The jerk of Russian scientists: Super-high-melting material for the military-technical and space industries

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Far Eastern scientists engaged in the study of refractory materials, have made a big step forward in this direction. Employees of the Far Eastern Federal University, together with the Far Eastern Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, created material with a record melting point today.





For obvious reasons, all the chemical components of this material are still kept secret. However, certain details of the development of scientists reported to the media. In particular, the newest synthesized material has a melting point of about 200 K above. In this case, scientists, as reported RIA News, note the following: this is the predicted melting point. The fact is that at the moment it is impossible to accurately measure the temperature parameters of the material with a value above 4200 K.

Before the discovery of Russian scientists, tantalum-hafnium carbide was considered the champion of refractoriness. Its melting point is at 4200 K.

The statement says that a clean sample of the new material was obtained under extreme conditions of synthesis.

The newest compound in the long term has a wide range of applications: thermonuclear energy, space production, the military-technical sphere, including missile and aviation engine building. The possibility of using this material in the construction of advanced weapons corps and research spacecraft is important.
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    1. +2
      4 June 2018 06: 02
      The dead-end path ... Rather, the creation of force fields excluding the contact of a high-temperature environment with the walls ...
      1. +73
        4 June 2018 06: 07
        Quote: Vard
        Dead end ...

        That's so easy ... in one phrase, they took and "washed" the entire FEFU. wassat
        1. +25
          4 June 2018 06: 10
          I do not agree ... and the hulls of spaceships plowing the expanses of the universe will also be made of force fields ... ha ... I imagine I went there to the toilet and the walls of the toilet are made of force fields what transparent ... aliens will misunderstand.
          1. +11
            4 June 2018 06: 12
            I believe materials science in the space industry is of great importance now and in the future ... there is no end to work here.
            1. +8
              4 June 2018 06: 15
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              I believe materials science in the space industry is of great importance ...

              ECSS !!! good laughing good
              I also have it a hundred times "ku" Yes
              1. +2
                4 June 2018 09: 17
                The news is interesting, but
                The fact is that at the moment it is impossible to accurately measure the temperature parameters of the material at a value above 4200 K.

                I can’t dispute, but it’s very strange, taking into account new measuring instruments (resistance thermometers), thermal imagers, etc. it kinda shouldn't be a problem.
                1. +4
                  4 June 2018 14: 17
                  There is no scale support on the samples. Is it clear now?
                  Only that which is comparable with the standards is reliable. The rest has a certain percentage of confidence, i.e. theoretical value.
                  1. 0
                    4 June 2018 14: 28
                    Why try to apply a direct view of measurement? Here it’s clear to the hedgehog that this is not possible. By indirect measurements, temperature data are easily measured, only the absolute error will be larger than usual (10-30 K). After all, it was somehow measured the temperature of the Sun, albeit with a large error.) And is that understandable?))
                    1. +2
                      4 June 2018 15: 18
                      Quote: maxim947
                      But why try to apply the direct type of measurement ?,,, The temperature of the Sun, after all, was somehow measured, albeit with a large error.) And is it clear?))

                      This is the "theoretical meaning." Apache dispute?
                      And yes, the temperature of the Sun is calculated by an indirect assessment of the conditions, as well as the temperature of the mantle and core of the Earth. There were no direct instrumental measurements.
                      1. 0
                        4 June 2018 15: 41
                        This is the "theoretical meaning." Apache dispute?

                        This is the value obtained by calculation.
                        The temperature of the Sun is measured by the solar spectrum, this is an option. I propose to summarize: it is possible to measure the temperature at 4400K, just the DFU does not have enough equipment))
                        1. 0
                          5 June 2018 14: 01
                          Quote: maxim947
                          I propose to summarize: it is possible to measure a temperature of 4400K,

