The bridge to the Crimea is being completed. And whether to be a bridge to Sakhalin?

Since the opening of automobile traffic on the Crimean Bridge, about a third of a million cars in both directions have already passed along the transport artery connecting Crimea to the Krasnodar Territory. At the same time, the opening of the bridge was a reason to think about the implementation of other major infrastructure projects in Russia.

So, today, deputies of the Sakhalin Legislative Assembly have appealed to the federal authorities for the possible construction of a bridge that would connect Sakhalin with mainland Russia. Deputies, addressing personally to the president of Russia, are asked to begin the "construction of the century". The appeal, which was supported by all the Sakhalin deputies present at the 24 meeting, was also sent to the head of the government, Dmitry Medvedev.

The governor of the Sakhalin region, Oleg Kozhemyako, supported the appeal to the federal center, noting that sustainable road and rail links with the mainland are extremely important for the region. According to him, this will affect the logistics and the final cost of supplies to the island. Today, prices for various kinds of goods in the Sakhalin region are significantly higher than the prices for the same goods in other regions of the Far Eastern Federal District.

Oleg Kozhemyako:

On Sakhalin, life is more expensive than those of the Far East, where there is direct transport links.

The governor of the region noted that the ferry service is directly dependent on the vagaries of the weather, and therefore it often happens that there is a congestion of hundreds of cars that cannot be forwarded due to the storm and the suspension of the ferry service.

Oleg Kozhemyako quotes the portal "Sakhalin.info".

It is known that ordinary residents of Sakhalin also turned to Vladimir Putin with questions about the possibility of building a bridge. Recall that a direct line with the president will take place on June 7.

Comments

[Thrall]

According to the scheme, first you need to give Sakhalin to Japan, then return ...

[ANCIENT]

According to this scheme, you need to give the KGB of Belarus But whether they will return at least something back. ...

[The black]

The key here is not MOST (its length will be about 7 km), but the construction of a full-fledged railway link with Sakhalin. (It is necessary to build about 500 km of railway plus infrastructure) So, this project definitely needs to be implemented. After all, the Far East, like Crimea, is OUR!

[Leeds]

Pikul wrote interestingly about the capture of Sakhalin by the Japanese, about the reasons.

[Shurik70]

I read back in Soviet times about the design of such a bridge. It indicated that the bridge must be made covered to protect it from precipitation and wind, so that during storms there would be less ice on the highway, and the car would not blow off the wind from the bridge.

[svd-xnumx]

I read back in Soviet times about the design of such a bridge. It indicated that the bridge must be covered, to protect it from rain and wind, so that during storms there would be less ice on the highway, and the car would not blow off the wind from the bridge

The covered bridge will have great sailing and will require multiple reinforcement of the structure.

[Felix]

and the construction of a full-fledged railway connection with Sakhalin.

In order to organize a full-fledged communication, you will also have to reconstruct the 1520 mm gauge on the island itself, and, accordingly, the rolling stock, locomotive fleet and all that’s all. But that’s not the point - the bridge is definitely needed, if only automobile, because it will reduce the cost of living on the island and increase the standard of living.

[g1v2]

Already rebuild. In theory, by the 20th year, they should finish altering the track from Japanese to ours. I think that just after this, the construction of the bridge will begin. This is not the first year they have been talking about this, and seriously. As I understand it, the decision to build a bridge to Sakhalin was made a couple of years ago. And right after that they began to alter the track. And now there is PR preparation for the announcement of this decision. That is, contradictory infa will be carefully given, and then a powerful PR company similar to the Crimean Bridge will be launched. Well, then there’s a different cat called Bridge, a recount of the number of driven piles, and at the very end - Putin on Kamaz over the bridge to Sakhalin.
In general, I’m sure that approximately in the 20th year the construction of the Sakhalin bridge will begin

[Felix]

Quote: g1v2

In general, I’m sure that approximately in the 20th year the construction of the Sakhalin bridge will begin

After the Crimean bridge, the likelihood of building the Sakhalin bridge is quite high, because there are already technologies and skills.

[76rtbr]

we don’t have cheaper prices even though they’ll build a bridge, they will say it’s necessary to recapture the construction costs, but there it’s inclined !!! example, oil rises in price - gasoline too, oil falls - gasoline rises

[Dr_engie]

Well yes. Is it better to spend X money to improve the life of less than a million people, or the same money to improve the life of much more people?

[Servisinzhener]

But the greater the number of people who are being improved, the less significant this improvement.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Servisinzhener

But the greater the number of people who are being improved, the less significant this improvement.

In the impoverished Slovakia, they are pulling a full-fledged road to a pasture with the only shepherd living there, so that emergency services can drive up if something happens.

[LSA57]

Quote: Dr_Engie

than a million people, or the same money to improve the life of a much larger number of people?

elementary mathematics. the same money divided into a much larger number of people will not give them anything, as each will crumbs
divide 1000 by 10 and 1000 by 100. and who will get more?

[g1v2]

Forgot to add another coordinate axis - time. What is better to improve the life of less than a million people FOREVER or much more people - for a month or six months?

[ARES623]

Quote: Black

The key here is not MOST (its length will be about 7 km), but the construction of a full-fledged railway connection with Sakhalin

The key word here is economic and strategic expediency, which is under a big question ... Is it possible to take the Japanese to share and make the bridge an element of dry communication between Japan and the mainland (as a version)?

[seti]

Quote: Thrall

According to the scheme, first you need to give Sakhalin to Japan, then return ...

The trawl has long been suspicious. As well as the Old Man. According to his statements and sympathy to our "partners" because of a large puddle of craters and the guy that he has in the picture has long been waiting for a meeting with him.

[antivirus]

Trawl = Old Man. Luke himself writes under the name Tral?

[sapporo1959]

That's what warrant officers love so much for vigilance! Everywhere he will calculate the enemy. And if he also gives out a flashlight, then the State Department will cry ...

[Grandfather Makar]

Quote: ANCIENT

According to this scheme, you need to give the KGB of Belarus But whether they will return at least something back. ...

Bravo great joke ... Got Rich .. ???
In general, of course, a bridge is needed and we can build it ... But Japan is not Ukraine, the country is serious! First, a peace treaty with it needs to be signed (without giving up the territories naturally), it’s possible to jointly develop the East and Siberia! They have a lot of money, but if it weren’t for American bases there, we would have agreed a long time ago!

[Rostislav]

And where does the "peace treaty must first be signed"? If the Japs need it, then let them sign it.
And Russia will manage without advisers in the matter of what and where to build on its territory.

[RASKAT]

My opinion may be annoying for many, but let's think logically. 500 000 people live in Sakhalin, plus or minus. Such is the multimillion-dollar tourist flow as in Crimea is not there. All major cities of Sakhalin are located in the south of the island, while the bridge is planned in the narrowest place of the Tatar Strait in the north of the island. The nearest major city, where you can get from Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk is Komsomolsk-on-Amur, the distance between them is about 1000 km. To Khabarovsk about 1200, to Vladivostok about 2000 km. Who will go there by car and how many will there be? It’s easier to establish air traffic, raise the standard of living, and lower prices for goods. A railway bridge is perhaps necessary, an automobile one is unlikely.

[your1970]

Quote: RASKAT

to raise the standard of living, reduce commodity prices.

- how if air transportation and ferry are used - which depends on the weather?
And then connecting the bridge with Sakhalin and Japan later, we will get a transit route from Europe to Japan and vice versa. Here and railway transportation will pay for itself, not only cars

[RASKAT]

Serge, are you raving, which bridge of Japan and Sakhalin? There is a distance of 50 km and depths below 100 meters, plus unstable weather in the Laperouse Strait especially in winter, if there is ever a transition, then most likely the tunnel is the most realistic. Plus, Hokkaido and Honshu only connected the railway tunnel a couple of years ago, it was built with 1960 years, it is 53 km long, Hokkaido itself is poorly developed and is considered remote territories, the road is only to Sapporo and so on and so forth. This is all for me all this is not profitable from an economic point of view. It is much easier to build a couple more icebreakers and ice container ships and launch them along the Northern Sea Route from Japan to Europe. And the same Japanese tourists to bring to Sakhalin on the motor ships. Sea transport is much more profitable than railway.

[your1970]

Quote: RASKAT

Sea transport is much more profitable than railway.

- everywhere - except for the Northern Sea Route due to navigation conditions ...

