C-400: a crushing blow to US hegemony

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In the lower house of the US Congress, it was asserted that the prospect of acquiring C-400 air defense systems by Turkey, India and especially Saudi Arabia is a direct threat to US interests in the world.





Recall that one of the most important outcomes of the meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz al-Saud may be a contract for the supply of Triumph C-400 anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM). Reports of this have appeared in both Russian and Arab media.

As we can see, Washington is making unprecedented efforts to thwart the Russian-Turkish deal (which has already taken a distinct shape), which clearly go beyond the usual opposition to Russian competitors in the arms market. The pressure on Ankara has reached such a level that the top leadership of Turkey has publicly expressed doubts about the friendliness of the United States and their loyalty to allied obligations.

It is clear that the Americans and their military-industrial complex are accustomed to consider, according to O. Henry, “personal insult every dollar in a foreign pocket.” But in this case the question is not only about the loss of potential profit.

An important aspect of global American domination is the guarantee of security, which Washington provides to its allies and vassals in exchange for loyalty and the fulfillment of all American requirements, including participation in military adventures directed against third countries.

Of particular importance is that the Americans promise to protect their satellites from threats of any level. Whoever they come from. After all, participation in US military programs against someone, including the deployment of American military bases on its territory, turns this country into a potential target for Washington’s opponents. But while there is confidence that the Americans will knock down all enemy missiles and planes and grind tank enemy wedges. Poland is even ready to pay the Americans to deploy a military base on its territory.

Of course, American diplomats and intelligence officers brilliantly mastered the art of helping foreign leaders to make "the right decisions", including with the help of commonplace bribes. But at the same time, the public in these countries must still believe that the American presence is a security, and not a threat.



Today, as you know, one of the most important components of defense is air defense systems. And accordingly, American anti-aircraft missile systems are expected to be able to intercept any enemy missiles.

Information about the newest Russian systems, voiced by Vladimir Putin in the message to the Federal Assembly, seriously shaken this confidence not only among American allies, but also in the States themselves.

The efforts of Western propaganda aimed at “neutralizing” the information effect from the announcement of new Russian developments caused a somewhat unexpected and undesirable effect for the United States.

In particular, in the ensuing discussion, they began to recall that the events of the Iraq war showed that the Patriot air defense system did not at all provide impenetrable protection even against such an outdated missile as Scud-B.



Materials appeared in the media that refute or question the bravura reports about the tremendous successes of the complex against the Iraqi "SCADs".

Thus, MIT professor Theodor Postol, a US-recognized anti-missile defense expert, analyzed data on the Iraq war, concluded that in reality, the percentage of intercepted Patriot missiles did not exceed 10 percent. Rossiyskaya Gazeta reports that the Postol study was confirmed by data obtained, inter alia, from the employees of the contractor responsible for the production of Patriot.

C-400: a crushing blow to US hegemony


However, the American complex has even more recent failures. For example, several times the Patriot air defense system, which is in service with the army of Saudi Arabia, failed to intercept the extremely primitive ballistic missiles launched by Ye-Hussite rebels. In particular, at the end of 2017, one such rocket, the purpose of which was the international airport of the Saudi capital, King Khalid, exploded near the terminal, causing panic among passengers. Data obtained from satellites confirmed that the rocket was not intercepted.



The fact that the victims were avoided is not due to the success of the air defenses, but to the extreme imperfection of the rebel missiles and the error in the calculations of the rocket men.

Western media reported that all missiles successfully intercepted. However, the fact that after these attacks, Riyadh decided to buy C-400, despite the irritation of Washington, says that the Patriot is not able to cope even with rebel missiles.

Thus, the fact of the ineffectiveness of American air defense becomes obvious to everyone, and the myth of the ability of Americans to defend themselves and protect their allies from the missiles of those whom they have appointed as their enemies is destroyed.

Washington is making a titanic effort to maintain the illusion of its invulnerability, but its argument about the inadmissibility of the Allies acquiring Triumph, as it “violates interoperability with weapons systems of the USA and other countries, ”does not stand up to criticism.

