents appear in Russia. England was one of the first to use the "Knights of the Cape and the Dagger", which could combine government and commercial activities. So, among them was Jerome Horsey, who In 1573 - 1591 lived in Russia (with interruptions), and managed the office of a Moscow company. Virtually nothing is known about what Jerome was doing before leaving Russia. There are suggestions that he served as a "servant" of the Moscow company. There is also no documentary evidence about the first seven years of his service in Russia. Horsey was close to the royal court after the execution of the secret commission of Ivan IV to Elizabeth, but he clearly overestimated his value in his writings at Grozny. But under Boris Godunov, he was already the closest adviser.


Ivan the Terrible shows the treasures of Jerome Gorsay. Painting A. Litovchenko

It is believed that the British became the organizers of the poisoning of Tsar Ivan Vasilyevich. Historian G. Sokolov, specialist in stories confrontations of the Russian and Western intelligence services, claimsThe British poisoned the Russian tsar. In September, English physicians, headed by Dr. Standish, were brought to Moscow by the tsar in 1557. Then, a graduate of Cambridge Eliseus Bomelius (Elisha Bomelius), a doctor, an alchemist, an astrologer, arrived from London, part-time, apparently, a spy for the British crown. Became a long time favorite and personal physician of Ivan the Terrible. In Russia, he was hated. The Pskov Chronicle of 1570 of the year directly called the British doctor "a fierce magician", "an evil heretic", specially sent to Ivan IV by foreigners, so that the tsar would impose fierceness on the Russian people, and pretend to love the Germans (that is, foreigners).

It is believed that Ivan the Terrible trusted him completely and even consulted with him on personal and some important state issues. In particular, he discussed the plan for his marriage to Queen Elizabeth. “A scoundrel and a vagabond,” wrote the Russian historian Nikolai Karamzin about him. “Having sought access to the king, he fell in love with him with his machinations; he harbored fear and suspicion; ink boyars and people predicted riots and revolts to please the unfortunate disposition of the soul of John. " After they got rid of Bomeliya, he was accused of “intercourse with letters written in Latin and Greek, with the kings of Poland and Sweden” and executed, - Elizabeth sends the king of the new physician, Robert Jacobi. “I give my husband, the most skilled in healing diseases, to you, my brother, not for me not to need him, but for what you need. You can safely entrust him your health. I send with it, in your favor, pharmacists and barbers, by will and captivity, although we ourselves have a lack of such people. " Obviously, he was an agent of the English crown and also tried to bring an English bride to Moscow by painting the niece of Queen Maria to Grozny.

Thus, for a long time, until his death, the Russian sovereign was surrounded by English subjects. And he died quite unexpectedly. He was just 53 year, which is not so much for the ruler. When, in Soviet times, in the Archangel Cathedral of the Moscow Kremlin, the tombs of Ivan the Terrible, his sons Ivan and Fyodor were opened, the experts found that the content of mercury in the bones of the tsar and Tsarevich Ivan was 32 times higher than the allowable rate! And mercury, as is known, is a very strong poison. In addition, the arsenic and lead content was exceeded several times in the remains of the father and eldest son. Similarly, the king's first wife, Anastasia, was poisoned. It is obvious that Tsar Ivan the Terrible, during which important reforms were carried out, Russia became a powerful military power and increased its territory almost 2 times (!), Eliminated. Together with him they ruined the whole dynasty of Rurikovich, causing the most severe and bloody Russian Troubles. Question: Who did this? The conspirators-boyars or foreign enemies: Rome, the Jesuits, the Poles and the British?
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 5 June 2018 05: 26
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    The British, "opening" Russia, tried to subjugate Moscow. However, Ivan the Terrible did not allow himself to be replayed and turned Russia into a semi-colony.
    But what about the "bloody despot and murderer"? winked
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 5 June 2018 05: 42
      +6
      Quote: Dead Day
      the murderer

      Bullshit.
      Quote: Dead Day
      bloody despot

      Where is this?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 5 June 2018 07: 33
        +5
        Quote: Dead Day
        But what about the "bloody despot and murderer"?

        The painting is called "Ivan the Terrible and his son Ivan." It depicts with grief the murdered father over the poisoned doctor “Anglo-Saxon” son. By the way, they poisoned the entire Rurik family. They cleared a place for the Romanovs, who faithfully served them until the end of their days ...
        The fact that supposedly the father kills his son is a stuffing of the same arrogant Saxons actively supported by our pro-Western henchmen.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 5 June 2018 07: 39
          +2
          Quote: Boris55
          The painting is called "Ivan the Terrible and his son Ivan"

          We know. What is Repin hiding behind the screen? sad
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 5 June 2018 07: 41
            +6
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            What is Repin hiding behind the screen?

