Highway quality rating: where did you put Russia?

Published index of the so-called global competitiveness of the world. One of the distinguished sections is related to the quality of roads in different countries of the world. At the same time, only 137 states out of about two hundred recognized at the United Nations level are included in the rating.

The top three for road quality (according to foreign rating compilers) is as follows: United Arab Emirates, Singapore and Switzerland. The top ten also include Austria, the Netherlands, Japan, France, the USA and some others.

What is the place in this ranking put the Russian Federation?

It turned out that in terms of the level of global competition in the quality of roads, Russia is in the 114 place. Immediately after the Russian Federation in the ranking is the Republic of Kazakhstan. It is noteworthy that in front of Russia (on the 113 location) there is the African state of Benin, where at the entrance to the country's largest city (Cotonou) more than 10 km is the usual primer. Many Cotonou streets remain the same - a city with a population of about 800 thousand people.

Moldova and Ukraine were rated on the 128 and 130 places, respectively. At the end of the list are Haiti, the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Mauritania.

The country of the post-Soviet space with the highest rates considered is Azerbaijan (36 place).

What interesting facts can be taken out of the rating? For example, the fact that, according to its compilers, the quality of roads in India is significantly higher than the quality of roads in Norway, and the roads of Tajikistan are just a sample compared to the roads of the Czech Republic.

Link on the rating.

Comments

[Ovsen]

Oh, these ratings ..........

[Chertt]

Quote: Lamb

Oh these ratings

I looked at the rating on the link. The feeling that they wrote the names of countries on pieces of paper, mixed up and randomly, began to be removed and entered into the table.

[LSA57]

Quote: Chertt

The feeling that they wrote the names of countries on pieces of paper, mixed up and randomly, began to be removed and entered into the table.

or maybe from the satellite images examined the road? and, what, there, that unpaved, that asphalt

[Chertt]

Quote: LSA57

or maybe from the satellite images examined the road?

On ukRuin, one “chicken” proved that there is no Crimean bridge, on the grounds that she does not see it on Google Maps

[LSA57]

Quote: Chertt

On ukRuin, one "chicken" proved that there is no Crimean bridge

odd hard to believe. there are raving en masse, like an epidemic

[hhhhhhh]

Why take pictures if you have Google maps. It says where is the road

[Aleks2048]

I looked at the rating on the link. The feeling that they wrote the names of countries on pieces of paper, mixed up and randomly, began to be removed and entered into the table.

And this is not random.
There is a footnote See “Technical Notes and Sources” of the Global Competitiveness Report 2017-2018. For detailed information on the calculation methodology.
It describes how it turned out that the Russian Federation is in 114th place.
One indicator was the level of penetration of roads, that is, in Russian speaking, the possibility of traveling from anywhere on the state map to any point on the state map, which naturally leads the Russian Federation, with its virtually uninhabited Siberia and the Far East, to be an outsider. It doesn’t matter that from Moscow it is generally possible to get to Vladivostok comfortably, but it matters if you can’t get from Moscow to the village of Khatsipetovka in the Moscow Region because the only bridge does not meet the requirements and no organization is on the balance sheet, which means that it for such a rating does not exist and now a settlement has been cut off from the world ... So the rating depends on the Methodology for calculating it.

[sogdy]

Quote: Alex2048

One of the indicators was the level of penetration of roads, that is, in Russian speaking, the ability to travel from anywhere on the state map to any point on the state map,

Those. should we also hand over the country to them at our expense?

[73bor]

Now nobody will deal with such “trifles”, on the map, looking at the highway of the first category, we will write it down, and the fact that no one cares on this asphalt highway, the main thing is that the suit should sit!

[The black]

For example, the fact that, according to its compilers, the quality of roads in India is significantly higher than the quality of roads in Norway, and the roads of Tajikistan are just a model in comparison with the roads of the Czech Republic.

The rating, of course, is bullshit .... but Russia's place in it is quite believable ... well, maybe a little overpriced

[tap]

We have normal roads. Better than Congo.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: zapfen

We have normal roads. Better than Congo.

Normal from the word NORM. And everyone has her own. Yes, recently we have taken up the roads, even here in Togliatti. But the quality of the asphalt is still designed so that the asphalt "ends" after 5 years. and the road companies again got new laying contracts.
It is not appropriate to compare with Congo, they have no temperature differences, and asphalt has been serving there for decades. But here’s the paradox - when our officials from Avtodor associate our short-lived asphalt service with weather conditions, I want send them to Finland and Norway, where the differences + \ - much more often, and asphalt lasts longer.

[bk316]

and asphalt lasts longer.

The main factor in the aging of roads is not the climate, but the load from passing cars.
In Finland, it is an order of magnitude lower. In general, Finnish roads are no better than ours, since I traveled many thousands along them.

[brigadier]

Quote: bk316

and asphalt lasts longer.

The main factor in the aging of roads is not the climate, but the load from passing cars.
In Finland, it is an order of magnitude lower. In general, Finnish roads are no better than ours, since I traveled many thousands along them.

Well, honestly.
Two years ago, he was driving from Helsinki to Petrozavodsk. Heaven and earth. Do not even compare. And in Karelia itself ... a hole in a hole. I must admit that the roads in Russia for the most part are not good, except for federal highways.