[sabotage]

Quote: RASKAT

It’s easier to establish air traffic, raise the standard of living, and lower prices for goods.

It’s easier to promise to do it all.

[Teberii]

From the beginning, to transfer the bridge from the Kuril Islands to Japan. And then let them finish the rest. But seriously, the message is the more reliable, the better.

[DEDPIHTO]

Most likely, Putin will leave this construction of the century to his successor ... it is necessary for the future president to earn some image for himself in order to rewind two terms .. at least. Everything to keep the course ..

[Teberii]

MEDVEDEV !!!

[Rostovchanin]

Come on you! He will sit as prime minister ...

[DEDPIHTO]

By itself Who, if not he, will support the new president with his mighty experience ...

[tun5t]

God forbid Medvedev as president .. with such a do ... worse than the enemy, there will definitely be a troubled time in Russia as after Ivan the Terrible. All have analogues: Poles, Putin, a monster in the eyes of the West like Ivan, a vertical of power like Ivan, and the board is similar.

[RUSS]

Quote: Rostovchanin

Come on you! He will sit as prime minister ...

Or, as in Singapore, Minister-mentor Lee Kuan Yew, was first the prime minister, and then the mentor.

[Tiksi-3]

Of course, a bridge is needed, like any construction of transport infrastructure in Russia. The development of the transport structure - gives impetus to the development of certain regions ..... it is time to withdraw finances from Moscow to the regions

[sapporo1959]

Well, you must keep the course! Allow strangers, they’ll steal it, and it’s kind of like your own. And they’ll just take it ..

[tank66]

No, let him build himself. Remains in the history of Vladimir - Bridge Builder / not the most x option /

[siberalt]

Let the Sakhalin residents shock their governors, there are enough stolen for three bridges. And there are even more resources from selling fish to the Chinese for currency past Russia. Already enough for a bridge to Beijing.

[sapporo1959]

So the governor of Moscow appointed how will you shake him? This is how the country will be shaken! And then the navalnites run and the last will be taken away ..

[Ingvar 72]

Does he need one?

[Volodin]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Does he need one?

If you talk to the residents of Sakhalin, they will give you a definite answer.
It is needed not only by Sakhalin itself, but also by the entire Far East.

[scientist]

The bridge to Sakhalin is of course needed by its residents and the Russian economy only +++. But most of all, the Japanese need him. Actually they are invited to invest in this project.

[Galleon]

If the need for such a logistic connection - Khabarovsk - Sapporo, really existed, ocean ferries would have been sailing long ago. Nothing would hurt. This is the time. Sea transport is the cheapest and if you count Khabarovsk - Vladik - Sapporo ferry or Khabarovsk - Vanino - Hakodate ferry as time and money, and the arc proposed in the picture will benefit from the maritime option. an exception is the time of cyclones.

[Chertt]

Quote: Volodin

If you talk to the residents of Sakhalin, they will give you a definite answer.

If you talk with the residents of any country house, they will give you a definite answer - they need a subway.

Quote: Volodin

It is needed not only by Sakhalin itself, but also by the entire Far East.

Without the very serious economic and industrial development of Sakhalin, the many-billion-dollar bridge there is meaningless

[Ovsen]

Quote: Chertt

Without the very serious economic and industrial development of Sakhalin,

Or maybe build a bridge first? And then, will seriously develop Sakhalin economic and industrial? But it’s not very good with a ferry. Yes, and a little expensive.

[Chertt]

Quote: Lamb

Or maybe build a bridge first? And then, will seriously develop Sakhalin economic and industrial?

This must be done comprehensively. A unified development program. Separately, its components are meaningless.

[Ovsen]

Quote: Chertt

This must be done comprehensively.

Well, in your first post this was not to understand.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Chertt

Without the very serious economic and industrial development of Sakhalin, the many-billion-dollar bridge there is meaningless

In recent years, I read a lot of similar opinions in Ukrainian sites, regarding the bridge to the Crimea

[Chertt]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

In recent years, I read a lot of similar opinions in Ukrainian sites, regarding the bridge to the Crimea

You are trying to pull an owl on a globe. The situation of Crimea and Sakhalin is not comparable

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Chertt

You are trying to pull an owl on a globe. The situation of Crimea and Sakhalin is not comparable

Well of course, of course. On Sakhalin, people of the second grade. I understand

[Chertt]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Well of course, of course. On Sakhalin, people of the second grade. I understand

What are you about
#You eat fast

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Chertt

What are you about

I am about your integrated approach. When was the last time on Sakhalin?

[Grandfather Makar]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Chertt

Without the very serious economic and industrial development of Sakhalin, the many-billion-dollar bridge there is meaningless

In recent years, I read a lot of similar opinions in Ukrainian sites, regarding the bridge to the Crimea

Sasha agrees with you! All these ferries, etc. bullshit ... There will be a bridge, there will be economic development of Sakhalin .. There on tourism alone, only that kind of money can be raised! there you resident of the Far East is certainly more visible, write about it is very interesting ..!

[siberalt]

Yeah. You will build a bridge for us, and we will make you tourists. The Far East is not very interested there, but from the Urals and to the west, there the ticket price for most Russians is unbearable. What are you talking about?

[Grandfather Makar]

Quote: siberalt

The Far East is not very interested there, but from the Urals and to the west, there the ticket price for most Russians is unbearable. What are you talking about?

You are right, of course, but I’m talking about the future of the Russian Far East! Where you need to start all the same ..

[andj61]

Quote: Chertt

Without the very serious economic and industrial development of Sakhalin, the many-billion-dollar bridge there is meaningless

Of course, in this case there will be no sense. The meaning will be only if you immediately wave to two posts - from the mainland to Sakhalin and from Sakhalin to Hokkaido. Japan will immediately receive a train. connection with Europe.
.

Quote: scientist

The bridge to Sakhalin is of course needed by its residents and the Russian economy only +++. But most of all, the Japanese need him. Actually they are invited to invest in this project.

True, both on Sakhalin and in Japan. the track is different from ours and substantially narrower. We will have to solve this issue at the same time.

[sapporo1959]

So here I am, as a former Sakhalin resident, I’m still thinking what is going to be transported? If they only pile the fifth column into exile, then there will be a profit, well, without samurai, three wagons of fish per month will probably not pay back the costs ...

[Mih1974]

"terrible waste of money", "useless occupation" and a lot of similar things were said and written about Transib during the time of the Tsar !!! And every year this was "confirmed", but then the year 1941 happened And - more than EVERYTHING paid off. Now it’s time to expand it because "do not inhale or fart" on it, everything is loaded, and this has not yet been implemented The Trans-Korean Railway project .
I would understand if they were offering to build a bridge "across the pond" like Manilov’s, but here the WHOLE island of Sakhalin is 76 thousand square kilometers, half a million of our people. I didn’t even want to write about gas fields, but with railway. the bridge will be able to expand the port infrastructure of the Far East and drive trains directly from the island. It will also reduce the time of catch delivery - it can be unloaded to processing and freezing plants on the island and loaded onto wagons. . And this is only in my amateurish opinion, professionals will certainly find much more applications.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Volodin

talk with the residents of Sakhalin,

I live on Sakhalin and ferries moor under my windows. In the USSR, 9 of them worked. Now -3. And they manage, the cargo flow is not the same. And they go for 20 hours, instead of 8-9. And the bridge crossing is good, but there is nothing to carry, neither there, nor the court! The only plus is under its own power to fade to the mainland. Only who needs us there .....

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote from Uncle Lee

And the bridge crossing is good, only there is nothing to carry, neither there, nor the court!

And who of the commerce will invest in Sakhalin, if there is no communication with the island.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Does he need one?

There was such an Asgard, a special forces soldier, a car mechanic on the site. So here he wrote that the bridge to the Russian island wasn’t needed. I understood his parts, from Murmansk it’s, as it’s not very clear, the bridge in the distant seaside is fucked.
Because Igor, slipping into Vanino and tell the people there at the railway station-Most on Sakhalin is not needed. And given that at the train station in Vanino, people from all over the country are waiting for a ferry to Sakhalin, they will beat you for a long time
Hello

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

There was such a Asgard, a special forces soldier, a car mechanic on the site.

I remember now somewhere in Africa it works.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

people from all over the country are waiting for a ferry to Sakhalin

And to organize a normal ferry service is not fate? In Scandinavia, this works fine, and MUCH cheaper than building a bridge in an earthquake-prone area.