                          yes, it’s just not known what exactly we measured.
                          By measuring the spectrum, we measure the frequency. Again, regarding the standards for a specific medium. Change media - you need a different scale, based on other standards. And yet, what will the spectrum measurement of an unexplored carrier give us? It will not give anything. What we can? - build a series of assumptions. But we cannot say anything about the actual state (temperature) - for such a temperature of a solid has never been reached.
            2. +3
              4 June 2018 06: 27
              Any direction in modern science is important for us. Moreover, we have lagged behind in many respects ..
              Quote: The same Lech
              I believe materials science in the space industry is of great importance now and in the future ... there is no end to work here.
              1. MPN
                +7
                4 June 2018 09: 14
                Quote: 210ox
                Any direction in modern science is important to us. Moreover, we have lagged behind in many respects.
                Do not tell me ..., the MiG-25 has not yet caught up with the breakthrough in this technology .. Well, it’s hard to take seriously the nonsense of a “pseudo-learned journalist” ...
                the material has a melting point of approximately By 200 above.
                And how much Celsius? laughing
                1. +4
                  4 June 2018 10: 13
                  And how much Celsius?
                  4199726 С * plus 200 thousand degrees, the melting point of the new alloy will be approximately four million four hundred thousand degrees.
                  1. MPN
                    +6
                    4 June 2018 10: 35
                    so then only the authors pinned ... but you made me
                    Quote: 72jora72
                    4199726 C * plus 200 thousand degrees

                    take a deeper interest in this question ... Serious temperature ...
                    1. +1
                      4 June 2018 14: 20
                      4200K = 4200 degrees Kelvin = (4200-273) degrees Celsius.
                      The problem is degrees Celsius, just like the Celsius temperature scale loses its physical meaning.
                  2. SVD
                    +4
                    4 June 2018 12: 21
                    quote = 72jora72] [quote] And how much Celsius? [/ quote] 4199726 С * plus 200 thousand degrees, the melting point of the new alloy will be about four million four hundred thousand degrees. [/ quote]
                    Where does this calculation come from? 4200-273 = 3927С + 200 = 4127 * С
                    1. +2
                      4 June 2018 13: 47
                      200K is equal to - 73grad S. That is, it will be at 73 hail C LESS!
                      1. MPN
                        +5
                        5 June 2018 16: 38
                        -273 Celsius absolute zero temperature -273 degrees
                      2. 0
                        8 June 2018 11: 54
                        Quote: vadim dok
                        200K is equal to - 73grad S. That is, it will be at 73 hail C LESS!

                        M-dyayaya. Forgive me, but you, Comrade Major of the Reserve, could not sit at your desk for a while.

                        On 200, Kelvin is higher and the "200 temperature is Kelvin," feel the difference, as they say ...

                        For example: you have 100 dollars, and they gave you 200 rubles. And you say 200 rubles is the 3,5 dollar, which means the dollar has decreased on the 3,5 because the dollar is less than the ruble. Awesome logic ...

                        x + 200 K does not equal x - 73 degrees C)))
          2. +1
            4 June 2018 10: 04
            So, we must put our energy into the creation of opaque force fields, painted in different colors!
          3. +3
            4 June 2018 15: 47
            Retrograde you! Ancient mammoths! In the future (albeit very distant ...) spaceships will not be needed! fellow Reasonable humanity will be able to send its consciousness to the Universe in the form of an electromagnetic “clot” (impulse! tongue (In any case, I read about this from a science fiction writer ... feel )
            1. MPN
              +7
              4 June 2018 16: 43
              Another science fiction man could conjure food, but not to eat, tasty, but not satisfying ... laughing And with sex as a bunch of momentum of matter? you get drunk, but you don’t end ... laughing feel
              1. +2
                5 June 2018 02: 47
                Quote: MPN
                Another science fiction man could conjure food, but not eat enough, tasty, but not satisfying ...

                It seems that I read "your fantast" .... I recall a similar "status" with food ...
                However, what kind of fantasy is this? Is not enough such a food "district" now? wink
                1. MPN
                  +6
                  5 June 2018 08: 25
                  Quote: Nikolaevich I
                  However, what kind of fantasy is this? Is not enough such a food "district" now?