[Hottabych]

Quote: brigadir

Well, honestly

[bk316]

Well, honestly, heaven and earth

We assume that you are an honest person. In this case You are making a classic mistake. You compare one of the main highways of the country leading to the capital (you went to Helsinki via E18 or seven via Imatra) with the regional road Peter-Murmansk, but you have to “Don” on the section to Voronezh. Well, Don’s better than seven definitely, I’ve broken the suspension 2 times in the Lapeyranta area .
And it is worth turning there on a secondary track, to the same Savonlin, and circular, pits and repairs begin, I’m not talking about moose.

[brigadier]

I didn’t go to secondary ones in Finland, but somehow vague doubts about the presence of serious holes there. On the map of Finland’s roads, on each section of the road where the repair was supposed to take place, there is an indication of the upcoming repair with the date of repair.

From Petrozavodsk to Peter - a tolerable road. You can't call her really good either. This is already federal (Peter - Murmansk).
There have always been problems with the roads ... but the enemy will not pass.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: brigadir

I didn’t go to secondary ones in Finland, but somehow vague doubts about the presence of serious holes there. On the map of Finland’s roads, on each section of the road where the repair was supposed to take place, there is an indication of the upcoming repair with the date of repair.

From Petrozavodsk to Peter - a tolerable road. You can't call her really good either. This is already federal (Peter - Murmansk).
There have always been problems with the roads ... but the enemy will not pass.

Russian "trouble number two" got to Finland

https://auto.mail.ru/article/69010-rossiiskaya_be
da_nomer_dva_dobralas_do_finlyandii /

[Sergey ippon]

Take a ride in any direction around Shui
Shuya-Kovrov, Shuya-Rodniki, Shuya-Furmanov.
There are no roads - in general (they are typically asphalt - but sometimes it’s better on the sidelines).

[RomanS]

Yes, you old man is a liar. In 2014, they completed the road from St. Petersburg to Petrozavodsk. Unless your trip was to remote Karelian villages.

[brigadier]

Yes, my friend, you are disgustingly raised. You fit into a duel for such calls to strangers cause.
And the track in Karelia is worse than in the Leningrad region. I compare it with good dodrags in Europe and in Israel, for example, where routes of such significance always have at least 2 lanes in each direction and concrete separation between the directions.
And if there are no large pits, then the road is already cool, then the criteria for “suitability” of the road are simply different.
As for the Karelian lanes ... we went fishing from Petrozavodsk to Syam Ozera. This is real tin. We have the so-called off-road, where people ride jeeps, and in Russia people live in such places.

[Hottabych]

Quote: brigadir

I compare it with good dodrags in Europe and in Israel, for example, where routes of such significance always have at least 2 lanes in each direction and concrete separation between the directions.

The distance between the cities quite close to each other (by the standards of Russia) Stavropol and Moscow is more than the entire length of your state!
Where to get so much concrete, dear, to separate the strip ??? Wrong to compare it ...
But I’ll say that although it’s not interesting to you, over the past five years it has become much better with roads and infrastructure. Although, I do not know how it is now in other parts of the country. I remember about 10 years ago I went to Saratov ..... I almost did not give an oak.

[brigadier]

Yes, no one argues - the country is huge, there are many roads - but there are also many resources, people. And everyone wants to drive on good roads. Not all the same in Moscow and around to swell.
Although perhaps besides western Europe and North America, well, perhaps even Asian tigers - the roads are not in very good condition all over the world.
Here in Argentina: the same - the country is huge and almost half of the population lives in Boenos Aires. Here are the roads - a primer, except for especially important routes. You look at the map -
It seems like the road is of the first category, and Google Map shows 76 kilometers to go 2 hours.

[Hottabych]

Quote: brigadir

Yes, no one argues - the country is huge, there are many roads - but there are also many resources, people. And everyone wants to drive on good roads. Not all the same in Moscow and around to swell.

Well, you yourself answer your own question. Where there are more numbers, there are better roads. I said that I don’t complain about the roads in my region ...

[Sergey ippon]

eh. I agree on already without holes and bumps!))

[Hottabych]

Quote: bk316

The main factor in the aging of roads is not the climate, but the load from passing cars.

And the climate and the load and the quality of asphalt and much more ... And also, it would be good to compare the quality of roads with population density. It is wrong to compare roads to the settlements of Singapore or Switzerland with ours, in the hinterland of the country.
I live in the south, in the Stavropol Territory, and I can say that since the year somewhere around the 11th, 12th there are practically no problems with roads, even roads are being made to the backwoods, where they had never been before. Bypass roads, bridges, bridges across the railway crossings are made in cities where people have been wanting this since Soviet times. I have to ride a lot. And the Krasnodar Territory is even better in this regard.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Hottabych

And the climate and the load and the quality of asphalt and much more ... And also, it would be good to compare the quality of roads with population density. It is wrong to compare roads to the settlements of Singapore or Switzerland with ours, in the hinterland of the country.

I think we need to start by comparing ... the area of ​​countries !!

[Serg koma]

Better to China. There are no seasonal and other load restrictions, the pace of construction is probably in first place in the world, quality is top class. So our road-building official couldn’t make such a quality and the corresponding volume - it was sent to China, and then to the wall, with a view of how the road should look without theft and according to GOST ..... Then there will be few officials, but there will be many good roads )))

[Rostislav]

What is Finland ?!
It is necessary to send officials for advanced training to Magadan or Kolyma, it will be much more effective.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: zapfen

We have normal roads.

and you traveled along the Ryazan local roads ??? ... it feels like the Germans reached 41 in Ryazan and still bomb there ..... Kasimov, Shatsk, Sapozhok, immediately after the border of the Vladimir region - nuclear bombing !!! .... around these district centers travel is only on the side of the road and at a speed of 3 km / h

[Leshy1975]

I support, we also have the same local roads. From the district Olkhovatka (Voronezh region) to the mother-in-law in the Rivne district (Belgorod region) (to the border with the Belgorod region) in many places also "travel only along the side of the road and at a speed of 3 km / h." Wife said, I won’t go anymore, the distance for the car is trifling, and you drive an hour.