Hello

and you don’t get sick!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Ingvar 72

I remember now somewhere in Africa it works.

Well, you can call it Africa

Quote: Ingvar 72

And to organize a normal ferry service is not fate?

It does exist there, but if it storms, which happens very often, then I’ve made it on a ferry to Sakhalin, and after an hour on 19 I announced a storm from where they hadn’t taken anyone from the coast. 19 points. At that time, a pack of LM in stores cost 10 r, and in a ferry bar near 40 r. By the beginning of the 3 day, people had bought up at the bar, even Parliament on 80 r per pack. And after a short riot, the captain turned the ferry back to Vanino. I wouldn’t have had such a trip in my mouth.

[Chertt]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

and tell the people there at the station-bridge on Sakhalin is not needed. And given that at the station in Vanino, people from all over the country are waiting for a ferry to Sakhalin, they will beat you for a long time

This is understandable and correct. Across Russia, bridges and roads and the metro are needed. But the thought is this - if you build a multi-billion dollar bridge, it would be nice to do it “economically”

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Chertt

. But the thought is this - if you build a multi-billion dollar bridge, it would be nice to make it "economically viable"

This is already very profitable. The bridge will cease to be an island, the region will really begin to develop economically. Between Sakhalin and Vanino in a straight line, figs nothing. In good weather, Sakhalin can be seen from the hill of vanilla. But prices on Sakhalin, as if between them are thousands of kilometers.

[cariperpaint]

You really do not know Sakhalin, just write like that. What will develop there to justify investments of such a scale? As already mentioned above, it will become necessary and profitable only with the participation of Japan. There’s nothing else to come up with. This construction is not comparable with the Crimean bridge. This is not a black sea. There, the costs will be more dramatically.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: cariperpaint

You really do not know Sakhalin, just write like that. What will develop there to justify investments of such a scale? As already mentioned above, it will become necessary and profitable only with the participation of Japan

This is being discussed with the Japanese, as far as I know. The Sakhalin Hokaido project, a cargo delivery transport network.
I don’t know where you are from, but we have people who want to keep watch on Sakhalin, but there are no people who want to live there. You’ll get out of the hell out of there. And for something to start developing, you need a bridge. And then eating a golden Sakhalin fish is not very tasty

[cariperpaint]

From Khabarovsk. As mentioned above, just building a bridge and waiting for something to develop there is an epic stupidity, excuse me. One bridge is not enough. We need a complete and global development system for this region. and in her bridge it will be less than half of all investments. Roads, ports, railway airports. From Vanino, too, are not freeways, if that. To ensure this, we need new thermal power plants, and it is better to plan nuclear power plants as planned. Etc. I am only for such construction projects only wisely. And with the money. And the amounts there will be wild squared

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: cariperpaint

As mentioned above, just building a bridge and waiting for something to develop there is an epic stupidity, excuse me.

No one without a solid message will be invested there, too much travel costs.

Quote: cariperpaint

We need a complete and global development system for this region. and in it the bridge will be less than half of all investments. Roads, ports, railway airports.

I really argue with that

Quote: cariperpaint

From Vanino, too, are not freeways, if that.

There is a road to Lidoga, someone drives

[cariperpaint]

Of course they drive. Only if you build a bridge on this road is already easy to ride a little. And to lay a highway for such a bridge among the hills is not Tauris to lay along the plains. Further federal routes there also work to stupor.

[andrew42]

Well, let’s start now to start swapping the loot wherever bridges are needed, and especially for the prospect of a potential adversary (Sakhalin, in the event of a turmoil in the Far East, is a potentially occupied territory, the question is for how long before returning). And what about the bridges, so in Perm, on the federal (!) Highway, the only one from the west, they have not been able to repair (!) The bridge over the Suzyva rivulet (6 meters) for about 20 years. So there are 2 lanes on each side, waiting for a single-lane reverse. 3 km columns stand. So what about the “beat can” you can arrange to start the ring, Who won, that and slippers.

[sapporo1959]

Well, people generally prefer to take a plane rather than a ferry. Yes, and where to go by car from Sakhalin to such pensions and salaries as they pay if not an oilman and not a fisherman? Better to Thailand or Vietnam. It’ll be cheaper for anyone! It’s hard to go far with our Russian capitalism. It was not in vain that Kozak recently said about gas prices that the price of oil went up, and besides, our fuel prices are even lower than in the same Norway where they sell the same oil. I forgot to compare salaries ...

[Mountain shooter]

Such investments will not pay off, but it is necessary to build! Not everything can be considered simple arithmetic. For example, railways in Russia in the 19th century ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Such investments will not pay off, but it is necessary to build!

With horseradish? Can you imagine what Sakhalin is?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Can you imagine what Sakhalin is?

So tell us about it, otherwise we are all mainland.

[Same lech]

So tell us about it, otherwise we are all mainland.

Been there in the 90s ... hills, bears, walruses, Koreans, high humidity and the sea ... the region is original.
However, the seismic hazard is very ... there the village of Neftegorsk oil workers in the north of Sakhalin was destroyed to the foundation ... more than 2000 people died in a few minutes ... so we need to build there taking into account this factor.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Ingvar 72

So tell us about it, otherwise we are all mainland

Oil, gas, fish, gold. This is a very rich part of Russia. And the only reason why people do not really want to go there is the lack of a bridge. It is inconvenient to get out of there, and there too.

[st2st]

For four years I worked in Sakhalin as a shift (village of Prigorodnoye, Korsakovsky District, LNG Plant and OET Plant, and in Nevelsk, rebuilding the city after an earthquake). The bridge is needed, because there are construction costs. materials were sky-high due to logistics difficulties. And, about the prices of products imported from Russia, in general I am silent.

[Bongo]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And the only reason why people there do not really want to go is the absence of a bridge. It is inconvenient to get out of there, and there too.

Hi Sasha! Long time no intersection. In my opinion, here you are somewhat exaggerating. You can put the question differently, why people are leaving the Far East? The answer will be the same, why people do not go to live on Sakhalin.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Bongo

why do people leave the Far East? The answer will be the same why people do not go to live on Sakhalin.

Sergey, you know, when I drive along Khabarovsk, I’m the mother of Shport and our sorrow mayor. There you go along good roads. And such a road to Primorye itself. For this reason only, I have a desire to leave here. This is not at any gate. For a miracle I perceive that they decided to roll up Lenin.
Salaries, prospects, roads - it all adds up to one.

[sapporo1959]

And there’s oil and gold, but for some reason people don’t live there very well. So I think that it’s not just one bridge. Although they still talked about the bridge during the years of communism. And for example, in the port city of Korsakov, plain water is according to the idea. And the Communists were solving this problem and the non-local authorities are solving it, but there is still no water. And who will go if you don’t dare?

[Servisinzhener]

No one then could have predicted that thanks to them in 1941 it would be possible to save the country.

[Mih1974]

And you forgive hto by profession? No, I do not offend, but to understand your "competence". Because the phrase "does not pay off" at least implies Knowledge of the size of expenses and the ability to calculate ALL Revenues, both direct and indirect.
You know, there is one more important question - it’s “not profitable” to pay pensions to older people, but really, “who needs the old people?” the sooner they die, the faster they vacate housing for the young and, in general, this money can be donated by young people in “kurashavels” to young people. So yes, only then do people know about “such an old age” and they will have a different attitude towards the Country and their current life. So the State is not a “private company” for you to make a profit, therefore, all sorts of social benefits, obligations and much more - it does for “they will not pay off”. And the roads and bridges forever "paid off", except for absolutely "manilism". But I want to note the “Manilovism” was not that the bridge was Kamenny and not that it was “through the food”, and even less so that the “trade loves stood along” (it would just pay off), but that - You can go round forever without any efforts to build a stone bridge. And we have a completely different situation, your words can be attributed more to the Crimean one, because in the year 14 it would be “cheaper and easier” to “help” crush the Nazis along the Dnieper and to take control of the land route. Immediately (yes yes I am - Cap Evidence) there is no other alternative and the ferries, there already got everyone.

[Alex-a832]

It is completely impractical to build a bridge to Sakhalin either now or in the foreseeable future.

[LSA57]

Quote: Alex-a832

Completely impractical

thought of people? and what is “expediency” in relation to the population of Sakhalin?