            The relatively recent exhumation of both bodies gave an unambiguous conclusion - there was no murder, they were both poisoned with mercury.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 5 June 2018 07: 44
              +5
              Quote: Boris55
              The relatively recent umagation of both bodies gave an unambiguous conclusion - they were both poisoned with mercury.

              Yes, I know about that. But some believe that they were treated in this way. request
            2. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 5 June 2018 07: 44
              +4
              Quote: Boris55
              exhumation

              ... this, apparently, is a cross between mockery and exhumation ... recourse
              For some reason, Kaczynski immediately remembered ... chur me, chur stop
            3. avt
              avt 5 June 2018 08: 39
              +5
              Quote: Boris55
              , they were both poisoned by mercury.

              The author takes the broadest
              And mercury, as you know, is a very strong poison. In addition, the contents of arsenic and lead were several times exceeded in the remains of the father and eldest son.
              Both that and another and the third is naturally poison, as well as ... salt. Well, if you make her eat a kilogram at once. There was such a punishment expensive and sophisticated. Like feeding herring later in custody with a minimum of water. Poisoned rulers of course, and indeed smaller people. However - mercury as a medicine was just the same ... Paracelsus idolized, and he seems to be not the inventor of mercury - they knew before. Authority for healers in Europe request So, overseas dohtur could prescribe mercury from good intentions by the way. With regard to lead, so plumbing from lead pipes has been known since the time of Rome. Yes, and quite a cosmetic and .... medicine - antimony. So it’s also a question of dosage, the lead can be weighed into the body also not sour, with daily make-up, well, at least so that wrinkles under the eyes of the king-priest, that would look like a youthful eagle. Remains what? Arsenic? Well, something doesn’t come to a vaping, but try to look for laziness, somehow try it yourself.
              1. akunin
                akunin 5 June 2018 15: 07
                +5
                Arsenic? Well, something doesn’t come to a vaping, but try to look for laziness, somehow try it yourself.
                in the USSR, the Gedeer preparation "duplex" was successfully used, which in equal parts contained salts of arsenic and strychnine (also poison), the deficit was terrible. It was prescribed for neurasthenia and impotence in person. President Lincoln used for a long time the so-called "blue pills" for depression (it is believed that he owes his absolute calmness to them) they richly contained mercury in their composition. The first drugs for the treatment of syphilis were based on mercury. Mercury, lead and arsenic are cumulative poisons (you can give a little a little bit).
        2. Bersaglieri
          Bersaglieri 5 June 2018 21: 52
          +3
          It is more correct to name "Painter Myasoedov kills writer Garshin"
        3. Alber
          Alber 17 June 2018 12: 21
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          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: Dead Day
          But what about the "bloody despot and murderer"?
          The painting is called "Ivan the Terrible and his son Ivan." It depicts with grief the murdered father over the poisoned doctor “Anglo-Saxon” son. By the way, they poisoned the entire Rurik family. They cleared a place for the Romanovs, who faithfully served them until the end of their days ...
          The fact that supposedly the father kills his son is a stuffing of the same arrogant Saxons actively supported by our pro-Western henchmen.

          Arrogant Saxons - a vile tribe, have long harmed in every way ...
    2. Bar1
      Bar1 5 June 2018 10: 18
      +2
      Samsonov is such a marginal, as they say, left his native shore, but did not stick to a stranger.
      Presenting a story in a traditional style with an alternative color does not greatly bring a traditional story closer to a real story.
      Take tighter the Livonian War of 1558-1583. On the one hand, Russia on the other Livonia, Sweden, Lithuania, Denmark. From the point of view of TI, it would seem that the forces are equal, but if you count the population of these countries.
      Take the largest country with a combat-ready army, which became the most important recipient of prizes after the TI war, this is Sweden.
      - Now the population of Sweden is 10 mil.
      -by the beginning of 20 at -5 mil.ch,
      -to the beginning of 19v-2.5 mil.
      -18v-2.5 mph
      -17v-1 mph
      - and at the time of the start of the war -1558 the Swedes were -0.75 mil. hours
      -Russia-at the time of Peter I say-20 mil. by the same dynamics as in Sweden, we find that the population of Russia is about 7 mil.ch.
      These are objective data, the number of Livontsians and Danes is probably negligible, data on Lithuania is not known. But Lithuania is now Belarus, a country located on swamps. In those days there were generally impassable thickets, with no roads and people.
      Let’s add three hundred thousand. The total population of Russia is 7 mil. The population of the coalition is about 1.5 mil.
      Is there a difference of 5 times? To fight a state that is 5 times more powerful is suicide. Moreover, my calculation is very rude. Russia-Russia was able to increase its population in the 18-19th century from 20 mil. To almost 150 mil. by the beginning of the census of 1897 and mainly due to the Russian population, under serfdom and constant wars, and Sweden developed in more favorable conditions, but for some reason could not develop like Russia, so most likely the population of Sweden was very small. Therefore, the population of the 16th century could well be adjusted upward in Russia.
      The Russia of those times was a country of cities i.e. The city where industrial production was located, i.e., Russia was a strong medieval state with a large population.
      Therefore, objectively, there could be no talk of any loss in the war, unless we take the analogy with the Russo-Japanese war, where Nikolashka personally signed a ban on conducting military operations in Japan and ending their war, but this is a betrayal of the elites.
      So the story was not what TI and even Samsonov describe to us. All these intrigues, injuries, conspiracies were not the influence of a foreign English state, but there was a natural process of the collapse of the empire and a civil war of the center and suburbs.
      As for England, even in the old atlas of Abraham Ortelius for 1570 we see that Scotland / Caledonia was called -Russia, with the cities of Rosnet, Rosi, Prosin, Rosdey