                  I probably agree ... what And science fiction Sergey Lukyanenko ... wink
        2. dSK
          +2
          4 June 2018 07: 03
          Quote: 210ox
          Any direction in modern science is important to us.
          "Tests of the first reusable returnable space rocket scheduled in Russia in 2022, told RIA Novosti the head of the project team of the Advanced Research Foundation (FPI) Boris Satovsky. It is planned to launch rockets from mobile systems. When designing the system, the technological basis of the reusable Baikal accelerator project was used. (RIA News 03:39 04/06/18)
          1. +1
            4 June 2018 08: 13
            About Baikal, conversations went back in the 90s ..
            Quote from dsk
            Quote: 210ox
            Any direction in modern science is important to us.
            "Tests of the first reusable returnable space rocket scheduled in Russia in 2022, told RIA Novosti the head of the project team of the Advanced Research Foundation (FPI) Boris Satovsky. It is planned to launch rockets from mobile systems. When designing the system, the technological basis of the reusable Baikal accelerator project was used. (RIA News 03:39 04/06/18)
        3. +3
          4 June 2018 10: 36
          There must be this "vard" eminent academician of the intergalactic university, gazing from the heights of his vast knowledge and rich experience on our mournful minds and intuition of scientists))).
      2. +2
        4 June 2018 06: 07
        This rule is valid for plasma, and we simply know very little about other forms of matter and fields! And the material obtained, provided that it protects well from radiation, can become the basis of the hull, or at least cover the hull of future spaceships and orbital stations!
        1. +1
          4 June 2018 08: 07
          Welcome hi
          In particular, the latest synthesized material has a melting point of about 200 K higher. In this case, scientists, according to RIA Novosti, note the following: this is the predicted melting point. The fact is that at the moment it is impossible to accurately measure the temperature parameters of the material at a value above 4200 K

          I would not want to look like a pissimist, but it seems that all the same, the article is about theoreticaldevelopments in materials science, because there is no way to confirm or deny ...
          Studying the processes taking place in our sun can give answers to many questions (higher temperature values) and naturally many colleagues are inclined to think of ,, power ,, magnetic fields ....
          And the message in the article is more like ,, duck ,, I remind you that in the scientific world there is no concept of ,, faith ,, wink
          1. +3
            4 June 2018 12: 14
            Quote: himRa
            Welcome hi
            In particular, the latest synthesized material has a melting point of about 200 K higher. In this case, scientists, according to RIA Novosti, note the following: this is the predicted melting point. The fact is that at the moment it is impossible to accurately measure the temperature parameters of the material at a value above 4200 K

            I would not want to look like a pissimist, but it seems that all the same, the article is about theoreticaldevelopments in materials science, because there is no way to confirm or deny ...
            Studying the processes taking place in our sun can give answers to many questions (higher temperature values) and naturally many colleagues are inclined to think of ,, power ,, magnetic fields ....
            And the message in the article is more like ,, duck ,, I remind you that in the scientific world there is no concept of ,, faith ,, wink

            The world's most refractory material was obtained at the Far Eastern Federal University by synthesizing hafnium nitride and powdered carbide. Those. in the reactor, not on the computer laughing
      3. +1
        4 June 2018 06: 11
        The magnetic field does not cope with this task .. And the others are from the EVE community .. unfortunately ..
      4. Maz
        +1
        4 June 2018 06: 22
        Yeah, from there in the Far East, were they joking? But how the Americans will rise, China, Japanese, Koreans .... Jewslaughing
      5. +7
        4 June 2018 06: 23
        Quote: Vard
        The dead-end path ... Rather, the creation of force fields excluding the contact of a high-temperature environment with the walls ...