[Alex-a832]

I thought. I am not saying that it is not needed. On the contrary, I believe that the development of the transport network is extremely important. Unfortunately, while the economy in the foreseeable future, such a bridge and infrastructure will not be pulled to it. A motorway with the Far East from the Center is also urgently needed, but the same problem ...
I measure the appropriateness of the conditions of finance state. budget for the foreseeable future. And this bridge will be clearly more expensive than the Crimean one.

[LSA57]

how do you know that our economy will master and what not? about the Crimean bridge they also said that the money in the middle of construction would end. there investors can be tightened and it will be cheaper

[Alex-a832]

Quote: LSA57

how do you know that our economy will master and what not? about the Crimean bridge they also said that the money in the middle of construction would end. there investors can be tightened and it will be cheaper

Will there be enough investors? I would not compare the Crimean bridge, both economically, strategically and politically, so there were no problems with investors. But I did not believe the predictors, liberals, pessimists, and I do not. The only thing that I did not think was that they would be commissioned half a year ahead of schedule.

[LSA57]

Quote: Alex-a832

Will there be enough investors

the Japanese are ready to invest

[Mih1974]

You are right "poke your face in yours." You will forgive: you own finances, figures on the budgets of Russia, on the surplus deficit, maybe the Finnish data on Sakhalin will fly. No no, I'm not talking about nonsense from Wiki, I'm talking about real numbers. Can you own analytics about prospects, deposits, fishing opportunities (water and on the island itself)?
Personally - shocked by such allegations . Yes, in my city there are also “pits on the roads”, and “there is no order”, but this is not the task of the State level to restore order in my city. Here we discuss (by the way, all obviously amateurs) the issue of level Country . Here you need not so much to think in your pocket. And then, how can liberalists be saved before the "Principality of Muscovy"?

[andj61]

Quote: Alex-a832

I thought. I am not saying that it is not needed. On the contrary, I believe that the development of the transport network is extremely important. Unfortunately, while the economy in the foreseeable future, such a bridge and infrastructure will not be pulled to it.

And in the construction of railway Japan-Europe highway, which inevitably passes through Sakhalin, does it make sense? In this case, the bridge to Sakhalin will be only one link in a much larger infrastructure project.

[Alex-a832]

Quote: andj61

And in the construction of railway Japan-Europe highway, which inevitably passes through Sakhalin, does it make sense? In this case, the bridge to Sakhalin will be only one link in a much larger infrastructure project.

If Japan got involved in this project, then Russia could participate, but participation would not be 50/50 money, but other interests - the main finances - Japanese, so that they would not jump from the project by order of the American occupiers. Their little egg is not an example of ours - they can pull the whole project. Then the bridge to Sakhalin will definitely appear. But I doubt that this is a prospect closer than 10 years.

[ssergn]

You forget one important point - such projects themselves are the stimulation of the domestic market, domestic demand. These are colossal budget revenues, this is the employment of thousands of jobs, this will spur subcontractors and the construction industry.
This is what China is doing, especially when an unfavorable external background is either sanctions or a global crisis, when there is a drop in world demand for everything. (a familiar situation is not it?). That is, when there is no external demand, they come up with how to stimulate internal demand.

[Alex-a832]

Quote: ssergn

You forget one important point - such projects themselves are the stimulation of the domestic market, domestic demand. These are colossal budget revenues, this is the employment of thousands of jobs, this will spur subcontractors and the construction industry.

There is nothing to argue about employment, but about budget revenues before the implementation of the project, if the project itself is financed from our budget, it is you who have turned too much. It was possible to work on large projects and participate in the analysis of investment programs, so I can say with almost 100% probability that if the Japanese or home-grown oligarchs are not investors, our budget will be in the red. There are areas that are more interesting for budget investments, including for creating a similar number of jobs.

[ssergn]

Here you are only looking for direct benefits, and look one step ahead "will spur allies and the construction industry". This, in the end, will not give additional revenue to the budget? There was something else above about the Chinese experience. Yes, and tax revenues from contracts directly where to go? With the current administration you won’t hide much ...
BUT "employment "is this not a tax base? Even at the first stage, part of the budget will come back in the form of revenues ... And if it is not budget financing in its pure form, but, let's say, a public-private partnership?
So I say, there would be a desire ...

[kenig1]

500 thousand people, the construction of the bridge is lobbying coal miners.

[cariperpaint]

The cost of this bridge will be such that the number of people is easier to take out from there by the first class of Aeroflot and to buy than to build each apartment. Now it’s not the USSR, now such things need to be done only clearly knowing what will be in the ward.

[LSA57]

Quote: cariperpaint

The cost of this bridge will be such that the number of people is easier to take out from there by the first class of Aeroflot and to buy than to build each apartment.

value already voiced. just under 600 billion
people to take out and the island itself to sell to the Japanese?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: LSA57

just under 600 billion

Sergey - you need to figure out how many years later he will pay off, under favorable development conditions. And to estimate whether it is cheaper to establish a NORMAL ferry crossing, similar to the one in the Crimea of ​​2015. During the year, the cargo-passenger flow was tripled.

[LSA57]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Sergey - you need to figure out how many years later he will pay off,

Igor, what does it pay for, does not pay off? Yes, ever. this is not an economic project, we are talking about PEOPLE.

And to estimate whether it is cheaper to establish a NORMAL ferry crossing,

and weather control too? if it slows down, then not for one day. no ferry will save.
why in the Crimea then did not create a NORMAL ferry crossing? The conditions are much more comfortable. Why are Crimean residents better than Sakhalin? both those and those citizens of Russia

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: LSA57

it is about PEOPLE.

Oh and naive you are Serge! Our gas pipelines are pulling in three different directions at the same time, and at the same time, half of Russia is not gasified. My mother lives in the village of PGT, so they promised gas to our street in 2015, + 100t.r. for connection. (By the way, I would like to get a clear economic justification for this hundredth). By Togliatti standards, a freebie. But things are still there. The road is gravel and gravel, and according to counts there have been asphalt for ten years!
And you're talking about people ... It’s not necessary to raise the Far East with a bridge, but with a complex of measures. And start like Vasiliev in Dagestan.
P.S. Excuse me, didn’t you offend you?

[LSA57]

Quote: Ingvar 72

The Far East is not necessary to raise the bridge, but a set of measures.

and this is a set of measures. they just say MOST, I mean the whole complex of measures. when they say HOUSE they say that there will be gas, water, sewage, lighting ???? and so it is clear

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: LSA57

when they say HOUSE tell

Serega’s house is built from the foundation, and not from flights of stairs.

[LSA57]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Serega’s house is being built from the foundation, and not from flights of stairs

Igor, how do you know where to start? rested on the word MOST and do not see anything. Crimean bridge where did we start ??? immediately began to drive piles ?????

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Alex-a832

It is completely impractical to build a bridge to Sakhalin either now or in the foreseeable future.

There was a cry from the Garden Ring district, Moscow

[Alex-a832]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Alex-a832

It is completely impractical to build a bridge to Sakhalin either now or in the foreseeable future.

There was a cry from the Garden Ring district, Moscow

I do not digest the spirit of Moscow. He lived at a distance of 400-4000 km. from the Garden Ring ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Alex-a832

He lived at a distance of 400-4000 km. from the Garden Ring

You know what widespread strangeness is, it is that people from the west of the country think what is needed and what is not needed by the Far East. And I'm living in the Far East when I read

Quote: Alex-a832

It is completely impractical to build a bridge to Sakhalin, neither now nor in the foreseeable future

Quote: Ingvar 72

Does he need one?

Quote: Vard

why the hell is he needed ..

I would like to write, to all those living in the west of the country and writing similar-And you would not go to hell. The Far East is a Russian Klondik, There is everything! But you are so far from understanding this that it makes no sense for you to explain it.

[Alex-a832]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I would like to write to everyone living on and writing like-Would you go to hell. The Far East is a Russian Klondik, There is everything! But they are so far from understanding this that it makes no sense for you to explain it.

No unnecessary emotions. I lived in the off-road klondike of Russia, and I have some understanding. But from the point of view of ensuring a stable economy and defense of Russia, when the world is heading for a global war, I am forced to look at such things with a degree of cynicism. First, it is necessary to build a highway from the Urals to the Far East, for the development of the mainland, and there the bridge to Sakhalin will be tightened. Something like this.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Alex-a832

when the world is heading for global war

Well, based on this, now we need to conduct not the World Cup, but to build bunkers throughout the country.