And even if the United States succeeds in disrupting the deals mentioned, sooner or later the countries that Washington draws into its military adventures will realize that it is not in a position to protect them from the retaliatory steps of those against whom he forced to be friends.
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  1. +13
    5 June 2018 05: 40
    Let them win themselves up, let the partners gain insight. Sanctions to everyone, this is cool.
    And these complexes have not yet been used, and the hype, like demand, from the declared characteristics, is great.
    1. +8
      5 June 2018 07: 06
      Quote: Not bad
      may insight come

      In general, the last decade, this is the time when the last gloss flies from international relations. Everyone can see that "World Politics" is just a gangster bazaar. (special thanks to Trump, but not only him)
      1. +4
        5 June 2018 08: 01
        In general, the last decade, this is the time when the last gloss flies from international relations. Everyone can see that "World Politics" is just a gangster bazaar. (special thanks to Trump, but not only him)


        Yes, and the United States will not succeed in bombing partners with impunity, and they are furious, I will suggest that the East, along with the Saudis, is slowly sailing along with oil from the control of the SGA and the dollar in particular.
        1. +1
          5 June 2018 08: 10
          Quote: krops777
          that the East, together with the Saudis, is slowly sailing along with oil from the control of the SGA and the dollar in particular.

          It is believed that the whole world is floating away. And it is also clear that the United States (or more correctly the SGA), so simply they won’t put up with it. And ahead of us are several dozen “warfare”, of varying intensity, up to the Fatal
    2. +10
      5 June 2018 08: 20
      And that the Americans do not think to buy our C-400 directly with all the "circulation"? Well, to no one got. Our hucksters would hardly refuse such an offer. belay
      1. +3
        5 June 2018 22: 34
        Well, in that case, they would close their production of air defense and provide our all with R&D. so it would not be hucksters - but pros

        here, usually on the website everyone is confused in places in their conclusions, those who like to drill on the huckster and the construction of a nuclear power plant in Turkey, for example. Or about the theft of Serdyukov - in general, there are an infinite number of such topics in which everything seems to look unambiguously from the sofa

        These are all harmful and eternal thoughts about theft and huckster. Read better about the new production, otherwise you’ll pull all yellow into your head .. and then act as a relay to the topic and not the topic.

        We wanted the best, but it turned out as always

        I read how the army is being demolished for a very long time already on this site. And about Russia since the beginning of the 2000s, I’m reading that they’ll sell it to the end. Some kind of Babchenko at the exit

      2. 0
        9 June 2018 10: 09
        the labels would be re-glued, the price would be multiplied by two and you’d see if it would go))) stupid)))
    3. +1
      5 June 2018 12: 35
      Quote: Not bad
      Let them win themselves up, let the partners gain insight. Sanctions to everyone, this is cool.
      And these complexes have not yet been used, and the hype, like demand, from the declared characteristics, is great.

      Soon the fairy tale affects, but not soon the thing is done. This is just about our sales to "potential buyers" from Turkey and Saudi Arabia. The author probably does not know this, but others should know something.
      The Hindus are another matter - they are too picky and "picky", so the negotiations on selling them the 400th hundredth may last for years and it’s not a fact that this will happen, because recently they want technical documentation to be sold to them along with the sale of highly intelligent systems on the production of these systems in India. So, simply put, the United States and Russia may break off with the sale of air defense systems for India.
  2. +8
    5 June 2018 06: 21
    Yes, all these tricks around our S-400 are an ordinary bazaar and blackmail: You won’t sell Patriot and F-35, we will buy from Russia!
    1. +4
      5 June 2018 21: 49
      Volodya hi
      Absolutely right. Ordinary blackmail.
      Excellent father of Lukashenko owns this tool. Just recall how he bought cotton in Central Asia from Uzbeks and Kyrgyz at the same time, dropping all prices laughing And they say, the East is a delicate matter.
      That is what the years spent by the collective farm chairman mean. good RESPECT!
      1. +2
        6 June 2018 01: 54
        Quote: Rich
        East is a delicate matter