        And how are you doing at the front of creating power isolating fields on the surface of an object? And I’ll tell you, materials with such a prohibitive melting point are needed more for external cladding, but for power plants, engines, high-temperature furnaces, etc. In order to put such material on the casing, it must be very cheap in production and mass, which has not yet been observed for such materials.
        1. 0
          4 June 2018 12: 01
          it must be very cheap in production and mass, which for the same materials has not yet been observed. ,,
          that's the question. invented it was not even half the battle, but much less. and you try to introduce it into an industrial scale. I'm afraid to be buried, like so much more.
      6. +1
        4 June 2018 07: 10
        If we are talking about fusion, then essno, there are no options at all, but so far the problem is stabilization of the confining fields, because the plasma itself randomly generates fields.
      7. +3
        4 June 2018 09: 28
        did fiction begin? Force fields, subspace, hyper jumps, blasters .. etc. etc.
        1. +1
          4 June 2018 09: 49
          About thirty years ago, a cell phone was fantastic ...
      8. +7
        4 June 2018 09: 53
        And what are these fields? The gravitational, electromagnetic, weak and nuclear interactions and the fields corresponding to them are known. What do you suggest? Or - just to blur?
        Further. For the broadest prospects, refractoriness alone is not enough. Say, the same tungsten-hafnium carbide with a melting point of 3900 C is very easily oxidized (it simply burns), and has a density greater than lead. Probably, the new material is made on the basis of all the same refractory metals and carbon: tantalum, tungsten, hafnium, etc. All these materials are extremely hard, brittle and can not be processed by casting or cutting. The prospects of these materials in aircraft engines are doubtful: why is the melting point under 4000 C in an engine in which it cannot be typed when burning fuel and 2500 degrees? Finally, ordinary carbon in the form of graphite or carbon fibers has a higher melting point than the new "miracle"; it is cheap and extremely light. And it is widely used in the space and nuclear industries. So it seems that, as usual, the journalists made a noise from scratch.
        And about the mythical fields - re-read school textbooks and do not get carried away excessively by Hollywood: it has a bad effect on the brain.
        1. +1
          4 June 2018 10: 03
          You may have heard somewhere ... Quark interaction ... A very promising direction ... True, they do not write about it in school textbooks ...
        2. +2
          4 June 2018 11: 12
          Quote: astepanov
          And what are these fields? Known gravitational, ...
          ...
          And about the mythical fields - re-read school textbooks and do not get carried away excessively by Hollywood: it has a bad effect on the brain.

          The gravitational field is unknown. Zero knowledge and zero learning progress. It was not worth mentioning it.
          Quote: astepanov
          The prospects of these materials in aircraft engines are doubtful: why is the melting point under 4000 C in an engine in which it cannot be typed when burning fuel and 2500 degrees?

          You confuse cause and effect. It is the limitation on the strength of materials at high temperatures that limits this temperature in the combustion chamber. And raising the temperature is easy, you just need to increase the pressure.
          Quote: astepanov
          Finally, ordinary carbon in the form of graphite or carbon fibers has a higher melting point than the new "miracle"; it is cheap and extremely light.

          You are confusing graphites and carbides.
          1. +1
            4 June 2018 14: 18
            Quote: Genry
            The gravitational field is unknown. Zero knowledge and zero learning progress. It was not worth mentioning it.

            Stand under the ledge, on which lies a brick tied to a rope, and pull the rope. A brick falling on your head will convince you that a gravitational field exists.
            Quote: Genry
            And raising the temperature is easy, you just need to increase the pressure.

            Give a link to the corresponding thermodynamic equation. Without it - an empty chatter.
            Quote: Genry
            You are confusing graphites and carbides.
            Will you teach a chemist with experience of four decades? We are talking about refractory materials, and not specifically about graphite or carbides. The most refractory of the known substances is graphite (melting point more than 4100 K)
        3. +2
          4 June 2018 12: 21
          Quote: astepanov
          And what are these fields? The gravitational, electromagnetic, weak and nuclear interactions and the fields corresponding to them are known. What do you suggest? Or - just to blur?
          Further. For the broadest prospects, refractoriness alone is not enough. Say, the same tungsten-hafnium carbide with a melting point of 3900 C is very easily oxidized (it simply burns), and has a density greater than lead. Probably, the new material is made on the basis of all the same refractory metals and carbon: tantalum, tungsten, hafnium, etc. All these materials are extremely hard, brittle and can not be processed by casting or cutting. The prospects of these materials in aircraft engines are doubtful: why is the melting point under 4000 C in an engine in which it cannot be typed when burning fuel and 2500 degrees? Finally, ordinary carbon in the form of graphite or carbon fibers has a higher melting point than the new "miracle"; it is cheap and extremely light. And it is widely used in the space and nuclear industries. So it seems that, as usual, the journalists made a noise from scratch.
          And about the mythical fields - re-read school textbooks and do not get carried away excessively by Hollywood: it has a bad effect on the brain.

          The world's most refractory material was obtained at the Far Eastern Federal University by synthesizing hafnium nitride and powdered carbide.
        4. 0
          4 June 2018 22: 54
          A processing tool is made of these refractory materials, they have high wear resistance, and such materials are powder metallurgy in aircraft engines, and this is material for 3D printing, and now aircraft engine manufacturers are already using this technology to make compressor shafts and blades and aircraft engine turbines.
      9. +1
        4 June 2018 09: 55
        Quote: Vard
        The dead-end path ... Rather, the creation of force fields excluding the contact of a high-temperature environment with the walls ...