Quote: Alex-a832

First you need to build a highway from the Urals to the Far East,

Actually, there is a road.

[Alex-a832]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Well, based on this, now we need to conduct not the World Cup, but to build bunkers throughout the country.

Maybe so.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Actually, there is a road.

I’m not talking about the "you can drive" category, but about a four-lane highway (two in each direction), with infrastructure to provide road transit between Europe and the Far East.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Alex-a832

I’m not talking about the "drive-by" category, but about a four-lane highway (two in each direction), with infrastructure

There are already two lanes in each direction, with a bunch of cafes, gas stations, parking lots, campsites and saunas along the highway.

[cariperpaint]

C'mon?)))) To Chita and then?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: cariperpaint

) to Chita and then?

The road to Komsomolsk from Khabara is worse

[Mih1974]

And can you see the "lucky ones" voluntarily skating "from Kaliningrad to Sakhalin"? No, I do not mind, I mean that drive a car 8000 km it is really possible to fool around. No, I do not propose to “break” the road, of course it is needed and it needs to be done better “and wider,” but even so for such distances the train is much more important. Perhaps even it is worth agreeing with the Chinese proposal for a high-speed road.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Mih1974

And can you see the "lucky ones" voluntarily skating "from Kaliningrad to Sakhalin"? No, I do not mind, I mean that drive a car 8000 km

It will be much more 8000 km.

Quote: Mih1974

it needs to be done better and wider,

You see the flow of machines, the meaning of doing it wider

[Mih1974]

Um, I'm sorry - I have no idea what the "movement" is and I don’t know the needs. I just wanted the locals to have a ROAD (good without holes) and not "narrow" so that there would be no "steam trains" and pandemoniums.
Again, you need to take into account each locality separately, maybe between some cities there is enough of the current one, but where "well, at least cut it", you need to have a wider one.
After all, there is no problem "to make the four-lane road from A to B, and the two-lane from B to C" . For there are very few really traveling from Vladik to Moscow, most of the most likely "local" traffic is, here where there are a lot of them - there is "expand".

[ssergn]

Alexey, all this must be done in parallel. And first, then, then sho - this is like an excuse. And by the way, the issue of financing is also solved. It would be a desire.

[Svarog51]

Sanya

I would like to write, to all those living in the west of the country and writing similar-And you would not go to hell. The Far East is a Russian Klondik, There is everything! But you are so far from understanding this that it makes no sense for you to explain it.

You won’t understand. Talk about Sakhalin - so why do the Western ones get along? And yesterday, too, you criticized everyone about Belarus. We are closer to Belarus here. He snapped off all the Far Eastern shrimp stocks, let us at least enjoy Belarusian food.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Svarog51

You won’t understand. Talk about Sakhalin - so why do the Western ones get along? And yesterday, you also criticized everyone about Belarus.

Not all, do not la la. And I’ll remind you if I forgot, there was Victory in the second, and if you think that this applies, only to the west of the country. ........

Quote: Svarog51

He snapped off all the Far Eastern shrimp stocks, let us at least enjoy Belarusian dishes.

Eating Sakhalin shrimp in Belarus is about the same as smoking real American Marlboro for 850 p per pack

[79807420129]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Not all, do not la la. And I’ll remind you if I forgot, there was Victory in the second, and if you think that this applies, only to the west of the country.

Sanya Victory concerns everyone, Luka Luka, Putin Putin, and the people are united, artificially divided, and the same Belarusians on the site do not share Victory, then one country was the USSR. I, too, do not respect Luka for his multi-vector nature, but this is Belarusians choice, and ours was March 18 this year.

[Svarog51]

And what did the forum users from Belarus want to take away our victory? Here it is not necessary la-la. They fought with the whole Union. Well, celebrate differently and what?
So the Far East in European Russia is not sold for a penny. I don’t eat them, but occasionally I need to pamper the child. But it’s expensive. Belarusian is cheaper.
Real Cuban cigars are even more expensive than Marlboros. But with a strong desire, you can allow it once. I've been smoking for a permanent Yaroslavl "Balkan Star", and now it was sold to some busurmans and released by "Parker & Simpson". And the price soared from 35 to 85 rubles in three years. They say everything is due to excise taxes. They are probably saving money for the bridge? So I don't buzz, smoke, cry and cry. But I understand that the bridge is needed.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Svarog51

And what did the forum users from Belarus want to take away our victory? Here it is not necessary la-la. They fought with the whole Union.

And what do they have to do with it, they are just an instrument. I can’t call Lukashenka and say that he is driving.

Quote: Svarog51

Well, celebrate differently and what?

Come on the second time we will not breed the topic, I have no desire

Quote: Svarog51

And the price for three years soared from 35 to 85 rubles.

Through 3, you will buy it at the price of parliament

Quote: 79807420129

and the people are united, artificially divided

I wrote this yesterday, I received so many spits from the patriots of independence, it is not clear from whom and why

[Svarog51]

Through 3, you will buy it at the price of parliament

I’ll be, where am I going? What bridge will they build on Sakhalin?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The Far East is a Russian Klondik

Write about this to Putin! Sanya - the bridge is not a panacea! Far Eastern hectare how does it work? But the noise was! Far East needs to be developed differently, without ur projects.

[ssergn]

And if this bridge is part of the Japan-Russia-China / South transit land transition. Korea?
If I’m not stupid, it seems to me that they even started discussing this project with Japan, or, somehow, probing the ways of its implementation.
And Japan simply dreams of such a route, and the Chinese would not mind. So with international cooperation, such a project is quite feasible and more than profitable.

[Alex-a832]

Quote: ssergn

And Japan simply dreams of such a route, and the Chinese would not mind. So with international cooperation, such a project is quite feasible and more than profitable.

Earlier, I answered your comment in this vein. The point is that only with international cooperation will it be a profitable project, while foreign investors will make the majority of investments, and builders and materials from us, including the creation of joint production enterprises to support this construction, are welcomed

[ANCIENT]

Previously, we will fly to Alpha Centauri, and return to Earth, than this ill-fated bridge to Sakhalin will be built!

[Vard]

A bridge to Sakhalin ... well, add ten rubles to the cost of a liter of gasoline and build ... Only someone will clearly explain ... why he needs it there ...

[LSA57]

Quote: Vard

Only someone will clearly explain ... why the hell there is needed ...

try

Oleg Kozhemyako:
On Sakhalin, life is more expensive than those of the Far East, where there is direct transport links.

few?

It is known that ordinary residents of Sakhalin also addressed questions about the possibility of building a bridge to Vladimir Putin.

here they need him. people they want to live like people. storming there a lot.
and imagine that from Sasha the city will be cut ALL roads and it will be possible to reach you only by plane? presented? fun?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vard

... why the hell is there ...

Stay on Sakhalin for three months and you’ll immediately get it. You won’t even have to explain anything

[sdc_alex]

And why this bridge was not built in Soviet times?
If you really need him without him at all, how?

PySy: with Crimea it’s clear why they didn’t build it ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: sdc_alex

And why this bridge was not built in Soviet times?

In Soviet times, from Komsomolsk to Khabarovsk, there was no road, they say it was not built, so that the Chinese would not have reached.

[sdc_alex]

"So that every occupant gets stuck on the outskirts"
great approach

If we are already building a bridge to Sakhalin, then let us establish a railway connection with Khanty-Mansiysk ... otherwise we can only go there by car or plane ... but people suffer, you understand, suffer ...
And not only in Khanty, we have half of the Siberian north without railway.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: sdc_alex

then let’s fix the railway message from Khanty-Mansiysk ..

And Magadan, and Kamchatka? And to Chukotka, then a bridge to Alaska

[sdc_alex]

Give each island a bridge !!!

for five years !!!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: sdc_alex

Give each island a bridge!

Magadan, Chukotka and Kamchatka are not islands. Kamchatka Peninsula

[sdc_alex]

Geographically - yes, not islands. And in life - even like the ISLANDS!

[Servisinzhener]

Also back at that time in her native harbor . The transport accessibility of Magadan will be greatly affected by the bridge across the Lena River in Yakutsk and Aldan.

[cariperpaint]

Where do you get all this from? Komsomolsk in your opinion grew up in the middle of an empty space?)))

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: cariperpaint

Komsomolsk in your opinion grew up in the middle of an empty space?)))