        Dima hi Ordinary oriental bazaar!
  3. 0
    5 June 2018 06: 37
    ... US interests in the world ...
    And in the world, what, there are no other countries with interests ???
  4. +3
    5 June 2018 06: 38
    US policy is clear. But the Saudis, who also seemed to want to purchase our complexes, suddenly threatened Qatar with a war if he bought the same complexes from Russia. How shoud I understand this? Resistance from the United States will certainly be serious.
  5. +6
    5 June 2018 06: 44
    Come on, no one will buy anything. The so-called "purchase" of the S-400 is used by the so-called "buyers" to press on the United States for certain preferences and to "attract" Russia to its "projects" ... "Buyers" are trying to avoid any contradictions between Russia and USA, find your political and economic benefits in other matters ...
    1. +2
      5 June 2018 07: 21
      As far as I remember, the same Greeks bought our hovercraft and Soviet air defense weapons, and C300, and there was no fuss around it. Apparently the American military industrial complex is very short of money.
      1. +2
        5 June 2018 08: 26
        Bought .... then there was a time of flirting with Russia, she was allowed "little things" in exchange for the expected concessions in terms of surrendering the allies, the complete abandonment of their interests outside their borders and the expected complete liberal restructuring of public administration and the internal structure of the country. On the one hand, on the other hand, the USA and NATO needed samples of Russian weapons to familiarize themselves with their characteristics in order to develop countermeasures ... Now, the second reason remains ... but the first (“concessions”) already seems difficult to achieve .. So the decision was made: on the one hand, it is hard to crush the competitor Russia, reducing the possibility of selling its weapons and thereby causing stagnation of its arms industry without an influx of currency, and on the other, aggressively promoting its interests in the arms market ...
      2. 0
        5 June 2018 11: 36
        Just these Greeks were not interested in anyone. Not that region.
  6. +8
    5 June 2018 08: 27
    That’s why I love Uryak .... It’s for sequences like “Ukraine will never be given weapons”, “they will promise, but they will not give”, “they will give, but the old”, “they will give, but not that”, “they will give, but not enough” and so on, but how did you guess about purchases from us so immediately “they’ll definitely buy”, “promised, then they’ll buy”, “think about buying”, “hope to buy”, “they wanted, but we changed our minds ...”
  7. +7
    5 June 2018 08: 29
    In fact, the sale of C-400 to Turkey is the same as the complete zeroing of the ground defense of the Russian Federation.
    Just because exactly one day after delivery, the complex will be in the United States. They will disassemble it to the screw, they will study everything, develop ways to deal with it - and that’s all.
    One must be finished alternatively gifted in order to sell such weapons to a NATO member. With the Saudis, by the way, the same
    1. +2
      5 June 2018 08: 41
      How can you say that? winked Now they’ll run into it ... it’s clear “who” and they’ll tell you that it’s all such a short run to get “buyers” on the Russian “needle”, get “hard currency”, “load capacities”, etc.
    2. +1
      5 June 2018 10: 49
      Let's hope that the exported complexes and radars will be greatly simplified, and missiles, and, most importantly, the control point. And so, you are right, the Americans and NATO will be able to well study the work of the complex and work out measures to overcome and destroy it. The only hope is that our engineers are already working on more advanced systems and that they can finish their development with a lot of money received from export.
    3. 0
      5 June 2018 12: 07
      Firstly, this is an export option without some key chips, and secondly, it’s not so simple, it takes time, several years before mass production. There is also the option of conscious misinformation on our part, when our army complexes have other schemes. Third, while the enemy takes action, we will move on. You need to understand this, there is no definite answer.
    4. +3
      5 June 2018 12: 32
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      In fact, the sale of C-400 to Turkey is the same as the complete zeroing of the ground defense of the Russian Federation.

      Andrew, welcome! Well, I wouldn’t talk about a full “nulling”, I hope they will install it without state recognition systems and without management equipment and data exchange of the division-regiment link, but this will certainly harm our defenses. However, two S-400 already sailed to China.
    5. +1
      5 June 2018 13: 20
      The most interesting, namely: long-range missiles and a high-altitude radar will be delivered in the "E" version, with a slightly different elemental base and a changed composition of the rocket fuel. If we compare the Greek S-300 and ours of the same time, the difference in combat efficiency is approximately 25%.
      1. 0
        5 June 2018 14: 26
        Quote: Hammer 75
        If we compare the Greek C-300 and ours of the same time, the difference in combat capability is approximately 25%.

        Excuse me, what specific modification do you mean?
        1. +1
          5 June 2018 14: 36
          PM-1 is natural, but it can be compared down to PMU-3, the difference in TTX is not fatal.
          1. +1
            6 June 2018 02: 15
            Quote: Hammer 75
            PM-1 is natural, but it can be compared down to PMU-3, the difference in TTX is not fatal.