        =======
        Ltd!!! And you, excuse me as a material physicist ??
        1. 0
          4 June 2018 10: 04
          No ... just interested in particle physics ...
          1. +1
            4 June 2018 10: 41
            And how will quarks help? This is called - hear the ringing ...
          2. 0
            4 June 2018 23: 11
            Quote: Vard
            No ... just interested in particle physics ...

            =========
            "Strange, but you have hobbies .... Although .... Everyone struggles with boredom in his own way!" (Nick Nichols (nicknamed "Checkered"), R-L. Stevenson "The Adventures of Prince Florizel")
            Signature: Vlad Nikols (nicknamed "venik"), Ph.D. 01-04-07 (solid state physics) hi
      10. +1
        4 June 2018 11: 05
        Scatter)))) you should not use far to the force fields! it's in the movies they are almost everywhere! Yes, and the field is the field, and metal is metal, so these are different things; they are not comparable from one; everything will be erased;
      11. 0
        4 June 2018 11: 05
        Quote: Vard
        The dead-end path ... Rather, the creation of force fields excluding the contact of a high-temperature environment with the walls ...

        And how can this bright idea be applied, for example, to gas generator turbine blades?
        1. +1
          4 June 2018 11: 43
          There are a number of patents ... due to the electromagnetic field, the gas ... which in this case is ionized ... is squeezed from the surface of the blades ... thirty years ago I saw quite a working sample for myself ... It’s just that the temperature and thermal strength parameters of all satisfied ... And research is being done so-so ...
          1. 0
            4 June 2018 23: 14
            Quote: Vard
            ... due to the electromagnetic field, the gas ... which in this case is ionized ... is squeezed from the surface of the blades ...

            ========
            What about the combustion chamber ???? There, too, "gas is squeezed from the surface of the walls by an electromagnetic field ??? Is this at such pressures ????? request
        2. AUL
          +1
          4 June 2018 11: 45
          Wait, now Gridasov will come and explain everything to everyone simply and clearly!
          PS If this is not another journalistic vyser, then the thing is really very promising!
      12. +1
        4 June 2018 12: 07
        Quote: Vard
        Dead end ...

        What a fright? Existing force field generators still need to be created. And in this topic until the horse did not wallow.
        But in the engine industry, for example, especially in the aircraft industry, this material is very relevant, as well as in hyper-speed aircraft, which a priori experience thermal overloads.
        1. +2
          4 June 2018 13: 40
          There are ways to get around the problem ... if the kettle boils ... then the temperature will not be higher than a hundred degrees until the water boils away ... roughly speaking, cooling of rocket nozzles is now built on this principle ...
          1. 0
            4 June 2018 13: 47
            Quote: Vard
            There are ways to get around the problem ... if the kettle boils ... then the temperature will not be higher than a hundred degrees until the water boils away ... roughly speaking, cooling of rocket nozzles is now built on this principle ...

            Why reinvent the wheel? Material science in itself, especially in military subjects, can hardly be overestimated. Say the same blades for aircraft engines created from this material will increase the engine life .... again, as I said earlier, in the subject of hyperspeed aircraft this is a very urgent topic. After all, the GDP announced the heating temperature of the Vanguard complex, about 2000 degrees.
            At the same time, who forbids working in parallel with this on a force field generator, if such a technical base exists, is it the same as the modern technical level?
            The use of such materials can be found in many developments in the military-industrial complex, and this is a fact.
        2. 0
          4 June 2018 23: 16
          Quote: NEXUS
          But in the engine industry, for example, especially in the aircraft industry, this material is very relevant, as well as in hyper-speed aircraft, which a priori experience thermal overloads.

          ========
          And what can we say about pulse-detonation engines ????
          1. +1
            4 June 2018 23: 19
            Quote: venik
            And what can we say about pulse-detonation engines ????