Actually, yes, in 1932 in the place of Komsomolsk there was a taiga

[cariperpaint]

Well. And in the middle of the taiga, without roads, without a damn city arose. Did the builders drop there?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: cariperpaint

Well. And in the middle of the taiga, without roads, without a damn city arose.

Yes exactly. On the bank of the Amur was the village of Perm, they lived on the river. Although it is difficult to call it a village. Now Komsomolsk is in its place. And the first builders of the city landed - the landing site of the first builders-Komsomol members of 10.05.1932
The landing site of the first builders-Komsomol members of 10.05.1932

On May 10 on November 1932, near the village of Perm, located in the lower reaches of the Amur, in the marshy swampy taiga region, the Columbus, Komintern and Klara Zetkin steamboats and the first Komsomol members, the builders of the new city of Komsomolsk, moored to the shore.
At night, in an icy torrential rain, 28 large tents were set up. In them, as well as in barns, sheds and in the attics of the houses of local residents, Komsomol members settled on their first night. Those who were not provided with shelter were forced to spend the night right on the ground near bonfires.
http://khabkrai-nasledie.ru/komsomolsk-na-amure/c
at / mesto-vysadki-pervostroitelej-komsomolcev-1005
1932

[cariperpaint]

I’m talking about something else) then how was the city built without a road?)))

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: cariperpaint

I’m talking about something else) then, without a road, how did they build a city?))

The railway message was then built, but at first everything was dragged along the Amur

[cariperpaint]

All this is half-truth or something.))) The road there back in the year 16 began to build last century. Do not forget about Vanino. Another thing is that the road was not to say so for all seasons) swamps, no bridges or wretched. In fact, in 80 the road became year-round and that's it) here is such an extreme)))

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: cariperpaint

Do not forget about Vanino

Where is Vanino, and where is Komsomolsk. The road from Vanino takes off on Lidog, and this is 180 km to Komsomolsk

Quote: cariperpaint

. Another thing is that the road was not to say so for all seasons)

Quote: cariperpaint

. Another thing is that the road was not to say so for all seasons)

In the best times of the year, greiders walked there twice a week, and the Japanese crawled on their belly along this road. This is in 80 e, and before that no one went to Khabara

[Bongo]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

In Soviet times, from Komsomolsk to Khabarovsk, there was no road, they say it was not built, so that the Chinese would not have reached.

In 80 already. Another question is what quality? But now, in places it is difficult to call it expensive.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Bongo

In 80 already existed.

Sergey is healthy. At the end of 80 there were a bunch of unpaved places. Now, to Nanaika more or less, 150 can be calmly walked, but further there is a patching. Well, 4 of the primer area remained, they promise to do it before August. Even the take-off and that killed, all in patches

[cariperpaint]

Take-off is a wonderful place))) the tradition was to stop there and drink a bottle of cognac))) where did the story go silent)))

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: cariperpaint

Take-off is a wonderful place))

Once it was wonderful, now it is all in patching.

Quote: cariperpaint

the tradition was to stop there and drink a bottle of cognac))

I have not heard about such a tradition
And here you bring the lady to the Sarapulsky rock, 100% will give. I know about such a tradition

[76rtbr]

I remember there were exhibiting their P-18s with PORI and so on during exercises from the brigade of the 73rd km.

[Mih1974]

In Soviet times and in the Crimea, the bridge was not pulled, but by the way, they tried to start a tunnel under the sea to cut down Sakhalin about Comrade Stalin (analogue near Lamansh).

[Vard]

Great ... take a loan from a bank ... the whole island ... it's a million for a brother ... pay fifty years later ... You won’t pay the neighbors ... why should we ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vard

You don’t pay the apartment to the neighbors ... why should we ..

But Sakhalin is not Russia for you. Are you by any chance, when you refuel, you don’t lift the hose so that you would pour an extra liter of gasoline?

[Vard]

No ... My homeland is the Samara region .... We, unlike Sakhalin, donations from the center do not exist at all ... We are the donor region ... You read the Sakhalin budget ... they may well pull it yourself ...

[ssergn]

Quote: Vard

Well, add ten rubles to the cost of a liter of gasoline and build

Not necessarily.

[vadimtt]

Maybe Musk is not so mistaken in the case of a hyper-loop railway connection? It is not bad to have a railway from west to east with the ability to get from the same Moscow to Sakhalin in three to four hours. With such a transport solution, life in Russia will change dramatically and there will be no need to talk about the futility of the Far Eastern hectare if you can get from St. Petersburg to your cottage near Vladivostok for sane time

[ssergn]

Maybe not mistaken. Transport is like an artery in the economy, and any transport. And it needs to be developed. But in our country there are moments that seem to be obvious, but their solution takes place in some terrible agony (as if giving birth to a hedgehog).
A simple example (understandable to all Ural residents). Take the Ural Federal District with the center in Yekaterinburg. To the nearest regional centers (Chelyabinsk, Tyumen, Perm and further Ufa, Kurgan) the route fits into 500 km. But even to the nearest Chelyabinsk there is still no full two-lane highway. Today, these roads are already turning into a brake. Those who ever traveled between these cities will understand me (especially looking at the curbs, which in many places already look like cemeteries). Yes, a mega project, but it is needed, even as needed. Good express roads are not just a push, they will give a kick to the development of the region. And now the situation is such that you can drive tens of kilometers in attempts to overtake a string of trucks. And I’m sure that the same situation is in many other regions, especially with a high population density.

[zan_parti]

I read somewhere the rationale that it would be beneficial if you pull the bridge first to Sakhalin, and then to Japan. And to Japan, pull together with the Japanese, towards each other

[Galleon]

Why, what is there to Japan - come right away to America - on a global scale! And then the depths of the Laperouse Strait are only up to 118m - the scope is not the bridge to build! Well, if you waved - do not hold. Further through the Kuril Islands to Kamchatka pull, so as not to stop. And to repair roads in the Yaroslavl region and the Vladimir region, where hundreds of thousands of people live, it’s shallow.

[Masya masya]

Is there a bridge to Sakhalin?

no, no ... weather conditions are not the same ... we always have the weather to blame ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Masya Masya

no not to be.

All diverging men, the question is closed

[RUS96]

Anyone carrying cargo to Sakhalin by ferry will understand that the bridge should be !!!

[LSA57]

Quote: RUS96

Who carried the cargo to Sakhalin by ferries,

moreover, when the storm and ferry does not go for several days

[sleeve]

Maybe all the same tunnel?

[Freeman]

Quote: sleeve

Maybe all the same tunnel?

I am also behind the tunnel. And I propose to build it using the technology of the 50s, that is, Kyle and trolleys with manual haulage. And to send convicts for corruption to construction.
I don’t know what the economic effect will be, but the educational will be huge.

[sleeve]

In the neighborhood, deportation. The people are no longer very powerful, we will dig for a long time, although it will be closely on the site. Generally of course a good idea. Not true for everyone. Anything from a million rubles.

[geniy]

But in vain you are. Now you can build an underwater tunnel not by drilling in rock, but like the Turks built under the Bosphorus Strait: that is, a concrete pipe is being built and laid on the bottom of the strait. Fast and relatively cheap.

[sleeve]

A.a. Well, the same is a normal option. The only exit point to the surface. A good option.

[geniy]

The exit points to the surface seem to me a little problem too. Because before laying a concrete tunnel pipe (for example, with a diameter of 6 meters - at the bottom across the strait, it is advisable to dig a ditch 6 meters deep at the tunnel laying site so that the reinforced concrete pipe lies flush with the bottom of the strait - just in case the tunnel becomes protruding above the bottom would not have hit the seabeds with their bottoms. The fact is that when the Baikal vessel with a draft of probably 4 meters was looking for the way through the strait, it could hardly find an easy passage. And many sea vessels have a draft of 10 meters. Outer diameter of the tunnel - 7 meters. That’s why it is advisable to completely bury it in the ground. And this is not so difficult, because as a rule in most places of the seabed the top layer of soil is soft silt. And also the entry and exit points must be laid into a deep ditch, because landfast ice is always formed off the coast - the thickest ice, which when moving will easily damage the entry and exit points of the concrete tunnel if they are not buried in Runt.

[Simon]

Quote: Thrall

According to the scheme, first you need to give Sakhalin to Japan, then return ...

What is presented, then you will not return!