            C-300 PMU-3 - sold to someone, or do you mean C-400? what
            I’m wondering by what objective criteria (probability of hitting, start-up range, etc.) do you judge 25% decrease in efficiency on C-300PMU-1 compared to C-300PM? hi
            1. +1
              6 June 2018 08: 42
              I’ll answer once. Since 1989, all modifications of the S-300 (in the USSR or the Russian Federation) differed from each other in range and content of the elemental base, which affected the range of destruction and the number of targets followed, and at the same time fired. Therefore, even in the USSR there was a program for retraining from one modification to another. 25% of the efficiency is taken from the lack of 30H6E radar, the Greeks had it without the headlamps, and accordingly the number of targets fired was 1,5 times less, they were also not given 48 missiles, which first appeared on PMU1, and a low altitude 76 detector. If we compare what the Greeks and we have now, this is a huge abyss, but at the same time it would not be very. Therefore, ours weren’t particularly soared when NATO practiced tactics at these complexes.
              1. 0
                6 June 2018 09: 06
                Quote: Hammer 75
                I will answer once.

                Thank you; you are so polite!
                Quote: Hammer 75
                5% efficiency is taken from the lack of 30H6E radar, the Greeks had no HEADLIGHT and, accordingly, the number of targets fired at 1,5 times smaller, they also did not have a missile 48

                Those. You want to say that the Greeks only 55?
                Quote: Hammer 75
                If we compare the fact that now the Greeks and we have a huge abyss, and at that time, as if not very. Therefore, our own and not steamed when NATO on these complexes practiced tactics.

                I would not be so categorical, you probably know how much C-300PM was built for your own armed forces? And how does this number compare with the number of C-300PS?
                1. 0
                  6 June 2018 16: 56
                  [/ I]
                  Those. You want to say that the Greeks only 55? What 55-explain. [I]

                  I would not be so categorical, you probably know how much they built the S-300PM for their own armed forces? And how does this amount correlate with the number of S-300PS? -Even if I had this information, why would you need it?
                  1. +1
                    7 June 2018 02: 05
                    Quote: Hammer 75
                    Those. You want to say that the Greeks only 55? What is 55 Explain

                    5B55PM
                    Quote: Hammer 75
                    And how does this number compare with the number of C-300PS?

                    And so that the C-300PM built about 10 times smaller.
                    Quote: Hammer 75
                    Even if I had this information, why would you need it?

                    Is it a secret? And it seems to me that you are a bit arrogant.
                    1. 0
                      7 June 2018 08: 34
                      Of course a secret, and with top priority. The NATO, with all their companions, still cannot understand how many divisions and where they are located. Moreover, the firing components of the batteries do not allow one to recognize the modification of the divisions, and the change of frequencies and the ability to “mow” under earlier versions are generally confusing. And leave arrogance to yourself. About PS, it doesn’t matter at all, they remained only in Ukraine and Kazakhstan, in my opinion. About Greeks all infa is in the public domain do not be lazy to read.
                      1. +1
                        7 June 2018 11: 26
                        Quote: Hammer 75
                        Of course the secret, with the highest priority. NATO members, with all their companions, still can not understand how many divisions and where is located.

                        Here you forgive err. Do you want me to find you any the permanent position of the C-300 ZRS in our country? All of them are known, as well as a specific modification of the system. Forgive in which century you live?
                        Quote: Hammer 75
                        And arrogance leave yourself.

                        Thank you, but I do not need it. I do not communicate with interlocutors "through the lip". No. For example, I was not lazy, I went to your profile.
                        Quote: Hammer 75
                        About PS in general is not important, they remained only in Ukraine and in Kazakhstan, in my opinion.

                        How much are you willing to bet that this is not so? Up to this point, I had a feeling that you are really in the subject. request
  8. +7
    5 June 2018 09: 17
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    In fact, the sale of C-400 to Turkey is the same as the complete zeroing of the ground defense of the Russian Federation.
    Just because exactly one day after delivery, the complex will be in the United States. They will disassemble it to the screw, they will study everything, develop ways to deal with it - and that’s all.
    One must be finished alternatively gifted in order to sell such weapons to a NATO member. With the Saudis, by the way, the same


    Now Lexus and the company will tell you that this is an export version, truncated 3 times and that the Turks and Saudis are blind, that they don’t see this, they only have the name s-400, and inside they can even fill them with pumpkins :)
  9. 0
    5 June 2018 11: 14
    A lot of fun ....
  10. +2
    5 June 2018 11: 59
    What is the direct threat? In the event that their patriots can be remotely forced to “not see” the tomahawks in the case of “introducing democracy”. And with Triumph, they cannot do this. They are imprisoned for the destruction of all flying means used to "spread democracy around the world."
  11. +4
    5 June 2018 12: 00
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    In fact, the sale of C-400 to Turkey is the same as the complete zeroing of the ground defense of the Russian Federation.
    Just because exactly one day after delivery, the complex will be in the United States. They will disassemble it to the screw, they will study everything, develop ways to deal with it - and that’s all.
    One must be finished alternatively gifted in order to sell such weapons to a NATO member. With the Saudis, by the way, the same