[bk316]

and you traveled along the Ryazan local roads ??? ..

I went there.
Have you traveled locally in France or Bulgaria?
This problem is the same everywhere, local roads are financed by local authorities, and there is always not enough money. Therefore, the government is going to take away many roads to the federal fund.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: bk316

Did you go to local in France

something around 2km drove through France, so what? the roads from Paris to Lyon and then to Annecy and the Alps - say good- not to say anything, I drove back on toll roads ideal !!! and where exactly did you drive along the Ryazan roads?

[bk316]

something around 2km drove through France, so what?

Nothing a year I travel so much in France.
There is no direct road from Paris to Lyon at all, suppose you were traveling through Dijon, which means E-21. Again, compare with the "Don", then write impressions.

About the Alps. Try to drive from Megeve to Chamonix (is it true a natural desire for a skier?) Without returning to the pay-per-seat (i.e. with a hook of 30 kilometers). We must go through leCre, for the Ryazan region it corresponds to the Spas-Klepiki-Grishino road, but it is much safer here.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Black

maybe a little overpriced

A little bit?

[The black]

Quote: Puncher

A little bit?

Well, maybe not a little

[LSA57]

Quote: Black

Well, maybe not a bit

a little bit

[LSA57]

Quote: Lamb

Oh, these ratings .........

It’s not important how they vote, it’s important how they think.

[siberalt]

The quality of roads should not be considered throughout Moscow and Sochi, but throughout Russia, given its length. And if you approach this way, then Russia will never come out of the first hundred. And perhaps that is not necessary at all. At least some wildlife for fishing and tourism will remain.

[bk316]

The quality of roads should not be considered throughout Moscow and Sochi, but throughout Russia, given its length

To compare it is necessary to consider not so. And even so, you need to take the mileage of Don-type roads and add, with a correction factor, the mileage of Tambov-Volgograd-type roads with another coefficient like Rzhev-Ostashkov, and something else like Ustkut-Yakutsk.
Then divide it by the size of the population (well, or by GDP).

[Masya masya]

So it’s before the road quality rating in our city they took up the roads, and at an accelerated pace ... apparently it didn’t help to rise above 114th place ...

[Ovsen]

Quote: Masya Masya

in our city we took up the roads

In June? Over the road? Did you take it? But this is nonsense. !!!!!!
But what about the heroic overcoming of difficulties in the form of snow, ice, rain and freezing temperatures.? It's not even interesting. Directly some non-Russian leaders.

[Masya masya]

Quote: Lamb

Directly some non-Russian leaders you have.

just young yet, forty years old, inexperienced ...

[Ovsen]

Quote: Masya Masya

still young,

Nothing, nothing. This is fixable. Not yet evening. Now senior comrades will prompt, teach ......
No, well, why, not the Gods burned the pots ......

.

[LSA57]

Quote: Lamb

But what about the heroic overcoming of difficulties in the form of snow, ice, rain and freezing temperatures.?

About 7 years ago I worked in a recreation center. so there in winter began to block the roof. half opened, and then snowfall. the snow did not lie in the attic. the bottom is warm. the snow began to melt and flowed ... how many shorts there was water in the chandeliers in the ceiling lights. how many dressers with suits flooded ...

[Ovsen]

Well, roof repair in the fall is generally the norm. Especially in the housing.

[LSA57]

there then another to repair the building inside, a lot of money was spent

[Ovsen]

And you can imagine how much money was spent on damages if you flushed 2 entrances of a five-story residential building. From the 5th to the first. Oooo ........

[LSA57]

so do not for their repairs

[Ovsen]

Well, it was somewhere in the very beginning of the 2000s. Then the mayor's office allocated money for repairs.

[LSA57]

Well, in this case, the administration allocated money.

[gaura]

When allocated, then they rushed to master, otherwise they will then take it away. And no repair. So they rush to fulfill budget money, because they can take it away and next time not give it if you don’t know how to spend

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Lamb

Quote: Masya Masya

in our city we took up the roads

In June? Over the road? Did you take it? But this is nonsense. !!!!!!

Apparently, a person lives in the city where the World Cup is being held. In Nizhny Novgorod, we also took up roads in April and are repairing them right now. Finish, probably, only on the day of the first match. :)

[Ovsen]

It has led you in large measure ...., unlike us ....... We will wait, though I don’t know what ....

[Nikolai Grek]

we started at the beginning of spring, how the weather settled ... at the same time, the World Cup is not planned for us !!! so that......!!!

[bald]

I’m asking somehow the Armenians (our permanent builders of roads, even from the union) why you make such worthless asphalt, and, accordingly, roads. They answer, but good hell is good for a year, two and that's enough, otherwise we will remain without work. What hack work is terrible in this thread.

[garnik]

Damn, I did not know that the reason for impassability in Russia is Armenians.
Money is allocated from the top and control the work of them. It means that everyone is satisfied with the quality of the roads if they are accepted.