  2. Ber
    Ber 5 June 2018 05: 29
    +2
    Together with him, they ruined the entire dynasty of the Rurikovich, causing the most cruel and bloody Russian Troubles. Question: who did this? Conspirators-boyars or foreign enemies: Rome, Jesuits, Poles and the British?


    They tried both, but the British crown didn’t (deceive) everyone, having pitted Russia with Sweden, and within 200 years, by the hands of the Moscow Tsars eliminated their main rival on the Swedish sea.
    Which, unlike the Spaniards, would be 100% piled on the Anglo-Saxons both on land and at sea.

    The British, "opening" Russia, tried to subjugate Moscow. However, Ivan the Terrible did not allow himself to be replayed and turned Russia into a semi-colony.


    Yeah, pegging the ruble to the dollar, is this not a financial colony?
    Alas, the secret service of the Britons outplayed us, the Swedes and Rome, and this is a fact. And he who forgets history, that drops an abyss to his own great-grandchildren.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 5 June 2018 07: 39
      +2
      Quote: Ber
      Yeah, pegging the ruble to the dollar, is this not a financial colony?

      Welcome hi .
      1. alebor
        alebor 5 June 2018 09: 55
        +3
        I immediately recalled an episode from Herzen’s Past and Thoughts, where he, being in exile, could not get his money from Russia, Nicholas I, for obvious reasons, did not like Herzen and prevented this. Then Herzen turned to Baron Rothschild for help and he quickly and without problems received Herzen's money from Russia. So against Rothschild, even the formidable autocrat Nicholas I was powerless.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 5 June 2018 09: 57
          +2
          Quote: alebor
          So against Rothschild, even the formidable autocrat Nicholas I was powerless.

          Everything, as written:
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 5 June 2018 16: 31
            +3
            I see, ideological anti-Semites woke up.
            Is logical. Fomenkovtsy can not help but hate the Jews.
            On the Jewish calendar with its clear reference to zero ("creation of the world"), and not to the years of the reign of sovereigns and princes, Fomenko’s teaching stumbled first of all.
            Since ancient times, all Jewish letters were framed by date. And it infuriates the Fomenkovites.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 5 June 2018 16: 45
              +3
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Fomenkovtsy cannot

              Fomenkov and others took the work of the Russian historian of the 19 century and perverted it with accuracy by turn. In fact, they justify the fears of the western inhabitant that Russia has been an invasive state from time immemorial that has captured all of Europe ... In general, their creations are hardly plagiarized - pure politics for the benefit of the Washington Regional Committee.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 5 June 2018 16: 56
                +3
                AND! Excuse me. hi I confused you with another forum member.
                You probably specialize in Freemasons and world government.
                If you have questions - to me. I'm from those. consultants of the world government, the user Tatyana herself consults with me on the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. drinks
            2. cost
              cost 5 June 2018 22: 17
              +2
              voyaka uh: ..... About the Jewish calendar with its clear reference to zero ("creation of the world"), and not to the years of the reign of sovereigns and princes, Fomenko’s teaching stumbled first of all.

              But have the Jews invented the reckoning "from the creation of the world"? Here you, Alex, are wrong
              The first mention of this calendar is found among the Hittites, then in Egypt, and from there it already got to the Semites
              1. Shahno
                Shahno 5 June 2018 22: 30
                0
                Well, maybe not quite right. The kings of Egypt from the Hyksos tribe are most likely associated with the Semitic tribes, who later identified themselves as Jews (descendants of the sons of Abraham).
                1. cost
                  cost 5 June 2018 22: 40
                  +1
                  many foreign scholars identify the Hyksos with the ancestors of the Alans - Ossetians and warriors - Chechens and Ingushs
                  Hyksos - among the Arabs (Shashani)
                  Alans in the ancient East were called "sleepy" (lit. translation from Chechen. "priests, sages"
                2. Warrior-80
                  Warrior-80 6 June 2018 14: 57
                  0
                  As far as I remember, the invention of the calendar and the calculation of days in a year dates from the ancient kingdom, long before the Hyksos invasion
                  1. Han Tengri
                    Han Tengri 6 June 2018 15: 29
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                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    On the Jewish calendar with its clear reference to zero ("creation of the world"),

                    Quote: Rich
                    The first mention of this calendar is found among the Hittites, then in Egypt, and from there already got to the Semite

                    Quote: Shahno
                    Well, maybe not quite right. The kings of Egypt from the Hyksos tribe are most likely associated with the Semitic tribes, who later identified themselves as Jews (descendants of the sons of Abraham).