    Even under Yeltsin, the Russian Federation sold the S-300 to the USA, and so what? The chief designer himself said at the same time that the Americans will figure out how it works in 20 years, and then if the Chinese help. And so it turns out (judging by the fact that the USA still has no analogues). And the company received "live" money for development from 400, etc.
    1. +2
      5 June 2018 12: 28
      Quote: vvvjak
      Even under Yeltsin, the Russian Federation sold С-300 USA and what?

      And the fact that the American pilots are still actively training on the radar elements of the Russian ZRS C-300P and C-300В, practicing methods of breaking through our air defense system. But of course nothing, or do you seriously think that Americans bought them for copying?
      1. +3
        5 June 2018 12: 59
        Well, it's just like in the joke "Comrade Warrant Officer, you can watch TV. Come on in, look just don't turn it on." Or do you think that NATO reconnaissance aircraft just like that fly around the Russian Federation every day and do not notice the signatures of the Russian air defense operations at point blank range. Only now the elemental base of the radar elements of the Russian Federation does not stand still, but is constantly evolving. As far as I know, already from 300 we worked in the multi-frequency, pulse mode of detecting and tracking targets using special algorithms for changing the frequency and pulse of the signal. These work algorithms are the most secret place of the air defense system. This, of course, I explained somewhat primitively.
        1. +2
          5 June 2018 13: 07
          Quote: vvvjak
          Of course, I explained this somewhat primitively.

          Very grateful to you, opened my eyes! But about the reconnaissance aircraft of electronic reconnaissance, where and how abroad our air defense systems are used, I am surely a little better informed than you. hi
          By the way, it has always been very interesting to me, why those who shout about the failures of the Patriot PAC-1 in 1991 did not compare it with the peer of the C-300PS SAM? And it is silent about how much we have built C-300В?
          1. +3
            5 June 2018 14: 21
            It is not very correct to compare the unsuccessful use of PAC-1 in 1991 with any S-300, because the latter did not participate in the hostilities. But we can recall that the PAC-3 of Saudi Arabia with the 5th anti-missile failed to shoot down a Yemeni rebel rocket flying along a simple ballistic trajectory in 2018.
            1. 0
              5 June 2018 14: 31
              Quote: vvvjak
              To compare the unsuccessful use of the PAC-1 in the 1991 year with any C-300 is somehow not very correct. the latter did not participate in hostilities.

              I agree, but what kind of anti-missile capabilities do the 5B55P missiles of our most popular S-CNUMXPT-300 and C-1PS?
              Quote: vvvjak
              But we can recall that the Saudi Arabian 3 X-PUMP-5 th missiles were not able to shoot down a missile of Yemeni rebels flying along a simple ballistic trajectory in the 2018 year.

              Excuse me, please remind me how many Saudis have RAS-3 ?
              1. +2
                5 June 2018 16: 28
                What are you getting at? What is the point of comparing the "Wikipedia" TTX missiles S -300 and "Patriot". Type measured by organs without unbuttoning fly? Or want to demonstrate your encyclopedic knowledge in this matter (I personally do not doubt them much). About the number of pieces of PAC-3 in the air defense of the SA I have no idea. But if you subtly hint that they are not there at all, then I can refer to the article by analyst James Lewis “SAM Patriot - made in America, but does not work anywhere”: “The Hussites fired in Riyadh and other cities of Saudi Arabia 7. Such missiles. The Saudis initially stated that they shot down all seven, but focused on the story of one that flew to the capital. Allegedly, it took as many as 7 Patriot PAK-3 missiles to be shot down - a completely wild expense. But it is well known that previously, the Saudis also fired 10-16 anti-aircraft missiles each with a ballistic missile. And they managed to miss them all. Excuse - an automated modern air defense system in the hands of untrained and lazy calculation does not work normally. "
                1. +1
                  6 June 2018 02: 32
                  Quote: vvvjak
                  What are you driving at? What is the point to compare the "Wikipedia" TTX ZUR C -300 and "Patriot".