[bald]

Baref Garik Jan. I have been working with them on this topic for about nine years (everything related to electrics and electronics, repair, etc.). I often visit their asphalt plants; I have to go to the place of asphalt laying because of the ugly quality. I just gave one of many reasons. The other day, I’m telling one of yours (let’s say so to the boss). You are aware that if there is shitty asphalt and, accordingly, the road (including the preparation of the road before covering the asphalt), then you definitely have to redo it, we have already begun to practice it - redo it at your own expense. The answer, as usual - we all know - everything will be nice (normal). And I’m watching about the addition of mineral powder to the asphalt, they don’t even stutter (dear - this is where the price of asphalt rises, hence the price of the road in the tender). And if we take it above, then the tender - not quite (excl. Is) corresponds to its definition as a word. In many cases, this is a screen for the law (communications, bribes, bribery - as they were, they are). The Armenians are not the reason for impassability - the reason is a mess on the steps from top to bottom.

[garnik]

Barevogin Astvats shares. (God saves the welcoming one).

Armenians are not a reason for impassability - the reason is a mess on the stairs from top to bottom

And this happens everywhere, as a former construction supervision engineer, he watched this mess, including among the military.

[bald]

Unfortunately this is the case. Ajoh.

[igor67]

Quote: bald

our permanent road builders, since the union

in the early 80s, Armenians laid asphalt with us, they still had their own equipment before Gorbachev. They laid it awfully, poured tar, and crushed stone from the top, the tar was wrapped around the tires on the first hot day

[bald]

It used to be like that. Now this happens, from an overdose of bitumen, but rarely, since it is very expensive. They even try to add less (underestimating the recipe), but then the asphalt will quickly crumble both from operation and from rain. There are so many bells and whistles in the production and laying that are not observed at all - only one delivery to the place with a dump truck, which is worth it, and this is drop dead affects the quality of the road.

[Nix1986]

What roads G we ourselves know, but the rating is strange ...

[aszzz888]

... it is not entirely correct to compare roads with different climatic conditions ... and they, as we know, have a lot of influence - in particular, winter conditions ...

[Hole puncher]

Quote: aszzz888

it’s not entirely correct to compare roads with different climatic conditions ...

blah blah blah ... the old song of all those living due to supposedly road repair ... maybe first you stop throwing asphalt into the puddle?

[aszzz888]

Puncher (Eugene) Today, 07: 18 blah blah blah ... old song of all persons living due to supposedly road repair... maybe first you stop throwing asphalt into a puddle?

... is this generally a call to someone?! ... I posted about the rating being correct ...

Road Quality Rating

... and in no way do I have anything to do with "throwing asphalt not only into a puddle", but also with other, normal technologies ... look for specialists on another site - and they will ALL questions and suggestions, unless of course they want to consider your not quite tactful turns of speech ... more modest with strangers, more modest

[lis-ik]

Quote: Puncher

Quote: aszzz888

it’s not entirely correct to compare roads with different climatic conditions ...

blah blah blah ... the old song of all those living due to supposedly road repair ... maybe first you stop throwing asphalt into the puddle?

Thrown into a puddle during patching, it is generally not considered full-fledged.

[lis-ik]

Quote: aszzz888

... it is not entirely correct to compare roads with different climatic conditions ... and they, as we know, have a lot of influence - in particular, winter conditions ...

This is the main trouble for the Russian Federation. It is difficult to imagine the amount of temperature difference for the autumn-winter period, you yourself understand the laws of physics, no one has canceled, a small crack turns into a full-fledged hole, and also the quality of the material for elasticity leaves much to be desired. In general, due to the climate, we have to seriously overpay in any construction.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: aszzz888

... it is not entirely correct to compare roads with different climatic conditions ... and they, as we know, have a lot of influence - in particular, winter conditions ...

nuuu ... I think it’s worth adding to your conditions ... the length of the roads !!!

[ANCIENT]

We have mainly directions of movement, and the Lord has not punished Russia for the roads! Like the companies that supposedly repair our roads! How many acquaintances I had beaten — crippled my cars on our supposedly highways, how many people had legs on them — my hands broke, especially when the temperatures are outside! !! We have no roads, there is their visibility. ...

[AlexVas44]

What interesting facts can be learned from the rating?

Interesting facts are that our enemy will not go far.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: AlexVas44

our enemy will not go far

So what for you drowned a boat ... snakes ...

But seriously - any technology is drowning. Another thing is that it’s an order of magnitude more difficult to take out such a horse under 80 tons than our thread (~ 40 tons).
And - yes - our bridges, let’s say, are not everywhere ground under NATO technology.
Defect

[Alex-a832]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Defect

You wanted to say that there is a cunning intent on the part of Russia, and a flaw on the part of NATO? ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Another thing is that such a horse under 80 tons

It seems that Abram has more than 65t. the weight did not rise, no?
Like Trofim’s place, “Asphalt is laid down here, in places and a bit, so that every occupier gets stuck on the approaches”!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ingvar 72

It seems that Abram has more than 65t. the weight did not rise, no?

- there are Leopards
- the dirt that he has fastened on himself, you think, is weightless?
Osia, leave me alone, I need to work. And this is all banter in its purest form.
And you can pull everything out. More blocks and cables ... Well, and free space is desirable

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Golovan Jack

More blocks and cables ... Well, and free space is desirable

I once pulled out. How can I plow past the ear the link from the chain has whistled, and I fell on the karachki .. I left half the shift ...

[Rurikovich]

Strange .... And we don’t exist at all

[bouncyhunter]

Andrei We exist, but we don’t have any roads - only directions, therefore we didn’t get into the rating.