            The topic is promising and certainly necessary ... but why can’t you move in several directions then? Or do you think detonation engines are the only right way that excludes other approaches?
      13. 0
        4 June 2018 14: 00
        Quote: Vard
        Dead end ... Rather, the creation of force fields

        For force fields, a force field generator is required.
        So that it does not melt, it will need to be made of a force field, for which, in turn, it needs its own generator of a force field.
        And so that it does not melt, it will also need to be made from a force field ... wassat
    2. +4
      4 June 2018 06: 03
      Far Eastern scientists
      There is something to be proud of!
    3. +1
      4 June 2018 06: 09
      Now the most important thing is that with less information about this material “leave”! Though in some ways, you need to become leaders, especially since such alloys are the basis for future settlements on other planets.
      1. +1
        4 June 2018 06: 26
        Precisely, only hint to the Chinese, they will float so much throughout the country, the experience in metallurgy is enormous. winked
        1. +4
          4 June 2018 06: 38
          Bad, bad metallurgy ... Did you mean that?
          1. +1
            4 June 2018 06: 49
            EXACTLY ! Each courtyard has its own blast furnace.
            1. 0
              4 June 2018 09: 32
              So we even catch up ... In the courtyards of the blast furnaces tongue т
              1. 0
                4 June 2018 09: 58
                We have no experience, they have - "Great Leap Forward" - 57 - 60 years
          2. 0
            4 June 2018 11: 07
            Quote: tracer
            Bad, bad metallurgy ... Did you mean that?

            The Chinese metallurgy is so bad that a few years ago they smelted 650 million tons of pig iron per year. And everyone used it somewhere.
      2. 0
        4 June 2018 10: 44
        Yes, settlements on other planets are cool. You look for a planet where the temperature is under four thousand degrees, and immediately ski there. Say inside Jupiter. There, even the guys from the collection agency get the horseradish.
      3. 0
        4 June 2018 11: 07
        here it’s rather not a matter of materials but of a manufacturing method
    4. 0
      4 June 2018 06: 52
      You can always add a spoonful of tar in a barrel of honey. Firstly, how difficult is the method of producing the alloy, is there a technology for its mass production, and not a few grams. Secondly, its cost and manufacturability. Thirdly, its strength characteristics?
      1. AUL
        0
        4 June 2018 11: 49
        Well, it is said that the method of extreme synthesis. Naturally, it is, at best, about grams. And the price is naturally exorbitant! But aluminum was once more expensive than gold!
    5. +1
      4 June 2018 07: 01
      This is a major breakthrough ... If this material also remains strong and resistant to oxidation at high temperatures ... Then ... Wow! Prospects are opening ... And then tantalum-hafnium carbide, except for refractoriness, did not differ much ...
      1. 0
        4 June 2018 11: 10
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        This is a major breakthrough ... If this material also remains strong and resistant to oxidation at high temperatures ... Then ... Wow! Prospects are opening ... And then tantalum-hafnium carbide, except for refractoriness, did not differ much ...

        No one has promised strength and resistance to oxidation at high temperatures. It seems that this will be another breakthrough. And, it is possible that with other material.
    6. +3
      4 June 2018 07: 31
      Another confirmation that materials science is one of the most important and promising areas. And the good news is that in this discipline we are far from last. I also draw the attention of those who have children only approaching the choice of their future, to pay attention to this direction. Very promising, even more promising managerial and financial bacchanalia bully
      1. 0
        4 June 2018 11: 18
        Quote: vadimtt
        Another confirmation that materials science is one of the most important and promising areas. And the good news is that in this discipline we are far from last. I also draw the attention of those who have children only approaching the choice of their future, to pay attention to this direction. Very promising, even more promising managerial and financial bacchanalia bully

        Material science, as a science, is one thing. And the production of specific materials for specific needs is another. For space or defense, can do. And for example, for the car industry, they’ll think ten times.
        AvtoVAZ from the seventies and to our time buys some grades of steel exclusively for import. Ours either do not pull in quality or are not competitive in price.
    7. +1
      4 June 2018 08: 08
      Again, these scientists came up with something. FANO is not finalizing, not everything in science has destroyed.
    8. +1
      4 June 2018 08: 08
      Quote: vadimtt
      Very promising, even more promising managerial and financial bacchanalia

      ---------------------------------------
      There is nothing more promising than accounting idiocy in Russia.
      1. 0
        4 June 2018 09: 24
        This is not Russia such a prospect of idiocy, in Moscow - manifests itself in everything and in accounting.
        It was not necessary to forget why Moscow and Kiev shouted: rule us. And as they themselves forgot and rule, here they get all the land beneath them idiocy. Karma however ...
    9. 0
      4 June 2018 09: 09
      Quote: Vard
      The dead-end path ... Rather, the creation of force fields excluding the contact of a high-temperature environment with the walls ...