[Igor-03-01-56]

First you need to calculate its payback. Even if deputies travel by train to Moscow, it will stretch for centuries ...

[ghby]

Quote: Igor-03-01-56

First you need to calculate its payback.

somewhere there should be a smiley beating his head against a brick wall. The bridge to Sakhalin is not a commercial facility, the need and the justification should be taken into account, not the payback. A whole region is cut off from the mainland, and they are all about payback. Spectacular managery pancake.

[faiver]

and when will the bridge be built across Lena at Yakutsk? suck out gold, diamonds, oil, gas, and much more from the republic, and in return zilch ...

[tun5t]

Figs you, not ours you - so Muscovites think. Far away, and they have problems nearby. Why only concentrated power and loot?

[faiver]

it’s so funny that before the 2014 year all issues with Moscow were resolved and they were going to build, but then Crimea happened and the funding went to the Crimean bridge, and we stayed with a nose - every year in spring and autumn cars with people drown, the prices for crossing this year reached to 3 thousand per person on air cushions in 20 minutes of driving ....

[Servisinzhener]

This is a universal justification for the inaction of local authorities and various services. All the money went to the Olympics, Crimea, Chepionat, the war in Syria .... etc.

[Simon]

Quote: sleeve

Maybe all the same tunnel?

The tunnel is certainly much better, but how will it lead underground? Very often earthquakes occur there, and on top of the sea strait! A crack and everything will flood with water.

[sleeve]

The question is then solved completely. Reserves for moving, "floating body" of the tunnel. All that. But still more reliable bridge. Yes, and cheaper. Yes, and more likely. The depths there are not Kerch. I can hardly imagine a support. Do not pour a dam? And then I cut the Shield and quietly build it. Two shields at once, or three. How much strength is enough. And you look eight kilometers in a couple of years.

[Svarog51]

There in watering and so the depths are not great. A pipe on the bottom can put a cross on large-capacity shipping. So either a bridge or a tunnel under the strait.

[Bolo]

Shake more Khoroshavins on Sakhalin, and there will be money, otherwise they stole the very tomatoes, and also the Japanese residency is working.

[BAI]

The depths and seismic there are completely different. It is not a fact that it can be built at all.

[Moskovit]

The total project cost is estimated at 540,3 billion rubles, of which almost half (252,8 billion rubles) will be spent on the construction of a 6-kilometer bridge. Another 100 billion rubles will be required to modernize the transport infrastructure in Sakhalin. The bridge to Sakhalin, in terms of kilometer, will cost 3,5 times more expensive than the Crimean bridge. The project is planned to be prepared within 3 years. In the case of its successful coordination, construction will begin in 2019, and will be completed in 2023.

At the end of 2017, the net outflow of capital from Russia in the private sector in 2017 increased by 58% compared to the previous year and reached $ 31,3 billion = 2 trillion rubles.

That's all arithmetic. 3,6 bridges per year.

[bald]

Serious construction. Depths looked - allow (up to 25 m). With an increased seismicity zone, designers will have to tinker. Or maybe the Japanese. They have great experience in suspension bridges and mistakes after strong earthquakes were corrected.

[Grandfather Makar]

Quote: bald

Or maybe the Japanese. They have great experience in suspension bridges and mistakes after strong earthquakes were corrected.

I agree, it is better to build this together with the Japanese, make friends at the same time, we will talk heart to heart, etc.
And the bridge is definitely needed Vladimir! It’s better not to save on this, it’s a direct connection with Russia and our firmness in maintaining the integrity of the territory, even controversial!
And the Japanese, these are not Chinese and Koreans .. If you come to us with serious projects and investments!

[bald]

Hi Vitaliy. It is clear that Japanese specialists are needed. But no matter how they asked, in return for money, some sort of South Kuril island. And such an offer will certainly be. That is - you are our island - we build a bridge for free. How to be

[Grandfather Makar]

Quote: bald

And such an offer will certainly be. That is - you are our island - we build a bridge for free. How to be

In no case, read my comment below Vladimir! There, such territories will immediately leave them because of these four islets ...

[bald]

Well wrote and showed there, there is nothing to add

[Freeman]

Quote: bald

Serious construction. Depths looked - allow (up to 25 m). With an increased seismicity zone, designers will have to tinker. Or maybe the Japanese. They have great experience in suspension bridges and mistakes after strong earthquakes were corrected.

The Japanese and the tunnels are built by masters, and it shakes there no less than on Sakhalin.

Tunnel seikan - a railway tunnel in Japan with a length of 53,85 km with an underwater fragment 23,3 km long. The tunnel sinks to a depth of about 240 meters, 100 meters below the level of the seabed. It lies under the Sangar Strait, connecting Aomori Prefecture on the Japanese island of Honshu and Hokkaido

I'm for the tunnel. For the bridge can also "stand up" due to weather conditions, for example, icy after a storm.

[bald]

The tunnel is also an option. The tunnel in Japan, passing under water, is 23.3 km., And there are only seven. Also read my addition, a little higher, to Grandfather-Makar.

[Graz]

the bridge is needed without a doubt the homeland should be settled more evenly, and the oligarchs who will run from England to the homeland should sponsor, a fine, so to speak

[petr petrov]

Under Stalin, the tunnel began to build !!!!!

[Grandfather Makar]

Quote: Petr petrov

Under Stalin, the tunnel began to build !!!!!

Exactly ! And in the days of the USSR, there were grandiose construction projects .. And yet, that many people somehow especially forget in "our mass media" hehe

On March 15, 2014, by a decision of the UN Commission session, 1600000 square kilometers of a resource-rich territory of crucial strategic importance were allocated to the exclusive economic zone of Russia. By the way, Crimea moved to Russia the next day, March 16, 2014, and its area is only 27.000 km2.
Just 1 day before the “Crimean Question” they managed to get the gorgeous bonus that they have been seeking since 2001. I am sure that if the Russian authorities had not managed to jump into the last car of the departing train, then in today's geopolitical realities this UN decision would not have been possible.

Well, about the controversial islands, everything is clear guys!
Japan wants to return several islands of the Kuril chain: Kunashir, Shikotan, Habomai and Iturup. And the point is not that they supposedly need territory for settlement. The fact is that, due to the belonging of these islands, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is internal, Russian. And if these islands are surrendered to Japan, then we will lose the whole sea. Also there will appear NATO military bases.
So MOST needs to be built urgently, and not even one! And also a powerful Fleet, there we have something to protect for future generations!

Well, so figuratively so that EVERYTHING is clear!

[USSR_Partizan]

This bridge (tunnel, etc.), we are islanders, have been waiting for a whole century ... And still probably the same wait ...

[Arikkhab]

A bridge? Better tunnel!

[Nitarius]

at least the project needs to be done ... and counted financially! and calculations and so on! it will be necessary to watch in fact!

[A. Privalov]

What is already a trifle? Let's go straight through the Bering Strait to Alaska.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Build a bridge to Sakhalin !!! All that we spend on this bridge will go to our factories, our workers and engineers, and the benefits of the bridge will be enormous; all this will greatly affect the development of the entire Far Eastern region of Russia ...
Gold reserves in Russia are more than 460 billion dollars, the budget is 250 billion a year, there is something to build on, and the Kerch bridge proved that we can ...

[cariperpaint]

There is no benefit from this bridge until Japan somehow connects with it. Who will ride on this bridge? Workers? The oil industry? Or tourists in the Crimea, hundreds of thousands? Yes shaz. A. Probably the products will become cheaper? Then drive the stigma of the bridge and calculate the stigma of the products. Will the products probably go there for 100000 cars a day? For whom? Probably the business will run quickly overtaking each other there? Yes with a fig? Let's say they built a bridge. Probably thousands of cars will travel from Sakhalin in orderly columns every day. Laden with fish?) They will take the road to Lidoga and stand there all together for weeks. Give me a new megastructure of the highway among the hills.

[Hiw]

The bridge to Sakhalin is great, but it seems to me that the main engine of this project will again be profit from construction, just as the Crimean bridge does not cost four and a half billion, and Sakhalin will cost the people the same extra money. But the bridge with cars and railways message definitely needed

[ssergn]

Quote: HIW

like the Crimean bridge is not worth four and a half billion

I’m embarrassed to ask, did you personally make estimates?