[Alex-a832]

Rating full bullshit. Compare in disparate conditions: where are the climatic zones? Where is the comparable length? Probably in the UAE, like on our roads in the fall, winter and spring, the snow melts and immediately freezes, sometimes at least 2 times a day. The fact that trash during construction is not measured, this is nowhere to be found, but over the past 10 years, the quality of roads has greatly improved. I have to ride a wheel every year from the center to Siberia and back on a passenger, different tracks, so I know from personal experience.

[brigadier]

In the UAE, it is so hot that the asphalt there, so as not to melt, must be very high-quality and technological. In the Union, I remember that at temperatures above 28 degrees, the asphalt was already beginning to melt and all the cars had sides and wheels stained with bitumen.
Russia must be compared with Canada, Alaska ... Scandinavia.

[Fitter65]

What interesting facts can be learned from the rating?

Yes, they are very simple, they didn’t go along the Khabarovsk-Komsomolsk-on-Amur highway, and I don’t say anything about the Amursk-Elban highway. We have logging roads that are an order of magnitude better than the roads mentioned above, on which asphalt has to be circumvented on the side of the road.

[Hole puncher]

Looking through topics in Syria, he was just awesome about the good roads there despite the many years of war. I was especially shocked by the shots from Raqqa, where they laid new asphalt just before the storming of the city by the Kurds.

[Moskovit]

When the Romans crushed the rebellion of Spartacus, they hung captive slaves along the road to Rome. Maybe if unfair contractors were hanging along low-quality roads, something would have changed ... At least a place in the rating))

[Vard]

Where I drive in my car ... the roads are normal ... comparable to those in the Czech Republic .. I’ve been there for about three weeks ... If you look, you can always find a lane broken into the trash ...

[Moskovit]

Quote: Vard

normal roads ... comparable to those in the Czech Republic.

Either you were in the wrong Czech Republic, or I live in the wrong Russia)).
Also traveled to the Czech Republic, in all sorts of outbacks. Roads are normal even in villages. But in our millionaires there are holes and holes that the Czechs have never dreamed of.

[Altona]

Quote: bald

I’m asking somehow the Armenians (our permanent builders of roads, even from the union) why you make such worthless asphalt, and, accordingly, roads. They answer, but good hell is good for a year, two and that's enough, otherwise we will remain without work. What hack work is terrible in this thread.

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The quality of roads depends primarily on the quality of sand, gravel and bitumen, as well as on the throughput of the drainage system so that the water does not linger in the pillow and does not deform it under the influence of temperatures.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Altona

The quality of roads depends primarily on ...

... of how many times the temperature of the web passes through the freezing point of water.
1. There are always microcracks (they cannot but eat).
2. Water on the canvas (at a temperature close to 0 degrees Celsius) is also always there.
3. Water when freezing expands (also always), exacerbating these very microcracks.
Further, I think it’s clear.

[Sergey ippon]

Nevertheless, quality and technology are more influential. (+ Human factor )
It is like steel and iron.

[Lekxnumx]

Well, there it is about the quality of the road, not the length or asphalt. The Az-road doesn’t really lay the road on German technology and they are prettier. The reason is simple, road construction is a very good point for kickbacks, corruption, etc. A company is being created to buy German equipment , the most expensive asphalt at inflated prices, they shine with their work in the media, receive government support. For example, my uncle worked there as a driver, salaries were high at that time. But in the state channel they say that they work in 3 shifts, and in fact two shifts of 12 hours .Millions of dollars are already in our pocket every month. Then the logic is simple, we make the road, a show is created in the media, they receive all state-level orders, obviously at very high prices. They give the road, even if not like in Germany, but of excellent quality. But they spend on it three times more estimated than the Germans. Accord took a 1,3 billion loan from the state and did not repay. This is not counting that they bought everything at inflated prices, none of the ru the leaders of the investigation didn’t finish it. Guess why. If in Russia they steal in black, they didn’t learn how to steal in another way. They’ll do it well, but it’s expensive in three, and there’s all that money people are connected with the authorities, ministers. Without their permission, such not impudent but productive theft of state money is not possible.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Lek3338

If in Russia they steal in black, they didn’t learn how to steal in another way. They will do it well, but in three it’s expensive, and that there is money and all these people are connected with the authorities, ministers. Without their permission, such not impudent but productive theft of state money doesn’t perhaps .

Not quite so. I was familiar with the situation in the Russian Federation, there were a lot of acquaintances of the Akhalkalakh Armenians, namely these people are strongly connected in the road sector of the Russian Federation.
The difference is what. The price by the way is similar per km. It’s just that they build really high quality in Azerbaijan in many ways (although there are schools, like with a recent highway like in the south of the country), then in Russia they are specially built poorly.
The principle of laundering is what. It is stolen in Russia more in white, and in Azerbaijan in black.
In the Russian Federation, they are doing it on purpose so that the road wears out quickly and the same company is building a new one again. They started to squeeze them because of the crisis.
And in Azerbaijan they are building a high-quality road, and six months later, the same road, which is ideally demolished and a new one, is laid))) Sometimes they try to trick, they say they forgot to build something or something else.
And it’s so expensive in Azerbaijan, well in Baku, and what I saw in the city of Nakhchivan is MUCH better than in St. Petersburg or in Moscow. In other parts it’s scary to say that it’s hard to call it expensive in one case, in other it complete absence.