                    Quote: Rich
                    Hyksos - among the Arabs (Shashani)
                    Alans in the ancient East were called "sleepy" (lit. translation from Chechen. "priests, sages"

                    Quote: Warrior-80
                    As far as I remember, the invention of the calendar and the calculation of days in a year dates from the ancient kingdom, long before the Hyksos invasion

                    "A lot of water has flowed ... And everyone who, at least for whatever reason - was soaked a long time ago!" (c) Goblin "Brotherhood and the Ring." (http://goblin-online.ru/smeshnye-perevody/55-vla
                    stelin-kolets-bratva-i-koltso.html)
                    PS Not Wed @ cha for the sake of, but, exclusively, sobriety for. hi
              2. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 7 June 2018 12: 00
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                "Did the Jews invent the reckoning" from the creation of the world "?" ////

                Of course not. Jews are far from the oldest civilization.
                Before them, the Sumerians and others had such calendars.
                But the Jews survived to this day, retaining this calendar.
                And Jewish merchants / traders actively exchanged letters.
                And the letters had dates. In addition, once a year, every year
                produce ritual burial of the Torah in all synagogues.
                A scroll (necessarily handwritten) is transferred to a special store.
                The texts are not the same, but the dates of the burial are different.
                Such repositories have been preserved since ancient times. And no "holes in history" work.
                1. cost
                  cost 7 June 2018 12: 08
                  +1
                  Alexey hi
                  But here is the famous "Kiev Letter" - the oldest authentic document that came out of the territory of Kievan Rus. There is no date on it. Dates supposedly X century.
                  This is a letter of recommendation issued to Yaakov bin Hanukkah by the Jewish community of Kiev for presentation in other Jewish communities. The letter contains a request to the Jews of other cities to donate money for the ransom of Jacob bin Chanukah. It is reported that this man had never needed before, until he acted as a guarantor for his brother, who took money from the Gentiles. The brothers were killed by robbers, and when it came time to repay the debt, the guarantor was taken to prison. A year later, the community bought it for 60 coins, but another 40 were required for complete release. He went with a letter to collect the missing amount. At the end of the letter are the signatures (names) of the compilers. Only 11 people. The text of the letter is in Hebrew. An exception is the last word written in the Turkic runic script, which is supposed to be in the Khazar language.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 7 June 2018 12: 23
                    +1
                    Thanks for the interesting post. I must say that
                    Khazar letters (letters) are also very similar to Hebrew.
                    There is no date on this letter, but on others.
                    The Hebrew calendar and scrolls are just one of many artifact confirmations,
                    that the "holes in history" that led to the crossing out of the Ancient World by the Fomenkovites
                    - does not exist.
  3. Korsar4
    Korsar4 5 June 2018 06: 47
    +2
    A set of assumptions.

    But from the text it is quite possible to conclude that Tsar-father John Vasilievich respected the interests of the state as it should.
  4. Curious
    Curious 5 June 2018 07: 44
    +7

    Reading Samsonov’s articles, I remembered Lermontov’s “Demon”. As applied to the "Samson history," the Lermontov plot would have looked like this.
    Muse Klio fervently prays for the salvation of her soul, asks not to destroy her, to which Samsonov receives an answer that let him be in hell, but they should be together. Clio understands that there is no salvation and surrenders.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 5 June 2018 07: 48
      +1
      Quote: Curious
      Clio understands that there is no salvation and surrenders.

      That is so! And I thought that Clea is such a wine. sad
      1. Curious
        Curious 5 June 2018 07: 57
        +3
        Clio is the muse of history among the ancient Greeks.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 5 June 2018 08: 03
          +1
          In how it is! And I, somewhere read that Madame Clea was splashing in the bath with wine. And I forgot about the muse like that. I remember Eeku, and that’s it. request
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 5 June 2018 07: 57
      +2
      But any system brings results. And our communication on this thread is a confirmation of this.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 5 June 2018 10: 21
        +1
        So what to do? request "For lack of a governess ..."
    3. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 5 June 2018 10: 27
      +1
      Wait, he will write a history textbook, good, education allows. One thing is good - in this business, sickly grandmothers are spinning and anyway they are not allowed to go there from the street.
  5. Cartalon
    Cartalon 5 June 2018 09: 12
    0
    Mercury was used as a medicine, so if they poisoned it, it was not because they wanted to kill it.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 5 June 2018 09: 23
      +1
      Quote: Cartalon
      Mercury was used as a medicine, so if they poisoned it, it was not because they wanted to kill it.