[Hiw]

There is such a thing as comparative analysis - in China there are bridges more and cheaper at times, and in America too - search the Internet, dear. And also - in our parliament the proposal of the communists has already been submitted to check the estimated cost for compliance with reality but ... the faction of united Russia rejected the majority of goals - doesn’t that tell you anything ??? And also the Communists asked at a meeting of the Duma - why the estimated cost of the bridge increased 4 times !!! that is, at first they counted and said one cost ..... then it seemed a little and said more, and off it went - it’s clear to the fool that everything is not clean. And whatever you say, but why did the UDRP vote against the parliamentary verification of the cost of the bridge ???

[cariperpaint]

In Crimea, you are wrong. Investments will be repelled in a couple of decades, which is normal in our time. This is a tourist place and this bridge will give a terrible kick for the development of this direction. All of you will be followed by ides of services, trade, construction. What you can earn on. But with Sakhalin, of course, everything is more complicated

[Servisinzhener]

They say here that there is nothing like that on Sakhalin to build such an expensive bridge there. But judging by the stocks of banknotes from the former governor, there is something to profit from on Sakhalin. And if you shake any colonels all over the country, you can build a strait through the Berengov.

[tank66]

Yes, I don’t care about the bridge or the tunnel, we’ll ask the Wassermans. But this is a chance to give people work not only in the Far East, but also in the Urals. Of course, in St. Petersburg someone will buy a drum, pah, Stradivarius cello, in Moscow, a Spanish vineyard, in U-Sakhalinsk a collection of watches and pens. But. cease to die city-forming steel plants, cement plants. Infrastructure will rise along the way. Well, and the yellow neighbors carrots - privileges to travel on the Russian Railways, if from themselves a bridge to Krillon prokinut.Mozhno order, special to establish, with pants "For the construction of bridges"

[nod739]

as well as the nuclear forces reached Yakutsk ... but there is no bridge over the Lena ...
although it seems they should have started building somewhere in the year 16 .... but here the Crimea, not to the Yakut bridge ..

[Mentat]

Quote: Teberii

From the beginning, to transfer the bridge from the Kuril Islands to Japan. And then let them finish the rest. But seriously, the message is the more reliable, the better.

Connection with Japan has already been discussed, the initiators were the Japanese themselves. This project is also quite feasible.

[faterdom]

God willing, we will build! This bridge is a hundred times more necessary than championships and competitions of all kinds. There alone fish products will be enough for the whole country, and not what sprats, but red fish! And now there is simply no logistics for it, it can only be eaten on the spot.

[Xscorpion]

Quote: Dr_Engie

Well yes. Is it better to spend X money to improve the life of less than a million people, or the same money to improve the life of much more people?

How will those lives improve from this? From a couple of thousand rubles of a one-time payment, you will live right and buy a villa in the Maldives? At least have finished school? Because you don’t know how to see.

Quote: Felix

and the construction of a full-fledged railway connection with Sakhalin.

In order to organize a full-fledged communication, you will also have to reconstruct the 1520 mm gauge on the island itself, and, accordingly, the rolling stock, locomotive fleet and all that’s all. But that’s not the point - the bridge is definitely needed, if only automobile, because it will reduce the cost of living on the island and increase the standard of living.

Yes, it seems they have been rebuilding for more than ten years.

Quote: cariperpaint

You really do not know Sakhalin, just write like that. What will develop there to justify investments of such a scale? As already mentioned above, it will become necessary and profitable only with the participation of Japan. There’s nothing else to come up with. This construction is not comparable with the Crimean bridge. This is not a black sea. There, the costs will be more dramatically.

What’s the cost? It’s the largest island in Russia, half a million people live there, oil, gas, fish. Yes, many woodworking and other enterprises closed at the time because of unprofitability. But there will be a bridge, there will be cheaper and faster transportation, it will come to life, there are many who want to buy these closed enterprises or build new ones. I am silent about the military significance. On this bridge it will be possible to deploy troops, quickly deploy additional air defense systems, missile defense systems and much more. And as the bridge is built, I suspect that military power is in this the region will strengthen, if only because additional forces of the military and the National Guard will be deployed to protect it. How much will this bridge cost? Write 600 billion re. This is 4 thousand re from each person in the country. Will you become richer? You will forget the next day about this money, even if you were given it. But calm down, no one will take it from you, it’s a penny for the budget. One month of extra profit from the sale of oil because of its higher price than was planned in budget. And it has already been approved that the construction of the bridge will be carried out with these funds. Moreover, Russian Railways say that half of this amount will go to transport infrastructure, that is, access roads and railways, and more. They will not only build the bridge, and the transport infrastructure of a rather large region. Whiners, .. They whine that Far East and Siberia are not developing, but somehow they will begin to build, so crying begins, children are starving, grandmothers are malnourished ..

[serg2.72]

Quote: RASKAT

My opinion may be annoying for many, but let's think logically. 500 000 people live in Sakhalin, plus or minus. Such is the multimillion-dollar tourist flow as in Crimea is not there. All major cities of Sakhalin are located in the south of the island, while the bridge is planned in the narrowest place of the Tatar Strait in the north of the island. The nearest major city, where you can get from Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk is Komsomolsk-on-Amur, the distance between them is about 1000 km. To Khabarovsk about 1200, to Vladivostok about 2000 km. Who will go there by car and how many will there be? It’s easier to establish air traffic, raise the standard of living, and lower prices for goods. A railway bridge is perhaps necessary, an automobile one is unlikely.

Why are we angry? We know perfectly well that Sakhalin, Kamchatka, my native Siberia are the richest regions with huge potential !! And Crimea is the Holodroots. He, whom you don’t ask, already got everyone.

[red wolf]

I read your comments and it became sad. Is it really not clear that with this approach we will lose the country. Yes, roads and bridges need to be worth not only as some say "in the ass of the world" but also in western Russia. But there is one thing. And it is the main thing! Created precedents for the accession of territories. Nearby are 2 rapidly developing nations that need not only additional territories but also resources. 1. As early as a week the inhabitants of about. Iturup ended with gasoline from the word completely. Who is helping them? Prapora from a military unit (working in honor of his pocket) but also JAPANESE fishermen. Which deliver fuel to the island. But not the native government "she thinks how to help residents in such a difficult economic period" .. So with this approach, who will the inhabitants of the island vote for? and where will they want to live in the future with this approach? Residents of the Far East turned to the President of Russia with the question of when to decide the transport issue at the end. The train to the city of Blagoveshchensk was canceled which in summer went crowded. Replaced by trailed WAGON !!!! Representatives of China offered their opportunities to solve this problem :) Also, representatives of China proposed and signed an intention to launch a high-speed train. The construction of a high-speed railway linking Chinese Hunchun and Vladivostok is officially included in the five-year development plan for the border province of Jilin. The Chinese side plans to start design work this summer, the UNN correspondent in China reports. At present, the basic parameters of the project have already been determined. It was announced that the total length of the high-speed railway line will be 322 kilometers. Excluding customs and border formalities, a high-speed train will cover this distance in 1.5 hours. This was announced by the head of the Transportation Department of the Jilin Provincial Reform and Development Committee, Guo Chuan. Time to build 5 years. According to Xinhua News Agency, the total investment in the construction and commissioning of the high-speed line by the Chinese side is estimated at about $ 10 billion. As the Far East was cut off from the western part by air, it remained. All talk about discounted tickets FICTION. For tickets at the box office fights and that's true. My sister flew to St. Petersburg via Beijing so cheaper. Not through its territory but through a neighboring and foreign airline. The child was in the CAPITAL of his homeland just 1 time, sorry SAME! But I was in Pikin and almost saw half of China. Rested in the resorts of China. So cheaper. The truth is healthy. 2. The Far East is called the second Siberia and this is true. Our neighbor looks here with a hungry look. But nothing stands still. Baikal this brilliant in Russia began to be actively inhabited by inhabitants of the Middle Kingdom. And Baikal has already begun to be called the “Pearl of China” in the adjacent territory. There is an EXPANSION quiet and peaceful but an EXPANSION aimed at one at the settlement and assimilation of the local population with further exclusion of the territory. And it becomes interesting with this approach, early in the morning, a resident of Moscow turning on their TV will hear that the residents of the Far East and eastern Siberia expressed their desire to secede from the Russian Federation (and we have the Federation for a minute) and join Sakhalin, Kamchatka and China. So what will a resident of Moscow and western Russia do? Pick up a gun and try to smash the "siparatov" Or prepare to live very very poor.