                  I think you start to rally? And what does Wikipedia have to do with it?
                  Quote: vvvjak
                  About the number of pieces of the PAC-3 in air defense CA, I have no idea. But if you subtly hint that they are not there at all, then I can refer to the article by analyst James Lewis “Patriot” SAM - made in America, but does not work anywhere ”:“ Hussites released in Riyadh and other cities of Saudi Arabia 7 such missiles.

                  Sources like The Military Balance and SIPRI are still more reputable than James Andrew Lewis, with all due respect to him. Also, if you carefully re-read original the articles to which you refer, the output will be somewhat different, although the author’s some engagement is traced.
                  In 2014, I was preparing a review of the Air Force and Air Defense of Saudi Arabia, and I was very surprised when you wrote about the PAC-3. The Saudis exploit the PAC-2, negotiations on the supply of the PAC-3 have been conducted, but there is no reliable information about this. I would be very grateful if you could share a reliable source. hi
                  1. +1
                    6 June 2018 08: 47
                    "In 2015, the Ministry of Defense of Saudi Arabia signed a contract with Lockheed Martin for the purchase of 320 Patriot PAK-3 anti-aircraft missile systems (air defense systems). Under the agreement approved by the US government in July 2015, which is being evaluated of $ 5,4 billion, they plan to supply a total of 600 missiles for the PAK-3 Patriot air defense system and related kits for their subsequent modernization. " http://politinform.su/armiya-i-konflikty/69627-im
                    port-vooruzheniya-i-military-tehniki-stranami-pers
                    idskogo-zaliva-2017.html. Reliable or not reliable source, judge for yourself. I briefly reviewed your review from 2014, in principle it’s well written, but I don’t quite agree (as was clear from the above) with the opinion that the sale of the S-300 USA is an act of high treason. I believe that at that time the sale to the “adversaries” of the complex was much more correct than the closure (count the irretrievable loss) of the entire enterprise (even the industry) with the dismissal of qualified personnel on the street. Moreover, Americans could easily buy S-300 in Ukraine. Suffice it to recall that in those days, many defense enterprises survived by exporting weapons to other countries. And the same "Shell" arose in general thanks to the finances of the Arab sheikhs.
                    1. 0
                      6 June 2018 09: 11
                      Quote: vvvjak
                      In 2015, the Ministry of Defense of Saudi Arabia signed a contract with Lockheed-Mar-ting company for the purchase of 320 missiles for anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) "Patriot" PAK-3. As part of the agreement approved by the US government in July 2015, which is estimated at 5,4 billion dollars, they are expected to supply a total of 600 missiles for the Patriot air defense system PAK-3 and the corresponding kits for their subsequent modernization.

                      Thank you, it somehow passed me by. Another question is whether this contract is implemented? In the serious directories I did not come across information about the presence in the Saudi kingdom of the PAC-3.
                      Quote: vvvjak
                      I believe that at that period of time the sale of the complex’s “supporters” to the complex is much more correct than the closure (count as an irretrievable loss) of the entire enterprise (even the industry) with the dismissal of qualified personnel on the street.

                      And what did Almaz-Antey benefit from this delivery? Who does not go great money from the sale of used elements of the ZRS? It was a betrayal of the purest water.
                      1. +1
                        6 June 2018 09: 36
                        Quote: Bongo
                        And what did Almaz-Antey benefit from this delivery? Who does not go great money from the sale of used elements of the ZRS? It was a betrayal of the purest water.

                        "Almaz-Antey" still produces SAMs, not pans (according to the conversion program), it retains its design and production potential. The Uralvagonzavod T-90 was delivered to India, and not to the RF Armed Forces, this is also a betrayal. "Yakhonty", SU-30, etc. It is interesting in what place now would be the whole "defense industry" of the Russian Federation if you remove all these "betrayals". And millions of the unemployed of the defense industry, the engineers and technicians (with their own secrets) who emigrated to the USA and Europe, this means correctly, this is not a betrayal of pure water.
  12. +3
    5 June 2018 12: 08
    However, the fact that after these shellings, Riyadh decided to buy the C-400, despite Washington's irritation, suggests that the Patriot is unable to cope even with the rebel missiles.
    Interestingly, C-300, C-400 were used somewhere or is everything clear without practice?
    1. +5
      5 June 2018 12: 25
      Quote: alta
      However, the fact that after these shellings, Riyadh decided to buy the C-400, despite Washington's irritation, suggests that the Patriot is unable to cope even with the rebel missiles.
      Interestingly, C-300, C-400 were used somewhere or is everything clear without practice?