      We are talking about such technologies. Polarization of the surfaces of the outflow from the generator or from the distribution of external hydro-gas-dynamic flows of any media is the only correct way for the development of both high-speed aviation and space technologies. You need to understand that we need not just refractory material, but we need technology for the distribution of magnetic forces. When flying at high speeds and in dense media, a temperature difference first occurred, which means a potential difference, which means very strong electric currents arise. And these currents are multivector in various details according to the ionization vectors of the flow surfaces.
      1. 0
        4 June 2018 10: 46
        Gridasov in his style: mnogobukav niachem.
        1. 0
          4 June 2018 12: 35
          Quote: astepanov
          Gridasov in his style: mnogobukav niachem.

          Anyone can offend the artist .. laughing
      2. 0
        4 June 2018 12: 31
        Quote: gridasov
        Quote: Vard
        The dead-end path ... Rather, the creation of force fields excluding the contact of a high-temperature environment with the walls ...

        We are talking about such technologies. Polarization of the surfaces of the outflow from the generator or from the distribution of external hydro-gas-dynamic flows of any media is the only correct way for the development of both high-speed aviation and space technologies. You need to understand that we need not just refractory material, but we need technology for the distribution of magnetic forces. When flying at high speeds and in dense media, a temperature difference first occurred, which means a potential difference, which means very strong electric currents arise. And these currents are multivector in various details according to the ionization vectors of the flow surfaces.

        There is no prophet in his own country laughing
    10. 0
      4 June 2018 09: 18
      Everything will be materials without contact, and even on the false ego of the walls of the ships in strength, at least travel across the Sun. One has only to remember the forgotten, read the vimanika sastra and go.
      The main thing is not to show the young, otherwise they will believe and create one, it will not be clever for the old fart. hi
    11. +2
      4 June 2018 09: 52
      In the future, the latest connection has a wide range of applications: ... space production, ... research spacecraft cases

      And I racked my brains, why 150 billion rubles were squeezed from Roscosmos?
      It turns out to not even dream of a "wide range of applications" ....
      Yes, and business partner oligarchs need to be saved from sanctions.
      What space is there ... am
    12. +2
      4 June 2018 10: 58
      4200 Kelvin = 3926,85 Celsius.
      4400 Kelvin = 4126,85 Celsius.
      The possibility of the existence of such material theoretically (computer simulation) was predicted about three years ago. But the fact is that today there is no such stove in which this material will melt.
      Tantalum-hafnium carbide is a material (despite its refractoriness) relatively not expensive - 400-500 green per kilogram, but world consumption is very small, because there is nothing really to do with it, except for laboratory experiments.
      Everything else - "the creation of advanced armaments and research spacecraft corps" is nothing more than an artistic whistle on a given topic.
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      4 June 2018 11: 07
      Quote: 72jora72
      And how much Celsius?
      4199726 С * plus 200 thousand degrees, the melting point of the new alloy will be approximately four million four hundred thousand degrees.

      Are you sure that 4200K and correspondingly 200K it 4200 000 + 200 000 degrees Celsius ????.
      Something tells me that you safely smoked a physics textbook at school. Designation К does not mean prefix kiloas you wrote, and the number of degrees in degrees KELVIN. A digital value is never spelled the way you wrote it. That is, if in your opinion К means KILOthen the digit will be written or 4 200 000, or 4,2 x 10 ^ 6, i.e. 10 to the sixth power.
      In fact, if you believe this information, the melting point is 200 degrees Kelvin higher than we can measure. And 4200 K in degrees Celsius will be 3926,15, and a temperature of 4400 degrees Kelvin will be 4126,15 degrees Celsius ....
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        4 June 2018 11: 17
        Investing common sense in writing is not their thing. They are preoccupied with thoughts, just a little bit more and they will put the Russian flag in the sun, wipe their nose off the Americans
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        4 June 2018 12: 39
        Quote: Old26
        Quote: 72jora72
        And how much Celsius?
        4199726 С * plus 200 thousand degrees, the melting point of the new alloy will be approximately four million four hundred thousand degrees.