      And so 10 times in a row? All about the Russian clan of the Rurikovich was plagued and in its place was appointed about the Western clan of the Romanovs.
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 5 June 2018 09: 41
        +1
        Are there endless dynasties?

        Caroling? Valois? Stuarts?
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 5 June 2018 15: 25
          +1
          Quote from Korsar4
          Are there endless dynasties?
          Caroling? Valois? Stuarts?

          In Denmark, EMNIP, the dynasty has not changed for 1050 years. But she, in Europe, is not the only one
          1. Han Tengri
            Han Tengri 5 June 2018 18: 20
            +1
            Quote: Weyland
            In Denmark, EMNIP, the dynasty has not changed for 1050 years. But she, in Europe, is not the only one

            Knutlings, Inglings, Extridsengs, Folkungs, Estridsens, Oldenburg Dynasty, Glucksburgs are all representatives of different branches of the same dynasty? I just don’t know. request
            1. Weyland
              Weyland 5 June 2018 20: 14
              +2
              Quote: HanTengri
              Knutlings, Inglings, Extridsengs, Folkungs, Estridsens, Oldenburg Dynasty, Glucksburgs are all representatives of different branches of the same dynasty? I just don't know

              The Estridsens are, of course, the Knütling branch, and the Glucksburgs are the Oldenburg branch. But in general - I confess, believed once read (and not on the Web, but in the press) infe about the continuity of the Danish dynasty
          2. Korsar4
            Korsar4 5 June 2018 21: 57
            +1
            And if there is a need, the Sumarokov-Elston become Yusupov.
      2. alebor
        alebor 5 June 2018 10: 01
        +3
        The ancient English tradition of poisoning everyone in a row continues today, only instead of mercury and arsenic they now use radioactive polonium and the "newbie."
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 5 June 2018 10: 19
          +4
          Some kind of hemorrhoids, there was enough Elkin and vodka.
  6. Weyland
    Weyland 5 June 2018 15: 08
    +2
    They preferred to forget that the Russians themselves were in England, not to mention other European countries.

    Moreover, our merchants first visited London at 1480m - 73 years before the Chancellor expedition!
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 5 June 2018 16: 20
      +4
      They probably insidiously wanted to make England a Russian colony? laughing
      For a handful of ermine and sable furs they wanted to deceive the red savages and purchase
      Valuable iron tools, watches, glasses. am
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 5 June 2018 19: 52
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        valuable iron tools, watches, glasses

        In England, 1480? Do not tell my slippers! Glasses are indeed their invention (R. Bacon), but the rest came up two and a half centuries later, and in those years Russian steel was snapped up in England!
        1. Han Tengri
          Han Tengri 5 June 2018 20: 09
          +1
          = Weyland] In England, 1480?

          = Weyland] and in those years, Russian steel was snapped up in England!

          Information source pliz!
          1. Curious
            Curious 5 June 2018 21: 56
            +2
            The source was destroyed by the Germans - historians on the orders of the world behind the scenes.
            1. Han Tengri
              Han Tengri 5 June 2018 22: 45
              +3
              I knew it!!! Again, these damned Miller, Schlozer, Bayer !!! It’s good that, at least, G.V. Richman, friend M.V. Lomonosov, Russian, orthodox ball lightning in time has coped !!! I did not have time, bastard, to harm the superethnos - to ruin Russian physics !!!
          2. Weyland
            Weyland 5 June 2018 23: 35
            0
            Quote: HanTengri
            Information source pliz!

            The merchants usually brought the Russian way to Europe in English and Swedish ships, which gave rise to call it "English" or "Swedish" steel. The style was highly valued by European armourers, who in Germany and France called it Gerfalcon
            (gyrfalcon), because after careful etching, the surface of this somewhat heterogeneous steel reveals pale gray stripes, similar to the stripes on the chest of a hawk or hunting gyrfalcon. Export to Europe was especially
            intense during the reign of Ivan the Terrible and archives of Moscow orders indicate that they produced it in many places. Especially often mentioned
            Moscow, Tula and Ustyuzhenskie structures. (https://www.kalashnikov.ru/medialibrary/3
            a8 / 094_098.pdf)
            1. Han Tengri
              Han Tengri 5 June 2018 23: 45
              +1
              Quote: Weyland
              Export to Europe was especially
              intense during the reign of Ivan the Terrible and archives of Moscow orders indicate that they produced it in many places. Especially often mentioned
              Moscow, Tula and Ustyuzhenskie structures. (https://www.kalashnikov.ru/medialibrary/3
              a8 / 094_098.pdf)