      But the Jews do not want something for the Syrians to test in practice the effectiveness of these air defense systems.
      1. +1
        5 June 2018 23: 26
        The Israeli defense minister made it clear that he is not against C-300 in Syria, but if C-300 is used against Israeli aircraft, the installation will be destroyed.
        It is not in Russia's interests, apparently, to supply C-300 to Syria.
        1. +2
          6 June 2018 12: 34
          Quote: alta
          The Israeli defense minister made it clear that he is not against C-300 in Syria, but if C-300 is used against Israeli aircraft, the installation will be destroyed.
          It is not in Russia's interests, apparently, to supply C-300 to Syria.

          What does it mean if they are used against Israeli aircraft? Will and will certainly be against Israeli aircraft.
  13. +1
    5 June 2018 20: 25
    Actually, the Patriots are not so good in a real battle, as military marketers from the United States say, in fact it was clear even when Israel began to develop its own anti-aircraft defense, not relying on American developments.

    Israel, really in a situation of possible shelling, could not afford to rely on the bravura statements of the American military-industrial complex.
    1. +2
      6 June 2018 01: 35
      But all the developments are conducted from the USA, and here is a paradoxical situation, the systems which Israel, such as the Iron Dome and Hets-2,3, have already proved their characteristics in reality, so why take a jerk and use it for your own benefit, but no, they open up new the program and went drank dough. Or maybe everything is simple, the United States is still sure that nothing will fly to them across the ocean, naive fools.
      1. 0
        6 June 2018 10: 03
        It's just that the American military-industrial complex and the lobby associated with it in Congress are very fond of money;)
  14. +1
    6 June 2018 09: 43
    vvvjak,
    Quote: vvvjak
    "Almaz-Antey" still produces SAMs, not pans (according to the conversion program), it retains its design and production potential. The Uralvagonzavod T-90 was delivered to India, and not to the RF Armed Forces, this is also a betrayal. "Yakhonty", SU-30, etc. It is interesting in what place now would be the whole "defense industry" of the Russian Federation if you remove all these "betrayals". And millions of the unemployed of the defense industry, the engineers and technicians (with their own secrets) who emigrated to the USA and Europe, this means correctly, this is not a betrayal of pure water.

    I do not want to argue with you. Probably you from the brotherly republic know better what is happening and happening in Russia.
    1. +2
      6 June 2018 09: 57
      Quote: Bongo
      I do not want to argue with you. Probably you from the brotherly republic know better what is happening and happening in Russia.

      Come on, let’s no offense. Slightly stretched my brain (in order to combat Alzheimer), but I will continue to work for the benefit of the "developed" capitalism of a single republic in the center of Europe wink
      PS I will try not to skip the cycles of your articles in the future
      1. 0
        6 June 2018 10: 05
        Quote: vvvjak
        Come on, let's no offense.

        Yes, no offense is not. But somehow you exaggerate. I try not to be biased, although it was possible to talk about what took off from Belorussia in the USA in the 90s.
        Quote: vvvjak
        I will try in the future not to miss the cycles of your articles on HE

        Today there was a review about the air defense of SAR. hi
  15. +2
    6 June 2018 10: 51
    The author is finally off topic. Nobody shoots missiles with the S-400, it's like a cannon sparrows. Because the cost of an interceptor missile will be several orders of magnitude more expensive than the cost of a target missile (the same Scud). For this, there are other complexes (Shell, Buk, Tor, in the end Kvadrat, Shilka, Tunguska), but their radius is not large, which is why they cover key objects. The S-400 is, first and foremost, against enemy aircraft, in modern wars who owns airspace, he wins, and the S-400 almost completely eliminates US dominance in the air. Therefore, they are furious, because they are planting their world order with the help of aircraft carriers, they understand that every S-400 complex sold to other countries reduces and limits the US military dominance on the planet, especially when it comes to the Middle East region. Accordingly, it will become harder for them to force other countries to buy debt obligations, which means the death of the dollar.
  16. +1
    6 June 2018 11: 17
    The real combat use of air defense systems will put everything in its place .... even in local conflicts the Patriot’s imperfection is visible ... though the S-400 has also not been used in combat operations (probably), but knowing the capabilities of the S-300 and the declared characteristics of Triumph, I would like to believe the S-400 is currently the best air defense system in the world.
  17. 0
    6 June 2018 12: 03
    Can the S-400 complex withstand fifth-generation F-35 aircraft even without taking into account the stealth.
    The radius of the S-400 is 250-400 km
    The radius of destruction of targets by F-35 aircraft is 500km
    Apparently, for conventional aircraft, the S-400 is dangerous, but not for the F-35, although the S-300, S-400 were not used in practice anywhere.
    1. 0
      6 June 2018 20: 52
      The radius of the S-400 is 250-400 km
      The radius of destruction of targets by F-35 aircraft is 500km