[Lekxnumx]

I’ll probably agree about the cost of long-term pornography with the Beshmertebe circle. Yes, the roads are better, but too often they seem to have a good road, a vicious circle. For example, from the largest projects of Zygskoye Shosse, Aliyev often comes to commission ships, etc.
The road was normal before this came to the opening of the Port, then the academy and did it again each time. On the last visit we decided to expand and make it multi-lane. We built the road, transferred the infrastructure, electric poles, huge pipes. But suddenly stopped, it turned out that they stole hard and the workers didn’t paid. Now it’s a little, but they can’t finish it. And in Soviet times, when the buildings were built, the places where it was littered with the construction site, they instructed the citizens to make gardens, vegetable gardens, they didn’t give out documents. Well, each of them had a couple of hundred square meters, there were garden gardens. With one visit, everything was first fenced and then completely demolished, of course with trees. In our garden there were trees raisins, peaches, pomegranates, figs, an apple, an ide narrow-minded, our children's stadium. Every spring I gathered friends and helped my grandmother to clear the weed. And now there garbage bags that fly from the wind, waste materials from repairs, and so on and so forth, and earlier citizens themselves collected everything. You see, not este There are no typical fences in gardens. And how hard it is to grow a tree on salty soil, they don’t understand thousands of trees themselves and every year they almost rot, no one hectares to water. If you come to eat again, it’s interesting how you get out this time, again a temporary fence, probably. Yeshi Bunlar Duzelin Dayil anger at this idiocy is not enough.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Lek3338

.Yeshe bunlar duzelin deil anger at this idiocy is not enough.

therefore, everything will be severely broken, and not quietly peaceful. And the responsibility will be on them, and not on those who went out to break, because the latter did not leave other methods of change.
One comrade explained to me that the State still has a voice over why he is shutting it down. We need to provide people with work, and Azerbaijan will be small and with the right approach will quickly build the required number of roads and the workers will remain without work. For what I told him, ok there is logic . But what prevents the state from transferring this money to construction, somewhere social at low interest rates, somewhere for free, so that young people are provided with families and work will not be an edge. Do we have all the military provided with housing? No. Are all refugees provided with housing? No. Young people? No. Here is the area where the state can pour in this money and the benefits of return, both for their government and for the people, there will be more than 4 times a year building the same road and demolish. Use these petrodollars wisely.

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Yeraz

therefore, everything will be severely broken, and not quietly peaceful. And the responsibility will be on them, and not on those who went out to break, because the latter did not leave other methods of change.

This will not be our people, whom I see every day swallowed the insolent lodge “there will be no devaluation.” They will also swallow a lot, unfortunately we have a very illiterate people. Not in terms of education but in terms of critical thinking. Recently, I’m traveling by bus on the highway , they built a house around there, no layout, a mess, a maze is simple. One old man reads the Musavat newspaper and turns his head to the sides, he does not like the content.
I started talking with me why they say rural people go to the city, why they don’t work, and so on and so forth. I agreed with him, then I made analogies with the USSR that at that time they didn’t build houses on the side of the mountain, maybe a landslide would happen, I agreed again. As it turned out a man from Baku, he doesn’t like the arrival of a rural court, he gives them subsidies to the state. I tell him my grandfather understands that they give subsidies, local officials give only half as a social yard, 3 months to me and I ask you 9 with subsidies, don’t you understand? and with farmers, although they cut back on subsidies, the farmer planted a harvest, but he can’t sell the goods, because the state buys grain and everything else from the neighbors. There is a lobby banana minister, minister of cucumbers, etc. He does not listen to me again about The USSR says that it turned out to be a person, either a professor or an academician of journalism, then he started talking about Aigun Kazimova and about all kinds of jaundice that this was not the case in the USSR. I tell him my grandfather, you were such a not so small person and now you are b. Do you think we have journalism? Of course there are answers. Sorry my grandfather, but there is no journalism as it was not in Soviet times, you will be told something and write. Reveal the bribe takers so that they do not interfere with farmers, condemn the state’s punctures and instead tell me about Aigun’s skirt, about show business. That's why we don’t have any journalism, you’re all engaged to these very people who brought the country to this situation. For 20 years, we’ve exported not the oil sector 500-600 million dollars, but if we produce something to the domestic market then the monopoly is getting more expensive. And kishi ai Ali in the restaurant club owned by Pashayev pay the waiter 350 manat salary, do you think they care about the people? 350 Ali 350 mother of his manat, comrade worked there. I’ll hate millet yohdu for so long, I hate that the post-Soviet peoples. They steal the authorities impudently, but vote anyway. In this regard, the Russians and I are identical in narrow-mindedness, do not see the obvious. Not only in Russia are problems of roads and fools, a fool we have more people. Everyone knows, everyone is whispering on these topics and everyone is afraid. On forums where you want to talk about banyat, it’s all over the edge. Sometimes you get angry before you burn your vigorous mother’s passport, move and forget about the post Soviet space as a terrible dream. You will not find such naive people who are not organized, do not know their rights, and who are naive even in Africa.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Lek3338

.On the forums where I want to talk about this banyat, all this is the land

Well depends on which forums.

Quote: Lek3338

.Sometimes, I want to get angry to burn my passport to my vigorous mother, to move and forget about the post-Soviet space as a nightmare.

Well, if it is only angry, then stay at least with your family and friends to enlighten them, and they are different. Only this.
And if anger is at the level of something or someone’s credit, then quickly leave the country, as I did. My cup was quickly filled.

Quote: Lek3338

You will not find such naive people who are not organized, who do not know their rights, even in Africa.

Here you have already included the classic Azerbaijani, when EVERYTHING is fine. No, just look at Africa and us to understand that people are more progressive and more aware of their rights.
As long as Aliyev’s power suits all external players and the Soviet generation is alive, these are fundamental obstacles to sweeping, plus an indirect one, like the Karabakh conflict, the probability of a change is minimal

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Yeraz

Here you have already included the classic Azerbaijani, when EVERYTHING is fine. No, just look at Africa and us to understand that people are more progressive and more aware of their rights.