              Page not found (404) laughing Or, in confirmation of your nonsense, I should read something from this: “LIVER” TURNS OUT ... 6P41M and 6P69 machine guns, NEWS AND “NEWS”, BIG CHANGE IN FPSR, “KALASHNIKOV” MAGAZINE No. 6/2018. 12,7-MM “CORD” MACHINE, ZEISS CINEMA ... etc, etc! wassat laughing
              References to historians, medievalists, specialists in weapons and metal production in St. Petersburg will be?
              1. Curious
                Curious 6 June 2018 01: 07
                +2
                "Will there be references to historians, medievalists, specialists in weapons and metal production in St. Petersburg?"
                It is unlikely, because it says there: "In the XNUMXth century, metallurgy belonged exclusively to the category of small peasant production."
                1. Weyland
                  Weyland 6 June 2018 19: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: Curious
                  because it says: "In the sixteenth century, metallurgy belonged exclusively to the category of small peasant production."

                  Who? Read Agricola and Beringuccio! Do you think a very high-tech breshension method of steel production (it was from this steel that the Milanese plate was made good ) Could master small peasant production? Can you imagine the size of a hearth in a village forge - and, for comparison, the size of a hearth in which you can heat a whole cuirass quenching?
                  1. Curious
                    Curious 7 June 2018 00: 04
                    0
                    This is about metallurgy in Russia in the XNUMXth century. And this is not about the production of weapons, but about metallurgy, i.e. production way.
                    1. Weyland
                      Weyland 7 June 2018 10: 04
                      0
                      Quote: Curious
                      And this is not about the production of weapons, but about metallurgy, i.e. production way.

                      Uh, no! Metallurgy is the production of kritsa (well, of the crippled blanks too - no one traded in forged cribs), but redistribution of critical iron into a structure is already a high redistribution, a secret which few owned (And Taganov, by the way, didn’t cut a chip - he has in the experimental part a rather primitive imitation of the process). Yes, and Fullon also didn’t cut through - Taganov gave a full-height foam here: Fullon - never once a Frenchman, but a German, and not a traveler (who would give anyone the trade secrets stop ), and the head of the Olonets factory, where this technology was used! Anosov hi why did he discover the secret of bulat: being the head of the Zlatoust weapons factory, he did not hesitate to deal with skilled hard workers and personally communicated with them for a long time drinks But Fullon did not condescend to hard workers and wrote down the technical process from the words of some technologist sent to Olonets from St. Petersburg - but the process is simple only at first glance, there are "pitfalls" there, believe the word of a cool pro!
                      Speaking of the XVI century: Fullon recorded the technical process in 1820m, but the technology itself has been known at least since Aristotle - the ancient Greeks called this steel grade "stomoma" (blade steel; the other 2 grades mentioned by Aristotle - "adamas" = especially hard tool kit and "halyups" - it seems, high-strength structural steel)
                      1. Curious
                        Curious 7 June 2018 12: 14
                        0
                        The way is raw iron. And there is no secret there.
              2. Weyland
                Weyland 6 June 2018 13: 22
                0
                Quote: HanTengri
                Page not found (404)

                It opens without problems for me! Perhaps you have some kind of filters in Uzbekistan - your awesome democratic regime does not want the people to know something about weapons! By the way, I myself am a good specialist in the production of metals, and also in knives. Of the old weapons specialists, I can recommend V. Beheim - EMNIP, he says that England was not famous for steel in that era (at least until Benjamin Gunzman aka Benjamin Huntsman). Here Germany, Austria, Italy, Spain - these yes. And from medieval authors - in the French version of the poem about Rinald Montabansky (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B8%D0%BD
                % D0% B0% D0% BB% D1% 8C% D0% B4) the main character wears a "good hauberk (chain mail with a hood) from Russia"
                1. Han Tengri
                  Han Tengri 6 June 2018 13: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: Weyland
                  It opens without problems for me!

                  It also opens without problems for me ... but only the site itself (to guess by the name of the articles, was there no fate from the main page?). Indicate the title of the article.
                  Quote: Weyland
                  Perhaps you have some kind of filters in Uzbekistan - your awesome democratic regime does not want the people to know something about weapons!

                  Huh! laughing It is possible to read about the "6P41M AND 6P69" machine guns to the population of non-land Uzbekistan, but about the "Russian way to Europe, merchants usually brought in English and Swedish ships" is forbidden, under pain of death! lol wassat By the way, through the proxy the result is the same: "Page not found (404)".
                  Quote: Weyland
                  the main character wears a "good hauberk (chain mail with a hood) from Russia"

                  I wonder which of you "drives" you, or the author of the poem?
                  A. N. Kirpichnikov notes that in Russian lands the chain hoods with chain mail and / or chain pants, which he attributes to Western European knight armament, are generally unknown. In the XIII century. in Russian heavy cavalry from chain mail long-chain mail and chain-mail stockings begin to spread.
                  (Wicked Wicked)
                  1. Weyland
                    Weyland 6 June 2018 15: 27
                    +1
                    Quote: HanTengri
                    Indicate the title of the article.