      I think that a lot will be for someone a big and unpleasant surprise, And you write, write, look and guess with the size.
    2. +2
      6 June 2018 22: 07
      Quote: alta
      The radius of destruction of targets by F-35 aircraft is 500km

      It’s interesting and why does he hit them !? Really by the power of thought ???
      Lockheed Martin made a difficult decision to limit the mass of weapons placed in each of the two cargo bays of the SKVVP F-35B, 450 kilograms. To destroy air targets, the fighter can be equipped with an AIM-120 AMRAAM medium-range YP and AIM-9M short-range missiles " Sidewinder "or promising highly maneuverable UR AIM-9X or AIM-132 ASRAAM (British development).
      The armament is located in two onboard cargo compartments located in the lower part of the central section of the fuselage. Cargo compartments are equipped with ejection launchers with. pneumatic drive.
      Typical internal suspension (options A and C) - two AMRAAM missiles and two GBU-31 JDAM KAB 908 kg caliber. An alternative suspension is two AMRAAMa plus eight small caliber (SDB). The internal suspension can also accommodate: KR AGM-154 JSOW (on Air Force planes), KEY "Payway" II caliber 227 kg and GBU-38 and GBU-32 JDAM (227 and 454 kg), British prospective KGB PGB (227 kg) , RBC CBU-103M105 Rocky, ATGM Brimstone, as well as British ASRAAM short-range air combat missiles. On six (for option A) or seven (for B and C) external suspension units (six removable pylons under the wing, one axial under the fuselage), intended for use in low-intensity conflicts, can be placed, for example, up to 24 CAB SDB, as well as other oversized weapons from the following assortment: promising tactical cruise missiles AGM-158 JASSM or SLAM-ER (Navy and KMP), anti-tank missiles of the type "Mayvrik", anti-radar missiles HARM (USA) or ALARM (British Navy), Adjustable bombs of the JDAM and Payway type II and III cal from bromo 227 to 908 kg free falling bomb-caliber 225, 454 and 908 kg, single cluster bombs "Rock" and SD ASRAAM and AIM-9X. In addition, the aircraft can carry up to 4 1612-liter PTBs and MXU-640 / CNU-08 transport containers.
      1. +1
        8 June 2018 00: 25
        Are AIM-9X URs used in internal compartments?
        1. +1
          8 June 2018 00: 45
          Quote: Avior
          Are AIM-9X URs used in internal compartments?

          Sidewinder on F-35 only on the underwing pylons. In the internal compartments - according to 2 AIM-120. Total 6 units.
  18. 0
    6 June 2018 19: 30
    Is there at least one piece of territory on the planet where the United States has not stuck its long nose?
  19. +1
    6 June 2018 20: 46
    Particular attention was drawn to the section where the supposedly striped will fight to the death for ...... Lyakhov. Neighing not childishly. Do they seriously believe that this will happen? Scaffolds and banderlogs of one field are a berry, there is no mind, no, and again no. Maybe they’ll be striped and will fight, but only until the last lyah and bandeloga, and they themselves will look from a high mountain and as soon as they smell fried, they will immediately wash off with the slogan - but it is not beneficial for us, and they can even kill it.
  20. 0
    7 June 2018 14: 30
    Arabs will indulge with the S-400 Indians, and you will not bomb anyone without demand. And how then to "hegemony"?
  21. +1
    7 June 2018 15: 30
    That's paradoxes ?! Here I look at the screen on s-400, I read articles - UUUeeehhhhh .... what pride for the country, but our rulers !!! I look out the window .... well, sadness - the children's town is falling apart, potholes on the asphalt, children running along the grass instead of a lawn in the grass .... people from work walk with faces of stone or irritation .... Probably from pride in s-400 ?!
  22. 0
    9 June 2018 09: 08
    S-400 ... So much has been said about this complex. That's just no one in the business did not see him. The patriot does not just want to be lazy, but he showed what he can, what he cannot. The Israelis built their Iron Dome on its (Patriot) base, which, it seems, is, they say, impenetrable.

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