I meant that, sometimes it seems that there are more progressive. In Russia, I probably couldn’t live, I don’t have the patience to break the stereotypes in front of every ala “white people” who think that we live in the Caucasus and mountains in the mountains, well, not there is enough patience with these idiots. There, people by the level of redneckness will surpass ours twice, ours can be easily calm down, even more aggressive and reaching a drunk Russian is like talking to a wall (they get drunk quickly). Comparing three countries Russia, Turkey and Az-an, in spite of all the problems, I prefer Az-an. The people here have less head infection with stereotypes, and Turks have a separate topic with their own cliches. I can’t stand arrogant people, ala Aryans or ala boyuk Turk Milleti. It's easier with ours ordinary people, but the situation in the country is annoying of course. The paradox is the simplicity of the people in everyday life like, and the simplicity and blindness in political life annoying.

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Yeraz

As long as Aliyev’s power suits all external players and the Soviet generation is alive, these are fundamental obstacles to sweeping, plus an indirect one, like the Karabakh conflict, the probability of a change is minimal

Often in Russia I observed a dispute between Russian and Russian, they have a dispute for the sake of disassembly. They stand two drunk people apologized, the second one seems to have accepted and also apologized, but they continue to sort it out picking on trifles. We apologized and broke up, because everyone understands it can reach not only to a scuffle, and to death. And they drank, fought, tomorrow they soberly apologized to each other and again on the knurled. There is no sense of norm, if you drink like this before losing consciousness and if you don’t drink, then don’t drink at all.

[Lekxnumx]

Never watched this oppositionist when we have this?

[Yeraz]

Quote: Lek3338

Never watched this oppositionist when we have this?

Well, I can recall the maximum of Ilgar Mammadov, but they also put him in jail on Isamil events.

[Altona]

Quote: Vard

Where I drive in my car ... the roads are normal ... comparable to those in the Czech Republic .. I’ve been there for about three weeks ... If you look, you can always find a lane broken into the trash ...

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We have a road network somewhere generally excellent, especially federals, and somewhere in the trash killed. The only sad thing is that inside cities there are not always good roads, because cities do not have their own money, and tranches for the development of roads are not given to everyone. In general, the roads under the Soviet regime were designed for the main ZIL-130 car, with a gross weight of 8-10 tons. And now how much? Now there are 40-50 tons of wagons and trailers with full weight, well, and above, it is singularly true. The load from the railway transport has shifted to the highway. So the development of the road network can be said to be happening now. Former two-stripes are made in three and 4-way. They put lighting, fencing. Here we are on the highway (A-151, M7) as you are riding on the couch, you don’t feel at all, you call in to the Mari people, they are already tossing us there. And in the opposite direction to Ulyanovsk is generally gorgeous. And inside the city there are places where the war has not yet ended, funnels and potholes.

[Ruzhik420]

They have written in applications that is based on opinion polls.

[mik0588]

A win-win topic for raising the rating, wrote the "road" and rushed)))))))

[yustas]

Quote: Lamb

In June? Over the road? Did you take it? But this is nonsense. !!!!!!

Moreover, we came from the beginning of May, I don’t remember this since the times of the USSR

[Million]

Except for major cities, it is!

[bk316]

Honestly, I didn’t call in for the Ob, but I came across a lot in the European part and in Europe.
If we take the highways and highways of the second class, then somewhere at the level of France.
All sorts of Bulgaria, Finland are clearly worse.
The Germans are certainly better.
There is no sense in comparing country lanes - the scales are different, but they are not ice anywhere ..
The main factor in the aging of highways is not the climate, but the load.
The quality of roads is changing for the better, in the south and west of Moscow, for me it is even better and not necessary.
This week I’m going north, almost to Murmansk — we'll see.

[Altona]

Quote: bk316

If we take the highways and highways of the second class, then somewhere at the level of France.

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And under the Soviet regime, many roads were simply “with improved coverage,” that is, slightly sprinkled with crushed stone and poured with bitumen. And today I’m driving a bike on a suburban road, a couple of times I’ll turn the pedals and drive km figuratively, it has become so good, I don’t even need super-superb, the Soviet one is ideal without speeds. And inside the city, mom is dear.
The Germans also have different ways. In general, their scheduled road repairs are well established simply.

[bk316]

And under the Soviet regime, many roads were simply “with improved coverage,” that is, slightly sprinkled with crushed stone and poured with bitumen.

Well, yes it was. In my opinion, now the problems are only in local roads. They are not financed from the center, local finance on a residual basis. I can even show the model why. The government decided to transfer several tens of thousands of kilometers of such roads to the federal fund. So soon and there you will ride a bike

[Guru]

Pure water ordering this rating.

[Grandfather Makar]

In Russia, the construction of good roads is an undermining of national security ...! How not funny it is, but a fact!
How many conquerors cursed our roads (or rather, the direction of movement to the whole world) Then draping knee-deep in the mud and drowning in snow drifts .. And in the west they talk about our all-terrain vehicles, etc. What the Russians won’t come up with, just not to build good ones expensive! he he
So everything is fine men!

[Sgt.]

It turns out that the enemy will reach the capital the fastest)

[Grandfather Makar]

Quote: Sergeant

It turns out that the enemy will reach the capital the fastest)

Yes, it was already in our history more than once! And further, gentlemen got stuck and rolled back ..