        Are you sure that 4200K and correspondingly 200K it 4200 000 + 200 000 degrees Celsius ????.
        Something tells me that you safely smoked a physics textbook at school. Designation К does not mean prefix kiloas you wrote, and the number of degrees in degrees KELVIN. A digital value is never spelled the way you wrote it. That is, if in your opinion К means KILOthen the digit will be written or 4 200 000, or 4,2 x 10 ^ 6, i.e. 10 to the sixth power.
        In fact, if you believe this information, the melting point is 200 degrees Kelvin higher than we can measure. And 4200 K in degrees Celsius will be 3926,15, and a temperature of 4400 degrees Kelvin will be 4126,15 degrees Celsius ....

        People around you may not notice the gap between you laughing
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      4 June 2018 11: 13
      cool ... but the combination with other materials, the price of production and its volumes in this matter play a more key role than the performance characteristics in the form of the limiting temperature ... it seems to me
    15. +3
      4 June 2018 11: 20
      Powder metallurgy based on high-temperature synthesis is now perhaps the most important branch of materials science and it pleases that our country has been at the forefront in it since the 60s. Well, the most heat-resistant and heat-resistant materials, hundreds of scientists of the world are fighting over it, this is the key to the mass of unsolved technical problems. It is worth adding that for phases of variable composition such as tantalum, hafnium or tantalum-hafnium carbides, the melting temperature can go up to 150 ° C from the ratio of elements, so that any of these three carbides can (most correctly say — could) be the most refractory, by the way 4200 They did not record ° C, a maximum of about 4150 ° C.
      I believe our scientists worked with the same sources, maybe they were able to physically obtain hafnium carbonitride (Hf-CN), in 2015 it was theoretically proved that the melting temperature for this structure reaches 4400 ° С. There are a lot of promising areas of application - from engine nozzles to skins of returned vehicles, now hypersound is the main thing for us.
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        4 June 2018 12: 02
        That's for sure! First of all, defense, and only then flights to Mars ...
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      4 June 2018 13: 50
      Our scientists: -And we caught the neutrinos!
      Americans: -Where?
      ours, unclenching a hand: -Here!
      Americans: -Well, flew to us!
      KVN, 80s, team, call me, I do not remember.
    17. +1
      4 June 2018 15: 58
      That created such material, I believe. Only one question, and in what material did you melt it? After all, there must be something in which it can be melted.
      It seems that the inventor came to Rutherford with the invention of a solvent that dissolves everything in the world. Then Rutherford asked, what will you keep it in?
      Well, it’s understandable that in the military industry there are such parts that operate at temperatures above their melting points, for example, titanium turbine blades in an airplane engine, but they created an original cooling system that many more in this world cannot understand, but , here is the material ... what did you melt it in, gentlemen?
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        4 June 2018 16: 05
        Quote: ilik54
        what did you melt it, gentlemen?

        And what it was cast into ... granite not to offer laughing
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          4 June 2018 22: 56
          He was cast in a chill mold.
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            4 June 2018 23: 07
            Quote: Vadim237
            He was cast in a chill mold

            Vadim, you, as always, are inimitable.
            A chill mold is just a mold.
            What are you going to do? Despite the fact that the problem is that there is no material to build a furnace for melting this one, excuse me?
            Cool you love
      2. 0
        4 June 2018 23: 14
        It will be melted in such a furnace
    18. 0
      4 June 2018 22: 55
      Materials of the International Scientific and Technical Conference "Progressive Engineering and Engineering Technology". Sevastopol, 1995
      Belarusians publish a number of reports on the characteristics and properties of carbide materials obtained by SHS synthesis. For several consecutive years, direct deliveries of developed materials to the USA were carried out, then one of the developers moved there for permanent residence and after a couple of years, deliveries ceased. Well, and so - the topic is fully working, if you know where, with whom and how much.
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      7 June 2018 00: 32
      well)
      I think the Chinese will also appear soon too))) wassat

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