                    No. 5/2010, Igor Taganov "The Mysterious Ancestor of Damascus Steel" (part 2 - 1st part was in No. 4/2010)
                    Quote: HanTengri
                    which of you "drives" you, or the author of the poem?

                    If you read these poems, you would know how much anger they have! laughing But the word "hauberk" in different eras meant pretty different things - as it was mentioned in the article you quoted from the "godly Wicked" (and in poems this word was usually used to mean chain mail in general). The author most likely knew about the high quality of Russian armor - but he did not enter into details about the imported samples!
                    1. Han Tengri
                      Han Tengri 6 June 2018 15: 35
                      0
                      Quote: Weyland
                      Igor Taganov "The Mysterious Ancestor of Damascus Steel"

                      Ah, katta rahmat! (Thank you very much) Read.
                      Quote: Weyland
                      The author most likely knew about the high quality of Russian armor - but he did not enter into details about the imported samples!

                      Most likely made of German iron, according to the same Kirpichnikov ... sad
                      1. Weyland
                        Weyland 6 June 2018 17: 50
                        0
                        Quote: HanTengri
                        Most likely made of German iron

                        some people think that the word “kritz” is a borrowing from German kritzen. In fact, the German kritz is die Luppe, and in all Germanic languages ​​this word is similar - it is a borrowing from the French originating from the Latin lupus = wolf. And the word kritzen is a later borrowing, caused just by their mass purchase in Russia! In fact, the “kriza” is a borrowing from the Bulgarian (with the transition h / c - cf. the blacksmith - krich). Compare also with the head. Voros, Kaz. құrys, Kyrgyz. kurch, karach.-balk. kurch, tat. Korych, Chuv hurҫӑ - all this from the ancient Turkic qurč “sharp, hard”
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 5 June 2018 21: 33
          +1
          What did the British sell in Russia?
          I found: cloth, tin, lead, copper, jewelry and all kinds of oriental spices.
          What is your information?
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 5 June 2018 23: 38
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            and all sorts of oriental spices.

            cloth, tin, lead - it is understandable, but spices ... maybe, on the contrary - bought? Or did they sell what they bought from the Persians, thanks to the privilege of duty-free trading?
        3. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 6 June 2018 16: 10
          0
          Still, not steel, it seems to me, but iron and iron products
          What I found: the production of iron products from the 15-16th century, the smelting of cast iron and steel from the 17th century
  7. Weyland
    Weyland 5 June 2018 15: 12
    +3
    About what trade union the British wanted to impose on Russia can be seen in the example of Turkey, with which England entered into an agreement in 1580. Not taking any obligations, the British for their formal “friendship” received exemption from duties, a monopoly on Levantine trade, settled in Istanbul at home, received extraterritoriality and quickly sat down on Porto, sucking out all the juices from the Ottoman Empire. As a result, the Turkish Empire financially and economically became the semi-colony of England and France, who began to use the Turks as cannon fodder in the fight against Russia.

    The author of the century was not so mistaken for 2? wassat In 1580m, despite the defeat at Lepanto, Turkey was much cooler than England and France combined!
  8. Weyland
    Weyland 5 June 2018 15: 20
    +2
    When already in Soviet times, the tombs of Ivan the Terrible, his sons Ivan and Fedor were opened in the Archangel Cathedral of the Moscow Kremlin, then the experts found that the mercury content in the bones of Tsar and Tsarevich Ivan was 32 times higher than the permissible norm! And mercury, as you know, is a very strong poison. In addition, the contents of arsenic and lead were several times exceeded in the remains of the father and eldest son. The king’s first wife, Anastasia, was similarly poisoned.
    And the mother of Ivan the Terrible - Elena Glinsky. And the 3rd wife is the same "Martha Vasilvna I!". And the other son is Tsar Fedor. Only Tsarevich Dimitri escaped poisoning - they just killed him ... In childhood, the phrase "You try from my goblet!" I was very amused until I found out about the reason for such suspicion. But it’s unlikely that all this work was done by the British, and without them, the “benefactors” were enough!
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  10. Altona
    Altona 6 June 2018 21: 30
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    Quote: Mordvin 3
    And I, somewhere read that Madame Clea was splashing in the bath with wine. And forgot about the muse like that. I remember Eeku, and that’s it.

    ----------------------------------
    Can you confuse Madame Clicquot? laughing
  11. Weyland
    Weyland 7 June 2018 20: 44
    0
    Quote: Curious
    The way is raw iron. And there is no secret there.