[Altona]

Quote: Ded-Makar

In Russia, the construction of good roads is an undermining of national security ...! How not funny it is, but a fact!

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It seems that you are sitting on the mound with your berdanka and waiting for war. Spit, and you’ll cry out.

[brigadier]

About a piece of the Katz road.

https://tjournal.ru/33681-zhurnalisty-nashli-pod-tver
yu-vechnuyu-dorogu-kotoraya-stoit-bez-remonta-kak
-novaya-uzhe-bolee-10-years

After all, you can. In the name of the protocol, spaces can only be removed.

[Alexey-74]

Inadequate bullshit this analysis ...........

[KVU-NSVD]

All these ratings are subjective and have many features in the rating system. and in its objectivity is akin to statistics, it can also be presented in two conflicting versions, depending on the methodology and the customer.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Well, maybe not quite objectively, but something like that ...
In Ryazan, I go around the yards so huge that I catch the rapids, and on the main streets the pit in the pit, often in the spring and autumn the asphalt blurs (because there is almost no rainfall in the city), the pits grow like mushrooms after rain, people pierce the tires when hit suspension elements are bent in them, this spring he himself struck two tires on one side of the hatch and pit around, just hit a ledge, two tires in tatters, then a tow truck, buying new tires, lost both time and money ...
And in African countries, roads are better, simply because there is not so much rainfall, our roads are washed away by water in autumn and spring, and not frost ... There will be no rainfall - there will be no roads, at least change the asphalt every year ....

[Hiw]

but I have a question - they introduced the tax "Plato" and how they all said that the roads will be repaired with this money, but the tax goes to the private structure of Rotenberg ....... that is, the state tax to private hands ??? ....... and in fact, after several years of this tax, I won’t speak for the whole country, I’ll tell you about the place where I live - Krasnoyarsk Territory, Kuraginsky District, Village, 50% of the transport passing through our roads is heavy trucks falling under the "Plato" - logging, a lot of timber trucks, the tax just flows like a river, .................. and what about the roads, but nothing, they just got worse, they were dirt , but at least graded and added gravel periodically, but now they don’t add gravel, they only graded it and even less often than three years ago. HEY !!! ROTENBERG - GIVE OUR MONEY OR REASON THE ROAD !!!!!!!!!

[Altona]

Quote: Golovan Jack

1. There are always microcracks (they cannot but eat).
2. Water on the canvas (at a temperature close to 0 degrees Celsius) is also always there.
3. Water during freezing expands (also always), exacerbating these very microcracks.
Further, I think it’s clear.

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Here, you don’t need to breed entry-level physics, because the road should not be built with a perfectly flat canvas, but with a slight slope on both sides of the center, like a ridge roof of a house so that water flows to the banquet part of the road. I know what I’m writing about, road construction took place at the military department. Further, I think it’s clear ... So there is water on the canvas where the canvas is made with the wrong geometry.

The Internet is to help you, as they say, here is the transverse profile of the road. There should be a slight slope from the inverter point.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Altona

Internet to help you, as they say

Eugene, here you are really a pro - so why do I need the Internet?
But you have not yet learned to read carefully:

Quote: Golovan Jack

1. There are always microcracks (they can’t not eat).
2. Water on the canvas (at a temperature close to 0 degrees Celsius) also always exists.
3. Water during freezing expands (also always), exacerbating these very microcracks

There is no need for puddles, there is enough condensate
And then - the process works exactly as I described above. And a microcrack turns into a macro, and then just into ... a hole.
And all

[OrcSWAT]

In Kazakhstan, roads are much better than roads in the Russian Federation, and this is a fact.

[Altona]

Quote: OrcSWAT

In Kazakhstan, roads are much better than roads in the Russian Federation, and this is a fact.

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In Kazakhstan, many roads were built by the Chinese, they have more money.

[fa2998]

Quote: Chertt

Quote: Lamb

Oh these ratings

I looked at the rating on the link. The feeling that they wrote the names of countries on pieces of paper, mixed up and randomly, began to be removed and entered into the table.

Are you protecting our roads? What they built, they got it! It’s just a violation of technology, asphalt comes off every year with snow. Yes, and the prices are many times higher than abroad. Plato goes on the road, a transport tax, they collect money from gasoline, but there are no roads. Soon Africa will overtake, where the Chinese are building roads around the circle.

[Alexis crow]

Bullshit ... Personally, the roads in the USA are no better than in Russia ...

[Georges Pompidou]

Politicized rating along the way.

[LeonidL]

Thanks to the compilers of the "rating" - a lot of funny things!

[Sergey ippon]

As for me, our roads in Russia are not very good, and the climate and trucks do not so much influence.
Here in Kovrov, asphalt is laid almost every year and it comes off with the first snow.
Climate?
Heavyweights? (There heavyweights don't go waabche)
No, such disgusting quality — and I think they’re conducting the docks as the best, they just spend maximally 100% of 30% of the mastered dough (the rest is poked in the pockets due to low-quality and cheap components).
A friend had a truck, and not one, told a curious incident.
it was necessary to demolish a 2-storey building and dispose of correctly-made an estimate of 2 lyam, all according to the rules.
The tender was won by the organization (in which only 1 founder and even no workers) received babosy.
They hired Gaster and 4 private owners KAMAZ, broke and transported around the district for 150 thousand rubles.
So much for tenders and people's money, and so I think everywhere, and there are no right roads.
And then the climate.

[Say]

In the ratings, the most important thing is not what they show, but who for what for whom and why.

[misti1973]

Clearly traced "the hand of the State Department." And maybe not a hand.