    By 1724, it was steel that was called the way, but never raw iron! By the way, in modern Evenki steel is "uklet" (whereas iron is "sele", R. Selenga = "iron")
    1. Curious
      Curious 8 June 2018 21: 01
      0
      By raw iron, in this case, I meant material for further use in the manufacture of products.
      As for the way of steel, there is nothing secret.
      The fact that the process of saturation of the surface layer with carbon in a solid carburetor is known at least from the XNUMXth century can be read in the literature.
  12. Seal
    Seal 9 June 2018 13: 06
    0
    Quote: Boris55
    The relatively recent exhumation of both bodies gave an unambiguous conclusion - there was no murder, they were both poisoned with mercury.

    They could be poisoned by mercury. But they could not be poisoned mercury. Since those times and much later, mercury was considered a medicine, not a poisonous substance. They did not yet know about the poisonous properties of mercury in those times and in later ones.
    Well, it’s all the same, if, for example, after 200 years it will be recognized that some substance used now in medicines actually acts on the body very unfavorably, which we still don’t know about - it will probably be silly in 2418 to say that in the late 20th - early 21st centuries, people were massively poisoned with such and such a medicine containing such and such a substance.
  13. Seal
    Seal 9 June 2018 13: 13
    0
    Quote: Altona
    Can you confuse Madame Clicquot?

    Is not a fact. Maybe you do not know, but ....
    Old as the world is the debate about what history is - science or art. The Dutch historical writer Nelleke Noorderliet recalled this dual nature of history once again to the professional historical community not so long ago (it is about somewhere in 2008 or 2009).
    “Everyone knows that Clio is a whore,”
    - Not without shocking, the Dutch writer said in her speech at the next International Congress of Historical Sciences in August last year.
    “She is sitting in front of a window in the red light district. Playful and voluptuous, she serves both shy academic academics and arrogant, assertive filmmakers. She looks at men and women equally invitingly and offers everything they desire: quick satisfaction, a long devastating affection, cruel unpredictable drama, unbridled passion. And all this does without much stress. Such is her game, but no one knows who she really is. She keeps her true identity a secret and smiles, like Monet Lisa, to those who ask her about it. She looks forever young, although as old as the world, and, of course, older than her profession. ”

    I agree with that.
  14. Seal
    Seal 9 June 2018 15: 22
    0
    Quote: Weyland
    When already in Soviet times, the tombs of Ivan the Terrible, his sons Ivan and Fedor were opened in the Archangel Cathedral of the Moscow Kremlin, then the experts found that the mercury content in the bones of Tsar and Tsarevich Ivan was 32 times higher than the permissible norm! And mercury, as you know, is a very strong poison. In addition, the contents of arsenic and lead were several times exceeded in the remains of the father and eldest son. The king’s first wife, Anastasia, was similarly poisoned.


    At that time (and for a long period after that time), mercury was considered a therapeutic agent and it was mercury that treated many diseases. And then the poisoning properties of mercury were not even suspected. Therefore, it is hardly correct to say that poisoned. It’s probably more correct to say that healed.
  15. Seal
    Seal 9 June 2018 15: 43
    0
    Weyland,
    And why do you think that we borrowed from the Bulgars. And not vice versa. Why could the Bulgars not borrow our "cakes" (forge)? And from корranksitza to the cries - a stone's throw.
  16. Seal
    Seal 9 June 2018 15: 58
    0
    voyaka uh (Alexey) June 7, 2018 12:00
    And Jewish merchants / traders actively exchanged letters.
    А there were dates on the letters. In addition, once a year, every year

    voyaka uh (Alexey) June 7, 2018 12:23

    Quote: voyaka uh
    There is no date on this letter, but there are others.

    For example ?
  17. Seal
    Seal 9 June 2018 16: 15
    0
    Quote: Bar1
    -Russia-at the time of Peter I say-20 mil.

    Who is talking?
    Quote: Bar1
    by the same dynamics as in Sweden, we find that the population of Russia is about 7 mil.ch.

    According to the census of 1678, in general, the same thing.
    According to the census of 1745-1751 in Russia there were 5378203 men in the European part of the country and 1411488 in the Asian part.
    A total of 6,8 million people are males. Multiplying by 2 = 13,6 million Total.
    It is believed that a population of 20 million people Russia reached somewhere in 1765.
  18. andrew42
    andrew42 16 June 2018 12: 05
    +1
    Britain was and is the quintessence of Western "civilization." The symbiosis of the Norman rogue knight and the Jewish moneylender-banker, which did not guarantee the absence of internal clashes between the first and second, until they cut off the head of Charles I with the final victory of the “armed bourgeoisie,” which was closely within both absolutism and Roman a church that had "its own business." All other sprouts away from this "trunk" mercilessly cut off throughout British history, starting in 1066.